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Title: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: FiyahBun on June 12, 2005, 04:48:57 PM
Blessed Love

I and I would like comments on what role should non direct descendants of Africans be in the Rastafari Movement. Is it for ones to repatriate to Zion/Africa/Ethiopia?
Is it to seek reparations? What are no African views on reparation and repatriation?
Any insightful comments welcome, seen



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Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Mov...
Post by: DEVIN on June 12, 2005, 05:17:59 PM
all people came from africa, and whos to tell some 1 thats dont got black skin that they cant go 2 the holy land? to me thats not what rastas about

1 people.

bless
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Mov...
Post by: Positive_Vibration on June 12, 2005, 05:22:10 PM
Yeah, just because my family (which I cannot control the past or present of) was born and raised in other nations, I don't feel changes a thing.

As I'm sure you know, theres proof that we were all descended from Africa and so I go more then this then by where the womb was when my extended family came out.

I certainly plan on returning to Africa and specifically Ethiopia within my physical on-Earth lifetime.

One love
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Mov...
Post by: DEVIN on June 12, 2005, 06:32:29 PM
im saying 1 people, you say "any group of people" the is only one people, but i know what u saying, and i cant really anser your question because my reason 4 learning rasta is not repatriation but to become closer to the most high. i dont think it is nesary 2 go to africa 4 me cuz jah is im me, in every1, africa Is the holy land the zion is there but dont mean i need 2 go back there if i wanna be close to jah, i want 2 stay here and teach people so they can learn 2 love jah like i do, i mean yea im gunna go some day but i will come back cuz the people need some1 to teach and im willing, i feel thats my calling [smiley=smiley.gif]
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Mov...
Post by: Positive_Vibration on June 12, 2005, 06:45:40 PM
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Blessed Love

Devin & Positive V
If it is both of your contention that all are African. Do you think that it is practical and logical for any group of people to claim that they are African and seek repatriation? For this is not the intention of the Rastafari Movement.



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Is it practical and logical? Yes, I'd say so.

Regardless of its constant struggles, many regard Africa as the returning place where Babylon is of no object. As a heaven on Earth, which Ethiopia is still regarded as. This ideology, as I'm sure you know, dates back to the slavery days in the early 20th century.

And yes, all are African by roots. If a group of people that were in Africa and were relocated to ___ and made those claims then I think the term 'African' is more literal, as, in the most literal sense, I'm an 'American.'

"Don't care where you come from, as long as you're an African. No mind your nationality. You've got the identity."

One love
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Mov...
Post by: Positive_Vibration on June 12, 2005, 07:54:11 PM
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Blessed Love

Positive Vibration
Africa today is controlled by the same Babylon that ones are running away from. How is it practical for mass Europeans, Chinese, Indians to return to Africa?
Reparation and repatriation are for the children of those that were in bondage over the past centuries. Or do you think it is also for the children of the slave masters too?

One important part of that Peter Tosh lyric that you left out is as long as you are a Black Man you are an African. Did you leave that out for purpose?
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No, I was just quoting a certain part of the song. Indeed "as long as you are a black man, you're an African" but also...

"No mind your complexion
There is no rejection
You're an African

'Cause if your plexion
High, high, high
If your complexion low, low, low
And if your plexion in between
You're an African"


And I fully understand your perception on that. Why should the sons of slave drivers return to the land their ancestors tried their dear best at ruining?!

Seen. But why should InI be held back because the womb my mothers ancestors came out of was in Spain and the womb my fathers ancestors came out of was European (English, Scottish)? In the history I read I am just as disgusted by the English as I am by the very own country I now live in!

I wasn't born with that kind of choice. But nonetheless, our ultimate roots are in Africa, and if righteous dreads from Asia, Europe, and North America want to retreat to Africa, then absolutely nothing is wrong with this.

The lead guitarist of the Wailers (and the guy that plays on 'African') is none other then Al Anderson whom was born in New Jersey - suburbs which are only a few hours away from I. Do you think he chose that?

In the end, all righteous will retreat to Holy Mt. Zion

And I understand that today much of Africa is driven by the Babylon-drivers that ran away from to begin with. Thats why I said it was largely *regarded* as such a place.

And it is certainly my intent in my physicial time to settle on either the island or Africa to get closer to my ultimate roots geographically (despite the aforementioned points)

Much love, raspect, and thanks for your wisom

One love
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Mov...
Post by: paco on June 12, 2005, 09:02:26 PM
greetings, imo when i hear african that means blackman to me. here intha states alittle while back non-indians made an attempt at co-opting and therefore(imo) prostituting indian spirituality until some of the elders put a stop to it. there is still some of that "white wolf" new age mentality floating around but nothing like before. i like what Fiyah said one time-- ' Rasta is blackmans liberation' so true, in my estimation. please don't claim africa if you not indigenous african. i support repatriation for the black people of africa in the diaspora and that includes money owed for the all the money made off they backs of blood and sweat. to me if the blackman/woman allows non-black africans to be a part of rasta then so be it and out of love i for the most part see that happening. this is juss how tha i see's it


                                  respect, paco
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Mov...
Post by: Speed on June 12, 2005, 11:20:13 PM
I don't think repriatrition is at the top of the 'list of things to do' for non direct african descendants.  I don't see no problem with it though. Pilgrimage?

For me, due to the lack of african cultural heritage for non africans in the rasta movement the culture side of things isn't as important.  This leaves a bigger stress the 'Unity' side of things making non african Rastas less militant maybe.  I think Ital and livity is essential as well...

I think the job of non african Rastas is to promote the message, find Jah and live righteously
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Mov...
Post by: TREE-NATTY on June 13, 2005, 01:07:58 PM
E.M.HTP!!!!

Vibe

Why should Africa be your home because of your ancestosr follies? But the some damaging thing you implied was that your ancestors messed up your identity of your nationality. But YOU not doing nothing about it! Now you expect Africans to accept you and you did nothing about your sitution! Why would Africans want you in africa? What do you have to offer? Because anything you do haven't even been seen by your own? This is some wolf in sheep clothing ish! We africans can't feel dat! And I don't think you really do!

Paco

True dat!

Speed
What you said I have to say your a crazy idiot!
Because what you said rings true and great!! Fo real fo real! If every european thought like you bretheen as far as your overstanding of this sitution. It would be a wonderful world! You got sh!t straight as far as a goal and what's not a goal of non africans! Damn Son! That was Fire!


HRU
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: ArkI on June 13, 2005, 01:58:57 PM
Here is a reasoning I reasoned about this topic before:

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Africans were stolen from their land and their land was robbed and raped to a point where things are very hard now in Africa. Africans have been spread abroad and oppressed throughout the world. Africans have a right to their own nation and Babylon must stop abusing their nation and people.

I don't believe that any white man belongs in Africa, unless Africans as a whole invites that white man to join them. I am white, so I don't have the intention to go to live in Africa because it is not my continent, it belongs to the Africans.

Yes, it is true that everyone lived in Africa at some point. But the white man chose to leave Africa and populate other parts of the world a very long time ago.

I know some white people that feel repatriation belongs to them as well. But to I, this attitude looks too similar to something I have seen before. White people felt that they "discovered" the Americas, even though the First Nations people already lived there, and were farming the land for food. But these whites felt that it belonged to them and they had a right to be there, even more of a right then the First Nations.

So they killed the First Nations people, robbed and raped their land and then brought Africans over to build up another man's land for themselves.

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So as Marcus Garvey say,
13 We believe in the freedom of Africa for the Negro people of the world, and by the principle of Europe for the Europeans and Asia for the Asiatics; we also demand Africa for the Africans at home and abroad.

14. We believe in the inherent right of the Negro to possess himself of Africa, and that his possession of same shall not be regarded as an infringement on any claim or purchase made by any race or nation.

15. We strongly condemn the cupidity of those nations of the world who, by open aggression or secret schemes, have seized the territories and inexhaustible natural wealth of Africa, and we place on record our most solemn determination to reclaim the treasures and possession of the vast continent of our forefathers.

16. We believe all men should live in peace one with the other, but when races and nations provoke the ire of other races and nations by attempting to infringe upon their rights, war becomes inevitable, and the attempt in any way to free one's self or protect one's rights or heritage becomes justifiable.

Full speech,
http://www.jah-rastafari.com/marcus-words/show-garvey-word.asp?word_title=Declaration+of+Rights+of+the+Negro+Peoples
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I know that times have changed and the dynamics of the world are different then they were 2000 years ago. I and I as a world people should learn to live in peace with eachother and be able to live in the same village with all different races, with equality. But it is not a right of the white man to live in Africa, it is a privilege that can only be granted by Africans.
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Ark I
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Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Ash-Tree on June 13, 2005, 03:45:33 PM
i want to move to ethiopia because i would rather live a life with no complications no electricity and no concrete jungle.to me money isnt shite,its just paper if the shops were to shut, paper couldnt support your family so i feel we all need to live off the land.if i move to ethiopia as i was planning to in 2 years and i am rejected by fellow rastas then i see no point in living.does anyone here have anything against me moving?
peace jah love
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Mov...
Post by: Positive_Vibration on June 13, 2005, 07:33:46 PM
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Blessed Love


Good words paco. I and I struggle is with all righteous people that oppose babylon/white supremacy. Many people say HIM Haile Selassie I only manifested for the African. I've seen some say this on this forum in the past. Yet I know that HIM came in this time to establish a global iniversal order of Justice.This is the definition of justice that I gave on another thread. The definition of Justice is simple. It is to guarantee that no person is mistreated in any circumstance. Also those that need help the most must get the most help first. When the African who are the ones who need the most justice get their justice ALL will be free. There is an order and logic to things.

I feel that the non direct descendants of Africans that are Rasta must find their role within this context. So the issue of fighting for Reparations and Repatriation is just as important to them as it is for the Africans in the diaspora. For it is one fight for justice! The role of non African Rastas must not just be to reject Babylon within themselves alone but to also participate in the global Rastafari Movement/Government. Their role is not to redefine Rastafari as I see so many try to do. HIM Haile Selassie I is central to Rastafari Consciousness.  HIM Selassie I is the head of the Rastafari Movement. No Rastas should even be debating this point. No Rastas should be debating on doctrine and dogma either.








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Seen and agreed, bredren!

One love
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Positive_Vibration on June 13, 2005, 07:38:14 PM
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I know some white people that feel repatriation belongs to them as well. But to I, this attitude looks too similar to something I have seen before. White people felt that they "discovered" the Americas, even though the First Nations people already lived there, and were farming the land for food. But these whites felt that it belonged to them and they had a right to be there, even more of a right then the First Nations.


I see the question, however, for me at least - its not true.

As I've said, InI am DISGUSTED by white history.

Yes, they left the land, yes, they raped the people, yes, they tried to destroy and opress culture. But I don't feel that just because they left Africa to live in Europe and the Americas that this is where I am chained to and must live.

If I could back to those times with I mind, I'd be willing, in one second, to sacrifice my life for any African slave with one blow.

One love
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Positive_Vibration on June 13, 2005, 07:40:48 PM
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For if some are so quick to point out that All are Africans why is it so difficult for ones to Hail the King of Kings? The very concept of Christ is African! Ethiopia is the cradle of mandkind. So it is only right that it is from there the King should arise. For those that cannot see divinity in the king it is because thay cannot see the divinity within themselves


Seen. This is why I looked to guidance on you in those times of doubt in my mind.

I KNEW Selassie was the king of king and lord of lords...InI just needed the direction to FEEL it. You gave me this.

Much thanks.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Positive_Vibration on June 13, 2005, 07:43:05 PM
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Blessed Love

I would just like to post the lyrics to War for ones to medi on!
When one reads these word of HIM put to song by Bob one see where ones must focus. The color of a mans skin will be of no significance to the color of his eye when the global white supremacy system is made null and replaced by a system of Justice. So all righteous peoples fight is for Justice. Again those that need the most help should get the most help first. It is ONE Struggle.


Seen and agreed there also.

Yes, InI want to go to Africa but I don't plan on going there to put my feet up on their couches and relax like its home to me. Theres work to be done! As you said, all righteous people are one with the struggle in these times and InI certainly want to do all that I can to help.

One love
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Positive_Vibration on June 13, 2005, 07:54:20 PM
I agree also, that mass-migration to Africa would do absolutely nothing to further anything within these times.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: joeyb on June 13, 2005, 10:33:04 PM
much wisdom seen.

at first I was uneasy about the whole issue - but you I-dren have settled my mind. I believe that my role in the Universe, as a whiteman, lies not in moving to Africa. I recognise that I-man roots in Africa, but I live in Britain, where Babylon is rife. If I to fight this oppression, I must do it here. I consider myself a part of the international Rasta commUnity, but my role is to pioneer Jah-love - not to pretend I African. Thanks to all those who recognise unity AND diversity: yet Jah smile on everyOne who strives for equality.
OneLove
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: M-Dub on June 13, 2005, 11:00:32 PM
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at first I was uneasy about the whole issue - but you I-dren have settled my mind. I believe that my role in the Universe, as a whiteman, lies not in moving to Africa. I recognise that I-man roots in Africa, but I live in Britain, where Babylon is rife. If I to fight this oppression, I must do it here.


Irie bredren! I think this is a great attitude.

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I consider myself a part of the international Rasta commUnity, but my role is to pioneer Jah-love - not to pretend I African.


One cannot pretend they are African. You can pretend you're not African.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: msgal on June 14, 2005, 12:11:05 AM
Some real wisdom being put forth here.
It humbles me. bless
Now my opinion on this subject.
Concerning reparation I doubt the babalonian powers would ever let it happen and if it did they would make a mess of it like they do with every other program they intstitute. Morally it needs to happen.
Concerning repatriation just because all life originated in Africa does not make us all African.
I see my role in rasta as two fold. My own personal growth and enlightenment.
This growth must precipitate my efforts to help others understand the realities of babylon, oppression in all it's forms and that changes must be made to end these attrocities
This role is one that I must fullfill here not in Africa.
There's only one thing I haven't figured out yet. Where do I belong. Repatriation really isn't ment for non-Africans, but I have to tell you straight out I don't belong here either. Even before I knew about rasta, I existed here but I saw nothing as they do. I've always been outspoken about issues of race and opression. Even as a child. Queen Jerusalem said she was called by Selassie I and it seems I was called even as a child. He's always been in my heart. This has made me an outcast in what some would call "my culture". I don't
Everyone that cares about me is from Jamaica or Africa. I would certainly hope that if repatriation ever becomes a reality I don't have to be separated from the people who matter to me most.
So my head understands what you say about repatriation, but my heart doesn't like it.
For me this is the battle field, not home.

Jah bless

One love
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: thelastwinnum on June 14, 2005, 01:33:37 AM
I an I think it is the duty of the tan man to spread the word of Jah and make Babylon a more peacable place if thats possible. White rastas have a moral obligation to H.I.M to pay respect to de black bredren who have struggled for generations for rights that we were born with. I an I cyan say what its likee for de black bredren, but for I it's learning someting none of mi ancestors knew: how to be humble.  jah bless
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Positive_Vibration on June 14, 2005, 02:56:25 AM
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Blessed Love


Great words msgal. I would say that you are correct concerning the issue of reparations.  It is not the intention of those who seek it to see it fully actualized in all aspects. Yet as you said it is something that has to be on the table if even primarily as a moral issue. All victims of a wrong must first be able to admit that they were victimized and they must also hold the ones/ Babylon accountable for the wrong committed against them.  This has to be the first step of admittance. The next step is repatriation. It is not logical for all African in the diaspora to return to Africa either. Repatriation must be first for Africans to return to themselves. Get back their true identity and dignity. The next step is for Africans to control their own destiny. So it is imperative for Africans to return Africa to the one great place it was. This is not an easy task. Yet as I have said over and over if ones sacrifice babylon within themselves firstly the battle is half won.




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Seen.

This is a good thread, bredren

One love
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: msgal on June 15, 2005, 01:46:56 AM
Ok FiyahBun, I don't remember how you put it exactly, but ther was a post where you talked about non-Africans learn about rasta within an African cultural perspective.
(I hope I haven't mangled this to badly)
I agree with this. That's part of why I start looking for books and asked some of the questions I did. Coming from an Anglo background I have a lot to learn.
We have some educated folks here who have been a big help.
I guess a trip to Africa for me would be more educational than anything else.
To really see where all these things I've learned come from.

Reparations made more sense in your words than in mine thank you for the help

Jah bless

One love
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: newrasta on June 15, 2005, 02:10:03 AM
Greetings!

The priority of all RasTafarI is to spread Jah message. The role of non-Africans is the same as Africans, to spread Jah message, help the environment, love all. But then comes repartiation, Caucasions aren't as closely linked to Africa as the Blacks, so therefore isn't a big part of their journey. Although I feel all RasTafarI should repartiate and help Africa in whatever way they can, but before that happens ALL RasTafarI should help where they are currently. Help where you live then help where you came from, because where EVERYONE came from is held down the most by babylon and must be liberated and united!

One

Ras Evan
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Speed on June 16, 2005, 03:10:11 PM
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I an I think it is the duty of the tan man to spread the word of Jah and make Babylon a more peacable place if thats possible. White rastas have a moral obligation to H.I.M to pay respect to de black bredren who have struggled for generations for rights that we were born with. I an I cyan say what its likee for de black bredren, but for I it's learning someting none of mi ancestors knew: how to be humble.  jah bless


What do you mean by the 'tanned' man? Hispanic, Asian, Mediterannean, Bi racial?

Lets not forget who first took over most of the carribean, raped and pillaged the Arawaks and slaughtered the South Americans and played a nice little part in slavery... The spanish.  It wasn't just the 'white' man but the 'Western Europeans', scary huh?  You look at the majority of the world that has been 'westernised', the majority have probably been invaded by the Western Europeans at some point and this is how 'westernisation' came about.  To me 'westernisation' is a friendly word for 'coloniaism'...
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: thelastwinnum on June 17, 2005, 02:23:06 AM
InI call non European whites de tan mans. Its good to know dat your accendants weren't slave owners. [smiley=undecided.gif]
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: alex on June 17, 2005, 07:01:53 AM
hey i'm white and I know as a fact that my ancestors were urkrainian peasents, not slave drivers
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Wahine on June 17, 2005, 08:38:34 AM
Firstly many thanks to FiyahBun. I think in some ways you answer a lot of the questions that i have regarding "non Africans". I am mainly of Greek descent but know little of my own history.
Although here in my country we are a fairly "new" country in the greater scheme of things, this land was also colonised by the "white man". I don't know everything there is to know bout NZ but i do no that the Maori people were traded guns (muscats) and blankets in exchange for their land.
In recent times there has been a push from the people for return of this land. A treaty was signed at the time namely the Treaty of Waitangi in which the Maori people who had little to no understanding of the white mans language or ways agreed to the trade. There are many "white" people here who support the return of the land but there are probably more who think it's wrong and don't give a s**t if the "black" man wasn't able to understand.
So in this respect (and i may be wrong as to the struggle) it is my belief that the role of the "white" person is to educate and show people (who don't seem to care or have any understanding) the wrongs that have been done and how they can help to correct these wrongs.
But then maybe my reasoning is not correct on this???  [smiley=huh.gif]
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Speed on June 17, 2005, 09:30:00 AM
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InI call non European whites de tan mans.[smiley=undecided.gif]


Seen

New Zeland got don't by the Brits too  [smiley=undecided.gif]

Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Wahine on June 17, 2005, 09:45:29 AM
Yeh. Captain James Cook (i think).
Something i do recall was that the missionaries came here to teach and the children were forbiddin to speak their own language, they were beaten for doing that and so the language was almost lost. They could only speak their language in the safety of their homes. It is making a big come back now. It is taught in all pre schools (public) and schools (public).

Kia Kaha
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Ras Saadon on June 17, 2005, 06:25:07 PM
anyone can live in africa if he wants, africans nah own africa they have no right to tell white people nah to go there.. but InI believe that people should be where they belong cuz although whites can live in africa if they want they are nah build for it.. they are nah protected from the sun, nah build for the heat, entire climate and it can be dangerous for them, so InI believe that they have the right to be there, but in InI also believe that each should be where he is build to be..
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: RasViKing on June 17, 2005, 10:41:05 PM
Blessings and Love
to all the children of JAH Ras Tafari
And the Itinual LIGHT of H.I.M. Hallie Sellassie I
shine into the darkness that it be no more.

Having red tha words of this fresh topic I mus comment, but i no mean harm or disrespect to none.

