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Title: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: ArkI on February 01, 2005, 04:12:14 AM
I was reasoning with a Bobo RasTafarI Idren of mine about Gangsta Rap.  I and I were reasoning about how Gangsta Rap is Babylon Propaganda and is being promoted to destroy the Black Youth living in Babylon.  My Idren was also reasoning that certain people in high positions in the Rap industry have connections with the CIA.

Babylon is encouraging the youth to kill and abuse their brothers and sisters.  Babylon has created and glorified this image for the youth to move towards.  They don't even need to recruit Rappers to enslave the minds of the youth.  The popularity of the image encourages youth to become skilled Gangsta Rappers and spread the message of Babylon to destroy future generations.  Most don't even realize what they are doing, but are just following the accepted image.

Gangsta Rappers need to learn the ways of Jah and turn the table with the voice they have been given.  They should be teaching the youth the ways of Jah and use their skills to bring them together as One, instead of dividing them.


Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: Sunshine on February 01, 2005, 09:58:18 AM
YES u sad it right.
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: Dominican_Gurl on February 01, 2005, 03:01:01 PM
yes, i used to listen to hardcore gansta rap in my teenage years and it can posess and i would not encourage my children to listen to that devil music.
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: ArkI on February 01, 2005, 04:16:26 PM
The East Coast/West Coast war is for a larger purpose than to kill Biggie and Tupac.  It is to separate people and cause them to hate eachother.  The East Coast/West Coast war was going on for a long time.  LL Cool J and Kool Moe Dee were dealing with this separation back in the 80s, although not as violently.

But I agree that Babylon set it up for Biggie and Tupac to be killed.  It was because they realized what Babylon was doing and refused to be part of it anymore.


Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: M-Dub on February 01, 2005, 06:23:29 PM
Thank you for this great post.

I and I agree fully. The rap game has been formulated into the same mindless, pointless garbage that television is. They are putting out a message of lies and deceit.

I rap and have already released a very successful cd. I'm working on a new cd that's even more concious than my last. Artists like myself are kept down by this Babylon system because we will spread the message of Jah, the message of Truth. I pray for Jah to help me bring His message to all I can. I know I have made positive influences with my last cd, and I will continue to do so.

Hip Hop's roots are now underground, and not many can find them. We must tend to the soil so that the tree that once was can flourish again.

One.

Jah bless.
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: moondog on February 01, 2005, 09:52:13 PM
Once again, the mighty Ark I and Fiyah Bun highlight that division is wrong.  Babylon purports many divisions, but this rap is one of the most blatant.  When will we open our eyes to JAH truth?
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: M-Dub on February 01, 2005, 09:53:49 PM
Just thought I'd clear something up, it's not rap or hip hop that causes division, it's this fake 'gangster rap'.

Overstand, rap is something you do, hip hop is something you live.

One.

Jah bless.
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: M-Dub on February 01, 2005, 10:04:46 PM
I had to comment on the link you posted Knowledge, I think it's a great idea and cause (please get someone to spell check the writing because the grammar is horrible) anyways here's some of the stuff being said:

Because of it's origin and what Hip Hop originally represented in it's earlier stages, we cannot embrace it as Christians. Their can be no Holy Hip Hoppers or no Christian Hip Hop because the culture cannot lend itself to the direction of the Holy Spirit. Yes, we do have very powerful Christian rap groups that preach the word of God through rap, but we must not get confused and call what they are doing Hip Hop. You have to understand that God does not embrace anything that has a corrupt origin. The very word "Hip Hop" was created by Afrikka Bambatta, the pioneer of the culture and professed Zulu Nation god. He created the term to describe the parties that he was hosting in clubs across New York in the early 70's. Since then, he has developed a religion that rested upon the Hip Hop culture. The term is not from God, therefore, it should not be used to describe anything from God!

People, please understand that Hip Hop is a way of governing your life. Therefore, it cannot be exploited as a Christian way of living. We understand that KRS-ONE and Afrika Bambaata have used the term Hip Hop to describe emceeing, deejaying, breakdancing, and other forms of entertainment, but Hip Hop is also, to them, a religion and a way of worshipping ourselves instead of the Lord Jesus Christ.


