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[prophet777]

Irie Friend

Points made,

Clearly I am not the same "rasta" as you are, I see it as babylon thinking to divide people from others, whether it be colour sexuality faith. Babylon thinking!  People are one.

I praise Rastafari, and always will. however, i refuse to fling fiyah on one because of there sexuality.

for you to call me not rasta, this is an opinion, and from what i can see your opinion of rasta is one who hates gays?

Love thy neighbour, it's in the Ible.

so is

If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

now from what i understand if these two quotes are in the Ible, there is absoulutly and definitly something wrong.

Inner journey shows me that every man on this earth is the same, every woman also. No matter what them do in the bedroom.

Myabe this makes me a hippy, not a rasta?  

you can decide for yourself on that one, but I will never stop hailin Rastafari, no matter what you say or do

One Love

Bless up

Selassie I

Well, listen "friend" - if ya wanna talk about Rasta then you have to know who it is who are talking about. Rasta nah deal in "Battyboynism" or any kind of "ism, shism." For you to even seh that you are not the same Rasta as I - that is the hate/dividing/seperating talk you talk about - cause every Rasta is ONE. You are not in the position fe mek two out of I ONE for you are definitely not in the ONE. Overstand ?

You are definetly not in the position to tell I that you are a "differnet rasta" because no TRUE follower of HIM (RASTAFARI) would accept such nonsense ! Rasta are the folowers of RASTAFARI and RASTAFRI set an example that all have to follow - and ! and, and,...in that same example - battybwoy is discredited - simple ! Every one that nah follow RASTAFARI example can and never will be RASTA ! It is just a claim you make and nothing else. You are one of those who claim "RASTA" without no real knowledge of RASTA livity - your words speak for themselves. Every one (as you say) that agree with you - well my "friend" they are not RASTA too ! This is not judgement but, truth.

YOU can not like the fruit and at the same time hate the tree. And even if you do then you are just living a contradiction - simple... " Hippy ?" Well, I think you have found out who you are for yourself so why question I about who you are ? You seem to be confused. Get some teaching. " Dont jump in the water if you can't swim !"

One more thing - can no one stop you from hailing HIM but, what sense does it make for you to hail HIM and at the same time disrespect HIM !? Do you really think that you can go on disrespecting HIM and then all you have to do is hail HIM and you will then be forgiven ? Does that make sense to you ? So I and I can go on sinning and sinning and sinning and all we have to do is just ask for forgiveness and we shall be forgiven ? Even when we know that what we do is wrong ? LOL.

Jah never gave man brain for nothing - use it to make sense out of nonsense - simple.

Is nobody here "attacking" you cause of your post but, there is people pon here trying fe show you JAH light by setting an example that JAH set i.e., by following the same example that JAH gave for I to follow. For you to see that as an "attack" further goes on to show where it is you are coming from....and where you are heading to....

You really should be taking heed to that "call" instead of fighting against yourself.

P7

[Higher Love]

Greeting,

I is sad to see such negativity in this here thread.        And I is also sad to see so many of man, born with the spirit, getting souled out to the cheap satisfaction of hate.       

Yes, many passages in the Ible prohibit sexual acts with another man, but are we not also told to ''judge not''? Then, I ask, why so much JUDGEMENT in this thread? You are using the Ible as vehicle to support the HATE in your heart! That is not the way of the rastaman!

Life is for love, love is for life, Jah is love and love is Jah.        Only the king of kings shall pass judgement on man, and only he decide.        InI know many homosexual men, and these men are good people who do not harm others.        It is my opinion that Jah does not wish to harm them because they favour the company of man over the company of woman! The content of your heart and the morality of your intentions matter far, far more than your sexual desires! Stop being so childish, brothers! Sexuality is but a twig in the tree!
 
Certain passages of the Ible were written by man with MALE, earthly intention.        Many of these men hated the homosexuals and sought to hate them through the scripture.        I believe this is not in Jah's name for Jah loves all who love.     Point is : Many men in the Ible may have been inspired by Jah and may have written PROPHECY, but they were also homophobic.     Just because a prophet is homophobic, does not mean that the reader of the prophecy has to be homophobic! It is 2009! There is enough hate in the world!  

You dont have to support what the gay man does but you must realise what he does has nothing to do with you, and where he puts his organs is but trivial compared to the content of his character! Jah will always create straight heterosexual man to reproduce.      Man is not dying out.      And what about brothers who say ''burn dem battyboy''? Do you think harming people is the Rasta way? It is not for you to harm! By playing God, by playing Jah, YOU ARE BLASPHEMISING and that brothers is WORSE than homosexuality!

Spread the message! Deliver Rastafari and it's people to the FUTURE! Only hate the hater.    Do not hate the lover! Do we not say ONE love?

[Oskar]

Do you say the same thing about stealing, killing and them other wickedness? Why would sexual perversion suddenly be right because one or two people put their mind to it? No, if it's wrong it's wrong. I don't promote it.

[Higher Love]

You missed the entire point.      Stealing is stealing from someone.      Thus, someone gets hurt.      Killing someone, well, I would imagine that also hurts someone [lest we forget Moses murdered].      All of what you mention DAMAGES ANOTHER PERSON.     