FiyahBun spoke : I and I would like comments on what role should non direct descendants of Africans be in the Rastafari Movement. Is it for ones to repatriate to Zion/Africa/Ethiopia?
Is it to seek reparations? What are no African views on reparation and repatriation?
Any insightful comments welcome, seen


Unless you mama and papa come to JAH-mek-YA from Africa to birth you ya na DIRECT DECENDANT of Africa. No disrespect, brudda InI agree with most of what ya post most of da tyme.

FiyahBun spoke : If it is both of your contention that all are African. Do you think that it is practical and logical for any group of people to claim that they are African and seek repatriation? For this is not the intention of the Rastafari Movement.

me I no know what ya say is the 'in-tention' of the Rastafarian Movement, but THE movement of all InI breddren to Love JAH, live H.I.M. WORD and downstroy the wickedness of Babylon de only ting I know any Rasta fe wont do. InI LOVE an Respect ya breddren FiyahBun

FiyahBun spoke :Africa today is controlled by the same Babylon that ones are running away from. How is it practical for mass Europeans, Chinese, Indians to return to Africa?
Reparation and repatriation are for the children of those that were in bondage over the past centuries. Or do you think it is also for the children of the slave masters too?


Fiyah, no let youself a tricked in de way. Not ALL 'white' peoples a slave owners/traders/crackers! seen? Mos o de pale brudders jus a try a live like de dark brudders. It's only de 1's wid de $$$$ dat would/could/did steef de African from him homeland. Mos o dem 'whites' jus a try to mek sum plant a grow and fin de water to drink, maybe raise up some animals and children.

Paco spoke :i like what Fiyah said one time-- ' Rasta is blackmans liberation' so true, in my estimation. please don't claim africa if you not indigenous african. i support repatriation for the black people of africa in the diaspora and that includes money owed for the all the money made off they backs of blood and sweat. to me if the blackman/woman allows non-black africans to be a part of rasta then so be it and out of love i for the most part see that happening. this is juss how tha i see's it

Ras Tafari is de liberation of MAN! Male or female. Light skinned, dark skinned or shades in between. If ya count out dem a not indigenous african den ya already count out de diaspora ya speak of. No man can pay $$ owed to dem a gone. Caynt pay dem decendats either. Each mus work for him JAH and earn his own reward. Many a good man work hard all him life, but have children a gone bad. So how you gonna give what de good man earned to de bad man? seen. I'm not saying dat present 'blacks' are bad and de slaves de good, it's jus a comparrison, no matter de shade of skin. De blackman/woman have no right nor ability to allow nor disallow anyone - white, black, brown, yellow, red. Is only JAH can say a true. Bless up Paco, mi love de breddren

Speed spoke:I think the job of non african Rastas is to promote the message, find Jah and live righteously

InI no know no 'non african Rastas.' If ya have de overstanding of Rasta, den ya kno dat we are all African. Some o we also german, irish,spanish, cuban, pueblo, and many more. Africa is de foundation of all things. Everything else come from Gondawanaland.

FiyahBun sopke :I feel that the non direct descendants of Africans that are Rasta must find their role within this context. So the issue of fighting for Reparations and Repatriation is just as important to them as it is for the Africans in the diaspora. For it is one fight for justice! The role of non African Rastas must not just be to reject Babylon within themselves alone but to also participate in the global Rastafari Movement/Government. Their role is not to redefine Rastafari as I see so many try to do. HIM Haile Selassie I is central to Rastafari Consciousness.  HIM Selassie I is the head of the Rastafari Movement. No Rastas should even be debating this point. No Rastas should be debating on doctrine and dogma either.

A tru tru, Fiyah. Is not only the 'black' man who has been slave. So long as one 'man' see himself as more powerful den da nex an work to have power over him one is a salve an de other a master. If ya seek power insted of Love or Justice ya caynt have any of it. Black man have suffered more den mos. Not all men suffered as much as da next, but all a sufferers in dis life.

Ark I spoke :I don't believe that any white man belongs in Africa, unless Africans as a whole invites that white man to join them. I am white, so I don't have the intention to go to live in Africa because it is not my continent, it belongs to the Africans.

Are you saying dat a whole country/continent mus allow a person to come in? Many Africans no want American blacks to come to Africa as they see them as lazy, or stupid or theives or worse. InI know it's not true, but the way the media portrays them. The continent doesn't belong to ANY man, but only to JAH Ras Tafari
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: RasViKing on June 17, 2005, 10:53:45 PM
Praise JAH
LOVE and LIFE always

to continue...

FiyahBun spoke :The very concept of Christ is African!

Actually de con-cept of Christ is greek. Messiah is African. Don't let the poor translation and lacksidaisical definition of words trip Iman down.

FiyahBun continued :when the global white supremacy system is made null and replaced by a system of Justice.

It's not jus de 'white' supremacy. ONLY JAH is SUPREME! Any system made of man is certain to fail and fall. Justice can only come from JAH, as man is biased and unable to be fair or true. Judge not lest ye be judged. seen?

M-Dub spoke :One cannot pretend they are African. You can pretend you're not African.

True a True. Butt y wood u want 2???

I have no disrespect for mi bruddahs and sistahs. Just tryin' to help feelings and words match. If IJAHman and IJAHwoman caynt love and respect each one for our differances, which JAH give to we, then Babylon de Bandit has already won. An ' InI know dat caynt happen.
Bless up all
Buiild on firm foundations
Forward always
Backwards nevah
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Ras Saadon on June 18, 2005, 12:07:18 AM
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Saadon idren don't you know that every country has a limit of how many people they allow to immigrate per year and also who they let in. So how is it that you think this does not apply to African countries?

InI nah agree with that either.. people take ownership in things that are not thier, no man got a right to tell InI that InI cant live in a certain country just cuz InI nah got citizenship, or tell InI that to many has already went there.. people nah own the land, they are only its guests, InI can live wherever InI want, cuz I right is I right and it is I right to trod in Jah's Iration, everywhere in the Iration..

InI do agree that it is not practical that all the people will come to Africa, and nah think that it should be done either, cuz Africa isnt the only part of the Iration, it is where all started but it nah mean that we should all go back, we should live the Iration to its fullest and there are many other good places beside Africa, but if a person wanna go live in Africa InI believe that he has every right to do so.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: lenroy on June 18, 2005, 01:40:30 AM
I myself am not African.  Most of my friends are Roman Cathloic.  I am very vaguely known about the Rastafarian religon.  I have had an intrest in it.  I really need to learn more about this way of life/faith.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: thelastwinnum on June 18, 2005, 04:01:09 AM
Bless
if black rastas were meant to bring justice to their homeland ( Africa) and to spread the Love of Jah among all peoples of this Earth, then non-Africans have the same role: make life better for others in whatever nation they live in and to spread love to all the bredren of dis Earth!
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: paco on June 18, 2005, 10:34:22 PM
    i been wanting to share this story told by leslie marmon silko







[Long time ago]
by Leslie Marmon Silko

Long time ago
in the beginning
there were no white people in this world
there was nothing European.
And this world might have gone on like that
except for one thing:
witchery.
This world was already complete
even without white people.
There was everything
including witchery.

Then it happened.
These witch people got together.
Some came from far far away
across oceans
across mountains.
Some had slanty eyes
others had black skin.
They all got together for a contest
the way people have baseball tournaments nowadays
except this was a contest
in dark things.

So anyway
they all go together
witch people from all directions
witches from all the Pueblos
and all the tribes.
They had Navajo witches there,
some from Hopi, and a few from Zuni.
They were having a witches' conference,
that's what it was
Way up in the lava rock hills
north of Canoncito
they got together
to fool around in caves
with their animal skins.
Fox, badger, bobcat, and wolf
they circled the fire
and on the fourth time
they jumped into that animal's skin.

But this time it wasn't enough
and one of them
maybe Sioux or some Eskimos
started showing off.
"That wasn't anything,
watch this."

The contest started like that.
Then some of them lifted the lids
on their big cooking pots,
calling the rest of them over
to take a look:
dead babies simmering in blood
circles of skull cut away
all the brains sucked out.
Witch medicine
to dry and grind into powder
for new victims.
Others untied skin bundles of disgusting objects:
dark flints, cinders from burning hogans where the
dead lay
Whorls of skin
cut from finger tips
sliced from the penis end and clitoris tip.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: paco on June 18, 2005, 10:37:03 PM
Finally there was only one
who hadn't shown off charms or powers.
The witch stood in the shadows beyond the fire
and no one ever knew where this witch came from
which tribe
or if it was a woman or a man.
But the important thing was
this witch didn't show off any dark thunder charcoals
or red ant-hill beads.
This one just told them to listen:
"What I have is a story."

At first they all laughed
but this witch said
Okay
go ahead
laugh if you want to
but as I tell the story
it will begin to happen.

Set in motion now
set in motion by our witchery
to work for us.

Caves across the ocean
in caves of dark hills
white skin people
like the belly of a fish
covered with hair.

Then they grow away from the earth
then they grow away from the sun
then they grow away from the plants and animals.
They see no life
When they look
they see only objects.
The world is a dead thing for them
the trees and rivers are not alive
the mountains and stones are not alive.
The deer and the bear are objects
They see no life.
They fear
They fear the world.
They distroy what they fear.
They fear themselves.

The wind will blow them across the ocean
thousands of them in giant boats
swarming like larva
out of a crushed ant hill.

They will carry objects
which can shoot death
faster than the eye can see.

They will kill the things they fear
all the animals
the people will starve.

They will poison the water
they will spin the water away
and there will be drought
the people will starve.

Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: paco on June 18, 2005, 10:38:46 PM
They will bring terrible diseases
the people have never known.
Entire tribes will die out
covered with festering sores...
vomiting blood.
Corpses for our work

Set in motion now
set in motion by our witchery
set in motion
to work for us

They will take this world from ocean to ocean
they will turn on each other
they will destroy each other
Up here
in these hills
they will find the rocks,
rocks with veins of green and yellow and black.
They will lay the final pattern with these rocks
they will lay it across the world
and explode everything.

Set in motion now
set in motion
To destroy
To kill
Objects to work for us
objects to act for us
Performing the witchery
for suffering
for torment
for the stillborn
the deformed
the sterile
the dead.

Whirling
Whirling
Whirling
Whirling
set into motion now
set into motion.

So the other witches said
"Okay you win; you take the prize,
but what you said just now -
it isn't so funny
It doesn't sound so good.
We are doing okay without that kind of thing.
Take it back.
Call that story back."

But the witch just shook its head
at the others in their stinking animal skins, fur
and feathers.
It's already turned loose.
It's already coming.
It can't be called back.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Speed on June 19, 2005, 12:10:34 PM
I was thinking, we might of all originally came from Africa, but what exactly time period are we working with?  Yeah we might of all came from Africa, but this would have been thousands and thousands of years ago...  Would humans even be as evolved as they are now back then?
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: SmG on June 19, 2005, 12:32:34 PM
Even though I am white, I feel that my soul is black, and that Africa is my home.

Peace and Love
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: joeyb on June 19, 2005, 09:29:12 PM
Raspect all!

"Even though I am white, I feel that my soul is black, and that Africa is my home."

Sorry SMG - I not sure I understand your point. How can your soul be black, when a soul has no race? In my view, your soul is you and everything about you - but how can it be black or white? How can you claim "blackness?"
               
                Also, how do you reason that Africa is your home?

Just some thoughts,
OneLove
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: haftrini on June 19, 2005, 10:26:12 PM
I must be missing the point of Rasta. If Rasta is the lifting up of the mind and soul from internal slavery that causes hatred and negativity, then I don't understand the title of the thread.

If Rasta is an African movement, then it seems to me the thread would be better stated as: Role of Non-Afrcians in an African movement.

But if Rasta excludes no race and believes no race is superior over another, then why does race matter when talking about things like justice for Africans and rights for the poor, repatriation, etc.? If Selassie I's words are true, then race can't be focused on like Bablyon does. Race is not something that determines how just you are or how valuable you are. This means that everyone in the Rasta movement has the exact same role and should equally worry about all the things Fiyah mention. These are things that concern everyone who has a conscience.

It's true that race should be recognized and not made out as nothing like some people would like to do, but race doesn't apply when speaking about matters of morals. A just person is a just person, and a foul person a foul person. Your race doesn't predetermine your justice or your injustice, only the tribe of people you come from.

I would say personally that the role of non-Africans and Africans is one and the same. Justice, conscious living, and as much help for the poor and downtrodden as you can muster.

“Until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned, that until there are no longer first class and second class citizens of any nation, until the colour of a mans skin is of no more significance then the colour of his eyes, that until the basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all without regard to race, that until that day the dream of lasting peace, world citizenship, and the rule of international morality will remain but a fleeting illusion, to be pursued, but never attained” Haile Selassie I

One Love
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Mov...
Post by: TREE-NATTY on June 19, 2005, 11:17:04 PM
E.M.HTP!!!!!
All this talk about rasta movement has no need to consider race of a person for the exodus I explained to Vibe. I notice I wasn't qouted so I qouted myself for the betterment.


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E.M.HTP!!!!

Vibe

Why should Africa be your home because of your ancestosr follies? But the some damaging thing you implied was that your ancestors messed up your identity of your nationality. But YOU not doing nothing about it! Now you expect Africans to accept you and you did nothing about your sitution! Why would Africans want you in africa? What do you have to offer? Because anything you do haven't even been seen by your own? This is some wolf in sheep clothing ish! We africans can't feel dat! And I don't think you really do!


HRU


Again ones with these fanasties of returning to Africa for whatever spiritual and root feelings must understand that for you to contribute you have to contribute something that works. If you had this somethong that works, your houses would be in order! Why can't the African clean is house by himself? Why is there so many helper who don't help their own but what to help Africans? This what I was saying in this post to Vibe. Please don't give me that rasta suppose to chant down babylon and them wicked ways with all man! Rasta in JA were creating Rasta because of this wickedness! This wickedness brought by european idealology. Imposed on the African thru politics in JA and others places throughtout the world. So yes Africa for AFRICANS is still the strongest pillar in Rasta since the start! when I read this pillar trying to be ignored and spiritual and peacefully push to the side. I have to point it out thru history.

In the words of Juelz Santana " stop swagger jackin' "


HRU
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: EmpressGong on June 19, 2005, 11:19:33 PM
Blessed Love

Fiyah Bun, I see the importance of this thread. I sight the need for there to be a verbal expression on the members and ways of this MOVEMENT. But I see that a lot of the responses you have received dealing with the concept of Rastafari as a RELIGION.

See, a lot of the respondents dont get it becuz they are not from the Caribbean which is the Birthplace of the Movement, while Africa on the other hand is the Birthplace of the Black Race and the Afrakan Spirituality that quite a few Rastas like you and me live by..TOgether we have Rastafari.

Someone even rudely said that we from the Caribbean are not direct descendents of AFraka becuz we rnt born of parents who are native to the Mamaland. As a Rasta with BLACK SKIN I take this as a personal INSULT cuz once yuh skin black yuh is AFRAKAN. Dere is NO PRETENDING THAT. let me repeat THERE IS NO PRETENDING that my skin burnt wit DNA dat my SLAVE ANCESTORS gave to my family. I like many others can trace back to the NAME of the white man who kept my great great grandmother the field slave hand as his lil woman pun de side. SO when you want to talk folly do it somewhere else!! FIYAH pun dat!

I dont care how many times people get here and post the words of HIM Selassie I. We are quite familiar with his speech. Thanks for the constant out of text reminder. Anyone who say they dont see in colour is a fool. Colour is all around becuz it builds culture and it gives identity and name. it explains situations and rules. laws and restrictions. WE ARE AWARE OF DIS. there is too much PRETENSE going on in this forum.

the point is that whether or not you young ones here want to accept the reality, Rastafari belongs to the Black Afrakan. Put that in yuh pipe and smoke it yuh site? I EmpressGong say so! Go read on the HISTORY of this movement and you will surely see what I am talkin about. The truth hurts but that doesnt mean it is goin to bend to make you feel better!

When you dealing with the religion aspect of Rastafari it is all good to say we r all one and that lets get together and feel alright. You go and listen to Bob and say yea man any skin colour is Rasta. But I want to tell you that Bob aint no fool and he knew exactly who he was speaking to. So did Selassie.

The role of the Non Afrakan is to ACCEPT WHAT HE/SHE IS NOT and find out the REAL ACCURATE purpose you are to serve as an outsider to the Story of Black SKin!
You are PRETENDERS if you cannot sight this. You say you can identify or you say you know but if you KNEW then foolishness wouldnt leave your mouth! Saadon...do you speak like that in your native tongue? NAH? when did you start speakin like dat man? I understood you before! SMG how is you soul black? Becuz you like Black Culture you think that you are Black? Listen to me, You do not have to copy the ways of a Black Person to be a part of our  works becuz our works is Jah works. and I am speakin on behalf of the Rastas who are truly Spiritual and see and feel the Divinity within ourselves. it is an insult to me to hear someone who doesnt know my Istory to talk all over their face about it as if it is theirs!

I am very disapppointed ina  lot of you when I read your responses to this thread. I am not saying you have to please me, but take my constructive criticism. There is a lot more to Rastafari than wearing dreads, wearing the Black POwer colours of RRGB,talkin like a Jamaican and listenin to reggae.you make yourself seem ignorant when you go outside of yourself to blend in with others. if you have to force it then it cant be what is for you.

You earn my respect and you are welcomed into a BLACK SPIRITUAL AND JUSTICE MOVEMENT when you show that you have seen the Light of JAH the One Most High Creator. when you see the errors of all mankind regardless of race and see the true divinity of our flesh made in the image of Jah then you are worthy of acceptance by others. And others dont have to accept you, but I put it this way becuz Rastafari belongs to the Black Struggle. IT is Black Liberation and always will remain this way regardless of what other misguided Blacks or whoever say. Oneness comes when you see yourself through Jah and others who share that vision. This is where the unity comes in and overpowers all else. But the fact remains is that the community movement, the repatriation is to alleviate the destitution of who? the Blacks.that is Rastafari now and forever more. We want oneness and unity in the community and in the land. but we also want what is ours to remain ours becuz no matter what anyone says, this world is not about to let racial differences become redundant and we must be militant and press on. We are here and we remember even though you dont want to! BELIEVE THAT!

I am not speakin to hurt others but I have to call a spade a spade.

EmpressGong
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Ras Saadon on June 19, 2005, 11:44:41 PM
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Saadon...do you speak like that in your native tongue? NAH? when did you start speakin like dat man? I understood you before!

I native tongue is hebrew so no but InI talk like that cuz InI feel more comfortable saying nah, InI nah do it to please anyone or to pretend that InI am from ja, InI do it cuz it make InI feel good.
and just so you know InI am african.. 2 of I grandparents are from africa, InI not totally black InI am more brown but InI am still african, so InI nah pretend to be nothing, its just who InI am.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: paco on June 20, 2005, 01:46:08 AM
juss passing the message along, yo y yo needed to read it also--  poEMA [smiley=smiley.gif]


http://poetrypoem.com/cgi-bin/index.pl?poemnumber=469211&sitename=poeticallyjust&password=&poemoffset=0&displaypoem=t&item=poetry
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: SmG on June 20, 2005, 07:38:29 AM
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Raspect all!

"Even though I am white, I feel that my soul is black, and that Africa is my home."

Sorry SMG - I not sure I understand your point. How can your soul be black, when a soul has no race? In my view, your soul is you and everything about you - but how can it be black or white? How can you claim "blackness?"
                
                 Also, how do you reason that Africa is your home?

Just some thoughts,
OneLove



Sorry, bredren, I meant that I feel that I should be born black, because I feel black. You are right the Soul has no colour. Jah sees not the colour of your skin, Jah sees the colour of your soul, and the soul has no colour, so Jah shows his love to every man that has found the rightous path.

Peace
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: joeyb on June 20, 2005, 08:32:29 PM
Thanks SMG - I understand your point, but I don't agree. I'd love to hear some good reasoning on it though - I am interested.

How do you reason that you should have been born black because you "feel" black? Surely, if Jah wanted you to be black - you would have been. But if you are white, Hispanic, Oriental etc. - that is your destiny. You must live like the man you are and not the man you want to be. This does not mean, if you are white, that you must embrace Babylon: of course you musn't. But as is quoted: "a spade is a spade."

This is not to say Jah don't love you - or even that you don't fit with His movement: but it is tenious to call yourself a "should-be black."
Any reasoning on this I-dren?

