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[NegusNegustiality]

blaze up deh fiyah -
(Ini didn't forget deh I, Carla)

ones mus know dat Ini's biblical view of creation is a mite different from most, but Ini mus establish how Ini cite genesis from a realistic view to defend Ini position pon oral sex.

Ini view deh forbidden fruit as sexual intercourse, not saying dat sex is inherently evil but it was not necessary because hue-manity was I-rated tuh live forIver.  check Ini reasoning -
Genesis 3:3-7
3: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4: And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
6: And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
7: And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Ini cite dis verse as deh foundation of Ini argument, even though it is one random scripture with many others to counteract it, here goes. "But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die."

hue-man beings sex organs are located in deh midst of deh temple, everyone knows dis.  when speaking of offspring, they are commonly refered to as deh fruit of a man loins.  deh tree can be viewed as deh whole of deh sex organs whether male or woman because biologically dey are deh same jes different locations.  JAH seh Ini are not tuh eat of it meaning Ini as a hue-man being shall not bow down tuh eat of deh sex organs because it is a perversion of deh I-riginal plan.

you seh but why, it feels good and deh marriage bed is undefiled according to paul.  let Ini examine dis a bit further - now Rasta adhere to I-ration laws or simply Mama I-rth's(Earth) law above all else because dis is Jah's direct guidance for all His creations tuh follow for everlasting life.  Jah cannot mek a mistake so H.I.M. mek everything perfect from den til now.  HIM mek deh temple(body) in perfect love and wiseness, so there is nothing dat is a useless part or not I-rated tuh fulfill its I-vine(divine) purpose.  deh temple on a man has 9 I-vine seals orifices or openings.  7 of dese are predominantly inflow ie. deh eyes, nostrils, mouth & ears, with deh last two being deh penis and anus, which of course are predominently outflow except for enimas and such.  upon deh temple everything is in perfect proportion sizewise, like deh fingers conviently fit deh nostrils and deh ears, dat is notta mistake.  sedway deh sex organs were made tuh fit and complement each other perfectly, tuh interact in an infalliable composition dat no one can deny.  Ini noticed from young dat when Ini equipment is fully engaged it is not perfectly straight but slightly curves upward.  dis is to accomodate deh woman's vaginal canal dat also veers upward and does not go straight up.

now about deh matta of deh tongue venturing into deh lower regions of deh temple.  it meks no sense when one checks deh anatomy in its fullness, deh pelvic region is actually deh bottom of deh temple as deh legs are simply appendages.  deh location of deh mouth jes happens tuh be in deh higher regions of deh body and it is triune in nature because Ini eat widit, speak widit and breathe widit if necessary.  a tongue is a tough but delicate organ dat is fined tune tuh tek a lot of daily abuse but one aspect it was not I-rated tuh endure is deh presence of vaginal fluids and semen.  ones would find it absurd for ones tuh partake of urine or mucas on a consistent basis, but babylon tells I it is okay because it feels good.

Ini can look all through out nature and see how many times all other living creatures even engage in sexual activity.  usually it is once or twice a year during deh mating season.  deh creatures dat have deh longest life spans have deh fewest youth, dis is a biological fact.
Ini mus tend to Ini youth, so Ini will continue dis atta later time because Ini did not even deal wid deh second part of deh verse, ie - masturbation and deh effect sex has on deh temple out of deh mouth of Yeshua and paul.

Haile Selassie I-tinually

[JahJahSon]

well i checked the Ital list, and i dont see genital secretions anywhere or any recipes for them so you must be right.  

[Naturallyblessed]

well i checked the Ital list, and i dont see genital secretions anywhere or any recipes for them so you must be right.  

[Speed]

^ Haha...

[EmpressCarla]

Negus, I have to agree with Fiyah. You make some very interesting points, some of which I agree with. But first, let me express where I dissent.

First, since this topic was specifically addressed to me because of my disagreement with you on another thread, let me clarify one thing. I do not hold to the belief that “it feels good, so it is okay.” I never stated that nor did I mean to imply it. Rather, I believe that not everything that feels good TO you is good FOR you. The only thing I meant to say was based on my interpretation of the following scripture:

Hebrews 13:4 – Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

In my own words: in the context of a married man and woman, they have the right to express themselves sexually in whatever way they choose. They have a sacred bond and covenant with each other and with their creator. So between the two of them (and ONLY the two of them—I am not implying that they can do things such as bring other people or animals into their union), but between the two of them, there is no perversion.

Second, while the Bible is certainly open to varying interpretations, I feel your use of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden is a bit of a stretch. The scriptures you cited (in my interpretation) are referring to the fact that God specifically instructed them not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil because if they did, they would lose their innocence. That is the death that is spoken of. So while I see how your interpretation of the scripture fits your purpose here, I find it to be taking liberty. Just my opinion, though.

