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Title: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: rasrossi on August 27, 2004, 01:05:45 AM
Is it proper to have sex b4 marriage?From my own point of view...Thou shall not commit Furnication commands the Lord
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: graf-rasta on August 27, 2004, 01:15:21 AM
touchy subject, really no solid answer.my girl friend fully respects that i am a rasta and she believes in the methodist religion and they believe that sex b4 marriage is wrong.i believe marriage itself isnt really important, its basically a sheet of paper. the way we see it is when 2 people truely love each other they will know when its time, when BOTH are ready for it.we have sex and nothing is wrong wit that, we both love each other, we both care for each other so we see it as okay, but many will say other wise, its basically and individual oppiniona anymore, depends on faith to, JAH-bless!
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: graf-rasta on August 27, 2004, 01:17:27 AM
when i said"we see it as" i meant as in me and her, not the rasta faith, im not to sure on the rasta stand point on it
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: plant_the_planet on August 27, 2004, 01:20:20 AM
This depends on how you want to define marriage brethren...

Genesis 24
64   And Rebekah lifted up her eyes, and when she saw Isaac, she lighted off the camel.
65   For she had said unto the servant, What man is this that walketh in the field to meet us? And the servant had said, It is my master: therefore she took a vail, and covered herself.
66   And the servant told Isaac all things that he had done.
67   And Isaac brought her into his mother Sarah's tent, and took Rebekah, and she became his wife; and he loved her: and Isaac was comforted after his mother's death.

If two people are truely in love, they dont need a priest or legal documents to consider them "married". They only need the most Holy of Holy Priests, JAH, to be their witness...Seen?...

To have a priest marry two people is not in JAH scripture, but church doctrine, Catholischim for example...

Selassie I
Bless


Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: graf-rasta on August 27, 2004, 01:26:27 AM
thats wat im say'n, the way it is is that in gods eyes we are together and we love each other, we need not a marraige liscenses to tell us that, if we stay together for a long time we will get married but only to please our parents, but we know how it is to us, JAH-bless, if u can hit up my "this will make a few angry thread" im curious as to how some will take it
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: plant_the_planet on August 27, 2004, 01:43:44 AM
but remember...

Continuing to fall in love with other people and using sex or making love as a means to bind the two people together IS NOT according to JAHS will, this is Adultery, hopefully someone understands me...

Selassie I
Bless
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: graf-rasta on August 27, 2004, 01:54:06 AM
i feel yah but c'mon, u make it out like i have sex wit everyne i have a relation ship wit! lol! im outtie, JAH-bless
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: plant_the_planet on August 27, 2004, 02:00:33 AM
No brethren, that post was entirely directed to anyone who should ever happen to read it, Seen?...

Selassie I
Bless
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: plant_the_planet on August 27, 2004, 02:54:22 AM
True enough Knowledge...

but this can get into an entirely different subject, do you believe marriage by a Priest, according to church doctrine? Or MARRIAGE in the eyes of God, According to scripture?...

InI mentioned this in earlier post(s):

"This depends on how you want to define marriage brethren...
 
Genesis 24  
64   And Rebekah lifted up her eyes, and when she saw Isaac, she lighted off the camel.  
65   For she had said unto the servant, What man is this that walketh in the field to meet us? And the servant had said, It is my master: therefore she took a vail, and covered herself.  
66   And the servant told Isaac all things that he had done.  
67   And Isaac brought her into his mother Sarah's tent, and took Rebekah, and she became his wife; and he loved her: and Isaac was comforted after his mother's death.  
 
If two people are truely in love, they dont need a priest or legal documents to consider them "married". They only need the most Holy of Holy Priests, JAH, to be their witness...Seen?...
 
To have a priest marry two people is not in JAH scripture, but church doctrine, Catholischim for example... "


InI also mentioned this as well...

"but remember...
 
Continuing to fall in love with other people and using sex or making love as a means to bind the two people together IS NOT according to JAHS will, this is Adultery, hopefully someone understands me... "


You feel me Knowledge?...