OneLove and raspect
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: thelastwinnum on June 20, 2005, 09:07:09 PM
how can one be " black on the inside"?  the color of your skin has nothing to do with whats on the inside, and it shouldn't have anything to do with anything as we have established on this site many times over. caring so much about labels is verging on vanity. just be yourself.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: TREE-NATTY on June 20, 2005, 10:26:27 PM
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how can one be " black on the inside"?  the color of your skin has nothing to do with whats on the inside, and it shouldn't have anything to do with anything as we have established on this site many times over. caring so much about labels is verging on vanity. just be yourself.


E.M.HTP!!!

Well what on the inside is no color than the laws of everything be connected has to be untrue! You can't throw universal laws and when you do you are making no sense. Your outside reflexs what inside! Blackheart man anyone!?! The empress spoke and you can't feel this way! You're just fooling yourself!!! Everything connects! Because if a european feels that their African than African should be able to feel european!! But I personally never felt this! And have never wanted to! So some fanasties must fell to come true! NUK PU don't feel to be or wish to have a white soul or whatever. It sound sillier when an African says it than a european said it! LOL!


HRU
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: haftrini on June 21, 2005, 12:50:41 AM
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The role of the Non Afrakan is to ACCEPT WHAT HE/SHE IS NOT and find out the REAL ACCURATE purpose you are to serve as an outsider to the Story of Black SKin!


Quote
I am not speakin to hurt others but I have to call a spade a spade.


If those aren't racist statements I don't know what is. Funny how a racist sounds the same no matter what race they belong to. I remember white people telling me the exact same thing.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: thelastwinnum on June 21, 2005, 12:50:53 AM
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E.M.HTP!!!

Well what on the inside is no color than the laws of everything be connected has to be untrue!

HRU

unseen..what do you mean ?
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: haftrini on June 21, 2005, 01:02:10 AM
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I remember white people telling me the exact same thing.


Pardon me.....I meant to say I remember Anglo-Americans telling me the same thing. Sorry bout that.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: thelastwinnum on June 21, 2005, 01:28:37 AM
 If we can't see past color than there will never be a rasta world, only a rasta movement. And quite honestly, there is already enough race based discrimination in this world. If a non-black wants to follow the rasta lifestyle, and pursue a peaceful life in which ALL men and women are considered equal in their eyes, and call themselves Rasta, THEN WHY WOULD YOU DENY THEM THIS? This is the one place I feel i can be considered equal, and it kinda sucks when the non-white people say I'm any less than them just because of my skin.Jah made one color in the beggining, and it is by ignoring the will of Him that we have come to be so many fragmented parts of this original whole. So why would you embrace the result of our mistakes? There will ALWAYS be many different races on this Earth. If you want to create a world where there is no war and no hunger and no poverty and no injustice then we must overcome our differences and see only one race, the HUMAN RACE. I beg you to forgive me from whatever my race has done to you that is so horrible that it would keep you from wanting to share this world with me, and please see me as an equal. Cause all I want to be is equal.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: haftrini on June 21, 2005, 01:48:00 AM
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If we can't see past color than there will never be a rasta world, only a rasta movement.


Refreshing to hear!!  [smiley=grin.gif]

One love!
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: EmpressGong on June 21, 2005, 03:02:34 AM
Fire Burn you out "haftrini." Half huh?

I see that you dont even see Half of what I am sayin in this thread if you can sit there on your little throne and call me racist. Listen, I dont deal with petty foolishness hear me? this Empress deal with reality and truth. The day a white man can look at their past and look at their skin and see their own divinity in their own right, something that could match or even be greater (who knows!)than the spiritual consistency that the black man has found for HIMSELF then I can say definitely ALL PRAISES TO JAH RASTAFARI for restoring Jah works to that culture. cuz that is the bigger picture..Bobo Shanti want Africa for Africans and Europe for Europeans..what you think they talkin about here Half?

furthermore you cannot say that a white person and I have previously told you the same thing. wouldnt make sense for a white racists to be pro black would it. [smiley=rolleyes.gif]

To further support my racist views: Non africans are taggin onto something that was BORN on the River Nile could never be as fittin as something they have found inbred in their own past and skin. so i back up my previous "racist statement" that the role of the non-african is to know and accept what you are NOT.

Regardless of what you or anyone think skin colour was put here for good and bad reasons like everythng else under Jah. it divides us and unites us. these are Jah intentions you know? but we also have the power to create our own intentions, so we cause trouble for ourselves as we stray from Jah.but again it is all Jah works. every vine is planted alongside the other. one aim one goal and one destiny. but still each vine have to find its own route to this becuz they are not growin from the same seed(culture and history). a vine that links onto another suffocates the other as it reaches to take all the sunlight (aim goal and destiny) for itself. (do not misinterpret seed as we are not all created equal. becuz we were but we r not equal in spirituality). this is exactly what is goin on here. Rastafari is the superior vine that shows a good growth path. it is the healing of the nation but whose? do you see it healin the white nation? you may say it doesnt heal the black but I will argue and say that those Blacks who feel the divinity know where to go and know where it is coming from.  Babylon is still workin against Rasta instead of seein the error of its mentality and ways.

I make no apologies for speakin my mind, and for you my dear Half to come and say that I am racist shows that instead of rising to the occasion and showin how I am wrong, you make an empty comment that has shaken me not one bit. Where is the Lion huh? You cannot live in this world and not accept racial division. it is something to be accepted and understand as th way of Creation. everything operates that way. living in a utopian society in your head will never get you anywhere and any Rasta know dat. I beat it militant all the way. fire bun down all illusion!

ps Saadon as u said you are from israel i kinda guessed ur skin colour seen? i nah care! anyways i mainly went on to de person who said dey had a black soul.

WHAT IS A BLACK SOUL ANYWAYS AND HOW DO YOU GET ONE?

EmpressGong...I nah bow! [smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: EmpressGong on June 21, 2005, 04:32:31 AM
Blessed Love

I want to just further say that I Love all Mankind despite our differences and divisions. We are truly divine beings..from the Taoists and Buddhists to the Muslims..to everyone.

It is just the ways of the world that I cannot always get down with like most of us here.And even though the spiritual plane exists above what we do now, we still must seek to unite Zion and the life we live in the present.open the gates now before our bodies become lifeless. that is why unity is important.to teach this fact to everyone, but I believe it will have to be in different ways becuz different cultures do things differently. but no matter what we all have to change our ways now and retain our history at the same time.

Furthermore regardless of skin I take the calling of oneself Rastafari to be a serious ting. sumting that shud not be professed and taken lightly. I myself had to humble seriously to the teachings and the origin of Rasta. It dates back to the Nile..the peoples of Kemet, Ethiopia..the burnt faced ones. This is why I take so strongly to upholding the true  identity of Rastafari.

I am not ever goin to tell someone to not seek the righteous path but I say take heed to knowin the roots of your own vine and understand that you cant run away from yourself or pretend to be something you are not. this is not racist nor unreasonable, it is a simple but harsh truth for all of the human race.like I said many times before, culture is the determining factor of our interactions and even the spiritual path we seek. so you still have to act within what exists now to know where you want to go and how u will do it.

Reflect on what I am really saying here is all I can ask. I will say we are all equal when it is really the truth. I will say know your roots in order to know yourself. becuz what has happened, is happenin now and will continue so the key is to be prepared to rise above the negative, and become one with the positive.we got to take care of our own before we can take care of others. you have to cast away the mote from your own eye before you can do that for another right?

EmpressGong
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: haftrini on June 21, 2005, 04:32:46 AM
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instead of rising to the occasion and showin how I am wrong, you make an empty comment that has shaken me not one bit


Then as the Catholics say in their mass...

Let us rise!

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furthermore you cannot say that a white person and I have previously told you the same thing. wouldnt make sense for a white racists to be pro black would it.


Let me put it in terms you can understand then. You said:

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The role of the Non Afrakan is to ACCEPT WHAT HE/SHE IS NOT and find out the REAL ACCURATE purpose you are to serve as an outsider to the Story of Black SKin!


When the Anglo's came after me wit their Anglo superiority nonsense it sounded almost exactly the same, only like this:

"The role of the Non Anglo is to ACCEPT WHAT HE/SHE IS NOT and find out the REAL ACCURATE purpose you are to serve as an outsider to the Story of White SKin!" <----- racist bull*&#@ whether it's worded like this, or worded like this:

The role of the Non Afrakan is to ACCEPT WHAT HE/SHE IS NOT and find out the REAL ACCURATE purpose you are to serve as an outsider to the Story of Black SKin!

How's that? Do you understand what I meant now?

Jus in case, let me explain further. When you talk your racist no-sense about how "white people" should just accept that they're outsiders to the African glory you show yourself to be no different than the Anglo's who say that "black people" are just outsiders to the Anglo glory. I learned that lesson firsthand.

And with all your talk about how you "nah bow" and all that, who cares? Even if you have the actions to back it up, you just have worthless actions to back up worthless words.

After 9/11 it didn't matter that all the Africans around me had suffered so many years and wanted equal rights. They mocked me, made fun of me, said I deserved what I got for being an Arab or a Muslim, or whatever I was to them at the time. Same wit Anglo's. They did the same thing to me.

There's only one problem. I'm not an Arab and I'm not a Muslim. But that didn't make a difference to anyone, "white" or "black". In their eyes I had dark skin, black hair, a full black beard, and I was whatever they made me out to be regardless of the truth. And the same fools who talked the same trash about the same "African" liberation that you do about how all "whites" need to learn their place in the African movement spit on me jus like all the Klan members did.

So once again, in case you missed it, your words are racist! You are no different than any Klan member when you say that one race is superior and another inferior or that one race needs to "learn its place".

I don't need to learn any place wit you. I don't live in a utopia. I live in a reality where people said my "kind" need to be shot dead, where people drove up into my yard in the middle of the night wit guns to harrass me, and where I was fired from my job at gunpoint and forced to sign a paper I wasn't allowed to read by Klansmen who ran the police like trained dogs. And in their mouths were the same racist rhetoric you spouted in your earlier posts.

And no matter how much you don't like to face it, and no matter how much you say that you can speak whatever you want because you're somehow superior, when you say that stuff you're on the same level as those God-forsaken bastards who I told off to their faces despite their guns and stood up to despite the cowardice of all the so-called "rights movement" members that stood around me talking trash about taking out the Klan while not doing a damn thing.

You need to cut your high horse off at the knees so you can see things on the same level as the rest of us.

You no higher and no lower than anyone else on this forum or in this world. Deal wit the truth Ms. Gong and quit hiding behind racist rhetoric that you know can't be true.

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FIYAH pun dat!
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Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: haftrini on June 21, 2005, 04:42:33 AM
I should probably follow this up by saying that after I was fired from my job, in the heat of all that was going on, the Most High gave me a sign.

Two "black" people, and two "white" people came forward and risked their jobs and their safety and gave my family money to get out of the town we were in and all the support we could ever ask for.

This was three years ago.

I don't need any other sign from the Most High on this. The message was clear.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: haftrini on June 21, 2005, 04:55:58 AM
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Reflect on what I am really saying here is all I can ask. I will say we are all equal when it is really the truth. I will say know your roots in order to know yourself. becuz what has happened, is happenin now and will continue so the key is to be prepared to rise above the negative, and become one with the positive.we got to take care of our own before we can take care of others. you have to cast away the mote from your own eye before you can do that for another right?


This is way more reasonable than what you said before! Why not jus put it like that to begin wit? That's a quote that finally makes sense.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: EmpressGong on June 21, 2005, 05:00:03 AM
And he says that I am a racist..wow trini you really lost yuh cool there on me with that one. I am sorry to hear bout what dem people do. dont seem like you should be takin that out on me though. Im young but I am quite aware of how it goes. DOnt yah just love that word nigger? Apparently in Canada it was my nickname and determined just what i could and cudnt do while i was living there...even something as simple as takin a cab.but true my blues aint like yours for sure..yours was much more mirky.sorrry for that past.

I tryin to figure out what you sayin, you know bredren. am I right to assume that what u tellin me, is that 2 wrongs dont make a right and by sayin that the rulers of this earth should be perpetually burned doesnt solve anything? ur right but at the same time its still true that there needs to be a burning..and for everyone!

ive never said here that only black people are right. that would be a great lie.also, I am Divine so yea you can call me superior if that is the way u see it.whatever rocks your boat. but u never once see me say Im better than nobody, so please dont bring that one to me. I am not on a high horse just becuz of how I speak. EmpressGong is de name.  you can laugh but I nah bow just like you nah bow to dem people who did this stuff to you.

also I dont need to be on the same level as you to see things your way. again I dont think everyone is equal and that is just the way it is, but again I have never said I am better than anyone, you just assume. but that is ok cuz that doesnt change the fact that I know what I AM.thats between me and Jah.

I dont post here often anymore becuz frankly the "learning" part is at an all time low for me. I am not into personal attacks and back and forth cussin yuh site? so I think I will just leave it here for now. Ive said all I have to say on this topic. It doesnt change how I feel and I wont take back what Ive posted unless the spirit move me in another direction. I am not a fan of speakin out of anger so I will agree to disagree with you on your false opinion of me.

EmpressGong
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: haftrini on June 21, 2005, 05:12:11 AM
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I am not into personal attacks and back and forth cussin yuh site? so I think I will just leave it here for now. Ive said all I have to say on this topic.


Cool.

And jus for the record, I wan't taking out my own experience on you, but I have no better example of what I think of the way your words sounded than my own personal experience. My cussin was not directed against you personally, so I apologize if that's how it come across, I jus say how I feel about the words witout any false pretense. And I happen to like the way you think, jus not how you chose to express it earlier.

Peace
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: EmpressGong on June 21, 2005, 05:14:11 AM
Bless Up

haftrini I am glad to see that you could agree with somethng I said. I wish that before you didnt just pick out the parts you hated and let it cloud everything else "potentiall good" i said in your eyes. I am aware that how I type may seem mean or even condescending..I speak it the way I feel it site?so it depends on the pre-feelings of the reader how they react to what I say.
that quote you selected was said different but the message was not unlike anything else I said. it really wasnt. it was just a summary of my stance on things. I dont want de arguement, and I see where you coming from. i honestly, really can site what you have said and we arent on the same level. see it can work out?

EmpressGong






Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: paco on June 21, 2005, 05:20:45 AM
greetings haftrini, we all white now bro! thank Jah for Rastafari, blackmans redemption where love and respect breaks in thru the cracks like grass growing thru concrete, to help us all be free from white supremacy! shit we all got stories, man. say, i was talking to this Lakota brother and he say to me back before tha europeon came you could watch the bison go by from sun up to sun down, there was millions-- tha buffalo nation. well the invaders massacred many indigenous people but this lakota bro told me the buffalo took the first hit, they were almost wiped out-- buffalo is sacred, man. haftrini i learned many moons ago the blackman is not my enemy. the predator is here bro, we must emancipate ourselves, que no? empressgong needs to be read over and over imo. ain't nobuddy here saying we not equal, imo. to me it's all about respect, respect the black african. those who chose rasta please remember who it come from and be humble enough to listen. juss how i see's it.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Ras Saadon on June 21, 2005, 09:41:18 AM
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ps Saadon as u said you are from israel i kinda guessed ur skin colour seen? i nah care! anyways i mainly went on to de person who said dey had a black soul.

Seen sistren, InI wasnt offended but it looked like you made some assumption bout InI so InI corrected you.. and just so you know Israel isnt mostly white people, we have here people of all colors from the most white to the most black, becuase Israel is composed of pilgrimages from all over the world.
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me it's all about respect, respect the black african. those who chose rasta please remember who it come from and be humble enough to listen. juss how i see's it.

Seen Idren, exactly how InI feel, but InI still think that everyone has the right to live in Africa if he wants.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: EmpressGong on June 21, 2005, 10:58:31 PM
Bless

Saadon..this is a dead issue right but I just want to clarify still cuz I tink u misunderstood me..when I said I guessed your skin colour I meant that I figured you had tanned ie not pale skin..some shade of colour. I dont want to say black but Im sure you get my point now right?

EmpressGong
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Ras Saadon on June 21, 2005, 11:39:32 PM
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I dont want to say black but Im sure you get my point now right

to be honest not really.. now you got InI confused.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: ArkI on June 22, 2005, 05:12:33 AM
Some people learn some of the ways of RasTafarI and learn the things that RasTafarI Idren and Sistren say, but they look past the reasons for the ways and the reasons for what is said.

RasTafarI people don't speak of Repatriation for Africans to Africa because they decided to pick Africa out of all the places of the world because Africa is some special place that people must go to.

RasTafarI people speak of Repatriation of Africans to Africa because Africa is the home of Africans. I and I are speaking for the Ones that were taken away from Africa and used as Slaves in the West.  I and I are speaking of returning a people to the Home they were taken from.

The role of all RasTafarI people(of all colour) is to Live by the example of Jah RasTafarI.  I and I are also the Ones sent to Chant and Rise in the Spiritual heights and perform the works of the seals opened by RasTafarI. I and I are also the Ones who speak and chant for Repatriation of Africans to Africa.  I and I also speak and chant in support of all the downpressed in the world and speak and chant against all the downpressors.  One example is that I and I don't speak about the First Nations(Indian) people being Repatriated to Africa. I and I speak and chant for the First Nations people to have the control of their land (North America) returned to them.

The example that Fiyahbun said about people setting up a tent on your property is a good example.  How many of the people on this forum who own property would allow this "because the person setting up the tent has a right to live anywhere"?  And some of the people who don't own property but live on their parent's property may not be able to give an honest answer to this question because some people are more generous about things that belong to others (ie. parents).  But their sound changes when they are the ones that worked 5 or more days a week to pay for the property.

And to put it in perspective, the original people of a country have worked for centuries to take care of their country.

Here is a little something Selassie I spoke about respecting frontiers.

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Accept Frontiers

At Addis Ababa enough was said to demonstrate beyond doubt that Africans are virtually unanimous in their agreement that only by acceptance of the frontiers bequeathed to them by the colonialists can permanent peace reign on our continent. The principle of respect for the territorial integrity of states is repeated in the OAU's Charter no less than three times, and it is only for us to observe it as scrupulously as it deserves. Ethiopia supports this view, although she herself suffered no less than others from the depredations of the imperialists.

We must, however, go still further. The Charter has accurately and adequately defined the principles to which we have pledged our adherence. Africans, however, like all other peoples possess not only virtues but weaknesses and it is perhaps inevitable that differences will arise among us from time to time. Just as Africa, as a single entity, and the several African states individually toil for the peaceful settlement of disputes among states, so must we ensure that disputes in Africa are settled peacefully. If our continent is not free of internecine strife, how can we hope to influence others whose disputes endanger the peace of the world?

In like manner, the Charter's signatories have declared their adherence to the complementary principle of non-interference in the internal affairs of other states and this principle, too, must be rigidly observed if conflict between Africans are to be avoided. It is all too often under the guise of territorial disputes and through the medium of subversive activity directed against legitimate governments that the foreign influences which we seek to bar from our continent endeavour to exert their power and establish for themselves a foothold from which to expand their activities. We must guard against the insidious substitution of one form of dominance and rule for another; we must be vigilant to inhibit the growth of what is called neo-colonialism.

http://www.jah-rastafari.com/selassie-words/show-jah-word.asp?word_id=oau_cairo
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When Selassie I said, "the foreign influences which we seek to bar from our continent"  He wasn't speaking about not allowing any foreigners into the country, his example of working with people of other countries and accepting foreigners into Ethiopia shows this.  But he was speaking against foreigners influencing the movements of Ethiopia in ways not permitted by Ethiopia.  Selassie I had immigration laws and He never allowed anybody to become an Ethiopian citizen just because they wanted to. They had to be given permission.


Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Speed on June 22, 2005, 01:20:43 PM
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Let I say that there is only one form of racism that exist. It is White Supremacy


This is untrue.  If you are going to say all other forms of racism is reactionary then all forms must be reactionary to begin with...
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: EmpressCarla on June 22, 2005, 02:30:09 PM
I think most misunderstand the difference between racism and prejudice. Anyone of any race can be prejudiced. That is simply choosing to pre-judge another based on assumptions. Racism is institutionalized prejudice, or acting with regard to prejudice. In order for racism to exist, it must be enacted. Racism is a structural order put into place by a group in power. So ones cannot be racist if they do not hold the needed power.

If I as an African decide that Africans are superior to Europeans, then I have a prejudice against Europeans. However, if I do not have any power, then this is simply a prejudice. For I can do nothing to manipulate the fate of Europeans, seen? It is the White Supremacy power structure that exists in the world today that acts as a group, and their actions negatively affect or disregards others, and the basis for these acts have to do with race.

