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[joseph]

I have been living as Rastafari for about two years now, I feel I ready and feel I want to be Baptised as Rastafari.
I live in the UK so does any I know where I can get Baptised? I don't mind where in the UK I can travel.

Blessed Ites

[supereuropa]

You baptize yourself only with Jah alone while living the life of Rastafari. I myself don't think physical baptising is necessary.

[Stevesc]

Rasta nah have popes and higher men like the Babylon religion. InI know Jah Iselves.

[Nazarite I]

None of that says that I and I don't have baptism. Plenty of RastafarI people have been baptised into I and I faith or even the Ethiopian Orthodox Church as an important step on the trod. Many Elders will baptise newborn children or even adults, so find a Nyahbinghi Elder in the area Joseph and Reason on baptism.

Blessed love.

[JAHwalkwidme]

Though I cannot say I know what they are for I take no interest in baptism, if the I wants to do so, I know the Twelve Tribes perform ceremonies of some sort.

Iyah love and peace

[Knowledge]

Baptism - Really??

Wow it makes one wonder what some people a really a deal with. If you really think that having water dashed pon you (or being dunked) is something Godly, for the want of a better term, then it look like the system really have you. It's better that you seek for the divine consciousness that is inherent within all us all than to get caught up inna foolishness (paganism).

By the way, from the time you mention Twelve Tribes, then why am I not surprised.

 

[Nazarite I]

Don't come bringing that division here, especially over something like that. Seems to I that you love all this division over baptism and bible more than you love RastafarI. In I Fathers house there are many mansions, but all are One because I and I Live and work for the same thing. Whether it is the ancient foundation order of the Nyahbinghi, priestly order of the Bobo Shanti, or even Twelve Tribes, I and I must forward as One, and woe to any man that tries to bring division among I and I over petty matters. For all your talk of people being trapped by the system, you're the one coming here talking all this division about baptism when I and I are supposed to be Initing. That divine consciousness you keep professing should show you how wicked that is because I see it clear as day. How is the RastafarI nation meant to move forwards when there are still people trying to denounce their brothers and sisters over baptism or bible? I have said it before and I will say it again, that such behavior has no place whatsoever in RastafarI.

His Imperial Majesty Haile Selassie I, I and I God and King, was BAPTISED by that name. It was the name given to Him at birth that was also taken as His coronation title, so let no man say that RastafarI can't partake in the sacrament of baptism, whether by a Bobo, Binghi, Twelve Tribes or Ethiopian Orthodox priest.

Blessed love.

[umas]

The sentiment Knowledge expressed has it's place....there is room for differences of opinion; although it could have been expressed with somewhat more subtlety, but that said, each one has a individual way...
 For the wisdom and insight NazariteI expressed elsewhere I applaude; here whilst I appreciate the I's opinion, I feel that making a catergorical statement regarding acceptable behaviour in this respect goes too far - freedom of thought and differences of opinion are givens within Rastafari.
  If ones wish to be baptised- fine. If ones hold it in low or dis-regard, fine. As with any philosophy there will always be that which is solid and immoveable as well as that which shifts around, seen?

[Nazarite I]

Of course there is freedom of thought, and nothing I said goes against that. What I said was unacceptable was allowing that to manifest as division by denouncing Ones for their thought and saying this and that about whatever mansion or position. That has absolutely no place among I and I and I make no apology for saying so. These are serious times and they are going to get more and more serious as time unfolds. I and I know that babylon rules through division so I and I as RastafarI must be Inited no matter what books I and I read, which mansion I and I are part of or whether or not I and I have been baptised. Anyone bringing the kind of talk I read from knowledge yesterday can either get back to babylon where that kind of division still flies or learn some humbleness, because it has no place in Zion.

Blessed love.

[Knowledge]

How you so church minded? You're allowing dem institutional nonsense to mad you! Remember that the real Yashua the denouncer of the Romans (circa 300 BC), who they based the biblical Jesus aka Joshua Ben Joseph upon, wasn't baptized. That is a Babylonian ting re introduced by the very same Romans who hung him from the tree. So please, less of the tone (and gnashing of teeth).

Mi bredrin I notice you like to use Selassie I to justify certain tings, i.e. "H.I.M. visit every church in which ever country he visited!!" Like that really means anything. Only an ex-churchgoer is going to bring that foolishness to I and I and I, who done know already, that the only real temple is the structure of man and not the building of men. One ting you mustn't forget, is that We done know about H.I.M and his works bout yah and we don't try mix it up inna foolishness seen.

You (and not I) make mention of the term division.  I just wrote food for thought. But it seems that the contemplation of a truth has the
effect of angering you!! As for Bobo Shanti, Nyahbinghi etc,  - everybody have them view - I don't fight that.  But don't gwaan like you a de world authority about Rastafari - cause I can assure you that you are certainly not. From how you a rail up and a chat about the bible (Babylonian version at that) and don't know anything about what's really going on then I find you to be - well lets just say- over zealous. 