Selassie I
Bless
 
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: lilrasi_I on August 27, 2004, 03:15:04 AM
I think it depends on the society that you grew up in and what its morals are. Depending how you where raised and where decides what your defenition of marriage moraly should be. If in your society, marriage means by priest, than having sex before you do this would be un moral. If your society believes that marriage is a mental concept and the people in question decide when it is time, that is what is moral. Basically this issue, pre-marital sex, has to do with morals and the belief that Jah wants you to act in accordance with them, as long as you are TRUELLY doing that then all is as it should be. We need to acknowlege that different societies have different moral beliefs and that doesn't make them any better or worse when they act in accordance with them, simply moral in a different way, you see?
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: plant_the_planet on August 27, 2004, 05:51:16 AM
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I think it depends on the society that you grew up in and what its morals are. Depending how you where raised and where decides what your defenition of marriage moraly should be. If in your society, marriage means by priest, than having sex before you do this would be un moral. If your society believes that marriage is a mental concept and the people in question decide when it is time, that is what is moral. Basically this issue, pre-marital sex, has to do with morals and the belief that Jah wants you to act in accordance with them, as long as you are TRUELLY doing that then all is as it should be. We need to acknowlege that different societies have different moral beliefs and that doesn't make them any better or worse when they act in accordance with them, simply moral in a different way, you see?


Very good point, if you feel what your doing in your heart is morally wrong, then you are going against JAH...

Selassie I
Bless
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: Rasbonez on August 30, 2004, 05:15:43 AM
i agree with tha thot that if two people are in love, and they consider themselves like husband and wife then its ok. but im not saying that if you have a girlfriend/boyfriend sex is ok. then 9 year old kids would be having sex, and that is not rite. i also beleives that marriage should not be ruled upon by tha government. For example i dont think the government has the rite to say that homosexuals cant marry. u should be able to do wat u want to as long as you are peaceful about it. your thots are appreciated.
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: Rasbonez on August 30, 2004, 07:06:23 PM
I dont want there to be chaos and riots. I am grateful for tha laws that prevent these things. however, i feel that some laws are created with bigotted purposes. is there any real danger in letting gays marry, or legalizing marijuana, or any other dumb laws? Gays could say that rastas smoking herb legally would cause trouble. Gays are children of Jah too. A rasta is rasta because we were created that way, tho some take a while to realize it and some know scince birth. I beleive gays are gay because they were created that way by The Most High, and some realize sooner than others. Why would anybody CHOOSE to be hated on or biggoted against? I can live in peace and harmony with gays as they can live with a rasta.
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: ponder on August 30, 2004, 07:36:27 PM
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Truth is homie, it is wrong to have sex before marriage. I know people try to justify their sins and say things like - "I really Love this person, so its OK." Well, in God's eyes, you're breaking his commandment and comitting adultry. There is no beating around the bush with this one son.

Its sad, much of the world dont keep this Commandment. I know God has a man for everyone woman, and a woman for every man if they allow God to take total control of their lives. Yet, who really believes this? Who ever waits on God? I hear they say he takes too long, what you think?

--Knowledge

Actually to take a woman into your bed is to consumate a bond of marriage with her. In this respect to have sex with a woman is to take her as your wife. Its an honor thing, to honor thy husband or wife. In ancient times there was no legal binding documentation of marriage. You do not need a priest to consumate a marraige, that is a bond between a man and a woman in the sight of God. To bed with more than one partner is a sin. Atleast thats what the Bible I read says but then again maybe Im reading the wrong Bible.  ::) Peace be with you.
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: ponder on August 30, 2004, 08:27:00 PM
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Nah, you're reading the right Bible. However, what you have yet to realize is that, God delt with things differently in certian times and dispensations. In the begining of Humanity, a man and a wife could have sex and it would be considered marrage. Then entered another dispensation were, God would have a priest legelize the Marrige in his eyes. That has never stoped, though pegan cultures still practice the old ways.

Again, you're definitly reading the right Bible. But, read it all the way through and in context. Somethings done in the older times, are abolished or made different in Newer times. Marriages, Slavery, and Sacrifices, are a few.


actually what you just said was exactly what Catholosism in the middle ages tought. They tought that priests had the othority to marry two people in Gods eyes........for a small fee. See my point. The whole idea of a priest being able to marry you in Gods eyes was not Gods will it was the will of corrupt people in power and in high places within the Church to make a little extra cash. Same as selling forgiveness for sins. Back then you could cheat on your spouse and for about 5 silver God would be more than willing to forgive you. LOL Peace be with you.
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: ArkI on August 30, 2004, 08:54:40 PM
Knowledge,  not every custom that man deals with is a requirement of Jah.

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Mark 10

2   And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him.
3   And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you?
4   And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.
5   And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.
6   But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
7   For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
8   And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
9   What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
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Jah allows people to do certain things, because he sees that people refuse to live by his ways. - Divorce did not exist from the beginning, but Moses gave this order to the people because of the hardness of their hearts.  But Christ showed I and I that we are to Live by Jah original ways, not the ways that man have changed.