But those affected by this racism are simply reacting to such imposition. That is not racism. That is reacting to it. So it is up to the affected to find productive ways to react that are not misconstrued as racism or reverse racism. But I think it is clear and true that the only real racism in existence today is White Supremacy, for this is current power structure which is imposing its will on other groups.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Speed on June 22, 2005, 02:30:23 PM
I don't think you can say White Supremacy is the only type of racism.  When I spent time in Spain I found out alot of Spanish are racist towards the Morrocans who move to Spain.  In Cyprus some Greek Cypriots are racist towards the Turkish Cypriots and vice versa.  In Taiwan alot of the Chineese are racist towards the Taiwanese.  It is all reactionary and then the hatred is channelled through focusing on the thing that is different between the two parties...

Respect...
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: msgal on June 22, 2005, 10:01:37 PM
The system and the individual. Athough the individual can choose to be part of the system, not all do.
The white supremist system is populated by white people who choose to be a part of this evil system, but not all do.
We shouldn't confuse the system with the individual.
The white supremist system is competely evil and needs to be fought against in every way possibly.
When a white person makes the choice not to be part of that system it is the first step in the fight against it.
As a non-African person who chooses NOT to be a part of this system my part here is to try to get others to see that the injustices perpetrated in this system MUST end. The right choice for me is to fight the system always and everywhere it exists.
For me at least this fight is on a grass roots level. I deal with individuals.
Even though my fight is here, I must stress. This is NOT my place. It is not my home.
No one's place is determined by the color of their skin.
It is determined by the choices they make, by what is in their heart, and by the people who they love and who love them.
The people who are my family are all from the carribean. They are all of African decent. I am not and would not claim to be. My skin is as pale as can be. But this did not stop them from loving me just the same. They have made me a member of their family, with all the usual rights and responsiblities. In their eyes I am no different than they. My place is with them. If they choose to stay here my place is here also. If they chose to go to Africa, I also would go. Wherever they are so will I be.
I realize some people here do not like non-Africans to speak in patois and I chose to speak in my native language so as not to offend.
But don't think for a minute I don't ever speak patois. My family always speaks this around me and I have learned much from them. Even out in the world I find this becoming a regular part of my speach. I'm exposed to it so much now that I don't even realize I'm doing it. When I speak this way outside the family the reaction is amusing. My family loves the fact that I want to learn and has no problem with this.
They encourage me. Reality is it makes it easier for all of us to comunicate.
For now I am still more proficient with english than with patois, but as my skill improves don't be surprised if I fling a little your way.
This thread has been very thought provocing and encouraging.
Empress Carla's post and all of Fiyahbun's posts have totally clarified this subject for me. And of course Ark I is wise as always.
Not to ignore the rest. All have made this what I concider one of our best threads.

Jah bless

One love
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: RasViKing on June 23, 2005, 12:12:35 AM
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Someone even rudely said that we from the Caribbean are not direct descendents of AFraka becuz we rnt born of parents who are native to the Mamaland. As a Rasta with BLACK SKIN I take this as a personal INSULT cuz once yuh skin black yuh is AFRAKAN.


Itinual Love and Blessings EmpressGong

I meant no disrespect or hatred to you or any of Caribbean family. My only point there was that if you are saying that because u left Afraka after i did that that makes u a direct descendant and i not is bull. InI are all from one creator. Alla-We. An we must kill down this no-tion of race as there is only the human race. InI are of many tribes and towns, but there is only one race. And to decide to ism and schism it by skin tone is Babalonian. None o we own Afraka, only some o we have possetion of it at present. It is for Alla We to do everything we can to help whoever, where-ever, when-ever we can and stop classifying as to who left first or last.

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One has to overstand that never before has there been a system enacted upon the earth by a group of people that controls media, religion, politics on and on... to institute a global ideology based strictly on judging peoples based upon the color of their skin.


That's not true. There may never have been one as 'suck-sessful' as the White Supremacy/Racism has been, but almost all systems of putting one person, or a group, in power over others has used similar ways.Think of the caste system of India and other countries. Long ago most people were not aware of people outside their area whether it be tribal area, country or neighbors. The rulers ruled in a 'global' frame of mind even if they couldn't actually. Technology has been the 'friend' to the current system in that it has allowed people to spread further around the world and aflict it to a greater degree.

In these present days i don't think that the system is about 'race' or ethnicity any longer. It's all about power and money. It may yet be difficult for someone other than a 'white' person to gain either of these things but it is increasingly difficult for anyone who isn't a part of a lineage of power and/or $$ to obtain it. While the system was set up by whites it has taken on a power of it's own in these last days.

Blessings, Overstanding and Love to all JAH Children
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Valerie on June 23, 2005, 06:03:38 AM
Greetings to all,

I have read this interesting thread but I was a bit striken by some answers.

First of all, I think it is important to make some distinctions:

African origins and African culture are two SEPARATE things:
A
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Valerie on June 23, 2005, 07:09:33 AM
Sorry I have sent my previous post before finishing it.

African origins is the birthplace of mankind and all can justly claim their roots there.
Yet, African culture is the direct experience and consciousness of a distinct group of people: BLACK people. And Non-Africans CANNOT claim anything there.
Culture is the collective experience that shapes the identity of people.
Rastafari Culture is from the Caribbean but it is AFROCENTRIST. It shapes the 'identity' of the great-grandchildren of Neg' MAROONS, of the great-grandchildren of SURVIVORS. Yeah Man! Rastafari Culture = BLACK RESISTANCE.
One cannot come into a BLACK MOVEMENT and ignore this distinction.
It is our duty as Black people to fight for reparations and to make repatriation (for those who want) possible. I fail to see the role of Non Africans in this fight.
There is a difference between admiring the tenets of culture that is not yours and 'participating'.

So, when some of you say we can all return to Africa for Africa is the birthplace of humanity, I call it 'Non-sense'!
But yes, everybody has the right to settle where he/she wants for the Earth is for everybody. But do not call that 'repatriation'.

And, as far as I am concerned there is a BIG difference between 'identity' and 'identification'. But I don't have time to express my point of you on that, although it would be interesting and appropriate to emphasize this distinction.

I have noticed that Non Africans love speaking about Haile Selassie and His speeches, but few of Non Africans love speaking about the AFROCENTRIST tone of Rastafari or the History of the Movement. How funny it is!

I wish I could write more about this thread, but I don't have time.

Hope my English is overstandable.
Paix et Amour. Valérie.  
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: haftrini on June 23, 2005, 10:57:29 AM
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Repatriation is for those that were taken wrongfully from Africa into bondage.


Very well put!

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There is no other form of Racism but White Supremacy. You cannot prove this wrong.


If that were an actual fact I guess I could take you seriously.

You keep mentioning Egypt in the mix of things. What kind of supremacy is it called when African Egyptians enslaved the Hebrews for so many years? The African domination of the Jews wasn't a form of African supremacy even though they thought of the Jews as an inferior race fit for nothing else than brick-making and being beaten daily? What if the roles were reversed? I doubt you'd hesitate for a second to call it "white" supremacy, but maybe I'm wrong. How do you explain Egypt's enslavement of the Hebrews?
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: haftrini on June 23, 2005, 11:22:03 AM
P.S.- Ark I that was a great post!
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Ras Saadon on June 23, 2005, 11:54:27 AM
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The African domination of the Jews wasn't a form of African supremacy even though they thought of the Jews as an inferior race fit for nothing else than brick-making and being beaten daily? What if the roles were reversed? I doubt you'd hesitate for a second to call it "white" supremacy, but maybe I'm wrong. How do you explain Egypt's enslavement of the Hebrews?

fear Idren, nah racism.. Exodus 1:8-11, the Egyptians feared that the Hebrew will grow larger and attack them so to stop the Hebrews development they turned them into slaves..
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Tottenham on June 23, 2005, 09:23:28 PM
I am a Turkish Muslim, but I appreciate and want to understand many different cultures and beliefs.I think that it is beautiful that Rastafarianism has played such a major part in restoring black pride and bringing recognition to Africa,the ancient continent that has been ignored and abused for too long.Although I understand that it is a religion rooted in Black African culture I think that some followers seem too concerned with race.I am not thoroughly educated on Rastafarianism so if anyone thinks I'm wrong then please enlighten me.I just feel that religion/beliefs should not be closed to a particular sector of society.It's discrimination and I dont think discrimination has any place in the world, let alone within a religion.I for one know that I would not reject a white/European person who was serious about becoming a Muslim.
But I agree that the west has exploited the rest of the world for too long,especially the East.They are still doing it to Turkey now.And I am sickened that the West still refuses to recognize the Turkish part of Cyprus, going as far as banning adverstising of it in London because it offends certain sectors of society(The Greeks!)
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Positive_Vibration on June 23, 2005, 11:12:03 PM
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Blessed Love


Very good point sistren! As long as one meets the standard set by the countries immigration policy I see no problem with people living where they want. But if ones ancestors were not wrongfully taken into bondage then do not call it repatriation. For those that say that the land do not belong to the people there. I say they are wrong. When ones ancestors have live on that land from iration. Died and buried in that soil. Lives lost to protect that land. How can one just negate this and say the land belongs to no one? Do not confuse that which is absolute and that which is relative.

If ones are to have the one new race of people that HIM Haile Selassie i spoke of justice have to firstly be served. So the role of All Rasta people is a fight for justice. All Rasta people must support reparation and repatriation for the descendants of those Africans that were wrongfully taken into bondage. It is one struggle for Justice. Sitting around and saying everyone is African does not solve anything.

[bgcolor=Green] Rastafari  [/bgcolor]
[bgcolor=Yellow] Haile Selassie I  [/bgcolor]
[bgcolor=Red] Fiyah  [/bgcolor]  


Brilliant. I wish these points were made earlier in the thread. Thank you

One love
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: haftrini on June 24, 2005, 11:10:07 AM
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If one reads only the Bible alone concerning these issues one will only get a biased view of things.


I was actually referring to the Egyptian account of things. Tacitus records the Egyptian view like this:

"Most writers, however, agree in stating that once a disease, which horribly disfigured the body, broke out over Egypt; that king Bocchoris, seeking a remedy, consulted the oracle of Hammon, and was bidden to cleanse his realm, and to convey into some foreign land this race detested by the gods."

They were a hated race to the Egyptians.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Wahine on June 24, 2005, 11:21:16 AM
The idea of "race" is a human creation. (Andrew Hacker) Two Nations.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Ras Saadon on June 24, 2005, 11:46:00 AM
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Very good point sistren! As long as one meets the standard set by the countries immigration policy I see no problem with people living where they want. But if ones ancestors were not wrongfully taken into bondage then do not call it repatriation.

Idren fiyah, that what InI meant, InI nah mean that white can repatriate to africa, InI meant that they can live there if they want.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Valerie on June 25, 2005, 10:26:17 AM
Greetings,

Fiyah wrote:
Sistren Valerie I hope you get a chance to bless this thread with your views on this:

And, as far as I am concerned there is a BIG difference between 'identity' and 'identification'. But I don't have time to express my point of you on that, although it would be interesting and appropriate to emphasize this distinction.

Here is what I mean:
It is my contention that there is a clear difference between "constructing your identity" from a culture (Rastafari) that glorify our African heritage and recounts the suffering and Resistance of Black West Indians and "identifying" yourself with a culture (Rastafari) which has nothing to do with you.

There is a huge difference between the African descent people who come into Rastafari to gain self-awareness, African Pride/Dignity and to reconciliate themselves with their African heritage and Non-African descent people who come into Rastafari becoz' obviously they feel a loss of cultural identity and wish to adopt other cultures that connect them to their natural sense of Self.

Since this thread addresses to Non African Rastas, I would like you to recognize that, to some extent, it is difficult for you (indeed impossible) to adopt some tenets of the Rasta culture (reparations, repatriations, glorification of our African heritage...). I would like you to recognize that yes you came into Rastafari culture coz' you were going trough an identity crisis. It can be overstandable since Babylone, Europe, Western "civilization" offers no real/ valuable culture.

Yes, there is an enormous difference between "identity" and "identification".
I don't think that Non African Rastas are constructing their own identity with Rastafari but are rather "identifying" with some tenets of the culture (H.I.M speeches, Reggae music, Rasta colors...).
Rasta does not shape a "universal identity". Besides, the day there will be a universal identity it will be the end of the world!

Let me now go back to a statement of R.Viking: Rastafari is the liberation of MAN. Let me stop writing and burst out laughing! [smiley=laugh.gif] You have obviously misoverstood the real purpose of Rasta Culture.
Sorry Bro. RViking, but I cannot let you say such a thing and spread misinformation in this forum. the TRUE, ORIGINAL, REAL meaning of Rasta Culture is the Liberation of Black People (particularly in the West Indies, but also abroad).
Black People liberate Urself from your "slave mentality". This is what Rasta is all about. And H.I.M is the Liberator/Redemptor of the Black People as M.M.Garvey prophetized it. But I agree to say that H.I.M can be the Lord of anybody for His teachings are invaluable.
Yet, you have the right to see Rasta as U want and have your own viewpoint. Maybe it is in this way that you find the possibility to "feel at ease" in this Afrocentrist Caribbean Culture. But, please don't deny the fact that Rasta is Liberation for Black People; by denying that Ur denying the Culture itself.

After having spoken my mind, I want to add that this post is not an "anti Non African Rastas post". Not at all. I just wanted to emphazise the clear distinction between "identity" and "identification", coz' I think this thread is the opportunity to do it, and coz' I think that the notions of "identity" and "identification" are central issues in this thread.

I am not saying that Non Africans cannot be Rasta? Who am I to sustain that?
No, I am just saying that everybody should recognize a number of things (particularly Non African Rastas) and know their place and stop questioning the essence of Rastafari by turning it in a Universalist Culture coz' it is not. Besides, Universal-ism is a racist approach.

Sorry for this long and messy post.
Paix et Amour. Valérie.

 
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Ras Saadon on June 25, 2005, 12:08:23 PM
Seen sistren Valerie, very enlightening post.

PS. you nah have to apologize after each post for your english or something like that, cuz your english is very good and posts are always very overstandable.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Valerie on June 25, 2005, 03:09:15 PM
Greetings,

Fiyah wrote:

I think that Rasta is culture and also beyond culture.

You 're right, so right.

I feel that Rastas fight is Iniversal. The reason why people not  descended from the Africans taken into bondage can identify with Rasta  is because it deals with the Iniversal struggle for justice

Fiyah, I fully agree with you.
Actually I should have quoted your entire post instead of some sentences! You have given a right explanation/definition, if I might say, of what is Rasta all about. And, you have rightly added something really important concerning "identity" and "identification":
Yet I think Africa for the Africans has to do with both with one constructing their identity firstly and then also as a means of identification.

And yes, I do think that Non African Rastas can be helpful in this struggle for justice. And yes, African descent Rastas, it is our role to lead this struggle. Yeah man!

I think that this thread is really interesting to reason on for it is a HIGHLY important topic. Give thanks Fiyah.

Saadon, I have taken good note of what you said. Thank you. [smiley=wink.gif]
From now on, I will get rid of this bad habit of apologizing for my English!

Paix et Amour. Valérie.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Positive_Vibration on June 25, 2005, 04:20:08 PM
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Blessed Love

Great post sistren ValeriE! I agree with you on the distinctions you made about constructing identity and one identifying with something. One can identify with African culture and not be African, very true. Yet I think Africa for the Africans has to do with both with one constructing their identity firstly and then also as a means of identification.

I think that Rasta is culture and also beyond culture. I feel that non direct descendants of those taken into bondage can still be of benefit to Africans that seek repatriation, reparation etc. If it is even to give I and I a drive to airport to drop I off on the way to Zion! I feel that Rastas fight is Iniversal. The reason why people not  descended from the Africans taken into bondage can identify with Rasta  is because it deals with the Iniversal struggle for justice. These are Basic Human Right that are beyond culture. One must also know that amongst Africans there are cultural difference also. There is not ONE African Culture. There are many.  At the heart of what Rasta teach is Love, however. This is an iniveral message.  So you are correct that it is not Universialism in terms of cultural identity. It is the Love that Rasta Manifest that ones can identify with and is Iniversal. So all saying that everyone is African will never solve anything. It is the love, love of Justice, clean ital livity, love of life etc. that over all inifiy Rasta people. So for the non African there is no need to deny any aspect of what the Movement of Rastafari is about even if you do not identify with those aspects. It is not your role to redefine Rasta Culture to suite your own identity. The foundation of the Rastafari Movement is for the liberation of the African. Yet as HIM say when the Africans are free all will be free.





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[bgcolor=Yellow] Haile Selassie I  [/bgcolor]
[bgcolor=Red] Fiyah  [/bgcolor]


Seen Fiyah, and it is I's intention to be right there along with the Africans in peace, love, and harmony. Not for repatriation but for justice, help, and unification.

InI have learned much from this thread. InI give thanks.

One love
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: EmpressGong on June 26, 2005, 06:22:57 AM
Bless

It is good to know that finally people will take heed to the same message Ive been tryin to put across in my posts whenever we discuss non-afrakan rastas.  I just want to point out something Valerie said that I have taken a beating for but I stand by no matter what!!!! As a non-afrakan you are identifying with a culture not necessarily becoming one with it simply becuz it is not ur roots. its like a wolf that has on a sheep suit tryin to blend it with the flock. of course the malice intent of that is not the point here its just an example.

Ive tried to talk about ethnicity. something that a lot of you here do not STUDY. I think the reason why Valerie and I have such a similar stance on things is becuz we have studied that Black men of the Rastafari movement or the Freedom Fighters. Claiming to know the speeches of HIM cannot do justice to TRULY KNOWING this MOVEMENT. Rasta came before HIM was crowned! you have got to understand what race is, what ethnicity is, what the economic situation is, the political system, what lies are, and what fabrications are. these are the things that have determined the heights that Rastafari surge upwards to. to know the STORY of the Black skin from ANCIENT AFRAKA to modern day diasporic and native afraka give one such a 360 that shows what Rasta is..what it always will be. Again non-afrakans have to understand WHAT THEY ARE NOT. this is not a racist statement. it is fact. becuz u r not black or of the afrakan diaspora, or of the mainland this determines how you interpret things and how you understand things.

what a black/afrakan person understands about Rasta (those who have spiritually awakened the skin and brek out de slave/herd mentality of babylon) is most of the time different to the understanding that most of you have. I am not trying to judge or offend here, I am just makin a general personal observation. But anyways, If you have the mental capacity to ask the right questions and seek the real situation behind the word Rasta then power to you! But being ona computer, talkin about Jah and being one with Creation doesnt cut it. In other words, while many things or different aspects fall under the banner of Rastafari, awakening to certain things like becoming one with the Universe does not mean that one shud chant Rastafari, this is true for anyone.

The earth belongs to itself, we r just one part of it..spiritual realm is really what counts when u look at what we have created by separatin from Jah/Creation, but still all is ONE. all Creation is ONE, the UNIverse is ONE, but when it comes down to us man and woman culture divides us like how the physical and spirit are divided: we know there is to be a connection but sometimes the smoke screen of BS is so thick that we cant just seem to grasp what we know SHOULD BE, and is in fact TANGIBLE.

SO yea again to those who say that the earth belongs to all, yea technically speakin dat is a fact..but see dis global order we got? it doesnt tink so. white supremacy says that the earth belongs to america..and americans are in fact europeans and europeans are in fact the ones who caused this shit for us blacks in the first place. again I am statin fact, not being racist. there is never a doubt that there was prejudice within the black race. come on when isnt that true for anyone? but for one race to have complete dominition over the whole world?! this fact is so powerful that it overrules in my opinion this whole notion of one human race over culture/ethnicity/race. it becomes null and void to say we r all one when 99% of the world dont believe that!

Rastafari for black people is ZION!!! Do you understand what that means?! Its a mental and spiritual liberation becuz we have been able to reclaim SELF on different levels. and by doin this we want repatriation which is the physical reclamation of self. this cant be shared by just anybody...so it can be labelled prejudiced for us to say that anyone else cant really have the identity in our roots..but its also a fact. being in love with the idea of what Rastafari has to offer can cause many problems. But one thing I wil support which ArkI said is that Rastafari is about folowing the example, of not just HIM though, but all the Freedom Fighters and doing Jah works. This is for all to obey and share as ONE. that is how we can all unite. that is Jah intention, but again white supremacy want to see that discredited.

