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[rasmoses]

Irie, JAH people.
I was wondering...how would I handle mixing up with a Pagan/Homosexual sister?
It is really starting to trouble I.
As a Rastafari, I claim not to mix up with these things...but I own sister?
Bless up for any rasponse.
Ras Moses

[Nazarite I]

That is indeed difficult. I have had experience of similar.

A good friend of I came out as a lesbian some time ago but to be perfectly honest, she is still I friend. I will never stand for what she does but she is still I friend and she and I are still reasonably close even though I don't see her often since I moved away. She has helped I in times of trouble and I have helped her. She is a good wombman, despite her sins. I would not push the I's own sister away on the same grounds.

As for paganism, I also know people who would say that their religion is 'pagan' and I would not grudge them for their religion. What I and I put fire on when I and I are speaking of the 'pagans' doesn't tend to be those who would describe their religion as pagan. More those who are wicked and babylonian in their ways. True that those who are religious pagans are not living I and I Livity or praising the King of Kings but in some cases (although definitely nowhere near all) I have found that I and I share many things in common when it comes to Livity and morals.

What I think the I should do is to seek overstanding with the I's sister. Obviously the I cannot stand for the homosexuality but Reasoning with her over it and coming to a mutual overstanding will do more good than conflict.

Blessed love.

[prophet777]

True dat.

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[George]

It's not our place but babylons to opress anyone, especially your own sister

blessings

[Nazarite I]

I must ask how the idea of downpression came into this? I have heard many claim that I and I opposition to homosexualism amounts to downpression but every time the question must be asked how I and I could bring downpression on another, even if I and I wanted to, when I and I are in no position to do so. It is clear from other occasions I have seen you speaking about this that you consider I and I views to be downpressing on homosexuals but I cannot see how I and I holding the Livity I and I do affects them in any way. I have never heard or seen a case where I and I views have affected them. On the contrary, I have seen and heard of many cases where they have brought downpression on I and I through I and I opposition to their sin.
As it can be seen, I and I do not hate them, only their sin. In this time, the Righteous shall be Righteous still and the filthy shall filthy still.
As for whether it is babylon's place to downpress, that is simple foolishness. It is no man's place to downpress another man, babylon or not. That is what makes them babylon, that they forget their place and bring downpression on others to further their own goals.

Blessed love.

[prophet777]

I wanted to post a reply to ya George (some probably read it before I deleted it) but.....

Anyone that does not follow or, questions the rules of I and I FATHER can, and never will be, RASTA - simple. RASTA follow JAH rules. Anyone else, that claims RASTA and does not do HIS will, is just a hypocrite...Can I even put it more simple as that ?

For I to spread HIS message as a caution to mankind is not judgment ! It is I and I duty !

Did not the "Jesus" you all believe in say that we have to spread GODS words/teachings for the benefit of mankind?? Did not people come to him and claim he was "judging" for repeating the word of his FATHER ?? LOL. Same thing a gwaan right now...right ? Riiighttt!

Homo ways are not JAH ways so bun dem like JAH say !!! In the biblical days they used to be stoned to death...read your book ! They should be happy now that we bun dem spiritually only...What more ya want ? Like I have already said - they have been judged already. We are the "trumpets" you refuse to hear and most of them would like to do us like they did "Jesus"...LOL Those days are over ! Just like "Jesus" said...

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Posted on: March 26, 2011, 12:58:18 AMI am getting sick and tired of hearing this homopro talk pon here ! It is funny that you all had nothing to say when we speak against everything else that JAH nah like ! Like e.g., cigarettes, drugs, polititians, devils, lying, adultery,stealing, murder, cheating, alchohol (things the most of you all delve into ) etc.,etc., - These are all things JAH nah like ! And homo is another ! But, you homopros wanna make it harmless ? Then you may as well make the rest of the rules harmless as well (as you all probably do anyway). What does that make you then ? Homo....but definitely not a RASTA !! May Jah fyah bun ya all eternally with no apologies...

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[George]

Homopro talk?

my talk is pro human bredda

every man is welcomed to contribute an opinion towards a matter and every man is entitled to act upon his own will, whether or not Jah say it is right.

