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Title: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Mike on August 10, 2005, 05:19:53 PM
What are your views on the Sodomites?I believe they are gonna destroy the youth by making Gay marriage equal to traditional marriage.They care not for the youth but for their pervertedness.Thoughts?
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: M-Dub on August 10, 2005, 05:37:54 PM
Greetings and peace.

There is not one Rasta view on gays, rather there are many. There are different views on how to approach or not approach them and many are unsure of their stance. I myself am one of them. I am all for freedom and liberty, at the same time, I am conscious of what is natural and what is not. From a lot of my most recent study I have come closer to the conclusion that homosexuality is indeed a choice. This is a tough one.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: ital on August 10, 2005, 06:21:25 PM
Geetings  If  it  is  a  choice,  then  one  is  free  to  chose  whatever  one  want  to   choose,  weather  the  choice  is  right  or  wrong,  Is  a  different  matter,  personally  i  do  not  agree  with  those  who  make  that  choice,  but  i  will  deffend  their  right  to  make  that  choice.  one  love  RASTAFARI...
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: M-Dub on August 10, 2005, 06:27:37 PM
Great post ital.

One.

Jah bless
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: EmpressCarla on August 10, 2005, 06:38:09 PM
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personally  i  do  not  agree  with  those  who  make  that  choice,  but  i  will  deffend  their  right  to  make  that  choice.  one  love  RASTAFARI...

Hetepu

I don't overstand, ital. Can you elaborate? You will defend someone's right to be wrong? You would stand up and defend untruth? Why not try to help them see the light? I'm not saying ones should bash gays. Yet I have come to see how if wickedness is left to flourish, it affects us all directly and indirectly.

Although I have had gay friends in the past, I support them but I am not in support of their lifestyle. I believe homosexuality to be immoral and unnatural, for there is no creation in it. And as a wise bredren once told me, "if it's not creation, it's all masturbation."

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: TREE-NATTY on August 10, 2005, 08:11:23 PM
E.M.HTP

Empress Carla that was awesome!

Gays and what a rasta think about them? when most speak about gays its mainly about gay men. But as far as women are concern I have a different outlook that is universally sound! Take that a man is a minus and a woman a plus, since she gives birth and life. Two minus makes a greater minus! But two pluses makes creation. This is why men in African legacy had more than one wife. We Africans were the first to practice this! Some time we would have 2 women at once! So for me to say gay women are wrong that's not what the universe say! But for two men to be together is gross. I mean something has to be clearly wrong with you if you love to smell another man backside! But flip the scene and some women love their body and how it can be stimulated that who else could do it better than another woman. We man know this about ourselves as well but know a woman is better stimulation to us because she created us! So yeah women rules, only she has the natural true ability to make that choice. Not a man
I feel the only reason gay relationship exist because the family of a people has been terribly disrupted! Thru western living and commerce! This type of behavior was not known to African or any people from the east. So I blame the social order of the west for its outbreak now. Before it was just about power, and so many rich and powerful men feel that a woman in their bed wasn't good enough. And since they had the ways and means why not try something new!

HRU
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Positive_Vibration on August 10, 2005, 09:21:12 PM
Good reasoning from one and all.

As far as the Rasta view on gays - to my knowledge - one and all see and feel it is sexual corruption, however I've seen various positions on how to act pon this. Some will stand back, let the wicked do their bussiness, (as far as that particularly goes,) and say "one love," and some more geared toward the Bobo perspective blaze fiyah pon the banty boy. It is the very Euro-centric countries that SPREAD this sexual corruption that close their door to the Rastaman for this however. Buju Banton and Sizzla have just recently been allowed back to the USA.

So then it is iniverally felt in Rastafari that it is sexual corruption, but there are varying methods on dealing with it - to answer your question.

Now as far as two women getting together - I must say that the "if it's not creation, it's all masturbation," quote stands still - however I overstand your perspective, Tree. The problem more though, is in women that close themselves off from men and go off and have gay marraiges themselves! There is no creation there either - and I see a just about equal amount of backward thinking.

Thanks be given for all perspectives and to the most high.

One love
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: M-Dub on August 10, 2005, 09:42:22 PM
Great points Positive.

I have to say I agree with Carla's post as well. One cannot promote one type of homosexuality and speak harshly of another. This is discrimination. I see Tree's point, but no matter how you try to justify it, it is unnatural.

I believe ital's point (correct me if I am wrong) was that he supports choice. Jah has given all freedom, so for us as huemans to try to limit that freedom of choice is to work against Jah. Now, I am not saying that we should sit back and do nothing, I am saying people should have the choice to do as they wish. Then those who wish to help them can choose to help or to not help.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: msgal on August 10, 2005, 09:59:16 PM


Fiyahbun said that there are really 2 choices
the choice for right or the choice for wrong
(my paraphrase)
I think this about sums it up.
We all have to choose right from wrong.
But that doesn't mean that the rest of us have to support or encourage a wrong desision.
I look at it as I love the person, but that doesn't mean I agree with the choices made.

I don't think it's ok for women and not for men. As was already stated unnatural is unnatural in all it's forms. There is no justification for gay or lesbian sex.

Jah bless

One love
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: EmpressCarla on August 10, 2005, 10:15:00 PM
Hetepu

I have to say, I have always been perplexed by the notion that a woman can please another woman better than a man. I can only speak for myself but it is the very fact that a man is so unlike me that draws me to him. In a man, I desire strength and virility and also the ability to enter my mind and capture it. A woman cannot do that to me. She is too much like me. In general, women are soft. It is the hardness that attracts me to the man (and I don't mean that literally).

While a woman can relate in that she knows what touch feels nice, it does not necessarily follow that she can perform, and she can NEVER capture my mind. I have no desire to surrender to a woman. Surrender and receive what???

You wanna know what I really think? EEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!

Just my opinion, though.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: ital on August 11, 2005, 12:09:38 PM
Greetings  Empress,  Like  M  Dub,  Rightly  explain  my  support  is  for  the  freedom  to  choose,  I  did  not  say  that  i  support  every  thing  that  people  choose.  one  love  rastafari...
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: chesarion on August 11, 2005, 06:34:21 PM
It is not our right to judge anybody, so as far as i see, there's nothing wrong or right in being gay. But the Bible teaches us that homosexuality is a sin, so in my point of view, as a Orthodox, i must warn that homosexuality is wrong, not because i say so, Because Almighty God say so......Because i Love each am every human, i cannot sit and watch them go the wrong way, but I cannot do anything more than Warn a man he's wrong....So, I just warn, i don't blame....I respect everyone's chioce, because Judgement Day will come and everyone will realize where he went wrong!
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: newrasta on August 11, 2005, 08:34:13 PM
Greetings!

Let I first say, being gay is unnatural. But no one should condemn anyone for breaking Jah's law, that's for Jah and Jah alone to do. Personally, I think being gay is unnatural and gross. But I don't overstand why people get so worked up when a gay wants to get married. Who cares?! If they want to get married, let them. It is not for us to say who can get married and who can't.

Aren't there more important things to be fighting? Things that actually harm others? The only thing that two gay men could do is make someone say, "eww." I think if someone is gay then they were always that way, when they were born something happened in their brain chemistry to make them attracted to the same sex. I'm not saying that others could choose to be gay, I believe that as well, but I think the majority of gays are born that way. I don't like gayness, but of course, I do not condemn it, as no one else should. Let the judgement be with the Fiyah!

Jah Bless.

Ras Evan
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: M-Dub on August 11, 2005, 08:57:41 PM
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I think if someone is gay then they were always that way, when they were born something happened in their brain chemistry to make them attracted to the same sex. I'm not saying that others could choose to be gay, I believe that as well, but I think the majority of gays are born that way. I don't like gayness, but of course, I do not condemn it, as no one else should. Let the judgement be with the Fiyah!


I disagree with this statement. How can being gay be unnatural but someone was created that way. Woudln't that make it natural? I believe that some people create a reality that is false and choose to be gay, perhaps without even realizing it. Some say "Well I didn't choose to be gay, if I could choose I wouldn't be". The fact is, commiting gay acts is in fact making the choice to be gay. One can choose abstinence if they are truly not attracted to the opposite sex.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: newrasta on August 11, 2005, 09:15:14 PM
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I disagree with this statement. How can being gay be unnatural but someone was created that way. Woudln't that make it natural? I believe that some people create a reality that is false and choose to be gay, perhaps without even realizing it. Some say "Well I didn't choose to be gay, if I could choose I wouldn't be". The fact is, commiting gay acts is in fact making the choice to be gay. One can choose abstinence if they are truly not attracted to the opposite sex.

One

Jah bless


Seen! Let I try to clear it up...

I think being gay is unnatural, but when something happens to one's brain during birth that makes them attracted to the same sex that makes it THEIR natural thinking. But at the same time their natural process is unnatural to Jah.

Haha, I'm kind of confusing Iself on this one, I'll probably have to think a bit more about this before I post again.  [smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Positive_Vibration on August 12, 2005, 12:41:54 AM
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I think being gay is unnatural, but when something happens to one's brain during birth that makes them attracted to the same sex that makes it THEIR natural thinking. But at the same time their natural process is unnatural to Jah.


Point seen Ras, but I don't feel that this justifies the given gay person. As M-Dub said - research outside of the media has shown that it is infact something they choose which again means they are living under a lustful illusion!

Let me also add the question if you ever truly met and enlightened being thats one with Jah and is homosexual?

Points to medi on

One love
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: newrasta on August 12, 2005, 12:49:06 AM
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Point seen Ras, but I don't feel that this justifies the given gay person. As M-Dub said - research outside of the media has shown that it is infact something they choose which again means they are living under a lustful illusion!

Let me also add the question if you ever truly met and enlightened being thats one with Jah and is homosexual?

Points to medi on

One love


I actually haven't, but then again, I haven't met many gays at all. And I have thought about it more and agree that homosexuality is unnatural, and therefore it isn't right. But I still feel that no one should look badly pon gays beacause that's how they chose to be and only the Fiyah can judge them.

Jah Bless.

Ras Evan
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Positive_Vibration on August 12, 2005, 01:36:17 AM
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I actually haven't, but then again, I haven't met many gays at all. And I have thought about it more and agree that homosexuality is unnatural, and therefore it isn't right. But I still feel that no one should look badly pon gays beacause that's how they chose to be and only the Fiyah can judge them.


Rasta fight against Babylon (rooted from the aftermath of slavery and lingering of white supremecy which is present onto this day,) which means fighting against corruption. I am not at all suggesting the killing of gays - I am not at all suggesting a violent protest against them or anything relative - as the term 'equal rights and justice' cyaan be altered, seen? But I must say that I am not against those who wish to blaze the fiyahh aka purification pon the banty boy. They are mis-guided idrens in that specific area.

I see that that your point is mainly equal respect however and I and I must agree. Good reasoning and thinking

One love
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: newrasta on August 12, 2005, 02:35:09 AM
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Rasta fight against Babylon (rooted from the aftermath of slavery and lingering of white supremecy which is present onto this day,) which means fighting against corruption. I am not at all suggesting the killing of gays - I am not at all suggesting a violent protest against them or anything relative - as the term 'equal rights and justice' cyaan be altered, seen? But I must say that I am not against those who wish to blaze the fiyahh aka purification pon the banty boy. They are mis-guided idrens in that specific area.

I see that that your point is mainly equal respect however and I and I must agree. Good reasoning and thinking

One love


Seen! Good reasoning. But I can't help but feel bad for them, just as how I feel terrible for a racist comment someone made right in front of the others face! I wouldn't like it if I was gay and someone came pon I and called I many hateful things because of the way I chose to live.

