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Good rasta Iman interview
« on: August 09, 2007, 03:14:38 PM »

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3JsW3bYj7O8

I liked it because InI related to Imans background.

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Posted on: August 09, 2007, 04:12:39 pm
Ah bless, P.s. for all the Is that I don't agree everything he talks about-
is interesting to debate though.
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Re: Good rasta Iman interview
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2007, 09:49:05 PM »

Yes I !

I-man from the video explains in detail his fondness in Orthodox Christianity which is fine with him.

But i as a man see that everytime when religion is associated with repeatedly rituals, then its dead. The living religion is a state of spontenous Livity... That is a very property of consciousness; and it flows and changes all the time. The only thing which is found of dead thing is a human mind. As long as i an i hang on dreams and the so called aspiration, we lost track with here and now. Obssesion with scriptures too associates with the mind itself. Mind follows the polarities of dualistic extreme; and to it, everything that has the beginning, has an end... what bout the eternity? No no, the mind is useless for true religiousness. Only consciousness Is... Mind is memories and past, also the future projected. Thats why u can see the very man who denies christianity in its popular facet, still believes in same scriptures and get hooked with an idea of descent of 'new Jerusalem'. Thats a dream...

With our minds, we can do a thousand and one things but still hang on within similar fallacies. It is just changing faces. Still not getting deep into the real core of our being. And this will outpicture itself within the words and concept of which we tend to 'explain first'. Well, there maybe unfinished business with the concepts that lingers in our minds as beliefs. Before, facing the naked  truth in all things, I n I better destroy all dogmas and even dropping our most cherished idealisms. lets I n I be fragile behind the truth, so that the roads towards it should be bright and warm in words and acts, and not dead cold with mind stuffs. Dream is a dream, even if delivered in a most poetic coined words, still it is never the actual thing... And when the mind misses it, it projects it.

A fish in the sea is not thirst... There things in life which are not meant to be asked, for I an I already included within the same cosmic body. So people must be wary of philosophical debates as they are all products of the intellect. And ordinary intellect functions as the mind which constantly lives by dreaming in the process we call thinking. Food for thought is another way to discern between cherished ideological bias and and pure functioning conscious awareness, for the latter does not judge no tend to define... it simply watches out. And it watches out everything... And in the process burning all duality of a thinking mind. And this is passing over thru the illusions of ordinary perceiptions.

Tho someone maybe crying out for freedom and truth, the truth is already here and now... It is not to be found in somewhere and sometimes else. If someone knows the right ways to live, even here where we are IS. And this place is ZION; and it has always been. Only minds deceives making people believe a million and one things; and sometimes in their humble quest to 'know' the truth. And mind can deceive too, causing one to believe s/he has found the truth and reality of the thing is nothing but comfortable zone of beliefs.

I an I must live beyond fallacies, by searching the Truth within ourselves. If we go out for books and some places then let it be known; it is the mind. But the truth is beyond mind and so we shoudn't get  lost in words and outer deeds. I an I need transformation and not information. So even if what we share in here looks like information sharing, it wont help us a thing unless it is set to trigger change within I an I. For what is needed is Emancipation and not bondage. Transdence is the way, and EXODUS is the word when I an I get together and see thru the 'Iyes' of the most high, and it is One Love.

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Re: Good rasta Iman interview
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2007, 08:24:38 PM »

has anyone been to Ethiopia?
and what is it like?
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Re: Good rasta Iman interview
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2007, 09:16:18 PM »

Do u mean Ithiopia as a "babylon created" land or Ithiopia as it really is ? This is a serious question. What do u mean as "Ithiopia" is what I want to know before I can answer that question.

Do you all know where this name come from and what it mean ? This is in no way "against" you - just wanna know how u sight it. Peace.