This is utter and absolute garbage. Whoever wrote this obviously has no concept of hip hop, why it was started and for what reasons. So even if you are putting out a positive message and bringing people to the Lord's path it's still not 'right'? Please. Let me just say that no one on earth is 100% right about everything and this is one topic where the person is wrong. What a horrible false judgement to put out. If this is the case being pleaded then we should stop listening to Rock, Metal, Jazz, Classical, etc.

I really had to take a step back to confirm someone actually believes this.  [smiley=rolleyes.gif] How can you "not get confused and start calling Christian rap, hip hop?" Why so stuck up on labels? Labels are the reason people are dying overseas.

One.

Jah bless.

Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: tarren on February 02, 2005, 12:53:01 AM
well said Ark, I used to listen to it up until about a year ago after i realized that it was trash and a tool of corruption. Also many dancehall and dub artist are turning to a extremely lewd corrupt style. case: beenie man , He had so much to say in his past albums , until his most recent album . it was all written about sex and violence. Now a little slack here and there is ok but there is a point where to musicians have gone to far.
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: ArkI on February 02, 2005, 05:06:06 AM
Tarren,

I looked at your age in your profile because I figured you must be young if you think Beenie Man's past albums had so much to say, you just didn't go back far enough.

Beenie has been around for a while and he used to sing all kind of slackness before.  He only put on his locks when it became trendy to be a Rastaman in dancehall, and he then put out a few albums to look nice with his locks.

Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: nepea on February 03, 2005, 05:50:50 PM

                             What has and will be always trying to do Babylon but to tame
generations of youth,source of energy and always possible threat to the 'shitstem'?The strategy continues because it does work.Give the youth a way out to to let out their energy.But there are more ways,there is more knowledge.Make them feel they are free to choose but be ready to be caught by their tentacles.
                          It is always the same old tale.
Punks anarchy!try to bring them to the left.it gives more votes.
At schools  they dare say there is no racism! Then the octopus of official institutions proves the opposite.
                             show me your face and I will see your mask.'the one thing I can't stand is hypocrites' A workmate born in Jamaica told me at school.
                          could you please send me the address of any rasta asociation in London?
                                  nepea
                       
                         
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: moondog on February 03, 2005, 10:14:46 PM
Sorry, M Dub, you are right.  The original rappers were articulate and innovative, with something real to say.  This "Gangsta" culture is the problem.  It is disturbing (but a litle humourous!) to see kids dressed gangsta stylee in the cotton towns around me!
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: Jah_Bless on February 04, 2005, 02:28:26 AM
Hotep!

I have a hard time believing all of this.  I agree that much "gangsta rap" is no good, but to claim it is some sort of Babylon propaganda is ludicrous (no pun intended).

Why would any sort of government want to encourage crime and poverty?  What does "Babylon" have to gain from corrupted youth?

Overstand that very few governments (especially the American one) could or would be able to pull off such a scheme.  Overstand the dispersal of powers and checks and balances on the government.

Enlighten Iself and learn some things about politics that's 'nuff important, seen?  I and I understand how it can be tempting to believe such conspiratory theories, but I urge the I to be more critical and objective.  It is only through such modalities of thought that I and I will grow.

"Emancipate youself from mental slavery.  None but ourselves can free our minds."

RasTafarI Selassie I
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: M-Dub on February 04, 2005, 06:03:18 PM
*Sigh* Where to start? I'm sorry you feel the governments are that simple.

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I have a hard time believing all of this.  I agree that much "gangsta rap" is no good, but to claim it is some sort of Babylon propaganda is ludicrous (no pun intended).  


What is so ludicrous about this statement?

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Why would any sort of government want to encourage crime and poverty?  What does "Babylon" have to gain from corrupted youth?


You obviously don't overstand. Babylon has everything to gain from crime and poverty. Such as:
- Crime means more money to put into the police force, which mean more control over citizens.
- Corrupted youth have no hope, no reason to vote, no drive in life, no chance whatsoever to rebel. The main reason is if you have a bunch of distracted disollusioned youth, they'll take no heed of our environmental or political state, they won't organize to rebel, they're worried about slanging rocks and shootin guns.
- More crime also means more excuses to put away blacks and other minorities. It's a vicious cycle. By promoting (and profiting from) ganster rap, they encourage youths to follow a gangster lifestyle which will leave them dead or in jail (which is just where babylon wants them).

