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Title: Cycle of arguing
Post by: ArkI on December 16, 2005, 03:57:15 AM
This reasoning is a reaction to some arguing that has occured on I website.  But it also applies here many times in the existence of this forum.  Rasta Nick knows this well, because he has seen it come and go many times

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This reasoning isn't about one particular person. It is about all. If you think that this doesn't apply to you then that is for you to decide (whether right or wrong). If it does, then hopefully you will learn from it. I don't know everything that was said in the cycle of argument that has erupted on this forum. I started reading but the useless arguments took up too much space and the Useful reasonings were too spread apart and I wasn't in the mood for sifting through arguments.

I don't like drinking a glass of vinegar just because I know that there is a little honey added to it. I would much rather drink the straight honey, or at the very least a glass full of honey with a little vinegar in it.

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Usefulness is the essence of reasoning. Uselessness is the essence of Arguing.

Upliftment is the essence of reasoning. Downpression is the essence of Arguing.

Fighting for a cause will come from reasoning. Fighting for foolishness will come from arguing.

So often in the world, people are sparked by an argument about something valid, then the cycle of arguing resonates until the argument becomes about anything that follows, whether valid or not.

This happens in personal relationships between freinds and family and also between a man and woman couple. It also happens between groups of people, whether the grouping is about a common opinion, ideology, nationality, skin colour or whatever else.

For example, sometimes a person might become angry about something their spouse does. Sometimes they speak about this problem to their spouse and sometimes they do not. But what often happens afterwards is that one picks on the other about some small foolishness, and then the other picks back about some other small foolishness. This cycle resonates back and forth getting worse and worse until the breaking point.

Another example, two people or two groups have a difference of opinion and start arguing about the difference. Or one person or group offends the other and the arguing erupts. Then, as it escalates and resonates, the two start looking for arguments. And many times the arguments that follow would never be an argument if the first argument didn't happen.

What I mean by this is that one person could make a statement that wouldn't cause a bad reaction at all under normal circumstances. But when that same statement is made during the cycle of argument, the other will react with argument and offence. And the argument or offence that follows really has little to do with what was said, but it is rooted in that first argument that started the cycle.

Please consider what I am saying when you speak with others. Look for reasoning, not debate. Debate is about confrontation. Reasoning is about Iverstanding and Upliftment.

So before you react in argument, relax for a second, take in what was said and make sure that it is something worthy of an argument and worthy of the time, energy and stress involved. And ensure that you are not going to react only because of the resonance of a previous argument.

I guess for some people this won't really matter, because it seems that some people must enjoy arguing or something, that is probably why so many couples argue and so many people argue. Although I can't Iverstand what the joy is in this. I know that I much rather prefer Reasoning.

Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: rasbongo on December 16, 2005, 01:58:29 PM
Good words Ark I.
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Rasta_Man_410 on December 17, 2005, 04:39:36 PM
Very good words Ark. Bredren you hit the nail on the head with that one. People, he's right. There is too much arguing here, and I myself even get sucked in to it. Let's all try to be peaceful and not  hateful.
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Positive_I-rations on December 18, 2005, 12:23:20 AM
Great words Bredren, hope the whole forum read this and overstand that you are right about this... Keep up the GREAT reasoning !

Jah Bless
Title: Re: basic questions need answers
Post by: jin on December 27, 2005, 08:31:14 PM
Greetings all..

i have a couple of basic quaestions of Rastafari,which i have never had a satisfactory answer to.Im not trying to disrespect anybody here but i do feel that unles their is a satisfatory answers,rastafari as a distinct spiritual or religous ideology is baseless..

my first question:
haile selasssie never calimed divinity,in fact he and his family denied it very strongly.He didnt achieve anything of significance during his rule, was assasinated prematurely by mere mortals, and to top it all off his body rotted away underneath a toilet .....
how then such a mans life transalate as diefication or avatar of the almighty?
Africa is not free after selassie i...ethiopia has massive problems of povery...nobody reeally wants to move to africa...only 200/300 people are left in the spaces allocated for repatriation.

question 2:rasta and the bible

The bible has been altered for centuries,so their is hardly anything authentic left...how many rastas histroically(certainly not bob marley) can speak armaic or hebrew...their is no scholarly tradition in rasta history, but it calims to be based on a true reading of the bible,a bible written and bought to them by white man?

what is the scriptural basis of rasta fari..but how many rastascholars ahve studided armaic or can understand the language of the real bible..not an english version?I dont think they have ever been any.

whilst i understand the psychological and spiritual need for a religous ideology in which the blakc man can coem to terms with his own divinity it seems that the foundations of rastafari has no historical or factual basis,other than a wishful imposition of a psychological and human need into a situation that did in reality not fit it.

i can understand the dilema of black people outside their own continent.especially when they have been forced there through slavery...and i acknowledge that rastafari and noi and other such sects reflect the evolution of black spirituality  towards a a greater truth whatever that may be.To me it seems liek a lesser truth or a falsehod that is necessary and thus truth at a certain level of reality.

i just dont understand how people can worship someone as divine who was failure,was buried under a toilet,did not achieve any great social or spiritual change,denied being divine,his family were not believers...and then to  base your religion on a text which on the one hand you claim has been the source of oppression as your holy text..even when no one in the culture has any tradition linking them to the authentic intepretation of it....

i mean i understand rastafari as a feeling..getting intouch with the divinity within as black man...but all religous and spiritual ideologies to be self validatin and become useful on a cultural level,have to be authorised by the divine itself, have to have a prohpet and have to stand up to historical and factual analysis..
in the case of the rastafari religion and the culture that evolved from it,all these criteria aere not only not met,but on the basis of even a cursory look,falsified and mere conjectures of wishful thinking?


please anybody enlighten...
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: EmpressCarla on December 29, 2005, 05:00:32 PM
Blessings

@jin
Well, you certainly brought new questions into this topic. I can only assume you posted them here because as a new member you are not yet allowed to start your own topics, and your impatience has gotten the better of you.  [smiley=smiley.gif]  Well, there is a reason why "newbies" can't start a topic. Usually the questions posed can already be found somewhere within this forum. So that is what I will suggest to you. If you are genuinely interested in learning about Rastafari, then take the time to read what's already written here by many members. I'll even give you a little help...some members who bring great reasonings are:

Ark I - the originator of this thread, who without a doubt always gives reasonings that ones can ponder and grow with.

Kinfokedez - a bredren who posts rarely but again, always brings a wisemind.

Tree-Natty - has much information on the origins of Afraka and Khamitic teachings.

FiyahBun - who reasons with a mystical vibration, a perspective that validates Rastafari in a spiritual way.

EmpressGong - who is the sweetest sistren but will burn you with that fierce truth.

ital - also brings a varied perspective of Rastafari

NegusNegustiality - a bredren who can validate the effectiveness and divineness of HIM and the Rastafari faith within and without the Bible.

msgal - a sistren who always reasons from a heartical, personal perspective.

M-Dub - an intelligent bredren most knowledgeable on the benefits of herb.

Rasta Nick - last but certainly not least, the owner and moderator of this forum, Nick is always available to ask anything.

I am sure I have missed several very informative members within this list. But if you take the time to read through existing threads, you will have a better foundation with which to base your questions.

For me personally, I find Rastafari to be a blend of spiritual and physical movement towards the ideal while most other faiths will only encompass one aspect or the other. Regardless of the Bible, regardless of how HIM is viewed on an individual level, regardless of the current state of black issues in the world, if one follows the tenets and teachings of the Rastafari faith and the words of HIM, whether they be black, white or any shade in-between they will reflect the Divinity of Jah and be free men and wombmen. Through this awakening, one will come to see HIM as Divinity, Jah in flesh for providing a way to spiritual AND physical Zion for all humankind, each as their natural selves, living harmoniously, as Jah intended.

If after researching the forum you still have certain questions, then let us begin to reason with humblestanding.

Be blessed, and Jah Guide!
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Ash-Tree on December 29, 2005, 05:13:41 PM
me [smiley=cry.gif]
[smiley=laugh.gif]
you sure bob didnt speak amharic?
jah love Ashley
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Soul-Jah on December 30, 2005, 11:16:43 AM
Greetings
JIN you ask many Questions but first you give your own opinions and assumptions
clear your mind from what you have read or heard, reason with a open heart and the truth will be revealled in true time


Haile Selassie I is the ALMIGHTY
in society we have it drummed into our concious that god lives in the clouds
this is what we hear from teachers,parents,elders,the media, from a early age.
it is integrated into the very fabric of our being, so much so it is very hard to see things through real eyes, this is why many of us reject the truth. the truth being that christ has returned, not to spread the message of peace but to judge, to judge mankind,this is HIS divine right, if you know it, believe it, or like it
is irrelevant, YOU WILL be judged, by your words,actions, and beliefs

Haile Selassie I is not a mean man but is kind generous, and fair, this is why he revealed his self for all to see as a humble man, with great dignity,pride, and honour
he is even inclined to forgive as he has shown us in the way he treated the italian invaders,

so i am saying to one and all on this forum to open up your hearts to his imperial majesty, if you take one step towards him he will take two towards you, i know this through personal experiance,  for many years i used his name while denouncing his divinity, I thought if he truelly is what many believe him to be then why hasnt he said this in his many speeches, the fact is he has, but only too those that have a clear concious and search with real eyes do this and he will be revealled to you but reject him and he will reject you

if ive offended anyone im not going to apologise cos if I did id be id be a liar,
as a representative of HIM i deal with truth and rights, so im not open to reason on this matter it is truth and non debatable

peace and love
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: kinfokedez on January 04, 2006, 12:00:36 AM
jin...

