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Title: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: Positive_Vibration on July 16, 2005, 03:44:13 AM
Greetings.

Let me first say that I know and FEEL that Selassie said Christ is beyond religion and fully overstand HIM's divinity and HIM being Jah in the flesh.

I however ask for your take on this Selassie I quote. It is the same one that lead Marley himself (before his seperation into the energies,) and twenty years later Marcia Griffiths to believe that Selassie is just a normal man.

"I have heard of that idea. I also met certain Rastafarians. I told them clearly that I am a man, that I am mortal, and that I will be replaced by the oncoming generation, and that they should never make a mistake in assuming or pretending that a human being is emanated from a deity."

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: joeyb on July 16, 2005, 12:29:06 PM
The Bible makes the prophesy that many will come claiming to be the Christ - but this claim reveals them as false prophets. So many Rastaman say that this is why Selassie I denied being divine: if H.I.M. were to admit it- H.I.M. wouldn't be it.

However, isn't it possible that H.I.M. simply wasn't divine, H.I.M. was telling the truth? The Messiah might tiptoe around the subject in a "not saying I am, not saying I'm not" sort of way - but wouldn't flat out deny it. I know many will say this is to fulfill prophesy: but if Christ is indeed perfect - then wasn't the claim "I am not divine" a lie?
just some thoughts to reason pon, any ideas?

OneLove
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: ArkI on July 16, 2005, 02:28:28 PM
Here is a a post I made before about this interview:


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Selassie I is One with Jah, Selassie I is Jah.

A lot of people use the interview answer below to say that Selassie is not Jah. But it is just misinterpretation of his words.

Bill Mc Neil: "there are millions of Christians throughout the world, your Imperial Majesty, who regard you as the reincarnation of Jesus Christ."

Selassie I: "I had heard of that idea. I also met certain Rastafarians. I told them clearly that 'I am a man,' that 'I am mortal,'(I have heard that an Ethiopian that listened to this interview said that Selassie I never said mortal) and that 'I would be replaced by the oncoming generation, and that they should never make a mistake in assuming or pretending that the human being is emanated from a deity.'"


When I look at RasTafarI's answer, this is how I Iverstand it. He showed the people that he is a man, and will be replaced by the oncoming generation. Selassie I was born of mother and father, just like I and I, so he didn't come out(emanate) of God, any more than I and I. Both I and I and Selassie I came from the lineage of Adam and Eve.

Notice that he said that a human cannot emanate from God, but he never said that a human cannot be God. I and I can be God, but only by being One with Jah. I and I can't be God separate from Jah, as two gods. But I and I can only join with Jah, to be One with him, as One God.

Selassie lives by the example of Christ, so he became One with Jah by his destiny and livity. And all of I and I can also be One with Jah, by I and I livity. Selassie I said that "we should never make a mistake in assuming or pretending that the human being is emanated from a deity". This statement shows I that no man, not even the Son of Man Christ, emanated (or came out) from God. Christ was born of his mother Mary, and by his destiny and livity became One with Jah.

Jah first sent Christ born from a virgin, to show I and I the way to live. But afterwards, people made the excuse that they can't live without sin, or be One with Jah. They made the excuse that because Christ was born differently, that it was possible for him to live this way, but not for us, because we are born from mother and father.

So Jah sent RasTafarI to I and I, to show I and I the way to live. Haile Selassie I was born of mother and father, just like I and I, so we no longer have the excuse that we can't live without sin and be One with Jah. If Selassie I can be born like I and I, and still live without sin and be One with Jah, then I and I can do the same.

So I and I should know that it is not about I and I coming out of God to be One with Jah. But it is about I and I going to God to be One with Jah. And I and I go to God by living in His way and listening to His instruction and joining ourselves with the Most High.

Jah RasTafarI is One with Jah, and like I already said about One. One is One in completeness, no separation, and no parts. And I and I are supposed to be One with Jah also, this is the way to reach Zion, because no sin shall not enter in.
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Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: TREE-NATTY on July 16, 2005, 04:45:41 PM
E.M.HTP!!!

Good one Ark!

Well Selassie said he is a man!

Why does everyone think or feel that Selassie speaks in parables? Christ didn't speak that way! The writers of his story did! So now Selassie comes out and say that he doesn't come from god. And you feel this means he is not the son of god. Because he has a mom and dad. Well he just saying that if Selassie is god and christ than so is TREE-NATTY! LOL! Christ means anointed in this modern time. Which Selassie was during his coronation. But it also means savior in this time as well. But who did Selassie save? Ethiopians have respect for their past emperors. But if you know the reason why Ethiopia rose against Selassie, and it was ALL of ethiopia! Then you can overstand his statement, just as a man we make mistakes and gain experiences. This is what Selassie was saying that he is not perfect, in a world thats not a perfect place, compared to Christian doctrine. But he was perfect in the christian doctrine......... This is what Ethiopia went thru during his coup. They knew that Selassie was the perfect christian but that wasn't needed for the modern world. Those that believe in him believes in christianity, and he is the fullment of the christian doctrine. For he Selassie felt he lead the perfect christian way, so anyone one against him was against god.

HRU
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: Positive_Vibration on July 16, 2005, 07:58:30 PM
Seen. I give thanks for Fiyahbun, Ark I, and Tree Natty all coming to reason on this topic.

I fully and wholly overstand that Selassie I is one with Jah. That Christ is beyond religion and is consciousness, and that Selassie I lived in the highest consciousness and was the annointed king of king and lord of lords.

I guess my confusion was more in HIM saying that he'd be replaced by the oncoming generations. Whether he meant through divinity or through goverment power. For I know that HIM is living to this day in the Iternal energies.

Thank you though. All your posts are most appreciated.

One love
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: joeyb on July 16, 2005, 08:02:59 PM
"Notice that he said that a human cannot emanate from God, but he never said that a human cannot be God. I and I can be God, but only by being One with Jah."

I see your reasoning here, I understand.
But did Selassie I ever say that a human being can be God, by being One with Jah? Any quotes to support this? Because I haven't seen H.I.M. believe this.

just curious, I like your reasoning. ultimately, I see Selassie I divinity as something that cannot be proven, except in One's own heart - but I'd love to hear some reasoning pon this - it interests me greatly.

OneLove
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: NegusNegustiality on July 16, 2005, 10:49:42 PM
Ises,
Ini jest waan seh dat dis quote has been screw-tinized, anal-lies-ed, pondered, debated and reasoned on unceasingly since I-Majesty spoke dese very words.

Ini ask what I-Majesty was supposed tuh seh?  dat He is more dan a man?  was He not supposed tuh seh dat He would be replaced by deh oncoming generations, when in reality He was not followed by anyone pon deh Throne of David.

Tree, biggup unuself for an Istorically accurate reasoning.

Haile I Bless
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: Positive_Vibration on July 17, 2005, 05:45:56 AM
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"Notice that he said that a human cannot emanate from God, but he never said that a human cannot be God. I and I can be God, but only by being One with Jah."

I see your reasoning here, I understand.
But did Selassie I ever say that a human being can be God, by being One with Jah? Any quotes to support this? Because I haven't seen H.I.M. believe this.

just curious, I like your reasoning. ultimately, I see Selassie I divinity as something that cannot be proven, except in One's own heart - but I'd love to hear some reasoning pon this - it interests me greatly.

OneLove


Are you waiting for him to come out and say "I am Jah! All hail!"

My brother, Rastafari is no cult!

If you want to see the divinity of HIM read ANY of his speeches. His words were those to save generations Iternally, (onto this day,) and you can see through his ACTIONS him's livity.

By achieving the consciousness he did, he BECAME Jah in the flesh, and was also annointed the King of Kings and Lord of Lords when he became emporer of Ethiopia. No one is denying that he came out of his mothers legs and that he used the toilet to relieve himself on a daily basis - he was human. Thats why we say Jah in the FLESH, that was his physical BODY, but the soul, which is INTANGIBLE, (therefore you cannot SEE it and so no concrete anything will appear before your own eyes,) was one and the same with Jah with NO seperation between the two.

It takes a higher consciousness to overstand this but please meditate on that and it will without doubt come.

One
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: Positive_Vibration on July 17, 2005, 04:14:19 PM
Good post Fiyah. All words there are seen, agreed, and felt.

