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Title: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: unknown on April 19, 2004, 10:34:39 PM
I am just starting to learn some about rasta.  I was raised christian but found my self angry at the judgemental nature of the church especially since my mother is a lesbian yet still firmly believes in and loves jah.  I could not listen to them condemn her any longer.  What is the rasta belief when it comes to issues of homosexuality.  I find rasta to be a lifestyle that I closely identify with and I would like to learn as much as possible.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Natty_Fred on April 19, 2004, 11:46:16 PM
Each to his own.

I don't agree but I won't condemn. Some people can't change who they are. Live and let live.

However soddemy is strongly condemned in the scriptures, as i'm sure you know.

goodnite!
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: NMGREEN on April 20, 2004, 12:04:05 AM
It shouldn't matter if someone is homesexual or not, its their life and they should be able to run it as they like. I am one who has no objections about it.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: new2rasta on April 20, 2004, 12:46:24 AM
i'm not rasta but i do know that you should look in leviticus it will tell you about homosexuality...and it's considered a sin and very wrong...but i agree w/ live and let live..but i still don't approve...
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Ryan on April 20, 2004, 01:23:53 AM
I dont think Jah would deny LOVE, but the actual sexual acts( i think you know what i mean) arent holy like sex should be. Sex is to bring two beings together that Jah created for eachother (man and woman) and to create new life. male and male dont create new life, female and female dont creat new life.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: conspiracytheory on April 20, 2004, 01:58:51 AM
To each his own, the bible of christ is no true source anyways

I find it unatural and disagree with it, but I can't and wont step into the lives of other people.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: ras_maxim on April 20, 2004, 08:28:25 AM
in russia we dont like homosexual
we call them pidor (in singular)
we have natural hatred to them similar like hatred to the ethnic groups
And i suppose its very unpleasant to suck dik and its very painful to fuk in the as  :-[
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: conspiracytheory on April 20, 2004, 11:51:00 AM
It makes you think how the nazis can give alll those speaches and all those marches after it.

...well, I suppose the skinheads get used to it after a while.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: TREE-NATTY on April 20, 2004, 04:01:11 PM
Well Unknown
I think people missed your question. And they refering to the bible about lesibian. The bible references to men as homosexual goes. But as far as women is a different thing to me. Look at it like this.
A woman=gives
A man= recieves
Chinese call this yin and yan. Polarity is also involved with this as well. If two beings that naturally gives out only are given to each other that nothing but POSTIVE energy flowing back and forth.

If the same to being naturally recieves they will recieve nothing and give nothing as wel. The bible calls this "nought".
A man has to be with a woman for that where he came from and she is his God/Godess. For a man to push a woman a side for relationships with a man is no energy flow"nought". A woman who with a woman also respects where she comes from and wants to be with other like her God/Godess. Two plus makes plus. Two minus makes more minus/nothing. So I feel it is alright for women to be together. But not for a man cause the energy of the universe doesn't exist between them only non-existed universe is created.

One
TREE-NATTY
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: rasta_dan on April 20, 2004, 11:28:41 PM
No offence but it was adam and eve not adam and steve. but if that is what makes her happy she should do it
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Amandel on April 21, 2004, 11:58:49 AM
Misgana

Don't know how many of you read the bible every single day.
Am anti-homosexuality am not going to say if it's makes you happy etc etc. I thinks it's wrong (my opinion).
It's about InI take a stand on certain things in life and stop trying to please the rest of the world. Your either pro or against it.

Walk in the Light
Empress_ez
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Zi0n on April 21, 2004, 12:11:53 PM
Some ppl believe (dont seh i do) that in the universe always 1 piece (man/woman) is a part of an other piece (man/woman) and sometimes it can be 2 men/2women. And other ppl say that in the old days (prehistoric) there wasn't no homosexuality but they are wrong, its proved there was. Even some animals do it sometimes, im talking about monkeys and some other animals. So I think homosexuality is just a part of the nature and in my opinion it should be excepted.

Ryan said:
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I dont think Jah would deny LOVE, but the actual sexual acts( i think you know what i mean) arent holy like sex should be. Sex is to bring two beings together that Jah created for eachother (man and woman) and to create new life. male and male dont create new life, female and female dont creat new life.


correct me if i'm wrong but maybe it isn't holy sex, but are you tryin to say sex from heteros is always holy? Most of the time it isn't about real love nor about creating new life. Maybe its ment to be, but most of the time it doesn't happen.
Respect

Jah Bless
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Ryan on April 21, 2004, 07:38:59 PM
Well i beleive its wrong when you have sex out of lust, dont you?
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Zi0n on April 21, 2004, 08:53:53 PM
yes thats what im trying to say, not only homosexuals do ;)

with all respect
Jah Bless
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: new2rasta on April 21, 2004, 11:41:13 PM
i think man and woman were created for reasons and i'm not trying to say its the "right" way but i think we're like puzzels perhaps thats a nice way of putting it and man and woman fit while the other way is just unnatural and just made to fit when it doesnt really...i think theres someone out there for everyone and i dont think theyre the same sex..and as for natty saying its ok for women but not for men...that just sounds like a guys attitude...it should be wrong for both not just one!
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Enlighten on April 22, 2004, 02:36:26 AM
Well, I think its wrong.I do not hate Homosexual people for everyone is equally..But  I dont accept thier opinion on what they do.

