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[BongoLevi]

Bless Iyahs,

just wanted to hail the massive dis blessed morning.  Big up di whole crew, di rasta dem, di jew dem.  Big up the Nation of Islam, big up the Roman Zion Church.  Remember fi tell di yutes dat abstinence mek sense.  We nuh need no more war.  SEVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEN!

[rasmoses]

Mutual,
Big up to the I as well.
I was just wondering.
I have been reading about Islam for a while.
And how does Islam intertwine with Rastafari?
We do share a lot ot things-like forgetting worldly Babylon things is the main one.
I know Islam a religion and Rastafari a way of life.
And how come so many claim to be both?
Is it because both are for black liberation?

Raspect and if you get a chance, tell I of your culture in JAH-MAKE-YA.
Ras Moses

[supereuropa]

No love for Nation of Islam from me.

[Nazarite I]

And why is that?

True that I don't see eye to eye with them on all things but I will not deny that some of their works are progressiveness. Love to them for that at least.

Blessed love.

[supereuropa]

They're saying that black people are above all and white people are "potential humans". They're believing in something like a holy UFO. They're pretty racist in my opinion...

[RasKunte]

Well yuh dun kno if you waan know about Islam you should pick up a Quran, seen?

Di Nation of Islam sumtin else, formed a thousand years later or suppem by an ITES black mon inna New York. All about black powa and acknowledgin nuff white mon dem evil. Its like Rasta-lite for di Americans dem, zeen? Jamaican blood inna mi veins tho, so nuff Selassie I pum-pum inna d buildin.

ps: Before ya start ya daytime drama episodes - Rasta say ONE blood, cite? NOI just dont agree wit dat...

[rasmoses]

supereuropa,

'Tis true that NOI is not adjustable with I livity, but it helped to give black people in the civil rights movement a sense of self-respect. I am a huge supporter of Malcolm X and the way that he approached the movement. Malcolm X once believed that all white men were the devil, but once he went to Mecca (the Holy City of Islam), he met many white people that wanted the same things he did. He saw racial harmony for the first time, which motivated him to seek that same thing here in the states where I currently reside. If Malcolm X was to live longer than he did, I wouldn't see as many black people forgetting about their culture and being so much like the white man and actually having integrity for themselves. But just like everyone else that actually tried to improve our world, he was assassinated. So the point is, you obviously don't know that much about NOI and its principles. You hear about the propaganda on television that all Islamic sects are terrorists when really only one sect of their religion (the Jihad) hates what they call "Infidels". Muslims are actually very peaceful people and want the same things as Christians. Your naivete is very evident when you say you have no love for something that helped liberate our brothers of the black race. Of course, Malcolm X is just one, but was the most public spokesperson for the NOI, and I'm sure that he helped change other members as well in the movement.

Ras

[prophet777]

Very exact and nicely said rasmoses. I totally agree. Malcolm is one of our heroes/prophets/kings.
I mean when another race (in this case the white race) sets dogs on you, your mothers, your children, older men and women and you are treated like subhuman what other reaction can you expect ??
Do you really think we should keep on turning the other cheek ? LMAO. HELL MTF no.

If it was for Martin Luther King we still would not be free ! We still would be singing "we shall overcome" whilst getting our asses whipped !

People like Malcolm brought about the REAL change - yesterday and not tomorrow ! Ballot or bullet style.

I have more raspect for Malcolm and his version of the NOI than I could ever have for a "turn the cheek" leader.

Even I and I KING took up arms, physically, and fought the downpressors...No "turn the other cheek" dumbness....

P7

[supereuropa]

RasMoses, don't get me wrong, I'm not against Islam, I'm just against NOI. I also support Malcolm X, too, and he was assassinated by members of NOI.

[prophet777]

RasMoses, don't get me wrong, I'm not against Islam, I'm just against NOI. I also support Malcolm X, too, and he was assassinated by members of NOI.

Malcolm was not assassinated by members of the NOI - LMAO. That is what babylon want you to believe. Divide and conquer - seen ?

Malcolm was assassinated by the FBI and CIA and the white supremacist fools who were in rule at that time. They may have used some idiot fools in the NOI to carry out their plans but, who is responsible ??

Stop looking at the "branches and leaves" and get to the "roots" if you want to know the truth...