Jah may have allowed them to make these changes, but Jah prefers that I and I Live by the original way that he has given I and I.


Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: ponder on August 30, 2004, 09:07:12 PM
true words Ark I. Yes knowledge I am formiliar with Jewish traditions. I know how a jewish wedding works and your right about that but just as Rabbi's are said to have the athority to marry, think back to when Israel wanted a king what did God say. "Am I not the King who led you from Egypt?" The king became a figure head but had no true athority, that belongs to God. No man on earth may make decrees in Gods name. Jesus said "look out and behold my fathers temple, no house of stone nor wood may hold his spirit, and I am the only way to the father. Christ Jesus is the only priest unto the lord and when I take my woman into my bed and I make love to her I consumate our bond in the sight of Christ Jesus, and we are indeed husband and wife. Regardless of a piece of legal paper and some priests hallow words. The bond we share is good and pure in Gods eyes because neither one of us have ever been with other partners and we are faithful to each other. I know that in Gods eyes we are married because in our eyes we are married and true to that bond. Peace be with you.
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: ArkI on August 31, 2004, 12:11:21 AM
Knowledge, you said,
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Jesus showed us that none of us can keep the law
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Jesus Christ never said that.  If he did and I missed it, then tell I where the quote is, I would be interested to know.

Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: ponder on August 31, 2004, 12:13:50 AM
I too believe that it is right for us to live our lives in accordance to Gods original laws after all Christ Jesus himself said he did not come to discredit the law but to bring wholeness to the law. He is the rightiousness that has brought me to the point where I am. The law says do not commit adultery. I have taken a woman into my bed and God has seen that. Now I know that God has blessed our union I can feel it, I can see it in her eyes when she looks at me and I know she can too. I feel it when I touch her and it sparks excitement in her and I feel it in her touch. There is something special there and I know it is from God almighty. Now as I said the Bible tells me that it is a sin for me to commit adultery and trust me brothers and sisters I am flesh and blood and I have eyes by which I am tempted DAILY!!! but God has blessed our union and it is so special that as soon as temptation hits me Ive already forgotten what tempted me. ;D ;D ;D My love for my wife is good and pure and protected by God and my love for Christ Jesus is beyond words and he himself protects my heart. Christ Jesus said himself that who so ever places there lives in his hands shall have legions of angels by there sides to protect them from ALL evils. Can any of you begin to imagine......a legion of angels? not to mention Legions!!!!!! I have lost my fear of temptation and in doing so lost my fear of sin. My heart is too full of love for Christ Jesus there is no room for fear and it is because of that love that I know Christ Jesus will not allow any harm to come to me. WOW i guess I went off on a bit of a tangent didnt I. Oh well when you've got the spirit.......LOL. Any ways if you are in a relationship and you truly love each other then God knows that. Your union is holy in his eyes as long as you keep it pure. Atleast thats what I feel in my heart and it is in the heart where God speaks the loudest. Peace be with you.
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: ponder on August 31, 2004, 12:29:53 AM
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Knowledge, you said,
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Jesus showed us that none of us can keep the law
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Jesus Christ never said that.  If he did and I missed it, then tell I where the quote is, I would be interested to know.

Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I

Book of Romans 7-8 is where you can find this info. I believe it goes something like this but Im without my bible so dont quote me "What shall we say then? Is the law sin? I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, thou shalt not covet. But sin taking occation by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died" Now Im sure thats not perfect but neither am I  ;) regardless though the point of the matter is this. Man by nature is a sinner. BUT!!! The book of Romans also says "There is there for now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit. For the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death." Now this tells me that although we are all sinners it is through the rightiousness of Christ Jesus that we may still taiste rightiousness and in turn become rightious through him. Peace be with you.
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: ArkI on August 31, 2004, 03:42:22 AM
Ponder,  Knowledge already corrected himself by saying that Paul said it, not Jesus Christ.  And I take the words of Jesus Christ before Paul.

Paul also clarified himself later on showing us that when I and I live by the grace of God, then I and I are no longer under the Law.  Because there is no law against righteousness.  But as long as we sin, we are under the law and a slave to sin.

Also, James tells I and I that we must Live in righteousness.

Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: ponder on September 01, 2004, 08:09:59 PM
Ark I,
I totally agree with everything you said.......except the part about Paul, I personally feel Pauls words are inspired by the Holy Spirit, but thats just me. ;) Other than that your absolutely right, but it is never YOUR rightiousness that holds you above the law but it is the rightiousness of Christ Jesus within you that does so. By faith in Christ Jesus we are freed from sin and death. Peace be with you.
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: rasrossi on September 02, 2004, 06:00:25 PM
Brodas,i have seen all the replies and one dat kept me on is the one by Knowledge...Knowledge is power they say and i believe.
Sex b4 marriage is in no way justified no matter the place one is born,raised or whatever.whoever believes dat Jesus is the Son of God must know that he left us with one great commandment...LOVE... but he did not mean Lust when he said Love..common Brodas,whether you are crazily in love with ur woman or she is madly in love with you..sex b4 both of u get married is like a lie...u did it,i saw u and i asked u but u lied u never did it.Gat what i mean.Thou shall not lie on the contrary thou shall not commit Fornication.So sex b4 Marriage irrespective of ur color,race etc is sinful.Desist from such but it is natural brodas..hard to desist.Do not talk about been in love,dat doesn't put one in the marriage forum..you need a priest to bless your marriage,been engaged doesn't help either.or you need an accredited Marriage councilor to put you tru in the case of Court Marriage.
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: IJCITI on September 17, 2004, 04:53:32 PM
Personally I believe that sex before marriage is wrong and that it is wrong in the eyes of God. Some of you have asked in past posts whether we are talking about marriage in the eyes of the church or marriage in the eyes of God. Isn't it all the same thing? God has commanded us that we are not to have sex before marriage and marriage by a priest, pastor, minister, whoever is qualified.  It is in God's word that we are to be married and we can't say that we are truly married to someone unless it is preformed by someone who is able to join two people together in that Holy Union.
I am not sure what the rasta believe on this issue of sex before marriage, but we Christians do believe that God intended sex for marriage and marriage only. And not just sex either, but any unnessecary physical contact or emotion with the opposite sex. Kissing, getting too touchy feely with the opposite sex is also intended just for marriage, for your future mate. Even if the person you are with will be that future mate for you, you have to be married to perform anything sexual with them, otherwise you are committing a sin(adultery). It's a hard thing to do, but it can be done. Myself and my best friend decided not to have sex before marriage and not to have a boyfriend all through high school so we could devote all of our time and energy on getting closer to God and it worked. At a young age especially one should not be worrying about a relationship with the opposite sex because if you truly believe in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ then He will bring them to you. I am still waiting but I am going to be patient like I have been for the last 18 years. And I will be able to tell my husband that I went through a lot of physical and emotional temptations, but I saved my whole self, my mind, and my body just for him. And that the first boy I will ever kiss will be my husband, on our wedding day.  ::)
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: rasrossi on September 18, 2004, 02:09:13 PM
Rasta's Belief about sex...i have never come across such thing b4 but i know dat we all are Christians even if Muslims or any other Religion...we all accept one great Jah,call him God,Allah,Chukwu (in ma own Lingua) and he has commanded..Thou shall not commit Fornication so we cannot justify sex b4 marriage for any reason.
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: Speed on September 20, 2004, 12:24:36 PM
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If two people are truely in love, they dont need a priest or legal documents to consider them "married". They only need the most Holy of Holy Priests, JAH, to be their witness


I liked this one..

You say it is God's words that you must be married by a priest (or anyother religious figure) and then you say 'and by anyone who is qualified'. What about liscensing offices which have no religious ties. Does this mean you are even married? Legally this does, but who says it is legal? the government? man, thats who. Why should any man hold the power to grant you 'true love' purely based on being 'qualified'.

On the religious side of things, man choses who can become a priest. These people are suppose to be closer to god.. why? because they were chosen? because they followed stricter rules? Look at the Catholic church, men who molest and rape little children can grant you 'true love' purely because they have been 'chosen'.  Why should I have to bow down to another man just so I can be granted true love and the right to embrace in sexual acts. I'm sorry but I believe with the original quote

Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: bob1marley1988 on September 21, 2004, 01:00:21 AM
sex should wait till yall consider yuhselves married... InI know that loved people "marriage" isn't justified through a sheet of paper but between the loved ones... if the consider theyselves "married" in Jah Rastafari's eyes then let them be... be mature about the subject & have sex cuz yuh really love each other in Jah's eyes, not becuz of the moment or anythin
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: rasrossi on September 21, 2004, 01:32:51 PM
I and I all know dat sex b4 is totally wrong.It is left for us tyo choose if to keep or break the law of Jah...Commit no Fornication ma Children says Jah in the commandments he left 4 I and I....
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: NegusNegustiality on May 16, 2005, 03:28:20 PM
Ises,
when ones deal wid deh I-ble, ones mus tek into account deh theology and views dat ones used tuh shape deh words.  saul/paul was into other things besides deh Messianic movement before his "journey tuh damascus" and Ini don't just mean persecution of "Christians" but his dabbling with deh theology of mythras(sp).  hence deh world receives dis "blood doctrine" of salvation.  now according tuh deh theory, Emmanuel deh Christ was deh final blood sacrifice, so Israel could do away widem animal sacrifices.