JAh Bless.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: jah_rastaman on April 22, 2004, 03:39:29 AM
iani dont think that people should be let to live their life, nah matter if they homosexual, if ya love somebody and they love you back its a good thing. but if you dont like homosexuals then leave them alone , dont take it into your hands to do something to them , leave them alone and let them do what they will.  its like trying to force someone not to smoke ganja they do it of ther own will and you should not try to change that.  
JAH BLESS
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: ArkI on April 22, 2004, 03:40:23 AM
Greetings,

RasTafarI is a trod of Life, not death.  So I and I have no part in homosexuality.  Other people can do what they choose, just as I and I can do as we choose.  So if a next man or woman choose death and ends their line, then it is their choice to make.

Leviticus 20
13   If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

When it says their blood shall be upon them.  I see that as saying that they put theirself to death, their blood is on their own hands.  

I and I can have no part in that, because I and I trod is Life.  I see my Life as the same as my Father's and Mother's Life. I don't see my Life as beginning when this flesh came out of I mother. I see I Life as beginning when Jah created Life.

And I see that all of my ancestors since the beginning of time, have Itinued their Life by fighting to survive and having children to Itinue their Line.

So to I it is a shame when I hear people choosing not to have children, because of their lifestyle or any other reason. It is a great disrespect to all their foreparents who have Itinued this Life for so very long.

Just think of how many centuries have past since I and I Life began. So many centuries of struggling to Itinue this Life. Then one selfish generation comes and only sees their Life as born and dead, and give up what their foreparents fought so hard to keep.

If Jah strikes a man or woman so that they cannot have children, then this is Jah's doing. But if a man or woman chooses this, it is a great sin, and Jah will not turn his eyes away from this.

Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Zi0n on April 22, 2004, 06:47:07 AM
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and as for natty saying its ok for women but not for men...that just sounds like a guys attitude...it should be wrong for both not just one!


yes if he would have said it like that...but he gave a large explination for it...
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Zi0n on April 22, 2004, 06:50:13 AM
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If Jah strikes a man or woman so that they cannot have children, then this is Jah's doing. But if a man or woman chooses this, it is a great sin, and Jah will not turn his eyes away from this.

I agree, but do yu mean like punishments?
Respect

Jah Bless
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: ArkI on April 22, 2004, 04:14:32 PM
Greetings,

What I mean is that Jah is the God of the Living, not the Dead.  So only the Living will be accepted into the Book of Life, not those that choose death.

Jah has created Nature to work together in harmony, but when people go against this harmony, it upsets the balance and nature reacts.  Since the act is unnatural and unclean, sexual diseases spread more quickly and easily.  I don't really see this as punishment, it is just the natural reaction to the action.

Ark I
RasTafarI
Haile Selassie I
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Zi0n on April 22, 2004, 04:16:49 PM
ah I see, thanks for the info..i agree

Jah Bless
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Amandel on April 22, 2004, 04:24:05 PM
Misgana

Blessings brethren Ark I, seems like InI are the only ones that take a firm stand on this issue.

Walk in the Light
Empress_ez
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: RasLionheart on April 22, 2004, 06:06:28 PM
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Lev. 18
[22] Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

1Cor.6
[9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

But let us not forget this:
John. 8
[7] He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone

Matt.19
[19] Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself


So according to the Bible homosexuality is wrong...but who are we to judge seen? Judge not....

Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: TREE-NATTY on April 22, 2004, 07:33:08 PM
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..and as for natty saying its ok for women but not for men...that just sounds like a guys attitude...it should be wrong for both not just one!


It not a guys attitude I explain that is a universal fashion and all you got out of it was "it a guys opinion (attitude)". Wow how else should I put it if the universal explaination is taken so lightly?

One
TREE-NATTY
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: new2rasta on April 23, 2004, 08:06:37 PM
Lev. 18
[22] Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.


thats what i was referring to natty...lev.18 it says also womankind so do not try to make excuses about women..and the universal explanation...i know you gave reasoning for your opinion and i gave you mine...and i know that one of you is going to say something that the bible is babylonians tool and that we shouldnt take to heart everything...but if you do not then what are you believing in? just what suits your ideas and needs?
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Ryan on April 23, 2004, 10:37:06 PM
Do you mean its accepted by society because if you do, i agree, people seem to like the thought of it.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Raptor on April 24, 2004, 01:05:23 AM
I donot care what other people do, it's their life, soul and body. I would never do something like that, I donot understand why one would like to.

I stand with Ark I, he's made a very good point there.

One Love
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: MICHAEL on April 24, 2004, 03:50:43 AM
Iman agree with members........ "Raptor "........" stephanie"...."new2rasta"........"empressEZ"...
and " ArkI "..............

it really comes down to Iself what InI call LIVITY

that all bredren an sistaw has a right to be happy with their life

peace
Imanity

Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Zi0n on April 24, 2004, 05:16:10 PM
I cannot actually have an opinion on this cause I dont feel what homosexual people feel, i cannot imagine, but i know what it is to love a woman, and if its the same for them when they love someone of the same sexe, we cant judge/blame them or force them to stop the love. And about sexual activities i cannot judge, maybe its not ment to be, but there are many things 'not meant to be', who are we to judge about that ???

Jah Bless
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Ras Alto on April 24, 2004, 06:37:07 PM
I think its not about judging them for the Love they give to each other. But its about judging their sexual activities. I have to agree with Ark I. JAH is the GOD of LIFE and not of DEATH. No one considers them to be inferior or less human.

JAH LOVE
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Ras on April 24, 2004, 07:34:21 PM
Bless Up

wat to say, sex me thinks we are drawn together by Jah to coninue our human race thing, so there for it is a biological thing happening, so same sex make nosence for this. then spirital Jah draws us also on this spirit thing for our souls to find peace in man, so same sex no matter as it no sex but spirital.
now if it is spirital sex then maybe it ok me no know.

one love
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Zi0n on April 24, 2004, 08:36:38 PM
yes i guess youre right, but i can probably understand that homosexuals want to have sex/such as many ppl want it out of lust, im not saying i think thats good, but in that way homosexuals are equal to many sraights
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Ras on April 24, 2004, 09:38:59 PM
Bless Up

Indeed lust sex is one thing almost all people can turn to, InI am looking at this as relationship an so look at a spirital reasoning.
Maybe as I say me no know, If we are the same then yes InI understand an if not then me no know.

one love
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Ryan on April 25, 2004, 01:02:34 AM
Most homosexuals dont just happen to find a male (or woman) and fall in love, they LOOK for the same sex because of the pysical attraction they have.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Ras on April 25, 2004, 05:11:27 PM
Bless Up

Yes pysical attraction will of course guide us, but isnt this Jah wish an part of our instinct?

Me no know for sure

one love
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Rebenga on May 30, 2004, 07:08:06 PM
I don't have a problem with someone loving, engaging in sexual intercourse, or "Laying". There actions don't effect me. I belive if they find love in a man, or a woman, it should not matter.  

The Lev statement I have trouble with. I find that just because someone wrote his feelings down about it, that it should command all of humanity for the rest of eternity? Because this one man feels the way he does, that he should condemn and not accept a man for what he is? I don't belive in that.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: I ELIJAH I on May 30, 2004, 09:41:27 PM
the bible is a code to life, its not "just one mans opinin"
Tree by the way I think that a Man gives and a woman recives.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: rasrossi on June 01, 2004, 04:18:47 PM
I man RasRossi saw this Topic and got perplexed,what is Homosexual and Lesbian,i saw all the replies so far and all were in order,why is it that some of us find it hard to differentiate right from wrong,someone mentioned about the real act of sex...am not been nude or rude.From my own point of view,Homosexual is a sin and most be condemned no matter who and who get into it,i man do not care what will be other people's opinion but trusting Jah and believing in him i think i have every right to be outspoken when i see Evil roaming the street of Judah.Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed by Jah cos of Evil and Homosexuality was one part of it.It is a Sin and as a true Rasta,i man consider it evil..an evil act,we all have to pray to Jah to forgive any brother involved in it.It is a sin for a man to go for a man...Bob said it in one of his messages...Man to man...It is so unjust....
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: ThreeLittleBirds on June 03, 2004, 12:20:54 AM
I'm new here. I just wanted to say to Ryan that I'm a lesbian. I didn't go looking for women at first. I just happened to fall in love with one and suddenly everything seemed to fit. I had a boyfriend when I met my current girlfriend (and so did she) and together we figured out what we had both been missing.

I believe that Love is Love no matter what form it takes. Since the beginning of history both animals and people have had homosexuals as part of their population and if Jah didn't want it that way (or accept it) it wouldn't have been that way



Everything is gonna be alright
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Rebenga on June 03, 2004, 12:47:05 AM
Agreed 100%.

I mean not to offend any of you, but I'm proud of this girl for her to admit this in a place where there is a good amount of homophobia.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: RasLionheart on June 03, 2004, 06:31:39 AM
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I'm new here. I just wanted to say to Ryan that I'm a lesbian. I didn't go looking for women at first. I just happened to fall in love with one and suddenly everything seemed to fit. I had a boyfriend when I met my current girlfriend (and so did she) and together we figured out what we had both been missing.

I believe that Love is Love no matter what form it takes. Since the beginning of history both animals and people have had homosexuals as part of their population and if Jah didn't want it that way (or accept it) it wouldn't have been that way



Everything is gonna be alright


Certainly not to offend you, but how do you feel about the quotes in the Bible that are against homosexuality? A friend of mine is gay and he can't live with those bible-passages and they're making him crazy 'cause he does believe in God, but he says he 's born gay and it's not his fault. On the other hand I heard a gay on tv saying that he will always stay single, so he can't sin against the will of God. BTW both of these man I'm talking about were christians, no rastas.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: ThreeLittleBirds on June 03, 2004, 04:25:41 PM
Thank you Rebengas, what you said meant a lot... mostly because I did have to think about it for a while before I decided to post on this subject.

OleGallis, I wasn't raised religious, just spiritual. I've never read the Bible in depth and I don't think that if a god created us that he or she blames us for the way we were created. And I think that never allowing yourself to love is denying the life that the god you believe created you meant for you to have. You are throwing away one of the greatest gifts that Jah, God, the Goddess, or whoever you believe in gave us all... Love.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: RasLionheart on June 03, 2004, 09:49:58 PM
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OleGallis, I wasn't raised religious, just spiritual. I've never read the Bible in depth and I don't think that if a god created us that he or she blames us for the way we were created. And I think that never allowing yourself to love is denying the life that the god you believe created you meant for you to have. You are throwing away one of the greatest gifts that Jah, God, the Goddess, or whoever you believe in gave us all... Love.


Thanks that clears something up for me.

ONE LOVE
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: ThreeLittleBirds on June 04, 2004, 03:50:05 PM
No problem... I just hope I didn't offend you or your friend.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: bocablonde on June 05, 2004, 01:43:49 AM
Three...both my moms have been together for 25 + years...I am straight with 3 kids...seperated from their father after 14 years...Not looking for anything in a relationship at the moment...Just trying to figure out what is best for me & kids.  Am completely at ease following rasta life and found some friends along the way.  I only hope that you can find happiness, love, and peace with yourself and your mate...no matter who that is.  No one can tell you what is right for you except for you.  Jah rule girl!

Peace
Leah
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: RasLionheart on June 05, 2004, 07:00:18 AM
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No problem... I just hope I didn't offend you or your friend.


Hm I'll see him in a few weeks and I'll reason with him on this. 'cause it's very hard for him. And yes maybe I am against homosexuality on biblical basis...but who can be against love? you got a point there...it's a confusing subject, for me as a heterosexual, so it must certainly be for you. May JAH guide you! ONE LOVE
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: rasbongo on June 05, 2004, 07:11:16 PM
HOMOSEXUALITY AND RASTAFARI?

black people in general are one of the most anti-homo in the world... and you can count me in that crowd.

then you bring the rastas in that mix , no way rasta gaan accept homos, not any true rastas i know of anyway.

secondly i will point you to a song by buju banton, boom bye bye inna batty boy head.

i dont condone or accept homosexuality period, un-natural and unhealthy.

love and inity.
selah-see-I

Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Rebenga on June 05, 2004, 07:45:38 PM
How is it, rasbongo, that you can say love, while being intolerant of it? I find this to be hypocrytical.....
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: rasbongo on June 05, 2004, 08:38:52 PM
you missed the boat rebenga,

i said i dont condone or accept it, its un-natural and unhealthy.

i never said i hate anyone.,, i mon love all people.

i just dont accept or condone homosexuality.

love and inity.

selah-see-I
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: ThreeLittleBirds on June 05, 2004, 10:02:05 PM
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Hm I'll see him in a few weeks and I'll reason with him on this. 'cause it's very hard for him. And yes maybe I am against homosexuality on biblical basis...but who can be against love? you got a point there...it's a confusing subject, for me as a heterosexual, so it must certainly be for you. May JAH guide you! ONE LOVE



It was really confusing at first and still is sometimes. Thankfully I have friends who love me (and my family thinks its a phase so they don't bother me too much about it.) I hope your friend finds whatever way is right for him. I'm sorry that he suffers with this so much. I just hope that he can find a way to be happy and enjoy the life he has been given to the fullest. That's really what it's all about, I think.
ONE LOVE
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: ThreeLittleBirds on June 05, 2004, 10:08:01 PM
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HOMOSEXUALITY AND RASTAFARI?

black people in general are one of the most anti-homo in the world... and you can count me in that crowd.

then you bring the rastas in that mix , no way rasta gaan accept homos, not any true rastas i know of anyway.

secondly i will point you to a song by buju banton, boom bye bye inna batty boy head.

i dont condone or accept homosexuality period, un-natural and unhealthy.

love and inity.
selah-see-I
 


While I respect your thoughts on the subject I don't think you can speak for all the "true rastas". It seems that there are quite a few people here that don't feel the same way as you, to have kept this discussion going for so long. Also if it isn't natural then why are there documented studies of there being homosexual animals  in almost every species on this planet? Did they choose to be attracted to their own gender or were they created that way? And if they were created that way then how can it be unnatural?
ONE LOVE
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: ThreeLittleBirds on June 05, 2004, 10:14:25 PM
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you missed the boat rebenga,

i said i dont condone or accept it, its un-natural and unhealthy.

 i never said i hate anyone.,, i mon love all people.

i just dont accept or condone homosexuality.

love and inity.

selah-see-I


Rasbongo, you seem to be the one that "missed the boat". By not accepting homosexuality (I don't ask that you condone it) you don't accept love. Because that is what homosexuality is all about. Love. I can have sex with a man, but then of course so can you. It wouldn't make you gay, though because you can no more fall in love with a man than I can. It's just the way I'm made.  And by refusing to accept that you are refusing to accept love just because it takes a different form than your own.  There's no need for you to condone it, but I would ask that you try to accept it (since you are a "true rasta" and therefore accepting of love)
ONE LOVE
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: rasbongo on June 05, 2004, 10:15:49 PM
isnt humans suppose to be better than animals, are we to equate human behavior with animal behavior?

animals also have sex with their mothers, should this also be an accepted practice amongst humans?

animals have no boundaries, and i dont think as humans this is how we want to live..


so the animal analogy is way off, come better..

love and inity.

selah-see-I
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: ThreeLittleBirds on June 05, 2004, 10:16:03 PM
PS. If someone could tell me how to put multiple quotes on the same post it would probably save me a lot of time  :) thanks!
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: ThreeLittleBirds on June 05, 2004, 10:38:53 PM
whether we're better or worse than animals is irrelevant. I used the analogy to point out that it's a chemically dictated characteristic, not a choice, and therefore part of how we were made.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: ThreeLittleBirds on June 05, 2004, 10:44:26 PM
also, since you're here Rasbongo how is it unhealthy?
ONE LOVE
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Rebenga on July 11, 2004, 05:15:27 PM
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

I realized something. This is impossible. Men don't have the same anatomy as a women, so how can he lie as he would with a woman. (This next part is quite crude, just to let you know)

If a man lies with a woman, that means insertion into her vagina. How can a man do this with another man? Man does not have a vagina. The common sexual practice with gay men is insertion of the penis into the anal cavity.  Yes, you could have that with a woman, but I don't think that was was intended by the word "lie" I could be wrong though, maybe they did have heterosexual anal sex in biblical times.

Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Daniel on July 11, 2004, 05:48:54 PM
Ravizza:
I&I think the bible is not talking about any specifics, just the sexual act in general, just being a tad more subtle than your description.

Here...  passing the soap...
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: gunep on July 12, 2004, 09:14:57 AM
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I dont think Jah would deny LOVE, but the actual sexual acts( i think you know what i mean) arent holy like sex should be. Sex is to bring two beings together that Jah created for eachother (man and woman) and to create new life. male and male dont create new life, female and female dont creat new life.


i'm agree with this, but you cant deny that two women or men loving together want to make each lover max of satisfaction of her/his needs. every man have passion (if its a right word). why JAH created passion?
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Daniel on July 12, 2004, 01:08:17 PM
...to reward those who overcome?
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: ThreeLittleBirds on July 13, 2004, 03:25:09 AM
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...to reward those who overcome?

Do you think that Love is a temptation to be overcome? I think that it's a gift. Passion isn't the only reason for homosexual sex. It's about love just as often as it is with heteros.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Daniel on July 13, 2004, 08:37:10 AM
No sister, I&I was talking about the sexual act. Many people of today are confused about sex & love. Sex should be a holy act of creation, which is simply not possible for two people of the same gender. Sex is widely misused in these days, I&I see some connection between that and the widespread pleasure-seeking phenomenon of today.

Sex and love is two majorly different things. The Bible say to love your neighbor as yourself. That does not mean that I&I should masturbate and have sex with I&I neighbor does it?

If two people of the same gender wants to live together and share their life and help each other in their love for the Father, that is perfectly fine, that is like the start of a monastery, but to introduce sex is clearly abomination.

Instead of looking for a 'partner' who can satisfy your pleasure-needs you should look to Jah Almighty and try to be close to him, sight?

Jah guide
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: ThreeLittleBirds on July 15, 2004, 11:15:05 PM
So basically become a nun? That's my choice as a lesbian? I feel that I would be denying JAH's greatest gift, love. That would be the abomination, not experiencing love in the form that comes as naturally to me as loving people of the opposite gender does to you.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: greentheheart on July 16, 2004, 08:51:11 AM
My personal opinion on the matter is that people should love all one another man or women. The bond between man and women is as important as the bond between man and man and man and women.

Some say it is unnatural, but I beleive this to be untrue. Think about it....how to both sexex climax? rubbing together, bibrations which stimulate certain sensors that go off after enough stimulation. All sexual acts are based on this physical premise, and I equate sex between man/women, women/women, man/man all in this category, all a type of massage, which is very natural. look to nature, there are many homosexual animals. It is very natural, because men have sensors in their anus that go off with stimulation, ect.

To me, sexual massage is a good way for two people, nomatter there sexual preference, to connect there loving energys together.

But, there is a difference between child birth and sexual massage. Child birth is in itself, I would say, a sacred thing. I would not say it is a "higher" thing than sexual massage, just something on a different level that can be hard for homosexuals to participate in, but this is just do to the way our civilization is set-up. I think all can participate in the sacredness of child birth, including homosexuals, even if they don't practice heterosexual sex, as long as everyone has love in their hearts and the right intentions.

So yes, I don't see anything wrong with homosexuality, except for the aspect of how in our culture now people have let it divide us. I say stop looking at things as being so divided. The idea of homosexuality is a human perception. Homosexuality is just as natural as heterosexuality, it's all human nature. The bible says it is wrong, but the bible has been tainted by the hand of man, remember that.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: greentheheart on July 16, 2004, 08:53:10 AM
TO interject into the second sentence: and women and women.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: moonfall on July 29, 2004, 04:25:02 PM
im not gay but i love all of my guy friends  but that is a diffrent kind of love. i also love my girlfriend but thats is so much of a stronger love than anything in the world if anyone can relate. i feel if your happy with wat you have being man or woman i think that it is fine to be whatever you want as long as your happ im happy.


keep the peace
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: ThreeLittleBirds on July 29, 2004, 07:22:37 PM
I can relate. I've always connected better and had more meaningful relationships with women than with men. As friends as well as lovers.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: niceporch on August 02, 2004, 02:08:23 AM
i think i'm about 25% gay.

Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: GanjaBreedGyul on August 03, 2004, 05:35:26 AM
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No sister, I&I was talking about the sexual act. Many people of today are confused about sex & love. Sex should be a holy act of creation, which is simply not possible for two people of the same gender. Sex is widely misused in these days, I&I see some connection between that and the widespread pleasure-seeking phenomenon of today.

Sex and love is two majorly different things. The Bible say to love your neighbor as yourself. That does not mean that I&I should masturbate and have sex with I&I neighbor does it?

If two people of the same gender wants to live together and share their life and help each other in their love for the Father, that is perfectly fine, that is like the start of a monastery, but to introduce sex is clearly abomination.

Instead of looking for a 'partner' who can satisfy your pleasure-needs you should look to Jah Almighty and try to be close to him, sight?

