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Title: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: TREE-NATTY on May 04, 2004, 04:19:42 PM
I just wanted to give a brief history in the symbol of Christianity known to all as the "cross"

ACT 10: 38-40

"How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power; who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with Him. And we are witness of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a TREE. Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly"

So Acts show us that Jesus died by being hung from a TREE. Yes the Roman empire at the time was excuting people by hanging them on crosses. But here in this passage it speaks of something different. And the question is how this "cross" symbol became the symbol or respesention of Christainity?

Well lets look at Anicent Egypt. And the symbol of life called the "ANKH" when you see this symbol meaning life its a close resemblence to the "cross". And as the Christianity faith has unnaturally took out the represention of the woman/female with, Father, Son, & Holy Ghost. In Anicent Egypt it was Father, Mother, and Child. This is depicted in the anicent writtings and drawings of the anicent Africans for the GOD known as "Heru/ Horus" the child of "Auset/Isis". If you have ever seem any small statues of her and Heru it looks like the Virgin Mary with baby Jesus. BTW the statues are representives of Egyptian God/Goddess that are 20,000 years older than Christianity from Antioch (birth place of modern christianity)!! So again Rastafari is "Heru" in the second coming for He himself Selassie I was the only begotten child of his mother!


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TREE-NATTY
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: herbsman on May 04, 2004, 04:28:14 PM
Jesus Christ used the symbol himself , but wit a letter P on top of cross an alpha to omega symbols underneath ( beginning to end).This is why it is associated with Jesus.Not the crucifiction.What is BTW ?
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: Major Scorpion on May 04, 2004, 07:44:01 PM
BTW is by the way
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: justwondering on May 05, 2004, 12:10:40 AM
tree has some very good points
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: Ryan on May 05, 2004, 01:49:09 AM
People will come up with many points to guide us away from the truth, look at all the lies about Haile Selassie.
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: TREE-NATTY on May 06, 2004, 04:04:08 PM
Herbs
Actually Jesus symbol that he made was of a fish! I never heard him making a cross? Please where did you get that info from?

BTW
The cross is made in this way.... draw a cross with even north/south and east west lines. Than draw a circle around all the lines. Where its a circle with four sections within it. This is the cross of the earth meaning.....earth, air, water, and fire. That what the cross stands from the "elements my brother the elements"- Countryman

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TREE-NATTY
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: herbsman on May 06, 2004, 06:12:23 PM
dear tree-natty
Yes I learned this about a year ago in college class called "Philosophy in religions".Jesus made the mark of the cross then put a P on top with the Alpha to omega letters unerneath the horizontal line.I dont want to upset anyone here but the crucifiction never happened.The cross is associated with Jesus because like I said.That was HIS mark.The P ontop representing PHISH as in alpha-bet of that time.He called himself "the phish".
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: TREE-NATTY on May 06, 2004, 06:38:39 PM
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dear tree-natty
Yes I learned this about a year ago in college class called "Philosophy in religions".Jesus made the mark of the cross then put a P on top with the Alpha to omega letters unerneath the horizontal line.I dont want to upset anyone here but the crucifiction never happened.The cross is associated with Jesus because like I said.That was HIS mark.The P ontop representing PHISH as in alpha-bet of that time.He called himself "the phish".


hee hee!
Herb you learned in a Philosophy (greek word meaning "opinion") in religions class? LOL ok now I can see where you are coming from. Well the only thing I have to say about that is SCJC was known to speak in a dead language called Amaric now modern version is called Amahric. This tongue is spoken only in one place Ethiopia! Now what you are saying is that  SCJC that is described as a African and speaking African tongue would used a GREEK symbol to desrcibe or respresent himself??? WOW!!!! As a inteligent thinking being I cannot and will not swallow that!
Also where does the fish come from? Oh let me guess the Hebrew/Greek zodaic? And remember that SCJC was Nazerine not Hebrew! You just don't make sense of what you said of the FACTS that are out there. But then again neither does SCJC!!