So I say forward unto Zion, take the Sacred Trod to Self..and as our book says Carla, by knowin teh Sacred Self first, all healing of the nation can happen. So for the Black Rastafari Nation I say Bless up for pushing forward these works even though many try to fight us down (becuz we see Jah Light)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EmpressGong! Back on my high horse probably but I likin de view!
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: EmpressGong on June 26, 2005, 06:33:16 AM
another thing,, sorry for my long post first
and second....to understand white supremacy is to realise that it is like a thief in the night...a shadow...it is there but yet still we dont recognise it's presence. and white supremacy is a mentality that manifests in discussions such as this where a person of european decent cannot accept that they have no formal or real title to Rastafari in terms of decent.hence the argument of only one race the human race. Rastafari in terms of experience and story behind skin is what I am focusin on and this is a big part of Rastafari. denyin this again is that mentality. and to even partly contradict what I said earlier, followin the example of HIM cannot be a selected affirmation of what Rastafari is defined to be. that is the mentality again.

however

it starts with skin. roots, culture and decent but doesnt have to end with it.

EmpressGong
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Amandel on June 26, 2005, 01:17:29 PM
Misgana,

I will be short, it's not an answer to the questions posted, but just a comment on what i noticed in a few posts.

First of all, - i think i mentioned this before but i'll go ahead and repeat myself, stop listening to so much Bob and other artiste and read a few books, You'll be surprised how much valuable information there is to be found in them. And i suggest some of you re-read EmpressGong's posts, don't just read between the lines, because if you read books, you'll come to the (almost) same conclusion.
Put aside your eurocentric (for the most part it's not your fault) visions of "the other" or how things actually are.

Secondly, to the persons that said there's not just one type of racism, you're right, but not in the context you placed it. Racism is a European term therefore it places its focus on European relationships (do some research on that and you'll see what i'm referring to). So whenever someone says Afrocentrism is racist then they are WRONG, same as when someone says CHinese are racist towards Taiwanese, YOU'RE WRONG AGAIN. Reason for this is because Afrocentrisme has nothing to do with placing the other person below you, it's about bettering a black person's situation / life. In the case of the chinese and taiwanese it doesn't have to do with RACE but with CULTURE. It seems as if all white Europeans/ Americans etc (the west) think that other people categorize/ classify their 'opponents' in RACE, the reality is that others (non westerns/ non caucasians) classify their 'opponents' on the basis of their culture.
Judging from what i've read I can say that racism is a european concept and action.
Don't get me wrong there are 'racist of other colors' but are they really racist? I'll leave you with that thought. AND DON'T BOTHER ANSWERING ME IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE YOUR RESEARCH!

Thirdly, since the ORIGINAL TOPIC was about the role of non-blacks in the ras-movement (nevermind commenting of why i typed RAS, you should know what ras means).
Wether people choose for physical or spiritual repatriation, do non-whites feel they will improve the situation in Africa? You'll just make it worse and i'll show you why with an example (since ppl tend to understand things better with an example).
*There's an all black neighbourhood, one white man (middle class) buys one of those broken down houses, rebuilds/fixes it......next thing 3 other whites moves in refurbish the houses and this process goes on...ARE YOU GETTING THE PICTURE ALREADY? NO, THEN I'LL CONTINUE.....next thing the neighbourhood is half white and half black, so where have the rest of the blacks gone? the answer is to a poorer neighbourhood, house prices gone up too high and the remaining blacks are being threatened economically to leave. In 5 years time there are just 5 black families but they weren't from the original batch, they're new 'middle class black families*.
For those that didn't understand the moral of the story....Do you think you moving to Afreeka will improve the lives of the Afreekans? If you move in you'll just be caught up in the exploiting system that there is, and thanks to you there will be a more visible segregation (and we all knows what that does).
Moving on....

Last and certainly not the least. For those that still don't know it. Yes (i have to admit it) blacks have a identity complex, so how does you (white rasta) moving to the 'islands' or Afreeka is going to improve the mentality of the blacks?
Agains I SUGGEST SOME OF YOU DO SOME SERIOUS READING, so you might then understand why according to some, certain rastas (including myself) are perceived as militant or racist. Remember what they say about the Black Panters and Malcolm X, they were "militant" and " racist" but the truth is you good ole passive Martin L KIng haven't done anything (DO SOME READING).
Since i know a lot of you will be reading i suggest reading BLACK SKIN, WHITE MASKS by FRANTZ FANON. There you will get a picture what you're dealing with as a "non-black" rasta. The rasta movement is not what you think it is, nicely enough you've given it meaning to your life, but YOUR life is not that significant in this circle.

I'll leave it here for now, but i'll be back later....Have a Blessed day all.
Princess_Ez
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Amandel on June 26, 2005, 01:18:40 PM
Misgana,

And i'm not apologising for what i wrote, so who ever feels offended, all i can say is DO SOME SERIOUS READING.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Tottenham on June 26, 2005, 08:00:46 PM
I really agree with Valerie that it is hard to be wholly a part of a religion or culture that is not integrated into ur past.You can appreciate it,but u can neva completely understand all elements of it.
I dont think that excuse should be made for the treatment of Hebrews by Egyptians.It was supremist/wrong but its history.And many were battling for power then.Also it depends on whether u considered the Egptians as black like the inhabitants of other areas of Africa.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Positive_Vibration on June 27, 2005, 05:57:24 AM
Empresses and prophets ... InI have just read all the reasoning on this page and am sincerely thankful to all the wisdom and knowledge that has been exclaimed, stated, and echoed.

Its brought a couple questions to my mind though...and if those that reasoned on this page particularly can answer it then InI would give endless thanks...

It is seen then, that much of the concept of Rastafari simply is not in the roots of non-African descendents.

It is also seen that the iniversal fight is for equal rights and proper justice.

My question then, my bredrens and my sistrens, is can a non-African descendent righteously and rightfully claim 'Rastafari' while taking a predominant stride?

In different words, can a person of non-African roots truly claim 'Rastafari' without always having to take a step back?

For example - It is clear that ALL righteous people are in the fight for rights and true justice outside this racist shitstem, however, in the retreat to Zion, will the role of the non-African Rasta truly be too far beyond driving the African Rasta to the airport?

And then I ask - how righteous can the non-African Rasta truly be - if at the end of the much neccessary job, the return is being forever bound to the Babylonian land thats been fought against all along, of course until true peace and unsettlement is attained?

InI deeply look forward to reasoning and perspective on this matter.

One
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Valerie on June 27, 2005, 09:48:47 AM
Greetings,

To answer one of the questions of Positive_Vibration:


In different words, can a person of non-African roots truly claim 'Rastafari' without always having to take a step back?

I will say first, that all the posts, particularly the last ones, are clear enough to answer your question. I think. You will have always to step back since you are in a BLACK Movement that have AFRICAN roots and that is AFROCENTRIST.

Secondly, I think that those questions should have been asked to Non-African descendent Rastas.
What I mean is that as African descent Rastas (or Black concious) it is NONE OF OUR BUSINESS to ask ourselves if a Non-African Rastas can truly be Rastas. Only YOU can answer this question. And yes, African descent Rastas are also here, on this forum, to spread some KNOWLEDGE of the History of the Movement (the roots that goes far from the day of coronation) since a lot of Non Africans haven't done research and haven't read books.
Do you overstand what I mean?

It is up to YOU to know your place. Don't expect us (African people) to tell you this or that.
What I mean is that only YOU have to know what you are looking for in a Black Movement, what are you looking for in an AFROCENTRIST Caribbean Culture? As an African descent woman, as a great grand-daughter of HAITIAN Neg' Maroons, I KNOW what I am looking for and why I want to become a RASTA Queen.
But I am not here to wonder if a Non-African descent person can claim truly 'Rastafari' without always having to step back. To be honnest, I don't care!
Everybody has to know if they are really constructing their own identity from their own roots, if they are just imitating, or if they are concious that they are identifying but know what they are talking about when they say 'RAS-ta' and know their place as Non African Rastas.

But, what I can tell you is to meditate on what Empressgong said:

Again non-afrakans have to understand WHAT THEY ARE NOT.

I think it sums up everything.

Concerning the role of Non-Africans concerning repatriation and reparations, I think they can support when asked and not take it upon themselves to lead. One has to acknowledge the correct order within the Movement. Becoz' only we, African descents, can govern our own affairs and decide for ourselves.
But once again, it's up to YOU to know what kind of help you can offer, knowing your place as a Non-African. I can't know it for you.

Are you with me so far Bro. Positive-Vibration?

I don't have time to develop more.
Paix et Amour. Valérie.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Positive_Vibration on June 27, 2005, 03:59:17 PM
Valerie - InI apologize if that question annoyed you. It was simply a question and I'd have accepted answers from anyone, but you yourself said many of the non-African Rastas had not done their proper reading, so what good would it be to pose my question toward a predominantly ignorant group?

Fiyah - Thank you for that.

InI give thanks for both your posts. Much has been learned.

One love
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: joeyb on June 27, 2005, 04:04:33 PM
Much wisdom seen - thanks to everyOne.

"It is up to YOU to know your place. Don't expect us (African people) to tell you this or that."

I agree 100% with this, it is up to me (non-African descent Rasta) to figure out my place and I am getting closer to that conclusion every day. But I'm not sure ALL Rastaman I have come across agree with you. Otherwise they would not tell me that I cannot be Rasta. Perhaps I am wrong here, any thoughts?

In my mind I am the nearest to Rasta I can be, because I struggle for justice - but I do not seek a return to Africa (I wasn't stolen from there): and I am apprehensive to adopt the sacred name of Rasta. In my heart, I am Jah's child: thus is my place. I am secure in this knowledge and will live under His guidance.

OneLove
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Positive_Vibration on June 27, 2005, 04:13:17 PM
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I agree 100% with this, it is up to me (non-African descent Rasta) to figure out my place and I am getting closer to that conclusion every day. But I'm not sure ALL Rastaman I have come across agree with you. Otherwise they would not tell me that I cannot be Rasta. Perhaps I am wrong here, any thoughts?


Much raspect.

What are you talking about bredren? Who said that you cannot be Rasta? Perhaps you should reason with these people, but regardlessly, the topic being discussed is the Role Of Non Africans In The Rasta Movement, which is the fight for justice and un-doing that instances of Babylon shitstory has done.

That point you made is a bit irrelevant to this concept.

One love
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: joeyb on June 27, 2005, 08:54:49 PM
Sorry for being so unclear - the words to express my thoughts wouldn't form in my mind.

I am talking about those who have said that 'Non-Africans have NO role in the Rasta movement.' I have spoken with I-dren who have said exactly this.
Excuse my obscurity.

OneLove
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: EmpressGong on June 28, 2005, 06:20:45 AM
Bless Up!!!!

I just want to give Ises for the Empresses coming out of the woodworks and posting on this thread. EZ I certainly do look forward to hearing from you sistren! Bless! Valerie..much love that we can reason here with the knowledge gained from diligently diggin into our past. It is indeed necessary for us to know where we come from to know where we stand now, and what/where we can be in the future.

Positive Vibration:
It is seen then, that much of the concept of Rastafari simply is not in the roots of non-African descendents.

I would ask you what is in Rastafari that is a part of the non-African descendants' roots that makes you say MUCH OF THE CONCEPT IS NOT IN THE ROOTS. underlining MUCH. Now I want you to think carefully about why you made this statement and give me the evidence that Rastafari Livity has something -even an inklin- to do with non-Afrakans. Im not sayin yea or neigh just testing u;) I also invite other elders and the well-read posse to give some insight on this too. not a bad thing to discuss briefly.

Secondly:My question then, my bredrens and my sistrens, is can a non-African descendent righteously and rightfully claim 'Rastafari' while taking a predominant stride? In different words, can a person of non-African roots truly claim 'Rastafari' without always having to take a step back?

I dont want to judge or say "this is what PV is saying" but I get this vibe that the white privilege is seeping out. becuz it made you ask this question "without having to take a step back" First I want to say it is high time that babylon step back becuz as Fiyah said, our people had to do it for years. I had to take a step back and let a white girl get in my cab becuz the cab driver refused to take the black girl home! TWICE.and im talkin about a month ago ok? not years ago. Moreover, I say NO and to step WAY WAY back and let us take care of our own! Let us reach out and say this is what help we need and how we want it when we are ready to make that connection! This is the way to break White supremacy down and this is the way to allow the broken to rebuild. But I would say take heed to the blacks to not abuse that power- should we ever gain it -with spite. It would be up to us to then really be righteous and not kick back the oppressor when we get the chance, so I wonder could we really do that and let go of all the animosity?

As for the part of the question that asks if you non-Africans could righteously and rightfully claim Rastafari? I dunno man...I think you can take the stride but "rightfully" and "righteously"? HOW WOULD YOU DO THAT? if you can answer this question then you will have your answer. KEEP IN MIND the example that EZ made, read up on what we all said to read up on first...the history, the economics, the politics before the coronation...the beginning. HOW? is it really even possible in this current global system? to that I say no.


I will continue in the next post as this is too long for one post!
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: EmpressGong on June 28, 2005, 06:25:49 AM
Third :
And then I ask - how righteous can the non-African Rasta truly be - if at the end of the much neccessary job, the return is being forever bound to the Babylonian land thats been fought against all along, of course until true peace and unsettlement is attained?

You said "at the end of the much necessary job"...I want to first say that in my heart I feel like some white rastas want think like they are doin the black community "a favour" by wanting to help and "becomin" a rasta too. while both race/economic groups have to change their livity drastically to live under Rasta's banner, the difference between us is that you cannot identify with racial downpression only class. class downpression is harsh becuz it robs one of the basics like education,food and shelter. so yea ethnically whites can feel class downpression but racially I would say no. they are UPPressed if you follow?

so yea you feel it is necessary to help the class downpression which you think leads to freein racial downpression, but is this realy true? are you really able to accomplish your necessary job if movin into the "black" community/territory/camp (whatever!!) can cause tension? We can all be poor but the black will suffer more than the white if the white has some access to power. so to answer your question no you wont be very righteous.and YES u will always be tied to your roots!!

BUT I also want to point out the important mistake you made. It is not the works of the white man/whoever to help the poor black man that should determine your righteousness. I feel as if doin us the favour will determine your (not you personaly PV) worth or identity as a Rasta. and if that is the case then you are seriously misguided. Jah Works is righteous.....praisin Jah, upholding Jah laws. love, raspect,loyalty, positivity,never-doubting the works and wonders of Creation are life's reward, purpose and pleasure. RIghteousness is something for all that exists outside the banner of Rastafari and if one is seeking that oneness, that spiritual connection, that upliftment then seek it with a clean heart, and stay away from the negative, but you do not have to call yourself a Rasta to do this! go work for the UN or something but realise that this Name this title of the Ancients is buried in something that manifests in black liberation and community works but those social aspects are not what define Rastafari completely.

It is good and always wonderful when the pure at heart can come together and love and be and reason as one..this is something I honestly believes happens when all walks of life come together as one under Rastafari...but still the holding of this title is something I cant take lightly and cant be thrown around. Even I as a Black woman do not always want to call myself by thisname simply becuz I cannot determine my own worth! Jah Guide!!!

I hope my responses were clear.I think we should always be wary of the boundaries that exist today to know how to work within or break the limits placed on us or the ones we place on ourselves...hmmm
EmpressGong
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: EmpressCarla on June 28, 2005, 01:52:22 PM
Positive_Vibration, I give thanks for your open-mindedness. The mere fact that you are asking questions rather than asserting your rights is progress, in my opinion. I think most of the misunderstanding that takes place is due to the assertion of some of their rights to this or that. As FiyahBun gave with the land example, yes all belongs to Jah. However, in the relative sense, the land is for those who have toiled for it, for those forcefully taken from it. As does Rastafari belong to those whose ancestors suffered for it. I don't think that means that non-Africans cannot be Rasta. For H.I.M. Haile Selassie I and Rasta livity are for all who embrace them. Yet it is imperative that the non-African Rasta overstand the roots.

We're talking about people who suffered and died just for the "right" to stand up and be counted. Rather than living on their knees in submission to a power structure that sought to do nothing but use them for its purposes, they struggled to stand for Jah's purposes. To proclaim their divinity when the world said they were sub-human. Can you even imagine such an existence?

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My question then, my bredrens and my sistrens, is can a non-African descendent righteously and rightfully claim 'Rastafari' while taking a predominant stride?

In different words, can a person of non-African roots truly claim 'Rastafari' without always having to take a step back?


I pose a question to you: Why is it you want to step forward within Rastafari? What can you offer the movement that cannot already be found? I have to say that I find your question problematic. How can you want to come into something in a "predominant stride"? It is this kind of zealousness without wisdom that causes apprehension and mistrust in the first place. Again, what can you offer the movement that is not already there? I don't mean to be insulting, but I would say that the best thing to do would be to step back. Take a back seat for a while, learn the history of the faith you have chosen to claim. What I'd like to see (and this is just my personal opinion), is for non-Africans to stop trying to say Rasta is this or Rasta is that to elder Rastas. Rather, go tell the ignorant of the world, the ones who blindly live under white privilege, the ones who are unjust, go tell them you want justice and equal rights for all...starting with the BLACK MAN! Can you do that? For perhaps that is how you can take your "predominant stride". Don't try to tell Rasta what your rights are. We know that already. Tell others what the rights of ALL are.

Yes, anyone has a "right" to move to Africa. But before you move, how 'bout you burn corruption wherever you are right now. For moving to Africa will do nothing for the justice of the downpressed. You simply become a white man in Africa. But what of those downpressed you left behind? Hmmm?

So do Jah works. That is all that is necessary. And if you don't know what that is, best look to Jah for the answers.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Positive_Vibration on June 28, 2005, 02:21:35 PM
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I would ask you what is in Rastafari that is a part of the non-African descendants' roots that makes you say MUCH OF THE CONCEPT IS NOT IN THE ROOTS. underlining MUCH. Now I want you to think carefully about why you made this statement and give me the evidence that Rastafari Livity has something -even an inklin- to do with non-Afrakans. Im not sayin yea or neigh just testing u;)


Seen sistren. And you're right, to do deal entirely with history, (which is very important to present times,) Rastafari is essentially not in non-African roots *at all.*

When InI claim Rastafari humbly InI am dealing with the I of Positive Vibration! Of Ras Jon. It is seen that my ancestors were nasty slave drivers and white supremecists. But InI cannot continue in this way! And am disgusted by this shitstory.

And so as far as what part of Rastafari Livity has to do with non-Africans...I'd say Rastafari *livity* is mainly for all. As livity is simply eating, being, conductucting yourself and living as Jah would and does want us to live.

And no, I was not trying to imply any sort of white rights and it is seen that the people that are being DOWNpressed to this very day must take the leading hand in their own UPrising.

When I claim Rastafari, I claim my love for Jah and my part of fighting in this struggle. Its my intent to break down white supremecy too! And in a slightly humbled down manner, it is my intent to fight for what it is right until Babylon and its wicked ways fall.

Raspect, sistren.

One love


Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Positive_Vibration on June 28, 2005, 02:33:13 PM
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Third :
And then I ask - how righteous can the non-African Rasta truly be - if at the end of the much neccessary job, the return is being forever bound to the Babylonian land thats been fought against all along, of course until true peace and unsettlement is attained?

You said "at the end of the much necessary job"...I want to first say that in my heart I feel like some white rastas want think like they are doin the black community "a favour" by wanting to help and "becomin" a rasta too. while both race/economic groups have to change their livity drastically to live under Rasta's banner, the difference between us is that you cannot identify with racial downpression only class. class downpression is harsh becuz it robs one of the basics like education,food and shelter. so yea ethnically whites can feel class downpression but racially I would say no. they are UPPressed if you follow?

so yea you feel it is necessary to help the class downpression which you think leads to freein racial downpression, but is this realy true? are you really able to accomplish your necessary job if movin into the "black" community/territory/camp (whatever!!) can cause tension? We can all be poor but the black will suffer more than the white if the white has some access to power. so to answer your question no you wont be very righteous.and YES u will always be tied to your roots!!

