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Title: circumsision?
Post by: xixgrantham19 on December 24, 2007, 07:01:31 PM
firstly is it spelt that way? lol secondly wat do ras say? yes or no? and y?
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: Ras Adam on December 24, 2007, 08:59:06 PM
RasTafari is very Individual.
Iman say YES! Every man believer in JAH (JEHOVAH) should be circumcised on the 8th day (after birth) because every believer is JAH people.
Why? Because JAH say so in the Holy Scriptures (The Torah, The Tanakh, The Old Testament, The Ible
-Bible-)

JAH guide The I
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: ke on December 24, 2007, 10:24:42 PM
I say yes because it is in the Ible and I think in my country they do it to everyone for health reasons.
bless.
ke.
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: Soldier of Jah on December 24, 2007, 11:22:03 PM
Ites! Yes I, aswell from me, there's a big YES fi that! Im circumcised, and have been all me life, because me father is Arabian. Im happy with it, as its easier to keep clean and there arent as much problems that might occur to. Blessings!
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: rootsridge on December 25, 2007, 10:48:21 AM
nah, there was a post on this either on this forum, or jahrastafari forum,

man shouldn't make cuttings into the flesh, i know brother ke in America they do it for health reasons. but the reason for circumcision in those days, was also health thing, because of the sand and other things.
now it is found that circumcision can cause cycological problems aswell.
up to you but iman dont agree with it


blessed
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: Soldier of Jah on December 25, 2007, 10:50:54 AM
Well circumcision i feel is better, because its cleaner and there's more dirt that can get gathered under the foreskin of a man... And there are more diseases that can occur if not circumcised. My oppinion Idren!

Bless
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: Ras Adam on December 25, 2007, 02:16:57 PM
If ones against circumcision, then ones against the Tora, the law.
Ites Brethrens
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: ke on December 25, 2007, 08:14:40 PM
every one is entitled to there own opinion brotha.
Irie.
ke.
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: xixgrantham19 on December 25, 2007, 08:51:08 PM
Thanx to evry1 who posted their thorts. b4 i askd dis question i knew id get mixed response bt i also wantd to no reasons. thanx agen.
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: Soldier of Jah on December 26, 2007, 12:53:44 AM
Ras Adam, how can the Torah be the law? It tells us homosexuality is wrong, which i dont think... it tells us alot of things... the Torah is not books of law, its books of guidance. JAH Bless! RASTAFARI
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: rootsridge on December 26, 2007, 09:31:00 PM
well interpretation

to Jews it is the law,

so respect that

but iman not a Jew, i am a Rasta, so i only look at the Torah for guidance and knowledge not law


bless brother
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: Soldier of Jah on December 26, 2007, 09:32:09 PM
Yes I. Seen. Blessed love!
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: Ras Adam on December 28, 2007, 09:20:36 PM
Blessed Love fellow Souljahs.

"Torah" in hebrew means "law." 
Jesus said that he was not here to break down the LAW, therefore the "real" christians is nazarenes. (not nazirites)
 I don't believe in the Devil (satan) in the christian way, but if we look at him in the christian sight, then the christian doctrine that ones should not follow the law, the torah (books of Moses) is the real Satan teaching.

JAH gave the teaching, the law to Moses I when JAH led the Israelites out of Egypt. It is not to ignore, or to get inspired by. One can sight it that way, but Iman don't think that anything is pointing in that way, only a lack of change when ones start to observe Adonai I Almighty. I have nothing against others sights, but Iman know that in the end of days JAH will judge our ways - and I sight that the WAY is the LAW.

Ites & Raspect, Brethren
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: Leon on December 29, 2007, 03:33:31 AM
I find it crazy nuts..

Especially cases of forced circumcision on children!

Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: MaoriLion on December 29, 2007, 09:54:52 AM
I say no, it's a cutting of the flesh and man must be whole.

