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Title: Jesus Christ
Post by: Mike on May 09, 2005, 06:28:26 AM
What do ye rastas think pon this one?InI come into praise for this man,he did so good and so many great things.InI tell you now it is wrong for people to think wrong of this man because of what conquerors did.ROMAN CATHOLISCM IS A FARCE.InI feel many people have ill fated feelings toward Christianity,but you must remember wicked men came bearing his name,but these wicked men are not his people they are just using him to make themselves look good when they are all wicked.To me Sellasie is the second coming because he has the same message and to I an even deeper message.People have gone mad by proclaiming their race and competing with one another.H.I.M. came and said "We must become members of a new race, overcoming petty prejudice, owing our ultimate allegiance not to nations but to our fellow men within the human community."To me this quote defines life,at the stages its in now.Jesus Christ came with a similar message in a time of wickedness and was also rejected.This is what we are bredren and sistren we are the chosen people we are speaking but are being rejected like Sellasie and Jesus.Life is a struggle and we are moving through it through morals,spirituality,and as pure as we can be.

Does anyone feel me InI just feeling so passionate about this right now.

Bless Up
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: I ELIJAH I on May 09, 2005, 03:21:26 PM
Do you think a loving god would have his children call HIM by a name that has been abused for that last two thousand years? [smiley=laugh.gif] RAS TAFARI is his NAME.

And the Heathen Tremble at its Sound!!!!!!

Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: M-Dub on May 09, 2005, 03:30:55 PM
There is a lot to be learned from the teachings of Jesus and Selassie. The difference between the two is Jesus said he was the son of God, Selassie did not.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: NegusNegustiality on May 09, 2005, 03:47:03 PM
M-Dub,
deh I is con-fusing deh missions.  after 2000 years, deh globe and its controlling powers were primarily Christian, which meant dat dey knew deh rules, deh doctrine, etc.  dose who recognized Emmanuel deh Christ did so by His works, His teachings and of course His titles.  ie deh Son of Jah, deh Son of Man, The Light of the World, "I was before Moses", I am dat I am.

so when Haile Selassie I trod up wid dese same actions, same teachings manifest inna 20th century style and comes wid all not missing one of deh three required titles of deh returned "Christian Christ" den dere is no need tuh tell ones who He is.  if deh earth was "christian" as dey all proclaimed, dey would know deh scripture fi demselves and dat anyone who comes claiming tuh be Christ return is a false Christ.  so deh only way tuh recognize is through deh titles, dose are simply a red flag pon creation tuh all Christians.  "uh oh, dere is someone wid deh titles Ini have all been waiting for, let Ini check dis out."

now if I-Majesty moved wickedly, den Ini would know dat His titles were a fraud, but from H.I.M. deal in righteous for 55 years wid deh government pon H.I.M. shoulders and 40 pon David's Throne, H.I.M. does not have to seh who He is.

Ini give deh I dis scripture fi meditate upon, note who answers what -

John 1:45-51
Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.
46.  And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see.
47.  Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!
48.  Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee.
49.  Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
50.  Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these.
51.  And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

Haile Selassie I
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: Mike on May 09, 2005, 04:34:25 PM
InI look at Jesus as a messenger,the same goes for Sellasie.Messengers of the good word.I do not worship Jesus nor Sellasie,in fact I dont worship nothing.I am just in mighty awe of what is Jah.

InI dont mean they are a coming of Jah,I mean coming in the sense that they brought such great words and had such an impact to gain reverence.

And bredren fire the wickedness of Christianity did not come in the original form,it came in the wickedness that was a Pagan religion(Romans).I can assure that true Christians without a western/roman mindset are not like these Christians.I beg ye do not say all Christians are bad cause of what Romans and Anglicans did in the past.They took the religion and made it their own which is already a sin in Christian terms.

Bless
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: M-Dub on May 09, 2005, 04:40:41 PM
Negus, I don't overstand what your overall point is. If the people are to know the scriptures, then I do know through study that Selassie was not Christ. He did not come at the right time, not enough of the end time signs have begun.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: NegusNegustiality on May 09, 2005, 06:18:48 PM
Ini overall point is dat deh people seh who is deh Christ, not deh Christ H.I.M.self.
tek note how times Emmanuel deh Christ is asked by Jews & romans was He deh King of Israel or was He deh Christ and He replies "if deh I seh so."  
I-Majesty told Ini whose lineage He comes through, while Time and National Geographic told Ini His titles as His works speak fi demself.

"Your Majesty, there are millions of Christians around deh world who view you as deh reincarnation of Je-sus Christ.  How do you view dis?"

"Yes, I have heard dis and I have also met many Rastafarians.  I clearly told dem I am a man.  I am mortal and dey should never mek deh mistake of thinking dat a deity emanates from a human being."


*notice how Haile Selassie I never says what He is not, but only what He is.  now M-Dub deh I must deh Iself, why did Haile Selassie I just not come out and say dat I am not Je-sus Christ returned?  ever notice how Haile Selassie I always seperates God from Jesus the Christ, while most Christians put dem as one in deh same.  I know!!

Negus, I don't overstand what your overall point is. If the people are to know the scriptures, then I do know through study that Selassie was not Christ. He did not come at the right time, not enough of the end time signs have begun.

once again Ini will reiterate dat dere is no such thing as an endtime, dat is an illusion tuh keep deh people docile.  from when dere is an endtime dat mean all life stop, when Ini know dat life cyan dun!  "man cannot destroy deh earth, man can only destroy himself"

once again, what is deh right time, if a global WORLD WAR is not deh right time, please tell Ini what is deh right time for deh Christian Christ tuh show H.I.M.self before deh world?  please tell Ini how shall another come wid deh necessary titles out of deh sky, tuh have deh kings of deh earth tek counsel against H.I.M. all in deh twinkling of an eye?  please tell Ini how Acts 2:28, 29 shall be fulfilled -

"Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;"


please tell Ini how He shall slew dem wid a sharp sword dat proceedeth out of His mouth, if dis is not fulfilled in Haile Selassie I's utterance to deh nations of deh earth at deh League of Nations in 1936?  please tell I how dere shall be another Lion of deh Tribe of Judah when Haile Selassie is deh I(first)?  please tell Ini how shall genesis 49:8-10 shall be fulfilled if not by H.I.M.

Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father's children shall bow down before thee.
9.  Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse H.I.M. up?
10.  The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto H.I.M. shall the gathering of the people be.

please tell Ini who shall come again wid dem garment dipped in blood tuh be coronated as I-Iyahesty tuh double fulfilled-
"And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God." Revelation 19:13

please tell Ini whose birth shall come wid clouds tuh end a national drought and 38 years later be brought before deh eyes of deh whole world tuh mek sure dem accept His titles.  who else shall be persecuted by deh same ones who crucified Emmanuel deh Christ, none other dan Haile Selassie I, who was tempted and persecuted by no other dan deh same romans from 2000 years earlier.  who else shall be deh root of deh globes largest world world, thereby meking deh kindreds of deh earth wail.  
"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see H.I.M., and they also which pierced H.I.M.: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of H.I.M. Even so, Amen" Revelation 1:7

please tell Ini who and where is paul refering to when he keeps saying dat deh redeemer shall com forth outta Sion, if it is not H.I.M.

Haile Selassie I
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: M-Dub on May 09, 2005, 09:24:44 PM
I'm interested to learn more reasoning behind your thoughts Fiyah. You bring up some interesting points.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: Mike on May 10, 2005, 12:18:04 AM
InI agree with you bredren Fiyah I do not worship Christ and look to him to come from the sky.I feel him within me,same as Selassie.For one cannot reject the greatness of the two.The same can be said for lower profile people,music artists,ect.Lucky Dube is a great man spreading Jah word,I look at him equal to Christ and Selassie as a man who spread de good word.

Bless
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: herbsman on May 10, 2005, 07:40:37 PM
ii wy em Hotep /   Greetings I come with peace ..!!!!!

member " Mike" = No Mike , I am not feelin you like you asked...please study your his-story....you say " we been taking jesus wrong "

we take him as he was ....a Man ,  just like you state.

You say you come tto praise this MAN .....you have that part right ,   a Man .

