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[Stevesc]

Would anyone like to reason with I about why babylon exists?

A theory that Iman came up with is that babylon is necessary to exist, or to have existed at some point. If InI has never known babylon, then how can InI know Zion?

Jah RastafarI

[Oskar]

babylon is the tendency to exploit the system rather than trying to fix it. babylon is corruption. without babylon there would be a lot more love.

[Stevesc]

Seen, but if InI had never known babylon's corruption, would InI truly appreciate the love of Zion?

Jah RastafarI

[Oskar]

what ones must realize is that babylon is a human construct. jah love exist from creation. babylon will exist for as long as humans struggle against jah creation.

[umas]

easy Stevec
   On the one hand, opposing polarities may be interlinked so as to define oneanother e.g. love / hate, happiness / depression, good / bad etc, but I see these comparisons as being something of a philosophical simplification, as there are so many spaces or shades of grey inbetween the polarities.
   In the same manner I see there being plenty of room for living, trials and difficulties included, in mortal realms of life apart from Babylon, before having attained or reached Zion. To be clear, Babylon is an extremest abomination which I place beyond or outside of the defining boundaries formed by opposing polarities in the spectrum of my aspirations.  To conclude any kind of philosophical necessity for Babylon would imply a certain ligitimacy and realistic necsessity. I see neither.

[Oskar]

there are a lot of things that babylon allow even though they are not necessary, even dangerous. sometimes the meaning of which peoples view are different. any kind of system accepting different kind of people must find ways to acknowledge and respect people with other ideas and reasons. ones would be arrogant to think they had all the information and wisdom required and equally foolish to think someone else always knew better.

[Stevesc]

I agree that the concepts of Zion and Babylon are just states of mind... but are you saying that 'Zion' and 'Babylon' are the extremes, on a sort of linear scale? That there is a mid-ground?

[umas]

I'm not into the confines of a linear scale. I expect that that which we're reasoning over here will resonate differently depending on perspective. It's not for I to dictate anything to anyone, all I can do is express my personal viewpoints. I'm saying I have the impression that there are innumerable variables between opposing polarities; most of which are beyond the grasp of my mind. And that's fine, I don't wish to hold more knowledge than I can make use of.
   
If I think away all the evils of the world today, the remaining elements would be a state of Zion. However, I opinion is informed by I experience and outlook. So who am I to say that having once reached that hypothetical state, a finer detail wouldn't emerge, leaving a desire to strive for further improvement? Can I say with certainty that I would be concious of being in a state of Zion, or is it possible that it would still seem some way off?
 
In everyday life I try to have goals set in mind. Despite desiring it I do not usually expect their realisation, which is fine because they do not serve to provide an eventual sense of satisfaction like the climber who has reached the summit has; they serve to provide a clear pathway fowards, a reason to be. I try not to chew on events retrospectively beyond learning from them, as I cannot change the past. I try to focus on the future, in order to have a hold on the present. In this way the journey resonates in I mind more than aspirations of the eventual destination.

[Oskar]

all wisdom is from the most high and from thence it is possible to stray in different directions so it's not linear in a sense. i would say the ability to compromise or find middle ground would depend on the definition of the concepts.

different people see evil as different things. sometimes people are obsessed with things that have no meaning at all. anyhow, i'm not here to judge other people, rather be an example of good(please reason about this).

[Stevesc]

"I said I came upon this land, to guide and teach my fellow man." - Peter Tosh

I think Peter says it well. Although I don't talk to people I know about RastafarI often, only when they ask. I don't want to seem like another Babylon preacher.

Jah RastafarI

[Oskar]

i know in babylon there is a saying 'lets teach this one a lesson', meaning 'lets mash him up'. what i'm saying is, these people don't know the meaning of words or rather they know how to express themselves to be able to argue about it.

i give thanks for all the ancients like tosh who carry the burning torch of truth up high.