One of the finest qualities Rastafari people possess is HUMBLESTANDING....

its a quality that prohibits us from  marching into someone elses house, and DECLARE THE HOUSEHOLD ILLIGITIMATE IF IT DOES NOT GIVE SATISFACTORY EVIDENCE OF ITS FOUNDATION.

wrong approach

Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Love4All on January 08, 2006, 03:17:36 PM
ARK I your words are wise and truthful
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Ras_Gideon on January 25, 2006, 08:27:04 PM
Ark, InI is truely a wise brother, keep spreading the truth!

jin as to the pionts you made  regarding the Ible being a white man's book, that is true depending on which Ible you read, personally i follow the coptic Ible, that is of the coptic church founded by St Mark (the apostle)merely decades after the death of jesus, fullfilling the words of scripture in Isaiah which related to the gracing of the land in which jesus grew up(egypt)
the coptic church has had nothing to do with the rest of the "communion" since the meeting of chalidon in the 4th century. and as far as the coptic church is concerned Jesus was never white, look at coptic icons. The ethiopian church, of which HIM was and avid member has taken its arch bishop from the pope n eygpt since the foundation of the Ethiopian church, it only became fully independent under HIM.
also remeber as Haile Salasie was a devout christian, Jesus was a devout Jew. the pattern is clear
Jesus never claimed divinity either, it was Pilate who reffered to him as "the king of the jews"
my avice as far as the reading of the scriptures in their original text; for the old testament find a rabbi who is fluent in hebrew, but find in it what you are to find in it, do not listen to the rabbi's interpritation only translation
as for the new testament, speak to the priests of the coptic and greek othodox churchs for they will have the best translations.
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Love4All on February 21, 2006, 06:54:46 AM
ARK, I must say I am becoming quite a fan of yours.  You are a strong and wise person, I love reading your posts. Your words have helped me gain much perspective. What you have said about the Cycle of arguing is very true!
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Mojojojo on February 23, 2006, 05:09:46 AM
as am i, i find your writings very deep and though filled i thank you.
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Ras_Chukwuma on February 26, 2006, 11:17:42 PM
Great post Ark.
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Ganja on April 15, 2006, 04:19:10 PM
I belive that arguing isn't bad till a certain point, cause its a kinda discussion, ya defend ya point of view, argue why ya belive in it, and such things. So right now i am arguing that argument isn't bad untill it turns to violence, it is a natural thing, ya can argue peacefuly and ya can argue agressively, violently, it just depends on ya caracture, which ya can model .

I also dont see much logic and really i think there is no point of this ya statement :
"...I don't like drinking a glass of vinegar just because I know that there is a little honey added to it. I would much rather drink the straight honey, or at the very least a glass full of honey with a little vinegar in it. ....."

have faith.
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: ArkI on April 16, 2006, 04:15:17 AM
Ganja,

I will show you the point of I statement.

Here was that statement in the context that it was relating to:
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This reasoning isn't about one particular person. It is about all. If you think that this doesn't apply to you then that is for you to decide (whether right or wrong). If it does, then hopefully you will learn from it. I don't know everything that was said in the cycle of argument that has erupted on this forum. I started reading but the useless arguments took up too much space and the Useful reasonings were too spread apart and I wasn't in the mood for sifting through arguments.

I don't like drinking a glass of vinegar just because I know that there is a little honey added to it. I would much rather drink the straight honey, or at the very least a glass full of honey with a little vinegar in it.
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This reasoning was a result of some useless fussing and fighting that was going on in I website forum.  I was explaining why I didn't bother reading all the fussing and fighting in the topic.  Most of the words posted in the topic were vileness, insults and vanity, that is the vinegar.  There might have also been some useful reasonings (honey) buried amongst the vileness.  But the insults and vanity was too much and I felt it was vanity to read through pages of foolishness, just for the chance that a small amount of honey was mingled with the wickedness.

And when I said this:
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I would much rather drink the straight honey, or at the very least a glass full of honey with a little vinegar in it.
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I was explaining that I would rather read through pages of useful reasonings.  Or at the very least, pages of useful reasonings with a little bit of arguments and insults here and there.


Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Ganja on April 16, 2006, 06:36:38 AM
I see ya point, and understand where ya goin with it Ark I.

I just ment to say not all arguing is bad, thats all.

Respect ya way of seein things.
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: ArkI on April 17, 2006, 03:12:09 AM
Ganja,

The reason I made that message was because you said,
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I also dont see much logic and really i think there is no point of this ya statement :  
"...I don't like drinking a glass of vinegar just because I know that there is a little honey added to it. I would much rather drink the straight honey, or at the very least a glass full of honey with a little vinegar in it. ....."
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I was explaining the point of it, not responding to what you said about arguing.


In regards to what you said about arguing, it is not necessary to argue, and although all of us argue from time to time, I and I can learn to reason without arguing. When RasTafarI people speak, I and I call it Reasoning, because I and I are not debating, but Reasoning when we speak, and also I and I speak with a reason and purpose.  Here is a reasoning I made before about reasoning.

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This is a post I made on I own forum a short time ago about how I sight reasoning.  Sometimes I may stray from reasoning, but I try my best to keep I discussions in this way.

Reasoning is about speaking with a reason to speak.

Reasoning is also about speaking as One mind.

People usually debate instead of reasoning. I have seen this on so many forums, and I have seen it among people around I. I will explain what I see as debating. And then I will explain what I see as reasoning, and how it differs from debating.

When two people "debate", they each are trying to defend an opinion against the other. So one person only speaks about the good parts about their opinion, and never brings up the bad or the weak parts. The other person does the same thing about their opinion. Both are trying to "prove" that what they say is "right".

I remember in school, when they would hold debates, they would tell one person to defend the opinion given to them, and the other to defend the opinion given to them. They were encouraged to debate this opinion whether they agreed with it or not, it was just assigned to them.

This exercise in school helps people become better at debating, but doesn't help them come closer to the truth. It actually helps people get farther from the truth, because they are training theirself to only see the good parts of their opinion, and if they see any bad parts, they are encouraged to develop an argument to discount this criticism of their opinion, by hiding it in a maze of words, filled with snares. This maze can even hide these things from our own self, letting us believe a falsehood that we have already seen as false, making us fall in our own pit, and getting us caught in our own trap.

Reasoning is not debating, it is very different. If you are thinking through an issue in your own mind, where there are two possible choices and you need to decide which is the right choice. You don't debate against yourself to come to the truth, you REASON in your head. You weigh the good and bad of both choices and compare the weights to decide what choice you should make.

When I and I reason, I and I need to reason as One, or as close to One as I and I can be at the time. So that all people who are reasoning work as One mind, to come closer to the truth. When I and I reason like this, then we will not waste time trying to find ways to defend our opinions, but I and I will spend this time looking at our opinions, and if I and I see a strength and truth about the opinion, then I and I can speak it, and if I and I see a weakness, then I and I can speak it.

This will lead to truth, and it will lead to Inity and Oneness.

Come we go Reason now


http://forums.rasta-man.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=news;action=display;num=1074196474;start=0#0
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Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: EmpressCarla on April 17, 2006, 03:30:45 AM
Blessings

Give thanks for posting the difference between reasoning and debating, Ark I. I had not looked at it from that perspective.

Be blessed.
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Queen_dread on April 30, 2006, 06:59:56 PM
If you were in africa  i iwlli call you WISE MAN  lets talk and walk the talk
jah bless
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Bro.SimeonTafari on May 22, 2006, 09:46:29 AM
greetings of Love
Rastafari

Tenastalign!

give thanks for the love and the forum to reason over the cycle of negativity caused by arguements. Peace will reign in all I days and all I prayers.
Igzhbier Yim masgan!

As to Jin the guest who contributed a series of queries God Bless . I hope that I can help in anyway. I am learning Amharic and have many teachers both Rastafarian and Non who I regularly reason with. I am teaching English in Ethiopia National School in Debre Zeyit. Nearby Is a restaurant which is owned by an Ethiopian who was The Marley Family Amharic teacher and spent many years together with the family.
I hope this will add some help to your understanding of what certain people do in order to rasie awareness of HIM and The teachings of Rastafari and Christian Livity.
It is always useful to challenge ourselves in all we do.
I am a Bible student first and foremost and try in my life to learn and develop my livity to resemeble The life of His Majesty and Christ Jesus.
I use a schofield study Bible and a metaphysical Bible Dictionary as well as having several good dictionaries of language available.
I find Intellectual discourse part of the requirement the "flesh life" requires until salvation. I have managed to make my own lifestyle such that self sufficiency is achieved and from there i can extend help to others and the needy.
I spend more of my time in the spiritual livity and praying. Giving Thanks for All we have and have not.
I am aware of a lot of people having cocnerns over why some people do this and not all. All i can really say is that Each One Teach One.
I also ask the question to those who see Rastafari as "Ganja" and "rebels with
natty dreadlocks"  Did you ever see His Majesty Smoking?
I think not although I would Love to see any documentation to show otherwise.
All I can think Is Love is The greatest gift we can give, recieve and share so LET JAH LOVE shine bright!
Peace and Love
Igzahbier Yim mas Gan!
Glory Be to Words Sounds And Power
Bro. Simeon Tafari
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: BlackBeauty on August 22, 2006, 10:36:56 AM
Greetings

Ark I, I appreciate your words, you don't get nothing positive from arguing. Do you think this is because we each think we are right and that we want the other to accept that? I think Nick should put this in as part of the forum rules [smiley=wink.gif].

When you was talking about school debates I remember when I was studying Religous Education. When we had our debates we had to balance the argument out. We couldn't say I'm right and your wrong. So if I made a point in my own defence I had to make a point in seeing the other side of the debate. There's no ying without yang.

I also see where you are coming from with wasting energy on fooliness in the forum. After reading a offensive post I found comfort in your words and realised that there are more important things to reason about. Half the time I read posts because I am still learning, I will question later. Thank you all the same.