You say we are chosen   ....how do you have this knowledge of who is chosen and who is not ???

I agrreez  with you dat SELASSIE 1 said many niceness words.

You say " jesus was rejected ".....ONLY by his enemies....supposedly jesus had many followers.

You say SEASSIE 1 is second coming bacause " he has same message as jesus "

.................What ?     ...Huh ????????????....please explane this.

let I ask you this.....who opened the Seals ??????

brother " SPARK " = Mighty words me brother , keep da fire burnin.

" elijah" =  very true ,  BIG Ups

member " Negus " =  I confused ....do you take da jesus as your  saviour ????

from MICHAEL
da HAMMER
AFRIKAH
HANNIBALL
HAMMER Junior

ThoTH.....Ma'at .............Ptah............Isis...............Orsiris..............

p.s........get outta  that falsley made books called da bible and get to da truth in I and I Life.

peace and da Love

Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: EmpressGong on May 10, 2005, 07:49:04 PM
Blessed Love

I want to say this in reference to the statement that jesus said he was the son of god and selassie did not.

I am the Dawta of Jah ALmighty the Most High and I know this and I am trying my very very very Best to live this in fulness. I want to tell others about this. But I do not need someone to come and recognise me and say you are the dawta of Jah for it to be true. come on now. this is brainwashing this Jesus story. when people goin realise that you are being limited in your belief and your spiritual growth if you base everything on the rules that surrounds jesus' divinity. he had a virigin mother, conceived by the holy spirit, was crucified etc etc. heal the sick etc etc. miracles are not defined by the bible nor is a spiritual relationship to jah limited to what happened to Jesus.

Selassie didnt have to go around sayin I am the child of God for people to see his Light and want to have this Light also!!  [smiley=rolleyes.gif]

EmpressGong
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: M-Dub on May 10, 2005, 07:58:42 PM
I find it strange that so many people say "You will be trapped" or "You limit your belief" by following the teachings of Jesus. How so?

Mike brought up some good points. Who opened the seals?

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: EmpressCarla on May 10, 2005, 08:04:11 PM
Not to be argumentative, but I honestly don't see how hailing Selassie is any different from hailing Jesus. I don't.

I get how the story of Jesus' birth brings contention. But if one doesn't get caught up in that, yet simply follow his example, how is he worse to be followed than Selassie?

Again, I'm not trying to discredit Selassie in anyway. Please help me to understand the difference. At this point, it seems the only difference is who you're more familiar with: Jesus or Selassie.
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: M-Dub on May 10, 2005, 08:06:38 PM
Excellent reasoning Carla, I didn't think of it in this light. I'm interested to see the answers.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: EmpressGong on May 10, 2005, 08:33:08 PM
Blessed Love

For those of us of Afrikan descent who have awakened to Rastafari, we overstand that Slavery and colonialism was made possible by implementing Christianity. We know that divide and rule was possible by brainwashing and controlling people's minds in a docile manner: religion. all the original religious/spiritual practices in Afrika were outlawed and deemed heretic. It is completely based on what is in a book and what is taught in a church by that book. it is limiting. does the bible express oneness with jah and the earth? does the bible tell you the connection between the spirit and earth. does it teach you what nature teaches you? not to the extent that Rastafari. The bible and christianity as ruled by Europeans served a specific purpose in its origin and I am not party to it.

I am not against jesus, but in my opinion too many people want to base their existence on a book and I refuse to do that. I dont think following jesus is horrible I just dont really think he existed simply because there are so many conflicts as to discoverin whether or not he did. anthropologists cant prove it from what I have seen. I prefer to look to the teachin instead of focusing on a man. that includes Selassie. I dont focus on him solely as a person I look to his reference and his Word, but his Istory and his existence is what shows me I can look to him because of who he IS!

i have never in my life prayed to Jesus and i was raised in the church. i do not pray to selassie either. the christ is within me and i pray to my maker jah. it is not a case of who is better than who, it is just a matter of myth and reality FOR ME.

EmpressGong
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: M-Dub on May 10, 2005, 08:51:05 PM
Great words Empress. I as well do not pray to Jesus, I pray to Jah. Let us not forget that the devils who used Christianity for evil were not righteous people.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: EmpressCarla on May 10, 2005, 09:41:57 PM
Thanx EmpressGong. I will meditate on your words.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: whereismyzion on May 11, 2005, 01:36:34 AM
InI see Jesus and Salassie are men. But InI know dat the kingdom is within men. and so i give thanks and praise to the older ones of creation, Jesus, Moses, HIM,.

Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: herbsman on May 12, 2005, 02:36:39 PM
yet who opened da Seals...???

does NO idrens  have dis knowledge ?

MIKE
da HAMMER
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: NegusNegustiality on May 12, 2005, 05:39:59 PM
Ises,
dere are many interpretations concerning deh seals, Ini deal wid deh one dat is of reality.  deh seven seald are deh eyes, two nostrils, deh mouth ad two ears as dey are on deh top of deh temple(Ras means head,tafari=to be feared), close tuh deh crown. deh other two orifices are at deh bottom of deh temple representing deh lower self.  it is only when one can master dese "7" I-vine orifices of deh temple dat deh seven seals have been loosed.  

through I-Majesty's character, deeds, progressive thinking, His titles, His position pon deh Throne of David and His overall reign, He is deh only man found worthy tuh loose deh seven seals.

JAH Rastafari
Haile Selassie I
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: chesarion on May 12, 2005, 07:15:52 PM
No one can deny that Jesus was the Son of God....There are proofs of his crucifixion and there are lots of texts from that period that testify his resurrection (some included in the bible, some not)....and thats the subject of many prohecies in the bible......So as far as I can see Jesus is our lord and saviour....Salassie is the one worthy to open the seven seals and that's why i consider him devine too....
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: alex on May 12, 2005, 11:26:21 PM
Yes i can most certainly deny the Jesus is the son of God
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: chesarion on May 13, 2005, 02:10:09 PM
How come? give me 5 reasons why he is not son of God, and i'll give you ten reasons why he IS!!!
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: alex on May 13, 2005, 02:27:12 PM
1. in Quran God says that he has not begotten a son despite waht the pagan trinatarian christians have said.
2. No where in the bible does he claim to be the son of God
3. the very word "son" in the hebrew/ahramic languages dont literally mean "son: but means "servant" so obviously this demonstrates how the translations of the bible have been misunderstood
4. Other people in the bible have been called the "son" of God, Hebrews 11:17 "By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice.  He who had received the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son...."
Jeremiah 31:9 "I am a Father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn."  
Psalm 2:7 "....Jehovah had said onto me (David), thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee, so whats so special about jesus being the son of God even if he is.
5. If jesus was the "son" of God than tell me did God sleep with Mary and does God look like a man?
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: alex on May 13, 2005, 02:35:44 PM
and do you think the bible actually means a biologically son? back than "son" didnt neccesarly biological son but it was like for example a blacksmith to a apprantice would say "son" and the apprentice would say "father" even though they werent really related they still had a common cause.
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: Oo.oO on May 14, 2005, 04:42:00 PM
"1. in Quran God says that he has not begotten a son despite waht the pagan trinatarian christians have said."

*1. In the Holy Bible it says that He has begotten a son.

Luke Ch.1 v.35 - "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee: wherefore also the holy thing which is begotten shall be called the Son of God."
John Ch.1 v.14 - "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father), full of grace and truth."
John Ch.1 v.18 - "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
John Ch.3 v.16 - "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life."
John Ch.3 v.18 - "He that believeth on him is not judged: he that believeth not hath been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only begotten Son of God."

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"2. No where in the bible does he claim to be the son of God."

*2. Yes, Jesus does make this claim,  neither does He ever deny it!