Oh and Ras Adam:

If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife–with the wife of his neighbor–both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
Leviticus 20:10

Does the I also take this to be law? The holy books are for guidance and reasoning upon, not to be taken literally.
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: Ras Adam on December 29, 2007, 04:09:21 PM
@MaoriLion:
Do you eat pork?
Do you have dreadlocks?
Do you keep the Sabbath holy?
Do you keep the "10 commandments"?

I would like to hear your answer, brother.

ITES.
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: MaoriLion on December 30, 2007, 12:23:30 AM
Do you eat pork: No
Do you have dreadlocks: They're growing
Do you keep the Sabbath holy: Yes, every week
Do you keep the "10 commandments": Yes, I never steal, cheat, of course murder and always raspect I parents and I lord.
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: rootsridge on December 30, 2007, 05:05:56 PM
iman dnt keep one day holy,,, keep every day holy


roots
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: Ras Adam on December 30, 2007, 05:58:56 PM
Yes I MaoriLion!
You are living after the law, just not the whole of it!  :)
If the Torah only was a book for guidance, then we could just eat pork, cut our hair, fool around on the friday evening and the saturday day.

To live after some of the laws, but not them all, is just the same as living after 9 of the 10 commandments and then not to honour our parents.

Positive Ites Brother I

@RootsRidge:
True, true, but one day JAH choose for I&I to keep "extra" holy. JAH rest at the seventh day, we rest at the seventh day. - Logic.  :)
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: rootsridge on December 30, 2007, 06:02:33 PM
ooook man nice opinion nice reasoning


two different opinions nice. now this is reasoning not like on other posts where its like,]]


YOU ARE WRONG I AM RIGHT U HAFFI BELIVE ME:p

haha postive vibration!:D

roots
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: Soldier of Jah on December 30, 2007, 06:13:46 PM
Agreed! Bless up Idren!! Nuff love!
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: Ras Adam on December 30, 2007, 11:08:48 PM
Yes I - Instead of DIS-cussion - we use REASONing.  ;)

Oneness Blessings
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: ke on December 31, 2007, 08:56:19 PM
I like it.. its good to try something new once in a while..lol
no disRASpect..
blessings.
ke.
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: MaoriLion on January 01, 2008, 01:04:10 PM
Brother Adam I know that circumcision is in the Torah and what not but as a Ras I just can't approve of cutting the flesh, simple as that. And it is nice to discuss and not argue, the bredrens are all right there!

Jah bless.
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: Ras Adam on January 01, 2008, 05:58:00 PM
Ites & Blessings
Iman overstand what the I means, brother Maori
But the I must look in the scriptures.
In the 613 laws we have the Ten Commandments - and in them we have "thou shall not kill."
But other places in the Torah and in the Tanach, JAH command the jews to kill - fx self defense against pagans.
Therefore - a law is only a law when it is not "overruled" by another law, if the I overstand.
We must not kill for anything in the world, but when JAH want us to kill, we must kill. This sounds maybe a little scary, but He, Adonai God, is not fooling around for fun.
And yes, there is a law that say we must not cut into the flesh (like masochism, tattoos etc etc.) but when JAH before in the torah states that everyone who believe in Him should be circumcised, then it is a greater authority, so I&I truly overstand the meaning of the commandment/law.

Raspect  I-dren
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: rootsridge on January 01, 2008, 06:31:36 PM
i see where u are coming from Ras Adam fe sure


just not the way i think about the subject,

nice words though, about a 'higher' messege or sripture

roots
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: ke on January 01, 2008, 07:12:37 PM
bless up Ras Adam
I feel ya..
blessings.
ke.
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: MaoriLion on January 02, 2008, 11:43:02 AM
Another thought which I don't quite understand is why exactly circumcision is holy.
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: Ras Adam on January 02, 2008, 05:46:15 PM
Ites Brothers Roots, Ke & Maori
@MaoriLion:
The circumcision is holy because JAH is holy and JAH command it upon us. Just like why is the sabbath holy? It's just a day a week! But it is holy because JAH say so - and JAH knows everything and is for-Iver loving and seeing. Circumcision is also a mark, a symbol, on us the holy people of YAHWEH Adonai God, that we are his sheep, and that He are the shepherd.
Psalm 23:
"The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters. He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever."