BUT I also want to point out the important mistake you made. It is not the works of the white man/whoever to help the poor black man that should determine your righteousness. I feel as if doin us the favour will determine your (not you personaly PV) worth or identity as a Rasta. and if that is the case then you are seriously misguided. Jah Works is righteous.....praisin Jah, upholding Jah laws. love, raspect,loyalty, positivity,never-doubting the works and wonders of Creation are life's reward, purpose and pleasure. RIghteousness is something for all that exists outside the banner of Rastafari and if one is seeking that oneness, that spiritual connection, that upliftment then seek it with a clean heart, and stay away from the negative, but you do not have to call yourself a Rasta to do this! go work for the UN or something but realise that this Name this title of the Ancients is buried in something that manifests in black liberation and community works but those social aspects are not what define Rastafari completely.

It is good and always wonderful when the pure at heart can come together and love and be and reason as one..this is something I honestly believes happens when all walks of life come together as one under Rastafari...but still the holding of this title is something I cant take lightly and cant be thrown around. Even I as a Black woman do not always want to call myself by thisname simply becuz I cannot determine my own worth! Jah Guide!!!

I hope my responses were clear.I think we should always be wary of the boundaries that exist today to know how to work within or break the limits placed on us or the ones we place on ourselves...hmmm
EmpressGong


Seen. By asking 'how righteously' I was basically questioning how much the non-African Rasta has to humble down in the movement of Rastafari, but all this and more has been answered.

I know and overstand that Rastafari and righteousness itsself is beyond helping the poor black, and its not at all a matter of Rasta identity. InI fight for justice, to end the white supremecy ect because whether you're Budhist, Muslim, Christian whatever ... its wrong.

And I know (and of course always continue learning as does everyone) what Rastafari is outside this one aspect, but I give thanks for that nonetheless.

Much thanks.

One love

Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Positive_Vibration on June 28, 2005, 02:43:47 PM
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Positive_Vibration, I give thanks for your open-mindedness. The mere fact that you are asking questions rather than asserting your rights is progress, in my opinion. I think most of the misunderstanding that takes place is due to the assertion of some of their rights to this or that. As FiyahBun gave with the land example, yes all belongs to Jah. However, in the relative sense, the land is for those who have toiled for it, for those forcefully taken from it. As does Rastafari belong to those whose ancestors suffered for it. I don't think that means that non-Africans cannot be Rasta. For H.I.M. Haile Selassie I and Rasta livity are for all who embrace them. Yet it is imperative that the non-African Rasta overstand the roots.

We're talking about people who suffered and died just for the "right" to stand up and be counted. Rather than living on their knees in submission to a power structure that sought to do nothing but use them for its purposes, they struggled to stand for Jah's purposes. To proclaim their divinity when the world said they were sub-human. Can you even imagine such an existence?


I pose a question to you: Why is it you want to step forward within Rastafari? What can you offer the movement that cannot already be found? I have to say that I find your question problematic. How can you want to come into something in a "predominant stride"? It is this kind of zealousness without wisdom that causes apprehension and mistrust in the first place. Again, what can you offer the movement that is not already there? I don't mean to be insulting, but I would say that the best thing to do would be to step back. Take a back seat for a while, learn the history of the faith you have chosen to claim. What I'd like to see (and this is just my personal opinion), is for non-Africans to stop trying to say Rasta is this or Rasta is that to elder Rastas. Rather, go tell the ignorant of the world, the ones who blindly live under white privilege, the ones who are unjust, go tell them you want justice and equal rights for all...starting with the BLACK MAN! Can you do that? For perhaps that is how you can take your "predominant stride". Don't try to tell Rasta what your rights are. We know that already. Tell others what the rights of ALL are.

Yes, anyone has a "right" to move to Africa. But before you move, how 'bout you burn corruption wherever you are right now. For moving to Africa will do nothing for the justice of the downpressed. You simply become a white man in Africa. But what of those downpressed you left behind? Hmmm?

So do Jah works. That is all that is necessary. And if you don't know what that is, best look to Jah for the answers.

Be blessed.


Seen.

InI was not trying to tell <i>anyone</i> what Rasta is, hence most of that post being in question form. It was a seek of guidance from the elders, as I apologize if it gave off any false vibes.

And yes, I know the equal rights and justice must start off for the Blackman. There is no doubt in my mind of that. InI was born in an upper-middle-class suburb where I have some very own peers that are or used to be racist. Of course I know the point is to break that down, and fully agree with the post that said in these times white people are only getting UPpressed, and regardless of my skin tone, I find this wrong and ridicules.

And its seen that the point is to take a step back and do what you can with the ignorant. This is what I do with my music. The only "forward-stepping" I meant would be breaking down the walls of Babylon, ect.

Seen about Africa also.

And yes, I know what the slaves and people of those times and even after those times went through. Of course not first-hand and I'm not claiming any expertise, but I've done research on these times and have a chunk of knowledge on this history, knowing full well how unbelivably brutal it was and how brave-hearted they were to stand up even when it could have meant death.

Much thanks, sistren. Thats a good post.

And InI know and overstand the importance of knowing and accepting your roots.

One love
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: ital on June 28, 2005, 03:06:03 PM
greetings,  are  none  african  people  not  the  creation  of  god  cant  they  choose  to  live  rightiously  as  well,  you  cant  blame  me  for  the  wrongs  that  other  black  men  do,  nither  can  you  blame  the  inocent  whiteman  for  what  the  bad  one  does,  not  every  whiteman  own  slaves  in  the  days  of  slavery  and  meny  die  trying  to  free  slaves  from  slavery  because  they  knew  that  it  was  wrong,  the  rasta  movement  is  about  equal  rights  and  justice  for  all  not  just  some,  and  you  dont  have  to  be  from  africa  to  take  part  in  the  fight  for  what  is  right,  dont  worry  too  much  about  white  racist  power  noting  last  forever  jah  will  take  care  of  them.  one  love  RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: EmpressCarla on June 28, 2005, 03:27:23 PM
ital, all throughout this thread, the discussion has been about white supremacy, not ALL white people being evil. So no one is blaming any individuals. Are you just reiterating that fact?

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dont  worry  too  much  about  white  racist  power  noting  last  forever  jah  will  take  care  of  them.  one  love  RASTAFARI

While it is true nothing lasts forever, are you saying ones should do nothing? Ignore the problem?

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Valerie on June 28, 2005, 03:50:41 PM
Greetings,

Ital, first of all, I think that nobody blame Non-Africans from what have been done in the past. You have maybe misoverstood what have been said in some posts, becoz' I don't think it was about blaming white people. Not at all. It is not becoz' we put on the table the past in relation with the roots of Rasta that we are blaming European people. Why do you pretend to be a victim? I don't overstand your statement?

And, you said:

the  rasta  movement  is  about  equal  rights  and  justice  for  all  not  just  some,  and  you  dont  have  to  be  from  africa  to  take  part  in  the  fight  for  what  is  right,

Yes, you are partially right. Yet, DON'T forget that the Rasta Movement recounts the plight of a specific people: African descent people and concerning reparation and repatriation, I repeat you have to be of African descent to claim it. Once again, what makes you think that Non-Africans have a claim concerning reparations/repatriation? They can be for justice. Ok. But the question is do they have a claim here?

I am talking about justice for African descendent Rastas(reparations/repatriations) since the thread raises this question.
We are not egocentric and we do know that Rasta is for justice for all, beginning with justice for African descendents people.
And yes, you don't have to be from Africa to fight for justice, of course. Nobody said the contrary.

You said:

dont  worry  too  much  about  white  racist  power  noting  last  forever  jah  will  take  care  of  them.

We have to worry about white racist power of course since Rasta is about fighting for justice, thus against white supremacy. Nothing las forever yes in condition that we fight against it. We cannot sit around, do nothing and say 'don't worry it won't last forever'. We have to make sure that we make our best to fight against it to make justice possible.

Paix et Amour. Valérie.

Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Jahman on June 28, 2005, 04:51:05 PM
Do you know what a African is or isn't? African is everyone.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Positive_Vibration on June 28, 2005, 09:05:33 PM
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Do you know what a African is or isn't? African is everyone.


My brother. I will not smite you because you're so new to this forum, but please, please, read back on a topic before you post.

Black Africans were raped and robbed from their very own land by Eurocentric slave drivers and scattered all over the world. This happen so severely that holy Africa is *still* in unrest and people of these roots are STILL not getting equal oppurtunity and justice.

Unless this applies to you directly, take a step back and put things in correct historical perspective. It is vital to a true overstanding of where you are coming from.

One love
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Speed on June 29, 2005, 01:42:55 AM
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give me the evidence that Rastafari Livity has something -even an inklin- to do with non-Afrakans


This suprises me...  Livity is the best way to praise Jah and if everyone abided by Ital Livity think of how much of a better place the world be.  Rasta Livity is living right, why would that only be for africans???

Gong you normally make such balanced threads but I feel you got a bit carried away.  Why can't non africans chant Rastafari? If HIM is Jah in the flesh then surely everyone should be chanting Jah Rastafari at the top of their voices

The problem with many institutionalised churches is that they get left in the dark ages and never really catch up with the times.  Would it make sense to still say Rasta = Repriatrition after all that has happened?  Gong, is your life unliveable in your current location, is it that unbearable that your sole wish is to return to Africa?  You can't say that repriatrition determines if someone is able to chant Rastafari (making it of such high importance) when alot of African Rastas don't wish to go back

I say Rasta is for all, if African Rastas want to go home then so be it.  I don't think non african Rastas should emmigrate, it doesn't make sense because Rasta is ROOTS & CULTURE.  Know where your from then you will know where you are going...

Rastafari helped free the souls of many a downtrodden people.  Why should this be restricted to one type of person? Just like why should all the wealth go to one type of person?

I don't think it is neccesarily about taking a step back, we should all be striving directly foward.  We should maybe do it at a walking pace instead of a sprinting pace though.  Take your time and learn the history.  If you really want to trod this path then you should automatically do your reading and meditate on it.  You shouldn't want to take someone elses words and blindly follow them.  Your not looking for two sentence replies; your looking for real ANSWERS.  You don't need to be a sheep.  The path for an African Rasta is a different path for the non African Rasta.  But both paths are paths of truth.   We all need to follow our own paths and not be stepping on anyone's toes! We'll get alot further quicker holding hands than sitting pon eachother's shoulders...
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: EmpressGong on June 29, 2005, 02:28:02 AM
Bless Up

See the thing is Speed, I dont think you really read what I was saying properly. you jumped the gun based on a sentence that you took out of context.did you ignore the part that said "im not saying yeah or  neigh just testing you" COME ON! You, as a matter of fact have disappointed me by twistin my words. I was tryin to slip in a little extra convo. In fact, some of the words in Dread-talk have Hindu influence as Jamaica is a very multicultural society.Fiyah Bun knows better than me so I would ask him to enlighten us.

I was never saying that Non-Afrakans should not embrace this livity, becuz this livity is laid -in all places - the Bible for most of the world to partake. And furthermore, the livity that Rastas strive for is in some ways not even as strict as OUR Khamitic ancestors of the Nile Valley! The Ma-atian Afrakans. Many of us same blacks dont realise what our first ancestors lived by. So by all means yea everyone praise the livity and be a part of it..it brings us closer to the healing of the nations.

You asked me if everyone should be chanting Jah Rastafari loudly becuz HIM is Jah in Flesh. Well Creation is Jah, so in my eyes we are all Jah in flesh, We should all be chanting thanks to the Creator for the Divinity of skin and the Spiritual Heights we are able to reach through Oneness. Understand however, Selassie was a liberator for who? Fighting against who? If you can answer this then you will know why it is odd for a white man to praise a black one. That is not what we are fightin for you know.this is not what we want the white man to do. many white rastas think that once they see the divinity of HIM then they should be rightly named a Rasta. But it goes deeper than that. We are talkin about a Black God serving as an example and leader for the Black Man. What I want to know is how does he set you free? What can he do for you or how do you site the importance of your roots and your existence through HIM!!!!!!!!!!!

I never said I want to repatriate to AFraka physically. I have spiritually gone back to my roots already, and my life has taken the full circle from Mama to the Diaspora. Afraka is not ready for repatriation becuz of the bad things goin on there. I love Barbados and dot intend to leave it permanently, It is unrealistic and undesirable for me. But the important thing for me to do is to join in the fight and liberation of Afraka from the global dominators..Same as any other Rasta.

You made an important comment that the trod of Fari for the nonafrakan is different Im not sure you said what that was? Care to enlighten as that is the whole point of this thread. Or is it just equal rights and justice for all?

Anyhow, I honestly believe that Righteouesness is for all becuz that is the way Jah intended it to be. Creation should be righteous as one and not separated by sin. I just stand my belief that Rastafari is specific to the Black race for the liberation of our people from a certain circumstance, but I would never say deny all of mankind the spiritual freedom that rightfully belongs to us all...Creation.

Nothing stays the same ital, that is true,but we have to fight for what is rightfully ours becuz FOR WAY TOO LONG things are being kept the same! and that is BAD

EmpressGong
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Speed on June 29, 2005, 03:10:10 AM
Nah, I agreed with alot of your points made, it's just the one I quoted that I didn't!

I agree with you that Jah is in us all and enshrouds everything.  I do not believe HIM is 'the saviour' of mankind.

Seen, on your point made as HIM being a black liberator, but ghandi was an Indian liberator and Moses liberated the Hebrews and I respect them all.  Surely if we are all divine then a liberator is nothing more than a prophet and the color of his skin has no relevance.  I give thanks to prophets from all around the world.  Do you need to be able to relate to the prophet so closely as even as far down to the color of their skin?

The job of the non african Rasta is the same as an African.  It's just the path taken in concern to ROOTS is different.  African Rastas need to pay hommage to their african ancestors and spiritually want to return home just like I respect my celtci roots.  My spirit lies in the Scottish mountains along with the mystic as does yours in Africa.  Do not forget the Scots were being tortured by them colonial ideals way before the Africans where.  My ancestors similar to yours, respected the land and all of creation.  Also, seeing as we are both striving for the same thing, doesn't this make us kinda similar?
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: ital on June 29, 2005, 04:32:06 AM
greetings,  all  iam  saying  is  rasta  is  for  all,  the  great  mojority  of  africans  dont  follow  RASTAFARI  anyway,  the  europian  had  african  as  slaves  but  the  mojority  of  these  slaves  was  sold  to  the  europian  by  the  africian  them  selves,  even  to  this  day   some  africans  are  still  selling  their  brothers,  i    did  not  know  that  rastas  was  dealing  with  a  black  god  empress  please  inlighten,  i  cannot  understand  how  a  whiteman  who  is  also  jah  creation  can  live  rightiously  yet  have  no  part  in   RASTAFARI.  one  love  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Speed on June 29, 2005, 09:36:30 AM
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Rasta's know each other by spirit. In other words it is a vibe that one feels when one see another Rasta that distinguishes who they are to each other. It is something deeper than just an external thing.


When I was walking the strete one day I saw this Rastaman walking with his head held high and this guy was righteous and conscious and you could see it and feel it... Inspiration!

Fiayh can you tell me what HIM is to you?  I have seen posts in the past where your views have differed so can you please tell me you believe?

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I would like to add that I feel personally insulted as Rasta when I see one claiming the title of Rastafari and then say HIM Haile Selassie I is nothing


Does this make The 12 Tribes non Rasta?

This is the only bit I don't get, I have so much trouble trying to work this one out, enlighten me!

Keep it easy
- Speed
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: ital on June 29, 2005, 02:54:01 PM
greetings,  the  question  is  the  role  of  none  african  in  rasta  movement,  if  you  do  not  think  that  there is any  role  for  the  none  african  please  explain  why  not,  this  post  is  your  post  fiyah  you  ask  the  question  so  what  do  you  really  think  yourself  is  there  any  role  for  the  man  who  is   none  african  in  the  movement  of  RASTAFARI,  i  answer  this  post  because  i  know  that  the  RASTAFARI  movement  is  for  all,  the  light  of  the  sun  is  not  just  for  africans  or  europians  but  for  all,  likewise  the  light  of  the  most  high  JAH  RASTAFARI  shines  not  just  for  some  but  for  all,  it  is  up  to  those  who  think  that  there  is  no  role  for  the  none  african,  to  explain  the  reason  why  they  think  the  way  that  they  do,  just  like  how  it  is  up  to  me  to  explain  as  an  african  decendant  an  a  RASTAMAN  why  i  know  that  there  is  a  role  in  RASTAFARI  for  everyone.  let  us  continue  to  reason  in  one  love  and  unity,  one  love  to  all  who  live  on  planet  earth  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: ital on June 29, 2005, 06:43:15 PM
greetings  fiyah,  so  what    role  does    the  none  african  have  within  the  movement  if  he  has  one  what  is  it,  and  if  he  has  no  role  why  not,  who  is  excluding  the  stranger  from  the  house  of  RASTAFARI,  bredrin  nither  you  are  any  elder  in  the  RASTAFARI  movement  can  tell  anyman  how  and  when  to  use  the  name  RASTAFARI,  NAMES  BELONG  TO  JAH,  jah  give  us  the  freedom  to  choose  how  we  want  to  use  names,  if  it  is  wrong  for  me  to  use  the  name  RASTAFARI  dont  worry  jah  will  surely  punish  me,  you  say  you  feel  hurt  when  one  like  myself  use  the  name  RASTAFARI  BUT  DONT  BELIEVE  IN  HIM,  well  sellassie  never  believe  in  RASTAFARI  do  you  feel  hurt  about  that,  he  follow  a  none  african  way  a  way  that  was  emported  into  africa  when  the  queen  of  sheba  went  to  isreal.  one  love  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Positive_Vibration on June 29, 2005, 07:01:30 PM
Fiyah -

I've got to give thanks for all the knowledge you maybe even subconsiously give I everyday. I may make a post one day and think its great, and then read your reasoning on this matter the next day and realize its outright foolish.

Just a couple months ago - one day I thought Selassie was simply a great man, by about a week later (from reasoning on this with you) I realized, saw, and felt that he and Jah were one and the same to the highest degree.

And so thank you once again. I've meditated upon this idea of it taking a village to grow a Rasta (I've heard 'it takes a village to grow a child' before) and this truly spoke to me.

Regardless of age, I've got to take a step back and continue reasoning with the elders here for a long while before I can correctly proclaim 'Rastafari' in a sensical manner.

And so I give thanks to you and all other wise people here, and hope you will continue to be here for further reasoning on the oncoming days. You've been a mentor of the most high and things are just getting started.

Endless love, raspect, and thanks

One
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: ital on June 30, 2005, 04:14:45 AM
greetings  fiyah,  the  name  that  i  use  to  address  the  creator  depends  on  who  iam  reasoning  with,  when  reasoning  with  rastas  i  use  the  name  RASTAFARI,  with  christians  i  use  the  name  god  with  muslims  i  use  allah,  like  i  say  before  these  are  all  names  for  the  one  creator,    and  it  is  really  up  to  me  to  use  any  of  these  names  it  is  not  a  crime  either  against  man  or  god,  maybe   if  i  was  not  a  jamaican  i  would  not  use  the  name  RASTAFARI,  and  even  thou  i  have  been  hearing  the  name  from  i  was  small  i  did  not  use  the  name  untill  i  understand  what  it  really  mean,  i  have  just  as  much  rights  like  anyother  african  to  claim  the  name  RASTAFARI,  as  an  african  iam  saying  to  none  africans,  RASTAFARI  is  for  all  those  who  choose  to  live  good,  it  is  babylon  that  as  brain  wash  people  into  thinking  that  they  are  africans  and  europians  and  that  they  come  from  different  countries,  there  is  only  one  country  it  call  earth,  and  there  is  only  one  people,  the  world  is  full  of  temptation  the  racist  power  that  is    ruleing  earth  is  a  temptaion  to  us,  it  can  bring  out  the  worst  in  us,  if  i  had  the  power  i  would  stop  all  this  evil  racist  power  thing  that  is  going  on  here  on  earth,  jah  has  got  the  power  yet  jah  dont  stop  it,  jah  new  it  was  going  to  happen  before  it  happen  but  still  let  it  happen  because  jah  knows  that  we  must  meet  these  temptation  and  defeat  them  we  cant  hide  from  them,  iam  a  blackman  so  i  know    about  prejudice,  not  only  know  about  it  but  feel  it  as  well, at  the  end  of  the  day  it  does  not  really  matter  how  powerful  are  clever  the  racist  person  think  that  they  are,  the  fact  is  from  your  thinking  in  terms  of  race  babylon  has  got  you,  dont  forget  the  devil  is  the  master  of  disguise.  one  love  RASTAFARI  
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: ital on June 30, 2005, 06:14:52 PM
greetings  fiyah,  how  can  one  find  the  truth  and  then  make  mistakes  or  only  see  half  truths,  iam  not  ignoring  the  division  amongst  earth  people,  but  iam  saying  that  the  division  that  exsist  is  not  real  it  is  all  part  of  bablyon  plan  to  divide  and  rule,  no  one  can  know  truth  who  is  not  willing  to  lay  down  their  life  for  what  is  right,  and  no  rightious  man  can  ignore  the  suffering  of  his  brothers  and  sisters  on  earth,  give  unto  cesar  what  is  cesar  evil  has  been  going  on  before  you  was  born  and  it  will  be  going  on  after  you  die,  one  love  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: InI_Scott on June 30, 2005, 09:28:37 PM
Fiyah & ital,

Thank you both for this reasoning.  I don't want to interrupt, but is there anyway we could take some parts of this discussion into another topic?