Matthew Ch.8 v.28-34 - (...v.29) And behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with You, Jesus, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?
Matthew Ch.14 v.22-33 - (...v.33) And those in the boat came and worshiped Him, saying, Truly You are the Son of God.
Matthew Ch.16 v.13-20 - (...v.16) And Simon Peter answered and said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Matthew Ch.26 v.57-68 - (...v.63-64) But Jesus was silent. And the high priest answered and said to Him, I adjure you by the living God that you tell us whether you are the Christ, the Son of God. Jesus said to him, "It is as you said. I tell you more. From this time you shall see the Son of Man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming on the clouds of the heavens."
Mark Ch.3 v.1-12 - (...v.11)  And unclean spirits, when they saw Him, they fell down before Him and cried, saying, You are the Son of God!
Mark Ch.5 v.1-20 - (...v.7) And cried with a loud voice, and said, What is to me and to You, Jesus, son of the Most High God? I adjure You by God not to torment me.
Mark Ch.15 v.33-41 - (...v.39) And when the centurion, who stood across from him, saw that He cried out so, and expired, he said, Truly this man was Son of God.
Luke Ch.1 v.35 - And the angel answered and said to her, The Holy Spirit shall come on you, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow you. Therefore also that Holy One which will be born of you shall be called Son of God.
Luke Ch.4 v.1-13 - (...v.3) And the Devil said to Him, If you are the Son of God, speak to this stone that it might become bread.
Luke Ch.4 v.40-41 - (...v.41) And also demons came out of many, crying out and saying, You are the Christ, the Son of God! And rebuking them, He did not allow them to speak; for they knew Him to be the Christ.
Luke Ch.22 v.66-71 - (...v.70) And they all said, Are you then the Son of God? And He said to them, You rightly say that I AM!
John Ch.1 v.43-51 - (...v.49) Nathanael answered and said to Him, Rabbi, You are the Son of God. You are the King of Israel!
John Ch.6 v.60-71 - (...v.69) And we have believed and have known that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.
John Ch.9 v.35-41 - (...v.32-39) From everlasting it was not heard that anyone opened the eyes of one who was born blind. If this One were not of God, He could do nothing. They answered and said to him, You were altogether born in sins, and do you teach us? And they cast him out. Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and finding him, He said to him, Do you believe on the Son of God? And he answered and said, Who is He, Lord, that I might believe on Him? And Jesus said to him, You have both seen Him, and it is He who is speaking with you. And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshiped Him. And Jesus said, I have come into this world for judgment, that they who do not see might see, and that they who see might be made blind.
John Ch.10 v.36 - do you say of Him whom the Father has sanctified and sent into the world, You blaspheme, because I said, I am the Son of God?
John Ch.11 v.1-16 (...v.4) When Jesus heard, He said, This sickness is not to death, but for the glory of God, so that the Son of God might be glorified by it.
John Ch.11 v.17-37 - (...v26-27) And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this? She said to Him, Yes, Lord, I have believed that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who has come into the world.
John Ch.19 v.7 The Jews answered him, We have a Law, and by our Law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.

etc... etc...

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Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: Oo.oO on May 14, 2005, 04:58:40 PM
Cont...

"4. Other people in the bible have been called the "son" of God, Hebrews 11:17 "By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice.  He who had received the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son...." "

*4. This is speaking of Abraham's one & only son, Isaac... not God's. It is a misinterpretation on your part!

Psalm 2:7 "....Jehovah had said onto me (David), thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee, so whats so special about jesus being the son of God even if he is.

This passage - Psalm Ch.2 v.1-12 is a prophetic message about the triumph of the promised Messiah, Jesus. Incidentally, Jesus fulfilled every prophecy about the Messiah, which were written before He was born. Again, you have misunderstood, or been misinformed.

"5. If jesus was the "son" of God than tell me did God sleep with Mary and does God look like a man?"

*5. Jesus was conceived by the power of the eternal Holy Spirit of God, & was given the vehicle of flesh through Mary, from the line of David (both legally & biologically).

Matthew Ch.1 v.18-25
Luke Ch.1 v.26-38
John Ch.1 v.1-34


John Ch.1 v.18 - No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

Let no one deceive you. Seek for yourselves these things, & see that they are true.

Peace to you all
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: haftrini on May 15, 2005, 05:15:29 AM
I worship Christ as God in the flesh and look to Selassie I for inspiration from HIM's holy life and dedication to the same Christ.

It's never really bothered me much that a lot of Christians are only so in name. If you take the Apostles to reason and consider Judas, then one out of every 12 Christians could be a Judas, but more so as the End come, as John says that many antiChrists have gone out in the world.

In Trinidad, many Rastas would steal with the excuse that since all belongs to Jah then all is up for grabs, but I never hated the bredren over this one. If he were a real Rasta he wouldn't steal unless it was bread to feed himself or what not, so it's not like in my mind I equated Rasta with theft. I just saw a Rasta who wasn't acting right at the time.

Same with Christians. If white "Christians" kept slaves, then what Christ did they get this reasoning from? From the One that said He came to set captives free? Like Judas they may run with the lions but on that Day they'll be put out with the goats and under the feet of Him Who Rules from Zion, Christ Eternal!

Slavery and the like is Babylon. Freedom and respect for all is Zion. Or so I see it.

But here in the Western Hemisphere I don't blame anyone who distrust Christianity.

First, anyone worthy of respect earns it from you first, so you shouldn't trust anyone who says they come in the name of good anyway until they earn the right to be trusted. So Christians here have some respect to earn, not demand.

Second, the Christianity here is mostly dogma and self-centered protest rather than a helping hand and freedom. What good does any of this do? Christ was pleased when the Apostles set men free and fed the multitudes in His name, not when the demons were subject to them.

If Christianity doesn't have a good name I think it's because the love that we were commanded to have is gone from the streets. We should be ready to die for our neighbor, not ready to judge him.

With Rasta, this missing love is being brought back to the front. Selassie I lived it and taught it, now we must do the same.

That's how I see things.
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: whereismyzion on May 16, 2005, 04:09:01 PM
Doesnt it say in the Bible that the Lord lets us all be sons of god??
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: whereismyzion on May 16, 2005, 04:10:44 PM
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name
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And Jesus said, I have come into this world for judgment, that they who do not see might see, and that they who see might be made blind.

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So Jesus gives us the power to become the sons of god. he gives us help to see mighty Jah kingdom. I belive that it all comes from within I selves. that within I selves we have to power to be sons of god, Jesus was! and because Jesus was also a man- it would be fair to assume that we too could be like Jesus,
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: M-Dub on May 16, 2005, 04:54:07 PM
Greetings and peace.

Of course we are the sons of God. He created us, therefore He is our Father.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: herbsman on May 23, 2005, 02:48:32 PM
Hotep !!!

jesus was a man.

Thats all.

Get away from da brain washing that babyLion has done to you.

Christianity spread thru JAH earth not from peace....from destruction , murder, slavery....thats how they made you believe.

I got away from that and turned me mind free to see the truth.

JAH  is a female .

brother DUB ,  try that one on.

peace

Ankh oodja Sneb

MIKE
da HAMMER

p.s.....bredren DUB  ,  I and I have da knowLedge that you Know who opened da seals....I think NEGUS answered it......SELASSIE 1
                   JAH Ras TafarI
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: Mike on May 23, 2005, 05:21:57 PM
Ima tell you otha Mike,I do not pray to Jesus I do not pray to Sellasie.The only point I was tryin to make is that dem both good men.Son is meant in hebrew and ahmaric as servant,thats the way I always have seen it!

Remember the people who raped Africa were the paganistic Catholics,and Anglican English.Anglican is basically Englands version of Catholism so there,you were colonized by Pagans,believers of false idols.True Christians slam everything they stand for and all that bad history them commited.

Although Christians still misunderstand Jesus as the son of God,I do not.I have friends who I am tryin to reason with that the term "Son" was misunderstood as we are all sons of God.Because we are his servants.
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: JahJahSon on May 23, 2005, 09:55:42 PM
the way i see it is, christians(majority of people) think of jesus as god.  What jesus was, was a good or even great man who tried to lead people to a better life.  He opposed the system and was nailed to the cross for being a rebel.  While a great man and even a hero, i dont see him as god, or even lord.  People have done horrible things in his name thinking they were right.  Slavery, stealing of the Native Americans land.  Multiple wars.  If Jesus were alive to see this he would be appauled.  I see Jesus and Selassie in the same type of light.  Follow their teachings and respect them as the men they were.
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: Mike on May 24, 2005, 05:00:12 AM
It all comes down to this "Pope is a bald head,But Jah Jah is ah natty dread!" :D
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: herbsman on May 25, 2005, 03:06:02 PM
Hotep!!!

not seen brother Mike....it comes up to much more than what idren jus said.

