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« Reply #135 on: July 24, 2010, 09:28:33 PM »

Elijah I rules all false rasta infiltrators and their webmaster's heads.
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« Reply #136 on: July 24, 2010, 11:17:26 PM »

He-lie-jah. But, I guess he is happy and proud of his lies.

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« Reply #137 on: July 25, 2010, 01:14:33 PM »

He-lie-jah

Do you see I calling people names here or anything like that !?

right is going to be right anyway
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« Reply #138 on: July 25, 2010, 09:04:50 PM »

right is going to be right anyway

LMAO. Just what I expected from you....Are you his puppet or what ?

When I said "Do you see I calling people names here or anything like that !?" you had to wait for this moment - right ? LOL. But, at the time I asked of you to do it you couldn't - right ? You were as still as a mouse at that time - right ? Well now you had your chance to point your finger. LMAO.

Get a life...and stop wasting I time. With that said I will cease to respond to the likes of you and He-lie-jah, unless you provoke I with insults, because you are all just wasting I time and all you are trying to do is to take this thread off topic.
You two seriously have some issues to deal with. LMAO.

PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit. (out of your lie-baal)

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« Reply #139 on: July 25, 2010, 09:56:13 PM »

"Elijah I rules all false rasta infiltrators and their webmaster's heads."

Does anyone care to explain to him he is in Cyber space?
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« Reply #140 on: July 25, 2010, 11:08:47 PM »

right is going to be right anyway

One more thing I forgot to mention. Something I just noticed - Why are you answering to a question that I asked 1080man anyway ?? It seems to I that you're the type of person that likes sticking his nose into other peoples business - right ? My question was directed at 1080man and not at you. You're looking for every opportunity now, no matter how silly it may be, to try and put I down because you all can't face the fyah I bring. That is a well known babylon trait. LMAO. What a sign of weakness........

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« Reply #141 on: July 26, 2010, 03:35:54 AM »

I will cease to respond to the likes of you [...], unless you provoke I with insults, because you are all just wasting I time and all you are trying to do is to take this thread off topic.

ok so, throwing insults is not going off topic? I was just pointing out some contradictions...

Matthew 7
"1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
 2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
 3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
 4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
 5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."


Why are you answering to a question that I asked 1080man anyway ??
If it was only for 1080man you should have posted a private message.
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« Reply #142 on: July 26, 2010, 07:30:52 PM »

Now lets take a look at some more contradictions in this book :

Should we judge ? :

Jesus is quoted in Matthew 7:1-2: “Judge not, that ye be not judged.  For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged.”  Also see Luke 6:37 & 1 Corinthians 5:12.  

Now take a look at “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment”  (John 7:24).  Also note 1 Corinthians 5:12 & 6:2-4.

Can we kill ? :

Exodus 20:13 says “thou shalt not kill”.

Exodus 32:27, Numbers 31, and THOUSANDS of other verses show God commanding to kill.

And now lets take a look at some of the Old Testament contradictions :

Man was created equal, male and female. Gen.1:27.
Woman was created as a companion to the man only after he rejected the animals. Gen.2:18-24.

Man was created after the plants. Gen.1:12, 26.
Man was created before the plants. Gen.2:5-9.

God encouraged reproduction. Gen.1:28.
He said it was an unclean process. Lev.12:1-8 (Note that bearing a daughter is more unclean than bearing a son).

Adam was to die the day he ate the forbidden fruit. Gen.2:17.
Adam lived 930 years. Gen.5:5.

God preferred Abel's offering to Cain's. Gen.4:4, 5.
God shows no partiality. 2 Chr.19:7; 2 Sam.14:14.

God sows discord. Gen.11:7-9.
God hates those who cause discord. Prov.6:16-19.

And now take a look at this :

Did mankind tamper with the Old Testament ? :

"And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, That Moses commanded the Levites(Jews), which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying, Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death? Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record against them. For I know that after my death ye will become utterly corrupt, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands.  (Deuteronomy 31:25-29)"  Here the Jews' hands are predicted to cause so much corruption (including corruption in the Bible).  

