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[prophet777]

First of all sorry but, I do not agree with all that "humbleness" talk. Humbleness ? Well the word itself is a trap if you check out its real meaning. It is contradictory and for I anything that is contradictory is not righteous and therefor, for I, useless. For example (just so you know what I mean) : There is no such thing as half truth. Why ? Because half truth already implies that it is half a lie. So it can never be fully true and neither can it be fully a lie. There is no such thing as half when it comes down to the truth or lies. Anything that is considered as half, when it comes to truth, is useless. Either it is the complete undiluted truth or it is nothing for I.

Anyway back to the meaning of the word "humble". Here is the explanation :

–adjective
1. not proud or arrogant; modest: to be humble although successful.
2. having a feeling of insignificance, inferiority, subservience, etc.
3. low in rank, importance, status, quality, etc.
4. courteously respectful: In my humble opinion you are wrong.
5. low in height, level, etc.; small in size
–verb (used with object)
6. to lower in condition, importance, or dignity; abase.
7. to destroy the independence, power, or will of.
8. to make meek: to humble one's heart.

I have marked the "negativeness" of this word in red and left the rest as it is. There is more negative than positive in that word. Out of 8 explanations only 2 can be considered as satisfying. I do not consider Iself as humble because I man can not consider I self as "low in rank", "low in importance". Neither do I have a feeling of inferiority or significance and all that other crap that that word brings. Rasta tends to use this word a lot but, I wonder if they will still use it so often after checking its explanation. We need to find another word to better define what it is we mean when we try to use that "humble" crap.

Hey oneLox, this is not against you but, I surely am against that "two-tongued" word which I think is being used too loosely.

P7
Posted on: February 25, 2011, 02:48:23 PM

First I want to apologize for not reading this entire thread. I have problems with siting by the computer too long.

I want to share a thought. The origin of rasta is of a combination of Religion and black empowerment no? Why where blacks in a low standing. Sure, initially they where stoolen from africa and it is easy to apply the trait of colour. Butt is is really the trait of color why black people are oppresed? Or is it perhapps class that is the trait we are looking for? Back then The Rich and prosperous where of whit eouropean decent, and the used there wealth and power to exploit thoose in a lesser standing. In this case by stealing blacks from africa and using them as slaves, butt most certenly the poor white people of eourope as well.

That was then and this is now, shouldent we be talking about poor peoples empowerment? opppresed peoples empowerment? Rather colours? This seems moore to the core of the problem for me. I frend told me that Farakahan had once said that theere shouldbe made no destinction betwen poor black and white people, that a poor white person should in all aspects be considered a black person. I dont know if there is any thruth in this or the circumstances around it. Butt if My resoning around this stands true then the isue if whites could be rastas should be abundant. anyone who have a deep belif in jah and a dep belif in empowering the poor and oppresed peoples of the world regardles of colour should definetly be able to call themslef a rastaman?

I myslef am white. I am not a rastaman. But i wish I was a rastaman, butt i am still searching for jah. I just felt i wanted to share this oppinion of mine. Bless.

Of course there are more other things we should be talking about (and we do) but, remember, this was a question asked by someone and what you are reading are just the answers/opinions from those who chose to reply. One thing I would like to mention though : you can not compare the slavery of whites by their own people with the slavery of blacks by whites. Those are two different things. There are BIG, major differences. Do some research.....

Besides all that - why does everyone wanna claim to be be a RASTAMAN ? Just be yourself. Time (and your actions) will tell if you are Rasta or not. So before you try being a Rasta how about trying to be yourself ? Who are you really ? What is your purpose ? What is your aim in life ? What are you here for ? Find that out first. Find your true self first because only then can you become what/who you truly are and not before that. So I would say that there is no such thing as people who are Rasta and do not know it. If you do not know it then you are not it. I would say, first of all, "Man know thyself".

This is not like in school where you are taught that you can become anything you want to be, if you have good notes, only later to find out that it is not so. This is reality. Find your true self within before you label yourself as something you are not. Just I advice.