Ankh udja Sneb

One Love from MICHAEL
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: Mike on May 26, 2005, 02:23:43 AM
My good man I know it comes down to much more I just had to throw in that classic line from a Lee Perry track.

Bless
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: herbsman on May 26, 2005, 01:38:08 PM
seeeen   brothern mike
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: M-Dub on May 27, 2005, 08:06:11 PM
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He is the Creator God that loved mankind so much, he became a man himself to have us relate to him.


I think you mean he was of the Creator. Jesus was not God himself (according to the Bible). The Creator created Jesus.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: M-Dub on May 27, 2005, 09:52:04 PM
Can you please quote where in the Bible it says Jesus is the Creator of the earth and all life?

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: M-Dub on May 28, 2005, 09:31:10 PM
I still believe you're mistaken that Jesus is the Creator (though I will study these chapters to be sure). How could God create the Creator? It doesn't really make sense.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: alex on May 29, 2005, 02:42:19 AM
ambassador you confuse yourself, first of all where the hell did you christians get this "trinity" concept? why in the old testament does it not mention any trinity or the christian concept of God being 3?
bible says "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.(deuteronomy 6:4)" so here the Bible says God is one and not 3..and Jesus even says "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one (Mark 12:29) so even Jesus himself says that God is one and if he himself was God than he would have said "I am the one God"..i could rumble on for hours disproving that jesus isnt God and that he certainly isn't part of some pagan trinity. sorry if i offeneded you at all but im so tired of christians preaching on what they do not understand.
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: haftrini on May 29, 2005, 06:04:24 AM
M-Dub,

I thought over your point, which is a good thing to bring up:

"How could God create the Creator? It doesn't really make sense."

In the Coptic and Tewahedo Churches, and other Orthodox Christian Churches, God didn't create Jesus. Jesus is Jahovah in the flesh.

It goes like this: in our thought, mankind didn't become evil when Adam and Eve fell into sin, mankind encountered death, which imprisoned them in a slumber forever so that they couldn't fully dwell in the presence of God.

So mankind was imprisoned by death. The Bible says man, not God, dies...

"And as it is appointed unto men once to die" Hebrews 9:27

God is eternal and deathless...

"The eternal God is thy refuge" Deuteronomy 33:27.

But only man can die and only God can destroy death.

So God promised to liberate us from death.....

"I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes." Hosea 13:14

By becoming a human being...

"and the Word was God"...."And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" John 1;14

to save us from death....

"And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die" John 11:26

"For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him" 1 Thessalonians 4:14

"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death" Revelations 21:4

That's about it. I know a lot of people that just can't believe that God became a human being.

I see it like this: there isn't anything that Jah can't do. So I limit His power if I say He can't become human. So then the issue, for me, changes from CAN Jah become a man to DID Jah become a man?

For that answer I studied history books.

I've always liked that question you brought up. I used to think upon it a lot way back. I'm glad you mentioned it.
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: Bozzy on May 30, 2005, 06:47:19 AM
Hey guys, id like everyone to know ive entered this forum free of all clutter and hatred with a free and open mind ready to listen.

I ( a practicing catholic of 16 years of age ) often get upset when i hear people bashing catholicism and what not. I understand we have a dark  past that has left a stain on the all who practice catholicism, but what truly wounds me is ignorance and intolerance. We as catholics worship God almight and belive in the ressurection of the christ and the pretection granted to us by the holy spirit. It is not what we believe as christians that is corrupt, but many of the men who take on our name. The bible says, ( and also you can relate with bob marley  )  there are the sheep, and the sheep in wolves clothing. It is these wolves that ravage not only our respectability amongst other religions but the respctabilty of all religions. For there are wolves lurking amongst us always and everywhere.....

Thank you so much for listening,

Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: Bozzy on May 30, 2005, 06:49:38 AM
AHH i misquoted!!!!!!! please forgive me brothers an sisters.... i said sheep and sheep in wolves clothing .

The correct saying is Wolves in sheep's clothing
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: Raszeb on May 30, 2005, 02:30:03 PM
Bozzy I don't get what you are saying. Are you telling Rasta people about intollerance that catholics have against them? This is very strange. Catholic is the lagerst most powerful sect of christainity. Should Rasta feel sorry for catholics? when someone judge something shouldn't they take the sum of all parts. It seems like the wolves ate most of the catholic sheep. So maybe the few sheep in the congregation are the exception to the rule.
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: M-Dub on May 30, 2005, 04:53:35 PM
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Jesus is NOT the father, nor is he the Holy Spirt, but he IS God. The Father is NOT Jesus (The Son), but He IS God. The Holy Spirit, is NOT the Father or Son, but he IS God. God has manifested himself three-fold, and exist as such: Father (Creator) - The Spirit that no man see. The Son [Jesus] (Reedeemer) of mankind who was losted to God by sin - The Almight God in Human skin. And, The Holy Spirit (Comforter) - the heart of God.


I'm still having trouble seeing why Son would create Father, seen?

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I ( a practicing catholic of 16 years of age ) often get upset when i hear people bashing catholicism and what not. I understand we have a dark  past that has left a stain on the all who practice catholicism, but what truly wounds me is ignorance and intolerance. We as catholics worship God almight and belive in the ressurection of the christ and the pretection granted to us by the holy spirit. It is not what we believe as christians that is corrupt, but many of the men who take on our name. The bible says, ( and also you can relate with bob marley  )  there are the sheep, and the sheep in wolves clothing. It is these wolves that ravage not only our respectability amongst other religions but the respctabilty of all religions. For there are wolves lurking amongst us always and everywhere.....


Please forgive those who show intolerance to Catholosism. It's just so hard to show tolerance to a church with a history of pure evil. I agree with you, many are corrupt that take on the Catholic name (like the child molesting priests, and then there are the "higher ups" who find out about these child molesters and transfer them instead of reporting them). Let's also not forget how the Catholics kidnapped Natives from their reserves and forced them to go to Catholic school, beat them, forced them to lose their Native names and adopt white names, raped them, etc. The Catholic church has never apologized for these acts nor the numerous other horrible acts the church spearheaded or was responsible for. Please forgive those who aren't very tolerant of the church. I should also mention, many colored people don't have tolerance for the Catholic church as the church has always (even unto this day) portrayed Jesus as a white man when he most definitely wasn't white according to the Bible and many other books and research (how would you feel as an African being told that God is white?). Bredren, I ask that you overstand why some have an intolerance for Catholics or Christians in general, there is very good reason behind it.

I come with love for all and I discriminate against none, but while you don't understand why some have no tolerance for the Catholic church, others don't understand why some have tolerance for the Catholic church.

We should all overstand each others differences and work together to make this world a better place.

One love

One people

One place

Jah bless
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: Bozzy on May 30, 2005, 06:07:11 PM
i appreciate your post. I understand that today .... I as a partaker in the catholic faith, am reaping what other evil men haw sewn. This i believe is unfair to both myself and to others who wish to follow God. Now i believe one brother asked me if i said people should feel sorry for catholics and that is NO. We are no higher nor lower than anybody as we all on this earth are equals. I just get so angry because we carry such a bad reputation because of what our forefathers did . God curse thei wrong doings. I as a catholic say that I am sorry for all the wrongs commited in the past by the catholic church, though little authority i have for i am so far beneath the Lord, i ust thought i as a man would apologize to my brothers. And when i refered to ignorance and intolerance i was not directing it towards those who congregate in this forum but to those around the world whom smite what they do not know whatever it may be
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: haftrini on May 30, 2005, 09:06:50 PM
Fiya,

Forgive me, but I'm lost wit what you say. In a different post on this thread you said:

"Why are Christians so tolerant of the evil within their religion. Yet not tolerant of the goodness in a next man of a different faith."

Now you say:

"Idren you are on a Rasta site so you are addressing those that congregrate here. As Rasta I will Itinually keep the Fiyah Burning against Rome/Babylon with NO appologies!!!!"