One
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: kinfokedez on July 17, 2005, 08:05:22 PM
Greetings to the collective

"I have heard of that idea. I also met certain Rastafarians. I told them clearly that I am a man, that I am mortal, and that I will be replaced by the oncoming generation, and that they should never make a mistake in assuming or pretending that a human being is emanated from a deity."


some Rasses explain it this way....

Jn 14:12  which reads:  

 Very truly, I tell you, the one who believes in me will also do the works that I do and, in fact, will do greater works than these, becasue I am going to the Father.

Selassie:  I told them clearly that I am a man, that I am mortal, and that I will be replaced by the oncoming generation........"

as far as man emanating from a deity statement, man and woman come from man and woman, caw I know of no other species of man cept mortal.......

As I see it, no contradiction in this interview......no hollyweird special effects  'god'

Bless Up



Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: newrasta on July 17, 2005, 09:38:30 PM
Greetings!

I love this thread!!!

I hae learned so much after only 12 posts! I was 90% percent sure of Selassie I' Divinity, but now I am 110% SURE that HIM Selassie I is Divine!

I give thanks to FiyahBun, Ark I, kinfokedez, and to Positive_Vibration for starting this thread. Thank you all!

Jah Bless.

Ras Evan
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: ArkI on July 17, 2005, 10:31:19 PM
joeyb, you said,
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But did Selassie I ever say that a human being can be God, by being One with Jah? Any quotes to support this? Because I haven't seen H.I.M. believe this.
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In the speeches of Selassie I, He didn't repeat every single thing that was written in the bible.  But Selassie I lived by the ways of God, and Selassie I is One in Spirit and agreement with Christ.  So you just have to look to what was said when Christ came in the days of the bible.

John 10
[32] Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
[33] The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
[34] Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
[35] If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
[36] Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
[37] If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
[38] But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.


Christ is referring to this scripture:

Pss.82
[1] God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
[2] How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
[3] Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
[4] Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
[5] They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
[6] I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
[7] But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
[8] Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.



Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: ArkI on July 17, 2005, 10:32:15 PM
Christ is One with Jah, RasTafarI is One with Jah, and all that live for Jah are One with Jah. One is one in completeness, there is no separation in One. So Christ is Jah, RasTafarI is Jah, and all that live for Jah is Jah. One is what Christ told I and I to be, and is what Christ asked Jah to make us be.

John 14
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 15
1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

John 17
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: TREE-NATTY on July 17, 2005, 11:36:58 PM
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Good post Fiyah. All words there are seen, agreed, and felt.

One


E.M.HTP!

Vibe really? That was good and agreed pon? You must have checked out what he said? I came up with something different, what did you come up with?

Ark

Some of the John verses sound straight batty to me!!! Where is the Goddess in all this? Those verses sounds like Queer Eyes for Rastafar-i!!!!
LOL!

Still great post from before doe!

HRU
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: Positive_Vibration on July 18, 2005, 12:37:33 AM
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E.M.HTP!

Vibe really? That was good and agreed pon? You must have checked out what he said? I came up with something different, what did you come up with?


Most everything in that post were things felt and agreed prior to reading it.

I'm very interested though - what is the something different you came up with?

Love and respect
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: Izreal on July 18, 2005, 03:36:38 AM
De truth is in plain sight Selessie is a Man just like I&I is a man and him tell the truth. War yuh wan hear him say him God? What Rasta know about God that God dont know bout Rasta? God is a spirit and Selassie is a man him say so himself. What more yuh war hear?
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: ArkI on July 18, 2005, 03:46:43 AM
Tree-Natty,

Look at those scriptures in a spiritual way, not physically.

And about the Goddess.  When man and woman come together, they become One flesh.  And as we were created in the image of God, the God and Goddess comes together as One Spirit.

Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: TREE-NATTY on July 18, 2005, 12:19:05 PM
E.M.HTP!!!!

Vibe

You said the same thing from the last posts. What was it the fire said that you already agreed with and why?

Ark

I look at all things in a metaphysical way, for I don't live in just a spiritual world. All things must be looked upon in male and female and spiritual and physical. So again if I look at those verse that some anty man thing.
I really don't understand how two flesh come together to make one spirit? Maybe one body but not one spirit. And again "god" is male aspect. So man takes over the woman and bears child too? Something wrong there Ark something very wrong!!!
HRU
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: joeyb on July 18, 2005, 04:07:04 PM
"Gender is not just sexual gender. Sexual gender is the most basic manifestation."

Wise words. I see God as man and woman - I see the verses from John simply say He because they don't want to say It (this is disrespectful).
why God is always portrayed as a man, I don't know (perhaps others will).

-

Thanks Ark from the verses from John, they have been a great help. But if everyOne is One with God (which I'm not doubting) where does human inclination to sin come into it?

OneLove
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: ital on July 18, 2005, 05:02:15 PM
greetings,  to  me  men  like  selassie  and  jesus  are  just  men  like  ourself,  if  anyman  come  with  the  compleat  word  of  god,  that  still  would  not  make  the  messenger  of  god,  god,  so  for  me  a  man  is  just  a  man,  dont  get  me  wrong  i  respect  to  the  fullest  all  messenger  of  god  and  will  listen  and  obay  what  they  say,  but  to  see  another  man  as  god  is  beyond  me,  no  man  in  their  right  mind  would  say  that  they  are  god.  jesus  and  selassie  were  men  of  right  mind,  they  themselves  never  tell  anyone  that  they  were  god,  it  is  others  that  insist  that  they  are  god, are  higher  than  normal  man,  some  are  seeing  devinity  in  another,  but  what  about  the  devinity  in  your  own  self,  what  do  you  think  that  god  give  to  either  jesus  or  selassie  that  he  did  not  also  give  us,  if  you  was  a  god  before  once  you  enter  into  physical  life  you  become  a  man  or  a  woman  not  a  god,  here  you  must  go  through  the  things  that  man  have  to  go  through  and  die  like  how  men  have  to  die,  so  as  i  see  it  a  man  is  just  a  man  even  selassie.  one  love  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: M-Dub on July 18, 2005, 05:27:18 PM
Greetings and peace.

I find it interesting and amusing that so many people must work so hard to denounce what others believe. Is it to justify their beliefs?

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: Ras Saadon on July 18, 2005, 08:00:51 PM
it is kinda funny.. but it also good cuz then that one 'defending' his faith has a chance of testing his faith and see what level of commitment he has to it.. its a good test.
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: DEVIN on July 19, 2005, 02:22:31 AM
all i gatta say is that if he is not jahjah then y do he anser my prayer?
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: DEVIN on July 19, 2005, 02:26:49 AM
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it is kinda funny.. but it also good cuz then that one 'defending' his faith has a chance of testing his faith and see what level of commitment he has to it.. its a good test.


i was thinkin that 2...
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: DEVIN on July 19, 2005, 02:31:08 AM
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Greetings.

I however ask for your take on this Selassie I quote. It is the same one that lead Marley himself (before his seperation into the energies,) and twenty years later Marcia Griffiths to believe that Selassie is just a normal man.[/i]."


i heard a story about bobs mother said when he was in his death bed, she said" let jesus save you and he said no Jah rastafari"? any1 else heard that?
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: ital on July 19, 2005, 04:05:34 AM
greetings  m  dub,  who  are  the  many  that  are  working  to  denounce  what  others  believe  here,  people  was  ask  for  their  opinion  witch  they  are  giveing,  either  for  are  against  but  i  would  not  call  that  denounceing  a  next  man  belief,  if  a  next  man  is  certian  of  his  belief  then  what  does  it  matter  what  a  next  man  say  about  it,  i  cannot  speak  for  a  next  man  bredrin  but  iam  not  here  to  denounce  anyone  belief  but  to  reason  this  is  not  a  war  zone.  one  love  to  all  jah  chrildrens  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: M-Dub on July 19, 2005, 04:29:06 PM
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greetings  m  dub,  who  are  the  many  that  are  working  to  denounce  what  others  believe  here,


They know who they are.