But I'm not gay, so that doesn't happen to I, although, as I'm sure some of you out there have experienced this, I have heard hateful things being said to I. In fact just the other day, I heard someone say behind I back, "Look at that stupid white boy, trying to be black..." It sucks! So I can't help but empathize to the batty bwoi, cuz I know they go through some very hard times, as do we all who are different from the majority of society.

Jah Love!

Ras Evan
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Mike on August 12, 2005, 06:02:17 AM
How can anyone approve of it,Im not saying go hate dem!Im saying go save dem!Bring them the way,the truth,the life.Our Lord and Saviour.

And Tree to me you are just perverted and a womanizer.You would still like it to 5 wives or more probably.Free yourself from Global thinking brother,for those who are corrupt nowadays are doing these types of acts.Keep speaking against corruptness but dont adopt one of their acts good bredrin.Women are to be respected.

I dont care what anyone says about judging but that is an unjust comment by Tree IMO and looks down at the beautiful things that are women.I and I do have so much respect for women,and dont think they should serve as servants unto us,and us being like kings where we get to choose which wife we will sex this evening.ADULTERY!The path to God is not by man alone,it is with a women.Men are unique in what gifts God has brought to them,and likewise for all of the women.

I will never even so think of having 5 wives,like Islam promotes, what blasphemy.

May God Bless You All
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: toshIte on August 12, 2005, 09:00:58 PM
GET UR MINDS RIGHT.
How can u defend someones right to be gay.
next  will be paedophiles and then animal f**kers.
WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE.
If sodom and gomorah could be wiped out of existence for this crime, it about sums it up.
gays negate the Almightys´  purpose of creation.
Man - wombman
Yin - yang
Lots of confused and unsure `rastas´ in here. it seems
NATURALITY
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Mike on August 13, 2005, 03:48:19 PM
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GET UR MINDS RIGHT.
How can u defend someones right to be gay.
next  will be paedophiles and then animal f**kers.
WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE.
If sodom and gomorah could be wiped out of existence for this crime, it about sums it up.
gays negate the Almightys´  purpose of creation.
Man - wombman
Yin - yang
Lots of confused and unsure `rastas´ in here. it seems
NATURALITY

Thats that fire,good post
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: YellingInMyEar on August 13, 2005, 05:22:03 PM
I am confused about gays. Sometimes they infuriate me but i can't help but feel it's thier choice to be gay if they want and that it is not for us to judge them for it. I don't know what to think when it comes to gay people!! I have split oppinions on them...
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Mike on August 14, 2005, 03:31:33 AM
Gays are perverting what is God bounded and that is Marriage.They care not for the future race of the youth,but more to further fulfill their pervetedness.


"Thou shalt not commit adultery"

Adultery includes Sodomy.

For when the gays of Sodom wished Gods opinion on their corrupt lifestyle he took Lot away and answered them with flames.

This is also a sign of the times.One of the signs of Judgement being near is that the era of Lot to be present once more.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Oskar on August 14, 2005, 06:46:04 AM
Greetings,

Condemning someone, doens't help much in getting the point across, does it? If you have the clarity, maybe you can put the words so straight that they burst through that illusion, because as you know, light is more powerful than darkness, so the light ought to be able to reach, nah true?

If it nah reach, then you must still accept them, because you couldn't know.

The mind works with leaps of association, if the leap don't connect fully, you can not know, you might think you know, seeing that it might be a pretty good approximation, but still you can't be totally sure. To really know, you have to connect fully.

So, if you condemn them, without fully knowing, you are prejudice, and we all know what the LORD think of that.

If you can't reach, you have to be more clear.

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Oskar on August 14, 2005, 06:48:17 AM
Realize I didn't say what I think of homosexuality. I think it is wrong, it is not for me. Using sex for pleasure is dangerous business. Just look at all the diseases.

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Oskar on August 14, 2005, 06:49:35 AM
And that advice is for ALL, not just gays.

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: alex on August 15, 2005, 06:27:11 AM
mike first of all its 4 wifes and ONLY in special circumstances
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Ash-Tree on August 16, 2005, 08:52:49 PM
m dub you are gay?
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Oskar on August 16, 2005, 09:02:19 PM
I don't understand this question. Are you gay 12TRIBE?
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: M-Dub on August 16, 2005, 11:47:21 PM
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m dub you are gay?


[smiley=laugh.gif]

No. Are you reading words from a different M-Dub?

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Wahine on August 17, 2005, 06:14:15 AM
I doubt anyone on this forum is Gay!!!!
My brother is a fag (As i like to call him) i can deal with that but like i have always told him "don't put it out there in my face or in front of my children"
I can acceot that he has made his decision but i certainly don't agree with it!
In my eyes it is wrong and i think i would be highly p***ed if i saw him cavorting with another guy!
Just my opinion though.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: BLING_BLAOH on August 17, 2005, 03:34:08 PM
Mi karma may guh dung after dis but mi still nuh care. Sodomites fi dead!  [smiley=cool.gif]

Strictly Coochie by BLING BLAOH

(Intro)
Fire...bun...sodomite, lesbian and battyman.

(Chorus)
Mi put a fire pon de gyaal dem weh strictly coochie
Big up to de gyaal dem weh strictly dickly
Mi put a fire pon de man dem weh strictly dickly
Big up to de man dem weh strictly coochie (X2)

(Verse 1)
Cyaan believe weh mi see inna de news today
De American dem waan fi accept de gays
Ah gwaan like dem born over inna Europe
Send dem dung ah Chi-town and dem get bore up
Dem gone ah church and chat bout how dem sanctified
Get caught in the wrong area dem get crucified
Pull out de 45 and guh boom bye bye
Hallow tips bruk dem bones and mek dem skin dry.
To be gay inna dis yah time is a crime
Whateva sweet dem ah guh sour dem like lime
Spray dem insect waste dem like dime
True dem nuh straight dats how dem get bind
Fi beat dem and bun dem I-man seh it fair
We nuh waan nuh lesbian and battybwoy anywhere
Dem shout fi mercy I-man jus don't care.
Mi nuh waan nuh sodomite anywhere

(Chrous)

(Verse 2)
Mi cyaan believe Alicia and Pavielle switch
Ah hug up and kiss up pon anodda gay bitch
De lesbian ah call radip station and ask
How fi get a next gyaal true dem waan get some ass
True dem nuh know seh dem ah guh get blast
Next ting dem end up in a full body cast
Or every worse dem get bun to ash
Pon sodomite I-man naw spend nuh cash
Curve dem nuh straight dem nuh deserve sympathy
See de same sex and watch yah now dem get horny
Cyaan stand sodomite chuh dem always thristy
Mi neva see woman to woman man to man inna anatomy
Crush dem up like marijuana I-man ah bun
Acceptance inna I society dem get none
Like we play PS2 games we done dem fi fun
Dis abomination mek mi rise mi gun.

(Chorus)
(Repeat Verse 1)
(Chorus until fade) [smiley=cool.gif]
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Oskar on August 17, 2005, 03:49:31 PM
Speedy BLING BLAOH, Still you just lash out on merely a symptom of the disease which is babylon. Cause babylon is noting more than a virus of the human mind. Human that in his own vanity create a 'living' entity that spread itself through propagation thus spreading from one generation to the next. Tell me, you holistic healers out there, what is the use in treating the symptom instead of uprooting the cause?

If we need to bun down anything it is the root cause of babylon, and that is not homosexuality, which is just a symptom, seen? I&I all need to be firmly grounded to the EARTH. We are not truth, we just reflect a higher logic. If you already overstood that which you did't know, how can't you overstand this? If you can't give life, don't take life.

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: BLING_BLAOH on August 17, 2005, 04:17:23 PM
 [smiley=huh.gif] [smiley=huh.gif] [smiley=huh.gif] [smiley=huh.gif] [smiley=huh.gif] [smiley=huh.gif] [smiley=huh.gif] [smiley=huh.gif] [smiley=huh.gif] [smiley=huh.gif]WHAT?!
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Oskar on August 17, 2005, 04:28:49 PM
And this is the thing. You get a feeling that this might not be the right thing to do, yet you do it, because you don't care. And then you think you are cool because of your ignorance. Yea, that's really clever. You are blinded by truth my friend. Don't trust the evil one, he will do you no good. Chu man, no one never do nothing, so why would I? Because if no one never do nothing how could anything ever be done?

See, this is just an example of the duality of man, if we in control we can use both negative and positive at the appropriate time. But these two 'forces' of good and evil can ask, as well as answer questions in all eternity. We are none of them, but we can choose to express any of them, this is what is reflection. We need to recognize who it is who is talking, don't get tricked by the nasty one. And this is all about knowing the self, to prevent oneself from doing negative action, which is relative, and will come right back at you. So, the more you attack, the bigger the surprise. How can you beat a mirror? By not fighting, start help each other instead, then both gain, and there will be peace.

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: SmG on August 17, 2005, 04:30:17 PM
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Its okay to be gay! In future, people will be grown i labs, without sex and sex will be left only for plesure, fuck anybody you want! Gay Power!  [smiley=shocked.gif]



Man, I think being gay is wrong and against nature.

Jah Love
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: EmpressCarla on August 17, 2005, 04:35:22 PM
 [smiley=rolleyes.gif]

I see this thread is going to get out of hand.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Oskar on August 17, 2005, 04:40:23 PM
No girl, the thread in good hands, faith in the Almighty, seen?

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: EmpressCarla on August 17, 2005, 04:45:20 PM
No boy, I do have faith in the Almighty. Just not in man.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Oskar on August 17, 2005, 04:46:50 PM
So why you afraid of the thread going out of hand? Nothing can happen here.

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: EmpressCarla on August 17, 2005, 04:48:15 PM
When did I say I was "afraid"?
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Oskar on August 17, 2005, 04:51:04 PM
See, your intention is that the thread is going to get out of hand. And if that is what it is, then so it will be, all I'm saying is that if you have good intention, which is you think the thread will go nice, it will, seen? So stop trying to stir things up, cause it not going to work.

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: EmpressCarla on August 17, 2005, 04:52:21 PM
LOL!!! You are so funny Oskar! You think you're so wise, don't you?

[smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Oskar on August 17, 2005, 04:55:13 PM
Not really, as the wiser you are the more truth will become invisible.

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Oskar on August 17, 2005, 04:57:11 PM
By telling truth, I give away my own power, and it become invisible to me, but instead it gain the whole of the EARTH, seen?
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Oskar on August 17, 2005, 04:57:44 PM
Give your more, to receive your less, ever hear that sister?

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: EmpressCarla on August 17, 2005, 04:58:54 PM
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Not really, as the wiser you are the more truth will become invisible.

Then you must be blind.

LOL! No I'm just teasing you bredren. I have no quarrel with you, so you need have none with me. I was merely making a comment based on some of the replys. And I have seen how these sorts of topics can get out of hand. That's all.

I am sure that most all will agree that Rasta does not support a gay lifestyle. Simple as that. Yet there is still no need for ones to bash gays or discuss shooting gays, etc. That is unnecessary, I feel.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Oskar on August 17, 2005, 05:00:36 PM
True sister, stay up.

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Oskar on August 17, 2005, 05:08:49 PM
And this is what I'm trying to say, If reasoning get out of hand, just deduct it and truth will reveal, it's a mystery, but it work and this is how we should be fighting, by non-fighting, because conflict gain no one. If reasoning get out of hand, you don't know how to reason, and then you have to learn. Learning is life and life is harmony. So lead things to harmony, and you gain LIFE.