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TREE-NATTY
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: herbsman on May 06, 2004, 09:26:50 PM
haa haa , lmao, like u said "it doesnt make sense".
what is SCJC ?
you asked me a question and Im just telling you  where I learned that...hee , hee hee
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: Ryan on May 06, 2004, 09:38:35 PM
Yes, i agree the fish is much more important then the cross. He never pointed out to were the cross or that it his symbol.
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: justwondering on May 07, 2004, 03:08:55 AM
i think that it would have been more likely for Jesus to mark a fish than a cross, due to the fact that at that time in history the romans were using the cross to crucify people. i feel that the cross is in christianity because it was a sign to remember as to what jesus died on
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: TREE-NATTY on May 07, 2004, 02:04:16 PM
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due to the fact that at that time in history the romans were using the cross to crucify people. i feel that the cross is in christianity because it was a sign to remember as to what jesus died on


I just want to add to what JUst said starting at

"it was a sign FOR ROMANS to remember as to what Jesus died on"

Very Very good point JUST! (just needed to be modified)

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TREE-NATTY
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: conspiracytheory on May 07, 2004, 09:19:42 PM
the symbol of the fish, was used by rebel christians when the romans outlawed the practice of christianity. It was simmilare to a flag in that sense. Jesus himself was not alive when the fish was coined as a symbol of his following

but who cares. To a christian jesus died on the cross, so thus the cross is the symbol of jesus dieing for their sins, who cares what they belive. Why is it a problem they have the cross, did rasta call that symbol first or something?
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: TREE-NATTY on May 09, 2004, 06:44:49 PM
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Why is it a problem they have the cross, did rasta call that symbol first or something?


Its really not a problem but one must know what these symbols mean.  Basically what I was pointing out is that Christianity has the most PAGAN symbolism in any religion! The cross is a PAGAN/Babylon symbol. But man has turn that around just as they do a lot of things. And then say now the PAGAN symbol is Holy and Sacred. See this is a pure example of Westerns changing the face of God! He called the African ANKH a devil symbol. Took out the represention of the female and said that the TREEnity is Father, Son and Holy Ghost! But no woman involved??
If this is the type of thing that SCJC (so-called Jesus Christ) is promising me in His heaven I don't want to go there! Cause they are no females!!! If I cannot have sex with a woman in Christianity heavan please show me hell. Cause I well be in hell in Christ's heaven!!!
Thats why I search for HER (heaven) on earth!!! So I will have her in the afterlife!!!

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TREE-NATTY
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: justwondering on May 10, 2004, 06:16:41 PM
thank you tree
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: Ryan on May 12, 2004, 10:11:33 AM
Good point Tree, i think that we cannot rely on the church at all, and they have tainted many of the scriptures to read differently so that it will fit their views and help gain power. If you look at the Vatican, Its got PRICELESS artifacts, and paintings etc. Mounting to more money then you could imagine, yet they cant supply more food for the starving around the world? They cant supply AFFORDABLE education?

Ryan
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: justwondering on May 13, 2004, 06:18:16 AM
i wish i knew latin, greek, and hebrew and i wish i could be locked in the vaults of the vatican so that i could read all the wonderful things the RCC is keeping from the world and for my 3rd wish i would want a xerox machine with me at all times so i could make copies for all to see!!!! ;D :D [smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: conspiracytheory on May 13, 2004, 11:47:25 AM
Paganism.... babylon. What form of paganism. There are more than one.  I dont understand how paganism is evil.


And your interpereting the bible much much much to literally. Its a religion and there for must be veiwed through spiritual context. Not your eyes whos only  attempt is to bring it down. The christian church may not be something you or I belive in. But its a faith just like yours.

Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: TREE-NATTY on May 13, 2004, 02:40:58 PM
Paganism is evil in Christianty eyes thats how paganism is evil.
The bible is a African History book, so my eyes are not trying to bring it down. But explaining it thru Afrcain spects. Yes it is spritual, but its literal as well! If you didn't know this than thats where you are in study of the bible. Christian is a faith base organzation. I don't have faith Theory.......I have Knowledge, Wisdom, and Understanding!

