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Title: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: Jayanno on May 18, 2006, 08:18:13 AM
It seems to me like Britain is a very secure place to all those involved in the Rasta movement and everyone else.

H.I.M went to Bath (in england) to escape Italy for a while.

Bob Marley moved to england after the assasination attempt.

Marcus Garvey died in London

Seems like a lot of the Rasta movement was someway involved with Britain. All those who say Britain is evil and babylon arnt correct. How can it be? Bob marley would not chose to live in babylon. H.I.M even went to Britain, and Marcus garvey chose to go there for treatment.

Britain was never a divided country, unlike USA and the South. Britain was in the slave trade, but what people dont relise was that they were the first to stop because the majority of people thought it was cruel and unjust. Which it was.

You hear about Tonly Blair and the Iraq war but thats not britain that is 1 Man that most people did not want. Its not britain its the polytricks and the government that are in Britain.

Im just saying

Bless
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: Ras_Gideon on May 18, 2006, 06:29:42 PM
breda, dont take this the wrong way, cos i know that we all love our homes.
but bro, the only thing the british have ever been good at is invading places and making slaves out of the natives, with out even going in to the empire, the english invaded every country that surrounded their own; wales, scotland and ireland.
are you at all familier with what the british did to the irish? have you ever heared of the black and tans?
now let us talk about the empire, this included the british destroying the cultures of the first nations in canada, murdering several tribes of native americans in what were the original colonies. the treatment of aboriginal peoples in australia who had their land, the lands of their ancestors taken away from them.
the british not only murdered people that they dubbed savages, they also raped and pillaged all that they could from the ancient indian kingdoms and egypt.
a good friend of mine once said that the british will never have a revolution because they are too scared of what they will lose. the governing classes in britain arent worried for the most part what the people do as long as they dont start causing trouble. this is the reason why Bob came here, because he could walk safely in the crowd (of people who will never cause trouble).
as for HIM coming to britain, wake up bro, it was the lesser of two evils, considering that fascists were in control of the rest of europe.
and babylon isnt controlled by borders, that is the reason why if we fight babylon in one land it appears in another, but we just keep fighting. as for tony blair...i cant be bothered wasting too many words on him, surfice to say that the Lord will judge him.
i mean no offence but all i have said is true.
bless
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: Ras Saadon on May 18, 2006, 07:10:01 PM
InI just wanted to point something out for the record, HIM nah went to England to escape Italy for a while, he lived there since he had to be present at all the League of Nation's council, and make his historic speech and such, he wanted to stay in Switzerland but they wouldnt allow him, they said that it would look as if Switzerland was taking sides, so England was his only choice, anyway what InI am trying to say is this, HIM nah went to rest a bit, or run from Italy, he went there to FIGHT FOR HIS COUNTRY, that was his only chance, his stay there wasnt too pleasant, he had to face racism, being away from his people while they were getting killed, he endured many sleepless nights because all of this and more.

InI know that you probably nah mean to hurt HIM's name, but the way you said it made it seem as if he was running away while his country and his people was suffering..

Jah Bless,
Ras Saadon.
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: M-Dub on May 18, 2006, 07:56:05 PM
Greetings and peace.

Big ups to the fiyah from Gideon and Ras Saadon.

Britain is one of the most evil empires ever in existence. They are the leader in technology that allows them to spy on their citizens. It is a government that supports the US and the invasion of Iraq. Evil.

Also, France was the first country to abolish slavery, not Britain.

How easily some are fooled...

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: Regdan on May 18, 2006, 08:35:27 PM
What I don't understand if the constant focus on a countries past; the people that live in Britain today are not the same people that invaded my home country, Scotland. Or any other country for that matter.

I don't forgive the ancestors of England, but they have done nothing to wrong most countries now. Focusing on the past events and condemning a country will do nothing to help the future.

Yet, it still is evil in that is supports a bad war, but then again. You are never to sure if it's the politicians moves to say that in order to still have US support.

