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[ErikIandI]

I'm a white rasta and i've been practicing a longgggg time, and what bothers me the most is the 6 principles by howell, i don't believe it's fair to say that whites are in-superior because there is no superiority in race, jah made us all equal and it says so in the scripture, that's my biggest bother with our religion, and i would do anything to stand up for this belief and this cause and change the beliefs of many.   I'm a good rasta, i follow the rules of our religion, i try to stay righteous and i keep my temper down and love all, but i can't believe the degradation of my race, it wasn't i that took my african brothers from home, and i definitely would never have done it.   why must i suffer for my ancestors mistakes? have i been racist? no.   i have loved all and would love for the love to circulate the same way and be accepted by all with open arms.   

Love and jah- Erik p.  s.   bob marley was half white. 

[SistahNatty]

Being Ras is not about the colour of your skin, JAH is not partial HIM not care whether you are White, Black, Blue, Yellow etc. . . .

JAH love us all, as we love all - again whether they are White, Black, Blue, Yellow etc. . . .

There is no room for Racism in Ras. 

Why can people not get passed this brainwashing? The colour of your skin is of no more significance than the colour of your eyes!

Stay true to yourself, Praise JAH and Give Thanks for the Blessing of Life, Bun those that try to knock you off your trod with ridiculous remarks regarding the colour of your skin.

JAHGuide and Protect

Oneness

[ErikIandI]

I experienced the racism when i was in Jamaica and members of rasta gangs were being critical of my skin.  but i understand Jah love, they can't bring me down.

[Nazarite I]

Could the Idren just have been critical for sake of Reasoning? There is plenty of foolishness I would put fire on in what you have written and if you came to I in person speaking it I would put fire on it also. Everything SistahNatty has written in reply is truth but I think there is more to this particular situation you are speaking of. In I and I Reasoning it is not uncommon for the fire to burn red hot on those who are new in the Reasoning. Fire can burn on anything for any reason, skin colour and social background included but there is definite purpose in it and racism is certainly no part of it. Firstly there is the need to break down barriers between the Idren and sometimes skin colour and social background will bring division into the Reasoning so fire must be burned to destroy those barriers. This can seem harsh and sometimes racist when those of fair complexion are involved but the purpose behind it is to launch a critical assault on the person's assumed superiority and break it down so that the Reasoning can flow naturally. You might think there is no assumed superiority, you might not even realise there is, but anyone raised in the heart of babylon ALWAYS has a vestige of it and for I and I to forward, it must be utterly downstroyed. Secondly, the fire serves as a test. A wicked heart will flee in the face of fire but a righteous mind will be humble and let the fire do it's work of purification. After all babylon thoughts and actions have been burned to ash, then the Reasoning starts proper.

In the spirit of that, allow I to do just such a thing with what you wrote at the beginning of this.
For a start, you don't seem to have any grasp of RastafarI as an African movement dealing primarily with African liberation and Black Ipremacy. No doubt I saying that will annoy you but again I think you lack overstanding of what I mean when I say Black Ipremacy. That is not Black ruling over and downpressing White, that is Africans regaining control of their own destiny and living up to the fullness where before they were denied every human right. For equal rights and justice to become a reality, not just an illusion. And the same applies to all people of the earth, Black, White, Chinese, Indian, Aborigine and all else. All must be free from babylon and through the falling of babylon, all righteous people will be liberated. The role that the Honorable Leonard Howell played in the development of that cannot be denied. True enough that the man was an advocate of hatred and that I and I now know to love not hate but without Howell, I and I livity would not have developed so I and I give honour to him as one of the great Patriarchs of RastafarI.
As for this speak of religion and 'following its rules', what does this have to do with RastafarI? I and I obey only the law of the Most High, not man made religions. A man following the 'rules of Rastafari' is not following the laws of Jah and so he is not a Rasta.
As for ancestors, that is interesting because last I checked, the slavemaster system those ancestors spawned was still going strong. I know for a fact that some of I ancestors had a hand in the slave trade. I personally did not, but they did and the system they helped to build is not gone. Africans are still trapped abroad in slums and ghettos. Native Americans are still living on reservations of their own land with their culture being eroded beneath them. Babylon is still going around the world, taking what it wants. You are not suffering for your ancestors mistakes, you are benefiting from it above all else if you have the ability and means to travel to Jamaica as a tourist. True that I also have seen the benefits of it. I have no doubt that parts of the computer I am writing this on were taken out of foreign lands with almost no benefit to the people who rightfully own it. The very reason I have a roof over my head and food on the shelf is because I am benefiting from the past wealth of the British Empire. But I know that this is not right and I apply Iself to works that will one day help to counteract the evils of this system. That is the inherent mission of I and I, to work towards the betterment of the situation through works and Livity. I and I know that Love is empty without justice, and for and I to show Love, I and I must work towards justice, not just speak of Love and show no action.
And I'm not quite sure what you were getting at with the final point about Bob Marley. Anyone who knows even the slightest thing about the man knows his father was a Welshman but perhaps if you could explain what you think the significance of that is, then I and I can forward in this Reasoning.

