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Title: The sabbath
Post by: xixgrantham19 on December 27, 2007, 12:17:05 AM
greetings! i jus hav one question about the sabbath. see i play football(soccer) and i reali enjoy it. so much that i can say i luv the game. bt all competitive games are on a saturday(sabbath) so duz that mean i hav to quit?
Title: Re: The sabbath
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on December 27, 2007, 02:10:16 AM
No, a spiritual life/path is intended to free you, not create more bondage, as Yesus taught, let love lead your life and if soccer is what you love, why should you not pursue that on a designated Holy-day???
Sistren Nyah I
Title: Re: The sabbath
Post by: Soldier of Jah on December 27, 2007, 12:03:54 PM
Ites! I say do not stop playing fotball just because its on sabbath day! If you love it, then keep moving with it. Your not a bad Rasta if you dont do the sabbath, and your not a better one if you do. Its just for your soul and spirit to calm down and dont stress.. take a time to sit down and really study, pray and praise JAH. I say sabbath is a day for yourself to ignore Babylon. Fotball is good fi ya body! Any sport is. So dont stop man! Keep moving with fotball, yes! Blessings!
Title: Re: The sabbath
Post by: xixgrantham19 on December 27, 2007, 01:31:36 PM
i have to say thats the way i feel about it. bt i hav been told by pastors an such that it is wrong. even my family dnt want me2 play. bt i kept going. an at the same time kept on praising jah and giving thanx for the blessings he's given me.
Title: Re: The sabbath
Post by: Soldier of Jah on December 27, 2007, 01:42:38 PM
Dont follow what pastors say, follow what your hearts says! Thats the best way brother! Bless!
Title: Re: The sabbath
Post by: xixgrantham19 on December 27, 2007, 02:20:41 PM
i will do so soldier of jah! i no it will lead me to the truth! thanx for the encouragement! LOVE
Title: Re: The sabbath
Post by: moses on December 27, 2007, 06:16:14 PM
Best piece of advise + nice point of compliment !

Bless All I an I... Sela :D
Title: Re: The sabbath
Post by: Soldier of Jah on December 27, 2007, 09:58:54 PM
Yes I, keep trodding to where your heart leads you! Jah love, guidance & bless!
Title: Re: The sabbath
Post by: Ras Adam on December 29, 2007, 04:38:29 PM
Family - I have another sight
If one takes the Bible seriously, then we read that JAH do not like when we "fool around" doing earthly things on the sabbath day. The Sabbath is not a bondage! It is a starting point! With all raspect.
As far as I know, Haile Selassie I kept the sabbath holy, because He was a Coptic christian.
Some of my people actually shut down all electronic devices (as cellphones etc.) and keep away from games, television, sport and so on.
You should not do it because the pastors say it, never! Do it because you read it and feel it.
Sabbath is a day of love, praising of JAH and family get-together - not a burden. That is what so many people has misoverstood in so many years.
Actually also Jesus kept the sabbath holy! He only said that it was not for JAHs sake, but for our sake. Which is very true, because we don't pray for JAH, we pray for humankind. JAH live on without our help.
 We need a day a week to be righteous all over the line.

Raspect Brother Grantham, I am not telling you what to do or think, I am just telling you what I sight and think, because the I ask.
I am a musician here in Denmark I-self, so I have sometimes a hard time keeping it (because most music-gigs is fridays and saturdays and sabbath is from friday night to saturday night.) But the most days I stand tall on the Holy day of the week.
Selah Ites!
Title: Re: The sabbath
Post by: xixgrantham19 on December 29, 2007, 05:25:18 PM
@rasadam i undestand wat ur saying bt i feel that its thru jah that i can play the game, that i can love the game. so wat better way to give thanx than to use wat jah gave me?
Title: Re: The sabbath
Post by: Empress AliJah on December 29, 2007, 10:17:04 PM
Greetings in The Name of the Most High JAH RASTAFARI
Blessed and Ivine Love , the Sabbath is one of the 10 commandnets "Remember keep Holy the Sabbath Day" We have six days where we can do what iver we choose JAH put it in stone, He asked we to keep the commandments, It is InI parsonal Ilief that we cannot pick and choose which of Jah's commandments to uphold, the Livity is supposed to put Jah above ivery thing, or does that mean until our earthly wants seem as important or more important than living by Jah's instruction...........just a thought
Peace and Love
Empress AliJah
Title: Re: The sabbath
Post by: rootsridge on December 29, 2007, 10:34:35 PM
Selassie I an orthodox Christan