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Re: Good rasta Iman interview
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2007, 12:41:21 AM »

yes Ras
InI mean the real unpolluted Ethiopia the way Jah wanted it to be.
have you been?
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Re: Good rasta Iman interview
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2007, 08:37:56 PM »

I am born and grew up in Ithiopia. But, not that little piece of land called "Ethiopia." I am from South Africa/a part of Ithiopia. The Zulu part.

Why I asked is because the word Ethiopia, that was later changed by those that overstood it into ITHIOPIA, meant all, yes all, of AFRICA.

It is a so-called Greek word that means "the land of the burnt faces," "the land of the people burnt by the sun," "the land of the blacks."

That is the whole of Africa. The name was even given to mainly Egypt and other parts of Africa, by the Greeks, before it became the country we now know it as. More proof that the original Egyptians were indeed Black People i.e., Africans.

Anyway, I think we are going off topic and surely do not want to "spoil" the reason of this thread. One.

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Re: Good rasta Iman interview
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2007, 11:32:24 PM »

Thanks and Glory to Jah in his works
@Prophet.  Thanks and itinual raspect.  I want to also say that Ive been told from reliable "Ethiopian" sources that HIM thought of "Ethiopia" in the original sense that the I perfectly described. HIM visited all the Ithiopian people everywhere.  His idea of repatriation was total upliftment of all Ithiopians.  ALL of them.  And from what I've learned he strongly desired that the repatriation would consist of all Ithiopians bettering themselves, educating themselves and returning to help all "Africa" that had been brutally raped and tortured and downpressed by White Supremicists.   If the I hasnt checked into it, the I might be interested to check into the USA foreign policy when Shashamene was established.   Foreign policy that was put in place out of fear of Black power, which I sight is really simply a call for equity.  This to me is proof that all US politicians that continue to maintain this policy are white supremacists.  A side note, Ethiopians have also told me that there are black greeks in their country.  So greek, to be technical <> “white”.  The "greeks" that searched for wisdom found it, revealed in Kemet by the givers of culture to the original diasporas following Jah commandments.  They sometimes contributed to its progress in Ithiopia as Aristotle bears witness, but through mutual respect.  Yes they were Europeans, but they were OLDER Europeans, sometimes light skinned sometimes black, just depends on how much their particular family line stayed up north away from the greater mother gene pool.  I have also heard from them that in their history books, they noted that those who came down to start slaving, were a people from a later migration into Europa, and when they discovered that the source of the “greek” civilization/culture (that in their envy they robbed and stole) was rooted, alive and well in east Ithiopia, they quickly made sure to only kidnap slaves who were less knowledgeable of this reality of their fellow Ithiopians.  This way they were better able to maintain control and confusion over their captives. 

Some may have slipped through though, a captured Ithiopian slave is recorded having the name “Angela” upon arrival off a slaveship in US public records, perhaps a black greek or non-greek east Ithiopian maybe, or even a west African greek or south African greek, who knows? We don’t know.  It is family istory downpressed.  I don’t have enough information to know who the Ithiopian Angela is.  I pray I will in eternity and a lot more Istory.  I overstand HIM as rightful ruler of all people, and all are brothers and sisters.  I support the restoration of the Solmonod throne, with world primacy, in righteousness, in unity with the Almighty.  I pray that the Almighty will have mercy on we for not receiving the divine knowledge communicated by Haile Selassie I to all nations through their League.  I fear the dread judgement of Jah.

All praise and glory to Jah
Posted on: September 01, 2007, 11:53:56 pm
But i as a man see that everytime when religion is associated with repeatedly rituals, then its dead.
@moses
This gentle I-man is very much alive to my eyes watching the video.

As for our liturgeia and koinonia which you call “dead”: Is it good for a man to kiss the chalice, or to simply treat it like a nameless whore there to be a vehicle for his pleasure? 

If you kiss the chalice you will understand better her humble relationship as the bearer of God, she who is named "Theotokos" Egyptians and Ethiopians (1 nation) make certain we, their children, never forget it!  They were waiting for her when she arrived and they longed to kiss her and embrace her and touch her breast from which Jah accepted milk and nourishment for His human nature!  For they already knew her and were expecting her with her Son their Saviour. 