Blessed love.

[ErikIandI]

i was not trying to seem like i was insulting anyone in anyway and i understand in full the purpose and reason of the religion, but i believe with peace between all races and the inability to notice color babylon will fall, and africa will be returned.  i don't understand your malicious behavior to what i said for i intended no offense or discrimination, i was commenting on the unfairness i was put in in a certain situation, this is not a religion of color for we ALL are from Africa originally and we will no longer advance as a society until we overcame the evil that occured when the tower of babel fell, separation.  it was Jah's will that we overcome what had been done at the tower of babel so that one day we would stop trying to make a name for ourselves as men but to join together and praise Jah's name.  i fail to see where i was foolish, there is no foolishness in standing up for myself, there is foolishness in denying the fact that we are not all one, there is no difference between i and an african except melanin, we all originated in africa, therefore we all can return to africa together in peace, with no dicrimination.  also i never said sitting around and being peaceful would solve every problem, but there is a time for peace and a time for action and as shown in the scripture we only attack in protection for one another or in protection for JAH.  the world moves in circles and one day every rastaman will recieve his good karma and we will be granted what we deserve.  further more my ancestors had no part in the slave trade the lived as poor men and women in russia, oppressed themselves until recent migration.  as a matter of fact my blood is diluted with that of a russian and that of syrian, israelite, and egyptian blood.  and my point i was making with bob marley is that i have experienced the  lack of recognition for being a growing rasta man for my skin, yet bob was half white himself and he was a great rasta messenger loved and accepted by all.  I may not be the best rasta, i know i have a lot to learn and grow from, but i fail to believe the is any righteousness and reasoning in discrimination in another for skin.  Jah love and much peace to you my brotha
Posted on: April 05, 2011, 09:12:03 PMBrotha Nazarite, forgive my blindness, i recognize the fact that my people have done wrong and strengthend the babylon system, but allow me as a man of jah to make up for the mistakes of my people.  it is my goal in life to fight to reverse the evil done by the white man, but i would like the 6 priciples of howell to take notice in the fact that not every white man is a devil.  i am no where near as grown in my rasta life as you, but i want to reach it, and i hope you allow me to grow with you brotha.  i am no poseur, i am no babylon.  i want peace and to see my fellow rastaman to get back their righteous place.  but we all as rasta man can bring this back together, i would rebel in order to bring this back, i have and would again.  i want there to be a place for me in the kingdom of ethiopia.  I want David's blood line back on the thrown for it is the purest blood line.  Much love.

[Nazarite I]

Quite right that there is no Righteousness in the discrimination of people based on the colour of their skin, but I was not suggesting that I and I do that at all. Quite the opposite, I and I have no part in it and the process of Reasoning I have described is meant to fight against racism by bringing forward the equality of all participants. Many who have been submerged in babylon don't overstand how the fire works but I and I know that by burning out all vestiges of babylon though the powers of Word and Sound, I and I bring the Reasoning onto a level playing field. To many it may seem like mocking or a vehement verbal attack, but it is the best defence I and I have against babylonian mindsets. In many ways it is a test to see if Ones are ready to enter the Reasoning, to take them off of their pomps and pride and bring them down to sit in the dust with I and I. You may have seen I words there as malicious but in reality they were words of instruction. I pulled no punches and I know that what I said may well have offended you and challenged much you have held dear but I make no apology for saying it, for I saw much of what you were saying as foolishness and since you are a man seeking and claiming RastafarI, I must rebuke it and show error or else such things may be taken to be a part of I and I Livity.

There are still things you have said that I would call fire on but I will not at this time. Hopefully the I has gained some form of overstanding from this and I and I can carry on at a different time.

Blessed love.