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Overstand that very few governments (especially the American one) could or would be able to pull off such a scheme.  Overstand the dispersal of powers and checks and balances on the government.


Please don't use 'overstand' when you obviously don't overstand this. Do you have any idea how advanced and intricate these governments are? They pulled off Iraq, they can pull off anything. They rape tax payers for billions of dollars a year to fund their propoganda (including anti-marijuana ads). You don't think they can pull this off? How simple is it? Encourage record companies to only sign artist who are promoting mindless gangster rap. Did you know all major motion pictures have to be approved by the Pentagon before they're filmed/released? It's way deeper than you can even imagine. There's a specific section of the Pentagon just for the movie reviewing. If you refuse to get your film approved they'll restrict any gov't funding you could get and they'll ban most filmmakers from filming in the U.S. Trust me they can and are doing whatever they want.

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I and I understand how it can be tempting to believe such conspiratory theories, but I urge the I to be more critical and objective.  It is only through such modalities of thought that I and I will grow.


This is where the truth came out. You say 'I and I understand'. This is your subconcious self telling you that you don't overstand the big picture. Be critical, but also don't be fooled.

One.

Jah bless.
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: Jah_Bless on February 05, 2005, 01:53:04 AM
Bless up,

Irie Bredren M-Dub, some good reasonings.

If crime increases, "Babylon" does not prosper.  "Babylon" would have to pay for more social services, crime, an uneducated labor force, and a host of other problems.

I and I want to stress the dispersive nature of governments.  You are correct, they are very intricate...they are run by the Idren, seen?

Governments are not some monolithic structure, rather they are dynamic and constantly changing entities that are shaped and controled by its citizens.

This thread does bring up the interesting question of why is negative rap so popular.  

Any thoughts?

Ark I Emmanuel I Selassie I RasTafarI

Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: moondog on February 05, 2005, 10:12:16 AM

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Governments are not some monolithic structure, rather they are dynamic and constantly changing entities that are shaped and controled by its citizens.
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...and by alienating, marginalising and disenfranchising minority groups, only those with the money and power vote - even in a so-called democracy!  In this country, a right wing government created an entire underclass, effectively removing their sufferage, and were then re-elected by a smaller percentage of a smaller electorate!
We are all heading the same way - by the failure of "democracy" we move towards fractured govenments, easily manipulable by financial powers.

I recognise only one government - the government of RASTAFARI

Respect
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: msgal on February 05, 2005, 02:29:16 PM
I can't comment on where you live, but here the government is definatly not controlled by the people.  This was the original intent.  Today we are far from that original intent.  The government in the USA is controlled by an upper ruling class that offers us candidates to vote for from choices they control.  Neither of the two political parties represent the people and they control the system completely enough that there is virtually no chance of anyone breaking in.  This situation exists on pretty much every level of government, from the top all the way down to the local level.  I became very involved in local politics in my town to the point of etting a corrupt mayor voted out of office.  At the end of the day it made no difference.
That is why I chose to try to reach people on a person to person level.  I realize that I can't change the system on my own, but I have to try and improve the world we live in.  If not for myself, for future generations.
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: Jah_Bless on February 05, 2005, 10:39:50 PM
Shep abambo!

The mistake I recognize the most is mistaking the unit of political action for being the individual, when in fact, it is the group.

Just because things seem tough and hard, that does not mean the system is failing.  Just because corporations do exercise political power at times, I and I must realize that they are still at the mercy of their customers and the government itself.

Government is too big and complex to be dominted by one group, secret conspirators, corporations, or a ruling class.  This attitude is what people use to marginalize themselves.  

Vote, participate, and be active, seen?  

Ital vItal RasTafarI
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: moon on February 06, 2005, 10:19:02 PM
Most High

Forgive all who reject your words and are sucked into the beasts arms, sucking sweetly on his teet, forgive those who know not what they say and forgive those who know not what they do, forgive all InI out-equities and bless us with your greatness, your graetness is great!

