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« on: December 24, 2007, 12:06:45 AM »

I was just wondering something..the world started in Africa yes?
so I was talking to my friend about that and she asked me how? and I didn't really know..
I guess what I'm saying is I read the Holy Piby like 4 times and it all ways talks about the world being created in Africa. but besides the fact the it says so I don't really know of any other proof..
can some one explain this to me so I can get a better overstanding of it..
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« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2007, 01:00:46 AM »

They found the oldest human remains in Africa, not sure how many millions of years old it was but it was enough to be concrete evidence.
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« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2007, 06:23:03 PM »

Ites... You said "world was created in Africa"? the world was created by Jah allmighty but it didnt look like it does now... the map was different. Africa and mid-east were connected and so on. The first humans were 'born' in the so called Africa. Dont know if it was called Africa by then, as it were connected in many ways to other of the worlds peices. But somewhere in Africa the first humans were indeed. There's proof for this aswell as MaoriLion told us.

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« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2007, 08:06:56 PM »

@ soldier, that makes so much more sense, thanks brotha.
@ maorilion, do you have any more info on this civilization?
sounds very interesting..
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« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2007, 11:25:15 PM »

There was a skeleton found at 1974 in the Hadar region of Ethiopia, said to be
the oldest ape-human that has lived on earth. Scientists called her Lucy and she's about 3,2 million years old! The oldest ape-human on earth indeed, and found it Ethiopia. Thats why many scientists say the first human were born in Africa aswell. I personally say Lucy was not a human, because she had fur like an ape, and she looked more of an ape then a woman. But the main fact, she was found in Ethiopia! The specie of hers is called Australopithicus afarensis. Its told they lived approximately 4 to 2.7 million years ago along the northern Rift valley of east Africa, and perhaps even earlier. Lucy's skeleton was complete but they found about 300 peices of individual skeletons there aswell. Hope this informed you well!

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« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2007, 04:51:16 AM »

wow.. thanks man.
bless up.
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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2007, 08:51:25 PM »

Babylon              Rasta (truth)

Africa                 Ethiopia
Ethiopia              Africa


You seen me?

The world is Africa.
and what we see as Africa, is in fact ethopia.

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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2007, 07:46:16 PM »

can the I explain it a little more
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2007, 07:54:49 PM »

i can try.

basically the world is Africa. the whole earth is Africa.

and the 'african' continent, is Ethiopia. 100s of years ago, the country was not split up into countries, like Uganda, rwanda ext ext. it was just ethiopia.


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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2007, 07:58:11 PM »

ooohhh,seen brotha. thanks
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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2007, 08:03:40 PM »

pleasure ,

if u listen to some reggae artists like johnny dread

they say stuff like


the world is africa!

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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2007, 08:55:52 PM »

Greetings
 InI thought this piece of information may be of use to some I ,

Solomon Tshekeisho Plaatje was born in 1878 in the lands of
the Tswana-speaking people, south of Mafeking. His origins
were ordinary enough. What was remarkable was the aptitude he showed
for education and learning after a few years schooling under the tuition
of a remarkable liberal German Lutheran missionary, the Rev. Ludorf.
At the age of sixteen Plaatje (using the Dutch nickname of his grandfather
as a surname) joined the Post Office as a mail-carrier in Kimberley,
the diamond city in the north of Cape Colony. He subsequently passed
the highest clerical examination in the colony, beating every white candidate
in both Dutch and typing.

From Kimberley the young Plaatje went on to Mafeking, where he was
one of the key players in the great siege of 1899-1900.
As magistrate's interpreter he was the vital link between
the British civil authorities and the African majority
beleaguered inside the town's military perimeter. Plaatje's diaries
from this period, published long after his death, are a remarkable record
both of the siege and of his early prose experimentation --
mixing languages and idioms, and full of bright humour.

After the war Plaatje became a journalist, editor first
of one Tswana language newspaper at Mafeking and then of another at Kimberley.
Like other educated Africans he came out of the war optimistic that
the British would enfranchise all educated and propertied males
in the defeated Boer colonies (Transvaal and Orange Free State)
without regard to race. But in this he, and the others,
were soon sorely disappointed. The British gave a whites-only franchise
to the defeated Boers and thus conceded power to a Boer or white Afrikaner
parliamentary majority in the 1910 Union of South Africa
which brought together the two Boer colonies with Cape Colony and Natal.
Clinging to the old but diminished "colour blind" franchise of the Cape,
Plaatje remained one of the few Africans in South Africa
with a parliamentary vote.

Plaatje's aggravation with the British government can be seen
in an unpublished manuscript of 1908-09 titled "Sekgoma -- the Black Dreyfus".
In this booklet he castigated the British for denying legal rights
(specifically habeas corpus) to their African subjects
outside the Cape Colony.

Plaatje became politically active in the "native congress" movement
which represented the interests of educated and propertied Africans
all over South Africa. He was the first secretary-general
of the "South African Native National Congress", founded in 1912
(which renamed itself as the African National Congress or ANC
ten years later).