[ErikIandI]

Brotha Nazarite, you speak true words, and i must accept what you have said as truth.  i'm on the path iself to starting to understand the reasoning and i must understand that there is fault in some of my philosophy but i want to put my faults behind I and grow further as a rasta man.  i have been on the path of the rasta man to gain enlightenment from Jah for years now, but it appears your growth is far past mine and i do not reject any of what you have said and i openly accept it, i would like to see your growth as a straight standing tree brotha and mine as young tree still a bit crooked but i would like to tie my growth to yours and therefore grow straighter my self as well as use the teachings of Jah and H. I. M.  as the greatest foundation to help my straight growth.  I's only goal is to help burn the babylon system and reunite all of man and to assure that the pure blood line of David, solomon and jah regain power and bring us all to peace, thank you for opening my mind that much more.  I will continue I's growth and i thank you for helping i grow that much more.  With much love brotha nazarite.

Jah love.

[Oskar]

greetings,

nuff reasonings has been made on this blood line talk. i don't have the time to type it all out right now. go to the search page on this forum and search for "blood" in posts made by user "Oskar"

just my humble opinion

[ErikIandI]

You're very wise oskar
Posted on: April 07, 2011, 05:21:35 AMi hope there are no negative interpretations of i, for that is not what i wanted. i would love to be appreciated by my rasta brothers, forgive me for any of my wrongs due to ignorance bredren. much love

[prophet777]

I'm a white rasta and i've been practicing a longgggg time, and what bothers me the most is the 6 principles by howell, i don't believe it's fair to say that whites are in-superior because there is no superiority in race, jah made us all equal and it says so in the scripture, that's my biggest bother with our religion, and i would do anything to stand up for this belief and this cause and change the beliefs of many.   I'm a good rasta, i follow the rules of our religion, i try to stay righteous and i keep my temper down and love all, but i can't believe the degradation of my race, it wasn't i that took my african brothers from home, and i definitely would never have done it.   why must i suffer for my ancestors mistakes? have i been racist? no.   i have loved all and would love for the love to circulate the same way and be accepted by all with open arms.  

Love and jah- Erik p.  s.   bob marley was half white.  

First of all, excuse I and I before I even go further - because you might see this as an attack but, I and I see it as what it is. I am not trying to be rude or such but.....

The first thing me nah like in your post is your opening sentence : "I'm a white rasta..."

Why ? Because you are already making a "race separation" with those words....So what are you trying to say ? That there are "white" and "black" Rasta ? Although I and I teachings say that we are all "one" ? And you are talking about "Some Rastas and Racism" ?

Then you bring Howell in your "modern way of "rasta" thinking" and fail to see that Howell was 80 years ago -  when things was MUCH different. Let me put it to you blunt : black people were still being hung by and under most of your all foretfathers rules...Blacks were still being oppressed back then - like now - only in different way (nowadays - with an accumulation of the same results).

If you were really a , as you say, "white rasta" then I would at least expect you to have the decency to know and accept that. Rasta was built out of that !! Rasta was one of the first, foremost and lognest that has faught that opression !

So how can you call it or even try and put it in the context of your "subject" i.e., "Some Rasta and Racism" by using such a lame explanation ? Are you trying to say that those who fight racism are themselves racist too ? LOL. That sounds like a racist explanation/con to me.

So we should rather just take it peacefully right ? And then all pray "Jesus" and "everything is gonna be alright" - Right ?

Well let me tell ya something - Jah only helps those who help themselves - seen ? Reality is what we live and not fantasy. Sorry for being so, as many see I posts, so "rude" but, c'mon let's be serious....

And then, and excuse me again - lol -  for seeing this,  but, you call RASTA a "religion". LMAO.

What I have noticed though, is that the most of you (people that make posts like you), always come with this "well I never did it and never would have done it...blablabla..."

Yes. Now that you "know" what a gwaan -  then - MAYBE not.

But, back then when your forefathers all thought that we were just "niggers" - I am sure you too would have thought the same - back then. Let us just look at the time and see what was - because that is how it was. That is how most your forefathers and their children thought back then........Sorry but, let us face some truth in our reasoning's if we are gonna reason at all.


P7

[rasmoses]

The least we can do is take a little racism-its not like we went through 400+ years of slavery. I and I know it wasn't us that put these people in captivity, but what do you expect? Empathize-would you be willing to distinguish between the good whites and the bad whites when your entire race has been downpressed for so long? Many grow up with stories about the white man-in I opinion, we deserve it. If it wasn't for I LORD KING AND IRATOR JAH RASTAFARI I would not hesitate to say I would be just like the lot of them-but JAH gives I strength.
If your referring to the whole "Whites Can't Be Rasta" thing, I wouldn't really call that Racism, just distrust. They were treated brutally and you can't take a few racist comments?
C'mon, Rasta.
I know "Racism" is wrong.
But it would be the least of I worries (By that I mean the comments towards whites) -Babylon is raging with terrorism, homosexuality, and all of that.
So just obey Jah call and continue to do HIM works.
Ras Moses

[Fraser]

Racists are so angry  >:(

[JAHwalkwidme]

Greetings

P7, although I agree with some of your statement, I think your tone is unnecessarily aggressive.  I agree some things he is saying sound ignorant, but did you not start somewhere similar?  Rasta not a destination it is a trod, and you can't be at step 7 and laugh at man on step 2, seen?