Jah Bless
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: rasfreeform on November 20, 2006, 10:23:31 AM
Greetings Jin
                   In response to your questioning of the divinity Haile Sellassie I, hear me on this: look at a picture of Haile Sellassie I. What do you see in His face? In The Bible it is written that God made man in His own image. Yet the image of humankind, over the globe, is always changing. When I look at His face, I see features reminisent of all the different tribes on the planet. And I mean ALL. I've never seen another face with that quality. Have you? Regarding your comments on The Bible, there's much reasoning that could take place regarding the authenticity of it, considering that there are different versions available, but I'm reminded of a documentary that aired some months back on channel 4, called Who wrote The Bible?. The presenter  opened with lots of questions, and also found some answers. Crucially though, at the end of the programme, he still had questions and summed up with one sentence- 'Either you believe it, or you don't'. I Belieive what I believe, I find wisdom from many different sources. It may be theat you don't feel things the same way. But that doesn't take away anything from the credibility of what I beleive.
peace and blessings.
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on February 28, 2007, 04:50:18 AM
Greeting Blessed Jah people,
I am wondering where all the Ital souls mentioned in this thread have gone.
I hope I have done nothing to offend.
I was afraid that being a White Rasta wombman as some might label I would cause some ripples, but its is unconscious of I, but I love of Rasta brought I here.
Please if I offend with I presence, could the I Raspect I enuff to tek it up wid I?
I know I come on strong sometimes, is the Lioness in I .
Like I tell I brother, I love you enuff to tell you the truth.

But compassion I try always deliver, so cause you hurt will neva be I intention and if I am clumsy enuff coz of ignorance, can Blessed Idren love I enuff to let I know?
Blessings and One Love
Nya
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Ras_Nevoe on March 01, 2007, 07:15:05 PM
Ark I, give thanks bredren for the info it was very useful for I in all InI relationships, I've learned to agree to disagree.    To the I this is only some words you wrote, to InI it put most of I personal relations in proper perspective, THANX AGAIN!


Quote from: NyaInIJahLove link=topic=2379.    msg57103#msg57103 date=1172638218
Greeting Blessed Jah people,
I am wondering where all the Ital souls mentioned in this thread have gone.   
I hope I have done nothing to offend.   
I was afraid that being a White Rasta wombman as some might label I would cause some ripples, but its is unconscious of I, but I love of Rasta brought I here.   
Please if I offend with I presence, could the I Raspect I enuff to tek it up wid I?
I know I come on strong sometimes, is the Lioness in I .   
Like I tell I brother, I love you enuff to tell you the truth.   

But compassion I try always deliver, so cause you hurt will neva be I intention and if I am clumsy enuff coz of ignorance, can Blessed Idren love I enuff to let I know?
Blessings and One Love
Nya

What do you mean when you say "White Rasta Wombman"?

and

What does it mean to be white?

Sistren I do not mean to offend the I so don't be defensive in your response.     InI would just like reason instead or argue in the spirit of this thread.     you stated that the I want to reason with an Ital Soul and I believe I fit that description.   

"come mek we go reason now"
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on March 01, 2007, 10:28:46 PM
Greetings Ras,
  Well it was a reaction to some of the things posted on the board bout "sons and dawtas of the oppressors" and tings like dat, Bred.
I was feeling sensitive that a lot of the folk who were coming here when I joined this forum stopped posting shortly after I arrived and I wondered if I had upset them, maybe it is I anglo-europeanness, which I don't really identify with as "my" culture, or I feminine perspective as an empowered wombman, having birthed and raising 7 youth with I Blessed supportive Kingman,Radic-Al.
I want to relate on this forum simply as another Rasta, and not as "white" but the colour prejudice seems to be an issue with some,overstandably really, but perhaps not appropriate when addressing Ras,coz many of we RAs continue to strive to overcome such divisivenesses,as One multi-shaded Body of Loving Truth.
Bless up Bred
I hope this clarifies tings
can the I overstand where I am coming from?
Nya

Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: sistahvee on March 01, 2007, 11:36:05 PM
BLESS UP NYA

From one very Rasta, Rastawombman, InI am blessed to have bumped into the I's pressence here at Nick's.  To not have been able to engage with the I would have been a blessing missed in InI's life.  Colour in this case is NONE BUT A WORD.  A word of NO significance at that.  Keep on Loving Jah and sharing that Love in the Rasta Movement.

Nuff Love

Sistah Vee
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Ras_Nevoe on March 02, 2007, 04:05:49 AM
Quote from: NyaInIJahLove link=topic=2379.  msg57178#msg57178 date=1172788126
I want to relate on this forum simply as another Rasta, and not as "white" but the colour prejudice seems to be an issue with some,overstandably really, but perhaps not appropriate when addressing Ras,coz many of we RAs continue to strive to overcome such divisivenesses,as One multi-shaded Body of Loving Truth. 


InI Iverstand what the I is saying, and although InI agree with that sentiment, I would be deceiving the I if I said that the idea of a "white" rastafarian doesn't make me uncomfortable.   Allow me to explain why.  

I am a student of the Counter_Racism Project which is a Code/ Concept/ System for victims of racism (VOR) white supremacy.    InI have interviewed and reasoned with many "white" people, and InI has learned that the primary tools of Racism (white supremacy) is deceit and the manipulation of words to control non-white people.   When a person refers to themself as "white" we are taught that, that person is automatically a "racist suspect".   

In my last reply I asked: "what does it mean to be white"?
you addressed that question with the above quote, but InI was looking for something more precise, so I will assume that the I is referring to the pigment of the I's skin.   

InI has come to the Iverstanding that there is no such thing as "white people" and no such thing as "black people".    Meditate on this analogy, if the I open a box of crayon and ask me to choose the crayon that is the closest to InI skin tone, InI would choose, dark-brown.    If InI was asked to choose a crayon from that same box that is closest to the complexion of  InI first-born son, InI would choose light-brown.    If InI was asked to choose a crayon closest to the pigment of InI Empress(wife).    InI would choose yellow.    So you see sistren InI is not black and neither is I family InI just Afrikan, but InI walk around with that label "black".   

InI Iverstand that a "white person" is not a person who is WHITE in complexion(that would make the I transparent).    InI Iverstand that a "white person" is a person who possess these 3 characteristics: (1) classifies him/herself as white (2) is considered white by other people who are classified as white (3) Functions as a "white person" in the nine main areas of people activity, including,{ Economics, Education, Entertainment, Labor, Law, Politics, Religion, Sex and War.   }

So as you can see sistren White-ness and  black-ness has nothing to do with skin tone and pigmentation, and everything to do with socio-economic status.    InI have family members of Irish descent who are considered NEGRO, even though their complexion is no different than any person of European descent With that said I would like to complete the 360 turn and come back to my original question to you.   


"What does it mean to be white?"


PEACE, LOVE & RASPECT






Quote from: Ras_Nevoe link=topic=2379. msg57198#msg57198 date=1172807104


InI Iverstand what the I is saying, and although InI agree with that sentiment, I would be deceiving the I if I said that the idea of a "white" rastafarian doesn't make I uncomfortable.   Allow me to explain why.  

I am a student of the Counter_Racism Project which is a Code/ Concept/ System for victims of racism (VOR) white supremacy.   InI have interviewed and reasoned with many "white" people, and InI has learned that the primary tools of Racism (white supremacy) is deceit and the manipulation of words to control non-white people.  When a person refers to themself as "white" we are taught that, that person is automatically a "racist suspect". 

In my last reply I asked: "what does it mean to be white"?
you addressed that question with the above quote, but InI was looking for something more precise, so I will assume that the I is referring to the pigment of the I's skin. 

InI has come to the Iverstanding that there is no such thing as "white people" and no such thing as "black people".   Meditate on this analogy, if the I open a box of crayon and ask me to choose the crayon that is the closest to InI skin tone, InI would choose, dark-brown.   If InI was asked to choose a crayon from that same box that is closest to the complexion of  InI first-born son, InI would choose light-brown.   If InI was asked to choose a crayon closest to the pigment of InI Empress(wife).   InI would choose yellow.   So you see sistren InI is not black and neither is I family InI just Afrikan, but InI walk around with that label "black".  

InI Iverstand that a "white person" is not a person who is WHITE in complexion(that would make the I transparent).   InI Iverstand that a "white person" is a person who possess these 3 characteristics: (1) classifies him/herself as white (2) is considered white by other people who are classified as white (3) Functions as a "white person" in the nine main areas of people activity, including,{ Economics, Education, Entertainment, Labor, Law, Politics, Religion, Sex and War.  }

So as you can see sistren White-ness and  black-ness has nothing to do with skin tone and pigmentation, and everything to do with socio-economic status.   InI have family members of Irish descent who are considered NEGRO, even though their complexion is no different than any person of European descent With that said I would like to complete the 360 turn and come back to my original question to you.  


"What does it mean to be white?"


PEACE, LOVE & RASPECT




Posted on: March 02, 2007, 03:50:27 am
disregard the reply above ^^^^^^^^^^

please bare with I. . . . . . . InI like to reason with logic on race matters.  If at any point you feel uncomfortable, or want to stop this reasoning you're free to do so.  I say this because people who classify themselves as white sometimes become self conscious and defensive when confronted with race issues, and it makes reasoning impossible(I speak from YEARS of experience).  I want you to be as comfortable as possible, that way we can get a deeper overstanding of this whole race thing.  We can't just sweep it under the rug and pray to Jah it will disappear, neglect will only add fuel to the uncontrollable flames.
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: RAS_CHUCKY11 on March 02, 2007, 07:45:19 PM
Greetings

Upon the reason of race..I an I want all the I them to overstand that before race was used to divide us..race meant generation..example... my children,my parents and grand parents and so on is my race..they are my race ..... babylon looked for the most obvious difference  between us and used it to separate us and put the darkest skin ones at the bottom as they were the majority and the first....the fact is that in the end we are all AFRICANS as we can all trace our lineage back to AFRICA regardless of skin colour or race

Blessed
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Ras_Nevoe on March 03, 2007, 04:19:42 AM
Quote from: RAS CHUCKY link=topic=2379. msg57228#msg57228 date=1172864719
Greetings

Upon the reason of race. . I an I want all the I them to overstand that before race was used to divide us. . race meant generation. . example. . .  my children,my parents and grand parents and so on is my race. . they are my race . . . . .  babylon looked for the most obvious difference  between us and used it to separate us and put the darkest skin ones at the bottom as they were the majority and the first. . . . the fact is that in the end we are all AFRICANS as we can all trace our lineage back to AFRICA regardless of skin colour or race

Blessed

Yes I, InI don't really agree with the I on some points, but InI raspect the I's opinion.  Besides, whether InI agree is irrelevant because the conversation left off with a question that hasn't been answered yet, as a matter-of-fact it has never been answered on any forums, by a person who is classified as "white". 

InI gwine ask one more time. 

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"What does it mean to be white?"


PEACE, LOVE & RASPECT


RAS CHUCKY, are you a person that is classified as "white".  I assume you're not white, from your previous posts.  If you are non-white can you answer this question. 

Can you, a non-white person, classify youself as white if you chose to do so?

If not.  Why?


PEACE!







Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: RAS_CHUCKY11 on March 03, 2007, 06:10:10 AM
Greetings Ras Neveo

I an I's statement wasnt against your statement but was in agreement with your statement and just adding to it as to how this race classifications came about in the first place...I an I know I cant be white even if I an I wanted to ...but colour is not important and until the world becomes colour blind their will be no peace

Blessed
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Ras_Nevoe on March 03, 2007, 06:28:50 PM
Quote from: RAS CHUCKY link=topic=2379. msg57251#msg57251 date=1172902210
Greetings Ras Neveo

I an I's statement wasnt against your statement but was in agreement with your statement and just adding to it as to how this race classifications came about in the first place. . . I an I know I cant be white even if I an I wanted to . . . but colour is not important and until the world becomes colour blind their will be no peace

Blessed

InI knows that the I Iverstand that the I can never be classified as white, by people who classify themselves as white.  The point is to follow the logic.  InI can't follow the logic if people who are classified as white bails out of the kitchen when the "racial pot" get too hot.  the sistren, NYA stated:

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Greeting Blessed Jah people,
I am wondering where all the Ital souls mentioned in this thread have gone.
I hope I have done nothing to offend.
I was afraid that being a White Rasta wombman as some might label I would cause some ripples, but its is unconscious of I, but I love of Rasta brought I here.

She was basically trying to reason with those I's and they bailed, but she is doing the same thing that she condemned the I's for doing, which is bailing on a reasoning.  Nya, sistren yo really no haffi do it that way, because InI already stated that

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please bare with I.  .  .  .  .  .  .  InI like to reason with logic on race matters.   If at any point you feel uncomfortable, or want to stop this reasoning you're free to do so.   I say this because people who classify themselves as white sometimes become self conscious and defensive when confronted with race issues, and it makes reasoning impossible(I speak from YEARS of experience).   I want you to be as comfortable as possible, that way we can get a deeper overstanding of this whole race thing.   We can't just sweep it under the rug and pray to Jah it will disappear, neglect will only add fuel to the uncontrollable flames. 

. . . . . . . So there's no need to avoid InI.  Unless of course InI blackness offends the I

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but colour is not important and until the world becomes colour blind their will be no peace

Blessed

Yes I InI agree 1,000,000% but do you agree or disagree that colour  would never be an issue to non-white people if they were no people on earth who classified themselves as white.  If the I agree with I, then it is logical to say that race will always be IMPORTANT until the destruction of WHITE SUPREMACY.


P. S.  Nya, sistren I hate to say it but I lost all credibility in the I.  What happened to that lioness that wasn't afraid to speak her mind?

LOL. . . . can't say i'm surprised.


PEACE!


Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: RAS_CHUCKY11 on March 03, 2007, 06:38:35 PM
Greetings

I an I fuly overstand what the I saying..The I saying since as this race differencial thing was started by them  (white supremacy) putting themselves on top..it should end with them..maybe in more words but.......

Bless
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Ras_Nevoe on March 03, 2007, 09:28:54 PM
Quote from: RAS CHUCKY link=topic=2379. msg57269#msg57269 date=1172947115
Greetings

I an I fuly overstand what the I saying. . The I saying since as this race differencial thing was started by them  (white supremacy) putting themselves on top. . it should end with them. . maybe in more words but. . . . . . .

Bless

^^^^yes I, InI love that^^^^ yo have the basic concept, short and to the point.  InI also believe that if one is going to become ras, it is a contradiction to continue to classify the I's self as "white".  To be considered white, is to the reap the benefits that comes with that racial status, "white", we refer to it as "White Priviledge".  Now since Rastafari is all about one-ness, and since White-ness and white supremacy is about separate-ness(segregation), is it not fair to say that: A man or wombman can not fuction as a Rastafarian and a "white" person at the same time, otherwise they would be a walking-talking contradiction.  Now InI is only human just like the I's so InI can be wrong, but from I vantage point, "ah so di sittin' set.  Yo si mi?"

Peace!

Ras Nevoe
Da Prophet
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: RAS_CHUCKY11 on March 03, 2007, 09:33:41 PM
Yes Isis!

Loud and clear.. I an I fully agree and I an I think the empress will agree as well .... we cant classify ourselves as white/black or whatever.... with oneness one must become colour blind and no longer classify under a colour/race but the human race

Bless
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Ras_Nevoe on March 03, 2007, 09:49:13 PM
Quote from: RAS CHUCKY link=topic=2379. msg57228#msg57228 date=1172864719
Greetings

Upon the reason of race. . I an I want all the I them to overstand that before race was used to divide us. . race meant generation. . example. . .  my children,my parents and grand parents and so on is my race. . they are my race . . . . . 

Blessed

LOL. . . . . . .  InI finally overstand what the I is saying, and InI agree fully. . . . . . . . . . Just goes to show what too much babylon education and not enough rasta/Afrikan "edifition", can do to the human brain. 

let InI be an example to the I's, don't "educate yourself", "edify I-self". . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  LOL
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: RAS_CHUCKY11 on March 03, 2007, 09:52:08 PM
 ;D  Seen I
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: sistahvee on March 04, 2007, 03:36:25 PM
Bless Up Family

How InI enjoyed taken in this reasoning.  REASONING NICE..

Nuff Love

Sistah Vee
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: RAS_CHUCKY11 on March 04, 2007, 05:54:20 PM
Greetings

I an I always sau reasoning bring foward teachings,learnings and mind refreshings...more time I an I even learn from Iself from what I an I say at times as words of wisdom just spit from I's mouth when JAH brighten his light within I an I

Bless
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on March 14, 2007, 09:04:08 AM
Blessings Idren,
I am so sorry bout neglecting to come back to this post. It was an unintentional thing. somehow I missed checking this thread. Due to I large family, and competition for limited pcs,and pc is in sons room I sometimes miss things and kind of forget to get back for awhile.
It was neva a case of being too gutless to respond. All your distrust in I Ancestors and those who classify demselves as WHITE is well grounded so mi Bred Ras Nevoe, I overstand where the I coming from.
I simply tell the truth about I bloodline because it has come up time and time again here, this racist stuff.
My whiteness is something I am not proud of, I abhor the "white supremisus" ways, I abhor the arrogance and ego/control type mentality that many some ppl adhere to, but I do not think I am a racist, I simply wanted to confront rasicm by saying yes my skin is pale, my Parents hail from England but I am putting Iself here, making I self vunerable by admiting I hail from the Pale side of skin but I am Ras thru and thru.
I feel more at home with many deeper skin Idren,that with most Pale skins, dem who call demselves Ras or not.
In fact just today, I was walking home from a hospital,somewhere I VERY ralely trod,all I babies were born  at home and raised naturally, coz I cut I finger badly, and I want to be able to play music, when a beautiful Aboriginal Elder Woman,come out from the park to give I one of the most Lovefilled hugs I eva experienced, and procede to intoduce her brother,who was down from the Cape, wayyyy up north,he had a very strong accent but I overstand everything fromI heart, The love coming from this man and his sister was so deep and pure,so humble and generous I nearly cry when I leave dem.
Those are MY People,we share same Country,the same Love,same humble nature, they are more I Idren than all the white ppl who look down at I cuz of I dreadlocks,or bare feet,I colourful clothes, many children and I obvious lack of material status.
They would take I in and share everyting with I family and I do the same,in fact they are I family coz we adopt each other, that is the "Black" way here. I Black family show I more Love than most of I white family,if we gonna talk race.
And you know,it ironic,coz I do not usually see colour,other than that distinction I have mentioned,which is a cultural thing more than superficial skin deep appearance, but since I have been posting here,it is like I forced to deal with the prejudice, even tho,one would hope that as we All Love Rasta and live Rasta love, we would be above this silly colour prejudice.
So In I forthright manner,I confront the issue head on, in an effort to clear the air, and purge the site of this illusion COZ I n I ARE MORE RASTA THAN WHITE, MORE RAINBOW THAN PALE and LOVE the DEEP LOVE OF TRIBAL PEOPLE, they (media, anthropologists, and such) call we "Feral",or Gubbarigines, or Rainbow warriors here,not many even know of Rasta here,most too caught up in their own "whiteness" it seems,One Love all the same.
Blessings, and I apologize fe tardyness of post
Nya       
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: BabaFats on March 19, 2007, 10:41:24 PM
Bless Up Idren.