Guide us Most High in these times of darkness and let not da tongue guide the idle into folly.

Amlak

Guidance
Blessed Love
xxxxx
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: msgal on February 07, 2005, 06:23:47 AM
Thanks for the ups Fiyahbun.   [smiley=smiley.gif] Even tho it seems pointless sometimes, I never miss an election.  I can still see being involved, but I make sure I chose my battles carefully.  Always good to hear from you bredren.

bless up one love
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: RastaRay on March 31, 2005, 06:52:51 PM
I believe in Babylon Propaganda

Here in Canada Image is the priority.

I live in Canada for many years originally from the UK

I use to manage rap artists and got out of the field after finding out the truth.

Canada is an ethnic melting pot but you would never know it if you are outside looking in. A very high percentage of the music coming out of Canada is delivered by white artists.

The Music Industry in Canada acts as a brochure or a selling tool for the World. There only concern is to maintain the white image or corporate image as I call it.
Of course they will sprinkle a dash of pepper to display equal opportunity but overall their goal is to maintain their corporate image.

For example:

A few years back when reggae was getting popular the music industry decided to have a white reggae artist to represent Canada. (Snow - Informer was his hit).

We have a large black reggae community in Toronto and Montreal and the music industry signed Snow.

Recently we have R&B signers and groups represented by white Artist. The only real chance a black artist can be signed by the mainstream labels is if the music sounds Suburban, commercial or if the Artist has white is his blood and that is still a long shot.

Now I believe in equality for all races.

I am just confirming Babylon Propaganda.


Jah Bless --one love --

[smiley=cool.gif]
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: RastaRay on March 31, 2005, 07:07:50 PM
Watch Juno Canada's Music Awards http://www.junoawards.ca/
On Sunday April 3rd. 8:30 est

You will see Babylon Propaganda in action with a sprinkle of pepper

Jah Bless -- one love --
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: JahJahSon on April 01, 2005, 12:04:56 AM
of course its babylon propaganda.  It gives black people a horrible stereotype which is associated with all black people unfortunately.  It promotes violence and is just disgusting.
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: Murungu on April 01, 2005, 06:56:13 AM
Greetings.

I don't know too much abt gangsta-rap. It never interested me. But still, about the Babylon propaganda-issue, I disagree. I think you wrong. You can not blame everything on babylon. Alot of companies that produces gangsta-rap are independant and not controlled by the gouvernment. It's hard for me to emagine that the gouvernment put words in Snoop Doggs mouth or incourage ppl to write abt killing, smokeing, drinking, bytches, robbing and other crime. And I'm sure that if you ask Snoop he's not gonna tell you that he's lyrics came from anybody else but himself. Gangsa-Rap came frome the Ghetto, that's where it started. Not in the Gouvernment. At least that I know.

Still, Gangsta-Rap IS babylon, cos it's evil, but if you talk about the gouvernment as babylon, is didn't come from there.

Bless..
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: Murungu on April 01, 2005, 07:05:07 AM
Just a correction.

When I said that Gangsta-Rap never interested me, that's not what I meant. What I meant was that I never liked it. I never approved of it.

Bless..
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: M-Dub on April 01, 2005, 08:32:32 PM
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I don't know too much abt gangsta-rap. It never interested me. But still, about the Babylon propaganda-issue, I disagree. I think you wrong. You can not blame everything on babylon. Alot of companies that produces gangsta-rap are independant and not controlled by the gouvernment. It's hard for me to emagine that the gouvernment put words in Snoop Doggs mouth or incourage ppl to write abt killing, smokeing, drinking, bytches, robbing and other crime. And I'm sure that if you ask Snoop he's not gonna tell you that he's lyrics came from anybody else but himself. Gangsa-Rap came frome the Ghetto, that's where it started. Not in the Gouvernment. At least that I know.


