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Title: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 02, 2005, 09:42:58 PM
greetings  iam  asking  this  question  because  in  one  of  empress  gong  post  on  another  tread  she  claim  that  god  is  black,  when  i  ask  her  to  explain  bredrin  fiyah  reply  an  said  that  he  was  with  the  empress,  so  the  guestion  is  this  how  menny  more  of  you  think  that  god  is  black,  and  if  you  believe  that  god  is  black  can  you  explain  why  you  think  that  jah  is  black one  love  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: rasbongo on July 02, 2005, 09:58:40 PM
this mayb beyond the scope of your question but i dont believe god is black nor white, i simply believe he doesnt even exist period.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: EmpressGong on July 03, 2005, 03:15:21 AM
Blessed Love

ital, you are something else. Fiyah when he said agreed with me was talkin about the multicultural society of JA and how there are such influences in the ways of Rastafari.

Secondly, as you want to call out my name all the time. MY GOD is black. MY GOD is BLACK. MY God is a LIBERATOR of my PEOPLE. MY GOD has shown me how I must deal with the downpressor: through dedication to the ALMIGHTY CREATOR that LIVES WITHIN ME and ALL mankind. MY GOD came as a BLACK MAN all de time. MY GOD is someone I recognise and feel instantly upon sight.

MY CREATOR lives in ME and makes me DIVINE..makes me SACRED. I know de GODDESS within.

You dont have to see, or like it or agree with it. But that is my reality and I love it doh.
RASTAFARI

EmpressGong
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Tottenham on July 03, 2005, 06:05:32 PM
God is not black or white.Colour/race means nothing when discussing God.God is within all of us.But if seeing God ina form helps us to communicate with God then so be it.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: paco on July 03, 2005, 10:57:31 PM
why can't blackman have black god? they europeans been shuving white god into our brain matter forever then white man and brainwashed p of color chri. say color don't matter while picture of blond blue eyed brad pitt  looking jesus hanging inna santuary and all sunday school rooms. i don't even like name 'god' that uropean concept foreign to i DNA.  for those who want devotion and physical form to worship what rong with black higher power? [smiley=shocked.gif]


Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 04, 2005, 04:27:39 AM
bredrin  rasbongo  you  should  not  take  part  in  this  reasoning  it  is  about  god  and  you  dont  even  think  that  god  exist,  empress  you  want  to  get  down  from  your  high  horse  fiyah  did  reply  to  say  he  was  in  agreement  with  you  that  god  was  black  and  that  is  the  reason  why  i  started  this  tread  so  we  could  reason  some  more  on  the  matter,  what  make  you  think  that  iam  always  calling  out  your  name  expecally,  if  you  think  that  iam  doing  so  your  are  wrong  you  said  god  was  black  i  ask  you  to  explain  that  is  all,  if  it  was  anyone  else  i  would  have  ask  them  to  explain  themselves  as  well, most  of  my  reasoning  on  this  forum  has  been  with  fiyah  not  you,  so  if  iam  always  calling  anyone  name  it  is  fiyah  not  yours,  the  couple  of  times  that  i  have  reason  with  you,  after  one  post  you  usually  run  away  claming  that  it  makes  no  sence  to  continue  reasoning,  even  if  i  disagree  with  fiyah  i  could  not  say  the  same  thing  about  him  because  unlike  yourself  he  stand  and  defend  not  in  an  agresive  way  but  in  an  understanding  way,  no  offence  is  ment  by  this  empress  but  your  behaving  not  like  empress  gong,  but  like  empress  soft,  like  i  said  before  iam  not  picking  on  you  i  dont  even  know  you,  i  only  ask  you  to  explain  why  you  think  that  god  is  black  thats  all,  the  same  queston  was  but  to  fiyah  as  well  but  fiyah  give  a  reason  why  he  taught  so,  have  you  got  a  reason  to  think  so,  once  and  for  all  empress  no  offence  is  ment  your  my  sister  if  my  intention  is  to  offend  you  may  jah    take  away  any  blessing  from  me  if  i  have  any  either  in  this  life  or  the  next.  one  love  to  all  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 04, 2005, 04:36:02 AM
i  ment  to  say  the  same  queston  was put  to  fiyah  as  well
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: M-Dub on July 04, 2005, 06:06:41 PM
Greetings and peace.

The entity of the Creator cannot be described in a human thought process. We are too simple with too much out of our realm of possibility. The color of Jah does not and should not matter to anyone, because really, Jah is not bound by the rules that we are as huemans. In contemplating whether or not Jah is black we are lowering the Almighty to our level when He is much greater. Jah is more than color or shape.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: EmpressGong on July 04, 2005, 07:56:59 PM
Blessed Love

I had a response all ready and the internet shut down leavin me signed in since yesterday. But anyways, Here is what I wanted to say yesterday, which is also in support of what M-Dub said. I must say he is certainly right that we are lowerin the Creator to our level and that is a mistake. But as humans we are prone to such indiscretion. anyways this is what I wanted to say before:

I feel like a stuck record. TO repeat, I am not sayin that the 'colour' of the Creator , the Most High NTR is Black. The NTR is not a defined figure in the sky.Furthermore, the NTR is within everything on earth. Thus Creation is the NTR, Creation and Creator are One. Geez. God is a title, God has been the name given to a white guy with blue eyes and long hair, sayin that he is the saviour to all, and we shud sit and wait for him to return and hope he liked our lives-in-anticiaption. COME ON! Isnt something wrong with this picture?

MY God isnt someone who I cant see or feel. NOt someone Ive heard of but dont have any proof he ever existed. I need somethng tangible not blind faith. GOd has always been portrayed as a man in the sky, well Im sorry to say that for this Rasta that aint enough. My God actually lives and exists within me and the faces and the words and sounds of my people,and those who have that Spirit guiding them to righteousness. I do not look at the face os the downpressor and see liberation , spirit and truth. I cannot look at Babylon and find peace. My God is in the face of my people.this is what it is for ME.

Im not sayin that GOd is not in all of mankind beyond race, that wud be so untrue.BUt as a Rasta I deal with HOME FIRST. We deal with healin our own FIRST and as said, no one is disputin that the Creator is colourless. That is why there are so many problems with non-africans comin into Rasta, becuz the purpose of this movement, whether or not ones choose to see it is specific. Not to say it is exclusive in integration but we have a goal, and I do not see why there is always a problem with our Goal.We should not be called racists just becuz we  are takin care of our own. Afrakans are the original peoples of this world, and after years of degradation and being treated like animals, our original existence is what gives us the mental freedom we deserve after brutal violation.

GOd and Creator are interchangeable terms but I do not mean NTR when I say God. Im talkin about Divinity in Flesh/Man. Many other ancient cultures know this.THe Aborigines of this world have always praised the link between the NTR and Creation. Not the people of Babylon, and that mindset is what plagues everyone and is unfortunately the subconscious still. THe Creator is all colours and all things becuz teh Creator is just that! But I am born from teh Darkness and I love it, cuz as was said darkness gives birth to Light. Rasta is the Light for the Dark sking and who dont like that fact then too bad!

Any Fari Literature will tell you so ital. Real Rasta are fightin for the black cause which will one day lead to the human cause. but babylon is way too powerful for that part right now, hence why we stick mainly to our own. if you dont see the culture we are tryin to reclaim from our roots in the Nile then really what is there to discuss!

EmpressGong
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: M-Dub on July 04, 2005, 09:11:41 PM
Thank you for helping I to achieve a greater overstanding of your words Empress. I can now truly see the words you speak and the meaning behind them. Deep.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Positive_Vibration on July 04, 2005, 10:21:11 PM
Yes, much thanks Empress.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 05, 2005, 04:14:58 AM
greetings,  it  is  true  that  god  has  been  potray  to  us  as  white,  but  this  was  not  done  by  rightious  people  but  by  those  who  lack  any  understanding   of  god,  the  word  god  is  used  by  muslims  as  well  but  not  to  discribe  any  blue  eye  god,  if  we  follow  the  ways  of  those  who  see  god  as  white  by  saying  god  is  black  we  will  be  just  as  stupid  as  them,  i  agree  that  darkness  is  the  first  and  that  out  of  this  darkness  comes  light,  but  it  was  jah  that  created  both  the  darkness  and  the  light  so  jah  is  none  of  these  colours  he  created  them,    if  you  believe  god  has  a  colour  you  need  to  think  about  the  things  that  your  doing  in  your  life  they  might  be  clowding   your  understanding.  one  love  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: EmpressCarla on July 05, 2005, 12:38:24 PM
Is there a reason we should assume Jah is without any particular color?

If it is true that we are made in His image, what exactly does that mean? If creation starts within the mind, then we are a creation from within the mind of Jah. So then, is it not plausible that He would make a man "black" because blackness is within Jah? Everything that is without is within. So then, why would darkness not be within Jah? As well as the light?

Be blessed.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: M-Dub on July 05, 2005, 04:35:32 PM
Seen, EmpressCarla had placed the last piece in the puzzle on this topic.

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greetings,  it  is  true  that  god  has  been  potray  to  us  as  white,  but  this  was  not  done  by  rightious  people  but  by  those  who  lack  any  understanding   of  god,  the  word  god  is  used  by  muslims  as  well  but  not  to  discribe  any  blue  eye  god,  if  we  follow  the  ways  of  those  who  see  god  as  white  by  saying  god  is  black  we  will  be  just  as  stupid  as  them,  i  agree  that  darkness  is  the  first  and  that  out  of  this  darkness  comes  light,  but  it  was  jah  that  created  both  the  darkness  and  the  light  so  jah  is  none  of  these  colours  he  created  them,    if  you  believe  god  has  a  colour  you  need  to  think  about  the  things  that  your  doing  in  your  life  they  might  be  clowding   your  understanding.  one  love  RASTAFARI.


You are not looking at the words of the Empress within the proper light. Your words show that you missed the point she was making. Meditate on her words and Carla's and you will see what is being said.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: joeyb on July 05, 2005, 10:20:51 PM
wisdom seen.

but Empress_Carla, we are not made in Jah's physical image. The "image" the Bible refers to here is concerning the character of Jah - we are created with some of His qualities (i.e. Mercy, pity, peace, love but to  a smaller extent than He.)

good point about how the Creator envisioned Man as black and thus created Him, but to make Man, God made him out of imperfect physical matter, which in turn has texture, colour etc. Thus, colour cannot exist outside of matter colour is one of the charactersitics confined to physicality. Giving Jah a colour confines Him. He does not have no colour as in, this makes Him black: colour cannot be applied to Him because He has nothing to be coloured. He has no body.

The only God one can say is black is H.I.M. Haille Selassie I, if you know HIM as thus - if not, then God is extra-physical.

OneLove
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: EmpressCarla on July 06, 2005, 02:20:36 AM
joeyb, my bredren, what makes you think we are not made in Jah's physical image? An image is a reflection of something. We are the reflection of Jah. When I look in the mirror, when I look within, it is Jah that is reflected back! Just like when I look into my Mom's face, I see myself and she sees herself reflected in me.

Now, I know that Jah is a spirit. But am I not also a spirit? I am the physical manifestation of Jah, embodied as "Carla". So for me to think of God as black does not confine Him (and I use the term "Him" loosely). Rather, it defines Him...for me. You stated that Jah "has no body". Well, I say to you that Jah has EVERY body! So if you don't see Jah reflected in your physical as well as spiritual self, look a little closer! As FiyahBun said, "Jah is color and beyond color."

And by the way, what makes you think Jah made man out of "imperfect physical matter"? Gen. 1:31 states, "And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good."

Be blessed.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 06, 2005, 04:50:59 AM
greetings,  if  its  true  that  we  are  make  in  god  image,  that  mean  we  are  spirits,  because  the  creator  is  a  spirit,  i  know  that  iam  a  spirit  liveing  in  my  black  physical  body,  but  can  you  tell  me  what  colour  your  mind  is,  do  you  think  that  the  colour  of  the  spirit  that  is  liveing  in  the  black  physical  body  is  different  from  the  spirit  that  is  liveing  in  the  white  physical  body,  are  maybe  the  spirit  in  the  brown  body have  a  different  colour  as  well,  i  wonder  if  any  one  of  them  knows  what  colour  the  mind  is,  let  us  stick  to  the  topic  those  who  claim  that  god  is  black  must  show  why  god  is  black,  i  know  that  jah  is  not  black  and  my  intintion  is  to  try  my  best  to  explain  the  reason  why  i  know  that  jah  is  not  black  this  is  not  a  fight  it  is  only  reasoning,  fiyah  iam  supprise  you  advice  me  to  finish  such  a  nice  reasoning  iam  sure  our  reasoning  is  benefiting  some  one  somewere,  how  can  jah  be  black  when  it  was  jah  who  created   black  and  everything  else,  jah  is  reflected  in  the  physical  as  spirit,  but  i  will  ask  the  question  again  what  colour  is  your  mind  or  maybe  you  know  the  colour  of  your  own  spirit,  for  those  who  like  to  meditate  i  suggest  you  do  so  then  when  you  finish  tell  me  if  you  know  the  colour  of  the  mind.  one  love  RASTAFARI
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: paco on July 06, 2005, 05:35:18 AM
xcuse me if i as a non blackman say summthing here. it seems to me that yea spirit have no color yet where do tha spirit and body connect or end? i inna struggle to recover sorta to speak from white supremacy/uropean christianity. i was raised in the southern baptist church and god was white. i was in a brown church but we always had a white anglo minister.all history i learned in school was white, hell evan superman and tarzan were white. like i seen it said here ' half the story never been told' and the genius of the blackman to me is how he counters all that insanity with knowledge and wisdom. for the sake of all our children and young persons we (all people of color) must have our own history exposed and have our own god(s). everytime i'd look at the man on the quaker oats box i thought that was god! i know not all people of color think like i do but there are many of us that grew up with shame and not liking who we were. so i say symbols are powerful and jesus is a powerful symbol used by tha white supremist to keep all chained imo. having a black god is necessary for liberation. it's a giant step in the manifestation at this time for the evolution of our souls back to mother earth where we all come from and go back to imo-- no mind, pure life. can you show me the mind?
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 06, 2005, 11:44:22 AM
greetings  bredrin  fiyah,  do  you  really  believe  that  what  the  two  empresss  say  on  this  tread  is  the  highest  truth,  in  my  opinion  they  are  no  where  near  the  highest  truth  an  nither  is  anyone  else  who  is  of  the  opinion  that  god  is  either  black  white  brown  or  yellow,  it  look  to  me  as  if  some  people  on  this  forum  are  friends  so  they  dont  reason  against  each  other,  but  agree  with  each  other  all  the  time,  well  iam  not  friendly  with  anyone        in  particular  so  i  dont  have  to  blindly  agree  with  anyone  weather  they  are  empresses  or  kings,  one  is  not  looking  for  enimies  in  reasoning  but  nither  is  one  looking  for  friends  either  what  we  are  after  is  truth,  if  my  own  mother  say  some  thing  and  it  was  wrong  i  will  tell  her  that  what  she  is  saying  is  wrong,   in  my  short  time  reasoning  here  on  this  forum,  i  have  seen  it  over  and  over  where  someone  reasoning  is  wrong  but  their  friends  usually  agree  with  it  anyway  as  if  they  are  afraid  to  critize  each  other,  read  this  tread  again  fiyah  do  you  really  believe  that  the  two  empresses  are  the  ones  with  the  highest  reasoning  on  this  subject, like  i  say  before  those  people  who  potrayed  god  as  white  are  stupid  people,  and  those  who  say  that  god  is  black  are  just  as  stupid  if  fact  they  are  more  stupid,  because  they  can  see  the  mistake  of  those  who  claim  that  god  is  white  but  they  are  doing  the  same.  one  love  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: TREE-NATTY on July 06, 2005, 12:13:20 PM
E.M.HTP!!!

I'm reading a lot of "no man can fahom God in sight so God has no color etc." talk. But on the other hand people see god similar to themselves. The latter is what is correct to me, and this has also has been express throughout history. Micheanglo said the reason why he drew the face of god white is because god made him in the image and likeness of god. So is he wrong? In saying that god is white? The fact remains that the first humans to write and express attributes about the most high. Were not creating a god that they expressed through themselves, as most people thinks. But they identified the most high with the fact that anything that had been created from that time & back had to be either one of 4 colors. Green, Blue/Purple, Gold/Yellow, and Black/Dark Brown. The color white was seen as a symbol of death. We wore white at funerals not black. Mummies were seen as wearing white bandages. Osiruis was always deplicted as wearing white with a green face! Meaning he was the ruler of the underworld (afterlife). So if you think that god/s has no color than your wrong and you don't know the most high. The Empress was correct in saying that god is within. But as me and my jamacian elders always discuss, the genesis verse of "let us make man in our image and our likeness". This verse reveals that god didn't create man, but another higher man created man. Z. Sitchin in his books "Gods of Eden" revealed that the jewish schlors hid this revealation from its followers. That the gods who created man is different from the god who created the universe. So this discussion is a bit confusing for me because of my knowledge of it. But it really confusing for me to read your threads because of your lack of knowledge of it! The womankind always basically makes more common sense in all aspects of metaphysical discussions. Why? Because they are on a balance natural cycle both seen and felt. So with that said I have to agree with the Empress on this as well. But it must be clarified that the bible doesn't state that God created man. It states that "Us" created man, Moses and/or writers of the bible put their emphasis on the verse implying that god did it. It should of stated "and the Lord God said I will create men". So I don't know if yall know but the bible has many different gods: God, Lord God, Lord, & I am. So who are you talking about?!?! LOL!!! And please don't say because god has different names, becuase if that were the case why not JUST SAY IT! LOL! Instead of creating confusion? God wants you confused? Maybe because they way the bible reads that just what he wants!
Ok to keep it simple if you want to talk about the non-african creator god it has to be the African! Considering who the author of the 1st 5 books etc. If you want to talk about creator god of the African, that's too deep for any of you for the sheer fact that you trying to determine the color of one out many gods appearances! If you want to talk about the creator of the universe god than you have to go back to the Nile Valley. They're the first on earth to write and teach about creation of the universe. So where should I start??