InI haf been hearing a lot of talk on de forum about de colour  of I skin jus being a word.  While InI agree whole heartedly dat de colour of I skin nah make I,  Do de black rasta wish to jus forget their past oppression?  I nah mean any offense in I ignorance.
Please reason wit I and help I to overstand

Jah Bless friends

Evan
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: joanna on March 21, 2007, 01:22:26 PM
Greetings,
 i don't subscribe to this colour blind business, personally. if i were not white, i would not be who i am, the world would not have shaped me as it did, and i would not have the same overstanding as i do now. the same goes for everyone of every race, colour religion, or whatever makes us all unique. i feel no need to embrace speech patterns not natural to my tongue,apart from the odd word i feel is more fitting, i dress in a way i feel represents my personality. i am white, i am British, and i am Ras.  the three are intertwined, tangled up in such a knot that i cant see where each thread begins or ends. i am no more one than another. a trinity, if you like!!
  i choose to celebrate how the Almighty decided i should be born, who my parents were, what they taught me, and my take on life, as directed by all of this. i love my red hair, creamy skin and my green eyes, because it's what Jah blessed me with, just as i love my babies honeyed skin and loose curls (well, before they had dread), and the same way i love my beautiful strong black Kingman, for all that he is, and all that he is capable of being.
i love or feel estranged towards people for what they represent, not because they belong to any specific group. but that does not mean i don't notice what group they belong to or think it not relevant. of course it is.
we use colour as a way to define ourselves, and that should not be forgotten or denied until we are all stripped of our cultural differences and homogenized till there is no variant left. instead, we should celebrate our diversity, use it as an opportunity to learn,to teach,to attempt to rectify past mistakes, and to work towards a future where we are all different, but equal in our differences.
Be Blessed,
Jo x
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: RasLuke on March 21, 2007, 02:22:35 PM
Greetings,
It seems that race will always unfortunately be a topic of discussion everywhere in life, InI will rejoice when the Kings words come true and all this talk has being discredited and abandoned from our vocabulary.  Yes InI Rasta but I also Irish, something InI am proud to be.
JAH Bless
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: NattyRasBredren on March 28, 2007, 01:34:06 PM
I skin is only that which is observed by the false prophet. I is only white while the black supremisist is trodding on dis eart.

Until the I lay down the weapon and build the tool, the I will always kill the I.

When you overstand Man or Woman and not black or white, purple or brown, you overstanding how tings are. When man Raspect man and woman Raspect woman, then we begin to overstand. The cycle of arguing continues while Rastaman see the colour of skin and not the genitalia of man and woman. Man should Raspect woman, woman should Raspect man and any colour in between should be forgotten.

When Rastaman overstands who he is and Rastawoman overstands who she is, then Rasta can go to work. Rasta is all powerful, but man and woman need to agree. Africa Unite! While white and black deny one another and allow diversity, like Babylon (USE and USA) then they continue the cycle of arguing! How good and pleasant it would be, before God and man, to see the unification of all Rastaman! Dis be what Rasta speak up! No more Babylon, no more susu, no more wondering. The time for preaching and talking is done! Rastaman, live up!

One Love! Raspect!
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: joanna on April 04, 2007, 03:21:16 AM
Greetings,
are you suggesting we should deny the Black(Womb)Man the right to have pride and joy in his Blackness? or anyone else for that matter, the right to be joyful in the nature of their own creation as Jah intended? this, is not a personal attack, by the way, merely a question.
the whole reason for RasTafari is to Forward the Black man in society, to put an end to the disgraceful treatment of the African as a beast of burden. we CANNOT forget slavery, we CANNOT forget how a nation was ripped apart, their lives, history, pride, their names,their right to choose who fathered their children, the very nature of their being, raped, plundered and irrecoverably destroyed, never to be regained in its fullness. how can we, as white people, talk about colour doesn't matter, when we don't overstand how it feels to have your soul ripped out, your identity stolen? we are the fortunate ones, and it's all so very easy for us to talk about one love cos we have nothing that compares to that. yes, there has been genocide in Europe,and i'm not denying the evilness of that in any way, but can anyone tell me that they were forcibly denied the names of their forefathers, or where they came from originally as a result?
yes, we SHOULD all love each other as brothers, but the reality is, until we have done enough to show the Black man that we can be trusted, until we can prove we see him as equal, until we can stop raping Africa and poisoning her soil and her rivers, enslaving her people through debt, political intervention and colonialism, i don't think we hold much hope of that happening.
banging on about all being loving happy rainbow people doesn't solve anything, unless we actually get our hands dirty to effect change. it's all very well sitting behind a laptop talking about one love while another 6 babies die of starvation or disease. we have blood on our hands, like it or not, by the actions of our forefathers. we MUST acknowledge that fact before we can begin the healing process.
blessings, jo x

Posted on: April 04, 2007, 02:04:15 am
sistren Nya,
just reading back i noticed you used the word "rainbow", too. i did not intend my use of the word as a slight against your post, i merely had an image of an old beatles film in my head as i wrote,and the song "give peace a chance" and thats why i used it. i found your post moving and beautiful, as it happens, and though i see things a little differently where colourblindness is concerned, i would never want you to feel i was  being disrespectful or superior, as that was not my intention .i can see where i may have appeared to be inflammatory..
or maybe i've just smoked too much, and paranoia has set in, lol! either way, sorry if i sounded harsh.

blessings, jo x
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on April 04, 2007, 03:39:15 AM
No problem Sistren!
I hafe say I agree with every sentiment the I post here!
you tell it true sis!
Nuff REALITY CHECK hafe happen, non a dis gwan bury we head in da sand!
TRUTH and RIGHTS everytime (in I dreams anyway)
nuff times I cry and wail at de plight of I beautiful black people in dis here country
its a disgrace and I shamed at I same colour Idren for looking the other way while comfortable in dem suburbia home with the big pool, or worse dem comment how wretched is tha Black people.
Is a heartbreaking ting and we hafe say only ting really give I hope fe da change is RASTA
for BLACK PRIDE must be a reality to bring I Indigine outa Babylon Hell on earth and into the LIGHT of CREATION
Ya can only trample a people down n steal their land, their children, their labour and will and decimate and prohibit language and culture fe so long before they start believing they really are lesser and give up hope of a life of dignity and self Raspect and positive cultural identity
BIG uP Rasta and BLACK PRIDE everytime!
Love and Guidance
Nya
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: amclean on April 12, 2007, 12:00:32 PM
Greetings Ark I.

I myself have just become a new member to the forum and after reading your views on the cycle of understanding I felt that I could relate to all of what you said.  The art of reasoning is not an element that you find amongst a majority.  But those who possess the art of reasoning should continue in their paths, and hopefully others adopt an over-standing and start to practice this art.

Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Ras_Nevoe on April 28, 2007, 03:30:31 AM
Greetings Ark I.

I myself have just become a new member to the forum and after reading your views on the cycle of understanding I felt that I could relate to all of what you said.  The art of reasoning is not an element that you find amongst a majority.  But those who possess the art of reasoning should continue in their paths, and hopefully others adopt an over-standing and start to practice this art.



^^I Agree
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Erik D on November 12, 2007, 07:32:34 PM
Yes Brother ARK I... arguing destroys souls, while reasoning builds them up.

As Selassie I/Christ said in Holy Scripture: 

"Come, let us reason together."

Me must make a committment to reasoning with postive mental and emotional intent, and avoid arguing with negative intent.

Some people in this world will use the illusion of discussion to just throw lots of negative energy at other people, while pretending that the conversation is about the issue at hand.
 
I've met many people like that in the world, and now I avoid them like the plague, because my nature is to not back down from anyone, and getting lured into a destructive exchange with them will just destroy my state of mind, my speech, my thoughts, then my actions, and then my soul.

That is how Satan destroys us Hueman Beings... by luring us into evil minded exchanges of energy disguised as conversation.

Be on guard my Brethren and Sistren against falling into such traps, and be conscious that you do not set such traps for others.  Anyone who sets a trap for the soul of another will be ensnared in their own trap and then punished, so don't argue with them... let Jah argue with them, and they will certainly lose and suffer from their own wrongdoing.

Avoid setting and stepping into destructive snares, and your life will be blessed indeed.

Selah
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: youthofwisdom on February 04, 2008, 10:33:32 PM
 InI read and overstand the bredda ark lecture.  As a young lion InI was taught to bow my ears to the wise, and only the upright.  It's a blessing that the topic arrived in such time.  Jah has a way of showing the people truth.  Stand proud erect.  Bleesings and wisdom. 
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: natty threads on February 05, 2008, 01:20:07 AM


As Selassie I/Christ said in Holy Scripture: 

"Come, let us reason together."


So Erik, Selassie is Christ/Melchizedek?

Thank-you,
God bless.
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: 08bmurphy on February 05, 2008, 04:09:53 AM
So,   rastafari believes that at the least Selassie was the equivalent of a bodhisattva?   Is this correct.  Patience, for I still learnin

 
 Blessings,

 Brian
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: prophet777 on February 15, 2008, 10:22:07 PM
There is no cycle of arguing pon here but, a cycle of hate. Hate...for what is the truth. What is truth ? Well, first you got to be able to have feelings and then you will feel it and, eventually get to know it. Truth is not what you can twist or can control. Truth stands and speaks for itself.