Jah guide


I agree with everything that you have to say ...
I am "homophobic" ....don't come 'round me with ya gay self ..Imma tell u that I don't like ..I would say normal pleasantries like "good morning" etc ..but that's it ! I do not in anyway condone this gay thing ..it is wrong !!!
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: chukerz on August 03, 2004, 06:51:13 AM
i dunno, i kinda think it should be up to ppl to though. anyway, how can u help who your attracted to, are you saying they should supress there feelings and be alone? I dont think its up to us to judge ppl.

Peace
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: RasRaulik on August 06, 2004, 04:52:02 AM
what you is is what u is and you can't  change what you are especially your sexuality. i must admit i am a homophobic, but it is not the rasta way to judge things we cant change. Only Jah can judge what he made validly and Jah don't make anything bad.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: RasRaulik on August 07, 2004, 01:33:26 AM
Knowledge,
well what can i say? You are wise and you do have a very valid point there. You are absolutley correct. We do have a right to make righteous judgements.I know it might sound like i'm contradicting myself but what i MEANT was we SHOULD  RESPECT everyone no matter what race creed or sexulaity.

This is very hard for me to say because i have alot of disgust for batty bwoys and the revolting things they do. But why bother criticising if we can't change them. we should be criticising greater injustices in the world instead of wasting all of our energy judging people coz of there differences.( everyone is different.)

still i respect your views and i keep my own.

Peace and Jah blessings I-tinualy ;)
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: RasRaulik on August 07, 2004, 05:47:18 AM
woah you are very knowlegeable!
Respect to you Idren
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: african_herbsman on September 25, 2005, 09:40:23 AM
i tink you should be how you want to be
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Amandel on March 12, 2006, 02:51:13 PM
Took me a while to respond to this thread, because homosexuality doesn't concern me to the point for me to discuss. So i'll be brief.

-I respect homosexuality but i don't accept it.
-The word love is too often misused, hence the problem of so many people confusing the seuxaul act (whatever form) with love.
-I don't believe in the word tolerable, it's a fallacy, you either accept/ respect something or you don't.
- Homophobic has nothing to do with hate, look up the word phobic. And for the person that said blacks are the most homophobic, people all over the world, no matter colour or class don't accept that lifestyle.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: empress_mimi on March 12, 2006, 05:32:27 PM
i believe that it is wrong,NATURALLY, MORALLY AND BIBLICALLY WRONG.SORRY for who dont like it.nowadays they are teaching our kids in schools that it is ok, its almost like its the in thing. you hear little 13 year olds running around saying im gay, les, bi whatever,i would not however end a friendship over something like this but im not taking back my talk.its wrong- my opinion [smiley=sad.gif]
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Positive_Vibration on March 12, 2006, 05:39:37 PM
In the militant & closing words of Empress Carla (not trying to target you out, sistren) --- "Rastafari does not support homosexuality. Period."
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: rastaman on April 08, 2006, 11:59:33 AM
Iman feel homosexuality is wrong, they can not bring new life into the world is one of I points, the other is the disgusting in which they shown there "love".This is just I veiw.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: matticus on April 20, 2006, 09:52:15 PM
I thought Rastafari were the most chilled out, laid back, accepting people in the world until i read this topic.

It pains me to see people sending out negativity towards others because of their Biological creation. It seems the negative people on here have it the wrong way round, it is not a choice to become homosexual, we are made that way genetically.

It is in becoming Rastafari that there is a choice.

If you believe in Jah's infallibility then you must overstand that he creates men and women to become homosexual, personally i do not believe, i am only here to learn and overstand your beliefs.

I am sorry that my first post here must be to reason against you but i see ill logic in your reasoning: just because homosexuals are not creating life does not mean that they are choosing death. They are merely running the course of their lives without producing babies, but even this is becoming more acceptable and accessible every day - gay and lesbian couples now have the ability to make a child with the aid of technology (with artificial insemination and other such advances) and so, they are no longer "choosing death" they are merely taking a different path to you and I.

I think we all overstand the importance of taking differing paths, without choice, without liberalism and acceptance the world would not be the place it is today, even the Rastafari may not be here.

these are my words, and i stand by them, please reply and tell me your feelings.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Herbalist_rasta on April 22, 2006, 01:54:46 PM
Not a Rasta but In my own opinion...what JAH gave us we must accept, for it has reasons.. but we do all have freedom to choose our  own path, its up to Jah to judge us., HIM has the right to judge us and not us Human beings because I-man believe we are all equal.. Leave it to Jah...


One Love
JAH bless
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Ganja on April 22, 2006, 02:26:20 PM
I dont hate homosexuals, i dont judge them because of their sexual preferences, i see them as human beings, but still it is a genetical disfunction, alteration that leads to this.

