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[prophet777]

Exactly.

@All

Now here is the list of the rest of the books that are missing :

12. Book of Iddo Genealogies :

2 Chronicles 12:15 Now the acts of Rehoboam, first and last, are they not written in the book of Shemaiah the prophet, and of Iddo the seer concerning genealogies? And there were wars between Rehoboam and Jeroboam continually.

13. Book of Jehu :

2 Chronicles 20:34  Now the rest of the acts of Jehoshaphat, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Jehu the son of Hanani, who is mentioned in the book of the kings of Israel.

14. Book of the Sayings of the Seers  (Note: This book does exist but, is still omitted from the common lie-baal.) :

2 Chronicles 33:19  His prayer also, and how God was intreated of him, and all his sin, and his trespass, and the places wherein he built high places, and set up groves and graven images, before he was humbled: behold, they are written among the sayings of the seers.

15. Book of Enoch  (Note: This book does exist but, is still omitted from the common lie-baal.) :

Jude 1:14   And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

16. Book of Gad the Seer :

1 Chronicles 29:29   Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Samuel the seer, and in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the book of Gad the seer,

17. Book of the Epistle to Corinth (Note: This book does exist but, is still omitted from the common lie-baal.) :

1 Corinthians 5:9  I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:

18. Book of the Epistle to the Ephesians  (Missing) :

Ephesians  3:3  How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,  4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)  

19. Book of the Epistle from Laodicea to the Colossians  (Missing) :

Colossians 4:16  And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.

20. Book of the Nazarene Prophecy Source :

Matthew 2:23  And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene

21. Book of the Acts of Uziah :

2 Chronicles 26:22  Now the rest of the acts of Uzziah, first and last, did Isaiah the prophet, the son of Amoz, write.

22. Book of the The Annals of King David :

1 Chronicles 27:24  Joab son of Zeruiah began to count the men but did not finish. Wrath came on Israel on account of this numbering, and the number was not entered in the book of the annals of King David.

23. Book of Jude, the Missing Epistle :

Jude 1:3  Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for meto write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

That is the list. Besides that, there are many more books not mentioned in the lie-baal that have been omitted from the common lie-baal e.g. The Books of the Apocrypha.

For now I will take a break from this thread and even though I have much much more, I have already given out more information than I intended to. I suggest that everyone interested in this should do their own research - you are sure to find out much more on this subject. I will be happy to give answers, as far as my knowledge goes, to serious questions if anyone has any.

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[Oskar]

if you think there is no truth outside the bible i think you have missed the point

[prophet777]

Who said I do not think there is "no truth outside" the lie-baal ? I KNOW that there is a whole lot of truth outside of it. Where do you think my information comes from ?
Most of this information that I have wrote is from outside the lie-baal. I have only used the lie-baal to show where the inconsistencies in it are in order that no one, who believes in it, can refute what it is that I am saying. Why do you think I call it "lie-baal" ??

I know exactly that the lie-baal, as it is now, is not based on truth. I know exactly where these stories in the lie-baal are stolen from so I know exactly that there are other REAL truths out there that are not in the lie-baal. I, for I self, do not depend on the lie-baal seeing that it is corrupt and full of man made lies. I do not depend on that book and I surely do not see it as being the sole Word of God. As a matter of fact I do not see it as being the Word of God at all because Gods Words do not hold lies and contradictions. That is why I have requested that everyone should do their own research instead of blindly following a book that holds no truth whilst believing it to be the sole Word of God which it definitely is not.

There is a whole lot of truth out there that was written down long before this lie-baal came in to existence. The stories in the lie-baal are from these sources/truths but, they have been changed and edited and put in a book they call the "Bible" in order for the church devils to have control over the masses. So if one is searching for that truth then one should seek for it outside of the lie-baal and see where all this is coming from.

I think you really need to re-read I posts because, you seem to be the only one here that does not overstand what it is I am saying....

