Mushrooms Relevant to the RASTA?

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[RubADubDub]

Who I Am: My name is Tyler. I live in WA state USA with my wife and daughter of 8 months (www.apeacefulpride.com). I have been on and off this forum (mostly observing) for a while now (over a year atleast). I am not a Rasta... I am a dreadlocks and I do believe in an impersonal Almighty Being. Anyways...

I was suprised by the seemingly-majority negative view on psychoactive mushrooms that I saw in the Livity Section. I understand Rastas to believe the ganja plant was God given. I also understand Rastas to believe in ganja's powerful guidance and medicinal properties. And still I understand Rastas use scripture to defend ganja's significance and righteousness in life.

If you look at the scripture that backs up use of ganja, you will find it very vague in reference to "the green herb". Consider these facts from Exodus then (I recommend reading the whole Chapter 16...

Ex. 16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.

Ex. 16:13 And it came to pass, that at even the quails came up, and covered the camp: and in the morning the dew lay round about the host. 16:14 And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground. 16:15 And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another, It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the LORD hath given you to eat.

If you read the entirety of Exodus 16 you will find that it's describing manna, which is, the bread of life. You will also find other facts about manna... it was to be saved in pots for future generations, it tasted like wafers made with honey, and it stopped being consumed by Israel once they reached the airid borders of Canaan.

These facts are true of mushrooms:

*Mushrooms can be preserved (and preserve the pscilocybin) when encased in honey.
*Mushrooms fruit after a day or night of rain ("I will rain bread from heaven").
*Mushrooms require a fair amount of humidity ("and in the morning the dew lay around the host" )
*Mushrooms appear rather quickly, seemingly pop-up overnight  ("And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness").
*We all know their shape ("there lay a small round thing")
*Moses saw the burning bush image
*Moses was a livestock herder
*Psilocybe conatainging mushrooms grow in this area on livestock manure (lots of them)!

Somethings to think about... perhaps this negativity about mushrooms is based not off reasoning but off of predetermined notions of what can be spiritual and All-unifying.

[NyaInIJahLove]

Look I tend to be of the Ipinion that psychotropics are "food of the Gods" but the truth is, no everyone can take them safely
anything that activates your Kundalini chould be done with care, caution and wisefind support
that is why Indian "spiritual "Teachers" (check my site for my view on Teachers)
I prefer the term Spiritual Friends...generally don't advise the use of psychotropics...not everyone is at the place where "ego dissolution" is advisable...so it really a thing to get very informed about
plus...if the Babylonians get hold of you...and throw you in an asylum.....it could ruin your life...so its a big decision...
ones who are suicidal with chronic depression or bi-polar however, couldn't really lose, as things can't really get much worse, in that case, and it could be really helpful, but it could exacerbate the illness too
I just wouldn't glorify these things to impressionable young minds, as I have seen people go right off on these fun-guys
I say...must get in the right environment (love-based friends not fear-based folk) and stay safe if you play with Kundalini stirrers
Check "erowids" on-line for more info
love n oneness
Nyah I

[RubADubDub]

Look I tend to be of the Ipinion that psychotropics are "food of the Gods" but the truth is, no everyone can take them safely

Not everyone can use the Bible safely either sister. A look at the Middle East, the Atlantic slave trade, the foundations of the U.S, etc. will reveal a completely dangerous dogmatic abuse of the Bible. Shall I not promote the Bible as well?

I just wouldn't glorify these things to impressionable young minds, as I have seen people go right off on these fun-guys

While it may seem that I have set out to glorify the psychotropic mushroom, I assure you I have not. I know it's place in my life and my spirituality. I consume non-psychotropic mushrooms everyday for my health and would say my psychotropic mushroom use probably averages about a teaching a year. My purpose is to challenge the notion that magic mushrooms are a dangerous substance that have no place in Judaic & Christian scripture, which makes up a lot Rasta scripture, when in fact nearly every religion born out of that time period makes references to psychoactive mushroom use. Even the religous traditions these religions are based off of (Egyptian, Zoroasterian, mushroom cults of Tassili) have MAJOR references to mushroom use. Was Moses not the adopted son of an Egyptian priest? Is it a stretch to assume a priest with the knowledge of the mushrooms divine knowledge would impart this knowledge to his son? And in turn teach the Israelites wandering through the desert that following a rain and lifting of dew that mushrooms grow on their cattle's dung? And that these mushrooms not only contain divine knowledge but that they are extremely nutritous?

[NyaInIJahLove]

Seen Bredren
I too have great and illuminating experiences and healing times attributed to these.....
I live in the "Rainbow region" where "gold tops" are prolific
from a women who was dangerously close to ending it all, I have recovered enuff from my illness to bare seven children and hold down a 20 relationship...much of the elevation of my depression I attribute to these shrooms and Herb..
Like I say...from personal, Isonal experience Mushrooms worked for me, for Bi-polar, eating disorder and  majorly debilitating depression, if you are stronghearted enuff to cope with the odd "bad trip" and "flashbacks"...shrooms chased me into the arms of my true Love, My Radic, who has been by my side for nearly 20 yrs...so I do have high regard, far dem...just loads of RAspect for the potency and sacredness of these "Kundalini stirrers"........