The first piece of major legislation presented to the whites-only
parliament of South Africa was the Natives' Land Act, eventually passed
in 1913, which was designed to entrench white power and property rights
in the countryside -- as well as to solve the "native problem" of
African peasant farmers working for themselves and denying their labour power
to white employers.

The main battle ground for the implementation of the new legislation
was the Orange Free State. White farmers took the cue from the Land Act
to begin expelling black peasants from their land as "squatters",
while the police began to rigorously enforce the pass-laws
which registered the employment of Africans and prescribed
their residence and movement rights.

The Free State became the cockpit of resistance by the newly formed SANNC.
Its womens' league demonstrated against pass law enforcement
in Free State towns. Its national executive sent a delegation to England,
icluding Plaatje, who set sail in mid-1914. The British crown retained
ultimate rights of sovereignty over the parliament and government
of South Africa, with an as yet unexercised power of veto over
South African legislation in the area of "native affairs".

The delegation received short shrift from the government in London which was,
after all, more than preoccupied with the coming of the Great War --
in which it feared for the loyalty of the recently defeated Afrikaners
and wished in no way to offend them. But, rather than return empty-handed
like the rest of the SANNC delegation, Plaatje decided
to stay in England to carry on the fight. He was determined to recuit,
through writing and lecturing, the liberal and humanitarian establishment
to his side -- so that it in turn might pressure the British government.

Thus it was that Plaatje resumed work on a manuscript he had begun
on the ship to England. "Native Life in South Africa".
The book was published in 1916 by P. S. King in London.
It was dedicated to Harriette Colenso, doughty woman camnpaigner
who had inherited from her father, Bishop Colenso, the mantle of advocate
to the British establishment of the rights of the Zulu nation in South Africa.

While in England Plaatje pursued his interests in language and linguistics
by collaborating with Professor Daniel Jones of the University of London --
inventor of the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA) and prototype for
Professor Higgins in Shaw's "Pygmalion" and thus the musical "My Fair Lady".
In the same year as Native Life was published, 1916, Plaatje published
two other shorter books which brought together the European languages
(English, Dutch and German) he loved with the Tswana language.
"Sechuana Proverbs" was a listing of Tswana proverbs with
their European equivalents. "A Sechuana Reader" was co-authored with Jones,
using the IPA for Tswana orthography.

Plaatje returned to South Africa but went once again to England
after the war's end, to lead a second SANNC delegation keen to make its mark
on the peace negotiations in 1919. This time Plaatje managed to get
as far as the prime minister, Lloyd George, "the Welsh wizard".
Lloyd George was duly impressed with Plaatje and undertook
to present his case to General Jan Smuts in the South African government,
a supposedly liberal fellow-traveller. But Smuts, whose notions of liberalism
were patronizingly segregationist, fobbed off Lloyd George
with an ingenuous reply.

Disillusioned with the flabby friendship of British liberals,
Plaatje was increasingly drawn to the pan-Africanism of W. E. B. Du Bois,
president of the NAACP in the United States. In 1921 Plaatje sailed
for the United States on a lecture tour that took him through
half the country. He paid his own way by publishing and selling
18,000 copies of a booklet titled "The Mote and the Beam: an Epic
on Sex-Relationship 'twixt Black and White in British South Africa"
at 25 cents each. In the following year, after Plaatje had left,
this new edition of "Native Life in South Africa" was published,
by the NAACP newspaper "The Crisis" edited by Du Bois.

Plaatje returned home to Kimberley to find the SANNC a spent force,
despite its name change to ANC, overtaken by more radical forces.
At a time when white power was pushing ahead with an ever more intense
segregationist programme, based on anti-black legislation,
Plaatje became a lone voice for old black liberalism. He turned from politics
and devoted the rest of his life to literature. His passion for Shakespeare
resulted in mellifluous Tswana translations of five plays
from "Comedy of Errors" to "Merchant of Venice" and "Julius Caesar".
His passion for the history of his people, and of his family in particular,
resulted in a historical novel, "Mhudi (An Epic of South African Native Life
a Hundred Years Ago)", dedicated to his daughter Olive who had died
in the influenza epidemic while Plaatje was overseas --
described in the dedication as "one of the many victims of a settled system".

"Mhudi" was published by the missionary press at Lovedale in 1930,
in a somewhat bowdlerized version. It has since been republished
in more pristine form and is today considered not just the first
but one of the very best novels published by a black South African writer
in English.

Plaatje lived an extraordinary life but died a largely disappointed man.
His feats of political journalism had been largely forgotten
and his creative talents had hardly yet been recognised
-- except in the confined world of Tswana language readership.
But today Plaatje is regarded as a South African literary pioneer,
as a not insignificant political actor in his time,
and as a cogent commentator on his times. He was an explorer
in a fascinating world of cultural and linguistic interaction,
who was in retrospect truly a "renaissance man".

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