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[Oskar]

don't worry, you can't say christ wasn't against the church(scribes pharisees) at that time. the story itself is in the bible. like reality there are some contradictions and no one is perfect

read the book and read it with overstanding

[prophet777]

Well your "christ" did not exist - at least not in the form presented in the lie-baal. And for your info - I have read the book, more than once, and I have overstood that it is a bunch of crap put together by the hands of man. So what is there to overstand ?? Man made fairytales ?? You need to read the real texts from where this whole thing is coming from before you talk.

Besides that if it was Gods word and Gods word is PERFECT then there would be NO contradictions. Or are you trying to tell I that God makes mistakes ?? Are you trying to tell I that God contradicts himself ?? LMAO. Some god that....

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[Oskar]

are you trying to tell I that God makes mistakes ??

i'm saying man in his ignorance might make mistakes trying to portray god

[prophet777]

True. As a matter of fact mankind already has made huge mistakes trying to portray GOD......

@All

Here is something I found in the Net that might interest some of you on this forum :

The Biblical Canon Of The Ethiopian Orthodox Church Today

R. W. Cowley

Ostkirchliche Studien, 1974, Volume 23, pp. 318-323.

The Biblical corpus is recognised in Ethiopia as a limited group of writings, and is generally called 'the 81 books'.[1] However, the canon lists found in Ethiopian MSS and printed books present many variations, and the study of the history of the canon offers a wide field for investigation.[2] This present study is concerned with the lesser problem of establishing the canon list considered to be normative today by the authorities most respected by the Ethiopian Orthodox Church.

The following difficulties were encountered in the course of the study: -

    1. The concept of canonicity is regarded more loosely than it is among most other churches.

    2. The number of canonical books is reckoned to be 81, but this total is reached in various ways.

    3. The naming of a book in a list does not necessarily uniquely identify it.

    4. Some of the books assigned canonical authority have never been printed in Geez, or only printed outside Ethiopia, or are difficult to obtain.

    5. The authorities of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church have never said of an edition of the Geez or Amharic Bible that it was complete.

Of the ancient sources recognised in Ethiopia, the principal ones containing canon lists are the books Sinodos and Fetha Nägäst. Sinodos is a collection of material attributed to the apostles and early church councils. Fetha Nägäst, the canon law, specifically cites Sinodos as its source in its section on the canon, and so has the same list; this list adds to the universally accepted canon at least the books Judith, Tobit, 2 books of Maccabees, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus and Pseudo-Josephus.[3]

As this list does not add up to 81, some more recent works enumerate further canonical books, further identify the ones listed in the Fetha Nägäst, and attempt to explain the discrepancy. These later lists fall into two main groups, one group having a broader canon, the other a narrower one, as follows: -

1. The Broader Canon

The main source for this is the traditional Amharic commentary on the Geez text of the Fetha Nägäst.[4] It gives 46 as the total for the books of the Old Testament, made up as follows: - Octateuch ( 8 ), Judith (1), Samuel and Kings (4), Chronicles (2), 1 Esdras and the Ezra Apocalypse (2), Esther (1), Tobit (1), Maccabees (2), Job (1), Psalms (1), books of Solomon (5),[5] Prophets (16), Ecclesiasticus (1), Pseudo-Josephus (1); Jubilees and Enoch are to be included in the number (by counting Samuel and Kings as only 2 books). It gives 35 as the total for the books of the New Testament, namely the Gospels (4), Acts (1), the Catholic epistles (7), the Pauline epistles (14), Revelation (1), Sinodos (4 sections), the Book of the Covenant (2 sections), Clement (1), Didascalia (1).

2. The Narrower Canon

This is listed in 'The Prayers of the Church',[6] and is the list of the books actually printed in the large Geez and Amharic diglot,[7] and Amharic[8] Bibles, issued by the Emperor's command. In this, the universally accepted 39 Old Testament books are counted as 40 by the separation of Messale (Prov. 1-24) and Tägsas (Prov. 25-31), and then 14 further books are listed as equally fully canonical, namely Enoch, Jubilees, Wisdom, 1 Esdras, Ezra Apocalypse, Judith, Tobit, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch, 'the rest of Jeremiah', book of Susanna, 'the rest of Daniel', 1 and 2 Maccabees. This brings the Old Testament total to 54, which together with the universally accepted 27 Old Testament books makes a total of 81.