Just calm down and open your mind rather and simply resorting to a knee jerk reaction. What a ting when a one can't reason. You should remember or learn (whichever suits) that when a wise man hears a rebuke, him feel shame and will hold his corner and even give thanks too, but when a fool hears de same rebuke as the wise man heard, a argument him start look, Like I done told you already, when you hear something swirl it around consciousness and use your critical faculties before you start railing up.

One Love (still)

[Oskar]

I hate racism. If you are for or against baptism don't even fit on the scale of importance. Respect of other people faith though as long as they don't disregard others is corner stone to peaceful livity.

[Nazarite I]

I don't know where you're getting this idea of church mindedness from, because other than perhaps I cousins christening when I was perhaps five or six, I've never attended a church service in I life. I have never in I life called Iself a Christian or been baptised into any church, RastafarI or not, so put away your preconceptions and get off your pomps and pride.

As for the example of His Imperial Majesty, I don't see why you fight it so much when He said in His own words and through His own works that there is absolutely nothing wrong with the practice of baptism or with the reading of scripture in whatever form. Whether or not the man Yeshua was actually baptised is completely irrelevant to this, though I would be quite interested to know how you figure you know for certain that He wasn't when the man lived more than 2000 years ago. None of what you speak of has any bearing to the knowledge that the body is the true temple of the Most High. Reading scripture does not negate that knowledge. Being baptised does not negate that knowledge. Even visiting a church does not negate that knowledge. For many they will even enhance that knowledge. Just speak to any Ras who has visited the rock carved churches of Lalibela where His Majesty prayed, been baptised in the spring water and reads his bible a chapter a day. Chances are you'll be speaking to a true Lion who knows Himself for the Lion that He is.

As for division, I bring it up with good reason. When you come talking with a ton of sarcasm and condescending talk and go on to make vague negative remarks about I and I brothers and sisters in the Twelve Tribes of Isreal who forward with so many good works, I see nothing but division there. In Ethiopia and the wider world where I and I brothers and sisters are Initing to forward with the King's works in this time, there is no place whatsoever for such foolish talk. That is no knee jerk reaction, that is I critical faculties ringing all sorts of alarm bells that this man coming with this talk doesn't have true and unconditional love for his brothers and sisters. In Shashamane where RastafarI people have perhaps had the greatest success so far in I and I works, it is because I and I work with one another with no division between Bobo, Binghi, Twelve Tribes or EWF. Even on baptism, the patriarch Congo Rocky said that it was simply foolishness to argue over it when His Majesty already set the order. If tomorrow, when I and I are gathering at Fairfield House, I and I turned away Twelve Tribes because it is a Nyahbinghi hosted event, or said "only baptised/non-baptised can enter here" and gave it all this sarcasm I get from you, then I and I would be no better than babylon.

If you want to Reason on a level then by all means I can Reason, but until you burn out all this condescension and division like you're standing on a little pedestal then I won't give you the time of day.

[prophet777]

This is just my view : The only people who argue about Jah is ones who do not KNOW HIM. Simple. Like Marley said "If you get down and you quarrel every day - you're saying prayers to the devil I seh."

I hope these very wise words, that are not from I, can help all of you all further ? They are from a wise INDIGENOUS "AMERICAN" :

"Your Religious Calling was written on Plates of Stone by the flaming finger of an angry God. Our religion was established by the traditions of our Ancestors, the dreams of our Elders, that are given to them in the silent hours of night by the Great Spirit, and the premonitions of the learned beings. It is written in the hearts of our people, thus: We do not require churches, which would only lead us to argue about God. We do not wish this. Earthly things may be argued about with men, but we never argue over God. And the thought that white men should rule over Nature and change its ways following his liking was never understood by the red man (or any other indigenous man). Our belief is that the Great Spirit has created all things. Not just mankind, but all animals, all plants, all rocks, all on earth and amongst the stars, with true soul. For us all, life is holy. But, you do not understand our prayers when we address the sun, moon, and winds. You have judged us without understanding, only because our prayers are different. But we are able to live in harmony with all of Nature. All of Nature is within us and we are part of all Nature." - CHIEF WHITE CLOUD ("WHITE" CLOUD - I know but, sometimes clouds are "white" and sometimes "black")

Any other thing is senseless to those who have wisdom....

HIM was not only "learned" in the "LIE - BLE" but, in many other books you probably know nothing of - FACT.

The LIE-BLE has the KEY to the TRUTH - FACT. BUT, only if you are not partial and can overstand it....

It is a book written by the hands of the GREAT SPIRIT, IN AFRICA, and defiled by the hands of the DEVIL in babylon.
That is why HIM accepted it ! Because HIM was capable to overtsand it and to loose its "seals" from the "LIE" in the "BLE".

Many Africans, as well, are defiled by the very same DEVILS who corrupted it...- FACT !

It has been a long time....

P7
Posted on: November 12, 2011, 02:27:05 AMSpiritual babtism - seen ? Babtised in the pure FYAH of HE who IS.