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people  was  ask  for  their  opinion  witch  they  are  giveing,  either  for  are  against  but  i  would  not  call  that  denounceing  a  next  man  belief,


Neither would I.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: ital on July 19, 2005, 06:04:50 PM
greetings  m  dub,  maybe  them, whoever  them  are,  dont  realise  that  they  are  doing  so,  if  you  as  a  brother  realise  that  your  brother  is  making  a  mistake  then  as  a  true  brother  it  is  your  duty  to  tell  the  brother,  if  they  know  who  they  are,  then  they  must  be  evil,  with  no  love  in  their  hearts,  because  to  come  amonghst  bredrins  with  the  hidden  agenda  of  denounceing  them  or  their  beliefs  is  evil  indeed,  as  a  rightious  man  yourself  iam  asking  you  please  be  honest  dont  be  coy,  who  are  you  talking  about,  if  iam  one  of  them  please  say  so, so  that  i  can  defend  my  self.  one  love  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: M-Dub on July 19, 2005, 07:48:32 PM
Greetings and peace.

By listing names on this forum I would do nothing but start a fight/argument. You know in your heart what you are and what message you spread.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: ital on July 20, 2005, 05:26:50 AM
greetings  bredrin  m  dub,  I  do  know  in  my  heart  who  Iam,  and  also  what  message  i  spread,  Iam  a  follower  of  the  one  that  you  cannot  hide  from,  tell  me  do  you  know  a  man  who  ever  live  that  could  hide  from  himself,  IAM  trying  to  spread  the  message  of  this  one,  this  one  dwell  within  all,  if  all   could  understand  this  one,  our  problems  on  earth  would  be  over,  but  because  the  great  mojority  dont  undrestand  this  one,  you  have  all  this  problems  on  earth,  the  onlything  i  want  to  do  brother  m  dub,  is  to  help  others  to  understand  their  ownself,  so  that  they  can  know  the  truth  for  themselves,  instead  of  realying  on  what  others  claim  to  be  the  truth,  it  must  be  because  you  believe  in  selassie  and  i  dont,  but  that  is  the  difference  between  me  and  all  those  who  believe  in  either  jusus  or  selassie,  they  believe  in  a  next  man,  even  claiming  that  such  a  man  is  devine,  but  i  believe  in  the  spirit  of  god  that  dwell  within  my  own  being,  not  in  a  next  man,  to  me  all  men  weather  they  are  call  jesus  or  selassie  are  just  men  like  myself  my  brothers,  why  should  a  next  man  be  offended  if  another  man  have  faith  in  his  ownself,  instead  of  someone  else,  there  is  a  saying  that  say  one  must  know  their  ownself,  it  did  not  say  you  must  know  another  man,  because  that  is  not  wisdom,  but  to  know  your  ownself  that  is  wisdom  indeed.  one  love  to  all  who  live  on  planet  earth. RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: joeyb on July 20, 2005, 10:28:03 AM
"The inclination to do wickedness resides in the lower nature of people. When one raises their consciousness and sacrifices the lower nature then one connects to the higher oneness."

Great words man, I see clearly your view on sin. But without being forgiven, doesn't wickedness just lay on our conscience - even after we've raised our consciousness (guilt.) For me, forgiveness (by someOne with the authority to forgive) is the only freedom from guilt.

19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.  
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.  


Thanks for these verses. But don't they refer to life post-Judgement Day: this is inferred by "At that day:"? For those who don't believe in Judgement Day (which is a fair argument), what other day is this? either way, it seems that these verses infer that Oneness with God is attained after (so-called) death.

"jesus  and  selassie  were  men  of  right  mind,  they  themselves  never  tell  anyone  that  they  were  god"

Any evidence behind this view? For if you refer to what Jesus said, the only source is the Bible, in which Jesus states He is the Messiah. As for Selassie I: well H.I.M.'s claims are what this whole thread is about, and it seems there is much more to H.I.M.'s words than meets the eye.

"if  you  was  a  god  before  once  you  enter  into  physical  life  you  become a  man  or  a  woman  not  a  god"

Most believe that Jesus (or Selassie I or both) was 100% God and 100% Man, please meditate on these words before attacking them - because it can take years of mental delibration to understand them.

"i heard a story about bobs mother said when he was in his death bed, she said" let jesus save you and he said no Jah rastafari"? any1 else heard that?"

I have heard (on television interview) Marcia and Rita both state that Bob's final words were concerning Jesus the Christ not RastafarI. but then again, Bob wasn't perfect: although I agree with him.

"I find it interesting and amusing that so many people must work so hard to denounce what others believe. Is it to justify their beliefs?"

M-Dub, you are quite right - to denounce is to reveal One's own insecurity. Just to clarify, I hope I do not come across as the denouncer, because I am learning as is everyOne. All reasoning out of love.

OneLove
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: M-Dub on July 20, 2005, 05:26:11 PM
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it  must  be  because  you  believe  in  selassie  and  i  dont,  but  that  is  the  difference  between  me  and  all  those  who  believe  in  either  jusus  or  selassie,


Please don't assume things Idren. You do not know what you are speaking of here. I have noticed that you assume things that are incorrect many times, saying people are attacking you, saying people are following blindly, and now, saying who I follow when you do not know. I think this is something to take note of if you do not know who you are. Much raspect.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: ital on July 21, 2005, 03:52:28 AM
greetings,  m  dub,  if  you  have  someting  to  contribute,  to  this  reasoning  please  do  so,  if  your  not  a  follower  of  selassie,  then  just  tell  me  that  iam  wrong  in  thinking  so,  there  is  no  need  for  saying  that  iam  always  assumeing  things  that  are  incorrect,  like  i  say  if  selassie  is  not  your  saviour  just  tell  me  so,  so  that  in  the  future  i  will  not  make  that  mistake  again,  dont  bother  with  any  coy  reply,  I  have  ask  you  a  clear  question,  just  give  me  a  clear  answer.  in  jamaica  we  would  say  a  man  like  your  self  is  hideing  behind  the  bush,  well  i  would  like  you  to  come  from  behind  the  bush,  in  other  words  show  yourself,  I  dont  mean  you  must  show  yourself  so  that  i  can  see  you,  I  mean  in  your  reasoning.  one  love  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: joeyb on July 21, 2005, 10:43:36 PM
Cheers for your point on guilt Fiyah: I will meditate on this before responding: you will hear from me again one day - but I must delibrate for now.

but to raise a couple of points:

1) Does anyOne believe that Selassie I is the First Messiah, not a Second Coming of Christ? What does this imply for H.I.M.'s statement ("Claiming He Is Plain Man")?

2) For those who believe in H.I.M. as Second Coming: many quote Matthew 24:5 as justification for H.I.M. statements.
what do you make of Jesus' comments in Mark 13:21? - "And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or. lo. he is there; believe him not."

the same sentiments are found in Matthew 24:23. I don't come to bash you with the Bible: I am simply yearning for understanding on this thread - which is key to my spiritual development (and I believe, everyOne's.)

OneLove
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on July 21, 2005, 11:33:29 PM
How Can You Bash Rastafari with the Bible? [smiley=huh.gif]
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: Izreal on July 22, 2005, 01:29:54 AM
Yuh cant find HIM in no Christian Bible.
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: joeyb on July 22, 2005, 06:37:37 PM
EliJAH: I simply mean (by "Bible-bashing") I don't mean to thrust the Bible into people who don't feel the need for it, as many Idren don't. (read earlier posts and posts on Who Is The Messiah?)

Izrael: many Idren see H.I.M. in the Bible, prophesied as the Messiah. (second or first.) I agree that H.I.M. isn't in the Bible, but many believe H.I.M. is.

OneLove
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: NegusNegustiality on July 22, 2005, 09:36:48 PM
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Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: joeyb on July 23, 2005, 08:26:42 PM
Fiyah: why is everything based on astrology and mathematics? I am struggling to understand why 2+3=5 (H.I.M.'s Earthday) automatically corresponds with Revelation 5.5. It looks like One has just added the two digits of the day and come up with a prophesy: I am struggling with this one. Why couldn't it be Corinthians 5:5 which talks about the "day of the Lord Jesus" or any other 5:5?
just trying to get my head round it all.

OneLove
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: joeyb on July 24, 2005, 08:59:48 PM
thanks Fiyah: I'll try and read up on this 'fore I make my own comments on it (any good books?)

Sorry to keep asking questions: but as I have said, I wish to learn.
What do Idren make of Psalm 110:

"The LORD said unto my Lord..."
"Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek."

The first quote is referred to by Jesus in Mark 12:35-37, in which he explains that King David (Israel's greatest king) would consider the Messiah not just his son, but his Lord. this showed the Messiah would be more than just David's earthly descendent: he would be the Son of God (not one with JAH in the way that we all apparently are: saying we are all children of God is not the same.)

The second quote can be linked with Hebrews 5:5-6 (these 5:5 verses seem to be pretty key, eh Fiyah  [smiley=wink.gif]): which associates Jesus with High Priesthood (ordained by God: not Man, like Melchizedek.)
-Was H.I.M. ever referred to as the High Priest? (I don't know)

Any ideas Idren?

OneLove
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: ital on July 25, 2005, 01:09:04 PM
bredrin   joey,   the    knowledge  of  the  bible  and  other  holy  books,  are  of  great  importance,  and  if  one  can  read  it  is  good  to  read  books  like  those, but  knowledge  is  not  wisdom,  to  know  wisdom  you  must  know  your  ownself,  what  is  the  point  of  knowing  the  bible  when  you  do  not  understand  your  ownself,  to  know  your  self  you  must  be  strieveing  to  live  good  with  your  fellow  human  beings,  if  your  not  doing  this  all  your  doing  is  repeating  other  peoples  ideas,  because  that  is  what  knowledge  is,  wisdom  is  when  you  know  the  truth  yourself.  one  love  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: EmpressCarla on July 25, 2005, 01:15:17 PM
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to  know  your  self  you  must  be  strieveing  to  live  good  with  your  fellow  human  beings.

So, to know myself intrinsically, I have to act externally?

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: ital on July 26, 2005, 05:02:25 AM
greeting  empress  carla,  your  post  was  not  a  long  one,  but  you  sum  up  every  thing  that  i  have  been  trying  my  best  to  do  in  all  the  post  that  i  have  posted  on  this  forum,  IT  was  simpley  put,  but  the  simple  truth  is  always  the  best,  to  recap,  one  must  live  good  externally  if  they  want  to  reveal  the  light  within.  one  love  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: ArkI on July 28, 2005, 04:03:18 AM
Joey, in Psalms it says,

Ye are gods, and all of ye are children of the Most High.  But ye shall die like men and fall like one of the princes.

Not all people are One with Jah.  Like I said in the opening paragraph of I post:

Christ is One with Jah, RasTafarI is One with Jah, and all that live for Jah are One with Jah. One is one in completeness, there is no separation in One. So Christ is Jah, RasTafarI is Jah, and all that live for Jah is Jah. One is what Christ told I and I to be, and is what Christ asked Jah to make us be.  

Jah has created man to Live as Jah. One who knows what is righteousness and what is wickedness, but chooses righteousness. When we do this, I and I are truly in the image of Jah.

So Jah has given us an environment where we can either develop as One Like unto Jah, or as men separate from Jah. So men and women make choices, and choices bring about consequences, both for the chooser and who is affected by the chooser.

I and I have been given the choice to trod with Jah, or not to trod with Jah. Jah made I and I to have knowledge so that we can make changes within us and outside of us. So we have the power to build or destroy. If I and I are trodding with Jah, then we will build what should be built and destroy what should be destroyed. Sometimes certain things need to be destroyed. For example, the food we eat is destroyed by our teeth and enzymes, and then rebuilt to fuel and repair our body. Jah will keep I and I in the right balance if we Live by the example of Jah. If we are trodding against Jah, then we will live with imbalance and not do our part in this Creation, but we will be working against Life.

As I have said, we have been given the ability to build and destroy. These abilities are not evil, but are there to promote Life. Jah doesn't want I and I to only do good because we have no choice. Jah is developing a Perfect Creation that will choose righteousness, not because they were programmed to choose righteousness, but because they have risen up within themself and have chosen good over evil.

Jah knows all things and is not programmed by anyone, but can see and choose what Jah wants, and Jah always chooses to promote Life. Ye are Gods and all of ye are children of the Most High, but ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. When I and I Live by the example of Jah, then I and I will be a Creation that Lives in the image of Jah, and are not programmed by anyone, but can see and choose what I and I want, and I and I will always choose to promote Life.

So evil comes only from one place, from within ourself, it is our choice to make.


Choose Jah,

James 1
12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.



Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: ital on July 28, 2005, 04:18:15 PM
greetings  bredrin  ARK I,  your  post  is  the  truth,  if  one  live  by  the  advice  of  your  post  then  one  is  following  the  ways  of  jah,  confuseion  come  in  because  we  have  a  choice,  and  we  dont  always  choose  the  ways  of  jah,  but  if  you  dont  choose  the  ways  of  jah,  our  ways  will  always  be  confuse,  some  think  that  the  ways  of  jah  are  written  in  holy  books,  and  so  it  is  if  you  can  read,  but  the  ways  of  jah  lies  within,  whatever  is  written  in  holy  books  that  is  true  are  false,  have  to  come  from  within,  so  the  true  source  is  within,  but  in  general  people  would  rather  put  their  faith  in  their  bibles  than  in  their  own  inner  self,  they  have  no  trust  in  the  source,  they  believe  faithfully  in  jesus  but  in  their  ownself  they  have  no  trust,  how  can  the  spirit  of  jah  reside  in  man  yet  man  have  no  faith  in  this  spirit.  one  love  to  all  who  reside  on  planet  earth  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: EmpressCarla on July 28, 2005, 08:23:23 PM
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greeting  empress  carla,  your  post  was  not  a  long  one,  but  you  sum  up  every  thing  that  i  have  been  trying  my  best  to  do  in  all  the  post  that  i  have  posted  on  this  forum,  IT  was  simpley  put,  but  the  simple  truth  is  always  the  best,  to  recap,  one  must  live  good  externally  if  they  want  to  reveal  the  light  within.  one  love  RASTAFARI.

Greetings ital, can you please explain this further? I am a bit confused. You're saying that in order to reveal the light within, we must first act? This seems backwards to me. Can you elaborate?

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: ital on July 29, 2005, 06:01:49 AM
greetings  empress  carla,  there  is  only  one  reason  why  the  wicked  dont  know  truth,  and   that  reason  is  the  way  that  bad  people  behave,  you  cannot  live  good  with  god  while  ignoring  your  brother,  if  one  cannot  love  a  brother  that  one  can  see,  then  how  can  one  claim  to  love  jah  who  is  unseen,  we  must  learn  to  love  those  that  we  can  see  first,  before  we  can  learn  about  the  love  of  jah,  example  if  your  thief  you  will  not  know  the  light  within  untill  you  act,  the  action  you  must  take in  order  to  understand  what  is  within  is  to  stop  stealing,  the  more  we  live  our  life  honestly  with  those  around  us  is  the  more  we  reveal  what  is  within,  if  we  desire  growth  we  must  sow  our  seeds  in  good  ground,  that  means  we  must  act  good  in  our  every  day  life,  bad  actions  take  you  away  from  the  light  within,  while  right  actions  brings  you  closer,  we  should  look  at  our  own  faults  and  correct  them,  we  will  not  make  any  progress  untill  we  admit  our  own  faults,  and  begin  the  process  of  correction,  the  truth  only  reveal  itself  to  those  who  are  strieveing  to  live  good  with  their  fellow  human  beings.  one  love  to  jah  jah  childrens  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: EmpressCarla on July 29, 2005, 03:36:28 PM
Thanks for the explanation, ital. That helps. I overstand what you are saying, however, I think that change starts from within. One cannot know the light within without first realizing that there is a light within. A thief cannot simply stop stealing without a catalyst. Their conscience would have to tell them that stealing is wrong. True change starts in the mind. The end result is a different action. So I disagree that acting alone will create change. For no change lasts until the mind is changed. A thief can simply stop stealing. That does not make them good on the inside if their thoughts are still wicked.

Matthew 5:28 says, "That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." This is because the lust is born in the mind first. What is in the mind is what will eventually come out in one's actions.

So acting alone is not enough to reflect the light within. One has to start by acknowledging right from wrong. It begins in the thoughts. Thoughts turn into words, and once the word is spoken, it invokes action. Otherwise the actions will never remain consistent.

I agree with you, we must be able to love those who we see if we say we love Jah. Yet true love comes from within. From the knowledge of the Most High. From seeing the reflection of Jah in the individual. When we first change within, it is reflected without.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: M-Dub on July 29, 2005, 03:39:06 PM
Greetings and peace.

My way of finding light was kind of the opposite of what ital is explaining. When I was younger and poorer (money wise) I would steal and lie and such. It was when I found the light within and found Jah that I took the action to stop these things from happening. It wasn't until after I found Jah that I truly started taking positive action. Maybe I am a unique case?

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: ital on July 29, 2005, 07:46:45 PM
greetings  empress  carla  and  m  dub,  I  agree  that  everything   start  within  just  like  you  both  say,  but  if  your  conscience  tell  you  that  stealing  is  wrong,  the  choice  is  then  yours  to  steal  or  not  to  steal  if  you  decide  not  to  steal  then  you  must  apply  that  action  in  your  everyday  life,  put  it  this  way  it  does  not  matter  weather  we  say  it  start  within  or  without,  but  we  can  at  least  agree  that  for  us  to  know  the  light  within,  we  must  be  strieveing  to  live  good  with  everyone  we  meet  and  know  in  life,  to  live  negatively  is  to  move  away  from  that  light.  one  love  to  all  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: ital on July 30, 2005, 10:18:25 AM
greetings,  what  use  is  it  if  one  knows  that  they  should  not  murder  but  still  do  it,  that  is  like  having  a  seed  that  you  refuse  to  sow,  and  if  you  do  not  sow  seeds  how  can  you  expect  a  crop,  knowing  the  truth  is  easy  everyone  knows  truth, even  the  thief  knows  that  stealing  is  wrong,  but  when  one  knows  that  stealing  is  wrong  and  live  a  life  not  stealing,  that  is  good  action,  good  actions  are  like  good  seeds  planted  in  fertile  ground,  if  every  thing  start  from  within,  that  mean  the  real  power  whatever  name  one  choose  to  call  that  power  must  be  within,  so  if  real  power  is  within  my  own  being  why  should  i  follow  a  next  man  who  is  outside  of  my  own  being,  either  one  realy  trust  in  the  power  that  is  within  their  own  being,  or  they  trust  in  someone  outside  of  themselves,  for  example  lots  of  people  put  their  trust  in  their  bible  even  thou  the  bible  is  outside  of  themselves,  they  have  faith  in  the  book  but  none  in  their  ownself,  they  have  faith  in  selassie  and  jesus,  but  none  in  their  own  being,  tell  me  why  should  i  put  my  faith  in  a  next  man  but  not  my  self,  unless  i  think  that  jah  created  the  next  man  better  than  me  witch  i  dont,  to  repeat  good  actions  is  the  key  that  open  up  the  doors  to  rightiousness.  one  love  to  all  who  live  on  planet  earth  RASTAFARI.  
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: EmpressCarla on July 30, 2005, 05:29:44 PM
ital, this argument seems to be getting quite old. You keep wanting to say that Jesus and Selassie are no better than the next man. Okay, I overstand you feel that way. However, if one has achieved a higher consciousness or even the highest consciousness attainable in this earthly realm, why do you seem to think it is wrong to follow that example? I'm not talking about following the man, but the example. It seems you would have each human being reinvent the wheel, which as you truthfully stated, each human being certainly has the ability to do. But what good does that do? Doesn't that just waste time?

By your concept, I see no point in ever reasoning on anything ever again. For all I need to do is look within all the time. That is ignorance and arrogance, though. For certainly, there are others who have a higher level of wisdom than do I. Why would I not follow the path they laid out? By doing so, I can attain that wisdom and perhaps even go beyond it! That is how all learning takes place: from within AND without. You can teach anyone to read (eventually) regardless of the method you use. However, if you find a way to reach the goal that is effective and can work for all, why would you continue to follow the haphazard approach? Why not follow the tried and true approach? Or even if you choose to remain haphazard, why try to force others to follow that as well? Why not let them see for themselves and choose for themselves?

Whether one follows Jesus or Selassie or Buddha or whoever, if what they follow is not the man but the spirit, which was Christly, then to me it makes sense to look at the archetype, the blueprint, in order to attain my own Christly-ness more expediently. This in no way implies I don't trust the light within. But it is the light within that is teaching me that all is One. So I have no need to negate anything outside of myself, because truly it is also within.

You seem to think that if a person looks for anything outside of themselves that means they don't trust themself. That is simply not balanced. That is not reasonable. That is the ego thinking IT is better than the next man. That the next man has absolutely nothing to offer. Well then I ask, what the heck are we doing here?! Why should I strive to live good with my fellow man if he has nothing to offer me in return? I should strive to live good with him for that very reason. That we all have something to offer the next man. We are interdependent. Some people cross our paths in life to show us specific things. That is part of their purpose. So why then can Selassie I or Jesus or whoever not have a purpose that they came to fulfill, to show me something that my own eyes simply could not conceive of?

Each one of us has a purpose. All we have to do is figure out what that purpose is and then get on with the fulfillment of it. I have met some who have helped me to see "the light" within myself much faster than I might have otherwise seen it because they know how to break down the truth to its simplest form. In so doing, I can see things much clearer. Now, certainly I could have attained the same knowledge on my own, but if they get me there quicker why should I reject that? Why should I declare that I can find this knowledge on my own, or by looking within when it is the Spirit within that has revealed itself through this person! That is foolishness, to think so highly of one's ownself and one's own abilities that we ignore the truth because it does not come in the form of our own choosing.

You asked, "tell  me  why  should  i  put  my  faith  in  a  next  man  but  not  my  self?" I don't think anyone here would say that you should. For the record, NO ONE SHOULD PUT THEIR FAITH IN MAN! My faith is not in ANY man. I have faith in Jah, and where He leads, I follow.

If we can agree that certain men have achieved the Highest Consciousness, and that is our goal as well, can you tell me why I should not look to their example whilst also looking within? And I am not talking about the man, I am talking about the "Conscience" of the man, which you said is the same in all. If Selassie knows our shared Conscience better than me, then why should I not look to his example in order to see how to further reveal Conscience in myself? If I ask, "Conscience, reveal yourself to me." And Conscience points me to the Christly example of Selassie and says, "Here's the way," should I still reject that?

I must say ital, in your insistance that one should not follow a Christly example, I am able to further validate for myself why I should.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: ital on July 31, 2005, 09:23:33 AM
greetings  empress  carla,  first  iam  not  having  a  argument  with  anyone  iam  just  reasoning,  can  you  tell  me  in  witch  one  of  my  post  on  this  forum  have  i  insisted  that  people  should  not  follow  the  christly  example,  that  statement  is  wrong  i  have  never  in  my  whole  life  say  any  thing  like  that,  people  are  always  accuseing  me  of  saying  things  that  i  have  not  said,  the  rest  of  your  post    is  the  same,  I  cannot  insist  that  a  next  person  should  do  what  i  say,  we  are  on  a  computer  if  you  are  anyone  else  think  that  iam  insisting  on  them  to  do  some  thing  that  they  know  to  be  wrong,  all  you  have  to  do  is  ignore  my  advice,  again  empress  you  might  not  understand  my  reasonings,  but  your  not  the  only  person  on  a  computer  and  if  you  read  this  tread  you  will  find  someone  else  with  a  different  opinion  of  my  post  than  yourself,  if  you  cannot  understand  anything  that  iam  reasoning  about  or  if  you  thing  that  iam  talking  rubbish,  or  if  you  think  that  iam  here  to  argue  with  you  or  anyone  else  please  do  not  respond  to  any  of  my  post,  if  i  was  reasoning  with  someone  who  was  totally  ignorant  like  myself,  I  would  stop  after  a  while  untill  that  one  learn  not  to  be  so  ignorant,   again  please  point  out  to  me  where  i  advice  people  not  to  follow  the  example  of  either  jesus  or  selassie,  I  know  that  i  have  not  done  so,  but  yet  you  insist  that  is  what  i  have  been  doing,  well  i  say  that  your  wrong  about  that,  not  only  that  but  everythings  else  that  you  accuse  me  off  as  well.  one  love  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: EmpressCarla on July 31, 2005, 02:01:40 PM
I've said this before but I'll say it again. When I use the term argument, I don't mean conflict. I mean debate, reasoning. Honestly, you have taken my post too personally. Never did I say YOU were ignorant. So please brethren, stick with the topic at hand. Rather than telling me I should ignore you, why not just address my comments regarding why one should follow a Christly example.