The Inexhaustible Chalice

You cannot receive the wisdom of Jah without the chalice!  InI saying the I has no ritual?!  None?!  Reflect. It is for the I to know thy[the I]self.  I raspect that, I truly do, and I connect with much of what the I says in posts.  However why do you curse my family to death?  Do you realize that to proclaim our livity, (which you only see as an outsider, not through experience) as “dead” you are putting a big target on our head for precise Babylon execution?  Observe the principle of the target seeking Babylon missile, killing my brothers in Allah, in the holy land and the lands of the first ancient traveling Ethiopian families.  Babylon is looking for excuses to kill.

I am dead, I know.  You are not dead.  You are proof of life and Jah to me Moses for you are the face of Jah to me.

Murder begins with a declaration of death.  Murder obeys the call and acts out the lie of refusing to see the life in another.  One who is *only* I, not InI.  Im begging you not to call my family dead.  My family is not dead, InI livity, orthodox vibration, brings to the world the one very Ras Tafari, a servant of the holy church!

The point this gentle I is making is that Orthodoxy for him = Livity.  I don't detect the practice or promotion of “religion” in this sweet Iman, or in the sweeter and holier little ones blessing him who have now blessed I with sweet vibe of InI ancient family.


I know you may not be trying to say this, but what I’m hearing, which I am cognizant of as I am joined to this Iman as an orthodox brother (we proclaim the same mother and are joined together by the communion of her fleshly bloodline which has become available to us by common agreement and cooperation of our mother the vineyard and Father the vinedresser). 

Im not saying the I has to accept this, I respect everyones right to their own decisions.  So what Im hearing from the I is InI blind and stuck in lower man where the I, moses, is only Iyah because of the rejection of mind (and body)!  But Ini say to the I Moses: we are not afraid to say we no longer separate the higher and the lower!  So we join ourselves in Inity under the Rule of Jah within and without (for He is everywhere at all times and at every hour)! -there to be called upon. 

So accordingly we speak in tongues of man, in unison with angels to express with every aspect of our being, whole(holy) self to call on the name of the Lord and declare His Glory.  The mind that beholds the living Jah is holy.  The eyes that see's the uncreated light is holy.  The mouth that tastes the fountain of immortality is holy.  There is no shame in this, because Jah has declared that His creation is good.  There is not a single thing in us that is left out from our orthodox liturgical communion.  Livity which we received from our ancestral elders and which we treasure and leave as inheritance to our sweet, simple innocent little ones who we love.  This is just a brief glimpse of our livity.  But make no mistake we don’t separate our spirit and body and mind from Jah Rule, which is livity.  We embrace all of our livity, however we struggle to mortify our bodies and reject the mindless machinations of our mind so that our spiritual nature becomes detached from its obsessive, enslaved love for them and can be transformed by direct participation in Uncreated Light.  The mind and body are properly restored, nurtured and loved, never abandoned.

We know about the problem of repetition in vain.  The liturgy is not vanity, it is riddimic.  It is so because livity is riddim.  Rhythm is given by the Almighty in many things and in I-self (such as movement. heartbeat, breath).  So for I it is not the mind itself that must be abandoned, it is mindless passions of the mind which being chaotic and not properly subject to the Spirit, are self destructive and repressive.  The mind is a gift from Jah and it must be properly attended.  There is a lot more to say.  I request that the I not pronounce us dead.  I respect the I decision to avoid orthodoxy if it truly subverts the I, this is for the I to know and not for me to say.  If OSHO teaching is the way, then by all means follow it.  If OSHO ideas are eternal, it does not depend on identifying orthodoxy with death.

The Lord is my light and my salvation, the strength of our lives, give thanks and praises to His Name.
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Re: Good rasta Iman interview
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2007, 07:12:36 AM »

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Re: Good rasta Iman interview
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2007, 07:56:55 PM »

Blessed Love bedrin Nepsis...