There are many that will fight it down but, no one can ever succeed against the truth.

prophet7
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: I ELIJAH I on February 15, 2008, 11:31:16 PM
I agree with Prophet. There is a "cycle" of hate not just on this website but within the whole so called Rastafari nation. It stems from resentment, bigotry, and vanity. There is also alot of egoism manifesting as anger, and scapegoating.  I and I feel no way because I and I know sey dat Ivreeting must run its course so dat only the fittest of the fittest survive. Must come fiyah to seperate chaff from wheat. Just know where you stand.       
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: UKBlaza on November 10, 2008, 09:00:41 AM
Well said ARK I,

I argue when I think the other person is wrong. I become the judge and seek to confiscate the next mans opinion, which causes the arms house. Someones opinion is the same as their spirituality, it can change but it is down to that man to change it because it's personal to them, it can't be argued about, only discussed. I now know that what is right for one man can be wrong for the next man, so I can always be wrong. I know I can't control anyone but myself and that opinions are the sole property of the opinionator. Arguing just causes sufferization. I ain't no saint, however, and still get sucked in by the vortex of ego-driven anger from time to time. It is a place I used to actually feel comfortable visiting, so I went there a lot, but today, give thanks, I would rather try to be humble and stay out of it. This site is a good place to visit in the morning for me, I read the reasoning and it helps me set up my day! Respect due. I know I won't ramp with no one today.

peace love
JahGuide
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: caroline on November 11, 2008, 10:30:02 AM
i will not stick to the topic of arguing on this website- i will extend it to daily life.

i normally don't argue, as i try to avoid confrontation in my daily life.
i like to discuss and defend my opinions when my partners in discussion are respectful and the whole thing is constructive. if it is about showing who is shouting the most, i am not interested. As said before, arguing is linked to right or wrong, judgement, ego...

however, what do you do when the person in front of you seeks confrontation?

i have an example in mind -linked to my job, again- (when you are fed up with it let me know!).
Every now and then, i have pupils who decide it is ok to put their feet on the table.
I normally ask them to put them down. they say "no". i repeat "put them down please", they repeat "no".
So i leave it, basically because i do not know what else i should do. after a while they end up putting their feet down anyway...
This posture is not acceptable in my classroom, in my opinion, therefore, i kindly ask, but they do not cooperate and clearly want to check how far i will get. Will i shout and sanction and give them something to cling to and moan about? Will i just ignore it?

i ignore it to avoid the confrontation, but at the same time, i can't help feeling i am submitting, and do not feel comfortable about it.

What do you think? what would your reaction be?

Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: erik d. on February 02, 2009, 11:58:01 PM
Quote from: natty threads link=topic=2379. msg68487#msg68487 date=1202174407
So Erik, Selassie is Christ/Melchizedek?

I've heard that Emperor Selassie I is the reincarnation of Melchizedek.

The Emperor made a great nation out of Bob Marley, just as Melchizedek made a great nation out of Abram, so the parallels are consistent.
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: natty threads on February 14, 2009, 10:20:58 PM
I've heard that Emperor Selassie I is the reincarnation of Melchizedek.

The Emperor made a great nation out of Bob Marley, just as Melchizedek made a great nation out of Abram, so the parallels are consistent.

What about Melchizedek in Hebrews?

The Melchizedek in Genesis is a mystery, who he is and where he is from.

He may well be He, which would be the only way Melchizedek makes a great nation out of Abram, as YHWH said quite clearly that He would.

I think Melchizedek is a celestial model.

More maybe?

Thank-you erik.

Bless up.

Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: moses on February 15, 2009, 12:08:18 PM
Greetings!

From the book of Aquarian Age Gospel Of Jesus the Christ...

CHAPTER 76

Jesus in Bethlehem. Explains the Empire of Peace to the shepherds. An unusual light appears. The shepherds recognise Jesus as the Christ.

THE Logos went to Bethlehem, and many people followed him. 2 He found the shepherd's home where he was cradled when a babe; here he abode. 3 He went up to the hills where more than thirty years before the shepherds watched their flocks and heard the messenger of peace exclaim: 4 At midnight in a cave in Bethlehem the Prince of Peace is born. 5 And shepherds still were there, and sheep still fed upon the hills. 6 And in the valley near great flocks of snow-white doves were flying to and fro. 7 And when the shepherds knew that Jesus, whom the people called the king, had come, they came from near and far to speak to him. 8 And Jesus said to them, Behold the life of innocence and peace! 9 White is the symbol of the virtuous and pure! the lamb of innocence; the dove of peace; 10 And it was meet that love should come in human form amid such scenes as these. 11 Our father Abraham walked through these vales, and on these very hills he watched his flocks and herds. 12 And here it was that one, the Prince of Peace, the king of Salim, came; the Christ in human form; a greater far than Abraham was he. 13 And here it was that Abraham gave to this king of Salim, tithes of all he had. 14 This Prince of Peace went forth in battle everywhere. He had no sword; no armour of defence; no weoapons of offence; 15 And yet he conquered men, and nations trembled at his feet. 16 The hosts of Egypt quailed before this sturdy king of right; the kings of Egypt placed their crowns upon his head, 17 And gave into his hands the sceptre of all Egypt land, and not a drop of blood was shed, and not a captive placed in chains; 18 But everywhere the conqueror threw wide the prison doors and set the captives free. 19 And, once again, the Prince of Peace has come, and from these blesed hills he goes again to fight. 20 And he is clothed in white; his sword is truth, his sheild is faith; his helmet is innocence; his breath is love; his watchword peace. 21 But this is not a carnal war; it is not man at war with man; but it is right against the wrong. 22 And love is captain, love is warrior, love is armour, love is all, and love shall win. 23 And then again the hills of Bethlehem were clothed with light, again the messenger exclaimed, 24 Peace, peace on earth, good will to men. 25 And Jesus taught the people; healed the sick; revealed the mysteries of the kingdom of the Holy One. 26 And many said, He is the Christ; the king who was to come has come; Praise God.

^^^

Thus according to Aquarian Age Gospel Of Jesus, The Prince Of Peace: Melchizedek, was Jesus the Mashiakh. He was a rebirth of the 'rightful ruler', the peaceful warrior and a King. The master of Laws. Yet came for another mission to teach and illustrate the supreme principles of love, and enacted a new path for individual christhood, of god with us, the meaning of Imanueli. A spirit lesson for the his dawning age of Pisces, about 2000 years from the day of his reincarnation birth.

And now we are at the cusp of age, a new dawn, a new age, a new era is at nigh... The Age of Aquarius, the water bearer. We are about to move on. And this is moment of transition is the period of 'Harvest' as he himself prophecied. The moment of great tribulations. It is a graduation into a new ara of christ's return... In the hearts of the multitudes... The Age Of One Love,Peace, harmony and Synthesis. The herald of the new Kingdom, and the righteous and insightful men shall reign for ever more as said in Daniel 12:3-4. All righteous men, not full liberated, of the past shall be born again and rejoice once again; singing the song of victory and triumph over the veil of soul ignorance... In oneness.

Selah!
Title: Re: basic questions need answers
Post by: Knowledge on February 23, 2009, 04:26:27 PM

Greetings all. .

In putting an answer to the question, I think that a good point has been raised that appears not to be answered (objectively) by many. 
Indeed H. I. M.  Selassie I did not claim he was god, he said he was art of Judah! But the thing/issue is that MEN have made god into their image and not vice-versa! We are indeed Spiritual Beings on a human journey and not (as they would have us believe); Humans on a spiritual journey!
If H. I. M's contribution to humanity  is to be gauged, it's not by superhuman feats (or plain nonsense, depending on your view point), its by the actions of kindness to humanity and the inspiration that his advent gave to those awaiting the awakening of a new (or long sleeping) consciousness! A consciousness that offered an alternative to the doctrine of oppression and other 'isms and schisms' that have prevailed under the 'MATERIAL' system!

The point of Africa not being free is indeed a valid point, The system is putting up a fierce battle to hold on to, and continue to
circumvent the future of the Aetopian continent! What many fail to appreciate, is that this system that we are under, is not rigid and inflexible, it is fluid and for ever morphing to adapt to new threats, the role of the system is to assimilate absorb and nullify any threat it perceives.  It is indeed a technique it has employed for thousands of years and it well adept at holding on to power.

The issue of the distinct spiritual ideology is in my opinion, where the poster of the question goes wrong! The easiest way to answer the underlying point, would be to refer to the quote from Marcus Garvey, who stated that "Black People" should look at God through their own spectacles and you will see you  have a GREAT HISTORY" "Look toward Africa when a Black is crowned because the day of deliverance is at hand".   The spirituality that is referred to, is not some trance like rubbish that they peddle as spirituality nowadays, it is indeed the remnants of the link to the First Source and Creator that is inherent within all of us.  However, the system over thousands of years of control, has continually sought to sever that link, indeed it has, because in most cases we have in effect become wholly reliant on the system.  Our perceptions have been dulled to the stage that they are now little more than echoes of a distant past -and that's within the more enlightened of us!   

The person also raises the following issues;
(question 2:rasta and the bible. . . The bible has been altered for centuries,so their is hardly anything authentic left. . )

I personally feel that the Bible is indeed a book that has been developed by those men (of the system) primarily to unleash bloodshed and violence with the overall purpose being that of control! Personally I don't adhere to the bible, but for the purposes of the issue!
If the questioner accepts the bible has been tampered with, how do they know what the real language of the bible is! It would appear that the writer objectively raises the issues that they feel are relevant based upon one source of information (whosoever informed them that the bible was written in Aramaic, or Hebrew), but does not balance it, with the fact that, even those sources they refer to in stating their points of contention are also very wrong!

Indeed, it must not be known to the writer that many rastafarians aspire to the Kebra Nagast (Glory of the Kings) This Ethiopian Bible is considered to be more authentic than it's later translated counterparts.  Indeed the Kebra Nagast is considered amongst one of the oldest of Holy Books! It is within this publication that H. I. M.  Selassie I, can trace his lineage back to Menelik I, and Solomon and the Queen of Sheba (Ethiopia) This is the religious and historical context that can be applied to H. I. M.  Selassie I. 