See the problem is your asking the wrong questions. Because the question you ask should help you overstand more of what we are living in. And I don't think anyone asking this question can get further in Rastafari. God is black because Haile Selassie I say so!

HRU
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: M-Dub on July 06, 2005, 03:59:50 PM
Ital, you have shown to I that you have spent no time reading the words of the Empresses and meditating upon them. You accuse others of following blindly when it seems that you are blindly following your own beliefs? Just a thought. You are still missing the point. The reasoning on this topic is much more complex and much deeper than the surface you are trodding on.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Ras Saadon on July 06, 2005, 04:22:53 PM
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Let i reiterate this again it is man who create god, seen.


InI kinda lost on this one Idren, are you saying that Jah nah exist? that its only a thing that humans made up?
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: EmpressCarla on July 06, 2005, 04:46:48 PM
If the white man has the idea of a white God, let him worship his God
as he desires. If the yellow man’s God is of his race let him worship
his god as he sees fit. We, as Negroes, have found a new ideal. Whilst
our God has no color, yet it is human to see everything through one’s
own spectacles,
and since the white people have seen their through
white spectacles, we have only now started out (late though it be) to
see our God through our own spectacles. The God of Isaac and the
God of Jacob let him exist for the race that believes in the god of Isaac
and the god of Jacob. We Negroes believe in the God of Ethiopia, the
Everlasting God---God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy
Ghost, the One God of all ages. That is the God in whom we believe,
but we shall worship him through the spectacles of Ethiopia.

--Marcus Garvey

Be blessed.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: EmpressGong on July 06, 2005, 05:59:11 PM
Blessed Love

BlessUp for the loving support amongst the Bredren and Sistren Carla here. WE are truly coming together and learning from one another. TRee I thank you for your post becuz I certainly learned a new afrospective. I shall meditate on these words.

ital I have decided that those who block Istory and refuse to see what Creation really is are not really worth de headache. You are arrogant in what you think you know and have lost my raspect to an extent. But keep living up none the less.

EmpressGong
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 06, 2005, 06:20:02 PM
greetings,  i  would  not  say  that  iam  blindly  following  my  own  beliefs  simpley  because  iam  not  a  believer,  iam  reasoning  about  what  i  know  not  what  i  believe,  i  ask  a  simple  guestion  witch  should  be  no  problem  to  one  who  knows  the  truth,  what  colour  is  your  mind,  if  iam  blind  then  it  is  up  to  those  of  you  who  can  see  to  lead  me  dont  forget  iam  your  brother,  the  idea  of  each  colour  haveing  their  own  god  is  a  strange  one,  i  know  jah  as  one,  the  sun  is  a  good  methapor  to  express  how  the  one  light  of  jah  shines  on  the  whole  earth,  iam  not  supprise  that  lots  of  you  are  upset  about  a   lot  of  my  posting  on  this  forum  the  truth  hurts  some  time,  it  is  a  double  edged  sword,  those  who  are  in  tune  with  truth  love  it  when  they  hear  it,  they  soak  it  up  like  how  sponge  soak  up  water,  but  those  who  are  out  of  tune  when  they  hear  it,  it  hurts  them  so  they  usually  attack  the  bearer  of  truth,  if  i  was  not  reasoning  fairely  surely  rasta  nick  would  find  reasons  to  ban  me,  the  forum  is  call  rasta  nick  forum,  if  he  did  not  want  someone  like  myself  who  dont  think  that  selassie  is  jah,  to  reason  on  this  forum  he  would  have  said  so,  and  make  it  part  of  the  rule  of  the  forum,  so  iam  not  breaking  any  rule  here  by  saying   selassie    is  not  god,  now  i  know  very  well  that  statement  like  that  will  offend  menny,  but  like  they  say  the  truth  is  an  offence  but  not  a  sin,  let  us  continue  to  reason  with  love  and  understanding.  one  love  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: NegusNegustiality on July 06, 2005, 06:54:30 PM
Ises Rastafari massive, long time nuh post -

since ones waan seh deh Almighty isa "spirit", Ini ask can a "spirit" exist widout a temple/container?  cuz in Ini knowledge, any so called "spirit" widout a temple is a duppy/ghost, and Ini know deh I dem are not saying dat deh Irator of everything known tuh man is a dead spirit, huh?

deh phrase man mek god, is deh truest line spoken because all over Iration a nex ones god resemble dem, except for deh displaced Afreecans.  so from dat time tuh dis time Ini bun out colonialist/imperialist/babylonian perception and behold Iration through deh eyes of an Afreecan stranded in deh west, seen.

for a more logical/fundamentalist/churchical vibe, JAH is black widout apology because science has documented dat Afreecans can produce every other hue upon Iration but other ethnicities cyan produce I.  Afreeca is deh genesis of deh Ible regardless of what dem pastors whitewash deh sheeple wid, for Ini know dat Afreeca's youth are deh ancient of mysteries manifest in dark flesh as deh cosmos above and surrounding.  even through scripture it tells dat Jesse, David's fada was black, so it is written, then everyone through deh line must follow suit.

as Ini see it, dis question really should be a moot point once deh I dem accept Afreecan Supremacy as deh globe's natural order of maintaining equilibrium.  Istory shows dis time and time again.

free yuh mind from mental slavery, none but "ourselves" can free our minds

Haile I Bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: M-Dub on July 06, 2005, 07:16:02 PM
Ital, no one is upset by your words. If anything we are frustrated at the close minded point of view you hold sometimes. When you said "the  idea  of  each  colour  haveing  their  own  god  is  a  strange  one" shows that you still have no idea of what the Empresses were speaking about. Yet you still refuse to meditate into this matter further? Why? Don't limit your own overstanding by confining the reasoning on this topic.

Big ups to the mighty wombmen on this topic who have come to truly humble and spread some true wisdom.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: joeyb on July 06, 2005, 07:56:52 PM
Empress_Carla, thank you for your thought, I'm mighty blessed by them: especially with the Garvey quote. I know see your views much clearer.

Excuse me if I earlier I sound pretentious, these views are my opinions  as I am not confident enough to claim I know the full nature of God and scripture.  I hold the Bible to speak for simple Man, so I interpret the word "image" as being metaphorical - but you're right: there is no reason why it can't mean physical, especially with the reasoning that God is seen through everyOne.

also, my wording concerning matter was inappropriate. what I meant to say was He made us out of inferior matter - inferior to the spiritual matter of the soul. physical matter can be scattered across the Universe - but spiritual matter can never be undone. for you: God is black, for Catholics, He is white but for me, He is without colour or form. this is how I see Him through my spectacles.

hope this helps.

OneLove
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: SeekingRastafari on July 06, 2005, 08:34:25 PM
I believe that God is a almighty spirit. and is beyond any mans comprehension. I think the lord can be around us in any shape or form.
i think that for people to find comfort, man with give the the lord color to identify with him on a more personal level. any one can think and reason and say the lord created man and i am this skin tone so why wouldnt the have the same skin tone as me?
it is writien that God made man in the image of himself and when the lord made man he took him from the earth. the earths ground has many colors and none of them are white. man wasnt taken from the snow. so the lord when he made man, made him to have color. i dont think you can be made from the ground with out having color . so if man has color and was made in the image of God and the original man was black why wouldnt the lord be too?
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Quest on July 07, 2005, 03:36:54 AM
All one has to do is look at the color chart.  From Black you get every color.  So to answer the question... Yes JAH / God / ALAH is Black and every color we as man know about and more.  

Love all as your self

Quest
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 07, 2005, 05:07:41 AM
bredrin  fiyah,  were  have  you  read  in  any  of  my  post  on  this  forum  where  iam  denounceing  selassie  your  making  an  assumption  and  your  wrong  of  cource,  i  have  spoken  no  bad  word  against  selassie  personally,  as  far  as  i  know  selassie  never  reveal  to  the  world  that  he  selassie  is  the  almighty,  one  of  god  soldier  yes  but  god  no,  the  i  was  a  follower  and  a  true  believer  in  the  powers  of  jah  so  i  would  never  denounce  selassie,  but  i  will  say  that  he  is  not  jah,  i  understand  that  the  physical  if  you  are  not  blind,  see  things  in  colour,  but  when  the  christ  is  risen  within  it  open  up  another  eye,  this  eye  like  you  rightly  said  fiyah  is  colour  blind,  untill  this  is  done  the  world  of  colour  will  continue  to  confuse  people, and  fiyah  i  was  not  making  assumptions  when  i  say  some  on  this  forum  go  along  with  every  thing  that  each  say,  even  when  one  can  see  that  the  other  is  wrong  they  wont  say  so  as  if  they  dont  want  to  offent  their  friends,  that  to  me  is  no  assumption,  just  read  lots  of  reasoning  on  this  forum  and  you  will  soon  see  what  i  mean,  any  way  back  to  the  main  topic  at  hand,  i  cannot  reply  to  every  one,  but  there  has  been  a  lot  of  responce  witch  is  all  good  reasonings,   but  i  did  ask  another  question  witch  no  one  respond  to,  i  will  ask  it  again, WHAT  COLOUR  IS  YOUR  MIND, one  love  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: M-Dub on July 07, 2005, 02:47:25 PM
Ital, no one in this topic has followed each other blindly. It is clear you did not get the answers you wanted in this topic and are therefore making false assumptions. Next you try to change the subject to the mind instead of Jah. We should stick to the topic.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 07, 2005, 03:43:28 PM
bredrin  fiyah,  to  me  the  sound  of  jah  is  the  wind  i  do  not  know  what  note  it  blows  in  weather  it  is  a  b  or  c,  but  i  do  know  that  in  this  life  the  breath  is  the  highest  note,  i  feel  it  but  i  cannot  see  it  so  to  me  it  is  nither  black  white  green  or  brown,  for  me  breath  is  higher  than  colour  and  sound  in  this  life,  if  one  did  not  have  breath  one  could  not  see  any  colour  or  hear  any  sound,  some  might  claim  that  the  breth  is  black,  others  that  it  is  white  or  yellow  or  brown,  but  because  iam  colour  blind  i  cannot  see  any  colour  in  the  breath, once  again  fiyah  iam  not  making  any  assumptions  when  i  say  that  on  this  forum  some  people  agree  with  each  other  no  matter  what,  any  fair  minded  person  who  spend  time  reading  an  reasoning  on  this  forum  will  clearly  see  what  iam  talking  about,  who  the  cap  fit  let  them  wear  it,  again  i  was  not  making  any  assumptions  when  i  say  that  people  always  attack  the  bearer  of  truth,  that  is  a  fact  bredrin  why  do  you  think  that  them  kill  jesus  for,  it  was  not  for  telling  lies  but  for  speaking  the  truth,  just  read  some  of   HIS  STORY  and  you  will  see  how  those  who  speak  the  truth  suffer  and  died  in  lots  of  cases  not  because  they  did  any  thing  wrong  but  because  they  speak  the  truth  and  the  truth  have  a  way  of  upsetting  people,  iam  not  trying  to  convince  any  one  but  it  is  my  right  as  a  man  to  say  what  i  know  weather  others  agree  with  me  or  not  all  i  can  do  is  to  be  truthful  to  my  own  self,  i  reasoning  with  all  kind  of  people  christians  muslim  hindus  shieks  and  all  kind  of  different   none  religous  people,  religous  people  usually  follow  their  own  holy  book,  i  follow  the  way  that  say  man  should  know  himself,  so  while  some  spend  time  knowing  a  book,  i  like  to  spend  my  time  knowing  my  self,  and  i  dont  mean  knowing  ital,  i  mean  knowing  the  highest  self  within,  that  highestself  is  who  iam  listening  to,  you  could  call  it  the  voice  within  it  is  like  the  wind  you  feel  it  but  you  do  not  see  it  some  call  it  conscience,  but  what  ever  name  one  choose  to  call  it  that  is  my  guide,  and  when  i  reason  with  any  one  all  iam  trying  to  do  is  to  try  my  best  to  let  them  understand  that  the  highest  truth  is  within  all,  but  people  in  general  have  no  faith  in  their  own  self,  their  faith  is  in  a  book  or  some  other  men  but  never  in  their  own  self,  they  will  have  faith  in  HIS  STORY, but  never  in  their  own,  it  has  been  said  that  i  do  no  know  the  highest  truth  well  that  is  another  assumption  witch  is  wrong  read  all  my  post  on  this  forum  and  you  will  see  that  i  have  always  been  reasoning  about  the  ways  of  the  truth  that  is  within  all  and  that  is  the  highest  truth  one  can  find  in  this  life,  dont  forget  ital  is  not  the  truth,  the  conscience  of  ital  is  the  truth,  ital  dont  own  conscience,  it  is  available  to  all,  it  speak  to  all,  but  the  great  mojority  do  not  listen,  so  they  dont  get  to  know  conscience,  one  love  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: M-Dub on July 07, 2005, 03:57:05 PM
Ital, no one attacked you. You compare your "plight" to that of Jesus? Please. I am interested in the fact you speak so highly of your reasoning with others when you have spent no time to study and meditate on the wise words in this topic. You still do not overstand the point being made which shows you have either closed your mind or given up. Don't give up Idren!

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Zipporah_O on July 07, 2005, 04:44:07 PM
One Love

Seems to me this is kind of a physics question -- also depends on whether one believes Yah has a body or not, no?
I do not think He has a body, i pretty much go with the ancient understanding of God as a "spirit" or energy/consciousness Who exists both outside and within the physical universe. So, then, to me He cannot be either black or white, as used in reference to human skin colour variations.
But then we come to the physics part of it -- energy can take on different forms, and God is most often described as "light" (not meaning "pale", like "light-skinned", but light-energy); and when it comes to light-energy, "white" is the light containing all colours, and "black" is the complete absence of it. THIS IS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE etc. Just words and physics. So to me, i accept the description of God as blinding white light. At least that is how He often manifests, though i also accept the traditional view that no human has ever actually SEEN Him, just His "glory", meaning that blinding light. Moses' face was actually burned and glowing after he was allowed to see Yah's glory on the mountain.
Having said that, i do agree that symbolism is powerful, and that it is very significant and important that Rastafari have a black messiah and prophets, chosen by Yah to lead His people out of Babylon oppression and back into the garden of paradise in Zion. It is absolutely necessary at this time in the world, and of course Yah knows this. All glory and praise to Him!
Peace Idren!
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: M-Dub on July 07, 2005, 05:23:53 PM
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White reflects most of the visual colors of light. Where as Black absorbs them. One cannot see light and not see color!


Seen.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 07, 2005, 06:41:51 PM
bredrin  fiyah  once  again  your  assumptions  about  me  are  way  off  the  mark,  if  you  want  to  say  that  iam  blind  then  please  say  so  yourself,  but  i  myself  never    tell  any  one  that   iam  blind,  like  i  said  before  some  people  on  this  forum  agree  with  each  others  post  all  the  time  it  does  not  matter  what  the  tread  is  about  for  this  reason  i  say  these  people  are  blind,  if  the  cap  fit  let  them  wear  it,  if  what  iam  saying  does  not  aply  to  anyone  on  this  forum  why  should  they  worry,  if  it  was  someone  else  apart  from  myself  that  say  what  i  said,  i  whould  not  think  that  they  was  refereing  to  me  because  i  do  not  take  side  with  anyone  but  the  truth,  i  never  call  anyone  name,  in  jamaica  we  have  a  saying  that  say,  throw  me  corn  but  me  never  call  no  fowl,  iam  not  afraid  to  stand  up  for  what  is  right,  iam  not  the  one  who  is  ignorant  bredrins,  but  those  of  you  who  believe  that  the  creator  is  either  a  black  man  or  a  black  being,  and  when  one  is  living  in  ignorance  one  hold  onto  all  knids  of  ignorant  belief,  believeing  god  to  be  black  is  not  a  fact  but  on  opinion,  that  all  beliefs  is  opinions  not  facts,  you  should   know  and  not  believe,  if  you  know  you  would  know  that  god  is  not  black,  so  to  anyone  who  see  god    as  either  black  or  white, i  would  say  brother  you  need  to  open  your  eyes,  then  again  not  everyone  is  alive  most  people  are  dead,  because  to  be  alive  you  must  know  the  higher  self  within,  if  you  did  how  could  you  then  put  either  the  bible  or  any  holy  book  or  holy  men  before  the  highest  self  that  is  within  yourself,  god  is  within  me  so  why  should  i  follow  jesus  when  i  can  follow  god  within  my own  self,  those  who  follow  other  men  weather  the  man  is  call  jesus  or  selassie,  i  say  these  are  blind  people  because  they  dont  know  their  own  self,  yet  they  are  full  of  knowledge  about  selassie  an  jesus  their  faith  and  belief  in  these  men  are  strong,  but  in  their  own  self  they  have  no  trust, but  they  dont  know  nither  jesus  or  selassie,  every  thing  is  base  on  belief,  witch  like  i  said  before  is  only  peoples  opinions,  all  believers  in  jesus  and  selassie  are  blind  and  will  remain  so  untill  they  know  their  ownself.  one  love  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: EmpressCarla on July 07, 2005, 06:56:27 PM
ital, FiyahBun was right. You need to simply shut this thread down because I see very little reasoning going on. Tell me, why is it if you think you are the "bearer of truth" you have spent so much time calling ones stupid and crying favoritism?

You told EmpressGong she needs to come off her high horse, but maybe you should come off of your own.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: M-Dub on July 07, 2005, 07:12:42 PM
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bredrin  fiyah  once  again  your  assumptions  about  me  are  way  off  the  mark,  if  you  want  to  say  that  iam  blind  then  please  say  so  yourself,  but  i  myself  never    tell  any  one  that   iam  blind,


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others  that  it  is  white  or  yellow  or  brown,  but  because  iam  colour  blind  i  cannot  see  any  colour...