Another thing you mention is - "Back then The Rich and prosperous where of whit eouropean decent, and the used there wealth and power to exploit thoose in a lesser standing." - which is not completely true my friend. Africa had Kings and Queens with more riches, more wealth than any european monarch. That is another reason they came to Africa - to steal the riches. The only thing that made it possible for them to enslave Africans back then was their use of gunpowder and the lies of the bible. You need to do more research on that in order to get the full story.

P7

[ModernSavage]

As far as trying to find myself. thats the basis of my entire life.  The rest, I tink you get my point, im sure  alot of those wealthy african kings was doing some bad stuff to there own people too, with solidifies in my opinion the fact that it is not a question of colour at all butt a question of class...

And like I said, i am no rasta man, time will tell, where I end up.

[Oskar]

haile i

humble for i is to always be mindful of the most high. it is through him that we are all one in the same position to stay firm in the reverence of the most high haile selassie i

[prophet777]

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As far as trying to find myself. thats the basis of my entire life.  The rest, I tink you get my point, im sure  alot of those wealthy african kings was doing some bad stuff to there own people too, with solidifies in my opinion the fact that it is not a question of colour at all butt a question of class...

And like I said, i am no rasta man, time will tell, where I end up.
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The white people were doing it to their own too but, does that justify slavery ?? Did the "blacks" go and capture them whites and murder them or try to so call "civilize" them for it ?? Stop trying to make it seem harmless by comparing what blacks did to themselves when, at the same time, whites were doing it to their own. That is an excuse to try and make it seem like it was harmless but, it was not !! Look at the differences in it !! It seems I have to put here "RAW!!" for all of you, that still refuse to overstand it, to overstand it !!

Were your people tied up by their feet and hands between two tress that were bent down to snap your body apart whilst your children, women and men were forced to look upon it as a scare from running away from it ?? Were your feet cut off from trying to escape it ?? Were your women raped because they were considered to be nothing ?? Should I really bring up more serious comparisons than this !!?

Were your children/families separated from you ?? Were your people castrated or branded like animals ?? Were you all called "niggers" and treated as such ?? Did people that not belong to your race do that unto you ?? Ever ??

Were your people ever considered to be a..a...a..f**k - commodity (and, excuse me for the vex but !!) !! Like a piece of furniture ?? Like something that is not alive !!??

Slavery between our own was not like the slavery that happened under white people. Not even the Jews can compare their history unto ours !! 6 million jews is no comparison to over 40 million (and even much more!!)  black people !! And what do we have from it !!?? It is not over !! Where is our pay for it !!??

The so called jews (they are not real JEWS anyway) get compensation and what do we get !!?? They even get a land that does not belong to them !! LMAO. Are you all so blind that you can see this or are you all just so ignorant of the facts !!?? Do you all even know who the REAL JEWS are ?? LMAO. And I am talking to those who call or want to be called/be RASTA ?? Are you all really f**king serious about this??

This is like some kinda babylon bad joke/nightmare for I and this ain't no joke !! My people went through this !! Not yours. 6 million white people (that is what jews are - white) get theirs for that very same reason - they are white. What about over 40 million black families that still don't have !?? Is that justice ?? Is that right ?? Is that even GODLY ?? Do you all think (those of you that believe in a god) will accept that when HE comes back ?? LMAO. Do you ??

Well you would not dare try to compare it if you did but, you do - simple.

P7
Posted on: March 02, 2011, 11:08:40 PM@M-Savage

Do not get me wrong - I am not attacking you. I am just trying to open your eyes up to the truth...It is up to you to do your own research.....But, please, stop posting something you do not yet comprehend as being something that is not - in order to make yourself feel good about what is not good. Think about it...


P7
Posted on: March 02, 2011, 11:15:14 PM

haile i

humble for i is to always be mindful of the most high. it is through him that we are all one in the same position to stay firm in the reverence of the most high haile selassie i

Yeah - exactly - for you it may be so but, not for the majority who use that word. And as for HIM well...HIM is not THE BOSS OF ALL BOSSES but just a MESSENGER. "Son of the BOSS".

Do not forget - some sight it like you and some not.