I think the point here is that the government and other organizations ensure what music gets played. Did you know there is a department in the Pentagon that only deals with entertainment? They will grant funding to groups they approve of and they will make life difficult for those that do not. Of course Snoop writes his own music, the point is that all you hear on the radio and MTV is mindless garbage which is what dem want. You don't hear the real artists or the good artists, you hear the artists who choose to conform to the requirements of the entertainment corporation. The government might not own record labels (though I bet they own a couple), but they have a large influence on the entertainment industry. The government had a hand in Tupacs murder and they tried to kill Bob Marley, so they are definitely involved.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: bporcher on April 03, 2005, 07:52:53 AM
DGs right, it does possess. ive talked to a few people on this forum about this. i find it funny how these rich suburban kids walk around like theyre from the ghetto and they want to be all hardcore and stuff, just because they think its cool, and this stems from gangster rap. altho, i gotta admit, i did that whole thing for a couple months too. ive SEEN it destroy people. my old best friend, he was just a normal kid, a couple problems but nothing big... he went on doing shrooms and acid and all that, started drug dealing and stealing and all that. and it alll started when he was introduced to gangster rap.
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: Murungu on April 04, 2005, 11:56:19 AM
To Dub.

I still disagree. I don't think it is Babylon Propaganda.

Bless..
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: M-Dub on April 06, 2005, 03:02:08 PM
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I still disagree. I don't think it is Babylon Propaganda.


For what reasons?

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: Murungu on April 07, 2005, 06:33:55 PM
Then all music that is let out to market must be babylon propaganda. What makes gangsta-rap different? It's not only gangsta-rap that has bad language.

Bless..
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: ArkI on April 07, 2005, 07:08:41 PM
All music that is promoted on a large scale is Babylon propaganda.  They have different propaganda for different citizens.


Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: M-Dub on April 07, 2005, 11:23:19 PM
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All music that is promoted on a large scale is Babylon propaganda.  They have different propaganda for different citizens.


Seen. Who are the artists in Rap you hear promoted the most? Eminem and 50 Cent who are both fake and liars, whether the impact is concious or sub-concious, I'm not sure.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: Murungu on April 08, 2005, 05:28:03 PM
So why, then, are we only talkin about gangsta-rap? What makes G-R different from orher music. If you say that all music that is produced on a large scale is Babylon Propaganda, then why are you only saying G-R in this thread?

Bless..
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: ArkI on April 08, 2005, 08:20:46 PM
This focus of this thread is gangsta rap, other forms of music have different purposes and effect. Why is it that people feel that if one thing is spoken about, then all things similar to that subject must also be spoken about at the same time?  If you want to speak about other kinds of music then make a topic and speak about it, instead of just pointing out the fact that it wasn't spoken about in this topic.

There is a time and season for everything.  


Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: Murungu on April 08, 2005, 09:43:48 PM
But you are not only talkin about gangsta-rap, you are allso talkin about Babylon Propaganda, so I was just wonderin what else is Babylon Propaganda. And I was allso just asking you WHY u bring up only Gangsta-Rap. Sorry for asking. I did't know there were rules for what questions one can ask. "Forgive me".

I'm out.
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: steven on April 09, 2005, 12:57:23 AM
i agree to some extent but there is just one thing i have to say.  there are some rappers that are actually saying somthing  othere than" get drunk and get high".the fact is that todays rap is just that, rap.  but back when rap was just starting out it had much more meaning,  like with NWA,  they were getting the point across that the government is purposely holding down minorities in order to better themselves and tupac did the same thing.  but i do get where your coming from because i have the same feeling towards todays rap.
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: ArkI on April 09, 2005, 01:56:52 AM
Murungu, you said,

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But you are not only talkin about gangsta-rap, you are allso talkin about Babylon Propaganda
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The topic was about Gangsta Rap, and I was noting in the title that Gangsta Rap is Babylon propaganda.

I only brought out the Gangsta Rap part of babylon propaganda, because I had a message to bring out about Gangsta Rap.

This has nothing to do with rules about questions that can be asked.  It is just that you were speaking in a way like you think it is wrong to have a discussion about Gangsta Rap as babylon propaganda, unless you speak about every other form about babylon propaganda.  I may have interpreted your message wrong, but that is what it seemed to be expressing.  If I misinterpreted, then I apologize.


Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: ArkI on April 09, 2005, 02:23:24 AM
I will be starting another topic either tonight or in the next couple of days called "Pop Music - Babylon Propaganda"


Murungu, you said,
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It's hard for me to emagine that the gouvernment put words in Snoop Doggs mouth or incourage ppl to write abt killing, smokeing, drinking, bytches, robbing and other crime. And I'm sure that if you ask Snoop he's not gonna tell you that he's lyrics came from anybody else but himself.
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It is not about babylon telling the people what to say.  It is about babylon promoting the people who spread the message that they want to spread.

And about the independent companies, the most popular and listened to Gangsta Rappers don't work for the independent companies.  And the reason they are most popular, is because they are promoted by babylon's propaganda department, which is the media industry.  Music, television, radio and movies are run by very few companies.  These companies have their hand in all major propaganda outlets(media).


I posted this topic on I own forum and this is something a sistren posted from the words of KRS-ONE


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SisMenenI        Sent: 2/11/2005 1:58:52 AM


KRS-One on the State of Hip Hop
from the Santa Fe Reporter [reprinted without permission]

How do you feel about the state of hip-hop right now?

Hip-hop is doing very well, rap is struggling. Rap music is dropping 15 percent every three months yet it is 60 percent of all music sold. Gospel, jazz, rock, alternative, speed metal, house, all that is 40 percent. Rap music is…dropping. The music industry is in trouble. And you know why it's in trouble? Because when you turn on the TV, what do you see? Garbage.

People ain't stupid. They can blame it on the Internet all day but nobody wants to be called a bitch and a ho and a nigger and a thug all day and all night. Nobody is going put their money down on that. But that's all you see on the TV, that's all they're promoting. We knew in 1992 when vinyl got snatched off the market that something was going down. Don't get me wrong, we love CDs…but they tried to kill the DJ, kill the conscious lyricist, all the conscious lyrics we were doing so we can't get radio play, can't get in the stores, can't get a decent interview. They killed the market.

BIG UP KRS-ONE!!
Sunday, January 30, 2005
With the Declaration of Peace displayed prominently behind him, the Teacha, KRS-ONE, took the podium again. “Hiphop is a term that describes our independent collective consciousness. Ever growing, it is commonly expressed through such elements as Breakin, Emceein, Graffiti Art, Deejayin, Beatboxin, Street Fashion, Street Language, Street Knowledge and Street Entrepreneurialism.” To about 75 Temple Members, the Teacha asked “Who is your true family?” The Teacha explained that the beginning of one’s oppression and hardship in life begins with the level of support one receives from one’s family. That in order to create peace and prosperity family unity is a must. However, who is your family? The ones that support the real you are your true family.
http://www.templeofhiphop.org/

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Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I

Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: Murungu on April 09, 2005, 09:05:51 AM
Ark, you are just tooo sweet!  [smiley=kiss.gif]

I think you misunderstood my ques. Or maybe I put it the wrong way. What I meant, was Why did you bring up only Gangsta-Rap? Anyways, it doesn't matter. No matter how u turn it, we still agree on one thing. Gangsta-Rap is whaste of tyme and energy. Good for nothing.

Next tyme, maybe you can start a thread about Gwen Stefani ft. Eve, stealin music from Lady Saw an Lady G, calls it her own, and trashes it completely.  [smiley=tongue.gif] Yukk. It has annoyed me since I first heard the song on TV (with Gwen). Now THAT'S BABYLON!!!!!!  

So I kinda see your point about babylon promoting music. The song was newer known in the western world until Gwen stole it. I used to like Gwen before, but now I can not stand her. She ruined me and ma sistrens favourite song.

I'm sorry if I'm off subject here. But I just had to get it out! And it felt Good.  [smiley=grin.gif]

Bless you, Ark I, for your wisdom.
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: M-Dub on April 11, 2005, 05:07:52 PM
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i agree to some extent but there is just one thing i have to say.  there are some rappers that are actually saying somthing  othere than" get drunk and get high".the fact is that todays rap is just that, rap.  but back when rap was just starting out it had much more meaning,  like with NWA,  they were getting the point across that the government is purposely holding down minorities in order to better themselves and tupac did the same thing.  but i do get where your coming from because i have the same feeling towards todays rap.