But I do accept the point that you are making regarding the need to validate oneself! Marcus Garvey knew that within the time when he was seeking to raise up the consciousness of Black People, in order to ensure that was achieved, the down trodden would have to be given a  validation, that validation comes through history, Don't forget the system has schematically rewritten and distorted history to achieve their ends, whilst doing that they have at the same time systematically obliterated the history of many, in order that their distorted and false view is accepted by all! The Rastafari have inspired many to look at history with the truth in mind, and when you do that, you find that most of history as we know it, has been re-written or omitted to give a different view of the world that we live in today!  So when the Rasta is citing certain things that may seem ideological it should be be borne in mind that for many, it's the first opportunity they have had to really look at the system with the lens removed!

I would also use the same point as above (relying upon another's information/viewpoint).  How do you know Selassie I was buried under a toilet?
There has been no evidence other than the news announcement to verify this.  Indeed it's now several years later, but to the best of my knowledge they have not provided any physical evidence to support their assumption, indeed in the age of carbon dating and DNA testing I am sure they would have been able to prove beyond reasonable doubt whether or not, this story is true! Don't you find it strange that other than the news broadcasts at the time, no concrete 'evidence' has arisen?

Finally; the conjecture (regarding rastafarians) that you allude to, could be far more easily be applied to Jesus.  But because of a couple of millennia of brainwashing, it isn't! The Man who was hanged upon a cross by all accounts, but was also cut down from a tree!! The man who was immaculately conceived, yeah right! There is a lot of things that can be levelled against the accepted norms that they want sensible people to take on board!


This is just food for thought!

Knowledge.

Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: I ELIJAH I on February 23, 2009, 09:41:03 PM
HIM's significance can be so gauged for those unwilling or incapable of making a supernatural assessment sure, but that says nothing about the matter.
   People are "under a system" only to the extent they allow themselves to be. I disagree that the bible was written first of all under the inspiration of man, much less with evil intent. Give us one example.
    I do not find it strange at all that in your opinion no concrete evidence of His Majesties murder has surfaced considering the socio-economic situation of the area in question combined with the known circumstantial and physical evidence in existence that make viewing percisely such a situation as is held to have transpired by the authorities having been otherwise illogical.
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: natty threads on February 24, 2009, 05:00:34 AM
Every now and then, i have pupils who decide it is ok to put their feet on the table.
I normally ask them to put them down. they say "no". i repeat "put them down please", they repeat "no".
So i leave it, basically because i do not know what else i should do. after a while they end up putting their feet down anyway...
This posture is not acceptable in my classroom, in my opinion, therefore, i kindly ask, but they do not cooperate and clearly want to check how far i will get. Will i shout and sanction and give them something to cling to and moan about? Will i just ignore it?

i ignore it to avoid the confrontation, but at the same time, i can't help feeling i am submitting, and do not feel comfortable about it.

What do you think? what would your reaction be?



It depends on what your teaching situation is and what you are trying to promote.

Putting feet on desks is filthy- perhaps asking them to remove their shoes to do so and then requiring the desks be disinfected afterward?

They are acting out, in part, because they have no say regarding what they do every day and what goes into their minds and out of their mouths.

It is slavery of the worst kind, bulk education, telling people what to learn and think and not allowing an outlet of hard, consequential physical labor.

Make them useful, allow them true productivity, involve them in their community and environment (I don't mean recycling- I mean getting to know and HELP people in the neighborhood), and the attitudes should change measurably.

http://www.missionislam.com/homed/neseducation.htm

:A few years back one of the schools at Harvard, perhaps the School of Government, issued some advice to its students on planning a career in the new international economy it believed was arriving. It warned sharply that academic classes and professional credentials would count for less and less when measured against real world training. Ten qualities were offered as essential to successfully adapting to the rapidly changing world of work. See how many of those you think are regularly taught in the schools of your city or state:

1) The ability to define problems without a guide.
2) The ability to ask hard questions which challenge prevailing assumptions.
3) The ability to work in teams without guidance.
4) The ability to work absolutely alone.
5) The ability to persuade others that your course is the right one.
6) The ability to discuss issues and techniques in public with an eye to reaching decisions about policy.
7) The ability to conceptualize and reorganize information into new patterns.
8) The ability to pull what you need quickly from masses of irrelevant data.
9) The ability to think inductively, deductively, and dialectically.
10) The ability to attack problems heuristically.



http://www.wtp.org/archive/transcripts/john_taylor_gatto.html

:JB: Ok John, since we have a few callers on the line, I'd like to encapsulate what you're saying: that the accumulation of great wealth requires the ability to command labor. You cannot labor if its independent and critical, therefore you need a schooling system much in the way that obedience school provides for dogs - they have to be taught not to pee in the house, or heel at their master's beck and call. And in effect, the entire school enterprise, and there are obvious examples, is a huge obedience school run on the kennel model. And the two examples you've given me - Amish, which is based on a character, traditional, very family based with a very god-centered decentralized form, and the other one which you refer to as secular, is the worker-owned cooperatives in the Basque land in Spain. Two poles which are totally at variance with the consumer mass-obedience operation which is cheerleaded from Jesse Jackson on the Left, or [Nation of Islam leader Louis] Farrakhan even more to the Left, to, you know, the Right Wing folks, the Moral Majority and the chamber of commerce!

So if I hear you right, what we really have to face up to is the absolute need for a critical distancing from this whole status quo which seeps into our deepest aims.

JTG: Absolutely, that's a perfect abstract.
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Knowledge on February 24, 2009, 10:35:31 AM
I am responding to the comments made by I Elihjah I

You state that you disagree that the bible was written under the inspiration of man, and much less with evil intent! Well again I disagree, with your subjective opinion.

The wholesale slaughter that has occurred both within the bible, and also in the name of the bible, can hardly be considered to be a righteous objective - well at least if one aspires to live and let live!

The examples I refer to are numerous and they occur all the way through the book! Cold Blooded Murder, Torture, Betrayal, its all there! In terms of who wrote the Bible, please please don't be telling me that it was Moses who wrote the first five books  Genesis Exodus Leviticus Deuteronomy and Numbers because that is patently not true! The bible has been a compilation that has was began by those obscure men - with a purpose in mind, and that purpose is the control of peoples minds! Indeed the programme has been ongoing from them times right up to now!

It might be worth you looking at the councils of Nicea and Jamnia to get a basic idea of how the book actually came into existence! Indeed the translated version that you seem to hold dear is in fact a translation of various translations that occurred through out history, as the systems have constantly re-edited the book in order that the views of the system are projected, which is why in some aspects, Rastafari has given a perspective for ones to look at the truth for themselves!What is truth??

As for the murder that you refer to, your point relating to the socio economic situation at best seems to completely avoid the issue.  if they have found bones where you say they were located, There is no logical/objective reason why the bones could not be shown and there is no viable explanation as to why there has been no "scientific" substantiation of the discovery! Indeed there has been no burial or ceremony to indicate that a re-interrment has taken place! Don't you wonder why?

Knowledge
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: I ELIJAH I on February 24, 2009, 04:37:41 PM
No ceremony or burial? I mean who am I even talking to? Are you characters not a dime a does in Rasta town?       http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/1007736.stm
There absolutely is logical reason why the bones could not be shown and that is because the people who would make the decision to show them likely come from a culture where doing so is seen as disrespectfully. And again, in that the socio-economic situation of an area can determine the recourse's allocated to scientifically substantiating such a discover this instance is again not surprising.

Providing an example of murder for instance (which have yet to actually do probably because the full context will nullify the lie that is your point) in the bible is no where near demonstrating how it is written in order to induce such in the world, much less any efficiency in doing so! At least the common hater club has raised its linguistic prowess a tad still.
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Heartical One on February 25, 2009, 02:13:29 AM
Greetings in the name of HIM.

I for one enjoy reading ARK I's posts and I'm sure that many do agree.
I overstand the point that he is trying to make with the cycle of arguing, I for one have done this with my king when something is troubling me, it maybe some thing that he has done or said that I don't agree  with and we would end up arguing about something that took place some place else at some other time which has nothing to do with the  current subject, because I or he would never take time to reflect on the point that the other was trying to raise.

I can relate to the point that ARK I makes about sifting through so many arguments as I have come away from this website weeks at a time because I have either been sucked into  a useless argument ( which is where I need to check myself) or I am seeing plenty of personal arguments firing between to people.
To put it it in harsh terms it has alot to do with thinking before you speak don't think about what your going to say next while the other person is speaking..;-) that is not  the way, this is where the original issue gets lost may a time.

discussion is not a reflex its a reflect.
Ark I, and everyone
Jah Bless

Heartical


 
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Knowledge on February 25, 2009, 02:23:23 PM
i E i

I would take this opportunity to say that within a previous posting on this topic
I mistakenly stated that no ceremony had taken place. Although a ceremony
took place, it still doesn't detract from the point I was making.

Knowledge,
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: I ELIJAH I on February 25, 2009, 04:11:36 PM
Bearing the actualization of such a light I therefore will then take this opportunity, now, to unequivocally and unhesitatingly express my, however subjective and meager, likely accurate opinion that within the previous postings on this particular thread of one "Rasta Nicks Rastafari forum" website that in so much as can be ascertained by an again meager and humble individual of average capacity the words expressed by the one being so identified in the form of whats known as a screen name "knowledge" constitute no actual point.
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Knowledge on February 26, 2009, 09:47:12 AM
Even though the response to is aimed at i. elijah i. I would like the discerning reader to note of the following!
I stated something which was inaccurate, something that (most) people do at least once within their life time!