I, myslef, know that the ONE is too pure to manifest in sin (a physical body). It (death = human body) can never hold HIM so how can that be that HE can exist in that seeing that HE is IMMORTAL ??


I FATHER is FATHER of LIFE and not death. There is no need for HIm to manifest in death in order to proove HIMSELF. Jesus is just a babylon myth that was stolen from a real Istory. And if the neagativeness in that word can not show you it - then........

P7

[ModernSavage]

p7 chill down. where the fuck did i say slavery was a good thing? Or that the opppresion of one group has ben moore or less then anothers? I have only talked about the reasons for slavery and proposed that we are all the same based on class and not on colour.Do I call poor black as well as white people sisthren and brethren? I certenly do. do I call rich white people as wel as black people sisthren and brethren? I certenly dont.   Of course there is always exceptins and this is a rough simplification butt im sure you understand what im getting at.

[Oskar]

I have only talked about the reasons for slavery and proposed that we are all the same based on class and not on colour.

and here I&I thought that god was the center of I&I being. you think class is making us the same? and this is after p7 already gave you this

Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment (that first part of this sentence already means that we are allowed to judge): thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour. (Leviticus 19:15)

[Nazarite I]

ModernSavage, you have to overstand what you said wrong there. You spoke of the issue being class and not colour but as P7 noticed and got vexed about, that is missing a whole heap of things. Colour and race has been, and still is, in many ways the mark by which people are graded into those 'classes' in babylon. I and I only need to look at the 'race sciences' of the past and how they classified the white caucasian man as the pinnacle of humanity and all other peoples as lower with the Black Africans as subhumans to know that colour was the main justification behind the atrocity of slavery. The roots of the babylon systems as I and I know them today lie in the assumption that the white caucasian man is the highest form of life and all other forms of life are inferior.

If you want to link it into class then look at the roots of that. True that there are those of all different colours who downpress their own to their own folly but look at the world as it is in this time. You can look at 'class stuggles' in this time and see white downpressing white, black downpressing black, chinese downpressing chinese and all that but when I and I look at the roots of that whole system, I and I see it is grounded in that 'race science' that led to Europe trying to 'civilise' the world through terrible atrocities. The reason that Black Africans are still some of the poorest people in the world? Rooted in that system. The reason that the richest men in the world are all white European men? Rooted in that system. The whole money system that runs the world in this time? Rooted in European colonialism and Empire which is then rooted in that assumption of Europeans being superior while all others are inferior.

You have to overstand that if you don't want to tread on any toes around RastafarI people.

Blessed love.

[ModernSavage]

And here i thougt we where tlaking about a loving god. "one love and all that"

You have to overstand that youre judgment based on racism, sexism and homo hate is reasons that drive people away from god, not towards him.   Theese are the exact remarks that have keept me from delving into rastafara for aloon period of time. And as far as the bible goes, as for instance p7 has said. it is tampered with. And it has to have been from the get go, god did not right the book, man made. And I dont se god as a hatefull and spiteful god.

[Nazarite I]

Don't speak of overstanding when you obviously don't overstand I and I position in this.