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again  please  point  out  to  me  where  i  advice  people  not  to  follow  the  example  of  either  jesus  or  selassie

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IT  suppriseing  how  many  people  claim  for  instant  that  they  know  jusus  or  selassie,  yet  they  have  no  idea  who  they  are  themselves ,   INstead  of  wasteing  time  trying  to  know  someone  that  you  dont  know  anyway,  the  time  will  be  better  spent  trying  to  know  your  own  self.

I am sure I could find many more like these, but I would rather not waste that time. My point is that your posts seem to continually focus on the man. Why? Do you feel that ones are following the man and not the Spirit? Perhaps I am mistaken, so clear it up for me. If you feel there is nothing wrong with following the Christly example, and that is what ones are in fact doing, then what are we talking about here? It has been said that Rasta do not worship man. I have not seen where anyone has refuted that fact. So, if Rasta is worshipping in Spirit and in Truth, why do you keep reasoning a point that everyone can agree on? Yet your reasoning seem to focus on saying Selassie is not god. Jesus is not god. It has been said that "god" is a title representative of the spirit. Not the man. So, where is the contention? Looking at it from that perspective, why can Selassie I not in fact be God to someone? If Selassie is the reflection of the Christly example, why should he not be hailed for showing us the way?

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: ital on July 31, 2005, 06:31:53 PM
greetings  empress  where  about  in  the  example  that  you  site  in  your  above  post,  AM  i  adviceing  anyone  not  to  follow  the  example  of  jesus  or  selassie,  I    said  that  instead  of  wasting  time  trying  to  know  someone  that  you  dont  know  anyway,  the  time  will  be  better  spent  trying  to  know  your  ownself,  I   did  not  tell  anyone   that  they  cannot  follow  the  example  of  jesus  or  selassie,  if  some  have  their  faith  in  other  men,  while  others  have  faith  in  their  own  being  then  they  are  bound  to  see  things  differently,  once  again  iam  not  trying  to  convince  anyone  that  iam  right,  all  iam  doing  is  reasoning  about  what  i  know  myself,  I  do  not  believe  that  jusus  or  selassie  is  god  or  god  special  sons  over  anyother  human  beings,  men  who  follow  the  ways  of  god  yes,  but  god  no,  by  liveing  good  ourself  we  automatically  follow  their  example  anyway  even  thou  we  dont  know  them  personally,  I  have  faith  in  the  god  within  my  own  being  that  is  the  reason  why  i  have  my  own  opinions,  my  intention  is  not  to  offend  anyone  with  the  truth  that  i  know,  but  while  some  know  jusus  and  selassie  and  their  holy  books,  I  know  that  one  that  is  within  you  and  me,  i  do  not  know  a  lot  of  history,  but  i  know  the  one  that  dwell  within  all,  the  only  way  that  i  can  be  wrong  is  if  there  is  no  such  one  that  dwell  within  all,  but  if  such  a  one  exist  then  iam  right,  but  to  me  there  is  no  if,  because  i  know  that  one,  I  am  not  saying  that  one  should  not  follow  the  example  of  good  men,  or  that  there  is  no  thuth  in  the  bible,  but  iam  saying  to  you  that  if  anyman  knows  the  one,  then  that  one  can  follow  the  one  directly,  why  read  about  the  one  if  you  know  the  one,  again  all  iam  doing  is  reasoning  about  what  i  know,  if  anyone  dont  like  what  i  know  that  is  not  a  problem  like  i  said  before  anything  that  i  know  i  can  deffend  i  cannot  run  out  of  reasoning,  because  iam  intuch  with  the  source  of  reasoning  that  is  within.  one  love  to  all  jah  jah  childrens  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: EmpressCarla on August 01, 2005, 02:47:15 AM
Is this something you see a lot of, ital? People having their faith in "other men"? For I know of no one here on this forum who fits such a description. Granted, I don't know the mind of anyone but my own. But I haven't read anyone's words to that effect since I began coming to this forum.

Moreover, if you see nothing wrong with following a Christly example, is your issue simply with the use of the term "God"? I guess I just don't overstand your position. I know that you keep saying Selassie is no better than the next man. And you say you never met HIM, so you don't know HIM. Yet you use the name that is ONLY and SOLELY associated with that "man". Ummm, I guess that's what doesn't make sense to me. If HIM is no better than the next man, why do you declare his name as though it is so worthwhile and significant to you? To be calling out some strange man's name???

Yes, I know the name is owned by Jah. That isn't the point. For the name Rastafari points to Haile Selassie I, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah, et. al. If Selassie I is just a man, not a special son of God, then why are you calling out HIM's name? Is that not a contradiction to you?

It seems to me that you want to separate Rastafari from Selassie I. Is that accurate? If so, why?

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: ital on August 01, 2005, 04:26:47 AM
greetings  empress,  IT  look  from  your  post  as  if  your  insisting  that  if  iam  useing  the  name  RASTAFARI  then  iam  calling  out  the  name  of  the  emperor  of  ethopia,  but  iam  doing  noting  like  that,  selassie  is  not  the  only  man  call  selassie,  what  make  you  or  anyone  think  that  in  the  whole  of  creation,  only  the  emperor  can  be  call  RASTAFARI,  who  made  that  rule  up,  it  aviously  does  not  apply  to  me  because  i  use  the  name  RASTAFARI  as  a  refference  to  the  one  that  dwell  within  all,  so  for  you  the  name  RASTAFARI  points  to  selassie  I,  while  for  me  it  is  one  of  the  name  of  the  one  that  is  within,  and  yes  empress  i  do  separate  rastafari  from  selassie,  selassie  was  a  man,  RASTAFARI  is  a  spirit,  the  spirit  of  RASTAFARI  dwell  in  selassie,  but  it  also  dwell  in  all  human  beings,  RASTAFARI  is  not  some  thing  that  belong  to  selassie,  RASTAFARI  is  for  all,  when  reasoning  about  the  source  that  is  within  various  names  are  used,  god,  allah,  IAM,  jah,  christ  within,  the  light, conscience,  and  in  this  time  RASTAFARI,  it  really  does  not  matter  to  me  what  name  i  use,  if  this  was  not  a  rasta  site  i  would  not  use  the  name  RASTAFARI,  IF  it  was  muslim  i  would  use  the  name  allah,  if  iam  reasoning  with  a  christian  i  will  not  insist  that  he  must  call  the  creator  RASTAFARI,  again  empress  yes  it  is  some  thing  i  see  a  lot  men  puting  their  faith  in  other  men,  the  men  who  blow  themselves  and  others  up  in  london  and  IRAQ  have  faith  in  what  other  men  tell  them,  take  this  tread  for  example  what  is  it  about,  how  come  you  cannot  see  all  the  people  on  this  forum  who  either  hold  the  belief  that  selassie  is  god,  or  someone  devine,  well  i  can  see  lots  of  people  on  this  forum  who  reason  along  them  lines,  those  are  the  ones  that  iam  refereing  to  as  following  other  men,  again  i  say  what  i  say  not  because  iam  hear  to  fight  against  anyone  or  to  win  any  reasoning,  I  say  what  i  sat  simply  because  that  is  what  i  know.  one  love  to  all  who  live  on  earth  RASTAFARI,  LION  PAW.
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: paco on August 01, 2005, 04:59:27 AM
ital, thanks for your xplantion on rastafari. is rastafari tha same as 'the christ' to you? the source, divine mind, life force the same as rastafari? is rastafari same thing as or part of conscience? one more question, if you don't mind brother, was the title Rastafari given to Haile Selassie? ifso why?


                             thank you, paco
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: Raszeb on August 01, 2005, 04:33:16 PM
H.I.M. words

The salvation of our country Ethiopia, we have repeatedly stated to you, lies primarily in education. As Ethiopia is one, all Ethiopians are also one and education is the only way to maintain the condition.

We believe that from truth alone is born liberty and only an educated people can consider itself as really free and master of its fate. It is only with an educated people that representative and democratic organs of government can exercise their influence for national progress.