For example, the discussion of "knowing the One" is only step 1 in the process.  Also, Fiyah, you stated this a while back:
"Rasta's know each other by spirit. In other words it is a vibe that one feels when one see another Rasta that distinguishes who they are to each other. It is something deeper than just an external thing. Also this is usually a process of years that one develops into this. It is usually years of reasoning amongst elders and searching within oneself before one is able to reach the higher consciousness of bearing the title of Rasta."

I had some reasoning lately with a Non African Rasta and felt an amazing energy engulf me at the end of our short interaction.  I am to the point where i need to find a mentor--too many questions in i mind that have me all twisted around.  I wonder if the next step is to seek out others in the community that have attained higher consciousness.  I'm ready to take the fear out of my heart.

Let me know if you are interested in continuing these topics elsewhere.

Thanks again everyone!
One Love
Scott
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: ital on July 01, 2005, 05:12:38 AM
greetings  fiyah,  if  one  was  not  seeking  justice  in  this  earthly  life  one  would  not  discover  the  highest  truth,  anyman  who  discover  the  highest  truth  becomes  a  free  man,  free  from  hate  greed  lust  and  all  manner  of  vanity  that  stop  one  knowing  the  truth,  the  man  who  knows  the  truth  can  see  both  sides  the  good  and  the  bad,  i  never  just  get  up  one  day  and  start  talking  about  truth,  if  we  could  meet  face  to  face  and  i  tell  you  of  all  the  suffering,  abuse,  mocking  been  call  a  mad  man  and  a  nutter,  all  because  i  make  a  change,  when  i  was  a  drinker  and  a  womaniser  and  gambler  no  one  say  that  i  was  mad,  when  i  stop  those  things  and  start  to  tell  people  that  things  like  those  are  wrong  that  is  when  they  class  me  as  mad,  so  i  went  trough  nough  suffering    to  reach  an  understanding  of  truth,  there  is  no  division  in  truth,  from  you  discover  the  christ  within  you  understand  how  man  should  live,  man  problem  is  this  he  has  turn  his  back  on  the  laws  of  god  ignoring  the  voice  of  the  inner  christ.  one  love  to  all  RASTAFARI.  brother  scot  we  can  reason  any  time  just  start  a  tread  and  i  will  likk  up.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: A.M. on July 01, 2005, 06:08:49 AM
I just wanted to say that I have been studying the Rastafarian Religion for some time now (i.e. The Old Testament transcribed from The original  Hebrew and Greek translations to  The Kebra Negast and the Solominic Line, as well as studying the Life and Experiences of Haile Selassie I) and I truly believe Haile Selassie as being the reincarnated spirit of "The Lion" the final incarnation Including Moses, David and Christ. It was proved in official Ethiopian Documentation that Selassie was of the Davidic/Solominic line, and one can't help but deny the black/non-black similarities to images of The Christ which clearly ( even the Shroud of Turin ) resemble a man Who is the Descendent of Ethiopian/Judaic Descent. Who else that has ever existed in time can claim descent from biblical times?!?Why was this man not more closely revered or Proclaimed? Because... of the poisining not of just Religion in general by war-hungry White Men and Spanish Conquistadors ( The true Babbylonians ) but of lands and cultures, Spreading forth a "NEW TESTAMENT" that was sinful and evil and never even intended by christ himself. Yes, it's true! One educated in the religions can clearly adequate that the Book of Matthew which details Christ's life, was originally intended to be the last Book of The Complete Erroneous Bible!The rest was incited and published many years later to make man Once more fearful and reverent as once in Moses's time. The New testament is compiled of Greek Scriptures, GREECE NOT BEING THE ORIGIN OF MAN. THE earliest found remains of Modern man were found in Africa, Hence We all Originated in Africa and were spread apart into more cultures/Lands from the original RACES/CULTURES through DIVINE PLAN. Many religions preach that Racial Unity must be reached for Utopia or Heaven to exist as it was in the beginning: This is quite a simple concept. Furthermore I do not deny the ideaology of a white rasta despite what The Bobo Shanti sect or misinterpreters of "The Holy Piby" might suggest. Such ideaology is ignorant and harmful not only to the Rastafarian People as peace- living, Jah loving I-men in Inity,but harmful to the Movement as a "WHOLE, because the FUTURE of The Rastafarian Religion/Movement has been struggling in Jamaica and elsewhere in the world to find social acceptance and Political recognition.Such acceptance can never come if sects of Rastas such as The Bobo-Shanti cannot equivicate that resorting to the evil ideaologies of racism or separitism in any form cannot be Beneficial to having a Political Stance on the World Stage ,since the root of such(racist theology) is originally spirited from "the evil one" Selassie himself stated that "until the color of a man's was no more significant than his skin color" that unity of NO nations could ever exist. I am a dreadlocked man and I praise Jah through forms of music, namely recreating dubs/ samples of roots rock and ragga with sound samples that profess his name. For Exodus 15:2 reads that " My lord is Jah, and he is my strength..."  I get so much flak for appearing white and having dreads. My descent is American-Indian (Wintun) , Nicaraguan , Mexican and who knows I am a mutt but nonetheless a child of the I-Jah. I quite often get " who Put those dreads in your hair" when in reality I just let my hairs go unkempt until they knotted. I didn't apply any product or nothing like that. Whenever I am floored by an ignorant statement I let people know The Christ was dreaded if he lived the way he did, and The Old testament reminds us our bodies are our temples and the hair should be uncut and unkempt, and that we should not mark upon our bodies, countless diehard rastas have I met who have tattoos and such, but Jah tells us not to be judgemental so I won't comment to much more. I guess my overall message is Find Jah, be weary of the origin of man and the origins of present day scripture, Praise Moses, Christ, and Selassie I alike and be weary of him origin for him was "The Lion Spirit ( Holy Spirit to the babbylonians )  of Christ" the only living embodiment we will ever know until all forms return at the Last Conflict of our World.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: ital on July 01, 2005, 09:08:25 PM
greetings  fiyah,  i  know  that  you  did  not  say  there  is  division  in  thuth, i  was  making  the  statement  my  self,  the  highest  truth  i  know  is  that  jah  is  within  and  jah  is  truth  once  you  find  the  truth  within  there  is  no  higher  truth,  our  disagreement  is  this  you  believe  selassie  is  jah,  but  i  dont  so  we  are  bound  to  see  things  differently,  you  are  right  when  you  say  one  should  know  the  christ  within,  but  the  christ  within  is  not  selassie,  the  christ  is  within  all  including  jesus  and  selassie,  it  is  this  very  christ  within  that  you  advice  one  to  awake  to  that  iam  reasoning  about  there  can  only  be  one  master  and  for  me  that  is  the  one  that  dwell  within  so  when  i  man  reason  iam  reasoning  from  the  point  of  view  of  the  one  that  dwell  within,  and  like  i  say  before  you  cant  get  higher  than  that  one,  i  could  not  but  my  faith  in  a  next  man  no  matter  who  the  man  is,   dont  get  me  wrong  i  respect  all  men  who  strive  to  live  a  good  life,  but  to  me  every  man  is  my  brother  weather  they  are  call  selassie  or  jesus  or  tom  and  john,  i  will  finish  by  saying  that  nither  jesus  or  selassie  claim  to  be  god  or  make  any  claim  to  be  special,  it  is  others  that  make  these  claims  in  their  name,  they  themselves  would  never  ever  agree  with  the  claim  that  their  followers  make  on  their  behalf.  one  love  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: A.M. on July 02, 2005, 01:11:30 AM
Greetings Fiyahbun,

                          Good point on my last post, I guess it's hard to walk in The Bobo-Shanti man shoes from way over here, I DO as well believe their fight is their own, and I DO NOt support any occupation of Land or Political Office by the Unjust. And to Ital... not a pot shot at you, but alot of Reggae Music helped spread the message of Inity to Black, white and Yellow man alike who would have never been exposed to The word of I Jah. Alot of early reggae and dancehall contain many modern man prophet man, for they exposed the word of jah such as it proclaims in The Old Testament ( music in Psalms )and The Glory of the Kings. These artists were not afraid to be dreadlocked even though the vast Majority of Jamaica was not Rastafari, even though those to which the music would reach may not approve of the message. They spoke of Peace Inity Love and word of Jah. Praise MUST include music... and Jah bless artists like  Michael Prophet for bringing the lord Jah's message with tough rugged riddim, non-cheesy non- preachy non evangelical. Sorry to stray from the overall message. Just saying that's all.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: A.M. on July 02, 2005, 07:09:26 AM
I hope I'm not making any T.O.S. violations but I got your message (Saadon) but I am unable to reply until I have reached a meager ten posts... I will shed more light on the subject you asked at http://www.geocities.com/rootsradic420/


                                                         
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: ital on July 02, 2005, 09:28:03 AM
bredrin   A.M. i  think  all  of  your  reasoning  is  addressing  what  fiyah  said,  i  did  not  mention  music  in  any  of  my  reasoning  please  read  all  the  post  on  this  subject  again  you  will  see  that  you  have  made  a  honest  mistake  no  offence  taken,  empressgong  where  are  you, did  you  not  imply  that  jah  was  black  in  an  earlier  post  i  was  hopeing  you  would  explane  how  you  come  to  this  understanding,  you  have  a  way  of  running  away  from  reasoning  when  someone  else  disagree  with  your  point  of  view,  when  you  make  statement  like  that  you  should  stand  and  deffend  them,  what  do  you  think  fiyah  or  did  you  not  read  the  gong  post,  and  empress  dont  take  any  offence  you  make  a  statement  and  iam  asking  for  explaination.  one  love  to  all  who  live  on  planet  earth  RASTAFARI.  
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Ras Saadon on July 02, 2005, 10:53:49 AM
Irie bredren A.M..
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: ital on July 02, 2005, 09:32:16 PM
you  are  right  fiyah  we  are  straying  from  the  topic  of  this  tread  so  lets  get  back  to  it,   what  role if  any  has  the  none  african  got  within  rastafari,  if  he  has  a  role  what  is  it  if  you  know  the  role  of  the  none  african  can  you  explain  it  to  him,  about  god  been  black  i  will  start  a  new  tread  fiyah  we  can  reason  about  that  on  that  tread  one  love  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: A.M. on July 03, 2005, 04:22:38 AM
Ital, & Fiyah sorry to stray from the subjects at hand I misread the quote about the music and all. Thanks for being understanding I tried to not sound so hostile. I have come to the conclusion that The Christ skin was remnant of either Egyptian or Judaic a descent therefore anyone living in the time era practicing such radical theologies, and being amongst lepers, the poor etc. etc., especially a carpenter who worked in the sun ( not a fat white king's job ) in the desert heat skin would be Black or very sunweathered like a shaman or Hindu, and the hair would be unkempt and probably dreaded, as the Shroud of Turin adequately depicts. I also have come to the conclusion through Scripture(s) that state of a Messiah with" hair like wool", and from a non-religious perspective , being that (geographically) the earliest remnants of Modern man were found on/in the continent of Africa. This fact not only INCREASES my faith, but should stir up many questions among Creationist/ and Evolutionist, because the origin of early man would help one gain much Scientific and Religious insight on The first books of the bible and man's role in relation to Jah. I hope to stress a little more insight ( including Historical, Biblical and Political references ) on my sight which is underworks but a comment box is up for any wanting to spark up a new topic. I will collectively use information from The Old Testament,the book of Matthew - the first book of the New testament and why it has been speculated that this should have been the last book of the Old Test.- The Kebra Negast , The original Aramaic, scriptures later translated into Greece all the way down to the translation into the bible reducing the Aramaic references of the name of Jah, Yahweh  from 6,283 references to what is now only some 20-100 references (depending on what version of the bible you may have) to the reincarnated "Lion" spirit ( see white man's Holy Ghost ) through the Davidic/Solominic bloodlines from Melanik I & II... to Haile Selassie I's ( 'im last representation until the end of days ) birth and circumstances surrounding his (death)"ascention to the sky." Keep an eye out I hope to raise some brows with a radical new theories compiled from our history as a race of people that were seperated into different races through I-jah's plan and why. Jah bless  you all Ital, Saadon and Fiyahbun for helping in many ways to "smash" the Babbylonian religious theory that went awry somewhere in time.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: A.M. on July 03, 2005, 06:00:15 AM
http://www.geocities.com/rootsradic420/             Click on the link I  have started to spread the word.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: ital on July 03, 2005, 01:22:31 PM
bredrin  A.M.  it  is  my  opinion  that  as  african  we  did  not  deal  with  written  history,  but  oral  history  we  always  know  the  truth  we  did  not  have  to  read  about,  and  if  you  did  not  know  it  you  could  always  go  and  learn  it  from  someone  who  did,  written  history  is  not  my  story  but  HIS  STORY,  they  it  is  that  bring  the  book  to  africa  trying  to  teach  me  HIS  STORY,  claming  that  they  are  spreding  the  word  of  god,  but  the  word  of  god  is  everywhere  alredy, look  at  africa  today  every  one  is  either  christian  or  muslim  forces  from  outside  who  come  to  africa,  with  the  name  of  god  but  with  the  devil  in  their  hearts,  they  teach  us  that  the  truth  is  to  be  found  in  their  koran  and  bible  and  like  fools  most  of  us  believe  them,  but  there  are  others  that  know  that  truth  is  within  man,  you  dont  have  to  be  able  to  read  to  know  truth,  even  if  you  have  never  seen  any  bible  or  koran  or  anyother  holy  book  you  can  still  know  truth  because  it  is  within,  so  as  an  african  i  will  stand  up  for  my  rights  to  reject    those  who  claim  that  they  are  spreding  the  word  of  god  using  a  book,  you  should  know  yourself,  and  yourself  is  not  a  book.  one  love  to  all  who  seek  the  truth  and  noting  but  the  truth  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Star on July 04, 2005, 11:13:41 PM
This is my first post, and I am White if you must call be that, my relatives fought for the south, in fact I am closely related to both Lee and Davis, but that does not make me them.

I'm not sure about alot of what I read here, people arguing about who can go live where.  The last time the world got together and gave a group of people their own nation it caused nothing but problems.  Israel is still fighting the people that they kicked out (Palastine), and this is the main source of most muslim terror movements.

We need to learn to live as one, no borders no colors, everyone helps their fellow man.  Congregating all 'africans' together and saying 'this is our country' is just putting a human label on gods land.  Until we al learn that nothing is ours we are doomed.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Positive_Vibration on July 05, 2005, 09:00:28 PM
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This is my first post, and I am White if you must call be that, my relatives fought for the south, in fact I am closely related to both Lee and Davis, but that does not make me them.

I'm not sure about alot of what I read here, people arguing about who can go live where.  The last time the world got together and gave a group of people their own nation it caused nothing but problems.  Israel is still fighting the people that they kicked out (Palastine), and this is the main source of most muslim terror movements.

We need to learn to live as one, no borders no colors, everyone helps their fellow man.  Congregating all 'africans' together and saying 'this is our country' is just putting a human label on gods land.  Until we al learn that nothing is ours we are doomed.


Excellent point however, one must put things in correct historIcal perspective and in order for proper justice, the wrongs that have trailed on through history and right up to today must be corrected, first with the people that to this day face tribulation.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: paco on July 06, 2005, 02:35:34 AM
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bredrin  A.M.  it  is  my  opinion  that  as  african  we  did  not  deal  with  written  history,  but  oral  history  we  always  know  the  truth  we  did  not  have  to  read  about,  and  if  you  did  not  know  it  you  could  always  go  and  learn  it  from  someone  who  did,  written  history  is  not  my  story  but  HIS  STORY,  they  it  is  that  bring  the  book  to  africa  trying  to  teach  me  HIS  STORY,  claming  that  they  are  spreding  the  word  of  god,  but  the  word  of  god  is  everywhere  alredy, look  at  africa  today  every  one  is  either  christian  or  muslim  forces  from  outside  who  come  to  africa,  with  the  name  of  god  but  with  the  devil  in  their  hearts,  they  teach  us  that  the  truth  is  to  be  found  in  their  koran  and  bible  and  like  fools  most  of  us  believe  them,  but  there  are  others  that  know  that  truth  is  within  man,  you  dont  have  to  be  able  to  read  to  know  truth,  even  if  you  have  never  seen  any  bible  or  koran  or  anyother  holy  book  you  can  still  know  truth  because  it  is  within,  so  as  an  african  i  will  stand  up  for  my  rights  to  reject    those  who  claim  that  they  are  spreding  the  word  of  god  using  a  book,  you  should  know  yourself,  and  yourself  is  not  a  book.  one  love  to  all  who  seek  the  truth  and  noting  but  the  truth  RASTAFARI.





































                   ital, i cite this with you-- i resonate with tha i on this one!

nothing greater nothing lesser, paco [smiley=smiley.gif]
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Positive_Vibration on July 07, 2005, 07:03:36 AM
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bredrin  A.M.  it  is  my  opinion  that  as  african  we  did  not  deal  with  written  history,  but  oral  history  we  always  know  the  truth  we  did  not  have  to  read  about,  and  if  you  did  not  know  it  you  could  always  go  and  learn  it  from  someone  who  did,  written  history  is  not  my  story  but  HIS  STORY,  they  it  is  that  bring  the  book  to  africa  trying  to  teach  me  HIS  STORY,  claming  that  they  are  spreding  the  word  of  god,  but  the  word  of  god  is  everywhere  alredy, look  at  africa  today  every  one  is  either  christian  or  muslim  forces  from  outside  who  come  to  africa,  with  the  name  of  god  but  with  the  devil  in  their  hearts,  they  teach  us  that  the  truth  is  to  be  found  in  their  koran  and  bible  and  like  fools  most  of  us  believe  them,  but  there  are  others  that  know  that  truth  is  within  man,  you  dont  have  to  be  able  to  read  to  know  truth,  even  if  you  have  never  seen  any  bible  or  koran  or  anyother  holy  book  you  can  still  know  truth  because  it  is  within,  so  as  an  african  i  will  stand  up  for  my  rights  to  reject    those  who  claim  that  they  are  spreding  the  word  of  god  using  a  book,  you  should  know  yourself,  and  yourself  is  not  a  book.  one  love  to  all  who  seek  the  truth  and  noting  but  the  truth  RASTAFARI.


