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[surfmon_I]

since the gold standard was removed as the "real" backing for money, the government actually borrows money from the Federal Reserve.  that means that in the U.S. each dollar put out comes with debt attached to it.  It is interest that is compounded and never diminished with each dollar printed.
It is also interesting where this is leading.  Has anyone heard of the "AMERO" ?, the entirety of north  america will have no boarders and a single currency.

[I ELIJAH I]

You always want to make things personal instead of reasoning on the bigger issues.
Posted on: January 31, 2008, 03:49:23 am

Perhaps, But you still didn't answer the questions.

If the government is printing the money how can they ever manage to get in debt?

Money is more that just paper, Sorry if I was unclear on that. Most of the money that the government's in debt for doesn't actually exist on paper. Plus what surfmon says-

since the gold standard was removed as the "real" backing for money, the government actually borrows money from the Federal Reserve.  that means that in the U.S. each dollar put out comes with debt attached to it.  It is interest that is compounded and never diminished with each dollar printed.
It is also interesting where this is leading.  Has anyone heard of the "AMERO" ?, the entirety of north  america will have no boarders and a single currency.

Of course one can't remove the influence and effect governments have to stabilize and maintain civilizations that give rise to and sustain things like the "federal reserve", a paradox of sorts.   

[Oskar]

in the U.S. each dollar put out comes with debt attached to it.

So for each dollar made you create a debt that you owe yourself meaning the dollar you create is already yours. It's a fake piece of paper and the only value it has is what you assign to it.

Money is only powerful as long as people value it. Reading Luke 16:13 it comes clear what world government really is about.

Posted on: January 31, 2008, 05:09:04 pmThis was the question Elijah?

What money? And who is loaning it?

The countries in debt are loaning, or are they in debt because they loan? I don't know. What money? The money lent to them.

[I ELIJAH I]

The countries in debt are loaning, or are they in debt because they loan? I don't know. What money? The money lent to them.

What I overstand is that when the U.S for example takes a loan from China, They are loaning from Chinese Banks. But I'm not sure how the Chinese money system works whether its totally federal or private.  The point is that Banks have all alot more money than the treasury of nations. And alot of times that treasury is loaned from and kept in Banks anyway.  What we must overstand is that this money does not actually exist. It is "intellectual" money. Value created from the estimated "worth" of "nations" and its anticipated or estimated productive capacity. So I may loan you 500 million dollars, But it only exists "electronically" within the system of international banks.  Not in actual currency, it is all just numbers tossed around within the banks themselves. "Property value" and things like this are abstract valuations. How much is an acre of land "worth"?  How much is life itself "worth"?  This is whats meant by "Perception is reality".   

[natty threads]

Reading Luke 16:13 it comes clear what world government really is about.

Indeed.

God bless, Oskar.

This is so important for people to understand.

What we use in the US are federal reserve notes.
They only have value because we have weapons and people willing to use them to back the dollars up.

What we call coins are really tokens. Coins are made of metal that has value equal to that of the coin.

Tokens are only good as long as someone is there to enforce them.

I don't know who all know Chuckie Cheese's? It is bad pizza and loads of video games- birthday party emporium for kids-
Maybe other countries have something similar?

Anyway- you can buy game tokens there, you can get coupons on-line to get ten times the game tokens when you go there, the tokens are only good at Chuckie Cheese's and only because Chuckie Cheese's chooses to accept them. You cannot use US tokens, only Chuckie Cheese tokens. That way if you do not spend them all you will be tempted to come back.

That is what US money is like- Chuckie Cheese tokens.
That is what you can buy with US money- bad pizza and video games.

Other people take our Chuckie Cheese US "money" be cause we have great big guns and plenty of men trained to use them.

Our money has no value, none at all.

Isn't it called Graham's Law, Oskar? That bad money drives good money out of circulation?

As long as some are making and using bad money, the good money will be hidden away.

Sometimes I am tempted to squirrel away food and fabric, goods for the end-times.

Then I remember what someone once said -

"Would saving food and building shelters have saved a single person from the Flood?"

God bless.
Posted on: January 31, 2008, 10:44:39 pmElijah 1, that is exactly my overstanding as well.

I guess the next question is "What does it mean?"

God bless.

[Oskar]

Jah bless, natty threads.

Your post put a smile on my face, several times.

Ises
Posted on: February 01, 2008, 02:30:44 am

Why did he ask what "religion" they claim to represent as if it is only one?

If money was a religion that would be it. Surely money is the common theme in their agenda and making business out of money.

[I ELIJAH I]

Maybe, But its not. He was insinuating that they are all Jewish to stir up hatred.

[natty threads]

There is a book called Whatever Happened to Penny Candy by Richard Maybury, writing as "Uncle Eric".

It is written as a series of letters to a young relative inquiring about economics. It is used as a reader in the SonLight homeschool curriculum. It is easy to read and easy to understand- of course some of us have to reread some parts, depending on how much economics background we have to start.

He also writes a sequel, Whatever Happened to Justice and yet another, rather short book called Ancient Rome and How It Affects You Today.

I strongly recommend the lot of them as a jumping off point.