By blinding yourself to color you have blinded yourself from the knowledge that can be gained off of the previous reasoning. If you are just going to argue, perhaps you should shut this down as sistren Carla stated. Don't let your blind eye blind others from gaining from the reasoning of others.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 07, 2005, 07:48:42 PM
greetings  empress carla,  your  assumptions  that  i  spend  my  time  calling  people  stupid  on  this  forum  is  wrong,  it  would  be  wrong  of  me,  i  was  not  crying  when  I  say  that  there  is  faveoritism  among  some  on  this  forum  just  stating  a  fact,  you  say  this  tread  should  be  shut  down  because  there  is  no  reasoning  going  on,  if  you  have  some  better  reasoning  than  what  is  going  on  please  shear  it  with  us,  like  your  self  m dub  is  saying  the  same  thing,  saying  that  iam  argueing  when  all  that  iam  doing  it  reasoning  because  that  what  rasta  do  we  reason,  you  must  be  on  a  very  high  horse  your  self  empress,  i  doubt  if  you  read  what  empress  gong  said  for  me  to  tell  her  to  get  off  her  high  horse, your  not  the  only  person  who  is  reading  this  reasoning,  you  and  m  dub  might  want  an  end  to  this  topic  but  lots  more  people  are  following  the  reasoning  apart  from  yourself  and  m  dub,  m  dub  i  did  not  say  i  cannot  see  colour  with  my  physical  eye,  but  a  man  have  an  inner  eye  and  when  this  eye  is  open  it  does  not  see  things  in  colour  like  the  physical  eye  does,  one  love  RASTAFARI
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: EmpressCarla on July 07, 2005, 08:23:56 PM
Bredren, why I gotta be on a high horse now? I didn't assume anything.

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if  we  follow  the  ways  of  those  who  see  god  as  white  by  saying  god  is  black  we  will  be  just  as  stupid  as  them,  


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like  i  say  before  those  people  who  potrayed  god  as  white  are  stupid  people,  and  those  who  say  that  god  is  black  are  just  as  stupid  if  fact  they  are  more  stupid,  


Those are your words. It is one thing to believe others are ignorant. Ignorance means someone simply doesn't know. Stupidity implies lack of logic or rationality. No one here is stupid if they can cite logical reasons for their conclusions.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Jah_Prophet_I_Man on July 08, 2005, 12:54:52 AM
[glb]Greeting in the name of the most high Jah Ras Tafar I.
I am glad that this is the subject of my first post here at Rasta Nicks forum. First of all I would like to thank Rasta Nick for creating a place for US to build on knowledge. Much respect brother.
Now onto the subject at hand. I am actually quite sickened by the thought process of my brothers and sisters here who have responded to such an ignorant question. Truth be told brothers and sisters, and as I speak these words to you my love for Jah bids me to humbly ask your forgiveness for my boldness, but my understanding of Jah almighty makes me bold. Sight? Is Jah black? Is Jah white? Ignorance is at work here, and ignorance is the foothold of evil. Do not be so concerned with such trivial information. If Jah is purple it does NOT matter! Jah created all humans in Jah's image. This doesnt mean the way we look it means our ability to love, forgive, laugh, cry, and smile. InI know this much is true, the trivial pursuit of answers to ignorant questions makes the fire of Jahs anger swell up and consume the inquisitor in confusion. That is why this ignorant question has brought only ignorant answers. The truth is Jah is NOT black or white. The holy word of the prophets tells us Jah is so pure and so good that no mans eyes can look upon him, any who would try will find himself stricken with blindness. A blindness that is not without just cause, any man who cares so much for the visage of Jah cares little for the all that Jah stands for. Sight?
Also I am brought to the point of rage seeing the name Allah used to refer to Jah almighty. Allah is a young god and a heathen god. The god of the sons of Ishmael son of Abram and Hagar. He is NOT Jah, the one true God of Israel, the God of Isac son of Abram and Sari. To allow Jah, whom I love so dear, to be desecrated in such a way would be a great sin on my part and that is why I have chosen to speak up on the matter. I am hoping to make many friends with my brothers and sisters here on the forum but know this. I will not be silent and allow racism and bigotry to run rampant on a site which bares the title of RASTA!!! I will speak out against many of the misconceptions and lies which pass for truth here. JAHS WILL IS PEACE, LOVE, AND EQUALITY FOR ALLLLLL HIS CHILDREN. Sight?
The time is now when a color of a mans skin means as little as the color of his eyes. Live Up Rastas, or at least try.[/glb]
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 08, 2005, 10:13:35 AM
brother  prophet,  you  seem  like  you  miss  the  point  of  this  topic,  iam  not  saying  god  is  black  or  white,  but  there  are  others  in  the  world  an  also  on  this  forum  who  believe  so,  i  was  simpley  asking  those  who  believe  so  to  explain  why  they  believe so,  empress  in  this  world  every  thing  is  of  a  positive  an  negative  nature  logic  is  like  that  as  well,  those  who  are  doing  wrong  can  give  you  a  logical  an  rational  reason  for  doing  wrong,  just  because  they  can  do  this  dosen  make  them  right,  the  people  who  behave  like  this  is  the  ones  iam  refering  to  as  stupid,  i  know  that  jah  never  created  any  man  stupid  but  because  we  have  choice  some  of  us  choose  to  behave  stupid,  liveing  by  negative  logic  and  negative  rationality,  fiyah  again  i  will  say  your  assumptions  that  if  selassie  never  manifest  i  would  not  be  saying   RASTAFARI  in  this  time  is  wrong,  i  can  say  what  i  want  in  this  time  simpley  because  of  the  will  of  jah,  the  movement  of  RASTAFARI  is  not  just  about  reasoning  on  a  computer  nither  has  it  ever  been  for  just  people  who  believe  that  selassie  is  god,  surley  iam  not  the  first  ras  that  you  meet  that  tell  you  that  man  is  not  god,  god  dwell  in  selassie  like  he  does  in  everyone  else,  god  is  in  man  but  man  is  not  god,  and  fiyah  iam  not  the  one  following  babylon   church  and  christian  mentality,  it  is  those  who  believe  that  selassie  is  god  that  follow  the  ways  of  babylon  they  use  the  bible    to  justify  this  claim,  they  are  experts  in  holy  books  and  HIS  STORY,  have  great  knowledge  about  selassie  and  jesus,  but  they  dont  know  their  ownself,  iam  not  hear  to  fight  against  RASTAFARI  but  to  fight  for  RASTAFARI  the  ways  of  FARI  is  love  not  just  for  some,  some  times,  but  for  all,  at  all  times.  one  love  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Zipporah_O on July 08, 2005, 05:16:59 PM
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Blessed Love

Zipp
I don't don't know how you refer to Yah as He and then say He has no body. Where is there that Jah is not?
Also it is not that Black is the complete absence of color. White reflects most of the visual colors of light. Where as Black absorbs them. One cannot see light and not see color! Life cannot exist without color. People who do not know this is living in ignorance. Seeing Color is not division it is perception.

I refer to Yah as He for the same reason as the Hebrews, b/c there is no neutral gender in the language -- everything must be either masculine or feminine. In English, yes we have a neutral gender, but it is not used when referring to a being or entity, only objects. To refer to Yah as "It" just sounds kind of blasphemous. Forgive my ignorance, i am fairly new to this, so is there an accepted neutral way of referring to Yah in Rastafari? If so, i will certainly use it.
I agree that there is nowhere Yah is not. Yah is everywhere, within and without, permeating all Creation. But not limited by it.
Also i agree about seeing colour... i was not tryin to say that we should not see colour, it is an important and beautiful part of Yah's Creation and Yah made it for a reason, obviously. But in the reasoning i follow,  it is impossible for us to know what colour Yah is or is not, b/c all we can see are the Glory and the created manifestations of Yah, which are all different. So yes, Yah could be black, or white, or whatever... but what i say is, if the reflected Glory is blinding light, then how can the Source be black? Black absorbs all the light, that's what a black hole is in space, so there would be no blinding Glory. If i am wrong, please show i how.

One Love.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: M-Dub on July 08, 2005, 05:30:36 PM
A neutral term for Jah is Jah.


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So yes, Yah could be black, or white, or whatever... but what i say is, if the reflected Glory is blinding light, then how can the Source be black? Black absorbs all the light, that's what a black hole is in space, so there would be no blinding Glory. If i am wrong, please show i how.


This has already been answered:

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White reflects most of the visual colors of light. Where as Black absorbs them. One cannot see light and not see color!


One

Jah bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Tottenham on July 08, 2005, 06:18:29 PM
I agree completely with Jah Prophet I man.Fiyah u stress the importance of not concentrating on religion/the names of religion yet u spend so long debating whether God is balck.
Does it matter?
I think that the colour of God is a trivial matter.God is the spirit/the creator.He has no form.This is why in Islam God is never drawn. I do not believe that Jesus is God.Therefore I do not believe that God can be and was rightly portrayed as a white man.Jesus was a prophet.
I c what Ital is trying 2 say.I think that he just means that the colour of God should not matter, but has been misunderstood/has worded his posts slightly harsh.I defend him beacause it seems that everyone has been attacking him.
Saying this I enjoy reading the posts.They are usually full of wisdom.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: EmpressCarla on July 08, 2005, 07:32:51 PM
I don't think anyone within this debate/reasoning is trying to limit God to just one color. If that is all some can understand from these posts, then they are missing the point. And I think the reason why some cannot understand is because they don't truly see God as being within them, being within everything.

For me, color is not of the utmost importance in my relationship with the creator. However, the topic at hand is how one sees their creator. I see my creator as a reflection of myself, whilst also knowing that the creator is SO much more than myself. Yet everything that I am and was and will be is my creator living and experiencing through me. Why wouldn't my creator be black if I am black? Why wouldn't my creator have a feminine aspect if I am feminine? For it to be contained within me, it has to be contained within the creator. Yet the creator is that which I am and that which I am not.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: staci on July 08, 2005, 07:47:35 PM
EmpressCarla just stated simply what everyone here has been saying.  Everyone seems to be repeating themselves to prove a point to Ital.  Not that its been an argument just that some are not reading the posts throughly.  Everyone is agreeing on the same thing. LOL.  We all view the spirit and even that word which i described JAH, YAH, God, Allah (and those as well) are different for everyone.  You see this is how all our views are the same.  It is through our differences that we can see the similarities.  Seen?  I myself do not view my creator as a male or a female.  I see my creator when the blue birds and the red birds gather together on the light pole, when i see a rainbow,  just before a storm and rite after,  or when a stranger helps you seemingy out of nowhere, or when a friend makes our crappy day a little bit better and when my little weiner dog is sleeping curled up next to my side, awww.  I see my creator everyday all around me, i breath, sleep and eat in the presence of this being which breaths, sleeps and eats with everyone else in this world. ONE.

"Light is a higher frequency of the same energy. All is perception! Bless."-Fiyahbun.
yes perception is the keyword.

onelove
respectforall
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: joeyb on July 09, 2005, 12:01:59 AM
Sorry All, I am getting a little confused here.
If God was a colour, He would be black because black is the ultimate colour - it absorbs them all. But if they are varying degrees of energy, sound, light etc., couldn't someOne reason that Jah was a higher energy (the highest.) This reinforces: "Jah is beyond colour." And yes, Jah is colour, He is creation - but there is an important distinction to make. Creation: which is a part of God, is colour (the culmunation of all colour manifested as black) i.e. from darkness comes light: but we must also say that God the Creator is beyond colour: because He is beyond light energy. I am making any sense.

Anyway, my confusion comes in that some seem to be addressing whether God is the colour black and others whether He is the race: black. The colour I can reason with: but I'm struggling seem Him as the race: black, because there is so much more to race than just colour. perhaps I am simply confused: I'd love to hear your thoughts pon this.

OneLove
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Jah_Prophet_I_Man on July 09, 2005, 03:34:25 AM
I see Ezu, the devil at work here. To even try to visualize Jah the spiritual creator of all life is truely to belittle his magnificants. There is no reading into the situation Jah is to great to be any race, color or given material manifestation. open your eyes to the big picture that is Jah.Sight?
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 09, 2005, 07:29:25 AM
bredrin  fiyah  i  know  you  did  not  use  any  book  in  reference  to  selassie,  i  was  making  a  statement  myself,  to  justify  the  claim  that  selassie  is  who  they  claim  him  to  be  they  have  to  use  the  bible,  in  the  bible  according  to  them  the  lineage  of  selassie  can  be  trace  back  to  king  david  linage  in  isreal,  the  same  isrelites  that  claim  that  they  are  god  chosen  people,  these  are  the  ones  that  come  to  africa  with  the  bible  claming   that  god  has  reveal  certian  truths  to  them  because  they  are  the  chosen  ones,  it  must  have  been  them  isrelites  and  others  like  themselves  who  set  themselves  up  as  kings  and  queens  over  the  rest  of  us,  so  while  i  know  that  you  did  not  use  the  bible  to  refer  to  selassie  fiyah,  iam  saying  that  i  have  reason  with  enough  rasta  bredrins  to  have  a  good  idea  of  what  the  mojority  think,  an  the  bible  is  their  guide,  the  same  bible  that  babylon  give  to  us  claming  it  is  the  word  of  god,  again  i  will  repeat  the  word  of  god  is  within  human  beings,  but  babylon  come  along  and  convince  us  that  we  should  never  trust  our  ownselves,  just  have  faith  in  the  words  that  he  himself  has  written  in  his  own  book  witch  he  call  the  holy  bible,  i  will  say  this  about  the  bible  like  every  thing  else  in  this  life  it  is  of  a  positive  and  negative  nature  if  one  intention  is  not  honest  they  will  get  lost  in  the  bible,  but  if  one  intention  is  true  then  one  can  link  with  the  positive  within  the  bible,  empress  conscience  dwell  within  male  and  female,  but  is  nither  male  or  female,  its  in  the  black  and  the  white  but  is  nither  black  nor  white,  its  in  the  yellow  an  the  brown  but  is  nither  brown  nor  yellow,  jah  is  different  from  his  creation,  every  thing  that  man  create  is  different  from  himself  likewise  with  jah,  so  if  jah  did  have  a  colour  it  is  none  of  the  ones  that  we  know  of,  if  any  man  truely  knows  that  god  is  within  his  own  being  why  would  he  then  put  more  trust  in  the  bible  than  in  his  own  being.  one  love  to  all  who  live  on  planet  earth  RASTAFARI.
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Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: EmpressCarla on July 09, 2005, 01:15:56 PM
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empress  conscience  dwell  within  male  and  female,  but  is  nither  male  or  female,  its  in  the  black  and  the  white  but  is  nither  black  nor  white,  its  in  the  yellow  an  the  brown  but  is  nither  brown  nor  yellow,

I never said conscience was male or female. I said my creator has a "feminine aspect." Bredren ital, you keep saying these things, but I have yet to read your proof as to why you believe these things. You keep saying what God is not. Since no one has ever seen the "face" of God, or Conscience (since that seems to be your God), can you explain to me your surety?


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jah  is  different  from  his  creation,  every  thing  that  man  create  is  different  from  himself  likewise  with  jah,  
I agree that everything one creates is distinctly different from the creator. However, the creation is still a part of the creator. It came from within the creator. The creator INvisioned it and then made it. Please tell me, how can one envision something that is not within? How can you see something and know it intimately if it is not a part of you?

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so  if  jah  did  have  a  colour  it  is  none  of  the  ones  that  we  know  of,  if  any  man  truely  knows  that  god  is  within  his  own  being  why  would  he  then  put  more  trust  in  the  bible  than  in  his  own  being.  one  love  to  all  who  live  on  planet  earth  RASTAFARI.

Why not, ital? Why is Jah not a part of His creation, at all? And personally, I don't put more trust in the Bible or any other book than in myself. Jah is my guide. All the time. Yet I know that Jah provides revelations in myriad ways. So if a revelation comes while reading the Bible, I give Ises to Jah for the revelation. If it comes from reasoning with a bredren, again, give thanks. If it comes from prayer and supplication, it's STILL all good. So my trust is not in one book. It's in the Most High. That which lives and breaths within me, yet is profoundly greater than me. So I don't lean to my own understanding. I search the Christ within, which is also without! So the vibes of Jah all around are significant to me. Yet so are the vibes of Jah within. Everyone and everything is a divine contribution and reflection of Jah. So I see the divinity within myself as well as ALL.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: EmpressCarla on July 09, 2005, 03:13:33 PM
Just wanted to add that if you look at all of creation, it comes from within. One cannot create anything that is not intimately within the creator.

How does a man and wombman create a baby? It takes the man's seed and the wombman's egg to blend before creation of a baby can occur. Both have to give something from within themselves. Thus, something from within the creator(s) has to be a part of the creation. It has to come from within! Therefore it has to be a part of the Creator. In some way.

I know ones will say that this is an example of physical creation and as such does not apply to God. So let's also examine creation from a spiritual perspective. How does the Third Eye begin to see? How does one awaken to their spirituality? One has to look within. One has to pay attention to Jah's guidance (also within) to become aware of their higher spiritual selves. It is only through introspection, through challenging and examining ones beliefs and behaviors and morals can one determine what is righteous for themselves. Through this process of awakening of the spiritual self, one creates a new self. When your thoughts change, eventually your actions change. Thus, creating a "new you".

ital, you said on some other post somewhere that you used to drink and womanize and whatever else. But when you began to listen to conscience, you realized that you should live better. There was a new man created from within, right? Since you follow no man, your new self was not created by something outside of you. Creation came from within. Jah guided you into a new creation. But how could that even happen, if the new spirit man was not birthed from within? How can the "new you" come to be without it first being a part of conscience? Where does it begin? Thin air? Or was there a seed planted? And if so, from whence did it come?

Be blessed.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: TREE-NATTY on July 10, 2005, 11:47:12 PM
E.M.HTP!!!

I really wasn't going to say nothing but the empress said something so that give me a reason!

Empress there is nothing wrong with you using physical creation as a metaphor for all creation. All creation is the same, so your example was perfect!