I and I don't mix up in racism against any colour or anything, the reason I and I speak of it is because of the reality of the situation and history. All of what I and I say and fight for is concerned with equal rights and justice but those with a babylon mind get that mixed up with racism somehow. I and I only have to look at the world today and the story of the world and how it got to this place to know that something is wrong and has been wrong for a long time. I and I look at the situation and see that Europe has been going round causing all sorts of trouble. What put Europeans at the top of the pecking order in these times is the colonial era when white European empires went and effectively conquered the rest the world, taking the resources and enslaving the people. I and I only have to look at the situation in Africa at the turn of the 20th century to see it. Out of the whole of Africa (and Africa is a big place) only Ethiopia was not under the control of one of the European empires, and Jah knows, Italy had tried and would try again to conquer it. Whole peoples and cultures were wiped out by this around the world. Mass genocide on a scale not equaled by Hitler or Stalin. And the whole time, white Europeans were viewed as superior to all other peoples and reaped the greatest benefits of the resources and labour of the rest of the world's people. What I and I see today is the continuation of that. Direct colonial control replaced with economic control by the  worlds richest nations. Look at the group of the richest nations they call the G8 and you will see mostly old colonial powers in there along with America, Canada and Japan. Of course the wealth of most of these nations is based on the wealth they gained in the colonial era through control of the resources of other nations. And now they use that wealth and the economic systems they have created to keep the rest of the world under control. And all the while now they preach that all people are equal while they build a world that favours them. It's pure hypocrisy. And all the while people are taught of the 'great' achievements of the European empires, how Europe should be proud of what happened back then. Fire burn that!
I and I don't grudge anyone based on colour but the reality of the situation is that benefits seen by people in the 'west' are based  on the subjugation of people poorer and mostly of a different colour than them.
What I and I stand for is not that white people or any other coloured people are evil or should be killed in revenge, but that justice should be done through the return of the world's wealth and territory to it's rightful owners so that people can be equal as Jah intended. The wealth and land of Africa should belong to the Africans, not to multinational corporations based in Britain or America or wherever who owe their ownership of those resources to the colonial systems that preceded them. Same goes for everywhere. Pity the world 'leaders' don't see it and carry on with their slavemaster mentality because the way they are going there is only destruction.

I and I put fire on this misuse of the 'One Love' philosophy that it is simply just unconditional love of all with no justice or equality. One Love means equality and love yes, but I and I know it stands for justice also and any man is welcome to it as long as they stand for equal rights and justice and love. Love without equality and justice is false love and Jah doesn't stand for that.

As for sexism, I and I don't mix up in that either. Wombman is a vessel of creation and equal to any man in the sight of the Most High. Just because I and I don't stand for this modern thing with wombman flashing their bodies all over the place, wearing skimpy clothes doesn't mean I and I are sexist. I and I as Rastamen are the opposite of that. I and I give honour and respect to the wombman with dignity as the Empress as it should be. I and I stand by the natural order of man and wombman coming as one to raise the family, that is not sexism.

As for the homosexual thing, I and I hold the natural order. I and I don't have to look at the scriptures (which are very clear on the matter) to know that homosexual behaviour is a sin. Man and man can't bring life and wombman and wombman can't bring life, only man and wombman as one brings creation of new life. And Jah knows that I and I are clean so I and I don't mix up with sodomy or anything like that. I and I put the fire which is for the purification on all that. Hate does not come into it. I and I do not stand in sin and I and I can be very fiercely critical of sin but do you see I and I going out and hurting or fighting against homosexuals or any other sinner? No.

I know you are not a Rastaman, and you might not like or agree with what I and I are saying here but when you come to I and I asking for knowledge and wisdom, I and I will give nothing but that. It is to you to recognise it. Realise that RastafarI is no hippy thing with free love and frolicking and seeing the positive in everything. It is serious order that stands for the rights of the downpressed with the Roots and goals in African liberation. Any man, no matter the colour who comes to Rastafari has to see that. I will not deny that for those who are not African, it can be difficult to accept. I myself am not a black African. I heritage is British in almost every way, but still I know where the Roots and future of RastafarI lies. I and I are standing primarily for African liberation and through that, the liberation of the world through the dismantling of the babylon system.

Blessed love.

[supereuropa]

And here i thougt we where tlaking about a loving god. "one love and all that"

You have to overstand that youre judgment based on racism, sexism and homo hate is reasons that drive people away from god, not towards him.   Theese are the exact remarks that have keept me from delving into rastafara for aloon period of time. And as far as the bible goes, as for instance p7 has said. it is tampered with. And it has to have been from the get go, god did not right the book, man made. And I dont se god as a hatefull and spiteful god.

You see, the thing I love most about Rastafari is that it's not as strict as the other religions. I believe it's up to you to choose if you should chant down homos or not. You don't have to chant them down to be a Rastafari. Believe what you think is right, the main thing you must have to be Rasta in my vision is one thing, LOVE. Not all Rastas think the same way, but the one thing that holds them all together is LOVE.

[Nazarite I]

Not strict? Religion? What is this?