Jeremiah 8:8 below, confirmed the Bible corruption :

"How can you say we (the Jews) are wise and the law of the Lord is with us, when in fact the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie?  (Jeremiah 8:8 (Revised Standard Version))"

For countless ages, the only book of history available to Christians and Jews was the Old Testament. When someone wanted to know what happened in the past, they would go back and study the Old Testament to find the answer. New theories about history literally lived and died by their conformance to what the Old Testament taught. Then the discrepancies began to be noticed.

Once mankind began to study the Old Testament in detail, comparing the various passages which referred to the same topic in order to obtain as much detail as possible, they began to notice conflicting accounts of many matters as well as other problems. For instance, in the eleventh century, it was noticed that the list of Edomite kings in Genesis 36 names kings who lived long after Moses was dead. Then people began to notice such statements as "to this day" something is true, which implies that the author was looking back at these matters through history and has seen that they have endured.

After this, it was noticed that in the beginning verses of the OT manuscripts, Deuteronomy says: "These are the words that Moses spoke to the children of Israel across the Jordan...." They noticed that the words "across the Jordan" refers to people who are on the opposite side of the Jordan river to the author. But the alleged author, Moses himself, was never supposed to have been in Israel in his life.

It was also noticed that Moses speaks in detail in Deuteronomy 34:5-10 about how he died and where he was buried. Now ain't that something !

Moses also calls himself the most humble man on earth in Numbers 12:3 (would the most humble man on earth call himself the most humble man on earth?).

In Deuteronomy 34:10 we read "And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses." This also implies that the author was looking back at Moses through history a long time after Moses's death. Now the flood gates were opened and countless other discrepancies began to show up.

In the beginning, it was claimed that Moses wrote the Pentateuch (Five "books of Moses") and anyone contesting this fact would be severely punished or worse. However, when these matters started to become well known, it became necessary to find explanations. For example, the first explanation presented for the verses referring to the death of Moses was that Moses  had written his books, but that later prophets, as well as "inspired" scribes (who could also be considered prophets), had later on added on a couple of lines here and there. In this manner the text remained 100% the "inspiration" of God. This explanation, however, did not stand up to scrutiny because the style and literary characteristics of the verses are the same throughout. For instance, the verses which describe the death and burial of Moses exhibit the same literary characteristics as the verses before and after them.

After this, the trend became to explain any and all discrepancies through abstraction and elaborate interpretations, or through the introduction of additional narrative details that did not appear in the biblical text. Around this time, a startling new discovery was made. It was noticed that the stories in the five books of Moses were made up of doublets. A doublet is a case of one story being told twice. Even in the English translation of the Bible, the doublets are noticeable. These doublets have been masterfully intertwined so that they become one narrative.

For example, there are doublets of the creation of the world, the covenant between God and Abraham, the naming of Isaac, Abraham's claim that his wife Sarah was his sister, the story of Jacob's journey to Mesopotamia, Jacob's revelation at Beth-El,...etc. In many cases these doublets actually contradict one another. The apologists once again jumped up with an explanation in hand. They claimed that the doublets were complementary and not contradictory. It was claimed that they came to teach us a lesson by their "apparent" contradiction. However, this claim did not hold water for long. The reason is that not long after, it was discovered that when the doublets were separated into two separate accounts, each account was almost always consistent about the name of the deity that it used. One would always refer to God as Yahweh/Jehovah. This document was called "J." The other always referred to Him as Elohiym(Gods). It was called "E." There were various other literary characteristics which were then found to be common to one group or the other. It became obvious that someone had taken two separate accounts of the ministry of Moses , cut them up, and then woven them together quite masterfully so that their actions would not be discovered until countless centuries later.

Once this startling discovery was made, the Old Testament was once again placed under the scrutiny of scholars and it was discovered that the Pentateuch was not made up of two major source documents but FOUR. It was discovered that some stories were not only doublets, but triplets. Additional literary characteristics were identified for these documents. The third source was called P (for Priestly), and the fourth D (for Deuteronomy). In the end it was concluded that the first four "books of Moses" were the result of the merging of three separate accounts which were called J, E, and P, and the book of Deuteronomy was found to be a separate account which was called D. The person (or persons) who collected and intertwined these sources was called "The Redactor."