Sorry, just thought I'd point out, NWA is part of this senseless trash. Just because they put a tiny message in a song or two, doesn't mean they are contributing anything positive. No disrespect.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: sleepy on April 11, 2005, 06:07:29 PM
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I was reasoning with a Bobo RasTafarI Idren of mine about Gangsta Rap.  I and I were reasoning about how Gangsta Rap is Babylon Propaganda and is being promoted to destroy the Black Youth living in Babylon.  My Idren was also reasoning that certain people in high positions in the Rap industry have connections with the CIA.

Babylon is encouraging the youth to kill and abuse their brothers and sisters.  Babylon has created and glorified this image for the youth to move towards.  They don't even need to recruit Rappers to enslave the minds of the youth.  The popularity of the image encourages youth to become skilled Gangsta Rappers and spread the message of Babylon to destroy future generations.  Most don't even realize what they are doing, but are just following the accepted image.

Gangsta Rappers need to learn the ways of Jah and turn the table with the voice they have been given.  They should be teaching the youth the ways of Jah and use their skills to bring them together as One, instead of dividing them.


Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I

bredrin you have INI looking at gangsta rap in a whole new lite tanx
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: Wahine on April 24, 2005, 05:18:51 AM
I love to listen to Bone Thugs and Harmony. Maybe their bad language etc is wrong and maybe i am wrong to believe that they struggled from the ghettos of the United Slums of America. I guess what i hear from them touches me inside. Maybe a lot of gangsta rap is propoganda but we can't stop people from lining these peoples pockets with dosh. Don't know .... Maybe there is better stuff around. We had a documentary here on tv recently that said our "ethnic" kids here wanted to be just like the americans "gangstas". All it did was make these kids look like F wits.
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: Mike on April 24, 2005, 06:27:16 AM
What do you think of the Dancehall scene in Jamaica den?i respect guys like Bounty Killa because he is just telling it like it is,he isnt glorifying it and he is truly gangsta.
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: Wahine on April 24, 2005, 08:56:46 AM
If some one truely struggled to make it in the "celebrity world" and made it...then all creds to them. I'm sorry i don't know who you are talking bout cause music is very sheltered here. You have to investigate to found out bout bands/singers who are not top 40 here
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: Murungu on April 24, 2005, 06:42:16 PM
I like Bone Thugs'n Harmony too. Been listening to them since I was abt 15. Is that Gangsta-Rap?

Bless..
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: tarren on April 24, 2005, 06:52:44 PM
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I like Bone Thugs'n Harmony too. Been listening to them since I was abt 15. Is that Gangsta-Rap?

Bless..



Yes gangsta-rap
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: ScrewFaceKiLLA on April 24, 2005, 07:25:16 PM
Gangsta rap is not Babylon Propaganda...

But violence/drugs/money are glorified in this genre of music.
It makes sense for the ShiT-stem to push this back on the opressed because it adds to the sensation of fear and amplify's the struggle to get outta the tenement.
The majority of cd purchases for Gangsta rap sales comes from the middle classes these days. So the shiT-stem's idea is beginning to backfire.
I've been on a microphone, for over 10 year's, and the complexity of what you say can be taken in a hundred different way's because it is all perception, but i am aware of what i am saying because you give power to word's and these word's will then become an action because that is the nature of things...

Hip-Hop is in a state of emergency, saturation of fakE phoney rappers is reaching really high level's,too many Mc's wanna be Mc's never be Mc's cos they can't Mc.

If you were to strip down my character, at the base of my being, you would find Hip-Hop and Jah...

Fight the shitsteM with music'...
The problem is that people aren't realizing the history behind the movement.
We need to combine all the ghetto's, all the oppressed into one people, like the beast is doing.
The truth stares me in the face, but what can i do, the power is in the people and politics we address but it's easier for me to walk over to the fridge and grab a beer than it is to start a revolution...You know what happens to revolutionary's..They get crucified, burned, shot, in-prisoned ignored and passed off as crazy.
So i'll see you in the fire, dragging a cross, bullet wounded as i go off to prison. WaiT a minute,.. i think i still gotta beer left in the fridge yea, let me finish that first cos i was born alone, and i'll die alone so i'll numb the pain for now and start the revolution tomorrow...

So Fear what you don't understand. . .and kill what you can't conquer. . .c'mon ..