Ital change is from influcence. Period. Its not from a change within. Why? Because when them change from Rasta that will be the real change! Sorry but all of yall are going thru a period. A period of curious looking. A period of when someone you love will show you another way. And you'll follow it. Because they are from your blood and you trust them. So I really don't beast anymore for your so-called reasoning. Teenagers are a rare breed of rasta that actucally have no say in nothing in the real world. So all this talking is about ones who know not the truth so they make astromonical suggestions to be heard and not fully overstand what their actucally saying. I have this wisdom and knowledge that most teenagers in here seek. But they fight because as all teenagers think they know everything. I'm the guy who can prove that you DON'T!!! So I'm the bad guy! So be it but I will always call out that most of all of you don't know nothing about nothing and you pretend you do. Most of you haven't even stepped out your own countries by yourself. And you know what spritiuality is! Psssssh please you know nothing!!! And TREE-NATTY said it. But the thing is you don't listen to the ones who do know! That's your problem!!! And you need to deal with it! I have personally put enough info. On this forum to feed the people! Still dem belly fully but dem hungry! Stiff neck fools!
If this thread was centre on the Empress's most of you guys would overstand the answer you seek! But you won't except because you still saying prayers to the devil! Man isn't god! An african woman is the trusest creator you are looking for but your trying to overstand in a western mind when its being presented to you in a Eastern philosophy! all of you except the woman are acting like ignorant, c*ck heads! And you're thinking with that too! And all these women are going to do is expose it! GOD is black psssh! I'm looking for his mama! Once you find her you know! As I said before heaven is between a African woman legs and you wonder what GOD looks like? Look at heaven! That should give you an idea. You dummys!


HRU

P.S
And be mad! this whole thread got me mad!!!!!
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 11, 2005, 05:13:29 AM
greetings  empress  i  know  you  did  not   say  conscience  was  male  or  female,  i  it  was  that  was  saying  that  conscience  dwell  within  male  and  female,  but  is  nither  male  or  female,  if  your  asking  me  to  proof  that  conscience  or  jah  exist  i  can    do  that,  if  you  ask  me  for  the  evidence  that  a  cup  exist  all  i  have  to  do  is  show  you  a  cup,  an  that  no  problem  because  the  cup  is  a  physical  thing,  but  as  you  know  life  is  not  just  physical  it  is  also  spiritual,  the  conscience,  is  not  a  physical  thing  but  just  because  it  is  not  a  physical  thing  does  not  mean  that  we  cant  proof  that  it  exist,  you  have  hear  the  saying  they  have  ears  to  hear  yet  they  do  not  hear  eyes  to  see  yet  they  do  not  see,  your  right  empress  every  thing  does  start  from  within  because  every  thing  is  within,  but  to  get  within  is  not  as  easy  as  most  people  think  everyone  is  saying  look  within  know  yourself  but  they  dont  let  you  know  that  you  cant  look  within  untill  you  bring  order  to  your  life  out  side,  example  if  your  a  thief  to  look  within  you  must  stop  stealing  one  must  try  their  best  to  live  an  honest  life,  in  my  opinion  what  really  count  is  the  intention  of  the  person,  if  the  intention  is  honest  it  opens  the  true  way  within,  only  when  we  open  the  way  within  our  own  being  will  we  be  able  to  understand  clearly  if  the  speaker  is  speaking  the  truth,  at  the  end  of  the  day  the  speaker  is  not  the  truth  conscience  is,  the  listner  is  also  bless  with  conscience  as  well,  if  the  listener  intention  in  his  or  her  life  is  to  live  good  with  their  fellow  human  beings,  they  too  would  have  open  up  the  way  within  and  should  have  no  problems  understanding   conscience  when  it  speak  trough  another,  because  they  themselves  are  always  reasoning  with  conscience  within  their  own  self,  another  saying  i  use  to  hear,  you  shall  know  them  by  the  fruits  that  they  produce,  well  my  fruits  are  the  words  of  truth  that  cometh  out  of  my  mouth,  please  dont  take  any  offence  in  any  of  my  reasoning  with  you  empress,  i  know  that  your  not  doing  so  but  i  still  like  you  to  know  that  i  mean  no  offence  in  any  of  my  post  either  to  yourself  or  anyone  else,  in  my  heart  we  are  all  brothers  and  sisters  of  planet  earth,  you  might  not  like  my  reasoning,  but  what  kind  of  a  man  would  i  be  if  i  did  speak  about  the  things  that  i  know  myself  if  i  know  that  god  is  within  my  ownself  then  why  should  i  not  trust  totally  in  the  god  that  is  within  my  own  self,  natty  you  sound  to  me  as  if  it  is  you  that  is  the  crack  head,  your  post  dont  sound  like  the  postings  of  a  reasonable  man,  but  it  soud  like  the  rant  of  a  crack  head,  if  my  words  sound  harsh  to  you,  i  will  say  this  to  you  if  you  live  inna  glass  house  dont  throw  stones,  one  love  to  all  who  live  on  planet  earth  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: EmpressCarla on July 11, 2005, 01:32:16 PM
ital, no offense taken...except for that "stupid" comment.   [smiley=wink.gif]  Seriously though. I raspect your opinion. And I am new to this, so I want to learn. But I can't just agree with you that you speak truth. One has to feel it within, to know it for themselves. And on this topic I see your point. But I just feel it's not the whole truth. You have been adamant about god being colorless and I still want to know why it is incorrect for me to see my own blackness as a reflection of Jah. I know that Jah is beyond color, yet that doesn't necessarily make color insignificant. Everyone keeps saying that color doesn't matter, as if it's some ugly family secret. Why shouldn't all celebrate whatever color they are? And is so doing, we bless Jah for however he created us. It's ALL good. And it's all God!

Should color blind us and taint our views? No. That is the mistake of the "stupid" men who worshipped a white god. They couldn't see God as any other color. But until and unless we stop denying color, our views will still be tainted. They won't take into account the totality of a person, of all people. The same way you might deal with a female differently than you'd deal with a male, why would color not just be another variation on knowing? We are all the same as humans, but we're not all the same...if that makes sense.

So I still say my God is black! Now you prove to me why that is an impossibility. And just saying that God is a spirit is not enough.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Raszeb on July 11, 2005, 03:39:57 PM
I aree with the person that said that heaven is between the black womans legs but I don't think that necessarily mean that that is god. I think it is god that have to plant the seed.

Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 11, 2005, 06:27:22 PM
greetings  empress,  i  totally  agree  with  most  of    your  post,  why  should  you  just  agree  with  me  that  iam  speaking  the  truth,  like  i  try  to  explain  ital  is  not  the  truth,  the  truth  is  conscience  and  conscience  reside  in  all  of  us  so  each  need  to  know  them  self,  when  iam  reasoning  i  do  not  expect  everyone  to  understan  and  agree  with  what  iam  saying,  iam  like  a  farmer  who  so  seeds,  seeds  do  not  grow  straight  away,  likewise  with  reasoning   what  you  dont  understand  now  you  might  next  year,  jah  never  just  created  man  alone  animals  plants  an  all the  rest  are  all  part  of  jah  creation,  but  i  would  not  make  the  mistake  and  think  that  either  a  plant  or  an  animal  is  god,  man  is  a  higher  animal   and  i  cant  see  how  a  man  can  be  god   or  even  god  be  the  same  colour  as  the  man,  i  cannot  proof  to  you  that  god  is  not  black,  that  you  must  see  for  yourself,  all  i  can  do  is  state  my  reasons  why  i  know  that  god  is  not  black  or  white,  so  if  you  feel  and  know  that  god  is  black  you  must  stick  by  what  you  know  untill  the  day  comes  when  you  know  better,  and  if  your  not  sure  if  god  is  black  it  is  up  to  you  to  find  out  one  love  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: EmpressCarla on July 11, 2005, 06:47:39 PM
Well that about sums it up, ital! Each must seek Jah for themselves to find out who and what Jah is. Whilst also knowing that none of us can ever fully know Jah. He is too great.

And as for heaven being found between the African woman's legs, if anything it is the womb that is heaven.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Tottenham on July 11, 2005, 07:24:01 PM
I agree with Empress Carla's last point.
All of us visualize God in a different way.I do not think that it is right to insist that God is black, just as it is not right to insist he is white or brown. Each to their own.Whatever it takes to give them faith and hope.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: M-Dub on July 11, 2005, 07:39:01 PM
To say one bears pure truth is incorrect. Only Jah bears truth which is undisputed. What may be truth to some may not be truth to others. It is all in perception. This was the point brought up in the first place. Jah is color and beyond color, it is all in perception. I am not arguing with anyone by stating this, as some blind themselves to everything outside of their "truth". The real truth is, we do not hold all answers. We will never be completely right and we will never be completely wrong.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Trichomey on July 11, 2005, 10:42:39 PM
I don't really see what it matters what color JAH is...
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 12, 2005, 04:35:20 AM
greetings  empress,  while  i  agree  with  you  that  we  cannot  compleatly  know  jah,  that  does  not  mean  that  we  cannot  know  the  ways  of  jah,  even  thou  two  people  know  each  other,  they  still  do  not  compleatly  know  each  other,  but  they  will  still  know  a  lot  about  each  other  ways,  and  if  we  know  each  other  well  enough  and  i  hear  someone  else  discribe  you  differently  from  the   way  that  i  know  that  your  are  i  would  know  that  they  speak  about  you  but  they  dont  really  know  you,  so  while  i  agree  that  jah  is  too  great  for  us  to  compleatly  understand,  i  know  that  as  sons  an  daughters  ot  jah  our  father  is  not  too  great  for  us  to  know,  bredrin  m  dub,  i  have  never  claim  in  any  of  my  post  on  this  forum  that  either  myself  or  anyother  man  that  i  know,  knows  the  compleat  truth,  but  i  have  make  the  claim  that  i  do  know  the  one  that  does  know  the  compleat  truth  that  one  is  conscience,  so  as  a  man  i  know  in  my  heart  that  iam  not  perfect,  i    live  my   life    working  on  my  menny  faults,  but  i  do  know  perfection,  and  perfection  is  what  conscience  is,  i  do  not  know  conscience  compleatly  but  i  know  conscience  well  enough  to  know  its  ways.  one  love  to  all  who  live  on  planet  earth  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Izreal on July 12, 2005, 06:57:50 AM
I & I don know God black. Dem white bwoy have dem white god and uno have mi black God. God is whatever color you want him to be because God is who you want him to be and I&I black cause god make me black and I in turn make him black Seen???

RASTA MAN LIVE UP
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: EmpressCarla on July 12, 2005, 01:40:53 PM
Bredren ital, I agree that when you know someone you can never know all facets of them but you can know their ways. Yet others can know that same person and know them in different ways. Ways you may not be familiar with. It's all based on what that person chooses to reveal to each one. My work life and home life are very different. At work, I am in a leadership position. Yet at home, I am the baby of the family. Both groups know me, but they see different sides of me. Yet it is all me.

So you may know Jah in one way, but that doesn't necessarily mean that you have a deeper knowing. Then again, maybe you do. But it is yet to be seen. All I see is that you just know in a different way. I know Jah too, and He has revealed himself to me in a different way.

Incidentally, I just wanted to add that someone mentioned on this thread that to apply color to Jah is to confine and limit Jah. But I see it as the other way around. To assume that Jah can only be without color is the real limitation of Jah. For Jah is ALL.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 12, 2005, 05:33:50 PM
greetings  empress,  i  agree  two  people  can  see  the  same  person  in  a  different  way  and  it  does  not  matter  if  the  person  who  know  you  is  good  or  bad,  but  with  jah  things  are  different  because  you  can  only  know  jah  by  liveing  good,  so  two  wise  men  do  not  see  god  differently  jah  is  the  same  no  matter  who  knows  him,  and  all  who  know  jah  know  jah  as  one,  for  instance  the  mystic  of  all  the  differents  religions  see  jah  in  the  same  way,  to  know  a  next  human  being  you  dont  have  to  live  a  moral  life,  but  if  you  want  to  know  jah  you  must  do  so,  those  who  do  this  see  jah  in  the  same  way,  so  if  some  one  say  any  thing  about  jah  that  is  not  true  the  wise  man  know  he  does  not  know  jah,  because  only  those  who  are  striveing  to  live  a  moral  life  can  know  jah.  one  love  RASTAFARI.  and  just  because  i  address  my  post  to  you  does  not  men  my  post  is  about  you  personally  none  of  my  post  are  personal  iam  talking  to  anyone  with  a  computer.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: M-Dub on July 12, 2005, 05:38:23 PM
To two men, wise or not, Jah can appear completely different. All huemans will have different perceptions on different things. Jah is always the same, mans perception is always different.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: EmpressCarla on July 12, 2005, 07:10:13 PM
People are aware of Jah based on their level of spiritual consciousness, and everyone is at differing levels. Some will have a higher truth than others. So how can you know that ALL wise men see Jah the same? ital, I am sure you know Jah intimately through your conscience. But do you know all there is to know of Jah? Has Jah revealed all of Himself to you? Because if not, then how do you know you have the exact same revelation as another? If their's is different than yours, are they the un-wise one?

I agree with you that all wise men will know Jah. But I don't necessarily believe they'll know Jah exactly the same. Yes, all resolves back to the One. But there are different ways of seeing the same thing. (Hence, the beauty of color!) The Khamitians see the One, the NTR. But they also see the various aspects of the One individually as well. Are they wrong? Are they not wise?

All resolves back to the One.

Be blessed.

Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: joeyb on July 12, 2005, 08:13:31 PM
"To two men, wise or not, Jah can appear completely different. All huemans will have different perceptions on different things. Jah is always the same, mans perception is always different." - M-DUB

                                                      -

"I agree with you that all wise men will know Jah. But I don't necessarily believe they'll know Jah exactly the same." - EmpressCarla

                        great words! both sides have great reasoning,
                        but this diplomacy is pure.

OneLove
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 13, 2005, 04:41:10 AM
greetings,  if  some  thing  is  wrong,  two  wise  man  has  got  to  see  that  it  is  wrong,  one  cannot  claim  that  from  his  perceptions  the  wrong  thing  is  right,  if  i  break  into  your  home  that  is  wrong  even  if  someone  comes  along  and  claim  that  from  their  perception  it  is  right  to  do  so,  wrong  is  wrong  no  matter    how  you  preceive  it,  empress  i  have  allredy  explain  that  i  do  not  know  jah  compleatly,  and  i  do  not  know  the  whole  truth,  but  i  know  who  knows  the  whole  truth  an  that  is  conscience,  there  is  no  high  or  low  truth  in  conscience  just  truth,  and  conscience  is  not  different  in  you  and  me  it  is  the  same  in  all.  one  love  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 13, 2005, 02:28:54 PM
greetings  fiyah,  i  do  not  believe  that  it  was  jah  law  that  say  that  the  fittest  of  the  fittest  shall  survive,  that  law  must  be  one  of  the  devil,  the  strongest  must  help  the  weakest  in  jah  law,  if  your  strong  in  life  and  you  use  your  stenght  to  abuse  those  who  are  weaker  than  yourself,  you  show  yourself  not  to  be  strong  but  to  be  weak,  how  can  two  wise  men  have  different  moral  code,  if  they  did  then  one  of  them  is  not  wise,  conscience  is  the  teacher  of  moral  code  not  wise  men,  we  as  men  might  hold  different  opinions  on  the  samething,  but  in  conscience  every  thing  is  one,  we  are  animals,  the  differents  between  us  an  a  dog  is this  the  dog  has  no  choice  but  to  live  a  dog  life,  we  on  ther  hand  can  choose  to  live  like  a  dog  or  live  a  spiritual  life,  most  choose  to  live  and  behave  like  animals  not  knowing  that  they  are  more  than  animals, the  wicked  too  claim  truth,  if  two  wise  men  cannot  see  the  same  truth  then  they  are  not  wise,  no  matter  what  precptions  one  have  of  the  sun,  the  sun  still  remain  the  sun,  if  one  man  claim  that  to  him  the  sun  is  black,  an  another  claim  that  to  him  it  was  green  all  that  would  mean  is  that  their  percsption  of  the  sun  is  wrong  and  the  sun  will  remain  as  it  is  regardless  of  our  wrong  perceptions,  the  fault  is  not  in  the  sun  but  in  ourown  perceptions  of  the  sun,  so  truth  is  truth  there  is  no  higher  or  lower  within  truth,  but  our  perceptions  of  truth  can  lead  us  to  believe  that  we  have  truth  that  is  higher  than  the  rest.  one  love  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: EmpressCarla on July 13, 2005, 02:30:50 PM
ital, we're not talking about breaking into someone's house. Of course that is wrong. One does not even need to be wise to know that. But what does that have to do with how one sees Jah? Why is your way right and another's way wrong if both still see Jah? I'm still trying to figure that out.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 13, 2005, 03:00:28 PM
greetings  empress,  if  two  people  claim  that  they  know  you  but  one  of  them  say  that  your  a  man  and  the  other  say  that  your  a  woman,  then  some  thing  is  wrong,  maybe  one  of  them  dont  really  know  you  because  if  they  did  they  would  know  that  your  not a man,  jah  is  one  how  can  jah  be  different  to  each  of  us  if  a  man  say  that  a  house  was  jah,  should  we  say  that  he  is  right  according  to  his  prectptions,  i  would  rather  tell  him  that  he  is  wrong  because  jah  is  not  bricks  and  stones  even  thou  jah  created  brick  an  stones,  rastas,  christians,  muslims,  hindus  and  all  the  rest  of  religions  can  claim  that  they  all  have  a  different  precption  of  jah  as  if  jah  is  different  to  each  man,  look  at  the  sun  it  is  the  same  for  all  and  the  heat  that  it  gives  off  is  for  all,  now  look  within  yourself,  conscience  shines  its  light  on  all  it  does  not  teach  you  differently  from  how  it  teaches  any  one  else,  empress  the  house  breaking  was  just  use  as  an  example  noting  more,  the  house  breaker  can  know  me  and  you  but  he  cant  know  jah,  not  while  he  his  breaking  into  houses,  to  know  jah  he  must  first  stop  breaking  into  houses,  you  can  only  know  jah  when  you  start  to  behave  in  the  right  way,  thats  why  it  is  important  not  to  steal,  hate,  be  greedy  and  things  like  that  because  if  your  liveing  negatively  you  cant  know  jah.  one  love  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: M-Dub on July 13, 2005, 04:06:49 PM
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Ital like I say the truth is reveal to one based upon their level of consciousness. Their is truth and higher truth! The examples you give are lower truths that most can agree upon. If I say the river is deep and you ask I how deep and I say six feet. You might laught because your perception of deep is 60 feet. Yet we are both right. Survival of the fittests is natural law. It can be observed in nature. It is not the devils law. Yet man in order to be civilized must abide by higher standards and moral code.