I belive that evrybody has the right to choose the path they want to tread on. So go and dread on.  
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Samson on April 23, 2006, 02:03:18 PM
I KNOW that it is wrong, NATURALLY, MORALLY AND BIBLICALLY!!!I am NOT SORRY for who ever is offended. Jah put fire & brimstone pan Sodom and Gomorrah [smiley=angry.gif]
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: matticus on April 26, 2006, 03:29:53 PM
how do you know these things? how does anyone know anything?

the way i see it - it is unnatural to hate, or be negative. we should accept the way people are, their choices and their lifestyles. Before we adopted a religion which said it was wrong to act on natural sexual impulses nobody minded who they slept with, thousands of years ago there was no sexuality, only sex.

a lot of our morals are founded in contrived, outdated ideas. the time has come to move on, become enlightened and accepting.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: searching_for_Zion on April 28, 2006, 03:58:34 PM
Man and Wombman were made for a reason. If the Almighty wanted InI to have homosexuality then he would only have made man or only have made wombman. . The combination of the two, Wombman and Man allow there to be an Iverlasting circle of life, seen. Homosexuality is an abombination unto Jah because if  two people are "gay" then they are not contributing to the Iverlasting Circle, it also, in my opinion, displays lust not love.
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Many people around where I live have "come out of the closet" so to speak. Alot of youth are saying they are gay because they think its a more accepting society or because its a cool thing to do.  Should InI accept people for who they are? Of course because thats who they are and  some people cannot help the fact they think a certain way or act a certain way, being a homsexual is a sin and it IS wrong, IT WAS WRITTEN.  but InI can only control InI own thoughts and actions not those of another though they sin InI should still love our "homo" sisters and brothers, let Jah Jah be the one to judge, and decide when that time comes.

  Continue to walk the path of the Righteous
  Blessings to all.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: matticus on April 29, 2006, 12:14:03 PM
thank you for giving such a reasoned, clear opinion without preaching or prejudice. *praise*

you are a wise person Searching For Zion and although i don't agree with you, i respect you.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Oskar on April 29, 2006, 12:33:33 PM
Yea, which applies straight on the topic. Anyone is free to choose as he/she wants but there are always consequences and it is for that person to experience that which is chosen by own free will.

If ones can not overstand the meaning of abuse feel free to reason on the issue.

I can give it a start...

Which would be worse, abusing someone else or abusing oneself?

Would you choose to commit bigger crime to prevent someone else from doing a lesser one when Jah already take care of action-reaction response within nature.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Malabar_Trini on May 27, 2006, 12:51:01 PM
TREE-NATY. It's the other way around. "A WOMAN RECEIVES. A MAN GIVES."
Bless!
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: HolyHerb on May 27, 2006, 10:01:14 PM
I&I belive that homosexuality is a diasease, it's a mental problem caused by babylon.  After all Babylon is confussion.  I dont hate anyone, I know that Im not sin free to pass judgement on my brothers and sisters that choose to lead a homosexual lifestyle.  But JAH did burn Sodom and Gomorrah with his holy cleansing fire for practicing homosexuality.  JAh looks down upon such acts, he made Man and Wombman.  Homosexuality or being bisexual is mere lust and lust is a sin.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: herbsman on May 29, 2006, 10:33:50 PM
HTP...!!!

Blessings on all Man and Womb-Man.!

RegardLess of how I feel as a Man let everyone be happy in their life = LIVITY

I as a Man feel that is not right. It I feel is not moraly correct.

I will talk and reason with all yet I must tell da truth of I emotions.

I despise da homosexual.

A.u.Sneb

MICHAEL
da HAMMER
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Rastalivity on June 04, 2006, 08:27:07 PM
I know Rasta who disagree with homosexual ideology.

Them think Batty Boy is genocide to human race. How can man reproduce (his sole purpose) if we condone and ideology of same sex?

I don't hate, but i do not premote idea, nor do i like dem batty boy.

Boom bye bye in a batty boy head. Rudeboy no premote dem nasty man dem hafi dead.  [smiley=lipsrsealed.gif]
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: ilioness on June 13, 2006, 09:41:24 PM
I have only read a few of the replies. But here is my input anyhow. I personally think homosexuality is a choice. A choice that I believe is not the best choice. There are debates about it being a hormonal imbalance and such and such and such. I will not encourage homosexuality but nor will I judge one who chooses to live that lifestyle. I am only a human being living on the earth through Jah. So I cannot judge because that is left up to the Jah. It may sound somewhat contradictory but I frown upon homosexuality but at the same time I cannot condemn one for it. Its somewhat a sticky subject for me. I find its adding to the corruption in the world and it is just wrong but again I cannot and will not by any means judge a man/woman because of their sexual orientation or by anything at all for that matter. Because at the end of the day no man can EVER judge I so I in turn can not judge any man. I think my response is a bit confusing but you get the jist of what Im saying.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Love_Sponge on June 19, 2006, 02:20:11 PM
I have recently found out that my step dad is ga and after he has had a past of doing things a man should not i have now realised that yes to an extend it is wrong but then again so is all pornography. Some people i do believe are born with a certain DNA gene that you can see in them when they are childern but there are those who like to over expose it and rub it in pur faces which is wrong, when you are homosexual it is apart of your life it is not a choice, it only becomes a choice because it is advertised alot and people without guidance are weak.

Those who are born with it and it is a part of them i respect for they get on with their life and they dont prance aroung like fairies spreading the 'good' news, but those who are not born with it i pray for them that they find Jah for to condemn or hate or disregard is wrong.

This is my opinion and it helps me to deal with certain aspects of life.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Freedom on July 03, 2006, 12:44:06 PM
Greetings,

Homosexuality in my view isnt wrong neither is it right. I find this subject very confusing at time due to i am straight and etc. I am not homophobic, one of my best friends is homosexual but i do have borders with him. I treat him like my brother but if he ever came on to me I will go spare (i think this is fair enough). What i dont understand is, Jah gave us everything we need yes... so why do males have G-Spots in their backsides :s lol

Jah Bless
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: SlyOne on July 03, 2006, 09:42:25 PM
Personally i have 2 gay friends, so obviously i have nothing against it. I believe that being gay isn't in the genes, but is in the growing up of the person. When people say being gay is in their dna i'm waiting for them to find the one which effects sexuality. Until there is a proven hetro/homo dna piece/pieces i'm sticking with it being to the childhood of the person.