Our path is one that should be trod carefully without participating in these things that Jah nah like.

A man needs no bible to tell him what is right and wrong it is in his soul seen?

Iman nah read a book WRITTEN BY MAN

Iman nah follow laws WRITTEN BY MAN

Iman follow my soul.

I have reasoned on this many times but evolution of mind is key.

Open your mind, look into nature, wha a gwarn in nature? Because we are nature brother.

as you say

May Jah fyah bun ya all eternally with no apologies...

This board is for Rasta and Non Rasta alike to discuss rasta livity.

The assumptions made in your post about most of us partaking in 'cigarettes, drugs, polititians, devils, lying, adultery,stealing, murder, cheating, alchohol' are childish and ridiculous.

I am natty man

May Jah Bu'n me If I trod wrongly

blessings

[prophet777]

Homopro talk?

my talk is pro human bredda

every man is welcomed to contribute an opinion towards a matter and every man is entitled to act upon his own will, whether or not Jah say it is right.

Our path is one that should be trod carefully without participating in these things that Jah nah like.

A man needs no bible to tell him what is right and wrong it is in his soul seen?

Iman nah read a book WRITTEN BY MAN

Iman nah follow laws WRITTEN BY MAN

Iman follow my soul.

I have reasoned on this many times but evolution of mind is key.

Open your mind, look into nature, wha a gwarn in nature? Because we are nature brother.

as you say

This board is for Rasta and Non Rasta alike to discuss rasta livity.

The assumptions made in your post about most of us partaking in 'cigarettes, drugs, polititians, devils, lying, adultery,stealing, murder, cheating, alchohol' are childish and ridiculous.

I am natty man

May Jah Bu'n me If I trod wrongly

blessings

Pro human ? What is so pro human about making homo ways seem alright/harmless (like some have done/still do on this forum)? What is so pro human about letting kids believe that ?

Now, I am not saying that you do all these things but, ignoring these things does not make it any better...

And yes, like you said, it is in the soul. Now tell me how a man soul feels when he lays down with another man ? You can not tell me that them nah feel a sense of wrong in that act...

Just even the thought of people doing such makes I soul feel sick, so how much more the act ? Well, I guess some people just can't feel that or even choose to ignore it.

For example, just go out to a store and try and steal something just for the sake of stealing...If one has soul then one will feel it. One will indeed feel how wrong it is.

That is the same feeling, I bet you, man and man would feel when them participate in that ungodly act. Only - some ignore that feeling and go ahead doing what they are not supposed to be. Just like a thief. He may feel it as wrong at the start but, after a few times that feeling gets "turned off". The "evil" takes over that soul and some would even proudly boast about it (about what they are doing)....

Another thing - why are you feeling attacked by the "cigarettes, drugs, politicians, devils, lying, adultery,stealing, murder, cheating, alcohol" thing I said if you are not doing it ?? I would expect answers from those who are doing such seeing that it is addressed to them. I did not say "most of you on this forum" did I ?? If you all overstood it that way then let I reassure I did not mean it that way - seen ? When I said "most of you" I am still addressing those who support this evil act. Most people on this Forum do not. Seen ?

Most of the people who partake in the ungodly act of man and man partake in all the other evils I mentioned too and vice versa. That is just a fact....Now, if that does not show you/your soul already that it is wrong....

You don't even need soul or man written books to see that - just common sense.

I will leave you with these words that I got from Nazarite I on another thread (thanks for the words Idren). Words that come from HE who RASTA follow :

""Throughout history, it has been the inaction of those who could have acted; the indifference of those who should have known better; the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered most; that has made it possible for evil to triumph."
- H.I.M Haile Selassie I

Complacency is a sin too.

Blessed love."

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Posted on: March 30, 2011, 09:43:52 AMOne more thing - sorry for posting this all here - on this thread. Should have posted it elsewhere seeing that rasmoses was just seeking advice when he started this thread...My mistake...


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[George]

bredda man

I can see where you points come from and agree to some degree with some of the things you are saying

but to murder, steal, cheat, lie is an outwardly evil thing seen?

the way I see it Homosexuality isn't harming you or me or anyone, just the person committing the act

Also it looks like I did misunderstand what you said man and for that I apologize.