However like most reasonable and sensible people, I went back and checked out facts and found that I was mistaken. 
However unlike i.e.i, I had the humility to come back to my nemesis (and other readers) and say I was mistaken
in some aspects of this particular issue. Although I still contend that the overall context is correct, but for this one detail!

Now if that 's a crime, then then yes I'm guilty. However, bearing in mind that they say "it takes a big person to say sorry,
I was mistaken", then shouldn't my action be viewed positively!  In answer to that question, it would appear not based upon the twittering of the fool that is the individual i.e.i.! He (as I'd already envisaged) has taken that admission to try and big himself up!!
How sad is that? How completely predictable!

I would advise i.e.i to spend more time on trying to answer the salient points I have raised, rather than trying to be clever - to no one, but her/himself !!

Knowledge.
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: moses on February 26, 2009, 12:39:36 PM
It depends on what your teaching situation is and what you are trying to promote.

Putting feet on desks is filthy- perhaps asking them to remove their shoes to do so and then requiring the desks be disinfected afterward?

They are acting out, in part, because they have no say regarding what they do every day and what goes into their minds and out of their mouths.

It is slavery of the worst kind, bulk education, telling people what to learn and think and not allowing an outlet of hard, consequential physical labor.

Make them useful, allow them true productivity, involve them in their community and environment (I don't mean recycling- I mean getting to know and HELP people in the neighborhood), and the attitudes should change measurably.

http://www.missionislam.com/homed/neseducation.htm

:A few years back one of the schools at Harvard, perhaps the School of Government, issued some advice to its students on planning a career in the new international economy it believed was arriving. It warned sharply that academic classes and professional credentials would count for less and less when measured against real world training. Ten qualities were offered as essential to successfully adapting to the rapidly changing world of work. See how many of those you think are regularly taught in the schools of your city or state:

1) The ability to define problems without a guide.
2) The ability to ask hard questions which challenge prevailing assumptions.
3) The ability to work in teams without guidance.
4) The ability to work absolutely alone.
5) The ability to persuade others that your course is the right one.
6) The ability to discuss issues and techniques in public with an eye to reaching decisions about policy.
7) The ability to conceptualize and reorganize information into new patterns.
8) The ability to pull what you need quickly from masses of irrelevant data.
9) The ability to think inductively, deductively, and dialectically.
10) The ability to attack problems heuristically.



http://www.wtp.org/archive/transcripts/john_taylor_gatto.html

:JB: Ok John, since we have a few callers on the line, I'd like to encapsulate what you're saying: that the accumulation of great wealth requires the ability to command labor. You cannot labor if its independent and critical, therefore you need a schooling system much in the way that obedience school provides for dogs - they have to be taught not to pee in the house, or heel at their master's beck and call. And in effect, the entire school enterprise, and there are obvious examples, is a huge obedience school run on the kennel model. And the two examples you've given me - Amish, which is based on a character, traditional, very family based with a very god-centered decentralized form, and the other one which you refer to as secular, is the worker-owned cooperatives in the Basque land in Spain. Two poles which are totally at variance with the consumer mass-obedience operation which is cheerleaded from Jesse Jackson on the Left, or [Nation of Islam leader Louis] Farrakhan even more to the Left, to, you know, the Right Wing folks, the Moral Majority and the chamber of commerce!

So if I hear you right, what we really have to face up to is the absolute need for a critical distancing from this whole status quo which seeps into our deepest aims.

JTG: Absolutely, that's a perfect abstract.


Maximum Respect my dear sister for this contribution...

It reminds on how much I and I synchonise our efforts and capacity for change... Really. Conscious of real issues for real change. Bless.

Social re-engineering is necessity at this very Iwa... Many of us need to take enterprises. From whispering among our selves into voicing up our concerns. Will share some of my test ideas of future social-economic reforms from grassroot enterprises. And later concepts and values towards family life as a real enterprise... I hope this will clear many of today's marriage crissis. Just one false attachment for unnecessary 'imaginary thing' make many of families less that the best of it can be in a modern era. And people suffer for not making right choices and hence indicating being less of 'graduated' men and women of christ's key lesson about our relationships in spirit and transcendence of ordinary marriage bonds.

Lets see, Bless Up



Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: I ELIJAH I on February 26, 2009, 02:00:55 PM
An ostensibly genuine point salient to the realm of fantasy provides its own response in the reverberation of the self-effacing mockery that is its foundation.
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Knowledge on February 26, 2009, 02:50:51 PM
I see that your handlers have armed you with more gibberish!
Excellent  ;D
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: I ELIJAH I on February 26, 2009, 06:49:24 PM
They told me you would like it.
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Knowledge on March 03, 2009, 12:24:12 PM
[i"]The Melchizedek in Genesis is a mystery, who he is and where he is from".
[/i]

In answer to the question;

Mechizedek appeared in flesh from a common birth having both mother and father, However what distinguished
Melchizedek was the higher knowledge and secret which he knew and the teaching he expressed from an extraordinarily
early age!   

Later on as the legend goes; Melchizedek in his role as the High Priest Of Salem, was the first who taught of the One Creator and First Source.
According to the legend Melchizedek set up his temple in Salem and he was the one who first taught of the
Elohim. Apparently Abram was taken by his teaching and used the teaching and the association with the High Priest
to enlarge his own status!

Indeed it was Melchizedek who urged Abram not to go to and undertake the massacre -commonly known as the Slaughter of the Kings.
When the reference is made to the 10th of the spoils that Abram gave onto to the High Priest of Salem, whom had come out to meet him
on his return from the slaughter. What the biblical story does not tell about this legend, was that Melchizedek had not come out to meet
Abram and to greet him. He had tarried out (much too later as it transpires) to prevent Abram from undertaking this atrocity!
It was indeed because of the great fear that Abram had of Melchizedek, that he instantly decided to give up the 10th of the spoils, in order to placate Melchizedek; who was extremely taken aback by the blood thirsty and needless action that had been undertaken by Abram.

Indeed when Melchizedek vanished it was not by way of crucifixion or any spectacular departure, he simply vanished, no body no carcass nothing he just vanished (sounds like some one else!!) and his work was undertaken (apparently) by the Seth-ites) who had taken on his work!   
 
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: timbrownxy on March 29, 2011, 06:02:52 AM
I think the discussion is not bad to some extent, because the discussion a little, and to defend the point of view, to argue why I believe in it, and stuff.  So now I'm arguing that the plot is not bad until it turns to violence, is a natural thing, and we can discuss peacefuly and you can discuss aggressive, violent, and depends only caracture, which can be modeled. 
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: coyote jack on March 22, 2012, 07:54:31 PM
Ark I,

Very wise words in your initial post here bro.

I found that such wisdom would apply to anyone who was interested in living a clean, peaceful life.

I especially love this quote: " Fighting for a cause will come from reasoning.  Fighting for foolishness will come from arguing. "

Thanks for sharing that


J
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: herbsman on October 02, 2012, 01:50:22 PM
greetings all.......good subject " KNO..."  !

Melchizedek......yes in old test about Abram giving da high priest 1/10th of da spoils....most idrens kno0w not even bout dis man Melchizedek......ty   "KNO"  for bringing here......in da New Test  , I believe chptr s   7-11  talks of Melchizedek   in the book of HEBREWS.   It will ailso , I think chptr 11 tells blatanly people who were saved.......they skip over solo-man...Solomon......... Im not lookin at bible in front of me I left it in da other room.....what do ya tnink of da idrens who in Hebrews says who WAS saved ?     Nice to see all da idrens here. ....hope you mare all doing well

MICHAEL
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: reggae on October 10, 2012, 09:22:33 AM
Nya makes a good point on this thread you know. Nya said the one thing giving him hope for black people is Rasta. What a truly great thing Rasta is.
Dignity and self respect you know..it can and will raise up all who suffer discrimination. 8)
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: rastaemperor on December 03, 2013, 04:44:17 AM
Rasta's dont av tym to worship human being coz we only worship d almight . . . . . he just serve as leader like moses durin is days. . . . . . . . . . . d bible is a book to recon with coz it shows all thinks man needs to knw. . . . . language barrier dosent matter coz we ar one and we ar GOD's pple
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Oskar on December 07, 2013, 08:28:21 PM
all that is needed is love really. the bible is written by man and there is no time to worship neither man nor his creation. yet we should respect people because they are the creation of the almighty. blessed
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Incense on January 12, 2014, 05:54:37 PM
all that is needed is love really. the bible is written by man and there is no time to worship neither man nor his creation. yet we should respect people.
so there were 100,000 people in Africa when the drought hit. But all they needed was love. As they began to die they realized they neede water. When 3000 died they realized it was to late now for water. You see we have dad love all along. We don't need religion for love. Wisdon. Understanding. Educaton. Responsibility. Reasoning. All these are not love. When you say love you say mentaly incapable can be Rasta. For what purpose? Love for self is not love. It is not come one cum all. But it sounds like that's your Justification for yourself. Now then define this "love". I doubt you can.
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Oskar on January 13, 2014, 02:14:43 PM
love for self is also love yet if it is separate from love of others it is not complete love, it is segregation. love is one and not segregation. love is righteousness and love is justice. only a wicked person can look at injustice and like what is seen.

water is necessary yet water without love is a disgrace, it is an injustice towards the human race and even the earth itself. yet some people choose to poison the water, that is not love. love is wisdom and love is to be and act responsibly towards everyone all around the earth and not cause harm to the earth and its people. love is not a selective view, it is to accept the fullness without prejudice.
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Incense on January 13, 2014, 03:06:29 PM
Understanding. call it wisdom, call it responsability for I and I. I also see but my heart is differrnt.
Title: Re: Cycle of arguing
Post by: Oskar on January 13, 2014, 04:52:42 PM
i am not judging the i heart for being different. give thanks to the most high for making this world a diverse place.