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Oskar on August 17, 2005, 05:26:40 PM
Actually this whole thing with sexual sin has been widely misunderstood. The sin is adultery, which is dipping around, so to speak, and homosexuality. We should respect the creation of LIFE, and not treat it like if we where dogs.

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Oskar on August 17, 2005, 05:40:58 PM
Actually, if I'm not off track here, I believe this polarity switching mirror effect is called trolling, or rather this is how we can counter the phenomenon of trolling. Do a google (http://www.google.com) on internet trolling if you not familiar. RASTAFARI is the solution for ALL problems, seen?
Trolls is just people trying to solve the puzzle of the mirror, the answer is to not fight, but teach. Do you have the courage to teach the 'enemy'? Because there is no enemy really, as we are all ONE.

OneLove
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: BLING_BLAOH on August 23, 2005, 02:15:12 PM
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And this is the thing. You get a feeling that this might not be the right thing to do, yet you do it, because you don't care. And then you think you are cool because of your ignorance. Yea, that's really clever. You are blinded by truth my friend. Don't trust the evil one, he will do you no good. Chu man, no one never do nothing, so why would I? Because if no one never do nothing how could anything ever be done?

See, this is just an example of the duality of man, if we in control we can use both negative and positive at the appropriate time. But these two 'forces' of good and evil can ask, as well as answer questions in all eternity. We are none of them, but we can choose to express any of them, this is what is reflection. We need to recognize who it is who is talking, don't get tricked by the nasty one. And this is all about knowing the self, to prevent oneself from doing negative action, which is relative, and will come right back at you. So, the more you attack, the bigger the surprise. How can you beat a mirror? By not fighting, start help each other instead, then both gain, and there will be peace.

OneLove
RASTAFARI


Ohh mon shut up!! I see that the gay power representative was too ashamed to say anyting else.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Oskar on August 23, 2005, 02:44:50 PM
Speedy BLING,

Why should I shut up? And what does the gay power representative being too ashamed having anything to do with me?

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: BLING_BLAOH on August 23, 2005, 03:02:21 PM
I neva seh ringtone have anyting to do wid yu Mr. I Got Jokes. I release my lyrics pon de forum, yu fire gunshot pon me and all kinna crap. Mi tell yu cool out.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: ital on August 24, 2005, 02:04:25 PM
Greetings,  Just  because  one  support  mans  right  to  choose,  Does  not  mean  that  one  support  the  choice  that  man  make,  The  choice  is  different,  From  what  is  chosen,  So  if  one  use  choice  to  choose  what  is  wrong  i  do  not  support  that,  Once  again  Oskar  your  words  are  truely  of  the  highest  wisdom  bredrin,  Only  one  who  know  themselve  could  speak  words  like  those,  Keep  the  truth  flowing,  like  i  said  before  noting  give  me  greater  pleasure  than  to  hear  another  speak  truth,  And  Oskar  is  a  man  of  truth,  Only  someone  who  love  truth  with  all  their  mind  and  soul  could  speak  the  words  that  Oskar   speak,  In  fact  those  words  are  not  OSKAR,  They  are  the  words  of  the  one  that  dwell  within,  The  positive  one,  Let  just  call  that  one  conscience,  So  conscience  is  speaking  to  us  trough  OAKAR.  One  love  to  all  human  beings  RASTAFARI...
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: toshIte on August 24, 2005, 02:21:50 PM
To bro. ´naturalfood´ and bro. ´movie award`
keep ´misreasoning on´.
after all , it is ur ignorance.
lol. really laughable. lol
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: ital on August 24, 2005, 02:47:20 PM
Bredrin  Tosh,  If  you  have  some  thing  better  than  what  we  are  reasoning  about,  It  is  your  duety  to  shear  it  with  your  brother,  If  you  know  better  than  me  then  show  me  the  better  that  you  know,  A  wise  man  would   not make  fun  of  his  brother,  Why  take  the  words  of  myself  and  Oskar  as  if  our  words  are  disrespectful  to  our  fellow  human  beings,  They  cannot  kill,  and  they  are  not  presented  in  any  rude  way,  All  we  are  doing  is  reasoning,  Yet  you  seem  to  find  our  reasoning  offencive  to  yourself,  Can  you  reason  with  us  then,  Teach  us  how  to  reason  without  upseting  anyone  like  yourself.  ONE  LOVE  RASTAFARI...
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Oskar on August 24, 2005, 03:02:11 PM
Speedy BLING,
I'm not firing no shots at you personally, I'm just trying to show the bigger picture that gays is not the problem but just a symptom, and trying to get rid of the symptom does not cure the disease. So, you are right in saying that gay is not life, but how can we get them to understand? Simply saying that you are wrong doesn't change much. Is it not better to try and reason a way out? Because if things make sense, it is easier to do.

toshIte,
Ridicule is protecting the self from its own ignorance, so laugh away. What you laughing at is your own self. So, when you done laughing maybe you can explain why supporting free choice is not good? If we don't have free choice it means that someone is telling us what to do, and true insight can never be reached by just following what someone is telling us, and thus the choice is in the hand of one and all.

See, society today even try to prove that there is such a thing as a gay gene, how can that be possible since gays never can have children, how would that gene spread? So, the system is trying to say that gays have no choice in being gay, which is not true. Everyone have a choice, regarding everything, and that is the freedom of LIFE. You nah see it?

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: M-Dub on August 24, 2005, 03:08:10 PM
Greetings and peace.

Just wanted to jump in and say big ups to ital and Oskar for some great reasoning 'pon dis topic. Irie bredrens.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: EmpressCarla on August 24, 2005, 03:22:28 PM
Hetepu

I do not overstand your reasoning ital. It is two-faced. In this thread you say you will support a person's right to make a wrong choice. Yet in another thread when I say I support another human being, you say that anyone who supports that PERSON is stupid or wrong. So you think it's better to support a wicked choice than it is to support your bredren?

I will agree with Oskar's reasoning that homosexuality is a symptom of a bigger problem. But so is ALL wickedness. So okay then, what? What is the bigger problem and how do we resolve it? And please, simply answering that reasoning is the key is not enough.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: M-Dub on August 24, 2005, 03:27:13 PM
Hmm, the mighty Empress has once again stirred up the discussion. This really got me thinking.

What is this bigger problem? Is it the acceptance that is spreading? Or is it the "I don't care" attitude? Could it be societies complete lack of morals? I mean, everything used to be run by the church and things were strict and by the book. Once the church was discredited, these "morals" and "beliefs" started to be questioned. This is something I'll have to meditate upon some more.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: EmpressCarla on August 24, 2005, 03:32:54 PM
Hetepu

Those are very good questions, M-Dub. I will have to medi on them as well before responding.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: ital on August 24, 2005, 03:50:06 PM
Greetings  Empress,  My  support  is  for  the  freedom  to  choose,  not  for  the  thing  chosen,  It  was  not  me  that  give  human  beings  choice  jah  did  that,  So  while  i  support  the  right  to  choose,  If  one  choose  to  hate  i  do  not  support  that  choice,  And  if  one  choose  to  be  gay  i  do  not  support  that  either,  But  i  must  respect  the  indivual  freedom  to  choose  because  jah  give  all  the  freedom  to  choose.  one  love  to  all  earth  people  RASTAFARI...
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: ital on August 24, 2005, 03:54:36 PM
And  Empress,  in  the  other  tread  the  reasoning  was  about  supporting  someone  who  is  wrong,  Iam  not  supporting  anyone  that  is  wrong  in  this  tread,  one  love  RASTAFARI...
 
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Oskar on August 24, 2005, 04:30:46 PM
EmpressCarla,

As you say, all wickedness is rooted in the same problem. Wickedness is of evil and evil is lack of good which is God. So, God have all the answers.

Ok, the answer that you are looking for is within your own reasoning. Can you see that there is a difference between supporting a persons right to choose and supporting the person? If you support the person this means that you support his choice, but if you support his right to choose you can still provide a reason for what you see as right and wrong, and if the reason is a good one it will make sense.

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Oskar on August 24, 2005, 04:49:13 PM
M-Dub,

The bigger problem? I'd say it's both. The "I don't care", and thus supporting the acceptance of what is not right. Lack of morals is "I don't care" and failing to see the one place where one can make a difference, is in ones own life.

The 'fall' of the church and societies general faith in science have led to vanity and arrogance, greed and exploitation. Few are those who take their time to look into the message of old, most are dragged into the rat race of dominance and superiority.

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: M-Dub on August 24, 2005, 04:58:14 PM
Hmm, so perhaps the separation from Jah and/or spirituality is playing a large part...

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: EmpressCarla on August 24, 2005, 05:47:09 PM
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And  Empress,  in  the  other  tread  the  reasoning  was  about  supporting  someone  who  is  wrong,  Iam  not  supporting  anyone  that  is  wrong  in  this  tread,  one  love  RASTAFARI...
  

So then, are you saying you don't believe homosexuality is wrong?

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: EmpressCarla on August 24, 2005, 06:01:31 PM
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Ok, the answer that you are looking for is within your own reasoning. Can you see that there is a difference between supporting a persons right to choose and supporting the person? If you support the person this means that you support his choice, but if you support his right to choose you can still provide a reason for what you see as right and wrong, and if the reason is a good one it will make sense.


You got it backwards, Oskar. I support ALL human beings because I recognize Jah in everyone. However, I do not support ANY wrong choice. If I see a parent abusing a child, I do not support their right to discipline their child in such a way. I would reject that. Same with a gay person. I have had many friends who were gay. If my gay friends needed me, I'd be there for them in a heartbeat. But when it comes to supporting their lifestyle, I have none of it.

I have had girlfriends who have had abortions. I will support them because they are my friend. But in the same breath I will tell them that abortion is wrong and is a selfish decision. Nevertheless, if they needed me to, I would be a shoulder to cry on. But my conscience will be clear because I told them the truth in the first place.

So for me, it is a must to support the person because I see Jah in everyone. Yet if they choose wickedness, they do it of their own accord. All of us will make mistakes, yet we have the opportunity to grow and learn from those mistakes. That is why I support the person, because anyone can change. Yet if they are doing wrong I will NEVER say, "they have a right to be wrong." Why on earth would I support ignorance or wickedness???

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Oskar on August 24, 2005, 06:40:22 PM
EmpressCarla,

Seen, it is a thin line we trodding here. I don't really think I got it backwards as what you say is how I see it. But the point that I am standing by is the support for people to have a choice, because if we don't have a choice we are oppressed and are not allowed to think for ourselves.

I think that by having the right to be right and the right to be wrong we can open up the situation so that truth can be known. If those who are wrong is suppressed by those who see themselves as right, those who are wrong will just try to free themselves from the oppression and start run from what is right, seen? Two wrongs don't make right. So, we got to go round the right way to show what is wrong, seen?

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: toshIte on August 24, 2005, 06:47:09 PM
to bro ital and bro oskar.

I guess the  namecalling was uncalled for. I apologise for that.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Oskar on August 24, 2005, 06:51:08 PM
Seen bredrin, no worries.

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: EmpressCarla on August 24, 2005, 07:13:08 PM
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If those who are wrong is suppressed by those who see themselves as right, those who are wrong will just try to free themselves from the oppression and start run from what is right, seen?