This web-site should help.
http://www.chaostan.com/

These are the two laws that all cohesive working civilizations follow:

Do all you have agreed to do.
Do not encroach on other persons or their property.

He explains in his books why this is so and how this works.

I believe we all recognize these rules.
They don't have anything to do with Chuckie Cheese!

Please people, inform yourselves.
I was so afraid of economics and money and how business works.
We homeschool and I didn't want my children to have the same holes I did, so we study economics and we study business.

Richard Maybury's books have made this pleasant.

Again, thank-you Ras Nick for this forum,
Thank-you Oskar for bringing up economics,

And God bless.


Posted on: February 01, 2008, 03:07:56 amElijah 1, he says who the problem is, and it isn't the Jews.
I think you might enjoy his books.

[NyaInIJahLove]

*****Of course one can't remove the influence and effect governments have to stabilize and maintain civilizations that give rise to and sustain things like the "federal reserve", a paradox of sorts.******
we can't? I wouldn't want to remove that kind of influence, if that were really so, but the present regime seem intent on destabalizing and are certainly non-sustainable...
I ask you is Afganistan stable, Africa? Iraq? pakistan? America?
no dem are floundering, partly becaue of an archaic system that steals from the poor to give to the rich
that is destroying the earth, that perpetuates hypocrasy, that divides and conquors....
and the federal reserve?
isn't that still a remenent of the ole "protection money racket, from days of old....
give us your money and we will kill anyone who gets in the way of you keeping it, and by the way you have to live in debt to us if you want a piece of the pie, and so we legitimately own you, so please, give us your sons and daughters coz we certainly aren't going to die on the battlefields we are too busy enjoying the high life from this stolen money, oh and by the way , we invested your money in bombs and guns and tanks, hope yah don't mind.
You call that stabalized and sustainable?
If yah kids don't die on the battlefield, pollution and the earth trying to clease itself will, if we follow this "government system"...
Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasars, and in my world Cesears due is my resistance and non compliance
not giving him more money to steal, kill and enslave
Blessings Nyah

[I ELIJAH I]

Don't forget on who's shoulders the government rests.

[Oskar]

@natty threads
I checked that web-site and basically what this economical adviser is saying is invest in things that make a profit during wartimes.

Anyone with a conscience would work to stop the war instead of making a profit from it, so I don't agree with that.

I was so afraid of economics and money and how business works.
We homeschool and I didn't want my children to have the same holes I did, so we study economics and we study business.

If this is what you got out of Luke 16:13 I don't know where you at. Study God and your reward will be different.

Isn't it called Graham's Law, Oskar? That bad money drives good money out of circulation?

As long as some are making and using bad money, the good money will be hidden away.

Graham's Law? I know HIM Haile Selassie I say "Throughout history it has been the inaction of those who could have acted, the indifference of those who should have known better, the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered most, that has made it possible for evil to triumph."

"...we are confident in the victory of good over evil."

Bless up
Posted on: February 02, 2008, 05:28:51 amWell said NyaInIJahLove, so true.

[NyaInIJahLove]

Don't forget on who's shoulders the government rests.

If you saying the most High runs tings. I would have to agree...
However who, in the present day Governments, give dem authority to HIM?
He spoke in favour of soveign nationhood, not this colonialist approach....
tell I, who is following Him in Government?
why do we have all this systemic corruption and war if they have given HIM his rightfull place?

[natty threads]

@natty threads
I checked that web-site and basically what this economical adviser is saying is invest in things that make a profit during wartimes.

Oskar- could you point that out for me?

What I get out of Richard Maybury is to AVOID places with conflict because there will be unscrupulous people there trying to make profit during the wartimes.

I have read his books, and I promise he is VERY against using force.

His "Chaosistan" model is used to point out where places are unstable and poor for investors.

He probably does point out that huge profits can be made there, but he is very libertarian, very into INDIVIDUAL entrepreneurship, and very very very against the use of force to enforce currency and government programs.

Please show me where he says to take advantage of wars? I have missed that entirely and we refer to him a lot.

I pray that the misunderstanding is on your side and not mine, or that this is someone else's website and I posted incorrectly.

Thank-you Oskar.

I would never try to promote proftting from war.


Posted on: February 02, 2008, 05:07:55 pmIt is Gresham's Law that says bad money drives good money out of circulation.

Graham's Law has to do with chemistry.

Gresham's Law - this is why there are no silver coins in circulation in this country.
When we went off the silver standard people started hoarding the coins made from valuable metals.

[Oskar]

Please show me where he says to take advantage of wars?

Well, I'm reading the interview linked from the main page.

There is mention of a lot of other things, much of which is interesting, but on the issue of investment advice that is what is being said. Which is no surprise really as that is the kind of thing money lead to. There is no such thing as good money or bad money, it's all just greed for things material.

Bless up

[natty threads]

I'll read the interview Oskar-

There is no such thing as good money, imo/

Just money that we can try to put to good use.

As soon as we turn our real value over for a medium of exchange we lose.

This is my belief and I try to circumvent the system where I can.

I've read that over 90% of US currency has traces of cocaine on it.
That seems relevant somehow.

God bless.