It is just also good for clean livity because of the physical cleanliness because of it. It is a symbol for life that we can't just wipe away if we get taken by heathen of pagan religion as atheism or hindu.
The law of circumcision, Brit Milah, was first given to the first jew, Abraham, the ancestor. It is the first commandment which is specific for JAH people.
It also means lower risk of certain cancers, for the one circumcised and for the princess who is in bed with the one circumcised. And actually the old, traditional overstanding of circumcision is that if one believer in Adonai JAH does not get cirumsised, he has no place in the world to come.

Again, I'm just stating I view and elders wisdom.
Ites Oneness Idren
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: rootsridge on January 04, 2008, 05:43:43 PM
also a practical reason.

circumcision (for very young) is a relatively safe and easy procedure,

that's why i think circumcision was chosen

u will find that 'holy piercings/cutting into felsh' are easy simple operations

like in some religions ear piercing for example


bless
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: damian_marley on January 21, 2008, 12:23:25 AM
Quote from: ke link=topic=4801. msg66230#msg66230 date=1198535082
I say yes because it is in the Ible and I think in my country they do it to everyone for health reasons.
bless.
ke.

they circumcise everyone in the US?
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: Soldier of Jah on January 21, 2008, 03:39:49 PM
Your not forced to get circumcised no. But most of the boys / men do get circumcised because its healthier and easier to keep clean and such. Bless.
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: damian_marley on January 21, 2008, 04:14:51 PM
wow i didnt tink it was so common
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: Soldier of Jah on January 21, 2008, 04:33:11 PM
Me neither before hearing more about it... There's no swedish men that i've seen who are circumcised... Only if they are muslims or not full swedish... But in America its very common also to get circumcised! I had no choice, i was just a baby boy hehe... But im glad i am circumcised anyway! Feels more natural for me as i've been my whole life. Bless!
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: ke on January 21, 2008, 06:04:00 PM
yea I didn't have a choice ether seeing that I was to young to probably know what was going on at the time lol.
bless up.
ke.
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: Soldier of Jah on January 21, 2008, 06:33:39 PM
Seen! But still, it would be worse to get circumcised now dont you think? Because you would know exactly what was going on and you would be thinking "What if something happens, what if....". But when your a baby you dont have those worries, then its easier to get circumcised aswell.
Bless.
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: rootsridge on January 21, 2008, 06:52:50 PM
indeed it does, adults have to go under anethetic and go to a proper hospital


Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: Soldier of Jah on January 21, 2008, 07:03:31 PM
Exactly. So its better if your a baby, because then you wont even think "Did i do the right thing or...". You wont regret it, because you didnt experience the feeling with you not being circumcised, right. So then there will be no doubts as you have lived like that your whole life. Its easier for the mind aswell as for the body that way. Bless!
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: rootsridge on January 21, 2008, 07:05:08 PM
i still personally dont think it should be done:P

unless u have a medical problem
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: Soldier of Jah on January 21, 2008, 07:08:19 PM
We all have different oppinions and thats why we're reasoning right. To hear others oppinions and tell our own, and sometimes learn from the others. So Rootsridge i raspect your oppinion to ofcourse. If we all thought the same we wouldnt be able to have this huge forum with discussions and such because then we would just agree with eachother. Bless!
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: Julian on January 16, 2009, 09:30:06 PM
Wise words Adam indeed :D I hope to one day be Circumcised in the true Israelite way. The Bible of course should be taken literally but we also have to remember the Bible we see today is not the Bible Moses and Jesus preached. Christianity and corrupt organizations i believe have corrupted the Sacred texts for Generations i believe. But the essence of the Torah stays the same.
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: Knowledge on March 02, 2009, 12:58:39 PM
I agree with the I who states that;if there is a medical problem then by all means be circumcised!
But personally I can see no "godly need" to undergo that process!
Circumcision is a man made ritual - based upon the fact that an unclean foreskin can harbour disease!
But if one rolls backthe skin and washes regularly then - there is no problem! But also bear in mind it was a vicious practice
that the victor demanded of the vanquished. Indeed didn't  Simeon and Levi slew a tribe after requiring them to cut off their skins!!
I don't see any justification for that whatsoever!