Seen!

Ital you said wrong is wrong no matter how you perceive it. That statement in itself is false. Wrong to you isn't wrong to me and wrong to me isn't wrong to another, seen? You can dispute this all you like, but you'll prove my point even further, because to I, I am right, but to you, I am wrong, it is all perception.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 13, 2005, 04:55:18 PM
greetings  m  dub,  i  say  rape  is  wrong,  are  you  trying  to  asy  it  can  be  right  for  some  one  else,  how  could  rape  be  wrong  for  me  and  right  for  anyone  else,  fiyah  if  the  river  is  six  foot  deep  and  i  say  that  it  was  sixty  iam  wrong,  and  if  the  two  of  us  cannot  agree  on  the  dept  of  the  river  then  we  can  go  to  abration,   it  is  the  same  with  truth,  if  we  cannot  agree  we  can  go  to  a  third  party    that  third  party  is  conscience,  in  the  case  of  the  river  i  would  get  some  one  to  measure  the  true  dept,  then  both  of  us  will  know  the  true  dept  of  the  river,  m  dub  you  sound  like  fiyah  saying  all  is  preception,  like  you  say  fiyah  my  truths  are  lower  truths  yours  are  higher,  but  to  tell  you  the  truth  bredrin  i  would  rather  hold  on  to  my  lower  truths  that  unto  your  higher  truths,  one  love  RASTAFARI
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: EmpressCarla on July 13, 2005, 05:04:32 PM
Greetings ital, yes it's true I am not a man. So anyone who would say I am would be wrong. From a visual, physical and even spiritual perspective, I am female. My reflection is feminine. So there would be no reason for anyone to say I am male. Nothing about me supports that logic.

But from my spiritual perspective of Jah, I can see color and there is logic to support it. I won't restate it because it's already been said. I am still waiting on your logic as to why God is colorless, though. For God is ALL things.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: joeyb on July 13, 2005, 05:45:52 PM
"i  say  rape  is  wrong,  are  you  trying  to  asy  it  can  be  right  for  some  one  else,  how  could  rape  be  wrong  for  me  and  right  for  anyone  else"

so you believe that morality is absolute, and can be known through conscience?
- I have just finished off a three-piece meal and am almost full to the brim of my blubberous belly. I walk into a shop, distract the till attendant and steal a chocolate bar.
- I haven't eaten in days because I was driven from my home and job by militant seperatists. To survive, I walk into a shop, distract the till attendant and steal a chocolate bar. Now I will live.

morality: as is obvious: is not absolute. two parties can be differ even in performing the same act. the same goes for Jah-perception. one can see a black Jah, another a white Jah: it depends who we are. both follow their conscience and their conscience tell them different things.
Jah: it seems also, is not absolute: He is revelaed in many different ways.

OneLove
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 13, 2005, 06:12:59 PM
greetings  empress,  the  evidence  that  your  waiting  for  that  god  is  not  black  or  that  god  is  not  a  black  man,  has  alredy  been  presented  in  my  reasoning,  you  do  not  know  are  believe  in  the  evidence  that  i  have  produce  on  this  topic,  the  logic  that  jah  is  colorless  is  presented  in  my  reasoning  all  of  my  reasonings,  god  did  creste  all  things  but  that  does  not  mean  all  things  are  god, jah  created  the  fish  but  jah  is  not  a  fish,  would  you  say  god  is  a   brown  dog  just  because  the  brown  dog  is  god  creation,  so  why  has  god  got  to  be  black  just  because  he  created  blackness,  you  say  that  i  have  not  prove  that  god  is  not  black  to  you,  i  have  alredy  explain  to  you  that  i  cannot  do  so,  this  you  must  know  for  yourself,  the  question  is  god  black,  was  asked  because  empress  gong  an  fiyah  say  that  god  is  black,  tell  me  have  they  prove  to  you  that  god  is  black,  or  can  you  prove  it  to  me  that  jah  is  a  black  man,  just  like  how  your  not  convince  that  god  is  not  a  color,  iam  equally  convince  that  jah  is  not  black  or  white.  one  love  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: M-Dub on July 13, 2005, 06:29:26 PM
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are  you  trying  to  asy  it  can  be  right  for  some  one  else,  how  could  rape  be  wrong  for  me  and  right  for  anyone  else,


I know this is hard for you to overstand, but it is true. In some peoples eyes rape is right. This is why I am asking that you open your mind, then you will see the possibilities that exist. It is sad, but true.

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fiyah  if  the  river  is  six  foot  deep  and  i  say  that  it  was  sixty  iam  wrong,  and  if  the  two  of  us  cannot  agree  on  the  dept  of  the  river  then  we  can  go  to  abration,   it  is  the  same  with  truth,  if  we  cannot  agree  we  can  go  to  a  third  party    that  third  party  is  conscience,  in  the  case  of  the  river  i  would  get  some  one  to  measure  the  true  dept,  then  both  of  us  will  know  the  true  dept  of  the  river,


Before you were speaking of reasoning and defining it, but how can you reason when you didn't even properly read fiyah's words? This isn't what he was saying at all. Bredren Fiyah was saying that to one person, 60 feet is considered deep water, while to another person, their definition of deep water is 6 feet deep, they both have different perceptions.

Perception is common sense. Our eyes transmit part of what we see to our brain. Our brain then deciphers what is being seen and we make an opinion/judgement, etc. on what we see.

As InI said before, you may think you are right, I may think you are wrong, these thoughts are based on our perceptions.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: EmpressCarla on July 13, 2005, 06:34:11 PM
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just  like  how  your  not  convince  that  god  is  not  a  color,  iam  equally  convince  that  jah  is  not  black  or  white.  one  love  RASTAFARI.

Yep, it's all perception!

Be blessed.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 13, 2005, 06:49:42 PM
greetings  every  thing   is  precptions  like  your  all  claiming,  but  precption  is  not  truth,  prectiptions  can  be  wrong,  but  truth  is  truth  and  truth  can  never  be  wrong,   in  the  eyes  of  the  murderer  and  his  friends  murder  might  be  right,  but  it  is  clearly  wrong  in  my  site,  are  you  saying  that  those  who  think  that  rape  is  correct    is  allso  right,   one  love  RASTAFARI  
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 14, 2005, 04:20:09 AM
greetings  fiyah,  you  say  the  truths  that  iam  speaking  about  are  lower  truths  that  everyone  can  agree  with,  but  i  dont  really  see  anyone  here  agreeing  with  these  lower  truths,  for  instant  i  said  rape  was  wrong  witch  as  you  rightly  point  out  is  only  a  lower  truth  that  every  teenager  and  adult  should  understand,  yet  bredrin  m  dub  tell  me  that  rape  is  indeed   right  in  some  peoples  eyes,  iam  sure  others  read  his  post  yet  no  one  ask  the  brother  to  explain  how  this  could  be  so,  so  m  dub  can  you  please  explain  to  me  how  any  man  could  justify  rapeing  his  sister  or  his  mother,  because  the  woman  is  our  sister  and  our  mother,  you  said  before  fiyah  that  m  dub  was  speaking  from  his  conscience,  but  how  can  a  man  of  conscience  really  think  that  rape  can  be  right  in  the  site  of  some, i  could  have  used  the  word  kill  instead  of  murder,  but  i  know  that  in  some  situation  we  have  to  kill,  but  no  matter  what  situation  we  find  ourself  in  we  dont  have  to  murder,  what  about  those  who  murder  themselves  and  others  in  london  are  we  to  say  that  their  perceptions  of  the  truth  might  be  right,  maybe  men  like  hitler  were  right  babylon  might  even  be  right.  one  love  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 14, 2005, 11:52:27 AM
greetings  ,  I  totally  agree  that  truth  is  reveal  to  one  according  to  their  level  of  consciousness,  but  the  leven  of  consciousness  that  one  attain,  depends  on  how  discipline  a life  one  is  liveing,  the  reasons  for  most  of  our  disagreement  is  not  like  some  say  that  iam  only  speaking  lower  truths,  if  i  was  doing  so  no  one  would  have  a  problem  understanding  lower  truths,  the  problems  is  not  because  the  truths  are  lower  it  is  because  they  are  higher,   the  highest  truth  is  within  because  the  spirit  of  jah  is  within,  only  those  who  have  raise  their  consciousness  by  liveing  a  moral  life  understand  this,  the  universe  is  one,  the  earth  is  one,  human  beings  are  one,  within  human  beings  dwell  the  one  spirit  that  is  why  you  cannot  hide  from  your  self  you  are  been  watch  by  the  terriable  and  dreadful  one  witch  in  this  time  i  call  RASTAFARI,  when  one  consciousness  is  not  high  enough  they  tend  to  realy  on  books  like  the  bible  instead  of  their  own  self,  noting  is  wrong  in  using  a  walking  stick  to  help  you  to  walk  if  you  have  something  wrong  with  your  legs,  but  the  moment  your  legs  get  better  you  should  put  away  your  stick  and  walk  on  your  own,  holy  books  are  like  walking  stick  they  are  for  those  who  have  difficulty  walking  in  this  life,  like  your  all  saying  it  all  depends  on  one  level  of  consciousness,  i  do  not  need  any  walking  stick,  iam  a  blackman  a  decendant  of  both  african  and  european  like  most  of  the  blacks  in  the  west,  a  lot  of  us  has  european  blood  because  our  foreparent  was  either  rape  or  went  willingly  with  europeans,  the  truth  that  iam  speaking  is  not  only  for  africans  and  european  but  for  all  those  who  live  on  planet  earth,  in  the  site  of  jah  everything  is  one,  when  you  reach  a  certin  level  of  consciousness  within  your  ownself  this  is  what  you  know,  it  is  not  me  who  need  to  raise  my  level  of  consciousness  to  understand  others,  but  others  need  to  raise  their  level  to  understand  me  i  know  that  one  that  is  within  all,  that  is  who  iam  following  that  is  my  teacher  and  my  walking  stick,  dont  make  the  mistake  and  think  that  iam  following  my  own  way,  the  way  is  not  mine  it  is  the  way  of  the  one  that  is  in  all  and  i  can  tell  anyman  this  it  is  the  only  way,  believe  me  when  one  discover   jah  within  their  own  being  you  can  never  get  any  more  conscious,  once  you  tune  in  you  can  start  listening  to  what  jah  is  saying,  instead  of  listening  to  what  others  claim  that  jah  is  saying,  your  understanding  of  this  reasoning  will  indeed  rest  like  your  all  rightly  saying  on  the  level  of  your  own  consciousness.  one  love  to  all  who  live  on  planet  earth  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 14, 2005, 01:08:30 PM
greetings  fiyah,  as  long  as  the  woman  make  it  clear  to  a  man  that  she  have  no  desire  to  have  sex  with  him,  if  he  goes  against  her  will  it  is  rape,  if  someone  else  arange  for  some  else  to  have  sex  with  their  own  daughter  without  her  concent  then  this  too  is  rape,  if  the  woman  give  herself  willing  that  is  not  rape,  but  if  it  is  against  her  will  then  its  most  certenly  rape,  come  on  sisters   where  are  you  are  you  all  going  to  sit  around  and  let  men  justify  rape,  get  on  your  computers  and  defend  your  self  against  rape.  one  love  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: M-Dub on July 14, 2005, 02:10:35 PM
ital, for me to explain how some justify rape is truly difficult as I do not think in that mindset.

Think of a suicide bomber, they believe what they are doing is right and justified. To you and I, it is not right to murder others, but to the suicide bomber, it is justified. In their perception it is alright, in ours, it is not, seen?

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 14, 2005, 03:01:21 PM
greetings,  the  rapist  and  murderer  might  justify  their  actions  as  right  according  to  their  precptions,  but  they  will  be  making  a  mastake  at  the  end  of  the  day  not  because  ital  say  so  but  because  the  truth  say  so  loud  and  clear,  maybe  those  who  sell  us  into  slavery  and  those  who  brought  us  thought  that  in  doing  so  they  were  correct  according  to  their  precptions,  but  the  fact  is  their  precptions  was  base  not  on  truth  but  ignorance,  that  is  what  a  lot  of  people  preception  is  base  on.  one  love  RASTAFARI
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: M-Dub on July 14, 2005, 03:16:59 PM
Yes, exactly.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 14, 2005, 03:29:24 PM
greetings  fiyah,  it  might  not  be  for  you  to  judge,  but  i  must  make  judgements  if  iam  going  to  understand  those  of  ignorant  precption,  those  who  put  their  faith  in  the  bible  say  that  one  should  judge,  but  my  faith  in  not  in  my  bible  it  is  in  the  christ  within  my  own  being,  and  that  christ  within  says  that  a  man  must  make  judgements,  if  my  judgements  are  right  then  iam  not  the  one  makeing  them   the  truth  is,  all  iam  doing  is  reflecting  the  truth,  just  like  how  a  mirror  reflect  sun  light,  the  mirror  is  not  the  sun  light,  well  iam  not  the  truth  but  i  can  still  reflect  truth.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: M-Dub on July 14, 2005, 03:56:19 PM
Judgement of others is only for Jah Almighty. He who judges others will be judged equally by Jah. By calling others ignorant, you could be wrong and be guilty of ignorance yourself. No one is perfect, we all make mistakes.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 15, 2005, 05:34:57 AM
greetings,  if  two  people  know  the  truth,  but  one  of  them  have  the  higher truth,  the  one  with  the  lower  truth  should  at  least  be  to  see  that  the  one  with  the  higher  truth  is  right,  and  that  the  wish  of  the  one  with  the  higher  truth  is  to  rise  him  up  to  the  higher  truth,  you  know  like  a  man  like  jesus  he  had  higher  truths  so  those  with  lower  truth  should  listen  to  his  words  and  obay  them  if  they  want  to  reach  the  higher  truths,  or  like  you  say  fiyah  rise  his  consciousness  so  he  too  can  see  the  higher  truth,  ital  is  just  a  name,  it  is  not  me  i  was  alredy  some  one  before  my  mother  give  me  the  name  paul  so  if  iam  not  a  name  who  iam  i,  that  my  bredrins  is  what  iam  seeking  to  understand  in  this  life,  every  one  might  think  that  they  know  who  they  are,  but  believe  knowing  who  your  goes  a  lot  deeper  than  your  name.  one  love  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 15, 2005, 10:31:24 AM
correction  in  the  above,  i  mean  to  say  the  one  with  the  lower  truth  should  at  least  be  able  to  see,  the  the  one  with  the  higher  truth  is  right.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Gabe on July 15, 2005, 09:12:12 PM
ive always thought god has no race

Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: paco on July 16, 2005, 03:19:20 AM
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ive always thought god has no race



























where did that thought come from?

            who thot that?
Title: truth
Post by: paco on July 16, 2005, 03:22:00 AM
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Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: RastaEvan11 on July 16, 2005, 10:41:04 PM
i dont beleave he is at all but i dont think he is white either  [smiley=smiley.gif]
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 19, 2005, 03:36:04 PM
bredrin   rastaevan,  can  you  explain  how  you  see  god.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 23, 2005, 07:39:11 AM
greetings,  this  reasoning  seem  to  have  come  to  an  end,  IAM  still  not  convince  that  god  is  black  listening  to  all  the  different  reasoning  on  this  subject  prove  that  to  me  even  more,  if  god  have  a  colour  if  must  be  a  nutral  color  but  it  is  not  black  or  white,  then  again  the  colour  of  god  is  of  no  importance,  what  is  of  important  is  the  way  that  we  live  with  each  other,  are  we  living  or  striveing  to  live  good  our  own  actions  in  life,  is  of  more  importance  than  the  color  of  god,  whatever  color  god  is,  god  color  cannot  make  changes  in  our  life  those  changes  we  must  make  for  ourselves.  one  love  to  all  humanity  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 24, 2005, 12:02:32 AM
greetings  giyah, IAM  always  conscious  of  the  two  aspects  of  life,  these  two  different  aspects  of  life,  reflect  the  positive  and  negative  nature  of  the  mind,  but  there  is  also  a  one  aspect  way  to  life  as  well,  this  one  aspect  way  is  what  you  would  call  the  christ  within  fiyah,  now  iam  a  follower  of  this  christ  that  is  within  my  ownself,  now  this  christ  within  me  has  no  color,  if  a  man  has  no  color  how  can  he  say  god  has  a  color,  the  reason  why  i  say  that  man  has  no  color  is  this,  a  man  is  more  than  just  a  body,  the  body  has  colour,  black,  white,  brown,    but  inside  every  body  is  a  spirit,  this  spirit  has  no  color  and  if  it  does,  no  one  knows  what  color  it  is  because  you  cannot  see  it,  if  africans  or  anyone  else  want  to  see  their   identity  in  the  king,  that  is  up  to  them,  I  will  take  the  second      one  were  i  identify  with  the  king  in  my  ownself,  respect  to  all  outer  kings  and  queen,  but  the  true  king  is  within  IandI.  ONE  LOVE  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: M-Dub on July 25, 2005, 03:42:27 PM
Greetings and peace.