Bless.
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: Positive_Vibration on May 18, 2006, 09:06:32 PM
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What I don't understand if the constant focus on a countries past; the people that live in Britain today are not the same people that invaded my home country, Scotland. Or any other country for that matter.

I don't forgive the ancestors of England, but they have done nothing to wrong most countries now. Focusing on the past events and condemning a country will do nothing to help the future.

Yet, it still is evil in that is supports a bad war, but then again. You are never to sure if it's the politicians moves to say that in order to still have US support.

Bless.


We cannot move into the future without true knowledge of the past! This is a big part of Rastafari and the Rastaman or Rastawoman's trod.

We bring up the past because there's little seperation between then and now, in this case. Britain('s government) supported killing of innocent people then - they support killing of innocent people now.

I have no doubt that they want more US governmental support --- the US is worse!

Selassie I bless it
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: M-Dub on May 18, 2006, 09:31:57 PM
Of course, they are not the same people, but they are the same rulers. It is the same government, it is the same dictatorship.

As far as the war, if they support it just to keep good relations with the US, it makes the support even that much more evil in nature.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: Regdan on May 19, 2006, 02:47:48 AM
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We cannot move into the future without true knowledge of the past! This is a big part of Rastafari and the Rastaman or Rastawoman's trod.

We bring up the past because there's little seperation between then and now, in this case. Britain('s government) supported killing of innocent people then - they support killing of innocent people now.

I have no doubt that they want more US governmental support --- the US is worse!

Selassie I bless it


I do not think you understood at all what I was saying. I was saying that CONDEMNING a country for its past is WRONG. I never said RECOGNIZING and KNOWING its past is WRONG.


Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: Positive_Vibration on May 19, 2006, 04:00:11 AM
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I do not think you understood at all what I was saying. I was saying that CONDEMNING a country for its past is WRONG. I never said RECOGNIZING and KNOWING its past is WRONG.




And by recognizing and knowing the true history, the wrong-doing is seen.

No one here is 'condemning' Britain nor its people. It's simple observation of the past 400 years that it's governmental system is unjust.

Selassie I
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: M-Dub on May 19, 2006, 03:29:46 PM
Regdan - No one condemned Britain first of all. Secondly, I have given plenty of examples of why the country itself is currently evil. Some other things I have left out are the lack of compassion for the environment not only by the government but by the general population as well. Materialistic, self centered, evil. The US and Canada are the same. Don't be fooled by pride.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: joeyb on May 20, 2006, 04:48:40 PM
the only thing the british have ever been good at is invading places and making slaves out of the natives, with out even going in to the empire, the english invaded every country that surrounded their own; wales, scotland and ireland.

I'm sorry, I'm not sure if you've ever been to Britain but this is laughable. Oh, we have a monarchy and they used to run amok, sure, but that doesnt mean invading places is the only thing were good at. We've been invading loads of times, making us a mongrel race. Then we made our own empire (not a good move) and now we dont have one. Its like saying the only thing Italians are good at is stealing religions!

as for HIM coming to britain, wake up bro, it was the lesser of two evils, considering that fascists were in control of the rest of europe.

Check your history on that one, Saadon's already shed light on that.

Britain is not the best place on Earth. We help out with America's wars and are full of pride. But our citizens arent very oppressed by the government; its not on par with Nepal!! I still fight against the evil my country does, but making out that we are imperialists in rubbish.