So you want Christians to be tolerant of those next to them, but you want to "keep the Fiyah Burning against Rome" ?

This sounds familiar.....

It sounds like the same people who equate Rome with Babylon who said:

"Out with the two-horned monster, the pope."
http://english.people.com.cn/english/200104/26/eng20010426_68675.html

""Out with the two-horned beast, the Pope of Rome 666!" read a banner""
http://www.pravoslavie.ru/english/news010427.htm

Here's a link to a picture of people holding a banner that says the Pope is the Antichrist:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1310000/images/_1312593_protest300.jpg

The only thing is, the quotes above are the words of Christians and the picture is of Christian clergy protesting the Pope's visit to Greece. But you said:

"Why are Christians so tolerant of the evil within their religion" and you equated Rome with Babylon (with NO apologies). Yet here are Christians not tolerating the same thing you call evil.

But, I'm also wondering what kind of tolerance this is. If you mean that you want to keep the fiya burning against evil men, then wouldn't you say "evil men/Babylon" instead of "Rome/Babylon"?

You grouped all Christians together and said they are intolerant.

Did your people die when America bombed Christians in Serbia instead of Serbian Communists? Did your people fight to keep Ethiopia from being invaded by Babylon?

Because I sat with my Serbian Christian brothers and sisters and had to watch them cry and wail while the country I live in slaughtered their families. I drink from the same chalice as the Christian sons of those Christian people who fought off Babylon in northern Ethiopia with no fear and NO apology. Good men who are very loyal to Selassie I's memory, a man whose care they lived under personally.

One good Serbian Christian friend of mine lost her father because he died of a stress-related heart attack from living in the midst of constant war. Now she's a Christian orphan.

So, like I said, I'm confused as to what you mean when you say you want to keep the "fiya burning" against "Rome/Babylon" with NO apologies, but demand tolerance of Christians around you.

If Christians also protest "Rome/Babylon" and respect other people's religions, then how are you different from them? I don't understand.

Can you please explain?

One love
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: Bozzy on May 31, 2005, 04:37:38 AM
haha wow brotha ...

child molesting priests are scum. Every man is Created equal. It is MEN that create these barriers of inequality through hatred and through their own sin. You have not molested any children, you have not commited a sin as devious as that. Sin is not equal, but all men are sinners. And if i am not equal to you because i am a catholic boy then you are carrying the same banner of prejudice that men have carried for centuries. Now i am not passing judgement on you, because i do not know you and its not my place to do so. But i tell you now that i am a man whom forgives all harms done to me as my faith tells me to do. Sigh, i am not black, i will never understand what it is like to be downpressed the way people of black skin are. Sorry if you do not accept my apology, i as a man do my very best to live by true christian values to show those the true light of christianity. I mean no harm or offense to you brother, without brotherhood, we are lost.

Love [smiley=smiley.gif]
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: Bozzy on May 31, 2005, 11:36:33 PM
Some one stated earlier :

You say " jesus was rejected ".....ONLY by his enemies....supposedly jesus had many followers.


When they speak of his rejection and when christs quotes psalms saying. The stone the builder refused, shall be the head corner stone.  He is referrring to the jews which throughout the bible are reffered to as God's people and when God's people do not recognize christ as the messiah, that is the rejection they speak of.... i thought id  clarify what that meant
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: Oo.oO on June 01, 2005, 11:41:05 AM
Dear M-Dub, my friend

I have skim read some of the posts concerning this discussion, as I do not have much time at this moment. One thing that you said has caught my attention, it was this:

"I'm still having trouble seeing why Son would create Father, seen?"

The following is something written a little while back. Please read & ask any questions that relate to this topic.

Many thanks for your time...

There is ONE God & He is made up by three persons, a little like the three in one oil that you can buy. When the three components are joined, they make up the oil to a whole. Or maybe a fruit juice comprising of orange, blackcurrant & lemon - all these three fruit flavour's make up one whole, complete fruit juice flavour.

Since man is God's ultimate creation, created in the image of God, He has a special interest in man, & desires a relationship with His creation - man. That is why God strives with mankind, & has done since the beginning, & that is why men feel the presence of a divine & all powerful creator, & the desire to search for 'it' within them. It is intrinsic, truth implanted at conception. God wants to show men who He is, what He is like and how their initial relationship, before man's disobedience, can be restored.

The first book of John's gospel tells us about the Word, that was with God, & that He was God, how He became flesh, & how He was there in creation. Jesus in turn, later, tells His followers that He will send the Holy Spirit to give power, comfort & encourage them.

So... God split into three parts in order to deal with Satan's evil schemes of destruction & to bring salvation to mankind. In this way God could make Himself, & His plan known to man, at the relevant times throughout history.

God - Jehovah/Yahweh/YHWH/The Father: The creator of all things, the omni present overseer & master of the universe, the sovereign power, one who cannot abide sin, unrighteousness or unholiness. In the Old Testament God conversed with men of faith, such as Abraham, Moses, Joshua, David, Elijah, Ezekiel, & Isaiah amongst others. Most of these were known as prophets because they were mediators between God & men. God showed these great men of faith what He wanted the people of Israel to know, in order to follow the paths of righteousness, & these men made these things known to Israel. God is eternal. There is much about God & His deeds in the Old & New Testaments of the Holy Bible.

God - The Son/Yeshua Meshiach/Jesus Christ/Anointed One: The Lord Jesus Christ is God manifest in the flesh. He came to our earth as a man, primarily to communicate God's word to us first hand, so that men could relate perfectly with God, because He was one of us. By being a man & at the same time God, Jesus represents God to man, & man to God. Because God hates sin, it separates us from Him, so He became a man to deal with it for us, by dying on the cross. You see the wages of sin is death, and being that all men are sinners; Jesus was the only solution to reconcile man back to God. Jesus was perfect, because He was God, He knew no sin, therefore He did not deserve the death sentence that sin brings. He died willingly, as a perfect, sinless sacrifice so that sinners can have a relationship with God through Jesus Christ. On the third day Jesus was resurrected from the dead, by the power of God. Because of this we can come before God, & He will accept us. In the Old Testament the only way for men to receive forgiveness of sins was for a priest to offer a perfect sacrifice (usually an innocent lamb) to God on behalf of the people. This is why Jesus is often refered to as the Lamb of God & this is why Christ is the ONLY way to God, because He died once, & became this perfect sacrifice for all men. He is the saviour of mankind. The arrival of Jesus Christ was prophesied in lots of places in the Old Testament. Jesus is eternal; this means He was in the beginning with God before the world was created. You can read about Jesus Christ & His deeds & sayings in the New Testament of The Holy Bible. I especially love the Gospel of John Ch.1 v.1-18 (The Word being Jesus.) ;)

God - The Holy Spirit/The Comforter: Jesus told us that He would send & pour out the Holy Spirit of God, to men who believe in Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit is a counsellor, a teacher; He helps the man of God to discern the truth, & to follow the ways of God. He convicts the hearts of men of their sin, in order to correct them in their ways. He shows understanding & wisdom to those who put their faith in Christ. Encouraging them in their faith. God gave us the gift of the Holy Spirit to guide us through life with Him on this earth until Jesus returns to make us perfect & sinless. The Holy Spirit is eternal. The arrival & pouring out of The Holy Spirit is written about in the Acts of The Apostles Ch.2.

None of these are any more important than the other, all are worthy of our utmost reverence & praise, as they are all God, & the Bible says that at the end of time, when all is said & done every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

So there you have it, it has nothing to do with religion but it is the truth of how God has reached down to us, to save us from the evil one, & how God loves all men & wants us to accept the truth that He has shown us, through His Word written by the pen of His servants (the Holy Bible), His Son Jesus Christ, & the Holy Spirit.

Peace
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: M-Dub on June 01, 2005, 03:21:49 PM
Sorry Oo.oO, did I miss something? You didn't answer my question in any fashion bredren, but I thank you for taking the time to write. I am saying it doesn't make sense that the Son created the Father. It is not even how humans are naturally. Father and Mother create Son, seen?