The actual text of most of the books listed may conveniently be examined in the large Amharic, and Geez and Amharic diglot, Bibles mentioned above; and the following notes show where their text differs appreciably from the Hebrew, Greek or English: -

    1. The prayer of Menasseh appears as 13 numbered verses following 2 Chronicles 33 v. 12.

    2. Jubilees and Enoch have a different system of chapter division than that found in the editions of Dillmann, Charles and others.

    3. The Ezra Apocalypse (Ezra Sutu'el) has 13 chapters, being 4 Esdras 3-14 of the Vulgate. It does not include 5 and 6 Ezra.

    4. In Esther, Job, Psalms and Daniel the LXX additions are found in the Geez and Amharic.

    5. The 3 books of 'Maccabees' (Mäqabeyan), which are counted as 2 by the Canon Law Commentary by reckoning the 2nd and 3rd as one book, are not the same as any of the 4 LXX books of Maccabees, or as Pseudo-Josephus, which the Canon Law Commentary calls 'a further book of Maccabees'.[9]

    6. The accepted text of Jeremiah 1-52 is followed by Baruch (5 chapters, but shorter than the LXX text), and Säqoqawä Eremyas. The latter is made up of Lamentations (5 chapters), the epistle to the captives (Lam. 6), the prophecy against Pashhur (Lam. 7 v. 1-5)[10] and 'the rest of the words of Baruch' (4 Baruch, Lam. 7 v. 6-11 v. 63).

The books for which canonicity is claimed (at least by some authorities), but which are not included in these large editions of the Bible, have not been printed in Ethiopia at all; so for these one can only turn to MSS or to foreign printed editions. The books are the following: -

    1. 'Pseudo-Josephus', the book of Yosëf Wäldä Koryon, called Zëna Ayhud or Mäshäfä Serew, a history of the Jews in 8 parts, based on the writings of Josephus.[11]

    2. Sinodos, a book of church order. The part of it attributed to the apostles is traditionally divided into 4 sections, Ser`atä Seyon (30 canons), Te'ezaz (71 canons), Gessew (56 canons) and Abtelis (81 canons). Sinodos MSS contain more material than this, and their content and order are rather variable.[12]

    3. Clement (Qälëmentos) is a book in seven parts, communicated by Peter to Clement.[13] It is not the Roman or Corinthian correspondence, nor one of the parts of Sinodos, (namely Te'ezaz, Gessew or Abtelis, which are sometimes called 1, 2 and 3 Clement), nor part of the Syriac Octateuch of Clement.

    4. The Book of the Covenant (Mäshafä Kidan) is counted as 2 parts, firstly sections 1-60, mostly about Church order, and secondly section 61, a discourse of our Lord to his disciples in Galilee after his resurrection.[14]

    5. The Ethiopian Didascalia (Didesqelya),[15] a book of Church order in 43 chapters, distinct from the Didascalia Apostolorum, but similar to books I-VII of the so-called Apostolic Constitutions.

Conclusions

1. The canonicity of the books included in the large Geez and Amharic diglot, and large Amharic editions of the Bible, and in the 'narrower' Canon, can be regarded as undisputed in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church today. The former Emperor is reported as saying that these editions of the Bible are complete.[16]

2. From a traditionalist point of view the additional books of the 'broader' canon must be regarded as equally canonical; but it seems that in practice they may come to be regarded more as 'commentary' on the canonical books, and therefore as possessing only a derived authority.

3. Some European writers[17] allege that the 'Ascension of Isaiah' (Ergätä Isayeyas) and the 'Shepherd of Hermas' (Herma Näbiy) are generally regarded as canonical in Ethiopia. While this may have been true in the past, this study has not found it to be so at the present.

The writer is grateful to Fr. Dr. Ephräm Eising of Niederaltaich, W. Germany, and to Prof. E. Ullendorff of S.O.A.S., London, for advice concerning this study.

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[Oskar]

As a matter of fact mankind already has made huge mistakes trying to portray GOD......