"D (DEUTERONOMIST). The designation of one of the principle literary sources or strata of the PENTATEUCH. The Deuteronomist was the editor or compiler of this source, which is roughly coextensive with the book of Deuteronomy"

The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, Abingdon Press, Vol. 1, p. 756

"E (ELOHIST). One of the principle narrative sources or strata of the PENTATEUCH. The term is derived from a Hebrew word for 'God' ... the use of which is characteristic of this source"

The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, Abingdon Press, Vol. 2, p. 1

"J. One of the principle narrative sources or strata of the PENTATEUCH. The symbol is derived from the personal name of God, Jehovah ... the use of which is characteristic of this source. It is commonly regarded as Judahite in origin, and somewhat earlier than E (tenth-ninth centuries B.C.)"

The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, Abingdon Press, Vol. 2, p. 777

"P. The designation of the so-called Priestly source of the PENTATEUCH. To this source are assigned most of the liturgical, genealogical, legal, and technical materials, connected by a bare minimum of narrative. The Priestly narrative is usually dated after the captivity, in the sixth or fifth century B.C."

Well, what about the rest of the Old Testament? Are the remaining books of the Old Testament known to have been preserved from change since the time of their first writing and truly to be the words of the claimed authors?

No! Groliers encyclopedia tells us:

".....Joshua tells of a thorough conquest of Canaan, but Judges contains traditions of the Hebrew tribes in the period before the monarchy that reveal the conquest as partial. The books of Samuel are about the founding of the monarchy under Saul and David and contain a magnificent early source for the life of David, probably written about 961-22 BC. All the above books have been extensively edited by writers who shared the theology of the D source."

Yale Professor Harold Bloom is the author of the book "Book Of J." His book goes to prove that the author of Pentateuch was not prophet Moses , rather, he believes that the Pentateuch, especially the oldest stories of Bible such as stories of Adam and Eve, Noah, Joseph and even Moses were the works of a woman, probably a descendant of King David in 10th century BC. Harold Bloom says that the "second-rate plagiarists" later formed scriptures out of her scripts.

Prof. Richard Friedman has also suggested that a woman contributed the OT which was later formally shaped as part of The Holy Bible. Though other scholars believe it was the work of a group of scholars and Jewish traditions. US NEWS & WORLD REPORT, Dec 10, 1990.

The famous 19th century French scholar, Alfred Loisy says :

"To explain the divinity of the sources, the Papal Commission of Biblical Studies declared, in a memorable decree, that Moses had secretaries. The secretaries of Moses! A brilliant discovery, to be sure!" LMAO.

"..[in the OT] too many sources, both oral and written, have joined together. And much of the tradition was added later: different hands have been at work at different periods combining and editing the various collections and books or parts of books. In many instances a later pen has glossed or interpreted the original text with his own additions, or tried to bring it up to date for his own age. Nowadays less and less attention is paid to the question of authenticity, which previously played a large part in Old Testament research. A new conception has arisen concerned with finding out what was the perpose behind these additions and with understanding the composition as such. Why did the redactor arrange the parts as we now know them - sometimes so unreconciled and so contradictory that the transitions and breaks are immediately recognizable?…"

We must first of all know that the entire Bible is corrupted and unreliable and is mostly filled with man-made laws and corruption!

"How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:Cool"

The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it (i.e., the bible) into a LIE.   (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:Cool"

In either translation, we clearly see that the Jews had so much corrupted the Bible with their man-made cultural laws, that they had turned the Bible into a lie!

See Also Deuteronomy 31:25-29 where Moses predicted the corruption/tampering of the Law (Bible) after his death.

The Book of Moses predicted that the Law (Bible) will get corrupted.  The Book of Jeremiah which came approximately 826 years after did indeed confirm this corruption.


I have much more to show concerning contradictions in the OT but, I will leave it at this point for now. I will continue to break it down step by step in due time.....