Ital when you say you are still not convinced Jah is black, you show you still do not overstand the reasoning that has been put forth concerning that statement at all. Ini hope you take the time to re-read this topic and find out what was being said, it's pretty deep and I was touched by it.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on July 26, 2005, 03:55:25 AM
GREETINGS,  m  dub,  from  your  post  above  you  seems  like  you understand  the  reasoning    that  god  is  black,  you  said  its  pretty  deep  and  you  was  touch  by  it,  CAN  you  explain  what  you  was  touch  by,  and  also  what  was  pretty  deep, I  ask  you  this  because  like  you  say  i  do  not  overstand  the  reasoning  that  has  been  put  forth,  It  would  be  intresting  to  listen  to  one  who  overstand  like  yourself.  one  love  to  all  jah  jah  childrens  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on August 02, 2005, 11:49:05 AM
greetings,  Iam  still  waiting  for  someone  to  who  know  that  god  is  black,  to  enlighten  me,  so  come  on  deffent  your  reasoning,  I  must  say  the  reasons  given  for  god  been  black  has  not  been  very  convenceing,  no  wonder  those  who  believe  in  a  black  god,  find  it  hard  to  diffend  such  belief, Iam  still  waiting  on  M  DUB  to  enlighten  me  on  the  topic,  where  are  you  my  bredrin,  you  said  i  did  not  understand  i  ask  you  for  a  explanation,  but  Iam  still  waiting,  one  thing  with  me  if  someone  ask  me  for  a  explanation,  I  always  try  my  best  to  reply,  so  M  DUB  as  one  who  understand  the  blackness  of  god,  please  can  you  explain  how  you  came  to  this  understanding.  one  love  to  all  human  beings  RASTAFARI.  
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: M-Dub on August 02, 2005, 04:35:46 PM
The reason no one has responded is because the answers are already here.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on August 03, 2005, 01:44:51 PM
bredrin  M  BUB,  the  true  reason  why  no  one  is  responding  is  no  one  can  honestly  say  god  is  black,  I  ask  you  in  one  of  my  above  post  to  explain  what  was  so  deep  about  the  idea  that  god  was  black,  you  answer  me  saying  that  the  reason  why  no  one  is  responding  is  because  the  answer  is  allredy  there,  can  you  point  out  the  answers  to  me  then,  like  you  say  i  must  have  miss  the  point,  Just  explain  to  me  yourself  why  you  personally  think  that  god  is  black,  in  your  own  words,  I  have  not  yet  hear  exactly  how  you  yourself  see  things.  one  love  to  every  one  on  earth  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: M-Dub on August 03, 2005, 04:49:50 PM
Did I say I personally think Jah is black? No. This is a treasure you will have to uncover yourself Idren as I did during this reasoning. If you do not want to believe it, then you will block yourself off to what can be learned. Open your mind to the possibilities and read the words that all have posted.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Eternal_Life on August 03, 2005, 09:33:09 PM
God is beyond color. He is a Spirit. Its sad that throughout the years man has tried to put God into a box and recreated him into the image of man. Now God isnt that much different from us, he is black to the black man, white the whites, Indian to the indians, etc. Where will it stop, and when will we accept God on his terms without trying to bring him down to our perception of things?
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on August 04, 2005, 11:56:57 AM
greetings,  M  DUB,  bredrin  you  reason  like  a  politician,  I  ask  you  a  question  and  before  you  answer  me  stright  as  a  brother  you  refuse,  claiming  that  i  will  have  to  find  out  for  my  self  just  like  you  did  here,  but  to  me  that  is  a  selfish  responce, ANYway  i  have  done  what  you  said  and  read  the  whole  tread  again,  AND  as  far  as  i  can  see  there  are  8  people  in  favour  of  god  been  black,  while  there  is  9  against,    I   did  not  include  yourself  in  that  count  because  your  sitting  on  the  fence,  you  have  kept  your  opinions  to  yourself,  but  keep  on  disputeing  my  own  opinions,  WELL  i  will  try  once  more,  are  you  with  the  8,  or  the  nine, or  are  you  just  sitting  on  the  fence,  do  not  answer  like  your  a  politician  by  evadeing  the  question  because  it  is  a  simple  one,  M  DUB  is  god  black.  one  love RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: M-Dub on August 09, 2005, 06:05:27 PM
Greetings and peace.

You hold the answer to your questions in the post you have just posted bredren Ital. Please do not compare me or anything I do to the works of a politician, that is an insult that I find offensive. My response was not intended to be selfish, I am simply trying to help you gain the overstanding I gained. I felt you would overstand better if you looked for yourself. When you say 8 are saying Jah is black and 9 are against that, this is exactly what I am overstanding. Jah is color and beyond color. To the white man He can be white, to the black man, black, to the Asian, He is Asian. It is all in perception. I have not disputed anything you've said, nor have I said you are wrong, sorry if I wasn't clear in my past posts.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: I ELIJAH I on August 09, 2005, 07:09:47 PM
 Essentially Black is not a color but the absence of light.  Before G-d, who is light, created light, there was nothing, blackness.  Yet G-d pre-exsists even that which does not exsist, so it can be said that G-d is Black.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: EmpressCarla on August 09, 2005, 07:48:31 PM
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Essentially Black is not a color but the absence of light.  Before G-d, who is light, created light, there was nothing, blackness.  Yet G-d pre-exsists even that which does not exsist, so it can be said that G-d is Black.

Now let me really create some controversy...

If God is light, as EliJah has stated, but existed before the light, in the blackness, what is that blackness?

It has been said that the "light" is a male consciousness. A masculine aspect. The physical matter. While the feminine is the unseen. The spiritual, emotional, etc. Also, it has been said that out of darkness comes light. We must be physically birthed from the womb (darkness) into the world (light). So then, does it not follow that the absolute dark is the female consciousness?

If this logic follows, then God must be female. Before there was "something" there was "nothing."

What are y'alls thoughts. Hmmm???

Be blessed.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: I ELIJAH I on August 09, 2005, 08:21:11 PM
 "what is that blackness? "

That Blackness "is" not.

"So then, does it not follow that the absolute dark is the female consciousness?"

Yes, except it is more precisely the female unconcsiousness.

"God must be female. Before there was "something" there was "nothing."

Yet Before there was something or nothing there was Jah.



Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: EmpressCarla on August 09, 2005, 08:35:37 PM
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Yet G-d pre-exsists even that which does not exsist, so it can be said that G-d is Black.


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God is beyond concepts of something or nothing, therefore cannot be identified as exclusively male, female, white, or black.

So God can be black, but not female?

Be blessed.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: I ELIJAH I on August 09, 2005, 08:37:16 PM
G-d "can" be any of those things, yet "must" be none.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: M-Dub on August 09, 2005, 08:43:32 PM
Hmm, I like this reasoning from the mighty Empress. I believe you are very correct in your statement. I believe Jah is sex and beyond sex. For us, we must relate on an earthly level to 'feel' closer or to better relate but in reality Jah is far beyond what we can picture Him as. These are my humble thoughts.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on August 10, 2005, 05:26:59 AM
Greetings,  Jah  is  nither  male  or  female  or  black  or  white,  Or  light  or  dark,  these  are  all  part  of  jah  creation,  Just  like  plants  and  other  animals,  The  things  that  jah  create  is  not  jah.  one  love  RASTAFARI...
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: I ELIJAH I on August 10, 2005, 01:37:15 PM
Jah is Both Male and Female, Black and White. Creation is not seperate from Creator.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on August 10, 2005, 02:41:21 PM
Greetings,  We  could  say  jah  is  a  ston,  Or  a  fly,  Or  an  ant,  A  monke,  Or  a  fish,  Because  all  these  are  apart  of  jah  creation,  But  these  things  do  not  know  wisdom,  Nither  can  they  reason  to  a  man,  so  allthou  they  are  a  part  of  jah  creation  they  are  not  jah,  The  earth  could  not  survive  without  the  sun  and  the  moon,  The  earth  is  different  from  the  sun,  But  still  realy  on  the  light  of  the  sun,  Man  is  the  earth,  And  jah  is  the  sun,  there  is  a  lot  of  difference  between  the  earth  and  the  sun,  And  there  is  a  lot  of  difference  between  jah  and  his  creations.  one  love  to  all  human  beings  RASTAFARI...
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: I ELIJAH I on August 10, 2005, 02:51:53 PM
Who are you to say an ant has no wisdom?
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on August 10, 2005, 03:41:45 PM
Bredrin,  why  dont  you  spend  your  time  reasoning  with  an  ant  instead  of  me,   Because  if  the  ant  has  any  wisdom  he  keeps  that  to  himself,  The  stone  might  be  wise  as  well  but  the  stone  cannot  reason.  one  love  RASTAFARI...
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: I ELIJAH I on August 10, 2005, 03:52:02 PM
Perhaps it is you who cannot reason with the stone.  
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 10, 2005, 03:54:44 PM
All of creation is a reflection of Jah. Is it not so that the most efficient solutions exist in nature already? Nature balances itself, only man, with his free will can go against the natural balance.

Creation is reflection of Jah, but Jah was even before creation so Jah must be bigger than any thing found in it. Although he is in all things, he is bigger than any of those tings.

And, ital, saying that creation does not know wisdom might be correct, but at the same time, creation reflect wisdom.

OneLove
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: M-Dub on August 10, 2005, 04:15:17 PM
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Greetings,  Jah  is  nither  male  or  female  or  black  or  white,  Or  light  or  dark,  these  are  all  part  of  jah  creation,  Just  like  plants  and  other  animals,  The  things  that  jah  create  is  not  jah.


I disagree with this statement completely. Jah is creation. Jah is man, wombman, child, animal, tree, plant, black, white and all. The things that Jah create are Jah. Jah is in all creation.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on August 10, 2005, 05:35:23 PM
Bredrin,  Elijah  you  are  right  it  is  i  who  cannot  reason  with  a  stone,  Are  you  saying  that  you  can,  bredrin  Oskar,  This  reasoning  prove  why  your  needed  in  the  works  of  jah,  you  can  at  least  try  and  help  me  explain  the  truth  a  little  clearer,   I  know  that  creation  reflect  the  wisdom  of  jah,  But  i  also  know  that  jah  is  beyond  his  creations,    You  can  help  explain  a  little  clearer  when  my  post  is  not  clear  enough,  I  must  say  that  i  have  read  all  of  your  post  that  i  can  find  on  this  forum,  And  in  all  of  them  i  can  undrestand  what  you  are  saying  clearly,  You  might  think  that  i  can  explain  things  clearly,  But  you  know  the  truth  as  well,  If  iam  wrong  in  my  reasoning  about  the  truth,  Then  i  would  expect  you  to  point  this  out,  Likewise  if  iam  speaking  the  truth  and  you  know  it  is  the  truth,  I    would  expect  you  to  point  out  why  it  is  the  truth,  Or  the  reasons  why  you  see  it  as  the  truth  as  well,  Bredrin  M  DUB,  iam  not  posting  for  you  or  anyone  else  to  agree  with  me,  So  you  are  free  to  disagree  with  what  i  say,  I  will  not  loose  anything  if  the  whole  forum  disagree  with  me, Those  who  have  ears  to  hear  will  hear.  one  love  to  all  who  live  on  planet  earth.  RASTAFARI...
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: M-Dub on August 10, 2005, 05:42:25 PM
Thank you for your overstanding ital. No disraspect intended, but I find it disturbing that you always state that you speak the truth and you have the truth, I have not yet read a post of yours where you have said "I think you are right" or "I could be wrong" or similar. Out of your 400 plus posts could you show me one where you stated such a thing? Or do you feel you are never wrong? Again no disraspect, I am just trying to overstand.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: I ELIJAH I on August 10, 2005, 05:52:42 PM
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Bredrin,  Elijah  you  are  right  it  is  i  who  cannot  reason  with  a  stone,  Are  you  saying  that  you  can,  



Am I?
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on August 10, 2005, 06:08:39 PM
Greetings  M  Dub,  please  dont  make  what  another  man  say  disturb  you,  you  say  you  never  read  any  of  my  post  where  i  say  you  could  be  right,  If  you  mean  that  i  never  say  anyone  else  is  right  apart  from  myself  you  are  wrong,  I  would  not  say  to  anyone  i  think  that  your  right,  If  i  know  that  someone  is  right  i  tell  them  so,  and  there  are  many  post  that  i  have  done  so,  Did  you  not  read  my  above  post  before  you  send  your  post, Because  the  things  that  you  say  that  i  never  do,  Is  exactly  what  i  was  doing  in  that  post,  Did  i  not  say  in  that  post  that  i  have  read  all  Oskar  post,  And  that  i  agree  with  him.  one  love  RASTAFARI...
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: M-Dub on August 10, 2005, 06:26:01 PM
Seen, I overstand what you are saying Idren ital, just making sure. I guess I wasn't reading carefully enough. My apologies.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on August 11, 2005, 12:20:32 PM
Bredrin  Elijah,  What  exactly  do  you  mean  by  your  above  post,  Can  you  reason  with  a  stone,  Or  have  you  reason  with  a  stone  before.  one love  RASTAFARI...
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: SOUL_ESTABLISHING on August 11, 2005, 01:35:42 PM
I don't think God is black.  I don't think he's white, asian, peurto rican, mexican, or any of the above races, or beyond.  Jah is Almighty and is who and what He wants to be.  When I think of the Great Spirit, the everwathing Creator of mankind, I see a being that the human mind can not even fathom.  peace ya'll.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ockhamist on August 11, 2005, 04:04:24 PM
God is not black or white or any other colour for that matter. THERE IS NO GOD!!!
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: M-Dub on August 11, 2005, 04:38:42 PM
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God is not black or white or any other colour for that matter. THERE IS NO GOD!!!


What do you base this belief on?

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 11, 2005, 04:45:29 PM
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God is not black or white or any other colour for that matter. THERE IS NO GOD!!!


You saying there is no God. God = Good. So, tell me, where is God when I do good?

And doing good is not just doing good, but even more importantly, not doing bad.  So, we all have a choice, a choice of good vs. bad. And by definition good is better than bad so anyone who choose bad is spoiling for his own self. So, what do you want? Do you chose life over death?

This is the question we must answer even before we start reasoning.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: I ELIJAH I on August 11, 2005, 05:47:45 PM
 It is true that there isn't a G-d to the extent that there IS One. So is there or isn't there? One cannot say.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on August 12, 2005, 04:53:39 AM
Greetings  fiyah,  Can  you  explain  the  power  of  bredrin  Elijah,  Reasoning  for  me,  If  you  read  the  above  posts  you  will  notice  that  i  have  ask  Elijah  a  couple  of  question  that  he  has  not  answer,  One  who  is  reasoning  with  great  power  should  be  quite  able  to  answer  a  couple  of  simple  questions..  one  love  RASTAFARI...
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Mike on August 12, 2005, 06:27:47 AM
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Blessed love


I and I have to say EliJah is reasoning with much Power [smiley=grin.gif]



[bgcolor=Green]Rastafari  [/bgcolor]
[bgcolor=Yellow]Haile Selassie I  [/bgcolor]
[bgcolor=Red]Fiyah  [/bgcolor]


How is this blasphemy?I can see how you have misled the precious children of God,you are doubting if he exists or not.And you as a considered "elder" are brainwashing these precious people!God loves his people,and I have to expose you not in hate but in TRUTH.You are leading a people out of believing in God/Jah/Jehovah.

One man says:who knows if there is a God or not?

And you say:You are speaking with much wisdom.Shame on you!These people on this board look up to you as a wise elder,and you are even polluting all that you ve said to profess which is the wisdom of Rastafari,well I tell you something Rasta believes in God and he calls him Jah,so who are you trying to fool?Please everyone can you not see this man is a teacher of FALSE teachings
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 12, 2005, 08:21:48 AM
Rasta don't believe, rasta know. If you can not say if God is real or not, you don't know God.

OneLove
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on August 12, 2005, 11:04:47 AM
Greetings,  Once  again  Oskar  hits  the  nail  with  the  hammer,  His  post  is  what  i  would  call  reasoning  with  real  power. One  love  RASTAFARI...  
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: I ELIJAH I on August 12, 2005, 01:22:38 PM
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If you can not say if God is real or not, you don't know God.




Maybe it is because one does "know" god that he cannot say.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 12, 2005, 01:42:35 PM
Yea, saying one has power is a compliment, should one not know if it is positive or negative before one say it? I mean, the difference is like night and day. One should always know what one is saying.

EliJah, what does what one "know" got to do with what he can say?
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 12, 2005, 01:51:25 PM
That's not really saying anything, so why say it? Truth is not trying to cover up ignorance. We must freely admit what we know, and what we don't know. Otherwise we fool ourselves.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 12, 2005, 02:22:06 PM
Can you explain yourself EliJah?
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: I ELIJAH I on August 12, 2005, 03:18:40 PM
Oskar You Ask

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what does what one "know" got to do with what he can say?


But Speak

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One should always know what one is saying.


Though I think you said it best here

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We must freely admit what we know, and what we don't know.

Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 12, 2005, 03:44:05 PM
Yet you speak nothing but about me. I know the words I am speaking already. What do you know about your own self?
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 12, 2005, 03:48:21 PM
Always hiding.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Mike on August 12, 2005, 04:10:46 PM
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Blessed Love


Mike
Now I and I don't even want to waste time responding to foolishness but since the I want to come at I and I with such FALSE judgment I and I must mention what is a shame Mike. The first time I man sight you upon this forum you had an animated gif of I and i African sistren exposing her rare end as your sig. I and I have to tell the I to remove that for that is disraspecful. Then next you come as one who is learning about Rastafari only to post up a thread saying Sizzla is wrong. With all Batty Bwoy propaganda. While also having a big signature of PTosh smoking herb. Next incarnation you come as Muslim and now you revealing yourself as a confused Preacher of Jezus. Idren you are Babylon and that is what you are exposing. If I and i was teaching false things what the I was PMing I for and sharing your experiences in regards to somethings i posted. But I and I see that you use I and I advice to try to come against I. YOU ARE AN AGENT OF BABYLON!!!! FIYAH BUN YOU And YOUR FALSE DOCTRINE!!!