Seen and agreed. InI give thanks
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: ital on July 07, 2005, 04:30:40 PM
greetings,  even  thou  we  were  sold  in  to  slavery  by  our  brothers,  just  like  how  they  claim  that  joseph  brothers  sold  him  into  slavery,  and  strip  of  all  that  we  had  they  still  never  manage  to  break  IandI  spirit,  iam  not  saying  education  is  a  bad  thing,  but  we  dont  need  to  have  education  to  know  jah,  we  as  african  knew  this  long  before  education  in  the  form  of  reading  and  writing  develop  in  human  society,  once  one  discover  the  truth  within  one  discover  balance,  it  is  not  reading  and  writing  that  give  one  balance,  but  striveing  to  live  good  with  the  people  that  you  meet  in  your  life,  an  the  number  one  thing  listen  to  our  own  conscience,  no  man  that  try  to  live  by  the  ways  of  his  own  conscience  can    ever  be  an  ignorant  man,  there  is  noting  ignorant  about  conscience,  an  there  is  noting  ignorant  about  those  who  choose  to  follow  the  ways  of  their  own  conscience,  i  dont  have  a  lot  of  education  but  iam  not  makeing  any  excuse  for  that,  in  fact  iam  glad  that  i  personally  lack  certian  education  because  i  did  not  get  the  chance  to  go  to  school  regualrly,  there  are  to  menny  educated  fools,  they  are  drunk  on  education  they  believe  it  can  bring  balance  in  their  life  but  it  cant,  only  when  one  know  their  own  self  first,  will  one  be  able  to  use  education  in  a  balance  way.  one  love  to  laa  who  live  on  planet  earth  RASTAFARI.    
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: A.M. on July 08, 2005, 01:00:44 AM
Ital and Fiya you have only proved your ignorance. The Bible and Koran and every text you cited are the only texts in existence that have changed very little since their original publications. Languages and meanings may have been lost in translations but this does not afffect the book(s) as a whole. It seems to me ( and I drop Mi sleng after this one ) Ital and Fiyahbun that you HIDE behind the slang and slander a man- who is your bredren for having feeling in a belief that spread many men many fait' many nation- because you feel you have been "OUT-THEORIZED" when I'm trying to teach a man for his own knowledge, fi let a man do HIS OWN soul searching. True "His Story" is evil when you come to view it through the term "History" which only refers to the history of the world as seen and changed by the white man in history/scholastic texts and publications. But these who have done this are NATIONALISTS- true many wars have been fought over religion - and the Bible , The Greek scriptures, Hebrew- Aramaic, Kebra, dead sea scrolls etc. etc. , that are staple for Catholic/ and Christian Nationalists who MOLD religion are still part of the Hebrew account which details the origin of the continent of Africa and it's bloodline through Davidic/Solominic line, because doubt you not, MenelikI WAS the son of Bat'sheba and Solomon it IS WRITTEN. A follower and true believer of Haile Selassie, and a TRUE rastafari could never doubt The word of Jah. One must even wonder WHY Selassie himself  was a follower of CHRIST ( not christianity i.e. see his 2 U.N. addresses) even though he had a following and could have started his own faith on the spot... ( in reference to H.I.M.'s vivit to Jamaica )... but he didn't...because he was a Man of real faith and a believer of the I-Jah king of King and an incarnation of the Lord of Lords Spirit, THe Lion.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Jah_Prophet_I_Man on July 08, 2005, 01:18:02 AM
Ok here are the misconceptions InI see here in this post. First of all I see it written that Africans were TAKEN from Africa as slaves. This is historically incorrect. Anyone who has studied the situation would know the truth of the matter. Yes White men sold and owned slaves, but it was other, stronger African tribes who captures warriors from enemy tribes and sold them to the white man. Many Africans became wealthy off of slavery as well. Thats not to take the blame off of anyone and place it on anyone else. It is too place the blame on all man kind for not seeing his brothers worth. Let the sins of mankind be called as they are. Sight?
Also too many young black men blow wind talking about a return to the holy land of Africa. First of all Africa is NOT the holy land, it is land like any other. This Earth is the holy land of Jah. This Earth is the garden of Eden given to mankind by Jah almighty. Yes brothers and sisters open your eyes and hearts to the truth of Jah's love, all the Earth is Zion, and all the Earth is Babylon. It all depends on the heart behind the eyes looking at the situation. Sight? Live up.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Jah_Prophet_I_Man on July 08, 2005, 04:40:01 PM
Do misunderstand my words. I say africa ALONE is not the holy land. ALL the earth is Jahs footstool and is holy because it is the creation of Jah. Sight?
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: ital on July 11, 2005, 05:28:12 AM
greetings  prophet,  read  all  the  post  on  this  tred  again  you  will  probley  find  out  that  there  is  no  misconceptions  going  on  here,  because  we  alredy  mention  thah  it  was  some  of  our  fellow  africans  that  sold  us  to  the  europians,  so  the  misconception  that  is  going  on  is  in  your  own  mind  one  love  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: msgal on July 12, 2005, 03:03:59 AM
Seen Fiyah,
true true Ises to Jah for your vision.

bless
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: ital on July 12, 2005, 01:36:29 PM
greetings,  as  a  blackman  iam  aware  of  all  the  injustice  that  the  black  man  has  suffer  in  the  past  and  continue  to  suffer  in  this  time,  jah  know  that  i  would  face  all  these  difficulties  in  my  life  he  got  the  power  to  make  life  perfect  without  any  injustice  so  if  jah  let  me  face  all  these  injustice  it  must  be  for  a  good  reason,  it  is  trough  fighting  for  justice  that  one  over  come  injustice,  if  you  hate  the  injustice  that  you  find  in  life,  that  hate  will  blind  your  better  understanding,  one  have  to  learn  how  to  love  justice,  so  that  one  can  fight  against  injustice,  we  cannot  fight  against  injustice  in  this  world  with  guns  and  bombs  those  who  fight  against  injustice  in  this  world  using  guns  and  bombs  do  not  understand  justice,  i  know  that  injustice  is  behaveing  bad  and  that  we  must  fight  against  this  tyrant  call  ingustice,  but  we  cannot  fight  injustice  with  injustice,  the  antedote  for  injustice  is  justice,  the  man  who  is  fighting  for  justice  is  doing  so  not  only  for  himself  but  for  every  one  else  bucause  justice  is  for  all,  the  man  of  justice  dont  neen  guns  and  bombs  to  fight  against  injustice,  his  bombs  and  bullits  are  the  words  that  cometh  from  his  mouth,  he  shoot  people  but  only  with  the  words  of  truth,  as  a  rastaman  in  this  time  it  is  my  duety  to  let  people  know  that  even  thou  injustice  is  all  around,  in  fact  injustice  rule  this  planet,  there  is  a  cure  for  injustice  its  call  justice,  one  love  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Regdan on October 18, 2005, 02:17:07 AM
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I see the question, however, for me at least - its not true.

As I've said, InI am DISGUSTED by white history.

Yes, they left the land, yes, they raped the people, yes, they tried to destroy and opress culture. But I don't feel that just because they left Africa to live in Europe and the Americas that this is where I am chained to and must live.

If I could back to those times with I mind, I'd be willing, in one second, to sacrifice my life for any African slave with one blow.

One love


I see what you are saying, but is that really truthful? I mean, how come you do not save any other man that trots on the street? A bum, for example, one that needs particular help and guidance.

I would help anyone in need, I think that is more proper. Otherwise, it sounds to politically correct to me. Feel free to disagree.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Positive_Vibration on October 18, 2005, 02:22:37 AM
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I see what you are saying, but is that really truthful? I mean, how come you do not save any other man that trots on the street? A bum, for example, one that needs particular help and guidance.

I would help anyone in need, I think that is more proper. Otherwise, it sounds to politically correct to me. Feel free to disagree.


I've got to say I stand firm to what I said. A 'bum' in the wealthy suburbs of InI area is more prone to have mental illness then anything, and most if not all are served weekly at the soup kitchen, where I've helped out many times.

Also to bring this to modern times - it is my mission to put forth effort/progress in the world's struggle through music, (word, sound, and power.)

If my Earthly brother was in literal shackles and being bought, robbed, and raped wholesale though - yes, I'd die for his or her freedom with no consideration.

One love
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Regdan on October 18, 2005, 02:29:30 AM
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I've got to say I stand firm to what I said. A 'bum' in the wealthy suburbs of InI area is more prone to have mental illness then anything, and most if not all are served weekly at the soup kitchen, where I've helped out many times.

Also to bring this to modern times - it is my mission to put forth effort/progress in the world's struggle through music, (word, sound, and power.)

If my Earthly brother was in literal shackles and being bought, robbed, and raped wholesale though - yes, I'd die for his or her freedom with no consideration.

One love


Wealthy suburbs, something I did not say. I have lived in the ghetto, I have lived in many ratty areas. It is not something that merits any describing. Bums were often killed because they were in the way of a drug deal, all because they didn't pay taxes. Suffered mental from some type oof illness. That is not justice, I would try and help them. But to be honest, I don't know if I could risk my life for them. Not self conceited, it could be fear. I think it is one of those, 'have to be there' situations. Otherwise, you can't ever really know.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Soul-Jah on October 18, 2005, 05:21:54 PM
all i can say is when the shit hits the fan i wont stand in front or behind my african brothers but side by side anything else is just ego driven politricks ,and ill put that on my life word is bond

peace and love
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Positive_Vibration on October 18, 2005, 07:19:48 PM
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Wealthy suburbs, something I did not say. I have lived in the ghetto, I have lived in many ratty areas. It is not something that merits any describing. Bums were often killed because they were in the way of a drug deal, all because they didn't pay taxes. Suffered mental from some type oof illness. That is not justice, I would try and help them. But to be honest, I don't know if I could risk my life for them. Not self conceited, it could be fear. I think it is one of those, 'have to be there' situations. Otherwise, you can't ever really know.



Greetings and peace

The 'wealthy suburbs' bit was just me taking it to the small scale I was born into. I do fight for the sufferers of inequity and tribulation everyday through music. This is the struggle of the world, this is the struggle of Rastafari.

Again the example on the extent of slavery was rather literal. I've visited the ghettos of Harlem and if anything, the seen tribulation is further inspiration to move forward in the fight. Death would be no choice for the righteous person. All I was saying was that with Jah love in I heart, if the situation called for it, no matter what it be, in the name of equal rights and liberty, I would deliever.

One love
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Regdan on October 18, 2005, 10:43:26 PM
Now that is better. A more honest and less politically polluted answer, seriously.

If it comes the time, honestly. My brain would want to react, to help. Truthfully, I am very confident I would help anyone in need and I do. To this very day, but if it involves dire consequences fear may strike me dead first. At least, my mind will live full with the reacting thought of at least wanting and attempting to help.

Bless the father.

P.S. Nice entry soul-jah.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: missmissytaj on October 22, 2005, 04:58:59 AM
Now I kno I might get a lot of grief fi dis but I was taught dat there is noh such thing as a NON-AFRICAN(seeing dat all life started in beautiful Afrika) but may b I wrong any ones an ones care to In lighten I?
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: EveryLove on July 28, 2006, 02:02:23 PM
Bless to all you of good heart!! i myself am White european, I am born and raised in England, but when I look into Iself deep, I sees not someone born out of European history, but out of Africa.  I's mind took me back there for 6 months 2 years ago, to Tanzania, and I again felt immediately back home.  Now I am in England again, and struggling to live amongst those who not understand.  those who laugh at I's clothing, and I's choice of life.  i refuse to work in babylon, I refuse to play the games of such people.  The only reason I remain here, away from my home in Africa, is because I have responsibility to friends who I make music with.  If I fail in makin music my life, I return to Africa immediately.  You see history affects peoples minds differently, some people hold on in their soul the beginning of their roots, while some people only see their own life as history!! If any man has this connection with his roots, and places them in Africa, than that man is a true African, be him white, black, mixed or anything, and then that man feels the pain of repression and slavery and must also fight against the evil forces of babylon to stand tall amongst his brothers, without shame!

Bless to all of you, I's heart is with you at all times,

Praise to Jah,

One love
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: moses on July 28, 2006, 08:53:05 PM
Karibu (SW, Welcome) EveryLove... [smiley=cheesy.gif]
We are One People, on top of All  [smiley=cool.gif]
Bless Up
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: rasrossi on August 01, 2006, 05:48:12 PM
Rastafaria is not just Africa and not just about Africa,u see Bob took the work of the most high Jah moving round the world from nation to nation spreading the good news of Jah to I people and he did it with his Music so Rastafaria is not just about Physical repatriation back to Africa rather it is spiritual and mental repatriation,it also has to do with cultural repatriation.A non African descendant who feels that he is wothry to be a Tafarian is a Rastafarian for sure.

Rastafariasm is not just about been BLACK and Africa besides all black men are not Rastas so a non direct African descendant has a role to play in Rastafaria.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: rasmoses on February 10, 2011, 03:06:42 AM
I and I think the role of "non African" Rastas is too work to Inite all races in Rastafari.

To all white Rastas: chant down racism if the I sights it! And do not cause it!
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Nazarite I on February 10, 2011, 03:48:12 AM
Well if the I wants to bring forward a Reasoning from more than four years ago...

This is something that Iman have been thinking about a lot recently. I have seen many European Rastas, on this site and elsewhere, who fall into the trap of 'afropeanism' if you will. I have heard a European man say to I that he feels entitled to land in Africa and that he wants to 'repatriate' there. Now to I that is straight up folly. A man of European heritage has no right to any land in Africa in I sight, let alone to call that Repatriation. I and I know that all nations came out of Africa but that is long in the past. I and I as RastafarI people sight an African consciousness that goes back to Iration, no matter the colour, but let I and I who are not of African heritage not forget Iration and InIstory as well as the current state of affairs.

When it comes to the role that I and I non-African Rastas play in the movement, Iman am firm in I faith that overall, I and I goal is the same as I and I African Idren in that I and I are fighting for the healing of the world of the damage done by babylon. I and I ultimate goal in this is through international Repatriation and Reparations. By Repatriation, Iman am speaking of the return of Africa to the Africans, America to the Native Americans and so forth as well as true justice through Reparations, not the false justice given through the simple switching of chains I and I see babylon pull in this time. Through the achieving of this goal, I and I will set the foundation for the healing of the world.
Of course, not all RastafarI people are well placed to directly contribute to that ideal goal but arguably I and I as a movement are not yet ready for that. What Iman think I and I goals should be at this time is to build upon the foundations set by I and I Elders. Let I and I break down the barriers of babylon and set the foundations for the next generation of Rasta youth to continue building and breaking down barriers. How that manifests will obviously vary throughout the world. Wherever RastafarI people find I and Iselves, the local issues and such things will be different but I and I must forward in Righteousness. If the I is of Native American heritage, raise consciousness of the issues facing the I's people and how that affects the world and the state of things. If the I is of Australian Aboriginal heritage, do the same. The same goes for Africans, Chinese, every man who is one of Jah people.
To speak specifically for I people though as a European, in case I and I European Rasta Idren (and in that I include European Americans, Canadians, Australians, whatever) have not noticed (and from this 'afropean' thing, I suspect many haven't) I and I are living in the very heart of babylon, where the seats of power lie and the world is ruled. Let I and I not try to run to some utopian dream of Africa that is half reminiscent of those slavemasters among I and I ancestors who did the damage in the first place and carry on making things worse as I and I supposed leaders. Instead, let I and I do what needs to be done and bring that revolution of the mind and soul that needs to happen for the people of the world (including I and I) to be free. Let I and I be the conscience that reminds Europe of its past and present sins and ushers I and I people into consciousness. Iman am under no illusions that I and I face a mammoth task but any man who came into I and I Livity looking for an easy ride has no place in I and I Livity.

Blessed love.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: rasmoses on March 05, 2011, 01:10:09 AM
Yes I,
It was an accident that I accessed this reasoning. But as this issue is still relevant, and being discussed more and more by I and I African bredren, I figure maybe it was meant to be. It is not I and I goal to "repatriate" to Africa, maybe visit there, but not settle there. Sometimes I and I get discouraged, tired of Babylon, and think "oh, just fuck it. I'm going to Africa." That is a lazy thinking pattern. Bluntly, Africans are growing somewhat tired of I and I, this does not vex I, does not shake I faith, just helps I to stand firm that Africa is not for I. I and I seek a more spiritual approach to visiting Africa, by working on I livity, trying to surpass Babylon customs for a more righteous approach, not an "African" approach.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE AFRICA AND ITS CULTURE. I don't know a lot, but I and I enjoy learning.

By means of revolution, what does the I think would fix the Babylonian sickness, which I and I am no stranger of.

Ras Moses
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: Nazarite I on March 05, 2011, 03:26:06 AM
I don't think it can be fixed. When I look at the task of 'fixing' it, I see a futile task. The system is too big and the people too set in their ways for I and I as a movement to practically do anything about it directly at this time.

What I and I must do in I opinion is to continue to separate out of that system through the Livity and through non-participation in those systems while raising consciousness of the evils of the whole thing. If I and I do not see the falling of the whole thing in I and I lifetimes then it will be for I and I children and grandchildren and so on to continue with that. I and I should apply I and I selves to works that further the goals of the RastafarI movement as a whole and be sure to set a good example to the youths and any others who might be looking to I and I. Of course all that is difficult to figure out. Arguably, to apply I and Iselves to good works, I and I have to participate in some way in these systems because that is how this western world is built. For example, I personally want to become a teacher to pass I knowledge on to the next generations, but to do that I have to become part of the babylon system of miseducation. Ideally I would want to teach independently of any babylonian system but a man cannot live in this western world without participating in the babylon system in some way. Even the taxes I and I have to pay on food and clothing and everything else that needs to be bought in babylon goes to the governments who I am painfully aware then spend that money on some horrible things. This I and I can try to minimise through things such as learning skills such as growing food or making some of I and I own clothing but I and I face a reality of being trapped for now in participation in that system. All I and I can really do without the money and power that would be needed to change the system, is try to separate I and Iselves from it and take stands against it.
That can manifest in many ways. Iman personally am starting to grow some of I own food and for a long time now I have taken an anti-consumerist approach to things so that the money I contribute to that system is minimized.
At the same time, I think that perhaps that I and I can learn lessons from I and I African Idren of the RastafarI movement in Jamaica in the 1950s, 60s and 70s through active vocalization and participation in actions of defiance against the systems that are in place. RastafarI people must always be social critics of the babylonian system and it seems to I that in the west, I and I have forgotten that to some extent. There is still that element left in the music maybe but through other mediums, I don't see RastafarI people speaking out really. That needs to change. The same goes I think for acts of defiance. As I and I have seen recently in Africa with Egypt and Tunisia and Libya, the voice and actions of large groups of people can be a powerful force when it is applied right. And when (and it will be when, not if) such things arise in the west, I and I must make sure that I and I are there among the people, setting an example by chanting down babylon. Of course that may well bring I and I into direct confrontation with babylon, but I and I have been taking that position for a long time in secret. I am quite surprised in fact that I don't see RastafarI people participating in more demonstrations against babylonian systems and actions. I know that arguably without the numbers I and I see in Libya and Egypt, they won't change much in the west, but I think there is strong symbolic power in actions of defiance. If there wasn't, babylon wouldn't fight so hard against them. I went to some of the student demonstrations I and I had here in England at the end of 2010, including the big one in London in Parliament square where the police trapped thousands of us in the square  for hours and beat people for no reason before turning the media on students and slandering them in the press. That shows I how scared they are of it. They have to beat and slander their opponents to protect their position. With the way things are going at the moment, I can see it is only a matter of time before more of these spring up. Students are quiet for now, maybe scared by the police brutality or disheartened because the demonstrations didn't stop what they were against but it is only a matter  of time before the government provokes trade unions and other organisations that will rebel against them and when that happens, I know I will be there in the streets with them chanting down the riot police.

All of this though I think rests on something that many of I and I forget, and that is what Selassie I HIMself told I and I when he visited the Idren in Jamaica in 1966. Organise and centralise he told I and I. I don't see that going on in the west at this time and without that, I and I will not have the ability to wield the power I and I could.

Blessed love.
Title: Re: Role Of Non Africans in Rasta Movement
Post by: rasmoses on March 07, 2011, 01:56:53 AM
Yes I,
As Mr. Marley said "Unite for the benefit of my children".
Separate ourselves from others that will infiltrate the Rastafari people. Homosexuality, Fake Rastafari, The Roman Church; all things that I man have seen try and destroy Rastafari.
Homosexuality: Buju Banton's case is a prime example of how the homosexuals want to destroy Rastafari. I believe they had a large part in Mr. Banton's incarceration, as well as the rest of Babylon that wants to fight against dreadlocks. Furthermore, this act is simply an abomination to Jah; Rastafari should not mix up with these people.
Fake Rastafari: Self-explanatory. Wolves coming to spread the false Word of Rastafari and feed Babylon's pop culture industry what it craves: to distract people from the Truth. Why Rastafari are dealing with true world issues, Fake "Rastafari" are dealing with which Bob Marley track can be downloaded for free. Not saying I and I am truly doing anything spectacular as far as Jah works goes, but I am atleast becoming more involved in world issues than that of I fake brothers. Fake Rastafari are just like the news here in America: distracting people from what the truth really entails. On the news here in the States, instead of talking about whats relevant in the world, there talking about Charlie Sheen's drug problem.
Roman Church: The root of evil in Babylon, possibly even (not literally speaking) the Headquarters. The rest? Too fucking fired up to explain. Also, too obvious. (Excuse I words, Selassie I Jah Rastafari)

Let I and I people liberate the hurting nations, as Selassie I instructed.
In the words of the prophet Marcus Mossiah Garvey,
"Up you mighty race, accomplish what you will".
"Look for me in the whirlwind or the storm". Catch I and I the action. Get up, stand up, let us not be lazy, seen.

This may seem like a rant, but it is just I views. Not much knowledge, just a simple observation. More like a philosophy.

Always standing firm,
Ras Moses