I never said anything about suppressing anyone. If ones choose to be gay, that is their business. That does not change the fact that it is an immoral choice. As I stated in my original post, I don't support any gay-bashing agenda. A gay person is a PERSON. Plain and simple. So I don't feel it is okay to inflict harm on anyone unless it is to defend myself.

At the same time, while I won't suppress or oppress anyone, I am not willing to let them express either. Again, if ones choose to be gay, that is their business. But as I get older I realize that I have to be careful of what I allow my eyes to see and my ears to hear. For the more you injest something, the more of it you will become. It's that old saying, "we are what we eat." Well in this case, we are what we consume. So I cannot support a person's right for wickedness because then it will flourish and then I am exposed to it more and more.

So if it is wrong, fiyah bun and not fiyah light!

Furthermore, if ones choose to run from what is right, that is their choice as well. As some like to say, the truth is an offense. So it is not my duty to sugar coat such things. Let those with ears to hear...

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Oskar on August 24, 2005, 07:23:19 PM
Seen sistren, you need to slow down. I was not accusing you in any way, I am just reasoning pon the subject you know, not the object. I repeat, nothing is directed to any certain one.

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: EmpressCarla on August 24, 2005, 07:25:22 PM
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Seen sistren, you need to slow down. I was not accusing you in any way, I am just reasoning pon the subject you know, not the object. I repeat, nothing is directed to any certain one.

OneLove
RASTAFARI

Huh?  [smiley=huh.gif]
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Oskar on August 24, 2005, 07:39:40 PM
No sorry, that one was for me. :)

Ok, this is what I'm saying. If it wrong, fiyah bun, yes, but a teaching vibe still, all a matter of definition. Just keep telling truth and that will burn more than any name calling or ridicule.

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: EmpressCarla on August 24, 2005, 07:45:25 PM
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No sorry, that one was for me. :)

Ok, this is what I'm saying. If it wrong, fiyah bun, yes, but a teaching vibe still, all a matter of definition. Just keep telling truth and that will burn more than any name calling or ridicule.

OneLove
RASTAFARI

Okay, that must be for you too, huh? Because I didn't and wasn't about to call anyone a name.

If I bun fiyah, it is upon wickedness, never a person. (It took me a while to overstand that when someone burned fiyah 'pun me once upon a time.  [smiley=wink.gif])

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Oskar on August 24, 2005, 07:55:10 PM
True, well, see the way I write is with the voice of conscience so what I write is really for one and all. So why speak to only one person when we can speak to everyone at the same time, you know? We are only just talking with ourself.

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: DeadShark77 on August 24, 2005, 08:04:09 PM
I think we are all missing the point here.
Unless any of you are gay - you will KNOW it is not a choice.
Just as straight men did not choose to be gay - neither did gay people choose to be straight.
With that logic - it means all you straight men would like to go out and have sex with other men - but you CHOOSE not to.
That's not the case.
you are straight because you are attracted to women.
gay people are gay because they are attracted to the same sex.
no choice involved.
You can argue this until you are blue in the face.
Unless you personally made a decision to NOT act on your homosexual impulses - you did not CHOOSE to be straight.
that is ridiculous. I expected way more from a group of peaceful rastarfarians.
can't we just live and love and let the eye speak for our individuality?
what is wrong with us?
we're smothering the spirit in a bunch of man-made hatred.
grow.
please.
can't we just grow?
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: EmpressCarla on August 24, 2005, 08:04:28 PM
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True, well, see the way I write is with the voice of conscience so what I write is really for one and all. So why speak to only one person when we can speak to everyone at the same time, you know? We are only just talking with ourself.

OneLove
RASTAFARI


Who was speaking to only one person? My reasonings on this topic are for all as well. However, since it was you who was responding to my posts, I addressed the points you made. That does not mean I was burning fiyah upon you...only unless you are gay. But even still, the fiyah is not for Oskar the person, it is for the acts that Oskar may be committing. Just saying, IF you were gay.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: EmpressCarla on August 24, 2005, 08:07:39 PM
DeadShark, where did you find hate in this topic? Maybe from some, but not from me. I hate no one.

BTW, how do you know that homosexuality is not a choice?

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Oskar on August 24, 2005, 08:37:44 PM
EmpressCarla,
I am not so let's just step on the forward, sight?

DeadShark77,
I'm telling you everything is choice. But if you want to choose death above life, that is your choice. We are all the same, man and woman is just physical illusion, but you know that wooden game as a kid, the one with round, square and triangular holes and matching knobs. You know damn well that the square one don't go into the round hole, so why try make something fit that doesn't? You need to learn to control your sexdrive so as not to be controlled by it. You talking about growing, but what good does growing in perversion do?

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: EmpressCarla on August 24, 2005, 08:45:16 PM
Hetepu

Seen Oskar. I was just teasing.   [smiley=laugh.gif] [smiley=wink.gif]

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: M-Dub on August 24, 2005, 08:50:16 PM
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I think we are all missing the point here.
Unless any of you are gay - you will KNOW it is not a choice.
Just as straight men did not choose to be gay - neither did gay people choose to be straight.
With that logic - it means all you straight men would like to go out and have sex with other men - but you CHOOSE not to.


This statement is false. You misunderstood the point being made. A "gay" person consciously makes the decision on which urges to act out. How much soul and self searching does the average "gay" person go through? From my many discussions with "gay" people, I can tell you honestly not a lot. Also from my discussions it does appear that it is a choice. I remember one person telling me that after their first experience with another man they felt disgusted and they thought that perhaps they weren't gay.

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can't we just live and love and let the eye speak for our individuality?


I don't know anyone on this forum who doesn't live and love.

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we're smothering the spirit in a bunch of man-made hatred.


I don't know who "we" are, but there may be one or two individuals spreading hate, but most on here are all about acceptance and love.

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BTW, how do you know that homosexuality is not a choice?


This is a great point. No one can claim to know either way for sure. Deadshark, you speak poorly of those who believe that being straight or gay is a choice, yet at the same time you claim to know it is not a choice. Opinion is opinion.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: paco on August 25, 2005, 01:48:03 AM
"I'm telling you everything is choice. But if you want to choose death above life, that is your choice"  this naw sound like choice to i


i can't say rasta view on gays
what i can say is i choose not tobe gay, becoz i no like it


[smiley=smiley.gif]                                                                     [smiley=shocked.gif]
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: ital on August 25, 2005, 04:15:30 AM
Greetings  Empress,  I  think  you  should  stop  trying  to  overstand  what  iam  saying,  And  try  to  understand  because  understanding  is  coming  from  the  root,  I  will  explain  again,  Jah  give  man  the  freedom  of  choice,  I support  one  freedom  to  choose,  If  anyone  use  their  choice  to  be  a  killer  or  a  gay,  That  to  me  is  wrong  and  iam  not  a  supporter  of  wrong  doing,  Now  if  Jah  never  wanted  man  to  make  a  choice  Jah  would  not  have  give  him  one,  So  i  support  the  choice  that  Jah  has  given  to  man.  Bredrin  Tosh  no  offence  taken,  A  man  makes  himself  a  better  man  when  he  can  admit  his  own  mistakes  and  we  are  all  guilty  of  makeing  mistakes,  But  if  we  are  honest  with  ourselves  we  can  learn  a  great  deal  from  our  mistakes.  One  love  to  all  human  beings  RASTAFARI...
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: EmpressCarla on August 25, 2005, 03:19:33 PM
Hetepu

Bredren ital, I get what you are saying. I just find that you will vary your reasoning as needed.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: ital on August 26, 2005, 04:42:48 AM
Greetings  Empress,  I  do  vary  my  reasoning  but  only  to  show  the  truth  from  different  angles,  In  can  understand  whay  you  was  trying  to  say,  Because  it  does  sound  as  if  i  was  saying  that  i  support  gays,  but  i  do  not  believe  that  what  gays  are  doing  is  right,  So  iam  against  that  way  of  life,  I  will  not  attack  anyone  physically  for  being  gay,  that  is  between  them  and  jah,  But  if  someone  ask  me  what  i  personally  think  of  the  gay  life  style,  I  WOULD  HAVE  TO  SAY  IT  IS  NOT  A  LIFE  STYLE  THAT  I  PERSONALLY  AGREE  WITH.  One  love  RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: ital on August 26, 2005, 04:56:26 AM
Empress,  I  meant  to  say  i  can  what  you  was  trying  to  say.  one  love
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Lionsroar on August 28, 2005, 06:51:49 PM
the world is coming to an end i see it slowly but showly....evereything is changing
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: EmpressCarla on August 28, 2005, 06:59:32 PM
Hetepu

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the world is coming to an end i see it slowly but showly....evereything is changing

What makes you think this, Lionsroar? You say "everything is changing." Seen. Change is nothing new. Yet all change is not necessarily good. I myself do not hold to an "end times" philosophy. However, I have not studied it either. So I would like to know your thoughts as to why you feel this way. Thanx.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: hulet on September 02, 2005, 09:06:00 AM
Hi, I just joined the forum because I'm just tryin' to see what the Rasta religion is all about and this topic caught my eye.

A point I'd like to make to Rastas against homosexuality because of it being "unnatural"-- Just because it is not a normal human function to have sexual intercourse or to have a sexual attraction to a member of the same sex, it doesn't make it un-natural. Nature itself is not perfect. Homosexuality is merely a defect in the normal makeup of a human, not necessarily a negative defect, just a defect-- just as mentally handicapped people are defective in a sense that it is not in the normal human DNA to be handicapped. Does this mean that mentally handicapped people are at just as much fault as homosexuals? This may be confusing logic to explain on the internet, but I think it's fairly simple concept. Homosexuals are born that way, just as some 4 legged animals are born with 3 legs. A "defect" should not be held against any person.

(Remember I do not mean defect in a negative connotation)
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Oskar on September 02, 2005, 12:36:03 PM
Seen hulet, but as a matter of fact we always have a choice in acting on our urges. Blaming homosexuality on something as a defect tells you that you can't help it, but that is not true. You always have a choice, and if you want to have children what is required is a man and a woman. Now, how homosexuals want to get together and adopt kids? Them confused, I'm telling you male and female is required, why try to play like kids? Reality is there you know. The key issue is to not let your sexual desire run your life. Bad action such as that clouds your perception, but sooner or later truth will reveal.

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: nottydread on September 02, 2005, 01:21:39 PM
Though the bible states that homosexual sex is wrong, i choose to use my overstanding of life and love to form my own opinion on this.

Love is love and gay love is still love.
Homosexuality is part of humanity and has been with man since creation, and is also manifest in many other species on the planet.

The people of the bible and pre-bible times, were as ignorant of the subject then as many are now, which is why such hatred and shit-thinking goes on!

HOWEVER - sexual wantonness of any kind, hetrosexual or homosexual, is a path of destruction of the soul. If you cannot value your sexuality how can you value yourself?
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Oskar on September 02, 2005, 02:56:51 PM
nottydread,
I don't base my opinion on the bible, I form my own opinion too. My conclusion is that homosexuality is wrong, still I don't hate no one. All I'm saying is that everything is choice, some people say that it is out of personal control, but it is fully within personal choice.

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: M-Dub on September 02, 2005, 03:31:41 PM
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A point I'd like to make to Rastas against homosexuality because of it being "unnatural"-- Just because it is not a normal human function to have sexual intercourse or to have a sexual attraction to a member of the same sex, it doesn't make it un-natural. Nature itself is not perfect.


This statement is not correct. Nature is perfect. All of creation is perfect and was created as it was meant to be. Creation is perfection.

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Love is love and gay love is still love.