As for what I mention about EliJah reasoning with power that must be taken in
context from older postings. Also know that power can be both negative and positive. Uttering that a one has power is not necessarily positive affirmation. It was just commentary!!!



[bgcolor=Green]Rastafari  [/bgcolor]
[bgcolor=Yellow]Haile Selassie I  [/bgcolor]
[bgcolor=Red]Fiyah  [/bgcolor]
And now you accuse me of being an agent of Babylon!Do you know me?This year was a year to find I self,that meant Rasta,Islam,and now the Truth.I have nothing to hide,I looked pon Rasta found its problems,same goes for Islam which is even worse.Then I found Jesus.And now I am learning how Rastas could be with us,but they are not with us when them say its wise to debate Jah or not.

I am not coming against you BUT what you said "Elijah is speaking wise" why would you say that?Do you doubt Jah exists?
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: I ELIJAH I on August 12, 2005, 04:26:26 PM
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What do you know about your own self?


I know not of what you speak.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: M-Dub on August 12, 2005, 04:32:23 PM
Sad are the words of Mike. You know nothing of RastafarI, yet you claim to have some understanding of it. You say you have found truth, then why do you lie?

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Mike on August 12, 2005, 04:50:14 PM
The problem is you think you have found truth also which is different than mine.Its a free country choose which truth suits you.You can call my words sad,but plain is what your elder has said,its good to debate whether there is God or not.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 12, 2005, 04:52:25 PM
So, what do you know EliJah?
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: I ELIJAH I on August 12, 2005, 04:55:25 PM
That I Don't Know.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 12, 2005, 05:13:02 PM
EliJah, Can we then agree upon that you know that you do not know what you know?
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: M-Dub on August 12, 2005, 05:17:06 PM
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The problem is you think you have found truth also which is different than mine.


Show me any of my words where I have claimed to have found truth. Please do not falsely accuse me of things (it's very un-Christian like).

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: I ELIJAH I on August 12, 2005, 05:34:25 PM
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EliJah, Can we then agree upon that you know that you do not know what you know?


I and I Were Never in Disagreeement on that. Praise King Selassie all the Same!!!
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 12, 2005, 06:33:23 PM
EliJah, So why did you say that you don't know what you know, when you say you knew you  know that you don't know what you know?

You like the negative more than the positive?
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Mike on August 12, 2005, 06:38:03 PM
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Show me any of my words where I have claimed to have found truth. Please do not falsely accuse me of things (it's very un-Christian like).

One

Jah bless

Im not saying you claimed,Im sayin you perceive Rasta to be truth,is it not true?
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: paco on August 12, 2005, 07:10:12 PM
yes Fiyah, xactly what i I-ntuition tells me this mike is (A)gent of babylong, here to cause confusion and stir shet up.


i herd it put like this by a recovering alcoholic once, and maybee this only applies to us ex drunks since we come into sobriety thinking we know it all. anyways it go like this: as long as you think you know, you'll never know. once you know that you don't know, then you know. [smiley=rolleyes.gif] [smiley=shocked.gif]
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: I ELIJAH I on August 12, 2005, 07:12:52 PM
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EliJah, So why did you say that you don't know what you know, when you say you knew you  know that you don't know what you know?

You like the negative more than the positive?


The reason I said this is to answer the question as to whether G-d is Black.

Its Fallacy to suggest that one "likes" the negative.

Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: M-Dub on August 12, 2005, 07:39:27 PM
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Im not saying you claimed,Im sayin you perceive Rasta to be truth,is it not true?


What you said is "...you think you have found truth", which is incorrect. InI don't think I have found truth.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 12, 2005, 09:36:57 PM
EliJah, You prove that God is black by lying?
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: I ELIJAH I on August 12, 2005, 10:32:46 PM
Yes, Deception,Violence, Greed, and Lust all prove that G-d is Black. Though It Can only Truely be said that Jah is Blacker Than Black. My Apologies if that was unclear.

Peace Out
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 13, 2005, 05:54:40 AM
Yea, and how dark is that darkness? At least there is hope, because out of darkness comes the light.

Peace
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on August 13, 2005, 07:00:21 AM
Greetings,  bredrin  Elijah,   You  reason  like  a  zen  buddist,  Noting  wrong  with  that,  But  cant  you  explain  what  your  saying  without  being  mysterious,  The  reasoning  is  really  a  simple  one  why  try  and  make  things  mysterious,  I  told  you  before  that  i  have never  reason  with  a  stone,  Again  you  was  mysterious  by  saying  how  do  i  know  that  a  stone  cant  reason,  I  then  ask  you  if  you  personally  have  ever  had  a  reasoning  with  a  stone,  I  am  not  looking  for  any  mysterious  answers  just  a  straight  one,  Please  dont  hide  behind  mystery  this  is  a  reasoning,  In  reasoning  one  explain  themselves,  one  dont  hide  behind  mystery,  Unless  you  do  not  know  what  you  are  really  reasoning  about.  Nice  reasoning  once  again  Oskar  if  everyman  reason  as  clear  as  you  we  would  clear  up  lots  of  misunderstanding  without  any  problems, So  keep  up  the  good  reasoning  because  i  for  one  can  see  your  light  shineing.  one  love  to  all  human  beings  RASTAFARI...
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: I ELIJAH I on August 13, 2005, 12:22:06 PM
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Yea, and how dark is that darkness?



It's So Dark that is Shines!!! [smiley=grin.gif]
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 13, 2005, 12:59:06 PM
Darkness can never shine. Darkness is the thing that spoil for our selves. If you think that darkness is better because it was before light, and thus was the root, remember, Jah was before any creation, and He being the ultimate root, and the Light. So, see, the light always conquer darkness. Light and darkness is not physical color, but spiritual color.

So purge your selves, what will you throw out the good or the bad, what will you choose, life or death? And remember, if you don't know, it is better to not do anything hasty. Trod slowly, and have patience. Ask for clarity and it shall be given.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: I ELIJAH I on August 13, 2005, 01:27:21 PM
You state
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Darkness can never shine.


But Then Contradict Yourself By Saying
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the light always conquer darkness.


Perhaps it is the I that needs to take it Slow.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 13, 2005, 01:31:37 PM
Yes, we need take it slow. What is the contradiction? If light conquer darkness, how can darkness shine? And what is it in darkness, darkness being taxing on the self, that shines? more like reeks.

OneLove
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: I ELIJAH I on August 13, 2005, 01:35:21 PM
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What is the contradiction?


The Contradiction Is That you Would Speak It.

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If light conquer darkness, how can darkness shine?

By the Light Conquering It.

The Question Is how can Light Shine with out Darkness To Conquer?

Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 13, 2005, 01:50:26 PM
No, the contradiction is that you choose to speak it. Going into paradox here, I&I converging on something, where's the middle line, and what's thereat?

From my point of view it definitely looks like you are defending darkness. How do you define darkness, bredrin? This must be some kind of semantics problem, seen?
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 13, 2005, 01:53:48 PM
Ah, you add a question, that's ok.

"The Question Is how can Light Shine with out Darkness To Conquer? "

According to my definition, darkness is sabotageing for its own self, seen? so, without darkness things would go more smooth, seen? because we would not be working against each other. Any kingdom divided against itself shall fall, you know it's written. Darkness is division, without division, we can not fall, seen?
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: I ELIJAH I on August 13, 2005, 01:56:37 PM
Yet it is you, Who remain divided with Darkness.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 13, 2005, 02:05:39 PM
Then I can not help you.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 13, 2005, 02:07:00 PM
Paradox out.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 13, 2005, 02:18:50 PM
Still curious though, what make you think I'm divided with darkness? Just because I speak of me and you? that's just semantics, we need see past that.

Or are you saying that me, reflecting light, is still divided with darkness? How can there be division when there is only ONE? Where does darkness go when the light is there? Where does the fist go when you open your hand?
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: I ELIJAH I on August 13, 2005, 02:45:41 PM
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so, without darkness things would go more smooth,

This is Why
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 13, 2005, 02:48:40 PM
So why you trying to prevent the inevitable?
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: I ELIJAH I on August 13, 2005, 02:50:37 PM
Are you Talking to Me sOn?
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: EmpressCarla on August 13, 2005, 02:51:51 PM
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According to my definition, darkness is sabotageing for its own self, seen? so, without darkness things would go more smooth, seen?

Hetepu.

Bredren Oskar, I do not overstand what you mean here. Can you elaborate? Darkness, in the context of this thread, is the root. Nothing exists without the root, does it? So if we wipe out this "sabotaging" darkness, what are we really wiping out? It would have to also wipe out everything that came AFTER the dark (i.e., the Light) because it is all One. So please tell me, what do you relate to darkness that you feel should be wiped out?

Be blessed.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 13, 2005, 03:14:23 PM
Greetings sister,
No, the topic of the thread is a question. Well, there is no question mark, but the wording is put in the form of a question. That's how I see it, maybe we can ask ital, it was he who started this thread.

God is light and darkness is the absence of light. This is the issue, we must know the root. What makes you think that God is darkness, sister? It has nothing to do with the color of your skin. Darkness is the lack of spirit that is good, that is my definition. I can not reason without this definition. What is your root definition sister? Maybe we can sort out the semantics?

OneLove
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 13, 2005, 03:15:10 PM
Yes EliJah, I am.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 13, 2005, 03:17:11 PM
And I don't feel I have to wipe out anything, as light simply takes it's place. What happen if you go in a dark room sister, and you start a fire in there? Where does the darkness go?
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: EmpressCarla on August 13, 2005, 03:31:27 PM
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God is light and darkness is the absence of light. This is the issue, we must know the root. What makes you think that God is darkness, sister? It has nothing to do with the color of your skin. Darkness is the lack of spirit that is good, that is my definition. I can not reason without this definition. What is your root definition sister? Maybe we can sort out the semantics?

OneLove

Hetepu

Oskar, I was not referring to skin color. To me, Jah is the source that created the darkness that allows the light.

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And I don't feel I have to wipe out anything, as light simply takes it's place. What happen if you go in a dark room sister, and you start a fire in there? Where does the darkness go?

Do you not realize that the darkness is still there? The light of the fire does not overpower the dark. The light of the fire allows one to know that dark and light both exist. But when the fire is extinguished, tell me, will one not again find themselves in the dark?

I don't see darkness as the absence of Jah. For there is nothing that exists that Jah is not a part of. It is ALL a revelation of Jah.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: I ELIJAH I on August 13, 2005, 03:44:30 PM
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Yes EliJah, I am.


That may be what your Mama told ya. But RasTafarI Stands Alone.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 13, 2005, 05:00:19 PM
Greetings It doesn't matter much what Jah is to you sister, Jah exist no matter what you think anyway. You was not refering to skin color, good, I too can see that the issue is irrelevant to the skin.

The darkness you speak about sister, is all in ourselves, we have it from the moment of creation, and inside of us we can empower the LIGHT to overshine that darkness, within ourselves. I can't see how you empowering that darkness, within yourself, can help you see the light. You burning the wrong fire, sister.

Where is the darkness you see sister? Inside I have mine in check, he can't get out, at least I know how to put myself in situations that he can't get out.

"But when the fire is extinguished, tell me, will one not again find themselves in the dark?"

But who can extinguish the everlasting Iternal fire?

"I don't see darkness as the absence of Jah. For there is nothing that exists that Jah is not a part of. It is ALL a revelation of Jah."

So what you defending then? equal rights for the wicked? Jah create the world and everything in creation is good. Man and woman he gave a free will so that he/she can make the choice to choose good over evil, light over darkness. Can you not see this concept within spirituality? You gona choose darkness, and refuse the light to spawn? Why are you so afraid of the light? You can't trust your self?

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 13, 2005, 05:00:59 PM
EliJah,
So why you cudling up here with the sister then instead of answering the questions asked of you?
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: I ELIJAH I on August 13, 2005, 05:11:50 PM
What I gotta spell it out for you?   [smiley=cheesy.gif]
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: EmpressCarla on August 13, 2005, 05:31:54 PM
Hetepu

Oskar, what are you talking about? And watch your tone with me! You ask me what is my definition of darkness, yet when I give it you say it doesn't matter?

Where did I say I can't trust myself? Tell me, when did I say I was afraid of the light? It seems to me that it is YOU who is afraid of the dark!!

Bredren, you need to crawl back into you Mama's womb and again become familiar with the darkness! For out of the darkness of the womb are we brought into the light!

Be blessed.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Iaughta777 on August 13, 2005, 05:43:37 PM
Greetings.
My mother is white, my father is black.....what color am I?  What color is "my" God?
Not sure if anyone said this yet, but..
Until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned..WAR...until the color of a mans skin is of no more significance then the color of his eyes...WAR!  So my bredren and sistren you see....JAH has no color, or he is every color.  He created all of mankind in his image and likeness....who are we to say which color he is, or isn't.  We are but mere humans with minuscule understanding of Jah.  We should try to avoid creating a picture of Jah or what Jah looks like because NO MAN can look upon the face of JAH and live to tell about it.  (When I say face I don't mean a physical face).  Jah is the water, the air, the trees, the sun, the moon....ALL of creation is part of Jah.  I praise no image of what Jah may or may not look like.  This is my over-standing.  

Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 13, 2005, 06:15:30 PM
EmpressCarla, I am writing, there is no tone in the written word, it's just the word, if there is any tone there, we add it in our mind. This apply to anything we read.

"You ask me what is my definition of darkness, yet when I give it you say it doesn't matter?"

Yes, and do you know why? I'll tell ya, God created every thing, including you and me, he also gave us free will to think whatever we want, seen? Can you see that whatever we think, doesn't change the reality of creation? What we think of Jah doesn't change him, he is what he is.

"Where did I say I can't trust myself?"

You never said that, I said it, it was a question, and my conclusion from your answer is that you do trust your self, and that is good, you should trust your self.

"Tell me, when did I say I was afraid of the light?

And again, you never did, I just asked you a question. Again, my conclusion is that you are not afraid of the light, which is good also.

"It seems to me that it is YOU who is afraid of the dark!!"

This statement simply is not true, because the darkness can do nothing to me.

Your last statement is simply disrespectful and I will leave no further comment on it. I forgive you, for you know not of what you speak.

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 13, 2005, 06:17:47 PM
EliJah,
If you've got the truth, why you holding your tongue, son?
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: I ELIJAH I on August 13, 2005, 06:37:27 PM
Because Restraint is the Truth.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on August 13, 2005, 06:47:43 PM
Greetings, great  reasoning  Oskar,  But  i  dont believe  bredrin  Elijah  know  the  the  truth,  If  he  did  he  would  be  reasoning  about  it,  Those  who  know  the  truth  are   glad  to  shear  it,  Why  have  it  an  dont  shear  it,  one  love  RASTAFARI...
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: EmpressCarla on August 13, 2005, 08:19:18 PM
Hetepu

Oskar, you are funny to me. You forgive me??? Okay, if you feel you need to, great. But I cannot take you seriously. Some people just like to debate for the sake of it. I am not one of them.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 13, 2005, 08:32:33 PM
EmpressCarla,
I am glad to be to your amusement. But please take me seriously, I don't debate, I reason. I talk with a reason. Just answer the questions.

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: EmpressCarla on August 13, 2005, 09:07:21 PM
Hetepu

Oskar, why on earth should I answer your questions when you tell me my answers don't matter???

Be blessed.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 13, 2005, 10:24:46 PM
EmpressCarla,
What I was saying was that what you think of Jah doesn't change Jah. Jah can change you, if you let him, but you can never change Jah. Jah create you, not the other way around. If you are offended by that you don't know God.

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: EmpressCarla on August 13, 2005, 10:34:28 PM
Hetepu

Oskar, who said I was offended? You have said nothing offensive to me. You can't offend me. Yet, even if I was offended, you can declare that it means I don't know God? Are you omniscient? You can speak to what I know and don't know? Seems to me that YOU don't know God, or yourself.

But not to worry Oskar. As you said, Jah can change you, if you let him.   [smiley=rolleyes.gif]

Be blessed.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 13, 2005, 10:59:40 PM
EmpressCarla,

You are acting very defensively. I never said you where offended, I said IF you where offended. Now, you say that you are not offended, so the possibility that you know God is still there.

You say that I can't offend you, this leads me to think that you do know God. So, if you know God, you should know truth, because God is truth. Should you not then be able to answer my questions?

If not, is your God not generous and sharing?

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: EmpressCarla on August 14, 2005, 12:12:41 AM
LOL @ Oskar.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on August 14, 2005, 12:18:53 AM
Nice  reasoning  bredrin  oskar,  Iam  really  enjoying  this,  I  have  been  waiting  for  a  man  like  you  to  help  with  the  truth,  Its  not  easy  to  explain  truth,  Many  has  died  trying  to  do  so,  And  if  words  could  kill  we  would  have  died  by  now,  Reasoning  is  where  you  find  out  if  someone  really  knows  what  they  are  talking  about,  Or  are  they  just  believers,  one  love  RASTAFARI...
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 14, 2005, 08:30:00 AM
Seen sister, you be good now.

And ital, it was really you who show me how to do it, by your example.

Yea, if we are teaching by some other way than by example, then we are just talking about it, if we do it, we are living proof.

Now, I know that all of life don't fit inside this computer box, but what we can do with it, is link up with other people, and reason. Reasoning is talking without trying to hinder any learning, just simply speak the truth, and anything untrue will scatter. What we get out of these reasonings is how we can better try and live our life in reality, without getting trapped in conflicts, seen?