Ethiopian Orthodox church dont keep sabbath
Title: Re: The sabbath
Post by: xixgrantham19 on December 30, 2007, 12:08:44 AM
ok so wat exactly duz 'keep the sabbath day holy' mean to u guys? sum ppl dnt use electricity. is electricity unholy? sum ppl dnt use money. is money unholy?
Title: Re: The sabbath
Post by: rootsridge on December 30, 2007, 12:13:42 AM
i dont think we can define a sabbath day

my opinion ask ADAM he will share more light on his opinion
Title: Re: The sabbath
Post by: MaoriLion on December 30, 2007, 12:21:51 AM
To keep the sabbath holy just use it as a day of rest and reflection on the I's life and use it to truly praise and thank Jah for all the I's blessing. I think to play soccer on the day is fine because it isn't work, relaxes the I and keeps the I healthy. I work six days a week but on the sabbath day I rest and I do what relaxes I and gives I time to truly think, I build, I create. Painting, drawing, making furniture, whatever I feel like on the day. And while I do it I think to Iself all the great gifts that Jah has given I that I have the freedom and ability to create as I do seen?

Just keep on praising Jah bredren, H.I.M will guide the I to the right path!

Jah bless.
Title: Re: The sabbath
Post by: Empress AliJah on December 30, 2007, 01:22:26 AM
The seventh day of the week, the day commonly known as Saturday, is the Sabbath day of YAHWEH the Almighty God of Israel. It was ordained of God as a day of physical rest for all mankind, and the obligation to observe it arises from
Yahweh's own example
His act of blessing the seventh day
And His explicit command to keep it holy.
The word Sabbath implies rest, peace, tranquillity and refreshment. And who will doubt but that in this turbulent and confused world every soul on earth is in need of spiritual rest and refreshment. Consequently, those who faithfully remember the Sabbath of the Most High and draw apart from the world each weekend to worship Him on His holy day, will receive the spiritual blessings promised in His Holy Word; blessings that will find full scope in the ages to come.
The seventh day Sabbath according to the Bible, was blessed, sanctified and set apart for sacred use by the God of Israel at the creation of the world, and on that memorable occasion it was first observed by the Lord Himself.
(Genesis 2:2-3)

Furthermore, all mankind is required by divine law to keep holy the seventh day of the week. The Sabbath command is one of the Ten Commandments, a law which is not only scheduled to outlast this universe but which every soul on earth is obliged to observe. Therefore as long as heaven and earth shall last, the seventh day of the week is the Sabbath day. Disobedience of Yahweh's law, of which the Sabbath commandment is merely a part, is sin. These unequivocal facts cannot be rejected without serious consequences.
(Exodus 20:8-11, Matthew 5:17-19, 1 John 3:4)

Sabbath desecration is strongly condemned by the true prophets of God and their inspired messages have been recorded in the Scriptures for the benefit of succeeding generations of readers from every nation under heaven. Dare we ignore their warnings?
(Ezekiel 20:19-24, Ezekiel 22:8,26,31, Jeremiah 17:27)

In recognition of the Sabbath commandment Yeshua the Messiah (Jesus Christ) kept holy the seventh day of the week (Saturday) and the Scriptures testify to the fact that it was his custom to do so.
(Luke 4:16)

Like his Master, it was also the custom of the Apostle Paul and his companions to observe the seventh day Sabbath, the day commonly known as Saturday. The disciple were still observing the true Sabbath day some sixteen to twenty years after the resurrection.
(Acts 17:2, Acts 18:4)