How can you say this with certainty? Can you prove to someone you've felt love? Have you felt gay love? Then how can a comparison between the two be made?

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Homosexuality is part of humanity and has been with man since creation, and is also manifest in many other species on the planet.


Based on what? What proof do you have that homosexuality has been with man since creation? I'm interested to find out. Also, regarding the many different species on the earth, I believe most species function on a lower level of consciousness based on instinct. A dog cannot be compared to a human.

One

Jah bless

Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Ras Saadon on September 02, 2005, 04:03:15 PM
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Homosexuality is part of humanity and has been with man since creation, and is also manifest in many other species on the planet


Homosexuality nah exist in other species, this is a misconception, in nature males sometimes act like they are having sex but its actually an act of dominance, the male on top never puts his penis in the other male buttocks, and also no sperm comes out, and in females it is only done by older females and young females that are about to reach puberty, it is thought to be a way to teach the younger females what to except from males when they'll reach puberty.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: hulet on September 02, 2005, 04:48:04 PM
 "This statement is not correct. Nature is perfect. All of creation is perfect and was created as it was meant to be. Creation is perfection. "

WHat I meant by perfect was not a literally sense... I find nature to be absolutely perfect in the way that everything humans need to survive is readily available by nature, including medicine, even tho' some humans feel necessary to take Vicadin to ease pain, Zoloft to ease depression, and on and on. When I stated nature wasn't perfect I meant that not every human that is born is born with the same physical makeup and some are born with "defects" or "irregularities" that are not what a "normal" human is born with-- in other words each human is hand made with individuality instead of being mass produced in a factory. Using your logic of "All of creation is perfect and was created as it was meant to be" then we can come to the conclusion that homosexuals were born this way because they were meant to. But that still leaves open the door for those who feel homosexuality is a choice  [smiley=huh.gif]
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: EmpressCarla on September 02, 2005, 05:07:09 PM
Blessings

All of creation is perfect, as M-Dub stated. Yet I was born with the ability to CHOOSE what is good or what is evil. It is my choice to act within my divinity, or to act in abnormality. So regardless of whether or not someone is born with a "defective" gay gene (which I really don't buy), as a human being they have the choice as to whether or not to act on it. Just as we each have a choice in how we will lead our lives.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: hulet on September 02, 2005, 05:14:36 PM
When you say they could choose to shun that behavior you are saying that they should shun the way they were born! People should embrace their differences and the differences of others because if not the only thing to come out will be hate. If our sexuality was a choice then i guarantee you every homosexual would change to heterosexuality-- with all the discrimination  homosexuals face today, no one would choose to be a homosexual... what kid would choose to be tormented at school by kids, beaten up by kids at school, looked down on by adults, and be excluded from virtually all religions!?!?! No one makes that choice, they are born with it, and asking them to ignore their naturally born body is hate and ignorance.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Oskar on September 02, 2005, 05:27:51 PM
Yea, I admire the gays for standing up for themselves but from a perspective, what is it that they stand up for? I mean, people who kill are born too, does that make it right? Should we kill just because we are born, able to do it and feel the urge? I don't think so.

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: chenai007 on September 02, 2005, 05:43:54 PM
The bible was given to us a a guideline as to how to live life peacefully among each other and in no way does the bible condone homosexuality, so obviously it is something that does not accentuate good living, if allowed to be carried on, life among each other would not be peaceful.
AIDS and improper familial values are typical repercussions of homosexuality.
But on another note, it is a biological mishap and the individual cannot be faulted for his/her sexual preference.
I would never ill-treat a gay person nor traet them differently but i certainly don't agree with it . [smiley=wink.gif]
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: hulet on September 02, 2005, 05:44:40 PM
Killing and homosexuality cannot even be put into the same perspective. I shouldn't have to explain this, but just in case, homosexuals don't affect anyone but themselves and their partners/wives/husbands whatever. Killers obviously affect more than one person because they killed someone. All they want to do is love the person they are in love with... soon this discrimination will not be as widespread, just as there is still discrimination against inter-racial couples (who just want to love each other), but not nearly as much. To all the people who have "Love" or "One Love" in their signatures but whoa re against homosexuality, why must we be greedy with love? Why can't we let homosexuals feel the same love that we feel as heterosexuals?
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: hulet on September 02, 2005, 05:52:56 PM
http://www.sodomylaws.org/world/jamaica/janews005.htm

Interesting read... reading that article and hearing people on these forums has definetly been a turn off to the Rastafari religion for me... where is the love?
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: M-Dub on September 02, 2005, 05:53:21 PM
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Using your logic of "All of creation is perfect and was created as it was meant to be" then we can come to the conclusion that homosexuals were born this way because they were meant to.


You are assuming that people are born into homosexuality. If this is your belief, then so be it, but you reason as if it is fact. It is not a fact. What I meant by creation is perfection, is that we are all created how we were meant to be, defect or not. Is being gay a defect? I definitely do not believe so. As Empress Carla said, we are born with choice. Choice does not have limits.

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When you say they could choose to shun that behavior you are saying that they should shun the way they were born!


Again, you assume that homosexuality is something people are born with. This has never been proven and I don't believe it will be.

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If our sexuality was a choice then i guarantee you every homosexual would change to heterosexuality


How can you guarantee this? Are you a homosexual? If not, then how can you make such a statement? There's a difference between knowing something and having an idea about something. From the homosexuals I have spoken with, this is not true at all.

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Killing and homosexuality cannot even be put into the same perspective. I shouldn't have to explain this, but just in case, homosexuals don't affect anyone but themselves and their partners/wives/husbands whatever. Killers obviously affect more than one person because they killed someone.


Am I missing something? Who compared sexuality to killing?

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To all the people who have "Love" or "One Love" in their signatures but whoa re against homosexuality, why must we be greedy with love?


Who's being greedy with love? One love is one love, not some love or partial love. By the way, you're asking questions without answering any of mine that I asked in my last post. Is there a reason for this? I would very much appreciate if you'd answer the questions.

One love.

One people.

One planet.

One King.

Jah bless.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: M-Dub on September 02, 2005, 05:58:10 PM
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Interesting read... reading that article and hearing people on these forums has definetly been a turn off to the Rastafari religion for me... where is the love?


Just saw this post. I don't know what that article has to do with RastafarI. Rasta is no religion. No one on here is trying to sugar coat things or turn you on to RastafarI. You are looking outward too much instead of looking inward.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: hulet on September 02, 2005, 06:00:27 PM
m-dub you never asked me any questions... the quotes you quoted and asked questions to where not from my posts. you were one of the people whose postings i was impressed with cuz i do feel that everything is born the way it was meant to be.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: hulet on September 02, 2005, 06:05:44 PM
and i have many gay relatives and many gay friends... each one, while still being proud of who they are and their sexuality, have said to me that it would be much easier if they would've just been born hetero. i know it's not a proven fact that people are born homosexual, but i still believe it to be true. there are some people (mainly immature teenagers) who think it's cool to be "different" and pretend that they are bi-sexual or homosexual for atttention, but if you have a one-on-one talk with someone who is actually gay you know by their voice and their eyes that it is no choice.

EDIT: there was a man/woman who said that some people are born killers so should they be exempt... that was who i was reffering to with that comment-- and in the article... i was using both the article and views on here to come to the conclusion that since homosexuality is wrong in the bible, that homosexuality is wrong to rastas
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Oskar on September 02, 2005, 06:10:46 PM
hulet,
No man, I'm just using your logic, you say that because you are born with this urge you say it should be right. A killer might claim the same thing, how can we know the difference? And homosexuals affect more than one person too, you saying you alone in the act? What you are doing is affirming your partner that what you are doing is right, even when it isn't, so thus you affect someone else than yourself.

And you are free to love every one, in fact it would be your obligation, nothing wrong with loving the same sex. Love is for everyone, but if you a brother, why have sex with another brother? Makes no sense man.

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: hulet on September 02, 2005, 06:17:14 PM
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hulet,
No man, I'm just using your logic, you say that because you are born with this urge you say it should be right. A killer might claim the same thing, how can we know the difference? And homosexuals affect more than one person too, you saying you alone in the act? What you are doing is affirming your partner that what you are doing is right, even when it isn't, so thus you affect someone else than yourself.

And you are free to love every one, in fact it would be your obligation, nothing wrong with loving the same sex. Love is for everyone, but if you a brother, why have sex with another brother? Makes no sense man.

OneLove
RASTAFARI


But the partner you have homosexual sex with is already homosexual and believes it is right... (when i say you i mean hypothetically not lieterraly you  [smiley=smiley.gif] )

The main difference between our point of views is that I believe you are born gay, and you believe it is a choice. I am not going to convince you of my side and neither are you so we are really running in circles. BTW, this was just a discussion and I still have respect for everyone I have argued with, we just share different views.   [smiley=smiley.gif]
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: M-Dub on September 02, 2005, 06:17:55 PM
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m-dub you never asked me any questions...


My apologies, I meant to differentiate between you and nottydread.

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but if you have a one-on-one talk with someone who is actually gay you know by their voice and their eyes that it is no choice.


How can you tell who a person is from their voice and eyes? You must have some abilities that I myself and others lack. I've never heard of anyone being able to know someone from their eyes and voice. Also, acting out their urges is a choice, period, whether you believe homosexuality is a choice or not. I have had such a discussion and the person told me that after their first experience with another man they thought they weren't gay.

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i was using both the article and views on here to come to the conclusion that since homosexuality is wrong in the bible, that homosexuality is wrong to rastas


Homosexuality is wrong to the conscience. It is far beyond words or books. If one has the spirit within, this is something they will know.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: hulet on September 02, 2005, 06:23:33 PM
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m-dub you never asked me any questions...


My apologies, I meant to differentiate between you and nottydread.

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but if you have a one-on-one talk with someone who is actually gay you know by their voice and their eyes that it is no choice.


How can you tell who a person is from their voice and eyes? You must have some abilities that I myself and others lack. I've never heard of anyone being able to know someone from their eyes and voice. Also, acting out their urges is a choice, period, whether you believe homosexuality is a choice or not. I have had such a discussion and the person told me that after their first experience with another man they thought they weren't gay.


Jah bless


What i mean by the eyes and voice is that when someone is truly speaking with their heart and not lying, you can tell. You can tell by looking at someones eyes if they are happy or sad... regardless of whether they are smiling or not. That was the point i was trying to make, that we all have a little lie detector within all of us.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: EmpressCarla on September 02, 2005, 06:52:05 PM
Blessings

Whether or not someone is born gay is irrelevant. As has been stated by myself and others, everyone has the ability to choose their actions. Or is there some unknown force within the gay person that makes them act out their homosexual urges?

Furthermore, just because one has friends or family that are gay, that does not make it okay. One can still love a gay person without supporting their gayness.

Bottom line, homosexuality is about sex. Not love. Being gay is about fulfilling the desires of self. Rastafari is for the benefit of ALL. So one cannot conclude that because certain ones on a Rasta forum do not support homosexuality that Rastas are not acting in love. This is about truth! And the loving thing to do is to always tell the truth.

And lastly, homosexuality most certainly affects more than the participants. What do you think happens to a young person's mind when they are exposed to such things? Confusion. Most of the problems that adults face are rooted in some childhood exposure to something. As homosexuality is promoted it gains wider exposure. And in my personal opinion, this is not a good thing.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: M-Dub on September 02, 2005, 07:04:04 PM
Great post Empress. This truly took my attention especially:

Bottom line, homosexuality is about sex. Not love. Being gay is about fulfilling the desires of self. Rastafari is for the benefit of ALL. So one cannot conclude that because certain ones on a Rasta forum do not support homosexuality that Rastas are not acting in love. This is about truth! And the loving thing to do is to always tell the truth.