Two consenting adults having homosexual sex does NOT however, damage another living soul, so it is hard for me to want to say ''beat up dem batties''.      Excuse me if I sound rational here, but my hating and my beating them up produces more negative energy than what they are doing, making me a hypocrite, and of course in breach of ''judge not''.      Does hating gays and judging there actions as being bad suddenly matter more than loving everyone and not judging? And why? Which parts of the Ible are you brothers selectively praying/preying on? Why do some parts seem to override others when it suits you? Why do you have to be homophobic just because the prophets were? Prophets wrote many things into the Ible, corrupting it.    While it is sacred, it is blasphemous in itself to take it word for word.    Listen to the Ible in your heart.   

The books, as well as containing Jah's message, are also a product of there time.   Many of the books will have been written by people who believe the world to be flat.   Do you, thus, believe the world to be flat? What about the revelation of John? John clearly states in the revelation he witnessed angels ''at each corner of the earth''.   Oops!

Let the judgement rest with Jah.     Let the hatred rest with babylon.     As a rastaman I have no time for this homophobic nonsense.  I especially dont have time for comparing being gay to being a murderer.  

*Sigh* some people will take any excuse.     

[Oskar]

Well, the bible say sin is the destruction of the soul also. Your reasoning corruption of the soul is no damage? It's quite a step however from saying something is wrong to saying "beat them up". The bible is there to guide you not control others.

I was not comparing gay to murder I was reasoning on the "judge not" mentality. You could apply that to anything and thus promote it. Maybe it's the wrong topic.

[Higher Love]

Yes, wise words, but InI believe none of us are without sin.  All of us must exist with human temptations, and all of us must in some form exist within babylon madness and interact with it on a daily basis.  I am a rastaman but I pay tax, like it or not.  In a sense is that not directly funding the corrupt system that keeps my right to herb illegal? Much evil is in the world.  I believe Jah wants us to be happy and I believe that on the list of his prioritys for who is going to hell, a lot more people are high up on that list than two consenting adults of the same sex who love each other.

InI see the Ible on page as well as in my heart, and InI know that just because the prohets were homophobic, does not mean I as an individual has to be homophobic.  Jah love is universal in my eyes, and is for ALL those who love. 

The Ible also says simply looking at another woman with sexual intention is a sin.  This is natural for a heterosexual man.  None of us can help it! And what about original sin! We were all born with it! I believe the concept of 'Sin' has been reinforced by the christian churches to put fear in mans heart and fill their churches and pockets!

I do not fear, I do not hate, InI looks to the Ible's POSITIVE messages.  Not it's political by-products of it's time.

[Oskar]

Since when is sin or the wickedness of babylon an excuse for anything? Never has been and never will. Purify your own dutty self. We all have our work to do.

*Sigh* some people will take any excuse.

[Higher Love]

InI never said the sin of babylon was an excuse for anything, dont put words in rastamans mouth.  InI be merely illustrating how no man is free from sin, so judge not.  InI have no time to be wasting on my short journey on earth for hating gay men.  Let Jah be the judge.  Many of the prophets who spoke of gay men being sinful were themselves prejudice and not free from sin.

[Oskar]

Rasta is not homophobic. That would imply rasta fear sin. Rasta only fear the most high so rise and get out of it already.

[Higher Love]

Then why rasta even debate with InI? My argument is clearly against those who actively HATE and want to HARM gay men.

Shame rastaman ignored so many of my points again and again though. Nobody is free from sin. Not even the prophets. That is why we are told to judge not. Because Jah is the judge. Too many rastas using the Ible and Jah law as an excuse because they just dont like gay man. You a sinner too, homophobic rasta! We ALL sinners! And some sins are a lot worse than homosexuality!

These are facts!

Jah Praise

[Oskar]

No, rasta don't debate, only communicate to share some of the knowledge. I can see where the I argument is bredrin. Against those defending gayism are they so busy doing that that they cant see no sin can enter into JAH kingdom? You say "do not judge" yet you claim to know the extent of the sin? Humble yourself.

[Higher Love]

Jah is merciful. We are ALL with sin, it says so NUMEROUS times in the Ible. Does that mean NONE of us are getting into heaven? InI not think so!

Do you worship man or do you worship Jah? Because much of the Ible is man thinking he is Jah. What about man in the Ible thinking the world is flat? Do YOU think the world is flat?

What do you say to that?

[Oskar]

It is true that there is a lot of sin on this earth. I think what matters is if we try to better ourselves and not make sin an excuse for folly living. Everything was created for a purpose and I think we can find the true meaning if we honestly look for it.

I think the four corners of the earth is symbolic figure of speech. I don't see any proof that John was saying the earth is flat. Even a square can be bent in space anyhow. Why did Christ speak in parables again?

[Higher Love]

Now you have fell into the trap here too as I have. You mention christ speaks in parables which is very true, so whats not to say the first few chapters of Genesis are parables about the story of creation? InI believe the evidence supports evolution, but InI believe Jah is behind it all.

[Oskar]

I don't fear no trap. I don't have a problem with the bible either. Let me tell you it is fully possible to do either good or bad depending on your choice alone and Jah don't endorse folly living so go fall in your own trap.