In addition to the above, new converts, both Jews and Gentiles alike, regularly attended the synagogue for worship on the Saturday Sabbath, and the fact that interested Gentiles in Antioch requested further instruction of Paul "on the next Sabbath" is irrefutable evidence that no separate Sunday meetings were being held there by those early Christians. In other words, the Gentiles were willing to wait a full week, till the next Saturday, for a meeting. Why? Because they knew that Paul and his companions did not normally meet for divine worship on a Sunday, but would instead be available for discussion again on the next Sabbath. On the next Sabbath (Saturday) almost the whole city arrived for the meeting.
(Acts 13:42-44)

In his prophecy concerning the destruction of Jerusalem, the Master advised his followers to pray that their flight from the city "be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day." This passage is also strong proof that Jesus Christ had absolutely no intention whatsoever of doing away with the Sabbath commandment at the cross. On the contrary it shows his high regard for the Sabbath day in that he advised his followers - who were mostly Jews - to even go to the extent of praying to God about it, that He would make it possible for them to keep the Sabbath day some 40 years after the crucifixion!
(Matthew 24:20)

The Seventh day Sabbath is also the divine Sign which the God of Israel places in the minds of His people. It is Yahweh's Signature which He inscribes on the believer's mind to commemorate his work of creation, sanctification and salvation through Jesus. The Sabbath is, in fact, the eternal memorial token of the perpetual covenant between The Almighty and His Church. What's more, it will continue to be so even in the new heavens and the new earth.
(Exodus 20:12&20, Isaiah 66:22-23)

The Sabbath rest is a token or sample of the divine Rest of God which the Most High is eagerly looking forward to. Many believers are going to be excluded from that divine rest because of their deliberate and persistent disobedience of the Sabbath commandment.
(Psalm 95:10-11, Hebrews 4:9-11)

Students are therefore advised to "Remember the Seventh day to keep it holy." If they do this, they will, according to the divine declaration, feast on the heritage of Jacob and be made welcome in the Holy Mountain of God.
(Isaiah 56:2-7, Isaiah 58:13-14)

In some strange way the Most high values His Sabbath days more than any human mind can appreciate. They are to Him a unique, spiritual treasure of inestimable worth. Try to understand His pleadings in these amazing words:
Ezekiel 20:11-12  "And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them.
Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them." 

Note how the Sabbath is given a special place of honour, far above the other statutes and judgements, important as they obviously are. Yahweh's Sabbath is an eternal token of sanctification; the sacred sign that sets the obedient believer apart from all the other peoples of the earth. It is His SIGN, His Signatre on the true believer's mind. We trust that you dear student are not missing out on this vital commandment?

peace and love
Title: Re: The sabbath
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on December 30, 2007, 09:33:24 AM
Is working for Jah and having relationship all serious and rule abiding?
perhaps it can be playful, loving and fun.....
I do whatever I feel like doing on a sabbath and I like to make EVERY day a Holy-day
I read the Ible any day of the week, sing thanks and praises any day of the week, try fit in yoga or going down the creek with kids when eva we can fit it in
I try not to do too much "work" kinda stuff on the weekend, relax, study, sing, make cuppas for homeless bruddas, love I kids...tend to health......
I pray any and everyday and meditate momentarily thru the day
I have a toddler, a very lively six year old a nine year old, a 12, 13 15 and 17 yr old to care for day in and day out so when do I get to not be "working" serving and on call?
if I had a church or group to worship with and pray and reason with I would...but the closest I have is a couple of Jehovah Witnesses to bible study with and reason with most Sundays
and a now a studio to try capture some vibes, when I can, between caring for people....
It hasto work and I'm trying to make it work.....If anyone can guide I, I would be grateful to hear suggestions to improve I worship I holy-day....
Give thanks
Nyah I
Title: Re: The sabbath
Post by: Ras Adam on December 30, 2007, 06:14:05 PM
Ites Empress AliJah I
The I speaks the biblical truth - and Iman agree with the I.
It is just a question of belief in the Bible.
For example for I-self I sight the Bible as 80-90 & true.
I guess that some people in here only accept it as 40-50 % true. (not necessarily a negative sight, just another).
I know these "happyclappers" christians, who sight the Bible as 100% correct, the word of God by JAH - but my problem with that is that we all know that the Bible was written down on paper rolls by humans - people. Not God. Therefore it is not perfect. We can only reason about the amount of truth in these documents.