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What i mean by the eyes and voice is that when someone is truly speaking with their heart and not lying, you can tell.


You can look into the eyes of a robber and ask him if he was born that way, if he believes he was, then he is not lying when he says 'yes'. His perception creates his truth. (not to compare robbers with homosexuality, but anything can be put there)

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: hulet on September 02, 2005, 08:56:45 PM
To say that homosexuality is all about sex and not love is pure ignorance. I'm truly disappointed that people who claim to support peace and unity see homosexuals as an object uncapable of love. I'm done with this discussion.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: EmpressCarla on September 02, 2005, 09:05:58 PM
Blessings

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To say that homosexuality is all about sex and not love is pure ignorance. I'm truly disappointed that people who claim to support peace and unity see homosexuals as an object uncapable of love. I'm done with this discussion.

Where in my post did I say homosexuals were objects "uncapable" of love??? hulet, you are reading with your own interpretation. When I speak of homosexuality I am not talking about the individual. For all individuals are divine. I am speaking of the wickedness of the act that some individuals CHOOSE to partake of. So if anyone is objectifying gay people, it is you.

And if you choose to be done with this discussion, is it because you cannot defend your position?

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: hulet on September 02, 2005, 09:13:57 PM
I'm choosing to end being a part of this discussion because I feel neither my side or your side are going to sway the other. Plus, I feel very strongly about this issue so I don't want to get in shouting matches with anyone, because I realize that we have differences and I do not want to have these differences influence my view of you as a person. I believe everyone of you is a good person and has a huge heart, I just don't think this was the best way to break into the forums[smiley=smiley.gif] and meet people lol.
No hard feelings at all. Peace
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: EmpressCarla on September 02, 2005, 09:50:29 PM
Blessings

Certainly there are no hard feelings. We are reasoning the point in order to come to a better overstanding of this issue. That's all. It is my opinion that for me to truly know something I must be able to validate my knowledge. Since coming to this forum, there have been many things that I once believed that I now do not hold as my belief. I try to dig deeper. Some of my views have been validated and I have a deeper understanding. Some views have been tested and did not hold water. Oh well. I am a better person now because I see things more clearly. So Ises to Jah for truth over belief!

I think the confusion comes in because defenders of homosexuality tend to think that if others say it is wrong, they are making the person wrong. As I said, all are divine. So I must hold no ill will or hate against any person regardless of how they choose to live their lives. Yet if what they do goes against nature and truth, then what they are doing is wrong. And they need to come up out of it. I can love the person without loving their inappropriate acts.

Just how I sees it.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: yozshura on September 02, 2005, 10:05:23 PM
who are we to judge?
you all have the right to say, and think what ye want; but then again, if someone gay stands before ye, will ye say.. i will not speak to you, because you are not like me..

while the teachings show us that we are all One.. children under Jah..
maybe their action is wrong, but then again; we all have our faults, and it is for HIM to forgive; not for others
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Wahine on September 03, 2005, 03:46:09 AM
Some heated discussion going on here!
From my "own" experience regarding "gays" and their decisions, my brother says he is attracted to men but just recently he told me he wasn't sure. So was he born gay or did he just make a decision that he was? He has had girlfriends in the past and has found that a satisfactory relationship but he also thinks he likes men as well. All screwed up and sick to me. I feel he has made a decision to be that way. I don't believe for one minute that he was born that way.
Of course i'm not going to hate him because he is my flesh and blood, but if he wants to continue down this path then i will always look side ways at him.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Oskar on September 03, 2005, 07:19:57 AM
yozshura,
"if someone gay stands before ye, will ye say.. i will not speak to you, because you are not like me.."

Who said that? I sure didn't. Why would I even reason on the gay issue if I choose not to talk?

hulet,
You come to this forum to meet people, or to further your knowledge of truth? And there is no need to enter any shouting matches, we can deal with things in a peaceful manner. But why don't you answer my questions?

"But the partner you have homosexual sex with is already homosexual and believes it is right..."

So just because you believe something would make you right? Once again I bring up the killer who believe he is right, does that make him right? Further, two wrong doesn't make right, the fact still remains that the two of them affirm each other in their doings. It is much easier to do something wrong if it looks right in the eyes of another than if one is alone and in doubt.

"we just share different views."

So you don't love truth then as there can be no conflicting views within truth. I know what I think yet your thinking leads me to a question that you can not answer, then how can you know?

OneLove
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: NegusNegustiality on September 03, 2005, 01:36:54 PM
Ises,
think about from deh Irator's point of view.  In Ini opinion Jah would seh dat He gave Ini deh whole earth with food tuh consume, water tuh sustain and copulation tuh replenish.  some wicked man have decided tuh pervert sexual relations and in turn have deleted deh fruits of deh loins, hence cutting off huemanity's life.  deh reason Ini seh dis is because tuh see if something is really ggod or right for huemanity, apply it tuh deh whole globe.  so what if everyone was strictly a sodomite upon planet earth, huemanity would cease tuh exist in three generations.
so no man can defend a next man's actions but from dem try and disraspect deh order, LAVA!!!!!!!!!!!

Haile I defend and protect deh woman dem because dem are Iration.

Rastaman mek nuh apology for nuh battybwoy!!!

Haile I Bless
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Regdan on December 01, 2005, 02:45:38 AM
I see the logic in all the posts here, but I do not fully understand them.

The deliberate bashing and claims against gays is rather offensive, I wouldn't know the feeling myself. But have you thought of it this way, can you make yourself gay? Really, can you actually do that? No, you can't. You can't force urges upon yourself, you cannot control what arouses you. To force yourself to be gay is like trying to force yourself into a relationship with someone without the love.

Also, if gays cannot love then how come they want to marry? Most gay people don't just go around promoting their sexual preference. They don't just rant on about how they like their sex, they are alot like us, heterosexuals.

I don't like the concept of having sex with a man, in fact, it disgusts me. But I am not going to bash someone because of what Jah gave them as a sexual choice.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Regdan on December 01, 2005, 02:47:18 AM
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Some heated discussion going on here!
From my "own" experience regarding "gays" and their decisions, my brother says he is attracted to men but just recently he told me he wasn't sure. So was he born gay or did he just make a decision that he was? He has had girlfriends in the past and has found that a satisfactory relationship but he also thinks he likes men as well. All screwed up and sick to me. I feel he has made a decision to be that way. I don't believe for one minute that he was born that way.
Of course i'm not going to hate him because he is my flesh and blood, but if he wants to continue down this path then i will always look side ways at him.


If you look at it that way, then why would you oppose of other homosexuals? We are all your brothers and sisters!

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Positive_Vibration on December 01, 2005, 02:56:04 AM
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If you look at it that way, then why would you oppose of other homosexuals? We are all your brothers and sisters!

Be blessed.


Regdan -

It is seen and understood by one and all Rastas that we are all brothers and sisters under the Almighty father, Jah Rastafari. This is a truth of perhaps the most basic and simple form. Truth, however, is revieled in accordance to consciosness. At the beginning of becoming conscious, one may only be able to grasp unity and anything else may come off as segregation. So I know where you're coming from. Your fellow youths and elders stress humbleness so much though because they are speaking from higher levels of consciosness. Unity is a foundation from which many steps are formed. These steps are pivotal though, as we have kingmen and empresses on this very site that will disregard commentary that is simply left on the "one love" plane. Of course all mathematics root back to one but it is narrow to only know the one. Many ways to say the same thing right here for you.

The point though, is that buning the Rasta fiyah of purification upon banty boys and homosexuality is not one of segregation or hate. Rastafari people see the divinity in all of their brothers and sisters. But again this is the first level. On deeper ones, it is your works that reveil the I's true self and it is unrighteous works that the righteous person must bun fiyah to. Forget never that the same fiyah being passed must first be buned on the pasee.

Truly higher thinking, seen.

One love
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Regdan on December 01, 2005, 03:08:54 AM
Yet homosexuals are thought to not feel love? That is true ignorance. Just because someone is different doesn't mean they don't think on certain aspects like you.

To condemn someone because they are different or it appears 'unnatural' is alot of the attitude that started slavery for African Americans.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Positive_Vibration on December 01, 2005, 03:15:54 AM
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Yet homosexuals are thought to not feel love? That is true ignorance. Just because someone is different doesn't mean they don't think on certain aspects like you.

To condemn someone because they are different or it appears 'unnatural' is alot of the attitude that started slavery for African Americans.

Be blessed.


Find me a quote in my post where I said that homeosexuals are thought to not feel love. Of course they do! What was said was

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On deeper ones, it is your works that reveil the I's true self and it is unrighteous works that the righteous person must bun fiyah to. Forget never that the same fiyah being passed must first be buned on the pasee.


Again, nothing was said about them just 'seeming unnatural.' Africans were born with dark skin. Banty boys make the descision to stick their reproductive organ up the behinds of their fellow kingman. Never it be forgotten either though, the perspective of direct African rastas such as Alpha Blondy who keep judgement strictly to Jah upon this issue. Still though, when the fiyah burns, it is one of Jah love. It is on no righteous persons agenda to murder, shackle, or physically hurt someone for being homosexual. Jah fiyah has nothing to do with a chemical lighter!

One love
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Regdan on December 01, 2005, 03:23:46 AM
Until I see someone back up their opinions on how homesexuals get their attractions I don't want to hear another word about it. It really is beginning to aggravate me. People say they know factually, yet they support it with nothing. I was merely giving my opinion.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Positive_Vibration on December 01, 2005, 03:30:30 AM
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Until I see someone back up their opinions on how homesexuals get their attractions I don't want to hear another word about it. It really is beginning to aggravate me. People say they know factually, yet they support it with nothing. I was merely giving my opinion.

Be blessed.