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: Oo.oO on June 01, 2005, 03:54:51 PM
[smiley=laugh.gif]

M-Dub - You didn't miss anything my friend - maybe I did.

I did state that I skim read the posts, so I may have misunderstood something, or indeed the initial post that you responded to - sorry.

I do think, however that what was written goes some way to explain your question.

Nobody created God, He is eternal. Jesus being the manifestation of God in our mortal flesh, was conceived by the Holy Spirit of God through a woman, the route into this world for all men. This made Jesus both God & man.

Jesus always referred to The Father - His Father, who provided His pure spirit. His mother of course was Mary, who provided the flesh for Jesus. Jesus already existed, He is eternal, as God.

So whatever this confusion is about the Son creating the Father, I'm not sure, but I agree it doesn't make sense, nor is it something that I'm familiar with. Chapter 1 of John's Gospel is a great explanation of who the Son is, & how He came to be.

Thank you for taking the time to read what has been written, I hope it makes sense - I appreciate it.

Peace  

 
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: M-Dub on June 01, 2005, 04:20:10 PM
Thanks Oo.oO I was mainly asking The Ambassador as I've never heard anyone preach the message that Jesus created the earth and the stars. Especially when it says in the Bible that God created everything (including Jesus).

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: Oo.oO on June 01, 2005, 04:44:23 PM
Dear M-Dub

I have just read what The_Ambassador wrote.

I am in total agreement with him/her, notice he/she wrote this: "God did not create Jesus, Jesus always existed as part of a triune God. He was the word of God made flesh. Jesus is not the father, but like the Holy Spirit, he is God. If they was no Jesus, or any other part of the 3 persons that make up the Godhead (trinity), there would be no God."

The_Ambassador's answers to Xlae_GRA are also very helpful...

God = the creator - Jesus = God in the flesh - do you see?

Along with the other verses The_Ambassador quoted, remember to read the first Chapter of John's Gospel also - as has been said - take it to God in prayer, ask Him all these things & let Him show you.

Peace
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: M-Dub on June 01, 2005, 05:10:12 PM
Greetings and peace.

I have re-read and I guess I got off topic of what I was disputing.

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Well, according to the Bible, Jesus is the Creator of the earth, and everything in it. He is the Word made flesh.


This is not according to the Bible. The Bible says God created the earth. In arguing semantics, yes, you could say Jesus did, but nowhere in the Bible does it specifically say Jesus created the earth. One must overstand the distinction between Jesus, Jah and the Holy Spirit. Praise Jesus from saving all from their sins, praise Jah for creating the earth, the sea, the stars, the moons.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: M-Dub on June 01, 2005, 06:10:41 PM
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1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,  
2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.


Thank you for helping me prove my point. "he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. Who is he? Jah!

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I understand that every one is given the free will and choice to believe what they want, so I will not try to convince you of Biblical truth. What I will do instead, however is, ask you where you got your information.


You have this information. It is up to each individual to unlock the knowledge of the universe. It is undisputable fact that all things are made up of energy and in essence, energy is Jah. All is energy and energy is all. All is Jah and Jah is all, seen? Therefore, if everything is energy and energy cannot be created or destroyed, then we are born with all the knowledge ever contained in this universe. Our level of consciousness will determine how much of this knowledge we unlock.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: M-Dub on June 01, 2005, 06:55:46 PM
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The scripture begins with He (God the Father) speaking to us through his Son (Jesus), who he has appointed all things, and through whom, (Jesus again) did he make the universe. Did you catch that? It is through Jesus did God the Father creater everything. Again, God exist as a triune Godhead. Through the living word, which was later made flesh [Jesus] (John 1:1), God made Everything. In the book of Genesis it says, in the Begining God said let there be light, and there was light. What was that light? That light was not from the sun, moon, or stars, because those things were created on the 4th day. But, the light existed with God, as part of God, and then apart from God. Later, the Bible reveals that the "light" is Jesus. Jesus himself said that he is the light of the world. He always existed as God, but manifested himself as a man to relate to man, and essentially save man from the wrath of God. Do you know why Jesus had to die?


Ok, so it is speaking of Jah creating the earth. Anyways, enough with the semantics. Yes, the light could most definitely be Jesus. Let there be light (Light=Sun=Son).

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: M-Dub on June 01, 2005, 07:55:46 PM
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No, it is speaking of God the Father creating everything through the Son, Jesus. That said, you didnt answer my question.


Agreed, God the Father created everything (for some reason you need to say "through the Son". I do not).

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Do you know why Jesus had to die?


No, I'm afraid I don't. I have read the Bible description of why Jesus had to die, but it doesn't really explain true reason. Then again, by knowing what the Bible says, does not mean I overstand. Let me throw that question back at you, do you know why Jesus had to die? I'm not asking if you know what it says in the Bible. I am asking do you truly overstand why Jesus had to die?

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: M-Dub on June 01, 2005, 10:23:01 PM
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I say "through the Son" because God mentiones it. I believe if God mentions it in his word (The Bible), then we too should not only mention it, but believe it. Do you know what I'm saying? We must give Jesus praise for Creating everything, including us.


And what do you give Jah praises for? Nothing? If Jah created the universe through Jesus, Jah still created the universe, seen? Just like if someone says "I spread Jah's word through this forum" it is still the person who spread the word.

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Yes, I know why Jesus had to die. I learned it when I saw the truth for myself. What is the truth? Well, the truth is that by God's Law, I am already guilty. I was born in sin, and have sined throughout my time. So lets see, I've lied, stolen, comitted adultry, called God's name in vain, didnt keep the Sabbath, etc. By my own cofession, I've broken 5 Laws of God. If I lived all my life doing good deeds trying to make up for the Laws I've broken, it would be in vain. This is because I've already broken the Law, nothing I do now will change that - I am already guilty! But, because God so Loved the world, he sent his Son - the Messiah - the ONLY perfect and sinless man who EVER fulfilled the Law of God, that he may take the punishment of the Law for me, and all those that would trust in him. If you ever look at yourself in light of God's law, and use it as a moral mirror to see yourself how God sees you, then you would also know why Jesus died, and you will fall in Love with Jesus.


This is purely based on the Bible. I asked you to leave the Bible out and truly try to answer the question from yourself. Everything you have said here comes from teachings of the Bible. Try to answer the question if you can without the Bible. Even with the Bible you didn't answer the question asked. I'll post it again: Why did Jesus have to die? Before you answered with "Yes, I know why Jesus had to die. I learned it when I saw the truth for myself. What is the truth? Well, the truth is that by God's Law, I am already guilty." See how you didn't answer the question?

One love

Jah bless



Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: M-Dub on June 01, 2005, 10:47:39 PM
Sorry Ambassador, perhaps I should reword my question so you can overstand what I'm asking.

For what reason did Jesus have to come to earth and die? I mean, the power of Jah is infinite, seen? It's not like there aren't a million other ways to achieve the same thing. I'm not trying to discredit anything you're saying, what I'm trying to do is make sense of it.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: M-Dub on June 01, 2005, 11:29:04 PM
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I am telling you that life is iternal. The punishment for wickedness is spiritual separation! this is what ones call death! All will have to physically pass away. Whether one is good or evil. So if one is not living in heaven now they should stop what they are doing and make changes to their life! If you are not living the example of Jesus calling on Jesus is not going to save you. For it is presumptuous to think only Christians that call the name Jesus are going to a place call heaven after they pass.  
Man is partial but not the Creator Almighty Jah is not!For Jah is in all things and all things exist within Jah!


Seen! Whoo! It's getting hot in here! Blaze dat Fiyah up!

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: M-Dub on June 01, 2005, 11:34:42 PM
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So Fyah, if a man rapes and kills you, then dies himself. God wont punish him for doing that evil to you? He would just die, and cease to exist, without God giving him justice?


Whoa, you completely missed what Fiyah was saying. He wasn't saying anything like that. I advise you to study this mans words.

If a pond looks as if it is shallow, will you accept that it is shallow?

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: EmpressCarla on June 02, 2005, 12:06:26 AM
Just want to add some personal comments to this thread.