I think all he is trying to say, however inelegantly, is that he feels judged rather than accepted by other Rasta which is a perfectly valid claim as often black Rastas are implicitly accepted, whereas whites often have to 'prove' their validity.  This is understandable due to the views held by the majority of white people.  However, there are plenty of black dread man posing and being accepted as Rasta.

I think the difference between white supremacy and racism on an individual level, although they are linked, needs to be stressed here.  I don't think (though can't assume) that the original poster believes the fight against white supremacy is in any way comparable with the 'racism' he has experienced personally.

And yes, those who fight racism can themselves be racist.  I have met many misguided Rasta who profess hate for all white man and woman.  Again, this is understandable, but neither logical nor in Jah teaching or spirit.  Agitation against the white man does not make someone blameless nor faultless.

And you say he would have seen black people in the way of all others. The very fact he is a 'white rasta' and has listened to advice here shows that in fact he is a truth seeker and is not scared to go against what others are doing.  Give the man some credit.

I agree with a lot of what you have said and agree the man needs some education.  But the aggression you are giving is unnecessary and not in Jah spirit.

Iyah love.

[prophet777]

Since when has truth become "racist" ?? Can someone please explain ?
And since when is truth , as you say, "aggressive" ?

And then you say that that is "not in Jah Spirit" ??

Is letting people believe, and live in lies in "Jah Spirit"  - according to "Jah Spirit" ??

Since when has it become "aggressive" for telling the undiluted and pure truth of a matter - regardless what that matter is ??
Even Jeez_us did not take no BS when it came to telling the truth so why should I ?? Are you trying to tell I that HIM was too aggressive too for telling it like it was ??
I you trying to tell I that HIM was not in "Jah Spirit" for speaking it out like it is ??

Are we, RASTA, not the followers of HIM who is RASTAFARI ?? So how can that not be in "Jah Spirit" when we take the examples and words of HIM who is the "Head" of RASTA ?? Explain please.....??

Why do people see this as being "aggressive" ??
If I am "aggressive" then so was Bob, HIM, Tosh, Marcus Garvey and all the other "HEADS" of RASTA  "aggressive" too...LOL. Does that make sense ??
Figure it out....

And, I am not trying to be rude - just stating a fact. There is no such thing as "counter racism" - LMAO. How can any of you call it that ??
So if I fight against racism/injustice/wrong by any means necessary then I am the "agitator" all of a sudden ?? LMAO. Does that make any sense ??
Figure it out....

Those are just racist tricks to try and make the victim shut up. Try to make the victim the aggressor - look like he is the cause of the problem...LMAO. Well - I my friend - do not fall for that babylon trick.

If my words seem aggressive to you then so be it. But, if you would take time to really overstand it, then maybe you would recognize that that all is in the SPIRIT of JAH - whether you like it or not....

Lying and, hiding the "truth" of any matter, on the other hand.......

P7

[JAHwalkwidme]

I full heartedly agree with everything you originally said to the man.  InI think every point you made was valid, and useful for the instruction of the man.  InI agree everything you said was truth.

The truth is not racist.  And the truth is not aggressive.  InI am assuming the point you are making is that the truth is ugly to a lot of people and not what they want to hear.  And to that I also entirely agree.

It is not the CONTENT of what you were saying that was my issue.  It is the MANNER of your delivery.  It is hard for me to see love in your post. For someone so early in the trod as this man clearly is, he may feel personally hurt and feel you have mocked him as a person, which I know is not your intent.  He needs to be taught, and to overstand the importance of the lesson, but taught with Jah love.  Not concealing any truth, not changing anything, but teaching in a respectful manner.  I do not have respect for his ignorance of course but InI have respect for him as he is my Brother.  I also consider his good intentions and his (so far unsuccessful) attempts to distance himself from Babylon by Rasta Livity.

I do not want the truth diluted or concealed.  I think your manner of expression is understandable, but possibly not the most beneficial in aiding the man in his growth, which must be the motivation for your posting.