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TREE-NATTY
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: herbsman on May 13, 2004, 03:21:21 PM
the cross as a symbol gos back 4000 years to 10,000 years before the jesus christman.It was and will always be a symbol of death.Christians were not the ones to adapt this.Learn.
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: TREE-NATTY on May 13, 2004, 03:46:19 PM
The symbol of the cross came directly from the African ANKH

Please show me that the ANKH is a symbol of death?
But it does go back during that time

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TREE-NATTY
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: Oo.oO on May 13, 2004, 09:49:53 PM
Pagan's worship creation.  The sun, moon, stars, gold, wood etc...

Not The Creator, God.

Peace
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: msganja575 on May 13, 2004, 11:41:59 PM
I think the cross was just a dealth place. The cross means death anyway. People can idology it all day , but the truth is the turth
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: Ryan on May 13, 2004, 11:48:34 PM
I give thanks for those things though,(the sun, the sky, the stars, the sea) THEY PROVIDE US LIFE! Jah create them for us and we should give thanks for these things, all things.
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: lilrasi_I on May 14, 2004, 12:09:31 AM
It is not them that provide us with life, but they who make up an environment making it possible for our bodies to support life.
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: Ryan on May 14, 2004, 12:11:27 AM
Well ill rephrase, they provide the needs we have. Get what i mean? Well maybe not stars, but they give us enjoyment.
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: Oo.oO on May 14, 2004, 08:01:56 AM
Of course Ryan.

Of course we should give thanks & praise for these things.

To the Creator, Almighty God, who created them.

I am awe struck too when I observe these wonders.  For these things, & indeed all things created are wonderful, and amazing, & truly beyond our comprehension.

Praise the Living God.
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: TREE-NATTY on May 14, 2004, 06:28:29 PM
The Creator God you speak of only created man.

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TREE-NATTY
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: staci on May 14, 2004, 08:33:40 PM
what? HE created it all.
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: lilrasi_I on May 14, 2004, 10:44:06 PM
That's not true, explaine evolution, adaptation, these are all proven true and can be shown to you in life.
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: herbsman on May 14, 2004, 11:01:16 PM
I thought in the beginning "GENESIS", that JAH created everything. Am I wrong???LiL -rasi   and   treenotty , explain this reason .Cause I thought JAH created everything.And now you are saying that HE didnt but I know in some of yuor posts that you refer to the bible,as if you believe in the Old Test.....but now you post that JAH didnt CREATE everything????
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: conspiracytheory on May 14, 2004, 11:02:27 PM
there are many interperetations of the bible. I belive creationism in a different sense than many people.... maybe they do to.
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: herbsman on May 14, 2004, 11:04:26 PM
please explain more........I do not overstasnd.............seeeeen ?
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: conspiracytheory on May 15, 2004, 03:52:28 AM
They practice faith different, that dosent make them wrong, it seems like many people go and try to attack the christian religion. Attack the chruch, theres a difference.
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: lilrasi_I on May 15, 2004, 08:16:54 PM
Genesis it mans interpretation, don't believe me? Look at it. It shows God as saying let there be light and he called the light day, was God talking to itself? If it speaks is english the language of choice? It says let the earth bring forth grass but grass is a relatively new plant in relation to the earths history. I believe, AND GENESIS WILL AlSO TELL YOU, that god didn't create everything but created the means for them to come about...prove it you say?001:020  "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving
       creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth
       in the open firmament of heaven."
Oh and further more the god creating these things is not the spirit Jah either, but a physical god creating life here as it is where it came from, this why such passages say...
And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good

After their kind!

But whats this...

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our
       likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

US, OUR IMAGE

So God created man in his own image, in the image of Godcreated he him; male and female created he them.

And no where does it say that god created all life as it is now, of coarse it would say all life cause there was no life at the time!!! Of coarse it would say everything cause there was nothing there in the first place.