I and I Livity is a strict Livity. It may differ from Rasta to Rasta but RastafarI is strict order. Look in the scriptures and look to yourself and ask yourself if I and I Livity is really a thing where you can 'believe what you think is right'. I and I know the law of the Most High is right. That which is not keeping with the law of Lord, I and I must leave behind as people separated unto the Most High Jah. I and I put fire on sin and burn it out. I will make no apologies for that.
I will not fight against another Rasta because the I is trodding with the Bobo Shanti or the Nyahbinghi or Twelve Tribes and I am not. Rasta is Rasta and I and I should not squabble among I and Iselves, no division. But what Inites I and I is that common knowledge and mission. I and I know the Most High and I and I know the mission set for I and I.
This talk of 'believe what you want' and 'free love' is exactly what I was putting fire on when I was writing about the misuse of 'One Love'. People look at that and look at what Bob Marley has been presented to the world as since the man passed on and assume RastafarI is some kind of hippy thing. Listen to the man's music. Really listen to it. Don't listen to what people tell you it is about, listen to what Bob is singing and why he is singing it because the man was true warrior for a cause and too many people forget that cause.

And don't come complaining that the fire is too hot. It is for purification.

[ModernSavage]

"like his majesty i come to conquer" - bob marley

I still say you are talking about class struggle. with spirituality mixed in but its still about class. As for one love i agree totaly. But hating homos? sayign that women are leser then man? thars waht the bible say no? god made a women, butt she had a fre wil, butt that did not fit adam so he made anotherone for him from his rib (to serve him)? I can never belive that a loving god would do that, i think its where the tampering comes in. I think the book has ben tampered and misseterpreted to be used as a means of power for chirches and religous leaders so they can condemn what they dont like and uphold waht they do like. i read the bible but it goes slowly, partly becouse of all this negative stuf i read in it.
Posted on: March 08, 2011, 09:18:35 PMas for being strict thats al about who i am, i have ben a strict vegan fpr 15 years i have strugled for what i belive is right for almost as long (granted i have lost my fire due to some personal problems) What attracts me to rastafari is the notion of living a strict life in harmony with the earth. living with the earth, not against it.

[Oskar]

racism is a form of class-ism. it is the specific form of class-ism called racism that is behind the huge displacement of africans in this world. how can you come to rasta and not expect to deal with racism?

the racist agenda is one based in prejudice and has always been one to rebel against god. hitler, one of the most well known racist workers(european), were trying to exterminate the people of god. through racism he divided the people into class.

this is what the rastaman has to deal with on a daily basis. if you don't like it go do the hippy thing

[ModernSavage]

you said it yourself, racism is a form of clasism. hence if we talk clasism we are by deafault also talking about racism.

[supereuropa]

Not strict? Religion? What is this?

I and I Livity is a strict Livity. It may differ from Rasta to Rasta but RastafarI is strict order. Look in the scriptures and look to yourself and ask yourself if I and I Livity is really a thing where you can 'believe what you think is right'. I and I know the law of the Most High is right. That which is not keeping with the law of Lord, I and I must leave behind as people separated unto the Most High Jah. I and I put fire on sin and burn it out. I will make no apologies for that.
I will not fight against another Rasta because the I is trodding with the Bobo Shanti or the Nyahbinghi or Twelve Tribes and I am not. Rasta is Rasta and I and I should not squabble among I and Iselves, no division. But what Inites I and I is that common knowledge and mission. I and I know the Most High and I and I know the mission set for I and I.
This talk of 'believe what you want' and 'free love' is exactly what I was putting fire on when I was writing about the misuse of 'One Love'. People look at that and look at what Bob Marley has been presented to the world as since the man passed on and assume RastafarI is some kind of hippy thing. Listen to the man's music. Really listen to it. Don't listen to what people tell you it is about, listen to what Bob is singing and why he is singing it because the man was true warrior for a cause and too many people forget that cause.

And don't come complaining that the fire is too hot. It is for purification.

That's just the way I see it, in my opinion I don't have to hate gay people to be a Rasta. Like Ziggy Marley said "Love is my religion." That's the most important thing for me in Rasta, love.