But think, is it better to not sin and better yourself, and your own soul or to criticize anothers lifestyle, I can't tell you how a man feels when he lies with another man, never been there bro, never will.

Sin is objective within a single Livity

Morals are subjective throughout the world

Iman am going to produce better results bettering myself rather than criticizing millions of others lol

and yes I apologize rasmoses, probably my fault bringing the debate back up again.

My view is that you are not mixing with pagan/homosexuality... you just live in proximity of it, you don't lie with the same sex and worship false idols do you? If not then all is good in your soul bro

blessings

[Nazarite I]

To put it bluntly, they are causing harm by trying to teach all to see no problem with what they are doing. Even in schools they teach that this sin is acceptable now and since you live in England, I'm sure you will have seen the same things I see when I turn on the tell-lie-vision. Graham Norton and Allan Carr and all this crap aimed at the youth. I and I can't stand for that foolishness, spreading sin all over. I and I put fire and brimstone on that with no apology.

[prophet777]

Bredren George, there is no need to apologize - we are all not perfect. I am not offended by your post. The only thing that vexes I is when "they" try to make "their thing" harmless. I mean they are even allowed to adopt kids now ! That hurts me too ! Excuse my explanation marks but, I am just "stressing/realizing" that point !

That, for I , is harm enough ! Ask those kids - when those kids come in to the ages to think for themselves - what they think...Most of them will just give you what they have heard unless you can ask what they FEEL...Find a way to get to what they FEEL (soul) - it is not nice...I have dealt with it.

Abused children find it hard to express what they FEEL or have been through.

Some of them homos have probably been in the same situations too...Not the majority but, some..."You" can twist it how "you" like but, all the twisting is not gonna make it right...

I have been saying and saying and saying it - RASTA speak out against it but, we never get physical unless we have no choice (self defense is what I mean)...Sometimes you have to use "harshness/fear" to stress the point but, we are never physical. Everyone know that !! But, "they" wanna make it seem like - "If RASTA rule the world RASTA would kill them all" - LMAO. That is not RASTA ! One of our first laws is "not to kill" - seen ?

And yet, (another point that vexes I even more) Rasta pays the biggest "cost" in all of this !! I have never seen christians or catholics or the pope being "gotten" for what they believe in. That is why I  can not agree to the way they handle this whole thing...

I surely hope we can deal with more important issues in the future. Homos have never interested I and I until the day they "stepped over the border" of JAH....And - I feel it is time to put them in place...Just like we do to all that try to "over step" JAH. It is not against them but, the "evil" that exist within them. Like Marley said :

"I and I nah come to fight flesh and blood but, spiritual wickedness in HIGH and LOW places."

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[rasmoses]

I and I don't seek your apology. I man want a change in your livity-before you claim to be Rasta. You are not Rasta if you condone the act of homo in any way...sorry brethren but that is the Truth. I care about Ras Tafari and when I call upon HIM name I never think about speaking up or defending those that commit murder and adultery and those things...so I will not condone any homo either. I and I wish to see a change in my family's livity so their lives can improve. Hope you see the light, and sorry I've been behind on I reasonings, I've been incarcerated by Babylon. Pray for I guidance and Itection.
Ras Moses

[prophet777]

"Throughout history, it has been the inaction of those who could have acted; the indifference of those who should have known better; the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered most; that has made it possible for evil to triumph." - H.I.M Haile Selassie I

@Ras Moses

I and I prayers are with you Idren.....

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[Kaya Omodele]

Greetings in the Name of His Imperial Majesty.  Blessed I.  More than Religion, Rasta Livity is a culture. . . a way of Life.  I have seen time and time again, people coming into a culture, taking what they want without accepting tenets and principles they do not agree with.  In this Livity, homosexually is not accepted-without doubt nor apology.  There are other tenets within Rasta Livity that people who just begin their trod would undoubtedly find "hard to conceptualize. " One cannot just take what one wants from a culture and change the rest. 
One more point: I and I do not need someone's written word to validate Rasta Livity. . .  The standfirm is IN the Livity Iself.