Of Ritual...

Everything that man does can be considered to be a ritual; until man lives consciously most of it is basicly unconscious traits.

So the thing is not to be against the whole of rituality, but to drop all that I an I repeat without innate comprehensability of action in a positive way.

Speaking Of OSHO, he as a man said this:

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Question 1
QUESTIONER: YAJNAS OR RITUALS HAVE AN IMPORTANT PLACE IN SPIRITUAL DISCIPLINE, AND THERE ARE MANY FORMS OF YAJNAS OR SACRIFICIAL RITUALS MENTIONED IN THE SCRIPTURES. BUT THE GEETA ATTACHES SPECIAL IMPORTANCE TO JAPA-YAJNA AND JNANA-YAJNA -- THE RITUALS OF CHANTING AND KNOWLEDGE. TALKING ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF JAPA OR CHANTING, YOU MENTIONED AJAPA OR WORDLESS CHANTING. SO PLEASE EXPLAIN TO US THE SIGNIFICANCE OF JAPA-YAJNA, JNANA-YAJNA AND AJAPA AS ENVISIONED BY THE GEETA.

Rituals have an important place in human life; what we call life is ninety percent ritual. human mind is such that it takes recourse to many seemingly unnecessary activities so that the harshness of life's journey is mitigated.

In the course of man's long history thousands of such rituals -- I would like to call them plays -- have been developed. If they are taken playfully they add juice to life, they become occasions for celebration. And if we take them too seriously they become pathological, an aberration.

It was a D-day in the whole life of the human race when fire was discovered for the first time. It is the greatest discovery ever made throughout man's history. We do not know the name of the person who first discovered fire; whoever he was, he made the greatest revolution in man's life. Since then man has discovered many other things. There has been a galaxy of great names like Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler, Einstein, Max Planck -- but none of them teaches the height of that unknown person who first
discovered fire.

Even the splitting of the atom and landing on the moon are not that important.
Now the same fire is such a common and ordinary thing in our day-to-day life -- we have captured it in a tiny matchstick -- that we cannot comprehend its pristine glory; but it was not so ordinary in the distant past. We are indebted to fire for most of the growth and progress our civilization and culture have achieved down the ages. Human civilization today is essentially the product of fire. None of the great inventions of history would have been possible without this igniting spark called fire. Fire is foundational to everything in our life.

Evidently when it was first discovered, we celebrated the occasion by dancing around it in utter ecstasy. This celebration, now turned into a ritual, was so natural and spontaneous -- as if it had exploded on us from nowhere. There was no other way to ex press our gratefulness to existence except by dancing and celebrating. And we said fire was God, because it occupied such a central place in man's life.

Every religion in ancient times grew around fire or the sun. The night was frightening it was full of darkness and danger and man was terribly afraid of wild animals and snakes and reptiles. And the day was comforting, full of light and warmth. One could look around and take care of himself against any danger. So darkness looked inimical and the sun seemed friendly.

With darkness there was danger and death. With light there was hope; fear disappeared and everything was relatively safe. So human beings worshipped the sun as God. When fire was discovered, it heralded man's victory over darkness, and so he began to love fire more than anything -- including the sun. Naturally many beautiful things like song and dance, love and festivity grew around fire.

You know when Yuri Gagarin returned from his voyage into space -- he was the first man to enter outer space -- the whole world joined to celebrate the event. Overnight Gagarin became world renowned; his name reached the farthest corners of the earth. Hundreds of thousands of newborn babies all over the world were named after him. It takes a lifetime to attain to the fame which this first astronaut achieved in no time, because he orbited the earth. It was a great event, an epochal event. Wherever Gagarin went, people went mad to receive him; wherever he went, millions thronged to see him. Hundreds of people lost their lives in stampedes caused by his visit. Why this madness?