OneLove
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: Soul-Jah on May 20, 2006, 05:44:38 PM
Greetings

how can ones say a country is evil sure their is evil people in this country and the ones in power are oppresing others, but i love my people, and am proud to be british my great grandfather fought and died in the second world war, so i could call myself british, i am and i love british working class people, nothing foolish about my british pride, i acknowledge and raspect my ancestors, cant deny my roots can I,
those in powerer a few and far between, the majority are good and oppressed check the work houses in the 1800s, the british upper class oppressed their own people, this is evil and continues today, but saying britain doasnt indicate thease people alone it indicates all of us, oh and dont forget the majority of white people in the usa and canada originate from britain, check the history british people stole the land of native people, pirates like columbus and cook did this, you guys originate and are in existance becouse of the evil acts of british people, does that mean you should hate yourselfs and are evil? of course not it just means you need to check your OUR history and learn from past mistakes, the way you guys are speaking you all hate yourselfs and your people

BIG UP JOEY true words you speak

blessed love

Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: Elect on May 20, 2006, 06:26:07 PM
Soul_Jah take the words from my mouth!

a country cannot be evil...people in the country can be...but a country in an inanimate object...
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: Ras_Gideon on May 23, 2006, 08:15:01 PM
Jambo breda,what do you mean by its laughable, i live in liverpool bro, ive lived here for years.
but the british are still destroying people, the support isreal, they support the US.
the british tried to destroy the irish through breeding them out. look at the problems in northern ireland, only the other day gerry adams tried to offer the hand of peace by nominating ian paisley (the leader of the loyalists) first minister in the stormont assembly but he threw it back in his face.
the british have made a lot of mistakes and unlike the germans and the italians who committed acts of horror during world war two and have apologised the british have cut the horror of the empire this out of their history books, i know this because i have a history gcse.
i never mentioned the monarchy, my point was that for years the british have murdered people for their own gain and the british people the proletariat or plebs or working class whatever you want to call them have never done anything about it.
and this continues as babylon takes away their freedom even more and force everyone to have those things that Jah gave us that make us different and put it on a computer.  i have no problem with the british people themselves, i love them
my friends are british. but they never try to stop anything or change it. britain is the only major power never to have had a full revolution (the civil war doesnt count - the monarchy was reinstated).
look at the things that have happened to the government since the begining of 2006, in no particular order; peadophile teachers, peerages for sale, the prisoners who were supposed to be deported, the NHS, the ministers blackmailing asylum seekers into sex for visas, the deputy primeminister sleeping with his pa (that destroyed clinton, but prescott is still here). [smiley=huh.gif]that is more than one crisis a month!!
in any other country this amount of shit would have sparked a revolution,(not even mentioning iraq would have started one on its own) but not in britain, because the british dont care. it's not their fault all prole societies are kept ignorant. they dont even care about their overnment enough to force a general election (which they can! one of the few countries that can infact) this is why they are guilty. a wise man once said "bad things happen when good people stand by and do nothing about them".
britain may have committed plenty of crimes in the past, but they are still committing them and that is why britain is evil. not the country but the state, the very system is decaying with sin and yet noone does a thing.
oh and soul jah the majority of white people in the US are actually germans austrians poles and slavic people along with a large quantity of irish
i know that my brothers are far from stupid, but we have to distance ourselves from our nationalities and face the problems that we create (irish people carry the shame of destroying many tribes of natives in the US, as well as our current problems as europeans) if we are to live in Jah as rasta man.
the time has come for change, this is our purpose, we must chant down babylon in all its forms even if it hurts.
seen?
Jah bless
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: Ras_Gideon on May 23, 2006, 08:15:59 PM
i adressed the last post to jambo, i apologise it was meant to be joey
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: M-Dub on May 23, 2006, 10:16:00 PM
In my opinion, your government represents you. If your government is evil in nature and you do nothing to organize revolution against it, you are just as bad as the government itself.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: Soul-Jah on May 23, 2006, 10:45:46 PM
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In my opinion, your government represents you. If your government is evil in nature and you do nothing to organize revolution against it, you are just as bad as the government itself.

One

Jah bless


Greetings M-DUB thats a BIG generalisation, by that reasoning the whole of germany was evil becouse of Hitler

I dont vote and I govern myself, I try to follow a righteous path with my life, aims and morals, many of my morals and ideals conflict with that of the establishment, so how do you figure Tony blair represents me ?

a country is a mass of land built by Jah are you saying Jahs creation is evil becouse of the current leaders?

blessed love
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: M-Dub on May 31, 2006, 06:09:41 PM
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I dont vote and I govern myself, I try to follow a righteous path with my life, aims and morals, many of my morals and ideals conflict with that of the establishment, so how do you figure Tony blair represents me ?
 
a country is a mass of land built by Jah are you saying Jahs creation is evil becouse of the current leaders?