What in those posts said anything about this being 'factually' or anything. The topic is 'rasta view on gays' and this is cut & dry Rastafari perspective! It seems as though you are reading one thing and replying to something else

One
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Inf3ct on December 01, 2005, 04:54:14 AM
Ok here is my view.......

what people do sexual is none of my business. If people want to be gay then they can be gay...I don't see how it is affecting me at all or anyone else. And as if it is right or wrong....who is to say? Right and Wrong are just opinions and boundaries set up by society. If you were not around other people you would not have a perspective on what is right or wrong and you would be doing tons of stuff that you would normally consider wrong....or who is to even say living in society the way we do is normal....I dont know where I'm taking this now.....anyways if it's their private lifes I dont care. [smiley=wink.gif]
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Soul-Jah on December 01, 2005, 11:19:36 AM
greetings
i think it was tree natty who said sodomy is something created through western thinking this i agree with , once the natural balance of life is adjusted all sorts of un natural thinking will occur in those that are weak hearted , at the heart of this corruption i believe is the western translation of the bible, i must say parts of the bible seems to support homo sexuality, just look at the father the son and the holy spirit, now if this is supposed to be the family of life were is the womban? also the mother of jesus is said to be a virgin what does this tell us ? reproduction is a dirty business?, remember jesus was born without sin, so the west sees natural creation as sin? thease views have caused many womban to become femanists, which has only confused weak hearted men even more, EMPRESS CARLA that strength you speak about that attracts you to men, many woman now attemped to act the same way this is why in recent times weve seen a increase in the number of gays,
ITS GETTING HARDER TO TELL WOMAN FROM MAN the balence is all messed up

fire burn a weak heart






peace and love
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: rasta_dattha on December 01, 2005, 04:51:01 PM
we should always fight against corruption and wickedness.Our heavenly and earthly father,H.I.M. does not make mistakes.He created a perfect earth and also male and female to be companion to each other.We as rases know that by supporting homosexuality is totally "WRONG". Ones and Ones should stop enabling these confused souls with their destructive behaviors.Yes, people are allowed to make choices but, the question is are we here to support them when the choices are wrong? or should we take a stand by letting them know the we support"CREATION" NOT DESTRUCTION.I commend the rases who  are the vanguards of the earth (fighting against the shitstyem) as member of this beautiful earth,we cannot avoid meeting or knowing gay people, they may even be a family member but we shoul always let them know that we are not in support of their acquired life style. Our children are watching and learning!we can take a page out of the way the animals live.are there any gay animals? lets stop playing with the word "choice" killing is also a choice, is it wright?don't be like "humpy-dumpy" who sits and the wall and don't know which way to fall!       Love and truth
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Soul-Jah on December 01, 2005, 05:17:23 PM
rasta-dattha
very well said empress be blessed

peace and love
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Regdan on December 02, 2005, 02:14:40 AM
Quote

Find me a quote in my post where I said that homeosexuals are thought to not feel love. Of course they do! What was said was



I never was quoting you, but questioning what others ignorantly said. If I was quoting you, I would've told you directly. Sorry if you feel attacked in any manner.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Inf3ct on December 02, 2005, 02:17:37 AM
First of all, I don't see gay's as being evil or wicked, but confused. Secondly I think there are bigger problems then the moral issue of homosexuals, like the U.S. government and others just like it all over europe with their foreign policies and imperialism.

"are there any gay animals?"

Actually yes there are, and there have been reports of homosexual animal behavior for years. It's not like all this sudden homosexuality just started or somthing, it's been around for thousands of years.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: M-Dub on December 02, 2005, 03:54:30 PM
A male dog mounting a male dog does not imply homosexuality, rather domination. We as humans have no idea why animals behave the way they do. Therefore no human can validly prove that there are animals that are truly homosexual.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: rasta_dattha on December 02, 2005, 04:54:12 PM
when we say that research showed that there are gay animals,we most be careful,these can be the same research that claimed that "AFRIKKANS"brains are smaller than the brains of the europeans.Firstly,always check out whom is doing those studies and their motives behind their conclucions.The meat industries says ,that vegetarian diet is un healthy. what do you think that is all about? I see ($$$$$).As a dattha of the most hight,H.I.M. who teaches Me to study nature to find the answers to difficult questions, I know that His laws are perfect.
H.I.M. teachings condemns (batty-men and batty-women). I cannot speak to the ones that are not of the RASTAFARIAN faith who believes that homosexuality is right or is to be condone, I can only say ,that is why as Rases we separate ourselves from the BABYLONIANS WAY OF THINKING. When we took on the tittle :children of King HAILE Selassie I WE became prepared to fight down Babylon.I am not asking for any apologies. To the ones that are turn off, of our Rasta way of thinking is because those ones believes that 'RASTAFARIANS are like hippies,we are NOT! we belive in ONE LOVE ..NOT everything GOES.Rastafarians follows the teachings of H.I.S and Her Majesty teachings.WHY are people always trying to change who we are as rases? first , wearing our LOCKS was a problem,then our liveth(instead of diet)became also a problem.People would ask us why are you eating veg.?I ASKED why not?.We as Rases are pro-life simple. man+Man=0 /Woman+Woman=0 and 0+0= "NO LIFE"
      Many are call but few are chosen..  walk in JAH light and you will be chosen!
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: EmpressCarla on December 02, 2005, 05:12:21 PM
Blessings

Excellent teachings, rasta_dattha!  [smiley=smiley.gif]

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: rasta_dattha on December 02, 2005, 05:52:33 PM
I greet the I, sis Carla. we should never allow the ones with the Babylonians way of thinking to try and force us into believing that those negative and nasty life styles are normal and healthy.Although, any one can be a victim of the deadly disease'aids'we all know whom it is prevalent amongst.contrary to some belief and rumors that aids started in  our home 'AFRIKKAA"I and I know where its origin came from.      LETS CONTINUE TO DO OUR FATHERS WORK! ...........NO,NO. TO DEATH..

         YES,YES TO NATURE AND LIFE!                                        
Title: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: rasrossi on December 03, 2005, 03:27:10 AM
Rastas dont work for CIA...Rat Race.

Gay is part of the Rat Race...Lesbian is another Kinda Rat Race.....One would easily say that Rastas have no view on the above Topic as to say Rastas in general but to kae it more clear,Gay is evil no matter how some of us see it..it is ofcourse a destructive instrument upon Youths and Elders as well.If it a matter of choice,then it is a wrong choice but since we have the freedom and right to choose whatever we want....those who chose to be gays made their choices but for me,i remain firm with my opinion that it is not a good choice.

One Love
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Inf3ct on December 03, 2005, 06:54:45 AM
It don't bother me.....you could say you are against babylon for saying gay is evil, but you could also be with it cuz a majority of people feel the same way. I don't think we will ever get to the bottom of this, because it is just opinions, and opinions only.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: EmpressCarla on December 03, 2005, 03:47:06 PM
Blessings

Inf3ct, one's opinion should be based on truth. You stated that there are bigger problems than the moral issue of homosexuality. But homosexuality is corruption, so it is just as big a problem as any other, because if allowed to grow and flourish, eventually I and I all have to come in contact with it.

As Rasta it goes against everything we stand for. Yes, Rasta is One Love. I and I love my gay bredren and sistren enough to give them some tough love! Never will I harm them, but why should I sit back and watch them harm themselves? Rasta is also a revolution against the "norms" of society. Just because something is commonplace does not make it righteous. I and I have to look at each issue with open honest eyes. Ask the tough questions as to whether or not something truly is divisive to us. Or does it better us? I and I have to strip away those things that are unnecessary and confusing, and instead speak life in order to live.

Supporters of homosexuality always want to say "it doesn't affect me" or "it doesn't bother me". Well, it does and it should! When I can't go to turn on TV without some sort of homo-erotic innuendo being displayed to me, it is a problem. When I have to monitor what my nieces and nephews watch on TV so as not to expose them to such things, it is a problem. When I have to share the banner of civil rights with such wickedness, it is a problem!

It is a problem because being flooded with something will eventually de-sensitize a person. Just take a look at the proliferation of rap music. Not conscious, positive hip hop. But look at gangsta rap. Look at all of the sexual exploitation of wombman so prevalent within rap music. As it gets worse, each generation becomes more and more desensitized to the images. So it is nothing for a wombman to shake her @ss these days. It is commonplace.

I say NO to all corruption, for it will spread like a cancer if not removed. The truth is, homosexuality is nothing more than a sexual taboo. That is what makes most ones want to indulge: the iniquity of it. For it is much less fun to stand up for boring old truth and righteousness.  [smiley=rolleyes.gif]

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: ArkI on December 03, 2005, 05:02:40 PM
I will rewrite what I have written before concerning this topic

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It is not necessary for I and I to do anything to hurt or kill homosexual people. Let the dead bury the dead. It is time for their line of life to end, so they will not continue forward to future generations. That is why the laws say that they shall surely die, their blood shall be upon them. Their blood is on their own hands because they have killed themself.
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Here is another reasoning that I posted here before that relates to what I said above.

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I see my life as the same as my father's and mother's life. I don't see my life as beginning when this flesh came out of I mother. I see I life as beginning when Jah created Life.  

And I see that all of my ancestors since the beginning of time, have Itinued their life by fighting to survive and having children to Itinue their line.  

So to I it is a shame when I hear people choosing not to have children, because of their lifestyle or any other reason. It is a great disrespect to all their foreparents who have Itinued this life for so very long. The only reason that we exist is because all of our foreparents Itinued Life.  

Just think of how many centuries have past since I and I life began. So many centuries of struggling to Itinue this life. Then one selfish generation comes and only sees their life as born and dead, and give up what their foreparents fought so hard to keep.  

If Jah strikes a man or woman so that they cannot have children, then this is Jah's doing. But if a man or woman chooses this, it is a great sin, and Jah will not turn his eyes away from this.  

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I don't believe that a man or woman is born gay, I believe it is a choice.  I believe that some men are born more masculine and others more feminine, and that some women are born more feminine and others more masculine. But that doesn't mean that they are supposed to be gay, they are just supposed to be the way they are structured along the range of masculine and feminine. And join with another to Itinue their Life.  

I didn't say that if a person cannot have children that it is OK.  I said that it is Jah's doing, why Jah has decided to prevent them from continuing their life is between them and Jah. If they are born gay as you say, then that means that it is time for that person's line to end, the life of their foreparents was not meant to continue.    

But I still see it as a choice that people make.  A man is to Love their friend as a Brother, not a wife.  

rastafari is a movement of Life, not death



Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: adamzky on December 03, 2005, 11:16:09 PM
If Rasta has tauht me anyhing i belive that all of us are equile to our own views, and sexual orientation, I personly know a gay person... He is no diffrent form you or me.. he just see's the curves of a mans Rear the same as a femails milk jugs.. (sorry bout me dissrespect, but cant say it anyother way)

KK
Love Rasta

Onelove
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Rasta Nick on December 03, 2005, 11:22:16 PM
One Love

and if only people could read and overstand what ya say Ark  [smiley=smiley.gif]

Would any of you wake up and choose to think "today I am going to pass my time on this planet by persecuting somebody who is gay" ? ...... I doubt it .. and if you do then ... hope this reasoning reaches out to you ... anyway I cannot articulate any clearer than Ark I's words.

Jah blessings,
One World, One Love,
Nick
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: rasta_dattha on December 04, 2005, 03:53:33 AM
a woman sold or sent or" little girl " to sleep(have sex) with a much older man in order to use the $$$ buy crack cocaine.when I found out ,I asked the mom what  on earth possessed her to do that ? this was her reply:this is my fucking daughter and it is my choice.... she also said that I should mind my own business.I called the child abuse agency and reported her.many people said that I was wrong ,because its her child and she as the right to do as she pleases with her.this means that to those who believes that people can freely make choices no matter what "think again".who is here to protect  this nine years old child? just in case you were wondering,this man is in his 50s.if you believe that this is none of your concern,then you just don't know the meaning of the words:HE is My brother,SHE is my sister when they hurt i also feel the pain.wen my sisters or brothers makes wrong choices ,as a member of this universe and as a Rastafarian dattha of the Most High i know that i must stand up for truths and rights.Lets not make any mistake wrong choices affects each and every one of us. To sis.Carla and those that dear to stand up for the teachings of our father(H.I.M.) much strength!!!! it is needed to fight against wickedness in high and low places. LET THE CORRUPT and WICKED FLEE! WE SUPPORT JAH WORKS!                
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Ras_Solomon on December 04, 2005, 06:37:53 AM
i dont like it and i dont accept it, if it was ok eveyone would be born with both male and female parts and we are not.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: msgal on December 04, 2005, 03:24:19 PM
Quote
One Love

and if only people could read and overstand what ya say Ark  [smiley=smiley.gif]

Would any of you wake up and choose to think "today I am going to pass my time on this planet by persecuting somebody who is gay" ? ...... I doubt it .. and if you do then ... hope this reasoning reaches out to you ... anyway I cannot articulate any clearer than Ark I's words.