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« Reply #143 on: July 27, 2010, 12:18:26 PM »

[...]had so much corrupted the Bible with their man-made cultural laws, that they had turned the Bible into a lie![/b][...]

so who do you suppose should edit the bible?
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« Reply #144 on: July 27, 2010, 01:07:02 PM »

NO ONE BUT, GOD ALONE SHOULD. IF THIS BOOK REALLY WAS FROM GOD THEN THERE WOULD BE NO EDITING NECCESSARY SEEING THAT THE WORD OF GOD IS PERFECT.

Here are some definitons of the word "edit" :

1. to revise or correct, as a manuscript.  (DOES GOD NEED CORRECTION FROM MAN ?)
2. to add (usually fol. by in ). (DOES GOD NEED ANY ADDING TO HIS WORDS BY MAN ?)
3. to alter the arrangement of. (DOES GOD NEED ANY ARRANGEMENT TO HIS WORDS BY MAN ?)
4. to modify or add to (data or text). (DOES GOD ANY NEED MODIFICATIONS FROM MAN ?)

And here is what is even written in your book about that :

Deuteronomy 4:2  

Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.


Read that sentence very carefully - its means that if anything is edited then the commandments of GOD are not kept - they are nullified through editing. They become man made laws and are no longer the laws of GOD. They are then worthless.

I think that answers your question.

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« Reply #145 on: July 27, 2010, 04:42:18 PM »

I think that answers your question.

i'm sorry, my attention span is only rudimentary, was that the question about dominating your woman?
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« Reply #146 on: July 28, 2010, 12:39:31 AM »

Does what I said above contain anything at all about man dominating women ??

If you can't' remember your own question then re-read what you wrote - you don't have to search long to find it - it's on the same page. And then, when you noticed what I have said and what you have asked, add one and one together if you can.

It's funny that you were not so rudimentary when it came to your other statements right above this page.....

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I shall proceed from where I left off as I said I would :

How did the Church explain all these centuries of tampering ?

Due to the vast number of changes, omissions, additions and corrections of the Church that Christianity is beginning to discover, most of those who attempt to defend the actions of the Church are switching to a new tactic. That of trivialization of all changes. For example:

"...the rare parts about which there is still uncertainty do not affect in any way any doctrine"

Bible Translations, R.L. Sumner


In the book "The Story of the Manuscripts" by Rev. George E. Merrill, the Reverend quotes Prof. Arnold as stating:

"there are not more than fifteen hundred to two thousand places in which there is any uncertainty whatever as to the true text.."


Notice how the
Professor manages to first start by alleging that the number of "variant readings" are only a fraction of their true number (according to him only 1500-2000), this number being in the respected Professor's estimation quite minuscule. He then goes on to explain how all of them are undeserving of his attention with only about a dozen being of any doctrinal importance. In this manner, in one paragraph many thousands of additions, omissions, and "corrections" of the church over the ages are suddenly transformed to only a dozen and then quickly reduced to none. Notice how casually and quickly centuries of tampering with the text of the "inspired word of God" is brushed off and justified?. For such men the answer is very simple. All of the changes to the text are all "trivial" and "inconsequential." For them only a few thousand, or a few tens of thousands of errors in the "inspired word of God" is a very acceptable. For them it is just a matter of the "spirit" of the book. For them, some of the words of God are not really that important and can be disregarded. Let us see what Jeez-us, who they so believe in,  has to say about such people:

"But he (Jesus) answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.  (Matthew 4:4)"

We also read in the Old Testament:

"that he (God) might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every [word] that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.  (Deuteronomy 8:3)"

"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.  (Deuteronomy 4:2)"

Look at it this way. If I were to tell you: "I would like to cut a few small pieces from your body. No more than, say, thirty or forty pieces." Would you then reply: "Fine. So long as you do not cut off any 'important' or 'big' pieces."? Should we not deal with the scriptures of God the same way ?

This is something for you all to check into :

PR 30:5 Every word of God proves true.
1KI 22:23, 2CH 18:22, JE 4:10, JE 20:7, EZ 14:9 God deceives some of the prophets.
JE 8:8 The scribes (copyists, editors, teachers) falsify the word.
2TH 2:11-12 God deceives the wicked (to be able to condemn them).