"...There is nothing more worthwhile and rewarding in life than to work for the benefit of others. One can derive more pleasure from giving than from receiving. We believe that each and every one of you who in leaving this institution(Asmara University) for his or her respective calling has come to realize that education is seldom prized merely on account of its usefulness to individuals. Nor is it intended to be a mere ornament and a mark of distinction and prominence to the persons who are fortunate to receive it. Those who have had the opportunity to learn should always be at the disposal of those who have not had its benefit. Therefore, it is not only the individual but the community at large which should benefit from the virtues of education. The words of the Holy Bible, "Give and it shall be given unto you," are worth observing in your daily lives. This momentous event should be a time in which you should reflect and pose to yourselves the questions, "what kind of service are we going to render to our country and what do we intend to accomplish in life?" It is our firm belief that if you forego self-love and self-indulgence and break away from worldly desires and you will be able to make great contributions to your family, community and country..."
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: joeyb on August 01, 2005, 10:15:09 PM
Blessings Idren. Sorry no post for a while (been reading.)

Ital: no personal attack, but do you ever consult the Holy Books?
Because I am still struggling to conceive how Man can solely lead himself. I praise God for leaders like Enoch, Noah, Moses, Isaiah, and of course Selassie I - and to be honest: I actually do wish to "know" them as much as possible. Wise Solomon was always saying that it is right and proper to follow examples, be taught and accept criticism and I myself am proud to be an Acolyte of wiser Idren!

But concerning Selassie I, I see HIM as much nearer Enoch than Jeshua. AnyOne see where I'm coming from here? For Enoch was as great as they get, and even described as Anointed One (i.e. Messiah.) But he wasn't the Messiah that Revelation prophesised, although my knowledge of the Scriptures is not what I desire.

OneLove
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on August 01, 2005, 11:45:08 PM
The High command of Israel is Adonai Echad(One)
I and I no mash up on dis Meshiach or that cause Haile The First.
For him who no belive is condemned already. Big Up Anyhow Joey, Your Welcome to learn with I and I.
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: ital on August 02, 2005, 04:29:38 AM
greetings  bredrin  paco,  yes  RASTAFARI  to  me  is  the  same  as  the  SPIRIT,  THE  IAM,  CONSCIENCE,  ALLAH,  THE  LIGHT,  CHRIST  WITHIN, GOD,  JAH,  THE  SOURCE,  all  these  names  can  be  use  in  refference  to  the  one  that  dwell  within  all,  as  for  your  last  question  i  do  not  know  who  give  the  name  RASTAFARI  TO  SELASSIE,  so  i  cannot  give  you  an  answer,  bredrin  joey,   IAM  a  man  who  solely  lead  myself,  you  say  that  your  struggling  to  concieve  how  man  could  solely  lead  himself,  hear  is  one  simple  answer,  he  could  learn  how  to  listen  and  obey  his  conscience,  yes  i  know  about  the  bible  i  have  one  myself,  and  there  is  truth  in  the  bible  but  this  truth  can  only  be  seen  by  those  who  read  their  bible  with  a  clear  conscience,  conscience  is  like  a  light,  even  thou  i  have  a  bible  and  i  know  that  there  is  wisdom  within  the  bible,  my  faith  is  not  in  my  bible  but  in  conscience,  a  next  man  might  think  that  iam  just  following  my  own  mind,  but  if  he  could  see  within  he  would  understand  that  there  is  a  leader  within,   I  do  not   follow   holy  books,  or  saints,  and  prophets,  where  ever  the  truth  is  spoken  i  respect  that, but  a  man  should  only  have  one  master  mine  is  conscience,  one  love  to  all  who  live  on  mother  earth  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: ital on August 02, 2005, 02:15:17 PM
greetings,  I  was  ask  by  empress  carla  if  men  haveing  faith  in  other  men,  is  something  i  see  a  lot,  because  there  is  no  one  that  fit  that  descripton  on  this  forum,  but  the  mojority  on  this  forum  does  fit  that  discription,  their  faith  is  in  selassie,    then  there  are  those  who  believe  in  jesus,  or  budda  or  some  other  man,  IN  fact  the  mojority  do  not  know  themselves  because  they  are  too  busy  learning  about  men  like  jusus  and  selassie,  most  rasta  will  tell  you  that  selasssie  I,  IS  GOD.  even  bob  marley  i  hear  saying  so,  a  man  should  not  think  that  a  next  man  is  god  and  if  he  is  doing  so,  believe  me  something  is  wrong  with  his  thinking,  I  do  not  understand  how  i  can  see  others  that  are  following  selassie  on  this  forum,   yet  empress  carla  cant  see  anyone  doing  so,  but  i  have  read  lots  of  post  about  selassie  either  been  god  or  someone  devine,  this  tread  that  we  or  on  now,  was  probely  started  to  prove  that  selassie  is  more  than  just  a  man,  why  i  do  not  know, WAS  he  not  born  like  other  men,  eat  like  other  men,  sleep  like  other  men,  have  sex  like  other  men,  and  die  like  other  men,  what  do  those  who  believe  in  selassie  think,  did  jah  give  him  something  that  he  did  not  give  to  the  rest  of  us,  it  is  because  men  like  to  follow  other  men,  why  anyone  would  think  that  a  next  man  is  god  or  god  son,  if  someone  is  a  royalist  that  is  their  choice,  but  iam  not  a  man  who  look  up  to  kings  and  queens,  their  royal  lineage  is  of  no  importance  to  me,  IAM  seeking  truth  not  royalty.  one  love  to  all  jah  jah  childrens  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: EmpressCarla on August 02, 2005, 02:27:54 PM
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 I  do  not  understand  how  i  can  see  others  that  are  following  selassie  on  this  forum,  yet  empress  carla  cant  see  anyone  doing  so.

It appears the reason would be that I recognize divinity, while you may not. I look at the Spirit, while you seem to be looking at flesh. For a man who says he follows Conscience, how is that?

It is true that no man is better than the next, yet we all have intended purposes here on this phyiscal plain. We are all One Spirit! We always talk about how limitless Jah is, yet the idea that Jah could become flesh is beyond some of us.  [smiley=huh.gif]

THAT IS EGO!

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: ital on August 02, 2005, 03:14:12 PM
greetings  empress  carla,  yes  jah  is  limitless, the  idea  that  jah  is  in  man  is  not  beyond  me  at  all, but  the  idea  that  jah  can  be  one  man  is  beyond  me,  can  you  reason  about  the  divinity  that  you  recognize  that  i  have  not,  by  the  way  empress  you  did  not  answer  my  question  from  before,  cant  you  see  lots  of  people  on  this  forum  and  in  life  who  put  their  faith  in  the  emperor  of  ethopia  instead  of  their  ownself,  or  in  jesus,  or  budda.  you  say  you  are  looking  at  the  spirit  while  iam  looking  at  the  flesh,  but  the  same  spirit  that  is  in  selassie  or  jusus  is  also  inside  your  ownself,  so  why  not  just  deal  with  what  is  inside  of  you,  listen  sister  i  love  selassie  and  jesus  just  like  how  i  love  the  rest  of  humanity,  but  they  are  not  my  god,  why  would  i  worship  my  brother,  because  that  is  what  they  are  to  me  noting  else,  you  say  you  look  at  the  spirit  while  i  look  at  the  flesh,  but  if  anything  your  trying  to  deffend  flesh,  while  iam  deffending  spirit,  conscience  is  not  flesh  but  selassie  I  is,  and  for  anyone  else  that  might  read  this  i  have  noying  against  selassie  or  jesus  like  i  said  before  they  are  my  brothers,  to  you  they  might  be  special  people  even  gods,  but  to  me  they  are  only  my  brothers, I worship  god  in  spirit  and  truth,  not  in  flesh.  one  love RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: joeyb on August 02, 2005, 10:33:30 PM
"a  man  should  not  think  that  a  next  man  is  god  and  if  he  is  doing  so,  believe  me  something  is  wrong"

I understand that you believe that Conscience is the ultimate authority, but what if my Conscience tells me that God has manifested Himself in Man before: perhaps in Melchizedek, Jesus: perhaps Selassie I? I would argue that noOne follows what their heart tells them not to (without outside pressure), so if you value the intergrity of these users (on RasNick's), then will you yield to the fact that we are in fact following our hearts (or out "Conscience") Brother, I hear many Idren speak (or type) with conviction about their belief and how it can be compared to a burning fire in the heart: a driving passion: a voice in the back of One's head. And if following this voice isn't following One's Innerman, then I don't really know what is. Thus, noOne (I mean that quite literally) "follows the Emperor of Ethiopia instead of their ownself": because in following Selassie I, or Jeshua (or whomever) they are in fact following what their Conscience tells them to.