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on August 14, 2005, 10:48:42 AM
Greeting  Bredrin  Oskar,  It  was  not  i  who  show  you  how  to  do  it,  But  you know  what  you  know  because  of  the  way  that  you  live  your  ownlife,  It  is  obvious  to  me  that  your  a  truth  lover,  and  one  who  fight  to  control  the  negative  in  one  own  being,  Like  you  say  iam  an  example  to  you,  But  know  this  my  bredrin  your  also  a  big,  No  a  huge,  Example  to  me,  My  words  are  harsh,  But  yours  are  always  comforting,  With  you  here  you  can  at  least  make  my  harsh  words  comforting..  one  love  to  all  human  beings  RASTAFARI..  P.S  Empress  Carla,  I  dont  mean  to  be  rude  but  what  is  the  meaning  of  the  word  HETEPU.  One  love..  
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on August 14, 2005, 11:31:23 AM
Greetings Brother Ital,

Well, you reap what you sow, so I guess you getting pay off quick. Everything accelerate in these times.

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: EmpressCarla on August 14, 2005, 01:48:51 PM
Quote
P.S  Empress  Carla,  I  dont  mean  to  be  rude  but  what  is  the  meaning  of  the  word  HETEPU.  One  love..  

Greetings ital,

Hetepu is an ancient Khamitic term meaning gift or offering. Literally, it is translated as "peace unto you".

Be blessed.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ital on August 14, 2005, 01:52:39 PM
Thanks  Empress,
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Faadaras on July 02, 2007, 07:59:37 PM
Today is the first time  i come on this site and it looks like everyone have their own version of things to say about if god is black,,,well i man version is this,,,in the process of black people getting themselves back (as in mentally, and physically accepting) some of the views we were given by our slave masters up till now has been put in a white way in regards to his story, religion, and anything that has a  positive effect on our lifestyle,,,so now the first thing we did as a people, (black people)is put colour to all those things to give us a feeling of inner belief and streanth,,for you see as long as we continued to believe that everyone or thing good in his story is white we would allways feel belittled,,, now first we have to check out the true meening of the word god,, what is god ? as in the word G O D where did this word come from ? and what was it used for in the first place,,, i know but i would like to hear what you all have to say,,you see if you dont know then you cant ask what colour he is or  for that matter who he is,,,
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Molliebaz on July 03, 2007, 09:44:20 AM
Greetings Faadaras

Welcome to the forum and thank for raising the question "what is the meaning of God "  as this is a good and fundamental question to reason on.

These are my thoughts, I could be very wrong, and I am happy to be corrected.   Who is God ?  I dont know.  What does he look like - I dont know.  In the scriptures it says no man has seen God and lived, so how can anybody describe him - if it is indeed a him - and how can we give God a colour ? Paul, the Apostle said he had come to talk to the people about "The Unseen God"

  I do overstand your reasoning that we as humans give God a colour we can identify with - indeed the scriptures tell us that he made us " in his own image".  Some see him as an old man - "the Ancient of Days".  All of this helps us to focus on an image of God in our minds.

If we look to the 10 Commandements we are told " you must have no other Gods but me " so even the law giver acknowledges the existence of  other Gods.  The ancients had the gods of nature, the sun, the moon, the earth. Then there are the Greek and Roman Gods,  Norse Gods let alone the Gods of the Aztecs etc.  All of these in some way recognise creation. 

In these times money, power, heroes can be seen as Gods .  I think the word God is just a title, as in Queen, President, Pope, yet when we give that title a name, like Queen Elizabeth, President Clinton, Pope John Paul then the image of the actual person comes to mind and we recognise their characteristics. 

I believe the Almighty God, the Creator is a dynamic energy - a bit like electricity that we cannot see, yet we can switch on a light and see the evidence of its presence.  I see evidence of the creator when I open my eyes each day, a God of order.  The way the rain waters the earth, the sun warms it, the vegetation grows, plants give out oxygen for living things to breathe.

The image of God is just to focus the mind, for we need a spritual belief and a faith.  A Godless society is surely the way to destruction - we need to worship a being greater than ourselves.   If the image of God puts love in our hearts for our world and mankind then it serves its purpose. Mankind is constantly seeking a way to " find God"  .

You say in your post that you know the meaning of God - please share your thoughts with us, as it is the only way we can grow spiritually.

One Love,   Molliebaz    ( Meg )





 
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Faadaras on July 03, 2007, 11:18:02 AM
The word god has been used for generations for people in positions of power ,in some cases people who have power of life and death over whomever they rule, during this time these people was aware that there was an Almighty and the name god was never used when referring to this ALMIGHTY' there was acording to history 72 different names of power and none were g o d,, god represented someone who had a direct link to these names and had the power to do wondrous things, these people were the greek gods and various others in different lands and in some cases the same people who travelled to other lands doing wondrous things,,they became the gods of the earth as the knowledge they had put them on a higher plane of consciousness than those primitive peoples they met on their travels during which time some of them were worshiped as gods due to their knowledge and what they were able to do,,,some even laid with women from many of those lands and had children who became sons of gods, many of those sons of gods went in search of their fathers and learned from them then came back to where they were born and did wondrous things themselves (this story was allso applied to the life of christ,) this elevated them to being or  to be seen as gods by the people who wrote about them later, this story is in a lot of world history, but the most comercial one is the story of christ as that one was in the interest of the world rulers at the time (the Romans) to spread world wide as this was a lot easier than going around the world with soldiers fighting  and killing,as they had done for years before ,,
That said, Rasta god is His Imperial Majesty,, what colour ? black,, speak to the Aztecs their history speaks of people coming to their lands and doing wondrous things so were seing as gods and yes they were black, now the greeks had their own versions of gods as did other people from other lands even though in a lot of those lands you will find that they were black too,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Now the almighty to me is a force that keeps all things in order and the wise men and women who have a concious link to this force, are gods or godesses, their colour ? well it depends on which one of these you view as your god, mine is a black,     you see what has happened over the years is the word god has become the word we use when talking about the almighty and in that case no one knows what colour he is but i would say that given the true history of the world the chances are he would be black. .   
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Molliebaz on July 03, 2007, 11:30:08 AM
Greeting Faadaras,


Thank you for your explanation.
I overstand what you are saying.  Maybe these days some of our doctors would be seen as gods as in the eyes of people from history they would be performing miracles.

Some of the ancient people, like the Egyptians had gods that did not even look like man,  they took on the form of animals. 

As for the colour of the creator - I prefer to think that this almighty energy is colourless.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Faadaras on July 03, 2007, 11:58:09 AM
As far as energy is concerned if we use means we have glass ,scientific equipment and look at a lot of forms of energy we will see that all forms of energy has colours and there is no form of energy that is colourless,, still i can see why you  say this as its time wasting to worry about what colour the almighty is its more progressive to worry about how we can spread the love energy inside us all as thats more progressive
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Molliebaz on July 03, 2007, 12:34:32 PM
Thank you for your comments - and it does seem a good point wind up on, that wondering about the colour of the Almighty detracts from the true purpose.  Just as an afterthought - what colour would you say the wind is - it is a powerful force, can bring the houses down, destroy things that have stood from time, and we can definitely see the evidence of its energy - but I dont believe it has a colour ? 
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Faadaras on July 03, 2007, 01:39:45 PM
The wind like all energy has colour if we use the right views to see it i e some sort of glass or with scientific machinery
Title: Re: IS GOD BLACK.
Post by: prophet777 on August 03, 2007, 10:51:52 PM
God created the first mankind in his image and likeness (IBLE)...they were BLACK. Nuff proof out there. So what color God ? Nuff said.

It was OK to say God is white till black mankind woke up ! It was OK to say he had no color after that !? Well, he had one until then ! And now, all of a sudden, god have no color !? LOL. Who dem try to fool.

It would b more correct to say that God do not see color - for he made all. But if He made his likeness and image to b black then He does indeed have color ! Or else we would all be transparent/colorless just like Him...as all try fe claim Him to b !

prophet7
Posted on: August 03, 2007, 11:34:59 pm
Make sense out of Babylon none-sense !

prophet7
Title: Re: IS GOD BLACK.
Post by: Ras_Nevoe on August 04, 2007, 08:26:39 AM
God created the first mankind in his image and likeness (IBLE)...they were BLACK. Nuff proof out there. So what color God ? Nuff said.

It was OK to say God is white till black mankind woke up ! It was OK to say he had no color after that !? Well, he had one until then ! And now, all of a sudden, god have no color !? LOL. Who dem try to fool.

It would b more correct to say that God do not see color - for he made all. But if He made his likeness and image to b black then He does indeed have color ! Or else we would all be transparent/colorless just like Him...as all try fe claim Him to b !

prophet7
Posted on: August 03, 2007, 11:34:59 pm
Make sense out of Babylon none-sense !

prophet7

^^^^^^^^^^Makes Sense!

I have a question. There is an abundance of proof, that every religious headfigure and/or GOD, from Yeshua("Jesus"), to Buddha, to The Prophet Mohammed, to Genash, to H.I.M. Haile Selassie I, etc. are all "Black"(non-white), also Istory shows/proves that throughout known Istory, "black"(non-white) people have always been the MORE spiritual "group" of people(even through the thresholds of SLAVERY). Does this not answer the question of whether or not "God is Black". 

We as Rastafarians(most), know that Haile Selassie is JAH/GOD manifested, H.I.M. Haile Selassie I, is a black/afrikan man. This answers the initial question, don't it?


 
JAH GUIDANCE!



Blessings

Ras Nevoe
Title: Re: IS GOD BLACK.
Post by: 08bmurphy on February 05, 2008, 04:12:44 AM
       Jah must be higher than any color barrier.  One love

 Bless,
 
 Brian
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: NegusNegustiality on February 05, 2008, 10:05:27 AM
Ises,
Before posting in an archaic thread please read the entire thread, as black is the absorption of all light and colors.  Rastafari is grounded as an Afreecan liberation movement simply.

Holy I
Title: Re: IS GOD BLACK.
Post by: damian_marley on February 12, 2008, 02:40:07 AM
Jah is neither white nor black he is beyond our world and therefore beyond our world's skin pigmentations, seen?

one love
Jah Bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: NegusNegustiality on February 12, 2008, 10:00:37 AM
Ises,
No young Damian Jah is Black, which is the total absorption of all light and colors which means Jah is black as manifested in Haile Selassie I.  No more confusion-

inHIM
Title: Re: IS GOD BLACK.
Post by: prophet777 on February 15, 2008, 10:00:57 PM
Is HE white ? Show I proof of it in your answer...

Now go ahead and answer that !?

prophet7
Posted on: February 15, 2008, 09:14:13 pm
If God was ever white where do we blacks come from ?

No white can ever (biologically, genetically, scientifically create a black man !!) So where are we from ?

Aliens ??

Maybe.

That means we are part of something you can never ever overstand - something BIGGER than you. Something that some of you will never overstand.

prophet7


Posted on: February 15, 2008, 09:54:20 pm
Some ONE....bigger than the god u believe in (those of u that do). Why ? Ponder pon that.

P7
Title: Re: IS GOD BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on February 16, 2008, 02:51:10 AM
Is HE white ?

God is the almighty. Why do you feel color is important?

A black person can not know what it feels like to be white just as a white person can not know what it feels like to be black.

How can you ever reach the conclusion there is a difference?
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: NegusNegustiality on February 19, 2008, 04:43:53 PM
Ises,
Oskar I thought the I was around for the race reasonings?  It has been well documented and established that all of this is in direct rasponse to the eternal war against white supremacy that controls the globe.  Reread Prophet777's post and ask yourself does he lie or does it make sense and offend you?  Feel no way, ah so it go.

inHIM
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Oskar on February 19, 2008, 09:40:53 PM
Ises I,
I find neither lie nor offense in prophet's post. I'm here for the reasoning still.

Bless
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: florida rasta on March 01, 2008, 06:44:03 AM
maybe this has already been said in one of the previous 17 pages of replies, but if you want Jah to be black, then he's black. If you want him to be white, he's white. The reality is that the almighty lives not soley in an imaginary place in the sky, but here on earth within different people. Jah is present whenever any person of any race does something to posetively impact anothers life. So all in all, God, Jah, the Almighty, whatever you want to call him is all colours, which makes him no colour. think about it.

JAH. pce
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: rootsridge on March 01, 2008, 04:36:49 PM
^^^ love that post natty dread
Title: Re: IS GOD BLACK.
Post by: Jah-Sonic on March 03, 2008, 12:05:03 PM
My answer is this:

God created both black and white, he created animals, he created plants, water.
I believe god is not of a human form, but he lives through his creations on this earth and worlds out there that may exsist.

I believe he speaks through us all, our minds, our actions and words.  I do not beleve god is human or has colour, God is simply the artist, the world is the canvas and we are his acrylic colours, metaphorically speaking.
Title: Re: IS GOD BLACK.
Post by: prophet777 on March 03, 2008, 08:33:45 PM
Well I answer to that is out of the Ible i.e., "God created man IN HIS OWN IMAGE (IN HIS OWN LIKENESS)."

Now everyone knows where the original "MAN" is from. Today at least.

Now what was that "MAN's" (HUMANS) appearance like then ? What was his/her color, seeing that he or she resembled GOD in every way ?
Where him from ?

400 (a little more than that) years ago your forefathers were preaching a false message that most (most of you) accepted until,...those same people, that were criticized as being evil,   said something against it (according to the truth that is even written in your Ible).
Many of y'all people, after that, continued this hate till after some of your own started preaching what we were saying from the start - with proof...proof that we were talking about years ago...many years ago ! Proof that we all ready had. Proof that they are now getting credit for !

So, now, seeing that this truth has changed NOTHING (for whatever reason) why should we not reason about it ?
Nah run I up with this "peace, it is all over" talk man. Me nah deal with that till them all accept these facts. Yes till the "ALL" accept them.

Many pon here do not ! So I and I gonna keep on "preaching" i.e., telling the real TRUTH about this situation. It has not changed ! Just under another "mask."

Prophet7
Posted on: March 03, 2008, 08:29:57 pm
Rasta mean righteousness, truth. So, being a RASTA, I and I will talk about it. If you like it or not. Simple. I and I nah run away from it...I and I embrace it and face it, till now !

prophet7
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: NegusNegustiality on March 03, 2008, 08:34:48 PM
Yes Prophet,
Mek it blaze!

Holy I
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: ricardo507 on July 17, 2009, 01:09:46 AM
I dont think he is black or white, I dont consider him to just be a presence, or just an energy of good, you know
what I mean? its hard to explain.  Like I believe god cant look like a human and have a type of skin, i really dont
have a better explanation. 
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Human on July 19, 2009, 03:30:53 PM
Just another so called "tough Ras" spouting off words as if they can hurt someone, it's all they ever bring to the table, it's as if they are scared shitless to ever look up anything at all about any subject, so instead they would rather think that they are wise or tough or strong by spitting out garbage after garbage like they are in Kindergarten, even that's giving them too much credit though.

Of course God is black, and then instead of backing up there claim with anything thats in the least bit wise they throw out comments and insults, it's laughable in the extreme, it seams as if every so called Rasta forum is like this, it should be I guess because Ras Tafari and "Rasta Forum" is an oxymoron to begin with, you get nothing about Ras Tafari but boatloads of "Rasta Knowledge" coming from one's who have clearly done no research on anything Ethiopia or Ras Tafari, Oh yeah i forgot it's a "who feels it knows it" thing, please give me a break.

Dealing with people like Elijah I, who is now under the name Juan Diego Elias on WOJ forum and Fiyah and others who spout comments all day and never anything solid is the equivalent of going to a knife fight, I bring a gun and they bring a baby spoon and fling crumbs at you, they never can answer a question nor will they when asked about anything......because they can't, they are not knowledgeable on anything, they are shirt sleave wearing rastas, it looks cool, sounds cool, feels cool, but that's it.

It a smart move to close this forum, it is a step of respect in the direction of Ras Tafari because Ras Tafari is to be lived not spoken of on some forum were clowns like Fiyah and Elijah bring there un-educated "wisdom" to the table.

By the way...speaking in Iyaric doesn't count for an understanding of anything Rasta.
Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: Human on July 19, 2009, 06:02:16 PM
Lol, again more tough guy business, call me Nostradamus because your type is always predictable, like a big neon book cover to read.

White Lexus?        no it's brown.

Attorney Gal........uhm sorry genius wrong again.

"I coming to get you"    lolololol....ok here I am come get me in cyber space, is this like World of Warcraft or something like it...lol.

"WIFE TAKING PAYOFF UNDER THE TABLE, HUH? "   Uhm no wrong again, you must be confused with your boyfriend doing what you like to you under your table......Ouch now that's some FIYAHHHHHH!!!! 


No really though..Blessed Love!!!    is that what you learned from some Bobo's on a youtube video, clown.


Title: Re: IS  GOD  BLACK.
Post by: prophet777 on July 22, 2009, 07:22:16 PM
........


One more thing - GOD IS BLACK - like it or not.

Listen...if u were to create someone in your image, your likeness, your..whatever. If you create "such" would you not want "it" to have the same visual tendency ? Why make it "white" if u are "black" ?
We all now know that the first human being was "...." LOL. So ...? Is it so hard to accept or, is it that most (babylon) just do not want fe accept it ? Is putting right for wrong and wrong for right or, ignoring it totally gonna change it ? I do not think so.

A lot of people in this world will have to finally come to terms with real-ity, come to terms with the truth - like it or not. God is black. Why ? The first man that GOD created in "his image and likeness" was black. This is not a color thing (racism) like most "whites" would like to make it seem, in order to further confuse mankind, that they may keep in control of them, as it is now. This is based on TRUTH.

So, for I and I to say that GOD is black - has nothing at all to do with color - It is a FACT. It is just like saying the sky is blue, or water is wet, or fire is hot = fact. Anyone that try fe make it, or I look bad for saying so, need to check him or her self. Check what you dip in to because this i.e., RASTA is a black "thing."
 
Why are you here if u can not accept it !!? What is your purpose of tring fe make JAH a rainbow (wordly meant) ? JAH ain't no clown or hippie. JAH is not multicolor (in appearance). JAH is not your TV. JAH is black man. No word, sound or power can change that ! If you can not, as an individual, accept that then you have automatically chosen the wrong way to go. Why ? Because you are on RASTAS livity/site/forum and RASTA embrace the TRUTH. We do not question it !! There is no question about it (unless you are babylon) !!

Simple.

P7