The advent of the new fills man's heart with delight and joy, and he always celebrates the occasion with great fanfare. As we celebrate the birth of a child with song, music and feasting, so we welcome everything new and rejoice over it. That is how it should be. It will be a sad day when we cease to rejoice over the new; it will mean the death of all that is meaningful and vital in our life.

I say all this to explain to you how yajna came into being and how it became so significant in our life. Yajna was our way of celebrating the discovery of fire; we danced around it with abandon and offered to it every good thing we had.

Our ancestors who initiated these sacrificial rituals did not have much to give. They had wheat and they made an offering of it to the fire. They had somras, the best wine of their times, and they offered it to the fire. They sacrificed even their best cows to greet this god who had come to transform their life so radically. And everything was so impromptu and spontaneous. It was an outpouring of a simple, innocent and unsophisticated heart-mind that our people had then. They were a rural people -- cities had yet to come into being -- who lacked sophistication.

By the time of Krishna and the GEETA civilization had made great strides -- thanks to fire. And so fire became a household thing, the extraordinary be came ordinary. Now it seemed meaningless to dance around fire and make sacrificial offerings to it. In the meantime thousands of people had opposed it. Fire was no longer taken as the greatest blessing that it was when it was first discovered. So Krishna grafted a new word onto the old stem of yajna and called it jnan-yajna or the ritual of knowledge. A new word, jnan or knowledge was added to the old word, yajna or ritual.

Vinoba Bhave is now doing the same thing, he has started a bhoodan yajna, popularly known as the Land-gift Movement. The ancient word yajna has been yoked to a socio-political concept known as bhoodan or land-gift.

The society in which Krishna was born was a highly developed and sophisticated society. Now dancing around fire looked so primitive and backward. So Krishna thought of igniting the fire of knowledge, which is the last luxury of a society that comes to the pinnacle of material prosperity. But he used an old word, because a word to be a word has to be old. Krishna said, "If we want to dance we will dance around the fire of knowledge. If we have to offer something to the sacrificial fire we will offer our. selves in place of grains and wines and cows."

Jnan-yajna or sacrificial ritual of knowledge stands for a special spiritual path, and every traveler on this path burns his ego, his "I-ness" in the fire of the knowledge of reality. Ordinary fire burns everything that is gross, but it cannot burn subtler elements like thoughts of arrogance, pride and ego. Only the fire of knowing can destroy it.

It is interesting to know that down the centuries the symbol of fire remains alive. And it is not without reason.

The most important reason was that in the life of the primitive man there was nothing like fire which by its nature moved upward.

Water moves downward: pour it anywhere and it will find a downward path to flow. But no matter what you do, the flame will always rise upward. Even if you turn a burning torch upside down, its flames will keep going up. So fire became the symbol of ascension -- upward journey; its flame reflects man's highest aspiration to reach the unknown.

Fire was the first thing in the knowledge of man that rebelled against the law of gravitation. The earth seems to have no power over fire. So those who danced around fire and rejoiced over its blessings also nursed a hope and prayer that a day might come in their life when they would go on the upward journey to the highest, the ultimate in existence.


Posted on: September 04, 2007, 08:54:55 pm

Like water, human mind as we know it is inclined to move downward. There is some similarity between man's mind and water. Pour a container full of water on the hilltop and it will soon find its way down to the lowest lake in the valley. Such is man's mind. Therefore the seers who first exalted the fire and danced around it in joyous homage declared their aspiration to become like fire and ascend to the heavens. Their prayer said, "We want to turn our spirit into a flame so that even if it is put in an abyss it will continue to move upward and reach the zenith." So the ritual of the sacrificial fire was symbolic and significant.

There is another attribute of fire which is still deeper and more meaningful; it is that first it burns its fuel and then burns itself.