Jah blessings,
One World, One Love,
Nick



I second that

Jah bless

One love
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: 100profit on December 16, 2005, 03:49:11 PM
we are all human beings. Live and let live. I don't care what you do behind closed doors, just don't put in my face or my children's
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Tottenham on December 16, 2005, 11:40:51 PM
Tree-natty.How can u say that homosexuality was not evident in the East or in Africa back in the day??Were u there?I doubt that it wasnt evident,just unacceptable.I say this as someone who derives from the east myself.I don't think that homosexuality is always something that people devlope when they are old enough to be, "perverted" by the West.I truly believe that homosexuality can be in someone at an early age.
That is not to say I think it is natural,but sometimes it seems Tree-Natty that u r very quick on the defense of Africans.In all your posts you seem to feel the need to stress that they do not or have not played a part in anything you consider wrong or sinful and that evrything is the fault of the whites.I am not trying to attack you I just find it slightly strange as no one is ever attacking Africans on this website,yet you seem to always be on the defensive or offensive.
Correct me if I have got it twisted.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: rasta_dattha on December 17, 2005, 04:00:02 PM
HOMOSEXUAL(BATTY MAN / BATTY GAL) IS A WASTE= NON-PRODUCTIVE = NO LIFE.
AS RASTAFARIANS WE FOLLOW THE TEACHINGS OF H.I.M. AND EMPRESS MENEN.WE DEAL WITH WHAT IS NATURAL,FOLLOW THE LAWS OF NATURE(PRO-CREATION)AND FIGHT FOR TRUTHS AND RIGHTS. ALL THIS TALK ABOUT HOMOSEXUAL IS JUST A WASTE OF TIME.FOR THOSE THAT ARE CLAIMING TO BE RASTAS, PLEASE STOP FOOLING YOURSELF AND BE REAL.   ASK YOUR SELVES THESE QUESTIONS,HOW DOES HOMOSEXUALS MAKE LOVE?(PUTTING YOUR PENNIS IN SOMEONES BUTT OR USING THOSE DEVICES  FOR SEXUAL PLEASURE) IS THAT NATURAL?WHEN WE LOOK AT THOSE STRONG BEARDED MEN,TWISTING THEIR BEHIND,DOES THAT LOOK NATURAL? OR WHEN WE SEE THOSE WOMEN ACTING LIKE MEN,IS THAT NATURAL?WHY THEY HAVE TO ACT?IF EVERYONE WERE GAY(I REALLY DON'T LIKE TO USE THAT WORD)GAY MEANS TO BE HAPPY!!! THEN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE EARTH...NO CHILDREN, NO YOU,NO ME ,NO US,NO ONE, THAT MEANS NO CREATION,THAT IS TOTALLY AGAINST "JAH'S CREATION" .IT WOULD HAVE BEING EASIER FOR JAH TO ONLY MAKE ONE SEX.DONT YOU THINK? WHY MAKE MAN,THEN MAKE WOMAN?WHY NOT JUST MAKE ANOTHER MAN?. SOME GROWING UPS SAY THAT THEY ARE ONLY ATTRACTIDE TO CHILDREN,NOW SHOULD WE CONDONE THIS KIND OF ATTRACTON,THEY SAY,THAT IS HOW THEY WERE BORN.THINK ABOUT A GROWING ASS MAN WOMAN MOLESTING CHILDREN.WHAT IF THAT WERE YOU ,A  FAMILY MEMBER OR CHILD?REMEMBER,THEY SAY THAT THEY WERE BORN LIKE THAT.AS SIS.CARLA AND OTHERS WROTE,WE DO NOT HAVE TO ACT ON EVERY FEELING.SELF CONTROL IS A MUST.DON'T YOU GET SO ANGRY,THAT SOMETIMES YOU NEED TO CONTROL THAT EMOTION OR YOU COULD HURT SOMEONE? THEN HOMOSEXUALS ARE SICK PEOPLE THAT NEED TO GET HELP.WE SHOULD NOT ENCOURAGE THEM WITH THAT KIND OF BEHAVIOR.IF WE DO,WE NOT ALSO SUPPORT ALL OTHERS THAT RAPING AND SLEEPING WITH CHILDREN(TO THEM IT IS NORMAL)AS A RASTA WOMAN WITH CHILDREN,I AM PREPARE TO FIGHT AGAINST CORRUPTION IN HIGH AND LOW PLACES....SEEN! WALK IN JAH LIGHT!!!!
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Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Elect on December 19, 2005, 02:53:09 AM
Peace & Blessings. Give thanks for all things...

I must say that this is a topic that I struggle with very often...I am an adopted child and my mother has in her late years decided to be a lesbian...Am I too hate her and not speak to her again...I wouldn't be who I am without her so regardless I cannot just "burn" all gays out of my life....I don't think her choices are right...but she is my mother and I will always love her...Also, someone said that we shouldn't hate them but try to save them...But as the Prophet Robert Nesta said, none but ourselves can free our mind....Usually, the more you try to show someone how wrong they are, the more they cling to their wrongness...Also...TREE...you post i find very contradicting and also....check ya Mathematics....Two negatives DO actually make a positive...so ya whole reasoning there is off...and why is it okay for women to be gay but not men...I think that is just a fantasy world you would like to see where Women please themselves and a man....

In my view, it is not anyones place to judge those who do wrong...Those without sin cast the first stone...Mary Magdalene was a whore...But Yeshua showed her unconditional love and eventually she came to see the light...I do think homesexuality is unnatural and amoral...but i do not agree with those that chant bout killin and shootin up people cause of their personal choices...That is there choice...if they choose to throw themselves in a lava pit through sodomy, don't go throwing yourself in the same lava pit through murder and hate....also, some of the brightest stars of Rastafari i find to be confusing and hypocrititcal to the youth them...just as you say the homo's are confusing to the youth them...For instance, Sizzla chant "Killing is not a part of our policy, you kill a brother explain to Almighty"...but everytime I have seen him perform he is screaming about Kill Battymon Kill Battymon...which is it...are we Shottas or are we Equal Rights and Justice...
so all in all i say yes Sodomy will Catch a Fire, but that is up to Jah to set the time and place...if you nah want to mix with them, that is fine and gravy...don't mix with them...But I say you can't get rid of them...so i show love to alll....Disagree, but still show love...I'm not here to kill no man because of their choices...me live my life as an example, and let those who see, see, and those who be blind stay blind...

Rastafari Everytime!!!
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: caitie on December 19, 2005, 03:21:05 AM
I think that it is wrong and unnatural to be gay and it is NOT accepted by God. But I also think that the person can't help it because of a medical problem(not enough estrogen or testosterone or too much) or because of a trauma in their life(molestation) so I agree that the most important thing for them to do is practice self discipline and self control. I feel sorry for them because of it though. I could never dislike or hate anyone for it.
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: Elect on December 19, 2005, 04:00:47 AM
Just a question...Can any one you that say you are merely holding up the teachings of Haile Selassie show me anywhere where he instructed man to persecute homosexuals, or kill them...as far as I know he never said such a thing...i know the Bible says the man lying with man and woman lying with woman is an abomination before the Lord...but even there...it does not instruct man to persecute or kill them...Judgement is the Lord's!!!...holla back though if you got a legitimate answer....
Title: Re: Rasta View On Gays?
Post by: searchingfortruth420 on February 05, 2010, 03:45:00 AM
Quote from: rasta_dattha link=topic=1919. msg41113#msg41113 date=1134835202
HOMOSEXUAL(BATTY MAN / BATTY GAL) IS A WASTE= NON-PRODUCTIVE = NO LIFE.
AS RASTAFARIANS WE FOLLOW THE TEACHINGS OF H. I. M.  AND EMPRESS MENEN. WE DEAL WITH WHAT IS NATURAL,FOLLOW THE LAWS OF NATURE(PRO-CREATION)AND FIGHT FOR TRUTHS AND RIGHTS.  ALL THIS TALK ABOUT HOMOSEXUAL IS JUST A WASTE OF TIME. FOR THOSE THAT ARE CLAIMING TO BE RASTAS, PLEASE STOP FOOLING YOURSELF AND BE REAL.    ASK YOUR SELVES THESE QUESTIONS,HOW DOES HOMOSEXUALS MAKE LOVE?(PUTTING YOUR PENNIS IN SOMEONES BUTT OR USING THOSE DEVICES  FOR SEXUAL PLEASURE) IS THAT NATURAL?WHEN WE LOOK AT THOSE STRONG BEARDED MEN,TWISTING THEIR BEHIND,DOES THAT LOOK NATURAL? OR WHEN WE SEE THOSE WOMEN ACTING LIKE MEN,IS THAT NATURAL?WHY THEY HAVE TO ACT?IF EVERYONE WERE GAY(I REALLY DON'T LIKE TO USE THAT WORD)GAY MEANS TO BE HAPPY!!! THEN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE EARTH. . . NO CHILDREN, NO YOU,NO ME ,NO US,NO ONE, THAT MEANS NO CREATION,THAT IS TOTALLY AGAINST "JAH'S CREATION" . IT WOULD HAVE BEING EASIER FOR JAH TO ONLY MAKE ONE SEX. DONT YOU THINK? WHY MAKE MAN,THEN MAKE WOMAN?WHY NOT JUST MAKE ANOTHER MAN?.  SOME GROWING UPS SAY THAT THEY ARE ONLY ATTRACTIDE TO CHILDREN,NOW SHOULD WE CONDONE THIS KIND OF ATTRACTON,THEY SAY,THAT IS HOW THEY WERE BORN. THINK ABOUT A GROWING ASS MAN WOMAN MOLESTING CHILDREN. WHAT IF THAT WERE YOU ,A  FAMILY MEMBER OR CHILD?REMEMBER,THEY SAY THAT THEY WERE BORN LIKE THAT. AS SIS. CARLA AND OTHERS WROTE,WE DO NOT HAVE TO ACT ON EVERY FEELING. SELF CONTROL IS A MUST. DON'T YOU GET SO ANGRY,THAT SOMETIMES YOU NEED TO CONTROL THAT EMOTION OR YOU COULD HURT SOMEONE? THEN HOMOSEXUALS ARE SICK PEOPLE THAT NEED TO GET HELP. WE SHOULD NOT ENCOURAGE THEM WITH THAT KIND OF BEHAVIOR. IF WE DO,WE NOT ALSO SUPPORT ALL OTHERS THAT RAPING AND SLEEPING WITH CHILDREN(TO THEM IT IS NORMAL)AS A RASTA WOMAN WITH CHILDREN,I AM PREPARE TO FIGHT AGAINST CORRUPTION IN HIGH AND LOW PLACES. . . . SEEN! WALK IN JAH LIGHT!!!!
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I am new here and was very interested until I read some of these posts.  I respect your belief that Homosexuality is wrong, however to compare two people who consensually act in sex with each other, with a person who rapes and molests children is ludicrous.  I don't believe being gay is a choice, regardless of what anyone says no one chooses to be persecuted in such a manner.  I believe that homosexuality is a defect within the brain, just like any other defects we have that cause people to become abnormal even certain animals commit homosexual acts.  It is not up to man to judge his brother, that decision is The almighty's alone.  I am not Rasta but I know that whoever is up there looking down on us, loves ALL of us.  They created everything to be created and because so everything abnormal and normal are equal.  People like Buju Banton who preach hate and violence towards such people are  sad, for whether you like it or not, homosexuals underneath the gender and sexuality and the flesh & bone are the same as all of us underneath the shell of external. . . . we are one and we should start acting like it, to have hate in your heart towards another person even though you dont act on it, is still a injustice to yourself