And there are clearly parts of this that were added by man as seen here...
And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and
       every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had
       not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man
       to till the ground.

As if to say things can't grow unless there is a human to till the ground for it, tell me you believe that and I will stop because there is no reason for me to keep explaining.

The bible must be interpreted by you, not just read and every sentance word for word taken literally.
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: TREE-NATTY on May 16, 2004, 03:54:48 PM
I think lilrasi did this well! JAh did create man. Man's interperetion of creation is thru God's eyes. I do believe that life was here already and sustain well enough in the begining. Hence the dinosaurs!!!!
If they could live why couldn't others?

Once one completely understand and see thru Genesis the bible will take on a WHOLE NEW meaning!
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TREE-NATTY
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: dutch_conway on May 18, 2004, 04:08:18 PM
lets clear this up a little bit...refer to the book "illuminati 666."  Before christ was even born, certain peoples used crosses to sacrifice children. These peoples were followers of the "luciferian" movement. the devils plan is to show the world he does not exist by hiding behind smoke screens.  one of these many smoke screens is todays modern pagaenized christianity(part of the "babylon").  the cross is actually a sign of the devil aka nimrod aka osiris etc.  so what better way to have yourself worshipped than crucify our "savior" on a cross.  basically "rubbing salt in the wound"

you can believe what i say if you like or not but you should read the book, because it has much knowledge pertaining to the beliefs of 5 percenters rastafari and islam.  
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: TREE-NATTY on May 18, 2004, 08:24:24 PM
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lets clear this up a little bit...refer to the book "illuminati 666."  Before christ was even born, certain peoples used crosses to sacrifice children. These peoples were followers of the "luciferian" movement. the devils plan is to show the world he does not exist by hiding behind smoke screens.  one of these many smoke screens is todays modern pagaenized christianity(part of the "babylon").  the cross is actually a sign of the devil aka nimrod aka osiris etc.  so what better way to have yourself worshipped than crucify our "savior" on a cross.  basically "rubbing salt in the wound"

you can believe what i say if you like or not but you should read the book, because it has much knowledge pertaining to the beliefs of 5 percenters rastafari and islam.  


So Dutch
You actually think the illuminati is tell you the truth? For you to say that the cross is the devil sign from ancient ke-met (Egypt) is crazy! Where did Moses get all of his knowledge from? JAH or African Mystery School in Memphis, Egypt? The illmunati is nothing but whitemen with power and wealth, who search for immorlity! Such as Gilgamesh Story. Thats what the Illuminati is doing! Nothing else! They are trying to do this by collecting ancient artifacts throughout the world. Who do you think owns ALL the HISTORY MUSEUMS IN THE WORLD.........illuminati! thats who! And that Osiris comment  is funny to!
The illuminati do you know what that word means and where it comes from?
The illuminati is nothing but power wealth mainly families in the search for immortality and along the way they gain knowledge of universe. And as you should know the highest degree a illuminatian can attain is 33 1/3% of universal knowledge! This is why they (illmunati) say that humans only use 12% of their brain! Which is also crazy! Cause this means the most important organ in your body is also the only organ in your body that does work fully! Now thats even crazier!!!
I know men who live a life of teaching that have 360 degrees of knowledge! Have you read any of their books?
Get out of the evil rich whiteman mind called the illuminati.
And step into the unbeaten path of YOURSELF!!

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TREE-NATTY
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: rasrossi on May 23, 2004, 10:45:37 PM
The tree in question symbolizes the Cross of Calvary where the Lord Jesus was crucified,The Holy Bible made us believe he was crucified and yes they did crusified him so the Symbol of Cross in Christianity is for Remembrance.Point of correction..Naty,never argue about the contents in the Bible.A word of advice Brother.
Title: Re: Why Is The Cross In Christianity?
Post by: I-sciple. on December 30, 2016, 06:43:24 PM
Why would anyone want to worship a symbol of capital punishment?