Now, with regard to whether or not oral sex is ital, perhaps it is not. I don’t know that I have the full definition of what Ital means but from all I have read, I take it to mean that if something is not vital to one’s diet, then it is not ital. Is this accurate? If so, then I have to agree with you. Oral is not ital, because it certainly is not vital to anyone’s diet. Yet this approach to why it is “perverse”, as you say, is again a stretch. Why? Because oral sex is not meant as food. I could get around your ital argument by saying one could use a dental dam or condom, then no fluid transfer occurs. But I think that would take this topic down a ridiculous and unnecessary path, and I would be stretching it.

My point is that just because something is not ital does not mean it automatically is perverse. Perhaps it is simply not your cup of tea. But that doesn’t make it inherently evil.

Respect.

[EmpressCarla]

I am surprised that no one else has responded to this topic! I just KNEW I would be eaten alive. (No pun intended.)

[M-Dub]

Greetings and peace.

I guess I can see the point of "oral is not I-tal", but Carla is right, it's not for food. I fully back up the belief that when a man and woman are wed, they are free to explore that which they wish.

Great points Carla.

One

Jah bless

[Speed]

Ital isn't just about food...

[EmpressCarla]

I am surprised that no one else has responded to this topic! I just KNEW I would be eaten alive. (No pun intended.)

Carla I have to say I disagree with you. I think pun was intended.

Okay, ya got me there. I try to be serious, but sometimes I just can't help myself.  

Now as for the matter of oral. I feel that is the choice between the two people. There are symbolic reasons why a Rastaman would not do such a thing. For it is looked at as being submissive to a woman. One is bowing down to the woman. This is one aspect.

Bowing down? Hmmm... What about the woman? Is it also just as taboo for a woman? (I think one can gauge where my head is, but I really do want to know the answer. Would give me a wee bit more insight into Rasta culture.)

[Speed]

Carla whether you agree or not, women (in the old days) took the 'traditonal' role...

Maybe this will help you overstand a little more...

Of course this doesn't speak for all (as always the way when you generalise)...

[EmpressCarla]

No, sorry, that doesn't help me overstand. I already know women have historically taken on "traditional" roles. Many still do today. I wasn't placing any value judgements on Rasta beliefs, just asking about them is all.

I understand that these are sensitive subjects, but I'm on the outside looking in. And I AM attempting to look in. So it doesn't matter what I currently believe. I am asking about Rasta beliefs, whatever they may be.

[M-Dub]

One cannot say "Rast believe dis" or "Rasta believe dat" for Rasta is many and many are Rasta. Not all Rasta's see the same light of day.

Carla this is not an issue that many Rasta will bring up. Because it is a private thing between two individuals. The general view is that it is a taboo and not to be practiced. It is viewed the same way for both males and females in I perspective. So even on a symbolic level it is seen as one should not bow down to anything but Jah.

Just to clear up, this is your opinion, not the beliefs of all Rasta. Not all Rasta think oral is taboo. As far as, vital. Chatting on this site is not vital to survival, you can live without it. I don't overstand your reasoning with vitality Idren.

One

Jah bless

[EmpressCarla]

One cannot say "Rast believe dis" or "Rasta believe dat" for Rasta is many and many are Rasta. Not all Rasta's see the same light of day.

I hear what you're saying, M-Dub. But every group in society does have a set of core beliefs/ideologies that they adhere to, even if to varying degrees. That is what makes them a group. That's all I'm trying to get at. The general idea, with the understanding that not everyone sees everything exactly the same. Seen?

[M-Dub]

I hear what you're saying, M-Dub. But every group in society does have a set of core beliefs/ideologies that they adhere to, even if to varying degrees. That is what makes them a group. That's all I'm trying to get at. The general idea, with the understanding that not everyone sees everything exactly the same. Seen?

Seen, Carla. I was more addressing those words to Fiyah. Even the guidelines of Rasta are differed upon, like some Rasta believe eating meat is ok, some do not. I have not learned of a Rasta guideline or belief when it comes to oral sex, just the opinions of Rasta's themselves.

One

Jah bless

[I ELIJAH I]

Bless- Certainly a young one such as I self cannot speak for elder rastamen, but I feel I should interject something of vital importance.  Certain secretions produced by the vagina during sexual arrousal are indeed life extending, And one of the best ways to absorb these fluids is through the tongue. This goes back to my view of lesbianism being acceptable as opposed to sodomy, as fellatio I do not in any wise consider Ital.   As far as bowing down to women goes, I think that is percicely what any patriachal society needs. Men bow to women already but are only ashamed of it being seen and discussed publicly. Again I come from a different generation from the founders of the movement so this view could be seen as neo-rasta, yet I belive it is deserving to be voiced.           Jah Rastafari             Elijah