Even your "LIE . BLE" say :

But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?

John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:


So go on and go to "church" and be baptized by water...LOL

P7

[Knowledge]

Nazarite

I have just read you latest rant and feel that I must answer you and also correct some of your more
delusional aspersions regarding I nI.

I originally wrote my own "free" thought/opinion on baptism (without bearing any particular individual in mind) which incidentally is based upon
facts.  However, as soon as you read it, it seems the zealousness/intolerance rose up in you and your knee jerk response was rant and rave about "not to come bringing in that division here"! Your words not mine.  I noted that you chose to take that negative line, rather than to try to engage in reasoning. You then went on to make  sweeping generalisations about Iman, by talking about divisions regarding Baptism and how I am denouncing people! - Really? I found that strange as I very rarely denounce an individual, rather I will disparage the system.   

As for the bible, I already told you that the bible that Selassie I referred to, was the Kebra Nagast and not the King James version. Indeed the following is abridged version of a quote made by H.I.M. "We in Ethiopia have one of the oldest versions of the bible, but however old the version may be, in whatever language it might be written,. Therefore, I caused a new translation to be made from our ancient language into the language which the old and the young understood and spoke."  So why you must get mad about that, is indeed disturbing.

You ended your first response by making yet another sweeping statement that "His Imperial Majesty Haile Selassie I, I and I God and King, was BAPTISED by that name. It was the name given to Him at birth that was also taken as His coronation title, so let no man say that RastafarI can't partake in the sacrament of baptism, whether by a Bobo, Binghi, Twelve Tribes or Ethiopian Orthodox priest."
Which just goes show the depths that you will plunge to just to try and make a point. A misguided one at that.
Lij Tafari Makennon was his birth name, as he rose through life he was addressed as Ras Tafari, Dejazmach Tafari, Negus Tafari and subsequently Emperor Hailie Selassie I. I am not aware of Baptism playing apart in any of that, but in the event that I have missed something, then why don't you enlighten us? The point I am making is that you shouldn't use your Lord's name in vain.

Re your latest response:

I note that when Umas raised the issue of differences of opinion in reply to your response, you readily accepted there is indeed room for freedom of thought, before going on to state "Of course there is freedom of thought, and nothing I said goes against that. What I said was unacceptable was allowing that to manifest as division by denouncing Ones for their thought and saying this and that about whatever mansion or position. That has absolutely no place among I and I and I make no apology for saying so. " Your statement only serves to show the intolerance that has taken hold upon you, which is what I alluding to when I asked "How you were so church minded?"

I also wrote,"As for Bobo Shanti, Nyahbinghi etc,  - everybody have them view - I don't fight that." So how has that now become as you put it "saying this and that about whatever mansion or position"??   What appears strange to I, is that for a person who by their own admission has not been baptized, you seem to have a lot to say about it! As for the carved churches of Lalibela and the point you make about any "Ras that has visited them being a true lion who knows himself as such." is yet another delusional statement that incidentally might have sounded slightly less so, if you had included women (Lionesses) within the statement. 

Briefly touching upon the concluding part of your latest posting regarding Division.
In the initial posting I made regarding Baptism, I made a one line reference to the Twelve Tribes, and not as you put it, "a ton of sarcasm and condescending talk." Which incidentally seems to clash with "the vague and negative remarks", you also claim that I have  made against brothers and sisters within that particular organisation.

You also state that your "critical faculties are ringing all sorts of alarm bells" about I. What happened to Judge not, Lest ye be Judged? It seems to be okay to you to cast negative aspersions against I, but not for I to express a fact about a subject. How does that work?   
As for Shashamane  it is noted that a lot of Bobo Shanti and Rasta People (who are not members of any organisation) do not choose to settle there, but prefer to set up in places such as Ghana, Gambia and Kenya, to name but a few locations, as a direct result of issues (bickering/in fighting) with the twelve tribes and EWF organisation, etc. (Check the interview with Mutabaruka and the Bobo Shanti for further information).
Regarding your gathering at Fairfield House, at no point can it be said that I stated, or even for that matter indicated, that you should turn anyone away from your function. In respect of Congo Rocky, he's entitled to his opinion, just as Mutabaruka is entitled to say that "Rasta need to validate Selassie I from outside of the bible", which I hasten to add, is what we have been doing for years. So if that's the pedestal to which you refer, it might be better if you chose to climb up (the ladder of reasoning) rather than seeking to try and pull I down.

One thing you ought to learn is that; the truth maybe an offence, but it aint a sin    

A Tree what can't bend = A Tree that can't survive a storm.

I repeat what I said to you before, You have a zealousness, there is no doubting that, but don't make it consume you.

One Love still

[Oskar]

Just for your information the Kebra Negast is a piece of Ethiopian history. When SelassieI refer to the Bible he is refering to the Bible, when he is refering to the Kebra Negast he is refering to the Kebra Negast. They are two different piece of books though they refer to the same historical events.

From what I over there was a rift between the Roman church and the Orthodox of the east.