As soon as the fuel turns into ashes the fire is extinguished. This aspect of fire is deeply representative of knowledge, which first burns the dross of ignorance and then burns itself. It means to say that after one's ignorance is dispelled, the ego, the knower himself disappears. The UPANISHAD says, "While the ignorant wander in darkness the knowledgeable wander in blinding darkness." For sure, this has been said to ridicule the pundits and scholars who subsist on borrowed knowledge. One who attains to true knowledge, what is called wisdom, disappears as an ego, and so there is no way for him to wander in darkness. True knowledge first destroys ignorance and then it destroys the knower too, who ceases to be an ego, an entity. It is like fire, that after burning the fuel extinguishes itself.

So those who came to know the truth realized that knowledge is like fire. It burns ignorance like fuel, and then burns the knower as an ego, who disappears into emptiness. Therefore, he alone can embark on a journey to knowledge who is prepared to become an utter emptiness, nothingness.
There is yet another attribute of fire which is still more relevant to the knowledge of truth. As the fire's flame rises upward it is visible only to an extent and then disappears into the vast space; it becomes invisible. The same is the case with the knowledge of truth; it is related with its knower only to a small extent and then it disappears into that which is un knowable.

The visible part of reality is very tiny in comparison with its invisible part which is immense and infinite.
For all these reasons fire became a very useful and powerful symbol of knowledge. and Krishna ushered in jnan-yajna. Worship of knowledge is like worship of fire.

If you rightly understand the significance of fire as a symbol, you will know that worship of knowledge is eternal. While all other rituals that came into being with the discovery of fire have died because they were products of circumstances, the pursuit of knowledge remains with us forever. Knowledge is not bound with circumstances; it is eternal. So for the first time Krishna freed yajna from the fetters of time and events and yoked it to the eternal. From now on in the future, yajna or rituals will be in vogue in the way Krishna refashioned it; its meaning and purpose will be derived from Krishna alone. The pre-Krishna chapter of yajna is closed forever. It is now outdated and dead. If someone still talks of the yajna of the pre-Krishna days, he is only trying to perpetuate a dead and meaningless ritual. Now it is not possible to dance around fire in the old way, because fire is no more an event, it is an everyday affair.

Krishna talks about another kind of yajna which is japa-yajna or the ritual of chanting. The secret of japa is the same as that of knowledge. Japa at first burns all your thoughts, and then it burns itself -- the thought of japa or chanting.

And what remains is known as ajapa -- wordless chanting. For this reason it is called yajna, because it works like fire.

Your mind is stuffed with thoughts, all kinds of junk. So you use a word for chanting, and with the help of this chanting you banish from your mind all other thoughts -- except the one thought which is your word for chanting. However, when all other thoughts disappear, then this last thought -- the thought of chanting -- becomes unnecessary and it drops on its own. It is followed by a state of utter silence which is called ajapa or wordless chanting or non chanting. So ajapa too, is a kind of fire which first burns the fuel and then burns itself.

But there is a danger with chanting just as with knowledge. In fact, there is danger with every kind of spiritual discipline. There is no path from which one is not going to deviate. Every path leading to a destination has its bypaths of deviation, and you can use them to deviate from your journey. The truth is that we use paths more to digress from them than to reach.
 
For example, Krishna talks about the path of knowledge. For most people knowledge is scholarship, information, concepts, ideas, doctrines. If someone mistakes knowledgeability for knowledge he is on a wrong path, he is going astray. Now he cannot attain to truth, to knowledge, even if he crams his head full of all the scriptures there are in the world. 

And remember, ignorance is not as harmful as false knowledge. False knowledge is harmful, pernicious. It is lifeless, it lacks fire altogether. Pseudo knowledge is like ashes left after the fire has been extinguished. You can collect ashes in tons, but they are not going to change you. So if someone mistakes scholarship for knowledge he is already off the track.  