As i think everybody says (at least in my area) "Only problem i have with gays is when they come onto me" if they don't do that (creeped the fuck outta me) s'alright

One love
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: faith on July 10, 2006, 07:55:44 PM
i am strongly against gay marriges especcialy wen they adopt children
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: rastarasta on July 10, 2006, 11:59:53 PM
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Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Pretty bad really! Homosexuality = no reproduction = end of Imanity.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Kama_Sutra on July 11, 2006, 04:08:05 PM
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Pretty bad really! Homosexuality = no reproduction = end of Imanity.


How so?  Only a minority of the world's population is gay.

Many gays are married to an opposite gender spouse and have children also, especially in areas where homosexuality is not socially-culturally accepted.  
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: rastarasta on July 11, 2006, 10:26:30 PM
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How so?  Only a minority of the world's population is gay
Homosexuality = no reproduction = end of Imanity.

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Many gays are married to an opposite gender spouse and have children also, especially in areas where homosexuality is not socially-culturally accepted.
And this justifies something? Homosexuality (When applied as an ideology for mankind) = no reproduction = end of Imanity. Whilst I can accept that there are gay people on this planet, and I bear them no animosity, the question was "How do Rastas feel about homosexuality". That question has been answered, more than once on this forum.
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: geniespice89 on October 18, 2010, 11:10:26 PM
being gay is not a disease and your are definitely not born gay! i hate when people say that! im not much of a believer in science even though im a nurse myself but it hasn't even been scientifically. kids nowadays belive that being gay is cool now and kids tend to follow trends well at least this generation, a bunch of followers i dont hate gays i respect them as every person should be respected, doesn't mean i need to agree with them.   since i was little my family talked about how much the world was gunna change so im not surprised at all the way this world is going
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: midnight_raver on January 02, 2011, 09:41:50 PM
Blessed love,

I am a young black man of 21 living in the Caribbean.  I am not so concerned with how rastas feel about homosexuality as much as how a man who has desire for other men is supposed to free himself of the cycle of lust and destruction that defines gay love (at least in my experience).  I was always kind of soft as a young boy but my earliest memories are of loving women, a love which persists but has become bottled inside me.  Somehow over the years I feel I have fed confusion in my mind.  In my vain imaginings i am slowly destroying my soul.  I want to find a way to love and peace. . . but I am lost in a web of lies, lust and despair.  I feel I have chosen this path but I was not aware of making the choice - it seemed only that I was feeding a need for pleasure.  Now I am beginning to understand the spiritual consequences of my actions.  A fire in my body is consuming my mind and i am no longer happy with the path I walk on.  My days have become dark and my soul is diminished and in pain.  I seek any words of wisdom that may help me find a way to the heavenly sanctuary in Zion.  Is salvation possible or do I struggle in vain. . .
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: nadelle on February 03, 2013, 09:20:08 AM
It is in no way my intent to offend here but; i may be just confused, but i frequently find arguements accorss all religions against homosexuality, and there never seems to be any greater justification than god hates them, so here your saying that they can not contribute to life but would that mean someone who lives life alone and does not contribute to life's cycle is lso sinning despite being straight, also another arguement against this is that this world is massively overpopulated.
someone said, though maybe on a different forum that some people are more asseciable to homosexuality but in my experience there are some people that were clearly born gay or at very least they were feminised from birth to the point that you gotta think well this is natural, i think also the implication of saying it is a choice is to say that anyone could be either at will and in my experience this has not been the case, it seems that some people can only enjoy one or the other, and whilist i agree that there is a difference between love and lust surely there must be some overlap between the two; as if you don't lust some one you love the sexual part of the relationship would surely be quite unplessant. .
 so you know it's not that my intent is to offend, i haven't taken offence to some of what you have said more to enquire if my soul is in danger, why is it? and what can i do to redeme myself, as i have tried hetrosexuality with no success, it seems to be that i'm fighting my own nature and this is causing me great stress and even mental illness, my quuestion really is; is they're any grounding of jah's dislike of the homosexual that is a bit more than simply it's sin, lust, don't repopulate, when it actually seems like from at very least my expierience to be not the case?
Title: Re: how do rastas feel about homosexuality
Post by: Oskar on February 03, 2013, 07:21:58 PM
no, god don't hate them. he is only trying to teach about the original purpose. surely there are rudeboys that lust to do badness. it is not wise to follow every lust. if the i go the other way the i may not be there when the right one show up. the i don't want a real family, only want to play house? i'm sure there are plenty people that stay in a relationship simply because they are afraid to be alone or budging because of pressure from family or what not. feel free to love the people. there are plenty things going on, no need to sex it up.

personally i believe that every person, man or woman, have masculine and feminine qualities inside. if the i is a man that fall for the masculine, why not get together with a masculine woman? i think these people are looking for excuses to not do what is right because they are afraid to commit to the real thing and rather like the attention they get from being a shocker.

and as a side note since the i mentioned it. i don't think homosexuals is the answer to overpopulation. getting people out of poverty and improving health care has proven to reduce family size. there is no need to get 10 kids if the i is more certain they will survive and don't have to rely on them to take care of the i when the i get old.