One thing I think is really important to know, is that The Sabbath day is not from Saturday morning to Saturday night. The sabbath was given to the Israelites & Jews, and these Hebrews counted the days from night to night.
Therefore Sabbath is from Friday sun down to Saturday sun down.
If ones work on the Friday evening, it is just as big a sin, as to work on the Saturday day. :)

Ites Up I I-maly.
JAH blessings.
Title: Re: The sabbath
Post by: Empress AliJah on December 30, 2007, 07:12:14 PM
Blessed Love Brotha Ras Adam, InI would agree InI keep the Sabbath from Friday till Saturday as it was set to be, There is always going to be different arguments/reasoning on the Validity of the Bible in strength and the necessity or non -necessity of keeping the Sabbath, But InI ilieve the Root of Rastafari has become somewhat side stepped, and InI at times find it difficult to accept certain things wriiten here at nicks becca it is directly in opposition of the root of Rasta, The Livity from we claim seh we is Rasta we need to research Rasta  to find out how and why it come about what it stands for and what it raprasents, There is too much bad feelings at times, when the root of Rasta is cited, and InI ilief is that this is down to ignorance, we need to know the basic foundations of the faith if we iver want to try and overstand each others view,
Peace and Love
Title: Re: The sabbath
Post by: Ras Adam on December 30, 2007, 11:06:11 PM
Yes I Empress
I agree totally.
Raspect Lioness
Title: Re: The sabbath
Post by: Empress AliJah on December 31, 2007, 12:39:46 AM
Give thanks Iyah,
Knowledge is the key and wisdom is wealth, and we are giving a dis-service when as a faith we keep we mouth on mute leading i's on to the path of DIS-truction,
Peace and Love
Title: Re: The sabbath
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on January 02, 2008, 02:18:18 PM
The Lion of Judah has prevailed
Haile Selassie I, Elect of God
King of Kings of Ethiopia
WE IN ETHIOPIA HAVE ONE OF THE OLDEST VERSIONS OF THE BIBLE, but however old the version may be, in whatever language it might be written, the Word remains one and the same. It transcends all boundaries of empires and all conceptions of race. It is eternal.

No doubt you all remember reading in the Acts of the Apostles of how Philip baptised the Ethiopian official. He is the first Ethiopian on record to have followed Christ, and from that day onwards the Word of God has continued to grow in the hearts of Ethiopians. And I might say for myself that from early childhood I was taught to appreciate the Bible and my love for it increases with the passage of time. All through my troubles I have found it a cause of infinite comfort.

"Come unto Me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest" who can resist an invitation so full of compassion?

Because of this personal experience in the goodness of the Bible, I was resolved that all my countrymen should also share its great blessing and that by reading the Bible they should find truth for themselves. Therefore, I caused a new translation to be made from our ancient language into the language which the old and the young understood and spoke.

Today man sees all his hopes and aspirations crumbling before him. He is perplexed and knows not whither he is drifting. But he must realise that the Bible is his refuge, and the rallying point for all humanity. In it man will find the solution of his present difficulties and guidance for his future action, and unless he accepts with clear conscience the Bible and its great Message, he cannot hope for salvation. For my part I glory in the Bible.

Raspect Nyah I

Title: Re: The sabbath
Post by: Ras Adam on January 05, 2008, 06:18:39 PM
Blessings I
Seriously, wether we overstand the law (Torah) as the law, or as guidance - The Sabbath remains the same - the scriptures remains the same.

Title: Re: The sabbath
Post by: Empress AliJah on January 05, 2008, 07:28:52 PM
Greetings in the Name of the Most High Jah RasTafari,
Blessed and Ivine Love
InI could not of said it better,
The truth is the same today as yesterday and will ramain the truth tomorrow as it is the truth, Iternal and Itinuous, never changing altering or weavering just ramaining the same Word, And the Laws ramain the same and should be Rspected and adhered,
Love and Raspect