[Ash-Tree]

I have spent the last 2 years studying with Curanderos/Shamans in Peru, it is clear that all plants have a role and a mission on this planet just like we do, wether it is mushrooms, ganja, salvia or ayahuasca they are all tools and are there to be used when can benefit the I, Be it spiritual healing or phsycal. to be Ras for me means to be syncronized with nature, that requieres a balance.

[Redge]

I have spent the last 2 years studying with Curanderos/Shamans in Peru, it is clear that all plants have a role and a mission on this planet just like we do, wether it is mushrooms, ganja, salvia or ayahuasca they are all tools and are there to be used when can benefit the I, Be it spiritual healing or phsycal. to be Ras for me means to be syncronized with nature, that requieres a balance.

bless'ed love
InI believe u r very wise
u speak not only of reason
but of truth
InI respect dis

jah bless

[Shaggy Love]

haha!

If you read the whole scripture is also hints at Jah saying that all the plants on earth are for the use of man, so, I think that fungi's count as plants to. . . haha!

I don't think they are right for everyone tho, for example, bad trips, sometimes man is not ment to see the porpouse that Jah has for things, and if he dislikes your meddleing he will let you know, in a non fatal but scary way, and humans have holy spirit in them and that is the only reason we trip any way, but the herb is the most spiritual way of reaching Jah because you have controll over your mind and feelings during your high. . .

Blessings, and much love to all,
Shaggy

[NyaInIJahLove]

There is a book I'm told The Christ and the Sacred Mushrooms? or something
I will check back with the one who illuminated I, of that text
Blessed Love
I-Sis Nyah I

[Redge]

the high grade
is what bring ini peace
ini nah tried mushrooms
but to reach the i
put me on a higha meditation nothing
better than the sacred herbs


bless

[Adam323]

Fungi are not plants or aniamals, they are Fungi, recent reaserch is even saying they have more in common with animals than plants

One Love

[blazekief91]

I agree with the concept of hallucinogens being lawful, but definitely only intended for certain scenarios and people.  Hallucinogens can cause religious visions that some might find inspirational, but just as easily take you on a trip through Hell.  I've tried hallucinogens and I really didn't get anything out of it that was worth calling a sign from Jah.  In fact, it did nothing more for me than turn me clinically insane for the duration of the effects, especially with salvia.  It wasn't exactly a dreadful experience, but I learned real quick that these plants aren't intended for the easily impressionable or freighted.  It's probably only recommendable to those who are their utmost emotional and mental stability and those who have a firm grasp of their faith.

[jasonwoolen13]

 I have spent the last 2 years studying with healers / shamans in Peru, it is clear that all plants have a role and a mission on this planet as we do, time is mushrooms, ganja, sage or ayahuasca are all tools are there to be used when you can benefit, whether or phsycal spiritual healing.  Ras to me means being synchronized with nature, requiring a balance. 

[plp]

Nya you seem very wise to me also.

I think I heard someone mention the idea that the sacrament god was handing out was actually mushrooms. IDK if that is true, what I do know is mushrooms have amazing healing properties.

Mushrooms are best if you have OCD or Aspergers (a form of autism which usually accompanies OCD-like symptoms). There are studies done of mushrooms being used to cure OCD successfully.

I agree with the person who said you need a firm hold on your faith to use them because I did 2cI the other day and thanks to RastafarI and Hip-Hop culture knowledge I was not scared even though I thought a tsunami was coming in to wipe me out. I knew that the trees were god (producing this gift of oxygen for me), and they were going to protect me. It also showed me how to not lose my identity from the establishments and the other people, how I could prepare for my future and become a very unique and creative person the more time I spent by myself.

Also showed an understanding of 2 aspects, which eventually I realized simplified down to the term "InI", which further affirmed the truth of RastafarI to me.

[rasmoses]

Everyone wants their own brand of Rastafari.
Posted on: June 21, 2011, 01:19:30 AMEveryone wants their own brand of Rastafari.

[Nazarite I]

Isn't that the truth Ras Moses...

People have to get this idea out of their heads that they can make RastafarI in their own image. Too many times I have heard people say "Rastas believe whatever they want". Fire burn that. I and I are shaped in the image of the Most High and guided by the Irits of His Majesty and the Wisemind Elders that came before I and I. Not by some hippy business where anything goes.
Check the teachings of His Majesty and the Elders that set the Livity and then ask yourself if I and I should really be eating mushrooms that bring about hallucinations which are just illusions...

Blessed love.