I was raised Christian all my life. The teachings were, "holiness or hell", kinda like what's being spewed in this thread (wrapped up in a nice, calm, sweet, loving package). The same people who preached this absolute "holiness or hell" doctrine, most times failed to live up to it--scratch that--they NEVER lived up to it! And when I began to see this, I prayed to God (through His Son Jesus, of course) to show me His will for my life.

I prayed the sinner's prayer, asking to be saved from my sins, and I believed I was. This time, I took my prayer a step further. I asked God to reveal His truth to me. I didn't want to just live my life going through the motions of religion. If there was something deeper to be had, I wanted it. Immediately, I felt relieved, knowing that God had heard my prayers.

And since then, I have been seeking to know my Creator. Reading the Bible, praying, fasting and reasoning. And you know what? Things have been, and are being revealed to me in ways that are at times hard to handle. Now here's the kicker: the more I seek God, the further away from Christianity I get!  

God is revealing quite clearly to me how these Christian teachings do not uplift. Rather, they put down. And as I read the explanations on this thread of how Jesus died for my sins, only to further oppress me rather than uplift me, I can see why I'm getting further away from the teachings. Christianity leaves no room for me as a creation of God. No, I am merely a puppet. For if I do not behave according to your doctrine, not as how I am truly led by God, but by how your doctrine dictates, then God's wrath will slam down on me. Forever and ever! Amen!

That is preaching hate and intolerance, not love. Jah is love. I KNOW this to be true. For the more I seek Jah, the more I radiate love. My countenance has changed, my moods have changed, my thinking has changed. I AM saved. Not from sin though, from ignorance, from oppression, from being a blind slave to religion.

Now, Christians might say that I have been given up to a reprobated mind. But remember, I prayed to God through His Son Jesus for a revelation. Where Jah has led, I followed. So I give thanks to Jah for showing me things I've never seen before. For showing me that I can live a righteous livity and not have to move through life unaware. There are many things I do not know, yet for the first time in life, I am encouraged to seek Jah for more knowledge and overstanding. With the happiness of knowing that Carla does not have to die in order for God to be pleased.

What I am trying to say is that this "Jesus is the only way" talk is limiting, and dangerous. While the Bible does instruct us to seek God for ourselves, that is the last thing Christians want you to do! You are just supposed to believe. Well, I don't believe anymore. I KNOW that Jah is guiding me.

I do not claim Rastafari, yet I can certainly see how Rastas are the true Christians. I would advise Christians to stop viewing God as some big, angry being that you should fear. There is no need to fear love. What you should fear is ignorance and blind allegiance. That is what God hates.

But you won't take my advice, because to do so would mean you'd have to step outside the rhetoric and truly question the validity of your "beliefs". And that is just too scary for most.

So continue to come to Rasta forums so that you can "save the heathens". How very big of you. But while you're doing so, I invite you to pull up a chair and do some reading and learning as well. Then, I advise you to take your own medicine: pray, and ask God for a revelation. You may be surprised at what Jah reveals.

In any event, be blessed.
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: EmpressCarla on June 02, 2005, 01:47:40 AM
Whoa! What happened to all of the Ambassador's posts?  [smiley=huh.gif]
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: Rasta Nick on June 02, 2005, 02:20:35 AM
Not something I would want people to speculate about so

http://forums.rasta-man.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=forumnews;action=display;num=1117677749 (http://forums.rasta-man.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=forumnews;action=display;num=1117677749)

...and no it is not something I enjoy but am determined not to let things get as silly as before!!

Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: paco on June 02, 2005, 03:23:44 AM


greetings carla, one of thee best posts(your raised christian) i've experienced here. inspiring to me. [smiley=smiley.gif]
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: Bozzy on June 02, 2005, 04:32:05 AM
Fiyah,

My concious is clear. Sorry for the missunderstanding of my apologies. I'm sorry my brother that certain people associated and incorporated in the catholic heirarchy have yet to accept facts as facts. i understand what you see babylon as and the fire with which you burn and others burn will hopefull purge us of all the evil  men have stained our faith with

Love  [smiley=smiley.gif]
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: M-Dub on June 02, 2005, 03:56:39 PM
Big ups to the mighty wombman Carla! Inspiring and wise words.

Mo' fiyah!

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: haftrini on June 03, 2005, 11:05:20 AM
Fiyah,

"Idren Christianity as it is now is Rome/Babylon. How you going to protest against yourself?"

You can't lump all Christians together and come to a blanket conclusion. What if 12 Tribes Rastas were teaching hate and House of Bobo was protesting? Does that mean despite the protests that because of one group's hatred all of Rasta is evil? I don't think so.

"Christianity has been oppressive to peoples of the darker persuasion. You cannot deny this fact."

What about the Ethiopian and Coptic Churches? And the Syrian and Chaldean Churches? And the Churches of Nubia and Zaire? They're all independant Churches that are made up of only people of darker persuasion and their churches are the oldest ones in existence!

European Christians have been oppressive to peoples of darker persuasion, but European Christianity as we know it today didn't exist until after the rise of Charlemagne. Before that, Irish monks were trained in monasticism by Syrians and frequently travelled to Syria and Africa to learn more. After Charlemagne, Rome cut themselves off and declared themselves supreme. That's when racial troubles began in European Christianity.

Being a person of darker persuasion, I can't stand most European Christianity. It makes me puke. Plus they're teachings are all backwards. The don't allow beards, they believe God punishes non-Christians who live a moral life just because they "don't know Jeezis", and Jesus is always a white guy with a bad haircut and a toothy grin. ((puke))

--And to Carla--

Awesome post!!!  [smiley=smiley.gif] That was good writing!
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 03, 2005, 01:11:24 PM
If you insist on continuing to identify yourself with the name that raped the world,  you will be judged accordingly.  

Find the truth and leave Rastafari People out of your misunderstandings.  

Elijah I        
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: NegusNegustiality on June 03, 2005, 02:35:09 PM
Ises, regarding dis Jeezus thing, Dr. Peter McIntosh sez it best "everybody wanna go tuh heaven but nobody wanna die!"

Haile Selassie I
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: NegusNegustiality on June 03, 2005, 05:08:57 PM
Ises Fiyah,
Iman cite it in dis vein - dem con-cept of heaven is mega false since Emmanuel done told Ini where deh kingship of heaven is located -
so from Ini cite dis, Ini know dat Ini shall buid up or destroy Ini own heaven pon earth through Ini meditations, actions and wordsoundfiyah.  sedway Ini can accomplish dis inna state of hell.

Ini view Bush Doc's statement as deh epitomy of deh selfishness of deh Christian doctrine and how it exposes deh hypocrisy of dose pastors & church leaders teaching deh people outside of demselves, tuh wait for another life and disregard deh one dat dem have now.  dat is how Ini cite dese things -

Haile Selassie I
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: haftrini on June 03, 2005, 11:10:15 PM
Fiyah

If one is practicing evil as in your example of the TTOI they would not be considered Rasta in the first place. There are checks and balances. So your example is impossible. An individual might do certain things but as a whole the Rastafari movement would never tolerate what you are suggesting.  

I still don't get it. If a non-Rasta religious group believes in peace and not judging others and all this, and has a faction that recurringly comes about and does the opposite of what the religion teaches about peace, then why can't the group claim the same thing Rasta can, that since this other faction violated the faith they're not a part of it any longer?

Rasta is not waiting for a physical man to descend from the sky for this is metaphor and mythology. For if heaven is a state of consciousness then the clouds are thoughts and the christ is the Sun.

I believe both. I believe a Man will come again, but I also believe in this life! You have to live right in this life and seek freedom for all people in this life. "The Kingdom of Heaven is within you", not outside you, and not withheld from you and only available after you die, but in the soul right now. Zion reigns in the human hearts that keep the fire there.

So for me, man's redemption in this life, as well as the next, is possible I think.
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: Bozzy on June 04, 2005, 06:29:36 AM
U guys know...When peter tosh was in the wailers....get up stand up went... "We sick and tired if your ism-schism, to die and go to heaven in a jesus name NO! we know and we understand, the mighty God is a living man."