P7

[rasmoses]

prophet77, I agree with a lot of your posts, and I think the I is a very good Rasta, big up for that. Thank you for overstanding what I and I had to say. @supereropa: Malcolm X IS essentially NOI.When you think of NOI you dont think of Elijah Muhammad, you think of Malcolm X. He was the key spokesperson for the movement, and as NOI is not as active as it was, back then it was needed. How would the I feel if slavemasters came to your country and told you to rearrange everything that makes YOU an INDIVIDUAL? NOI WAS NESSCARY JAH CHOSE IT TO BE ON THIS EARTH AND IN SOME APECTS IT IS STILL NESSCARY TODAY FOR IN I COUNTRY COUNTLESS AFRICANS ARE BEING DOWNPRESSED AND KILLED EVERY DAY. SLAVERY STILL GO ON.

[prophet777]

prophet77, I agree with a lot of your posts, and I think the I is a very good Rasta, big up for that. Thank you for overstanding what I and I had to say. @supereropa: Malcolm X IS essentially NOI.When you think of NOI you dont think of Elijah Muhammad, you think of Malcolm X. He was the key spokesperson for the movement, and as NOI is not as active as it was, back then it was needed. How would the I feel if slavemasters came to your country and told you to rearrange everything that makes YOU an INDIVIDUAL? NOI WAS NESSCARY JAH CHOSE IT TO BE ON THIS EARTH AND IN SOME APECTS IT IS STILL NESSCARY TODAY FOR IN I COUNTRY COUNTLESS AFRICANS ARE BEING DOWNPRESSED AND KILLED EVERY DAY. SLAVERY STILL GO ON.

Raspect Idren. Truth must be told.

P7

[supereuropa]

Louis Farrakhan said the following: "We don't give a damn about no white man law if you attack what we love. And frankly, it ain't none of your business. What do you got to say about it? Did you teach Malcolm? Did you make Malcolm? Did you clean up Malcolm? Did you put Malcolm out before the world? Was Malcolm your traitor or ours? And if we dealt with him like a nation deals with a traitor, what the hell business is it of yours? You just shut your mouth, and stay out of it. Because in the future, we gonna become a nation. And a nation gotta be able to deal with traitors and cutthroats and turncoats. The white man deals with his. The Jews deal with theirs." NOI killed Malcolm. If NOI was so useful in that time, why did Malcolm leave it then?   NOI is just stereotyping all white people.

[surfmon~I]

It was only after Malcom's Pilgrimage to Mecca that the thought of racial harmony came to the forefront of his philosophy.  Up until that point, there was racial division in Amerikkka and his stance was contrary to the civil rights movement due to his advocating segregation, and  he was also at odds with Elijah Mohammed and the NOI until he left to form Muslim mosque Inc.

The heat of Racism fans the flames of Hate.  In many of the most influential and powerful leaders of the 20th century, the result of such extreemist philosophy is death.  But, If the message can withStand the heat, the transformation is a truth that can only lift up.  It is a Universal Truth that applies to ALL.  Not all get it, and not all see.  Stuck in person to person conflict this mind will be entrapped until the truth of the One is Known.  We are one.  similar, not the same, to each other.  We each have that spark of The Most I withIn. 
  There are many messenJahs that come tell the same message...and right now John Lennon's Imagine comes to mind...."and the World will Live as One."

[JAHwalkwidme]

I do not know a massive amount about the NOI, but I remember reading somewhere of the belief that white people were created by a 'mad evil scientist'-type figure.  And the Nation of Islam do hold strong beliefs regarding race.  However, I am inclined to think that that story is seen as an illustration, rather than an actual historical event.  The NOI was born in a time where black people in America had very little self-knowledge and belief, and these kind of extreme teachings were maybe necessary or the most effective method.

I do not know about the NOI, but I do know that it does not mean that a movement is racist or it is putting one race above another, just because it is separatist.  Many people have said they advocate the races living in harmony, but ONLY after the black man race has united and strengthened.  It seems the white man wants the black race to 'dissolve' into the West and become cultureless.  Black people already take Western names (due to slavery and colonialism) and the lines between Western white and black people are sometimes non-existent.  This is integration and is not truly the races living in harmony.

I can't recall who at this moment, but a particular man stated that the black race have to develop its 'special talents' as other races have in order to gain respect from the other races and therefore be able to live alongside them harmoniously.  THe black man politically right now is seen as expendable, not contributing anything, basically to be exploited and used at any opportunity.  Black people need to unite in order to defend themselves against Babylon, then bring it down by any means they consider justified (education, violence, whatever...).  Essentially RasTafarI is one of these movements.

Some separatist movements may seem racist and hate-fuelled, but they have done a great deal of good.  Better a black man hating the white man than a black man hating himself.