Note: Not every word of God can prove true if God deceives anyone at all; teaching from the Bible cannot be trusted if the scribes falsify the word. In other words, the first reference is mutually exclusive with the other three. Thus, the Bible cannot be the perfect work of a perfect, all-powerful and loving God since one or more of the above references is obviously untrue. Note also: Some versions use the word "persuade" rather than "deceives." The context makes clear, however, that deception is involved.

I will leave it at that for now. I got more coming in due time.....

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« Reply #147 on: July 28, 2010, 03:56:08 AM »

i still don't get it

are you saying contradictions are good or bad, or is there simply no judgment involved?
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« Reply #148 on: July 29, 2010, 01:07:08 AM »

Well the lie-baal you believe in, holds the answer to that question itself :

"How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it (i.e., the bible) into a LIE. " - Jeremiah 8:8

If the "gospel" was indeed Divine and from GOD Almighty, then we wouldn't have this corruption.

So would it make sense to believe in a lie ? If one part of the seed is corrupt/rotten then the whole seed is corrupt/rotten and no tree/plant can rise up out of a corrupted/rotten seed.

Not only does the lie-baal contain man made lies but it also clearly speaks of books which are not even present in it. So how could it even be the complete Word of GOD if it itself is not complete ?

Question : Why does the Catholic lie-baal contain 73 books while the Protestant lie-baal has only 66 with both claiming to have the complete Word of God ?

There are twenty-two books mentioned in the lie-baal, but not included. Here is a part (I will write of the others in due time) of the list of the books mentioned :

1. Book of the Covenant :

Exodus 24:7  And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient.
There are those that believe the Book of the Covenant is found in Exodus chapters 20 through 23. There are no authoritative sources for this text.

2. Book of the Wars of the Lord :

Numbers 21:14  Wherefore it is said in the book of the wars of the Lord, What he did in the Red sea, and in the brooks of Arnon,
Certain sources believe that this is to be found by drawing text from several Old Testament books. There are no authoritative sources for this text.

3. Book of Jasher (Note: This book does exist but, is still omitted from the common lie-baal.) :

Joshua 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
2 Samuel 1:18 (Also he bade them teach the children of Judah the use of the bow: behold, it is written in the book of Jasher.)

4. The Manner of the Kingdom / Book of Statutes :

1 Samuel 10:25 Then Samuel told the people the manner of the kingdom, and wrote it in a book, and laid it up before the Lord. And Samuel sent all the people away, every man to his house.

5. Book of Samuel the Seer :

1 Chronicles 29:29  Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Samuel the seer, and in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the book of Gad the seer.

6. Book of Nathan the Prophet :

1 Chronicles 29:29  Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Samuel the seer, and in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the book of Gad the seer,
2 Chronicles 9:29  Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, first and last, are they not written in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer against Jeroboam the son of Nebat ?

7. Book of the Acts of Solomon :

1 Kings 11:41  And the rest of the acts of Solomon, and all that he did, and his wisdom, are they not written in the book of the acts of Solomon?

8. Book of Shemaiah the Prophet :

2 Chronicles 12:15  Now the acts of Rehoboam, first and last, are they not written in the book of Shemaiah the prophet, and of Iddo the seer concerning genealogies? And there were wars between Rehoboam and Jeroboam continually.

9. Book of the Prophecy of Abijah :

2 Chronicles 9:29  Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, first and last, are they not written in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer against Jeroboam the son of Nebat ?

10.Book of the Story of Prophet Iddo :

2 Chronicles 13:22  And the rest of the acts of Abijah, and his ways, and his sayings, are written in  the story of the prophet Iddo.

11.Book of the Visions of Iddo the Seer :

2 Chronicles 9:29  Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, first and last, are they not written in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer against Jeroboam the son of Nebat ?

So now I ask, is it wise to follow something you know to be a lie ? Is it wise to follow a book which is supposed to be the complete Word of GOD whilst knowing that it is uncomplete and corrupt ?

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« Reply #149 on: July 29, 2010, 04:04:07 AM »

lies are bad, m'kay? so don't lie, don't follow lies and pray to god that you know the difference.
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