But then when it was marley a lone, It was just." Sick and tired of your ism-schism, die and go to heaven in a ism-schism"

thats weird

love [smiley=smiley.gif] [smiley=cool.gif]
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: starchyld-777 on June 04, 2005, 11:52:59 AM
greetings and love in the name of his imperial majesty Rasta-far-I hailie selassie i the 1st.right off i want to say that i dont believe that jesus existed as a person but rather as an idea of what all men could and should be, and that is annointed very much like christ and his imperial majesty.most of these stories were astrological allegory the truth is you die and ressurect everyday just like the son/sun of man wich rises and sets.we have the ability to regenerate in our sleep that we may be revitalized and then  when that energy is exausted we shall sleep/die and be ressurected just as the sun /sons and daughters of the universe its all just balance in the end you cannot have negative without the positive and vice versa.when selassie talks about deity in man what i balieve he is saying is that while man may have some of the attributes of god.we can neither look for jesus selassie or any man to represent the totality of god for we are just one of gods many manifestations i believe that there were and are many christs[annointed ones] some are even members of this forum i belive that anyone who stands for the truth is a christs for he was annointed with a certain truth to do so malcolm marcus marley martin luther king ghandi they were all forms of christ wich story comes from a plagerized story of hru isis set and osiris who was known as the perfect black.the message is to find god within know yourself and you will be saved... [smiley=cheesy.gif]
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: starchyld-777 on June 09, 2005, 06:58:22 PM
most people are looking for a saviour of some sort in these times. but the true savior is yourself jesus is not coming back . the truth is astrologically he never left for he is the son /sun of god wich is the whole sum of all things,god in itself is infinite.he rises and sets everyday. each morning he is ressurected from the dead of night.man turned god into flesh;that is to say man has an inherent need to explain his and all existence what better way to do that than with scripture wich is in itself a documentation of mans life on earth.jesus story is a plagarized drama of isis osiris set and isis so is the story of cain and abel.all of these are myths so dont get so caught up in jesus or selassie that you miss the significance of your own life....after all jesus serves as a model of what man could be and shoud be ,i believe that there have been many christs and saviours upon the earth  martin luther king marcus garvey malcolm x elijah muhumad ghandi,selassie i,desmond tutu ,mother theresa the list is endless when will we focus on the message instead of getting caught up in the myths of the messenger.how long will they kill our prophets while we stand aside and look.some say thats just a part of it cuz weve got to fufil the book.but the books are given by government with a new script the original has been tampered with so we are only getting misinformation,wich is probably why we debate as to what the truth really is. [smiley=lipsrsealed.gif]
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: starchyld-777 on June 09, 2005, 07:01:56 PM
f.y.i by the sum of all things i mean all creation i;e the universal omniverse. hotep.
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: M-Dub on June 09, 2005, 07:16:20 PM
The sun doesn't rise and set. Rotation leads to light or darkness.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: staci on June 09, 2005, 09:21:25 PM
I liked that statement as well M-Dub.  Im gonna have to remember that which Im not really sure why I didnt realize that before u stated it. hmmm, Open the mind and the mind will open to you, truly.
onelove
respectforall
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: starchyld-777 on June 10, 2005, 03:22:13 PM
the sunrise sunset thing was stated for those who do not know about the earths rotation all nuff respect though m-dub people need to know this iyah...i am no longer arguing about truth.I AM ALWAYS willing to learn more new things,that i may share with others hotep...also a shout out to rasta nick peace iyah i enjoy your forum son.and please note that i dont call you son in a condescending way i call you son/sun cuz you shine like one peace..... [smiley=smiley.gif]
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: joeyb on June 10, 2005, 03:43:31 PM
much respect to every man and woman of jah sharing their wisdom!
but like haftrini has been saying, as I sure many TTOI would - just because some (Babylon) have been using the afterlife/Heaven in the sky idea to keep idren quiet, can we not make the best of our world and another "plane of existence?" (great quote about life there)
so InI might say that Jesus reigns as Jah's purest embodiment - but that don't mean this life can't be just as significant and worthwhile!
one love and peace to all

joeyb
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: WIG on June 12, 2005, 07:12:10 PM
The word Jesus is the Latin form of the Greek Iesous, which in turn is the transliteration of the Hebrew Jeshua, or Joshua, or again Jehoshua, meaning "Jehovah is salvation."

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The word Christ, Christos, the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew word Messias, means "anointed." According to the Old Law, priests (Exodus 29:29; Leviticus 4:3), kings (I Kings 10:1; 24:7), and prophets (Isaias 61:1) were supposed to be anointed for their respective offices; now, the Christ, or the Messias, combined this threefold dignity in His Person.

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Jesus Christ the one who was nailed to a cross to save all of mankind. To open the gates of heaven. Jesus is the one who washed away original sin and gave humans a second chance at living in His kingdom.
Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: moses on May 24, 2007, 09:30:57 AM
Greetings!

Bringing dis thread in the front .... Whoa ! Many had come a long way.... Hahahaha ;D ;D ;D

As I man is writting dis; iman is listening to the song Rastaman Live Up ! And I see it is such perfect sychronisity....... Give thanks !

Bedrin Fiyah, raspect, i see where the I is coming from. Blessed Light :)

This is plantinum thread Oh yea !

Ises !!!

Title: Re: Jesus Christ
Post by: michaelvisionish on June 01, 2007, 04:16:28 AM
The renowned Christian writer C. S.  Lewis observes: "I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: 'I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don't accept His claim to be God. ' That is the one thing we must not say.  A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher . . .

"You must make your choice.  Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse.  You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God.  But let us not come with any patronising nonsense about His being a great human teacher.  He has not left that open to us.  He did not intend to" (Mere Christianity, 1996, p.  56).

Blessings upon you, peace.  Just a quick show and tell here.  Lets look at the "revelation".  The word "BABYLON".  It was shown to me that there are times when this word and others have more then just one meaning.  "BABYL ON" is actually two words also.  Which is what the Devil wants us to do.  To keep us babyling on.  AS TO KEEP US CONFUSED.  The Bible is not one to be understood from a "literal meaning". . .  That would be physical.  The Bible is spiritual so it has to be understood from that perspective.  "LIBERALLY" WILL SHOW YOU THE WAY.  You may read upon a verse a million times and literally get the same meaning. . .  NOW, to read it again at a special time GOD will appoint for you to understand, Liberally it would be a whole different meaning.  Upon your walk liberally into the spirituality of yourself within God the "revelations" you will get will be a miracle in themselves.  A "retruth" if you will.  It is a acknowledged accomplishment of taking what you thought you knew and getting a whole new meaning of the truth you had.  Does not make you wrong at the time you had the old truth.  Just means you only knew it to be that way at that time.  SO it is a "Retruth". . .  See what I am saying. ? But all will be revealed within GODS TIME. . .  FOR GODS GLORY. . .  Whatever you want to call HIM by or however you get to be within HIM, then that is how HE wants it to be. . . .  The end is the means of getting there beside HIM is it not? THat is what matters.  The rest is asuredly just life here physically.  One has to think.  "A spirit wants to become flesh, and flesh wants to know the spirit. " Think on this for a minute.  IF you are a spirit, you cannot touch nothing, you cannot smell nothing, you cannot taste nothing.  Nothing phyically exist for you.  So to be called out of that spirit thru love and into the flesh is that not "heaven" for a spirit? "LIBERALLY SPEAKING OF COURSE. . . . . . . . . . . . .   :) :) :)

"Hebrews" is a great read for understanding in the nature of teachings from the elementary level to that of Mature Christ- ians.  The true meanings behind words.  If you break it all down into sentence structure with literalness, such as nouns and verbs, the prefixes and suffixes, prepositions, addjectives, so on and so forth.  I mean look at the word "ians". . . .  There is Christians, Ethiopians, Babylonians, Europians, Russians.  The "words" we all worship and live by.  I mean just look in the BIble.  There is all kinds of "ians" Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Colossians, Thessalonians. . .  etc. . .  etc. . . .  All are just people. . . . .  WE ALL LIVE BY GODS WORD.  SOME JUST HAVENT STEPPED TO THE MAN YET TO KNOW THE TRUTH. . . . . .   PEACE AND BLESSINGS TO YOU ALL. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . !!!