according tuh deh old testament, blood is refered tuh deh life therein and it is an abomination tuh spillit, seen.  deh only other acceptable time since Emmanuel trod was during marriage, in theory.  it does not call for a pastor, a priest, a minister, an elder, even doe dey may all be part of trodition.  marriage is concecrated in theory by two virgins whom during dem first time having relations, blood is spilled from deh woman's hymen, symbolizing and sealing a dual covenant wid JAH by dis couple.  from Iration, deeds outsound speech.  dis is why so many ancient cultures had ones marry at, what sems tuh Ini deh young age of 13 or 14 as women but it was functional tuh marry off yuh dawtah as soon as she reached deh age of menstration.

Ini nuh waan delve too far inna dat but jes wanted tuh seh dat "virginal sex is deh
I-riginal consecrating factor in marriage.

Haile Selassie I
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: EmpressCarla on May 16, 2005, 04:09:19 PM
Very well said, Negus.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: african_herbsman on September 24, 2005, 12:38:03 PM
ini tink you should be able to have sex before marriage
just my oppinion
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: jahs_pikny on December 07, 2005, 09:51:32 AM
2000 years ago ppl didn't had any sheet of paper to compromit them...they only had their luv;the luv for the one next them,and that was all that mattered!like rastafarian beliefs...you can have dreadlocks and wear red-yellow-green colours all the time,it doesn't necesarilly makr you one...IT'S ALL IN YA SOUL,there's the place everythin' starts...so if ya wav him/her,a sheet of paper won't make ya be closer...it would be just another war won by babylon.....
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: ganja chick on October 21, 2008, 02:48:28 PM
Quote from: graf-rasta link=topic=1564. msg9210#msg9210 date=1093569321
touchy subject, really no solid answer. my girl friend fully respects that i am a rasta and she believes in the methodist religion and they believe that sex b4 marriage is wrong. i believe marriage itself isnt really important, its basically a sheet of paper.  the way we see it is when 2 people truely love each other they will know when its time, when BOTH are ready for it. we have sex and nothing is wrong wit that, we both love each other, we both care for each other so we see it as okay, but many will say other wise, its basically and individual oppiniona anymore, depends on faith to, JAH-bless!


I agree 100% with you.  I also believe that marriage is just a sheet of paper.  I don't think any soul mates need a piece of paper to let one another know they are committed to one another. 

As a woman who has taken the time to know herself, I already know what a Kingman expects from me. 

"When a virtuous woman engages in physical activity with a man, there is more happening than what the eye can see taking place.   Your souls begin to intertwine and you become one, and the more you intertwine, the closer you get.   When you lay together in union,  you absorb his essence and you take on many of his characteristics.   This is not by mistake, it is by design. " 

Jah live.  One love.
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: Nepsis on October 21, 2008, 10:51:01 PM
In my experience, sex and marriage are identical.  The separation between the two is a temporary grace to allow ones to recognize the reality of this truth.  Marriage/sex/soul generation is the first triune covenant established at creation to guide unto Identity establishment.  The unfortunate prevalence of multiple marriages is an example of false reality and the 'paper' tries to document this to protect those victimized by it.
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: Soldier of Jah on October 23, 2008, 08:33:50 PM
In the Biblical days, I believe people did not get married as we do today. They shared their love with eachother, and that is what Jah mean with "no sex before marriage". No sex before love. Though this does not mean you can run around having sex with anyone, by believing you love him / her.
Remember sex is a way of showing love, but it is not fully love. Love is deeper than having physical attraction to eachother. Love is not physical.

Guidance and love
Selassie I
Title: Re: Sex b4 Marriage
Post by: Julian on November 15, 2008, 07:13:07 PM
It isn't a question of Sex before marriage but contraception. Yah never condemns anyone for sleeping with someone other than there wife but Yah does condemn contraception, that is the issue, i forgot but i think it was Issac who let his seed fall on the ground instead of in the woman and this made Yah very angry however he did not condemn him for sleeping with someone other than his wife.