It is the same with japa or chanting. If someone thinks he will reach through chanting he is mistaken. No one has ever found God or truth by chanting the name of Rama or Ave Maria. Chanting is like a thorn -- one uses it to take out another thorn sticking in his flesh and then throws away the two together. Both thorns are equally useless. If he leaves the second thorn in the place of the first, thinking it is something valuable, then he will continue to suffer. And he is for sure a stupid person. But there is no dearth of such stupid people in the world.

Buddha had a beautiful story he loved to tell again and again. A group of eight persons -- perhaps they were all pundits and priests -- crossed a big river in a country boat. Reaching the other bank they conferred among themselves as to what they should do with the boat which had helped them to cross the river. One -- perhaps the most knowledgeable among them -- suggested that they were indebted to the boat for having done such a great job for them, and so they should carry it on their heads to repay the debt.

Everyone agreed with him and they lifted the boat to their heads and carried it to the next village they were scheduled to visit.

The people of the village were amazed to find their guests carrying a big boat on their heads. They said, "What are you doing? A boat is meant to carry us; we are not meant to carry the boat on our heads. Why did you not leave it in the river?"

The visitors said, "It seems you are all very ungrateful people. We know what gratefulness is. This boat helped us cross the river, now we are repaying our debt to it. It is going to stay on our heads forever."
Buddha says many people turn means into ends and cling to them for the rest of their lives. A boat is useful for crossing a river; we are not supposed to carry it on our heads after it has served our purpose.

Japa can be used with the awareness that it is a means which helps one to be free of his thoughts. But if someone takes japa to be an end in itself, of course he will be free of other thoughts but he will be a prisoner of this japa which is as good as a thought. His mind will remain as burdened and tense as ever. There is no difference between a mind teeming with thoughts and another filled with the chanting of Rama or Ave Maria. They are equally tense and restless. It is possible a thought-filled mind can achieve something worthwhile in the workaday world; a few of his thoughts may be found useful.

But as far as the chanting-filled mind is concerned, it is completely a waste. But this man will say what helped to free him from wasteful thoughts is something valuable, and he is not going to part with it. This man is carrying a boat on his head.

To give japa the place of a yajna or sacrificial ritual has a deep secret, it is meaningful. When Krishna calls it a yajna, a sacrificial ritual, he means to say that japa is also like fire, which first burns its fuel and then burns itself. And it is meaningful only when it burns itself.

So we can use a word, a mantra, a seed word, as a means to cast away other words from our minds. But ultimately we have to throw away the mantra itself. If we get attached to the mantra, if we cling to it, then it will cease to be japa; it will turn instead into a kind of hypnotic trap, you will be a prisoner of its hypnosis. If you become obsessed with japa, you will go berserk. There are people who get so fixated with japa that they begin to derive an infantile kind of gratification from it, and then they can never be able to part with it. Then it becomes pathological.

Japa has to be used with awareness. If you are a witness while chanting a name or a mantra, if you know that while chanting goes on at the mental level, you remain a witness to it, then you are making a right use of japa. And it is only then that some day you will be able to go beyond it.

And then japa becomes a yajna, a fire which first burns its fuel and then burns itself. And when you are empty, utterly empty, silent, you attain to meditation, you attain to samadhi or superconsciousness.
For this reason Krishna gives both knowledge and japa the status of yajna, because yajna happens around fire. And fire is immensely significant. If you understand the significance of fire, you will understand what jnan yajna or japa-yajna is. The truth is: one who is ready to burn his ego, his "I", who is ready to totally efface himself, is ready for yajna. He alone is deserving of yajna who is capable of making an offering of himself into the fire of knowledge. And then all other yajnas fade into insignificance before this great yajna, which I call the yajna of life.

            O S H O
            Commentaries On Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy
            Chapter : 19:Rituals, Fire and Knowledge
            4 October 1970 pm

^^^^

So at least the background overstanding of any spiritual practice (sadhana) is knowing its undelying correspondence to subtle creative dynamics. Then what follows is attunement... Disolution of self and conceptions must ensue. So as the effectiveness of the activity is realized. Therefore qualitative transformation of being.

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