Whilst we talking about circumcision it would be remiss of not to allude to Female Genital Mutilation (female circumcision) which is just an barbaric affront to anything decent, or godly for that matter.

Yes people readily take up ridiculous, barbaric traditions and ritualistic practices that they don't even know the origin's of much less the purpose.


Posted on: March 02, 2009, 01:48:54 PM
Just two points I would like to touch upon in your post!
1) You say that you want one day to be circumcised in the true israelite way - which true israelite is that then?
2) Which true way of circumcision are you referring to!

Just out of interest; why would you belatedly want to undertake this process, which is not some practice that can be said to originate
from the First Source and Creator!! 

Also, whereas you rightly state that the bible has been corrupted over generations, I do not agree with your view of the Torah, which has been
re-written and amended many times. Also one should note that the Talmud (and other writings) from which the Torah stems (and which I am assuming you also hold dear) are in fact the root basis of the corrupting influences of the bible!"
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on March 02, 2009, 07:26:47 PM
It is indeed quite an Honor the viciousness some will display towards faith and people of faith. I'll give my opinion on circumcision but first let me ask what evidence this I has of amending and rewriting in the Torah and its sourcing from the Talmud or is this just a convenient lie to spout because it aligns with a g-d hating agenda?
Circumcision is certainly a practice that can be and is said to originate from the "First source and Creator". One of the secret purposes of circumcision and one of the aspects that make it holy is that it discourages masturbation. Carry on Children....
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: msgal on March 03, 2009, 11:21:25 PM
I suppose there is almost a case for circumcision as a disease prevention before personal hygiene was prevalent, except that there would also be an enormous danger of infection in getting done before germs and sterile conditions were part
of medical practice.  With cleanliness a more common practice today, I just
don't think there is any medical need for it.
Concerning faith circumision, there are rights of passage in many cultures and faiths. Some more cruel and barbaric than others.
It does seem that male and female circumcision are amoung the most barbaric.
With all the writing and re-writing of scriptures over the centuries it is virtually
impossible that they have not been corupted by those doing the writing. Sometimes by honest mistake.  sometimes to promote a personal agenda.
Circumcision is a measure intended to control peoples behavior. A behavior,
that quite frankly is none of the business of the people trying to control it.
A persons sexual behavior is up to that person to  decide not up to leadership
of any organization. The decision and the responablilty lies with the individual,
not anyone else.
If someone choses to ascribe to a faith that requires that.I do suppose that is their choice also. I would just hope they would do it in an informed manner and not in blind obedience. 
I do personally feel that blind obedience without rational thought is one of the most dangerous phenomina that exists.
No person should ever give up their right to think for themself to anyone.
It is then that they lose their humanity. They become little more than a trained
animal in someone elses circus.

Bless and love to all
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: Knowledge on March 04, 2009, 09:15:49 AM
Greetings to Msgal

I just want to say I fully agree with your reasoning - Respect!

Knowledge  :)
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: msgal on March 05, 2009, 05:48:23 AM
Thanks K

I just pretty much agreed with what you said

Everyone deserves the right to chose their own path and
needs to take responsibility for the path we choose.
Yah know if the suit nah fit.......

bless

Dee
Title: Re: circumsision?
Post by: Knowledge on March 05, 2009, 04:07:53 PM
Well M

When a one is talking sense, like de I, I have to give a forward


stay conscious 

Kn:) owledge