I'm saying your entire government represents you, not one single person, no matter how much power they hold within that organization. If you don't agree with what your government does (which the majority of the populations in most countries don't) it is my belief that you should work to organize against that government. The term government in itself shows how we are truly still living in dictatorships. We are governed, not self ruled. The citizens do not make decisions, we have decisions made for us. I believe that not only the governments are evil, but the very foundations upon which they were built. We as the people have a responsibility of doing something about our governments if they are running amock. These are supposed to be our countries.

One

Jah bless
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: braidzzz on June 02, 2006, 11:35:36 PM
Greetings to you all.
In the name of the most high.

I would like to say something to all those who had somthing to say about Britain.

First of all M-dub (greetings to you idren) but I feel that your comments were harsh, as a black british citizen InI feel it is my responsibilty to vote, and everytime InI try to vote for what I feel  will benefit others around me and also benefit my son in the future, because that is what my ancestors and all our ancestors faught and died for in the field and off, as the younger generation InI feel we owe it!!
What Im trying to say here is that it is not the people of britains fault if the people in power do not want to listen to the cries of their people this is why we all it politricks!!

Secondly yes when I think of the hurrendous things that this country has done, the rapes the murders and the injustices and the fact that that woman,still wheres the tropheys of her kills in her crown, not just in Afrika, to know that the country I have to bring my son up in is responsible for so much suffering vexes me and makes me feel sick to the stomach.
But!! I sit back and I remember Where I am and who I am and I thank Jah  that he decided to create me at a time where we as black women and men are seen as more equal, allowed to vote and the right freedom of speech and I live in one of the most inter-cultural countries in the world.

Another thing is personaly I feel that every black man and woman in britain knows what need to be done interms of justice for the people of all tribes but we know it is not in our hands, it is all in the hands of jah,All we can do is prepare we must govern ourselves before we govern people, because even if we do succeed no earthly government organisation will be perfect, never! because only Jahs system of things will succeed.

So my answer to you  all is,  it is not the government that define the people
cause InI for one am not selfish and lazy
I do what needs to be done
Stand up for what I believe in
while protecting my son.
Britain has a horrific past for which the people responsible will pay for dearly, but
I remeber to humble myself and I except the rules as they are for now, even yesus christus
stopped the people from beating up the tax man.

my apologies If I have ofended anyone in this post it was not my intention to do so.

Bless
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: Liam on June 03, 2006, 01:14:25 AM
Hey all i hav read most of these replies on how britian had an empire and enslaved all manner of ppl but if u look at britian now we don't hav an empire or anythin we were once on top but were not anymore because ppl started fighting for there right and freedom for there kind britain nowadays is jus like any otha country ina way because we fear wot most countrys fear like for one terrorism all countrys fear it and because of this we can unite against it

Jah bless
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: burn_down_babylon on June 05, 2006, 05:34:28 AM
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In my opinion, your government represents you. If your government is evil in nature and you do nothing to organize revolution against it, you are just as bad as the government itself.

One

Jah bless

SEEN breda.  Burn it all down.
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: George on June 05, 2006, 08:15:17 PM
i come from britain and I am not evil britain taking over and enslaving people is ove hundereds of years ago The government are the ones who are evil they decided to go to iraq. Most of the public wanted it otherwise but the us also wnet britain being evil is purely a stereotype which is like saying"Germany is evil because thats were nazi's wer" but germany isn't evil!!!! [smiley=sad.gif]
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: M-Dub on June 06, 2006, 07:44:37 PM
No it is not the fault of the citizens if the government will not listen to them. It is the fault of the citizen if change does not come and they do nothing about it, is it not?
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: braidzzz on June 13, 2006, 10:36:23 PM
Greetings Idren.

I don't believe that it is  the citizens fault if the government dont listen  to the people, if that is that case then the little rights that black people  have today would of been accomplished alot sooner dont you think!?

The gonverment chooses who they want to listen to, if they know it will benefit them, and if they can  use what ever situation to their own advantage...

For example the situation with the herb..,..
We as the people want the herb to be legalized right?..and people of all nations not just britain...but will they legalize just because the people want it?
Give me a break ..... One of the main reasons why it wont be legalized as of yet is because the government would want to put tax on it to gain a profit!! and they cant do that because they cant control how it gets in and how it gets out... the herb is for the people....the herb is good for the people....but the government wont act in the best interest of the people..unless there is an interest  for them.

Things are being done as I write this post right now but...If th government have selective  hearing theres is not much the people can do.

bless
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: Rasta_Man_410 on June 15, 2006, 12:57:26 AM
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Of course, they are not the same people, but they are the same rulers. It is the same government, it is the same dictatorship.

As far as the war, if they support it just to keep good relations with the US, it makes the support even that much more evil in nature.

One

Jah bless


for that one,  it is NOT a dictatorship haha where did you hear that from, and you can't say it's a metaphor because it's false.

Another one from M-Dub  " Britain is one of the most evil empires ever in existence. They are the leader in technology that allows them to spy on their citizens. It is a government that supports the US and the invasion of Iraq. Evil."

Why wouldn't you want to keep tabs on your citizens? Cameras on street corners make it a safer, more secure place. You shouldn't be doing illegal things anyway.

Another quote " How easily some are fooled..."
That's very kind. Real liberal, kind, understanding words there bud.  [smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: Amandel on June 15, 2006, 09:42:37 PM
I guess we can conclude that British officials are pretty evil. You guys missed someone or an event. The British government applauded what Hitler was doing. Yup this might be new to some of you but "dutty bwoy" Churchill didn't like Jews infact he refused to help and not just the Brits, same can be said about The Netherlands and France.

I guess Britain wasn't bad, but good at something, which was (oops i meant IS), robbing, raping, killing, telling lies.
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: Amandel on June 15, 2006, 09:43:36 PM
PS I still resent the fact that in the 82th minute you got a goal and won  Trinidad & Tobago 2-0. [smiley=laugh.gif]
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: Soul-Jah on June 15, 2006, 10:55:33 PM
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I guess we can conclude that British officials are pretty evil. You guys missed someone or an event. The British government applauded what Hitler was doing. Yup this might be new to some of you but "dutty bwoy" Churchill didn't like Jews infact he refused to help and not just the Brits, same can be said about The Netherlands and France.

I guess Britain wasn't bad, but good at something, which was (oops i meant IS), robbing, raping, killing, telling lies.


whats your source for thease claims? a lot of british men lost their lives fighting against hitlers regieme so i find it odd you would imply that, on the other hand politricks is evil anyways so it wouldnt really suprise me after all a war is old rich people talking and poor young people dying

the point is your speaking on the ones in control not the everyday people, the ones in control are babylonians not britain or british people

its about time ones real eyes who the real enemies
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: Amandel on June 15, 2006, 11:02:36 PM
And since you were foolish enough not to read the other posts and see that i wrote mine in the same context then i guess you're not worthy of even getting my sources.

The post was about people in power, rulers of the nation etc....not about the common man that works hard so those same people in power can capitalize on his back. [smiley=kiss.gif]
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: Soul-Jah on June 16, 2006, 12:44:43 PM
not worthy of getting your sources [smiley=rolleyes.gif] or havent got any [smiley=tongue.gif]

i was actually agreeing with what you said, so i dont know why you got so hostile
maybe crouch and gerrard have something to do with it  [smiley=cheesy.gif]

on the real though i wasnt attacking you sister, its all good i hope [smiley=cry.gif]

be blessed
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: iron on June 17, 2006, 12:21:19 AM
'None has suffered more cruelly than the Jew the unspeakable evils wrought upon the bodies and spirits of men by Hitler and his vile regime. The Jew bore the brunt of the Nazi's first onslaught upon the citadels of freedom and human dignity. He has borne and continued to bear a burden that might have seen beyond endurance. He has not allowed it to break his spirit; he has never lost the will to resist. Assuredly in the day of victory the Jew's suffering and his part in the struggle will not be forgotten.'