"[...]The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strenght: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these." Mark 12:29-31

that isn't so bad, is it?

[rastafari]

"[...]The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strenght: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these." Mark 12:29-31

that isn't so bad, is it?

 It is when the G-d of Israel isn't your God.

[Oskar]

there were the earth and they were one people

it's what they quote is saying; love god, love yourself, love your neighbor.

[rastafari]

Israel still is one people, Among many. I overstand that you believe otherwise. But in this you are wrong. One cannot Love G-d if they do not know HIM. And the so called "God" that they love is nothing but an Idol. Clearly you are to one of them because you don't even recognize his people Israel from among the nations. Most likely because looking at your true self in contrast is too difficult.

[Oskar]

I'm not saying all people is Israel. I'm saying god is ONE.

Love god. Love yourself. Love your neighbor.

[prophet777]

LMAO. Here we go again.
The very same book you all believe in prooves that it was the Jews (Israel) who killed Jeez-us and the prophets. And not only that - it even says that they "please not GOD" and we all know what happens to those who "please not GOD."
Now and then you often get Christians who try and deny the fact that it was Jews who killed Jesus. Some Christians go out of their way to try and show it was really the Romans who had killed him. Specifically Christian Zionists are the popular ones who like to deny the fact that Jesus was killed by the Jews. Christians like to say this is just an anti-Jewish propaganda lie invented by those ‘Mohammedans’.

However so, let’s just see what Paul had to say on who killed Jeez-us and the prophets:

1 Thessalonians
Chapter 2 14-16:

For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: 15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: 16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

So to all you Zionist Christians out there, why do you comprise your own faith? Why do you deny something which Paul taught?  

We will leave those Zionist Christians to deal with this problem they face, what will they do now? Leave Christianity? LOL.

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Posted on: August 03, 2010, 12:14:19 PMAs a matter of fact this book is full of such. It shows how they transgressed against GOD many times. So much to them being the "chosen" people. LMAO. Here are more examples out of your book :

John 5:16 :
And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.

John 5:18 :
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

John 6:41 :
The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.

John 7:1 :
After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.

John 8:52 :
Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.

John 10:31 :
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

John 18:36 :
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

John 19:12 :
And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar.

Acts 13:45 :
But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.

Passage Romans 3:9 :
9What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;


AND HERE IS SOME VERY INTERESTING PARTS :

Romans 3:29 :
Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

Romans 9:24 :
Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

1 Corinthians 1:22 :
For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
1 Corinthians 1:23 :
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

1 Corinthians 12:13 :
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Revelation 2:9 :  
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.


Revelation 3:9 :
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Oh yes - the "chosen people." LMAO.

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Posted on: August 03, 2010, 12:43:45 PM

"[...]The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strenght: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these." Mark 12:29-31

that isn't so bad, is it?

It wouldn't be so bad if it really was the Words of GOD....Like I said before I for Iself refuse to believe in a book that is full of blunders and lies....

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Posted on: August 03, 2010, 12:49:52 PMMatthew 23

   1Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

   2Saying The scribes and the Pharisees (Jews) sit in Moses' seat:

   3All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

   4For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

   5But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

   6And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,

   7And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.

   8But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

   9And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

   10Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

   11But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

   12And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

   13But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

   14Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

   15Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

   16Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!

   17Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?

   18And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.

   19Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?

   20Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.

   21And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.

   22And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.

   23Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

   24Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

   25Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

   26Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

   27Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

   28Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

   29Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

   30And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

   31Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

   32Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

   33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

   34Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

   35That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

   36Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

   37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

   38Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

   39For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

This too, is out of your book.

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[Oskar]

I for Iself refuse to believe in a book that is full of blunders and lies....

i don't believe in a book simply because it is written, i believe in the truth because it is real

when i listen to god what i hear mostly is beyond words really

i'm not even sure he speaks english

[rastafari]

"The very same book you all believe in prooves that it was the Jews (Israel) who killed Jeez-us and the prophets."                                          Not if its a lie it doesn't.         "Oh yes - the "chosen people." LMAO."    Your so foolish as to try and use passages from a book you claim is a lie to prove something. LOL- Jokes on the False Rasta Massive Everytime!