Raspect Empress Carla and ital for your words.

OneLove
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: ital on August 03, 2005, 04:24:47 AM
Greetings  bredrin  joey,  I  notice  you  say  what  if,  my  conscience  tells  me  that  god  has  manifested  in  man  before,  IF  to  me  means  that  your  conscience  has  not  tell  you  so,  conscience  is  concern  with  how  one  behave,  not  with  the  name  of  individuals,  IT  leads  one  to  the  truth  it  self,  why  would  conscience  tell  me  to  follow  the  ways  of  a  next  man,  when  the  ways  of  conscience  is  greater  than  anyman,  I    do  not  know  if  every  human  is  aware  of  this,  but  i  know  that  the  spirit  of  jah  is  within  my  own  being,  this  spirit  is  not  a  man,  nither  is  it  a  book,  so  my  faith  is  nither  in  a  book,  or  in  anyman,  but  in  the  one  that  dwell  within  all.  listen  brother  if  a  man  is  following  his  conscience,  his  conscience  will  tell  him  what  to  say,  conscience  dont  have  to  repeat  what  anyone  else  say  it  allredy  know  truth,  it  does  not  have  to  read  about  it  or  search  for  it,  anyway  knowing  truth  has  noting  to  do  with  reading,  but  all  to  do  with  liveing  good  with  your  fellow  human  beings,  some  might  think  that  the  bible  is  greater  than  what  is  inside  of  their  own  being,  but  i  know  that  what  is  within  me  is  greater  than  any  book  or  man.  one  love  to  all  who  dwell  on  planet  earth  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: paco on August 03, 2005, 04:44:27 AM
greetings ital, according to your definition of rastafari, i may say that i'm rastafari, yet i do not follow tha teachings of HIM. maybe i'm misunderstaning you?

christians follow the teachings of jesus (supposedly)

buddhists the teachings of the buddha

rastafarians the teachings of who?

like you say truth and spirit, why not leave it at that?



to me conscience is the conditioning and programming of tha mind by society.

bro. ital i agree with much of what you say and express.


                               all is jah, paco [smiley=smiley.gif]
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: ital on August 05, 2005, 12:05:57 PM
BREDRIN  paco,  RASTAFARI,  to  me  is  love,  so  from  your  dealing  with  love  it  does  not  matter  to  me  as  a  rasta,  If  you  want  to  identify  your  self  as  a  christian,  buddist,  hindu,  that  is  not  a  problem,  I  know  jah  is  to  be  found  everywhere  in  his  creation,  If  one  is  really  searching  for  the  truth,  then  one  will  realise  that  truth  is  to  be  found  everywhere,   it  is  not  only  men  who  call  themselves  rastas,  that  know  the  truth,  but  the  truth,  reveal  itself  to  all  those  who  are  strieveing  to  live  good  with  their  fellow  human  beings,  rasta  or  not.  one  love  to  all  who  live  on  planet  earth.  RASTAFARI .
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: joeyb on August 05, 2005, 11:51:02 PM
"I  notice  you  say  what  if,  my  conscience  tells  me  that  god  has  manifested  in  man  before,  IF  to  me  means  that  your  conscience  has  not  tell  you  so"

Excuse my wording bredren: let me clear up any confusion here. My wording ("if") was simply intended to show you a hypothetical example that could be applied to anyOne. But in answer to the above statement: that voice which I hear - my conscience: does shout at me about the Messiah, about the Bible: all these things we are disputing. How do you answer this? Do you presume I am not listening properly to my conscience?

OneLove
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: paco on August 06, 2005, 12:34:39 AM
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BREDRIN  paco,  RASTAFARI,  to  me  is  love,  so  from  your  dealing  with  love  it  does  not  matter  to  me  as  a  rasta,  If  you  want  to  identify  your  self  as  a  christian,  buddist,  hindu,  that  is  not  a  problem,  I  know  jah  is  to  be  found  everywhere  in  his  creation,  If  one  is  really  searching  for  the  truth,  then  one  will  realise  that  truth  is  to  be  found  everywhere,   it  is  not  only  men  who  call  themselves  rastas,  that  know  the  truth,  but  the  truth,  reveal  itself  to  all  those  who  are  strieveing  to  live  good  with  their  fellow  human  beings,  rasta  or  not.  one  love  to  all  who  live  on  planet  earth.  RASTAFARI .
























































































True, true

greetings bredrin ital, i like it when these things happen to i, tha light bulb juss came on regarding conscience and wha i think you saying/reasoning!! [smiley=smiley.gif]
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: ital on August 06, 2005, 12:00:37 PM
bredrin  joey,  conscience  is  not  the  only  voice  coming  from  within,  there  is  a  voice  that  will  advice  one  to  do  the  wrong  thing,  we  will  know  the  difference  when  we  learn  to  live  with  a  good  intention  towards  our  fellow  human  beings,  one  love  RASTAFARI.
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: RasTrev on June 05, 2008, 04:37:27 PM
Greetings everyone In Jah Rastafari.  Plain and simple, Selassie make it clear he was not Jah.  He encouraged his people to look to the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, and to Look at Yesus as the Messiah.  Did christ ever deny who he was ? no, he didnt.  If Yesus had returned as Selassie, he would made it known, and wouldnt have denied being Jah.  Ya dig? Selassie was simply a great man who did great things for his people, who was a devoted christian himself.  End of story my bredren/sistern.  Use your heart, and plain rationality and you will see da truth.  JAH Bless. . .
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: truthja on June 29, 2008, 01:01:40 AM
Brothers and sisters many all of us are in need of the many proverbs from all of God's people from all around the world.  Proverbs that in-arguably are wisdom from our heavenly father. . .  but let us not blaspheme the holy spirit and deny Jesus as the one way to the father.  All his life and miracles and the burial shroud of Turin with pollens exclusively from Palestine divinely imprinted in the cloth along with his earthly body's image.  It could never be painted but is of the Resurrection miracle of almighty Jah.  Our beloved spiritual music must not be a form of false prophecy and false testimony to deceive our minds and destroy the doctrine and purpose of our faith.  Let it not be allowed for the rasta's message of God be akin to the likes of the false prophet clerics in the Muslim world keeping us from the ten commandments found under the temple in Jerusalem and from the true sight if Mt.  Sinai in western Saudi Arabia that contain the actual graves of Jethro and his wife who were moses's father and mother in law.  This is an example of the Muslim clerics attempt to deceive their masses of followers and destroy all validity to the judeo-christian Scriptures testimonies.  God forbid this grievous blashempe before any more poor souls are deceived.
Posted on: June 29, 2008, 01:07:05 am
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Brothers and sisters many all of us are in need of the many proverbs from all of God's people from all around the world.   Proverbs that in-arguably are wisdom from our heavenly father.  .  .   but let us not blaspheme the holy spirit and deny Jesus as the one way to the father.   All his life and miracles and the burial shroud of Turin with pollens exclusively from Palestine divinely imprinted in the cloth along with his earthly body's image.   It could never be painted but is of the Resurrection miracle of almighty Jah.   Our beloved spiritual music must not be a form of false prophecy and false testimony to deceive our minds and destroy the doctrine and purpose of our faith.   Let it not be allowed for the rasta's message of God be akin to the likes of the false prophet clerics in the Muslim world keeping us from the ten commandments found under the temple in Jerusalem and from the true sight if Mt.   Sinai in western Saudi Arabia that contain the actual graves of Jethro and his wife who were moses's father and mother in law.   This is an example of the Muslim clerics attempt to deceive their masses of followers and destroy all validity to the judeo-christian Scriptures testimonies.   God forbid this grievous blasphemy before any more poor souls are deceived. 
Title: Re: Selassie Claiming He Is Plain Man - Your Take?
Post by: Oskar on June 29, 2008, 10:15:32 AM
This is not really the topic for inciting against muslims.