Winston Churchill, 1941
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: Amandel on June 17, 2006, 12:30:01 PM
Iron_LIoness when you're using quotes please have a look at the date. That was Winston Churchill's speech after the war had already started. WHy don't you look up speeches of him before the war started, so back in the 30s.

And W.C was full of shyt if you ask me because he knew not only Jews were being murdered or tortured.
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: Amandel on June 17, 2006, 01:11:18 PM
Are you familiar with this speech then? At least in this one he praises Hitler, i'll only use a fraction of his speech so you can get an idea on what Churchill really is.

He says:' While all those formidable transformations (ideologies) were occuring in Europe, Corporal Hitler was fighting his long,wearing battle for the German heart. The story of that struggle cannot be read without admiration for the courage, the perseverance and the vital force which enabled him to challenge, defy, conciliate, or overcome all the authorities (law and institutions) or resistance' which barred his path.
He and the everincreasing legions who worked with him, certainly showed at this time, in their patriotic ardour and love of the the country,that there is nothing they would not dare, no sacrifice of life, limb or liberty that they would not make themselves or inflict upon their opponents'

Not to mention his sympathy for Mussolini.
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: Soul-Jah on June 17, 2006, 01:30:22 PM
source, date  [smiley=huh.gif]
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: iron on June 18, 2006, 01:07:12 AM
From the start of the persecution of the Jews in Germany, Churchill took the Jewish side of supporting a boycott of German goods, writing in 1937 of 'a perfectly legitimate use of their influence throughout the world to bring pressure, economic and financial, to bear upon the governments which persecute them'. After he became Prime Minister in 1940, Churchill opposed the prevention of Jewish refugees reaching Palestine, telling the Colonial office that the government had 'to be guided by sentiments of humanity towards those fleeing from the cruellest forms of persecution'. When his son Randolph drew his attention to the imminent deportation to Mauritius of 793 illegal refugees intercepted off Palestine, he immediately instructed his officials to allow them to remain there.

Taken from the BBC.

In fact, read the full thing here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/genocide/churchill_holocaust_01.shtml
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: iron on June 18, 2006, 01:52:35 AM
I believe that the speech quoted by PrinceZ had been made during the early 1920's, way before Hitler had become who he became. He was simply a well decorated soldier at that time.
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: paco on June 18, 2006, 02:12:31 AM
churchill authorized the use of chemical weapons against Arabs as experiment.

according to book Year 501, the conquest continues by Noam Chomsky--

In a people's history of the united states, howard zinn writes about churchill:

"that while Spanish rule was bad and the rebels had the support of the people, it would be better for Spain to keep control:

then zinn goes on to quote churchill:

"A grave danger represents itself. Two fifths of the insurgents in the field are negroes. These men...would, in the event of success, demand a predominant share in the government of the country...the result being, after years of fighting, another black republic."

now back to zinn:
"The reference to 'another' black republic meant Haiti, whose revolution against France in 1803 had led to the first nation run by blacks in the New World.
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: Amandel on June 18, 2006, 01:26:33 PM
Iron Lioness,

That speech was made in 1939.
I might just add that most people know Churchill as the liberal father of democracy or the model for government. But that's after WW2 when he shifted. He wasn't always that liberal. Do some research on his life before 1940, start from when he left the army (or was it navy or one of those other murder squad).
Title: Re: Britain, Not bad!
Post by: I-sciple. on March 13, 2017, 07:23:27 PM
Surely you are having a joke? Churchill the liberal father of demonocracy!