We are @ war my brethren. The dragon will be slayed.
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: Positive_Vibration on April 24, 2005, 07:54:55 PM
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Gangsta rap is not Babylon Propaganda...

But violence/drugs/money are glorified in this genre of music.
It makes sense for the ShiT-stem to push this back on the opressed because it adds to the sensation of fear and amplify's the struggle to get outta the tenement.
The majority of cd purchases for Gangsta rap sales comes from the middle classes these days. So the shiT-stem's idea is beginning to backfire.
I've been on a microphone, for over 10 year's, and the complexity of what you say can be taken in a hundred different way's because it is all perception, but i am aware of what i am saying because you give power to word's and these word's will then become an action because that is the nature of things...

Hip-Hop is in a state of emergency, saturation of fakE phoney rappers is reaching really high level's,too many Mc's wanna be Mc's never be Mc's cos they can't Mc.

If you were to strip down my character, at the base of my being, you would find Hip-Hop and Jah...

Fight the shitsteM with music'...
The problem is that people aren't realizing the history behind the movement.
We need to combine all the ghetto's, all the oppressed into one people, like the beast is doing.
The truth stares me in the face, but what can i do, the power is in the people and politics we address but it's easier for me to walk over to the fridge and grab a beer than it is to start a revolution...You know what happens to revolutionary's..They get crucified, burned, shot, in-prisoned ignored and passed off as crazy.
So i'll see you in the fire, dragging a cross, bullet wounded as i go off to prison. WaiT a minute,.. i think i still gotta beer left in the fridge yea, let me finish that first cos i was born alone, and i'll die alone so i'll numb the pain for now and start the revolution tomorrow...

So Fear what you don't understand. . .and kill what you can't conquer. . .c'mon ..

We are @ war my brethren. The dragon will be slayed.


I agree with all you said right there. Fight off Babylon with music! Let us join forces! InI am in the same boat as you...you use hip-hop, I use rock, blues, and reggae. But all these small differences are one as we are out to do the same thing.

I don't know if you were implying physical violence at any point in there at which point that's my only quarrell. Realize the disconnection between Jah's natural creation and conscious, which is in us all, and the actions the given person does. Take away their ignorance, not their life.

Much love, thanks, and raspect.

One love
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: Wahine on April 24, 2005, 08:25:59 PM
My one concern with gangsta rap is the message that it sends to young people here. A young boy on tv said that they (the gangstas) have everything he wants and that the message he recieves from their music is that in order to have all these things you need to become a gun toting drug dealer and use violence against others. Not the best message to be giving to young people. They may percieve things that they hear in a totally different light to what an adult percieves but it is a little scarey to think that children are getting this message. It doesn't really help them to make the right decisions in life.
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: Murungu on April 25, 2005, 09:19:45 AM
ScrewFace, I agree with you there. And that was exactly the point I tried to get out. Thanx!

Bless..
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: M-Dub on April 25, 2005, 04:46:08 PM
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My one concern with gangsta rap is the message that it sends to young people here. A young boy on tv said that they (the gangstas) have everything he wants and that the message he recieves from their music is that in order to have all these things you need to become a gun toting drug dealer and use violence against others. Not the best message to be giving to young people. They may percieve things that they hear in a totally different light to what an adult percieves but it is a little scarey to think that children are getting this message. It doesn't really help them to make the right decisions in life.


This is exactly one of the examples how rap is being used as Babylon Propoganda. Trying to instill the wrong ideals in those with little hope.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: ke on January 30, 2008, 10:28:39 PM
Just thought I'd clear something up, it's not rap or hip hop that causes division, it's this fake 'gangster rap'.

Overstand, rap is something you do, hip hop is something you live.

One.

Jah bless.

true brotha i can tell the I likes KRS ONE he always says that^^.
rap is not Hip hop it is a part of Hip hop, hip hop is bboying (break dancing), graffiti writing,Mcing, and DJing.
sorry i love to babble about Hip hop I'm a bboy so thats what I do lol.
bless up bro.
ke.
 
Title: Re: Gangsta Rap - Babylon Propaganda
Post by: RAS GROWSTRONG on September 14, 2008, 02:41:53 AM
its enough slack reggae artist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBwwqPbYOR8