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Title: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on December 27, 2007, 03:31:48 PM
Why is it that most message boards that claim to be "Rasta reasoning's" turn out to be never ending arguments, Where nothing ever really gets accomplished, and "Rasta" seems to remain in constant disunity?

Perhaps its not really Rasta at all, just people over the Internet sticking their nose where it doesn't belong...
The three most "provocative" causes for contention that I have observed in the On line Rasta Community are this:

#1-  Jesus Christ/Christianity/His Majesties Divinity. 

#2-  Race or Ethnicity.

#3- The Jews and Israel.

And on some level the three are one :)

It seems like most public discourse on the Internet turns sour real fast anyway. But I had always thought Rasta was better than that. Perhaps I was wrong. Anyways, Reason on the topics or why it does or doesn't seem to you that Rasta is always having petty arguments, having to start over again so that nothing gets built, or not. 
   
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: The Fruitarian One on December 27, 2007, 07:19:30 PM
Greetings Elijah

My observation is that when people with different levels of communication, different personalities, from all different backgrounds come together on one board discussing a passionate topic like religion, then a clash is a given....your right the impersonal nature of the internet does play it's role in creating mis-interpretations too....

But having said that we are all grown folk here and it's up to us to choose a right way and a wrong way to deal with our difference.

peace an love

F1
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: rootsridge on December 27, 2007, 08:05:42 PM
yes elijah,

It becomes different when people are no longer reasoning they are Dictating there is the problem ini sight
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on December 27, 2007, 10:27:56 PM
The above helps demonstrate the only thing I disagree with in F.O response which is that Iveryone is grown here, He's new so him nah realize that Rasta Nicks got over run by a bunch of pickney who decided they were "rasta teachers" all of a sudden
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: The Fruitarian One on December 27, 2007, 10:33:41 PM
The above helps demonstrate the only thing I disagree with in F.O response which is that Iveryone is grown here, He's new so him nah realize that Rasta Nicks got over run by a bunch of pickney who decided they were "rasta teachers" all of a sudden

HA,HA,HA, I'm glad you gave me the benefit of the doubt, ha,ha,

Peace an love

F1
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: Soldier of Jah on December 28, 2007, 01:57:24 AM
Rasta teachers? There are no Rasta teachers, there are rastas who teach what they believe in, but that doesnt make them teachers just like that, because "Each one teach one" bredda... My oppinion about why there's such a big ammount of arguments in the forum right now is because there's alot of people with different oppinions, and with different oppinions comes different teachings. And we try to teach eachother what we think is right, meanwhile the opposite side tries to teach what them think is right. I see only positive vibes in different oppinions, aslong as both sides respect the other sides
oppinion, seen? We cannot try to convince or convert, because from that we only get arguments. The thing we can do is listen, and reason. And that does not come from ignoring eachothers point of view, as we have to listen to eachothers views, to reason. Dont you think? So how can we stop this arguing? We can start to respect eachothers views more, without tossing them aside. We can start to look upon eachother with overstanding eyes more then undestanding eyes, see what i mean? Just keep the Irie vibes up and there should be no arguments. Because brethren, we are not dictators, we are Rastas!
Blessings!
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on December 28, 2007, 03:34:35 PM
Yes another response that helps demonstrate why 'rastas' argue so much. This I wants to play petty little word game that there are rastas who teach but no rasta teachers...come off it.....I had the term in quotations to indicate the way people like him carry themselves. And then he want to come and 'teach' me about it, But this I still talking about 'opposite sides' got nothing to teach Rasta.
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: Soldier of Jah on December 28, 2007, 03:41:22 PM
Well man, if you think we're arguing now, thats okey with me... But im not arguing, because telling my point of view is not arguing. Everyone has something to teach, because everyone had different experiences in life and different views to tell. Im done in this thread, as i feel its pointless to keep talking. And if we keep talking, it probably would continiue into an argue, and that, none of us wants, yes? So ill just drop this thread. Bless.
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on December 28, 2007, 03:55:43 PM
Your not arguing, your leaving. I said, insisting there are rasta who teach but no rasta teacher's is a good example of why NOTHING gets built. Hypersensitive paranoia maybe. Then you come back and insinuate that I think "we're" arguing but your not.   
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: The Fruitarian One on December 28, 2007, 04:06:18 PM
Well it looks like this is why Rastas argue so much.....question answered.

peace an love

F1
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: surfmon_I on December 28, 2007, 04:07:56 PM
Greetings,
Perhaps we should look to the difference of the Warrior and the Shaman to see how and why we argue so much.
The Warrior protects and rages against the threat to the people, living amongst them and holds fast to the principles of faith and culture.
The Shaman lives on the outskirts of society and acts as a intermediary between this world and the spiritual.
They are both vital to the survival of a people for we cannot have one without the other.

When we argue, as Bredren EliJah observantly stated the three most frequent causes, it may be due to the foundational disruption we each perceive rather than to see how they mesh together.
Foundations are the starting points for building, and when we disrupt what we have become comfortable with, which is vital to growth, we must settle before building further up.  Otherwise we all know what happen, instability and insecurity.

The observation of Pickney overrunning the site is natural when the elders exclude themselves.  In this virtual world, the youth take on the cloak of the elder perhaps to test out their metal, so to speak.  We must all remember Humility, and as Elders realize when dealing with youth far more is accomplished with an open hand versus a closed fist.

Many Thanks for this chance to share I thoughts Idren.
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: Human on December 28, 2007, 04:32:27 PM
Elijah I, you answered your own post. People must see thru your eyes to be able to speak of Rasta on here, anything outside of your view is nonsense and they should not be here and this is why YOU argue with them. Your Friend You?Man?

Sufmon well said bredrin.
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: Soldier of Jah on December 28, 2007, 04:44:10 PM
As we cannot stay narrow minded, we have to respect eachothers views without pushing them aside. I see no point of defending without listening, when we can defend and listen at the same time. When someone is pushing my oppinion aside and just defending, then i stop talking as its of no use. Why waist my thoughts and words if you dont care to even listen? I did not leave Elijah, i simply observed your words. Because sometimes, staying quiet and observing is better then rushing and defending. Why do you push my oppinion aside, instead of asking me why i stand with this oppinion? We cannot always stay on offense or defense, sometimes we have to stay on observation and listening, without speaking out. I simply told my oppinion before, and the response i got was that i was arguing.
Bless.
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: The Fruitarian One on December 28, 2007, 05:14:36 PM
I don't want to make this the "Elijah I" show but I don't think he is being narrow minded per se, I just think he's defending the integrity of this board and the rasta philosophy that I've read on every Rasta website and video thus far, I think he's a purist and is sticking to his principles, when I see his posts I see where his head is at so his use of words don't matter or offend me.

peace an love

F1
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: Soldier of Jah on December 28, 2007, 05:20:06 PM
Yes, but thats all interpretation. You dont think he is narrow minded, i may think that. Ofcourse, we all defend what we believe in. But sometimes we're defending in the wrong way.. sometimes we're more attacking then defending.
As we cant all see out of the eyes of Elijah, we cannot all agree with him. But when someone doesnt agree with me, i dont push them away.. i listen to what they have to say, and try to understand them. Because if we keep pushing away, then how will we ever be able to reason good and listen to others oppinion? If we push away, how are we able to learn from others? Bless.

As you see here, what he wrote to me:

"Yes another response that helps demonstrate why 'rastas' argue so much. This I wants to play petty little word game that there are rastas who teach but no rasta teachers...come off it.....I had the term in quotations to indicate the way people like him carry themselves. And then he want to come and 'teach' me about it, But this I still talking about 'opposite sides' got nothing to teach Rasta."

He is not even talking to me, he is talking to someone else, telling them how im acting. Instead of doing that, why cant he try to explain to me why he doesnt share the same view as me? Because if he did that, then there would be no arguing, would there? Elijah im not trying to teach you, im trying to explain my oppinion.
Bless.
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: The Fruitarian One on December 28, 2007, 05:26:10 PM
Yes, but thats all interpretation. You dont think he is narrow minded, i may think that. Ofcourse, we all defend what we believe in. But sometimes we're defending in the wrong way.. sometimes we're more attacking then defending.
As we cant all see out of the eyes of Elijah, we cannot all agree with him. But when someone doesnt agree with me, i dont push them away.. i listen to what they have to say, and try to understand them. Because if we keep pushing away, then how will we ever be able to reason good and listen to others oppinion? If we push away, how are we able to learn from others? Bless.

But as you have said yourself...a part of Rasta is acceptace, nothing is wrong...we are not the ones to judge...that's between jah and the individual....it's all one love.... even if you don't agree with what's being said...all we can do is take what resonates with us and leave what doesn't and move on with one love for our fellow bredren.....seen!

peace an love

F1
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: surfmon_I on December 28, 2007, 06:35:49 PM
Dear Soldier of Jah,
Is it that we want common ground but seek it through a narrow path?, The I have written sometimes we must remain quiet and listen.  Well said, for this is wisdom.
It is of no purpose to but heads with a Bredrin  to gain acceptance, rather to seek the key to his knowledge.  Strength battle strength, yet none is the victor for all who watch see the destruction of both.
If we know what is offensive to another, why try to make them see it is not so?, we must show.
EliJah has brought a great topic, one the is very relevant to the Bredren and Sistren, youth and elder alike.  Let us keep our eyes and minds trained on the good that come out of these views, and not take it personal.  If we do not, the purity of this topic will be diluted into endless back and forth as we have all seen before.
There is much to be learned, and the first thing which must happen is the foundation of what we build on, within ourselves, MUST rise above the SELF.
Warrior on warrior begets only one thing, and I think we are all seeking something quite different.
Blessings Idren.
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on December 28, 2007, 08:17:59 PM
I'm glad that an "argument" seems to have already erupted because it helps me realize even more that the cause for argument is not even really doctrinal issues, but the issue of authority, and peoples needs to feel, Listened to, belonging, respected....etc. I think there is alot race issue's involved as well because of cultural differences in ways to relate, language, respect for elders etc. Perhaps Rasta is a group of leaders. Rasta are not followers by nature. And thats where the order becomes important, Some people have reached "higher" overstandings than others, it would be a "waste of time" for people to constantly bring themself to the "level" of a newbie for example, and its not, even though it may seem like it, a sign of respect. Whats respectfull is to treat people as if they know better than to take things personally, and just speak the truth, Who the cap fits can wear it.
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: The Fruitarian One on December 28, 2007, 08:31:21 PM
I think there is alot race issue's involved as well because of cultural differences in ways to relate, language, respect for elders etc. Perhaps Rasta is a group of leaders. Rasta are not followers by nature. And

I agree with that 100%, I have Maroons in my heritage on my Mothers side and members of our family live up to that to the tee, yes it can be intense to be around us and many people are intimidated by us but we don't mean any harm, we are just warrior people!!!

Peace an love

F1
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: ke on December 28, 2007, 09:18:45 PM
alot of the time we think the other person is arguing with us because we cant hear there voice, so we read it and just because it is a different opinion we go and answer back and then they answer back and so on and so.. seen?
I know I am a guilty of it..
so by saying somthing like "Rastas" argue to much is his opinion and we should respect that. seen?
also I don't think he means Rasta, I think he means "internet Rasta" (a Rasta who is only Rasta when he thinks its "cool"
bless.
ke.
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: Soldier of Jah on December 28, 2007, 09:51:46 PM
Seen breddas, seen. I think i've misunderstood your meanings Elijah.. As we all see different things in different ways.. You might see something as positive while i see it as negative, and the other way around. Anyway im not here to argue at all. And we're not arguing to eachother either. Very well... As is it hard for me to see it through your eyes, there's not much i can say. We probably have very split views on much. But if you like to tell me your view, ill listen, not necessarily agree, but listen. Blessed, one love.
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: surfmon_I on December 28, 2007, 10:37:33 PM
actually what I man think this topic is about is How are we to stop this and actually share ideas to link up and learn to BUILD something in our own lives and therefore together.
The feeling that we speak on so many Beliefs and Argue about One Path excludes the Humble absorption of others thoughts and therefore we impede our own learning and growth.
If we frame these paths with the way we are currently working thru them, and applying them in our everyday lives, then we can see how this is viewed by others in the "rasta" community.

I put that in parenthesis, because unless we are applying these principles to our Livity, we are posing.  we must be able to share our views and good deeds without fear of fault. Again I say that it would be good to share HOW we apply these tenets of Rastafari, and what we plan on doing in the world with them.

As of yet, I remain ignorant of any Global impact Rastafari culture has emparted, in our time , with the exception of the One Love principal Bob Marley sang of and the spreading of this growing number of Rastafari Idren.  This is where I man would like to see where we are going and what we can work toward.  I know there are works in progress, but it is the Impact of Rastafari Culture, I am wanting to see and have it roll over Babylon.

Strength in numbers
Jah Bless All

Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: The Fruitarian One on December 29, 2007, 05:43:35 PM
Ok folks I was being diplomatic before but now I feel led to speak on a couple of things that are weighing heavy on my heart....

To me the reason why Rastas argue so much is religion and racial dilution of the rasta movement....you've only got to look at every argument on this board to see that it's all about those two subjects...I don't see anybody arguing about ital livity at all and to me that's something that it very critical to this movement because you cannot be a rasta if your six foot under!!!!

So far.... as a newbie trying to find my way through all of this and with my limited experience the way I see it is that there's a lot of conflicting opinions in the rasta movement....there's not much of this "one love' that everybody speaks about...personaly I'm starting to think that this "one love" was just a song by Bob Marley because at one level some say that the rasta movement is a black power movement and all white people are Babylon then you have those that say that if you don't believe the bible scriptures and H.I.M as Jah then your not rasta....it's funny because a lot of Rastas say that the movement is not a religion but they uphold and defend religious a belief system as I see it, like I say I don't see any "one love" at all and as far as the black power stuff, I'm all for the betterment of black people all over the world but I don't believe that anybody is created better than anyone else, people of all colours are capable of and have done horrific things, this black supremacy stuff is no better than the white supremacy junk....and to me deserves no more respect....but what I see that causes the most friction is religion, to me if years from now when all of our time our gone and there's nobody around to tell the story of mankind and someone somewhere finds a book of fiction, without ever knowing us or what that book truly is, do they believe that book to be a book of all our lives, as a true record of what happened to us, when infact for all they know it could mean anything?...to me I don't understand how so much arguing and even death that goes on around the world can be caused over things that none of us can really prove to be true because none of us were alive in those times..... I say this because everybody has there own interpretation of events/scriptures and there's no clarity or one clear vision that everbody can agree on in the Rasta movement or any other religious movement for that matter, to me if God came to earth he/she would have set the world straight on everything so everybody was in no doubt what so ever as to what was going on and to me that in itself would mash down babylon because even babylon would see that God/Jah is on the earth and no man can test!!!!....to me if there's mystery then there's no proof, people have said to me that you gotta follow what's in your heart and only God/Jah can judge you, then does that mean you must trod by yourself and not seek fellowship or that you can only seek fellowship with those that think like you do so you don't get beat down, to me I should be able to go up to any rasta without any fear of judgement and show one love.

I know what I just said is going to offend some people but I gotta tell it as I see it so far because the way things are right now does not encourage new members or make things easy for new members to overstand what's going on.

peace an love

F1
Posted on: December 29, 2007, 05:25:41 pm
I read an artical written by a Rasta and he basically said tha we should all stay with our own kind/colour and he used animals as an example saying tha all abnimals stay with their own kind and I say yes, I totally agree because we are all the same kind regardless of colour, we are all humans, just like you may see two birds, they maybe different colours but they are still birds, seen!....

Peace an love

F1
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on December 29, 2007, 08:48:44 PM
Thats what I like to call the dreadlocked elephant in the room.
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: Human on December 29, 2007, 09:24:46 PM
All it takes is YOU, no need for Selassie, Jesus, Buddha,2,000 year old stories, 10,000 year old stories, egypt, israel or anything that happened yesterday. YOU are your own messiah, king, emperor and any other title you wish. It does not take a belief or faith in anything written to love someone, anyone and everything. It does not take a faith or a title or a symbol to understand right and wrong, good and bad, kindness or assholishness, love and hate. People just want to be a part of something so they can say "hey look at me im better than you, Im...?" instead of REALIZING they are made of EVERYTHING. You are divine, Iam divine, we all are divine and inseperable from the SOURCE whatever name we humans try to give it. People will always argue, deny, accept and conform to stories from long ago past which none of us trully understand because we were not there instead of looking at the now and what is happening today. We all have been given a gift and that is life so live it the way you see fit but don't push your will upon others. One Love...and yes I trully mean One Love because if I dislike you, I dislike a part of myself.

HUMAN
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: The Fruitarian One on December 29, 2007, 09:42:42 PM
All it takes is YOU, no need for Selassie, Jesus, Buddha,2,000 year old stories, 10,000 year old stories, egypt, israel or anything that happened yesterday. YOU are your own messiah, king, emperor and any other title you wish. It does not take a belief or faith in anything written to love someone, anyone and everything. It does not take a faith or a title or a symbol to understand right and wrong, good and bad, kindness or assholishness, love and hate. People just want to be a part of something so they can say "hey look at me im better than you, Im...?" instead of REALIZING they are made of EVERYTHING. You are divine, Iam divine, we all are divine and inseperable from the SOURCE whatever name we humans try to give it. People will always argue, deny, accept and conform to stories from long ago past which none of us trully understand because we were not there instead of looking at the now and what is happening today. We all have been given a gift and that is life so live it the way you see fit but don't push your will upon others. One Love...and yes I trully mean One Love because if I dislike you, I dislike a part of myself.

HUMAN

One love!!

Peace an love

F1
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: Soldier of Jah on December 29, 2007, 09:43:54 PM
Wise words Human! Blessed love!
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: The Fruitarian One on December 29, 2007, 09:51:49 PM
Personaly I think you have those that are purists and want to uphold the original concept of the rasta movement and then you have the more relaxed individuals that don't always want to stick to those concepts and the purist feel frustrated because they feel that the movement is getting diluted and losing it's way.

peace an love

F1

Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: rootsridge on December 29, 2007, 09:54:37 PM
who are you to judge?
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: The Fruitarian One on December 29, 2007, 10:23:57 PM
who are you to judge?

I'm nobody to judge.... I'm just an outsider looking in and sharing what he see's...the question was posed and I'm just sharing my view on the matter like everybody else.....my view is of no importance at the end of the day because I am not you or anybody else, I am myself and my view only matters to myself and all I can do is share it!...seen!

If you don't agree with my view then who really cares because you are not me and I'm not you!

peace an love

F1
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on December 29, 2007, 10:30:25 PM
All it takes is YOU, no need for Selassie, Jesus, Buddha,2,000 year old stories, 10,000 year old stories, egypt, israel or anything that happened yesterday. YOU are your own messiah, king, emperor and any other title you wish. It does not take a belief or faith in anything written to love someone, anyone and everything. It does not take a faith or a title or a symbol to understand right and wrong, good and bad, kindness or assholishness, love and hate. People just want to be a part of something so they can say "hey look at me im better than you, Im...?" instead of REALIZING they are made of EVERYTHING. You are divine, Iam divine, we all are divine and inseperable from the SOURCE whatever name we humans try to give it. People will always argue, deny, accept and conform to stories from long ago past which none of us trully understand because we were not there instead of looking at the now and what is happening today. We all have been given a gift and that is life so live it the way you see fit but don't push your will upon others. One Love...and yes I trully mean One Love because if I dislike you, I dislike a part of myself.


"You dont need g-d" apart from your dirty little self, is what I call atheist's always say because as they admit themselves "none(of them) truly understand". But I and I Ras Tafari truly understand Mr. You?Man?, that this frustrates you is written all over your bothersome face. What? Did you trod with Rasta 20 years but because they wouldn't accept your heathen ass you think your going to come here and get the drop on a bunch of children? You petty little wannabe rasclott. Who doesnt realize that we are made of everything? Rastafari knows Selassie I IS EVERYTHING, and until you want to sight that you are NOTHING. HA HA HA. Nothing. But an annoying nothing I'll admit, since your so insecure you need to come to someone elses website and try and downstroy their trod becasue it literally eats you up inside that in all your blase humanistic wisdom you dun missed something most valuable of all. So that likkle youth like rootsridge who JAH only know where he'll be in twenty years, though the damage his confused words do in his "rasta phase" remains, can talk about "who are you to judge I'm not Rastafari becasue Im a homosexual satan worshiper?" Chaff from wheat Fiyah Bun!!!
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: The Fruitarian One on December 29, 2007, 10:45:42 PM

"You dont need g-d" apart from your dirty little self, is what I call atheist's always say because as they admit themselves "none(of them) truly understand". But I and I Ras Tafari truly understand Mr. You?Man?, that this frustrates you is written all over your bothersome face. What? Did you trod with Rasta 20 years but because they wouldn't accept your heathen ass you think your going to come here and get the drop on a bunch of children? You petty little wannabe rasclott. Who doesnt realize that we are made of everything? Rastafari knows Selassie I IS EVERYTHING, and until you want to sight that you are NOTHING. HA HA HA. Nothing. But an annoying nothing I'll admit, since your so insecure you need to come to someone elses website and try and downstroy their trod becasue it literally eats you up inside that in all your blase humanistic wisdom you dun missed something most valuable of all. So that likkle youth like rootsridge who JAH only know where he'll be in twenty years, though the damage his confused words do in his "rasta phase" remains, can talk about "who are you to judge I'm not Rastafari becasue Im a homosexual satan worshiper?" Chaff from wheat Fiyah Bun!!!

Ha,ha...Elijah I....if I was to get into a fight I would want you in my corner...ha,ha!

I would like to ask you this....if the Jah/creator created all things, how can you call another human that Jah created "nothing" isn't that insulting to Jah?...how is this kind of thing looked at by rasta?

I'm not trying to be confrontational, I'm just questioning things as I see it so I can get a better overstanding!

Peace an love

F1
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on December 29, 2007, 10:55:12 PM
Because I only recognize Humans as Humans. And ones who want to "be" contrary to what it means to be human relinquish dem standing so i call dem 'nothing'. You know when you really sight it, There just a handful of Humans out there, Maybe just one, SELASSIE I THE FIRST, Long story
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: The Fruitarian One on December 29, 2007, 11:03:49 PM
Because I only recognize Humans as Humans. And ones who want to "be" contrary to what it means to be human relinquish dem standing so i call dem 'nothing'. You know when you really sight it, There just a handful of Humans out there, Maybe just one, SELASSIE I THE FIRST, Long story

Maybe your right in that sense because none of us are perfect or act perfect in any way, shape or form but all we can do I guess is to make choices and live by them.....come what may.

peace an love

F1
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: surfmon_I on December 29, 2007, 11:43:15 PM
Bredrin Elijah, With all due raspect, I do not view any the way the I do. on this we do not agree, but so be it.
Does that mean we are to trash all that has been built?, even if it does not sound like much, it has got to be overcome.
~S~
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on December 29, 2007, 11:53:08 PM
Bred Elijah....its funny and accurate that you say I and I are nothing......
coz Nada is one of the names given to I by Spirit....so I had a chuckle at the accuracy of that observation.
It seems your intuition is working    :D
 I am nothing and it feels fine to me
Jah is everything I am Nada
so Blessings Bredda!!!!! the I is surely keepin it real for I!!!!!
OneLove
Sistah Nyah I
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: Soldier of Jah on December 30, 2007, 12:06:23 AM
JAH allmighty made us, JAH allmighty is within us. He is within animal, nature, human, everything! So how can you say we are nuttin? How can you say we are "just" humans? If we were "just" humans, and nuttin more, would God have made us? God, JAH allmighty, is with us and withing us. And because of that, we are SO much more then just humans. Bless up!
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: Empress AliJah on December 30, 2007, 12:16:21 AM
Greetings In the Name of the Most High
Peace and Love Brotha Elijah, Give thanks InI as the I is aware feel the I's frustration on some of the Issues here at nicks,
RasTafari is a Livity of the Ancient Order of Afrikan Livity,  the  teachings of Our Ancestors  that have been passed down seemed to get watered down to a point some times that we must love Ivery one accept iverything claim to be leaders  and  follow nothing but our phyisical wants and needs, InI am not passing Judgement on any I but as the saying goes if the cap fits wear it if it a squeeze yuh head or cover yuh eyes fling it back, Why does it always seem that if an I highlights that we have veered off the true course of RasTafari some I some where will take it parsonally or try to undermine the Blessings of Our Incient Livity, The truth is the Same Yesterday as it is today and will be tomorrow because the Truth is the Truth is The Truth never changing always ramaining what it is the Truth,
InI can only Raspect that which is Raspectful to H.I.M. InI can only accept what Jah has set as Acceptable, Not iverything we want we need and some times the things we need is not what we want,We cannot keep choping and changing InI and All I Livity to suit the days of Our existance but Embrace what it is To be RASTA in these Days,
Peace and Love
HOLY EMMANUEL I KING SELASSIE I JAH RASTAFARI & I&ALL I
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on December 30, 2007, 12:49:21 AM
Elijah said I and I are nothing? No, I said I and I are Rastafari and anything else is nothing. Most people here don't even know that I and I means something more than just talking about themselves in some kind of 'cool' way they don't even understand. ooooh!! but watch what happens when I say that, the 15 year olds of England are gonna move against me for that one no doubt. The terms been all but ruined, since people on the internet started talking about how I and I are going out to get some coffee. Surfmon, I, Whose talking about destruction?
Rastafari is Life, all that against Rastafari is not Rastafari or Life and is nothing. But see how dem wear it. Nya I wasnt talking or thinking about the I when I wrote the Hippy Slackness bit, Would you deny that there is an element of Hippy Slackness trying to use His majesty as cover for their confusion? If not, your just causing more disruption cause you know what I meant and its TRUE, The dreadlocked elephant in the room strikes again.....

More Fiyah
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: MaoriLion on December 30, 2007, 12:57:13 AM
We argue because its human nature, simple as that. No need for 3 pages of reasoning its just what people do. We don't like something we say its wrong  and then we have an argument, conversation, reasoning what ever you want to call it. What the I is missing is that argument, when its only small words, can be a beautiful thing, it lets us know that we have passion and that we care enough about our opinions and our rights that we want to defend them. Much raspect for everyone here, Jah bless everyone.
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: The Fruitarian One on December 30, 2007, 01:10:45 AM
Why does it always seem that if an I highlights that we have veered off the true course of RasTafari some I some where will take it parsonally or try to undermine the Blessings of Our Incient Livity,
HOLY EMMANUEL I KING SELASSIE I JAH RASTAFARI & I&ALL I

I think you answered your own question to that, I put your answer in bold text:
we have veered off the true course of RasTafari

the movement has been diluted by people that no longer share or know the history of the Rasta movement as it once was!....that's how I see it and that is your answer.

Peace an love

F1
Posted on: December 30, 2007, 01:00:51 am
Elijah said I and I are nothing? No, I said I and I are Rastafari and anything else is nothing. Most people here don't even know that I and I means something more than just talking about themselves in some kind of 'cool' way they don't even understand. ooooh!! but watch what happens when I say that, the 15 year olds of England are gonna move against me for that one no doubt. The terms been all but ruined, since people on the internet started talking about how I and I are going out to get some coffee. Surfmon, I, Whose talking about destruction?
Rastafari is Life, all that against Rastafari is not Rastafari or Life and is nothing. But see how dem wear it. Nya I wasnt talking or thinking about the I when I wrote the Hippy Slackness bit, Would you deny that there is an element of Hippy Slackness trying to use His majesty as cover for their confusion? If not, your just causing more disruption cause you know what I meant and its TRUE, The dreadlocked elephant in the room strikes again.....

More Fiyah

Well to be honest with you I think I would be associated with that "Hippy Slackness " you talk about because I believe in love to all things but does that really make me a "slack hippie" that would surely be ashame, I also believe that there is also a time to be strong and to stand up for what is right, I don't believe that Jah would have me spending my whole life being militant as that would not bring much joy!

At this point I feel that this discussion is going elsewhere and is only feeding the doubting side of me as I am starting to see the rasta movement in a negative light because of the reactions displayed.

So I think at this point I will bow out of this thread.

peace an love

F1
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on December 30, 2007, 01:16:42 AM
We argue because its human nature, simple as that. No need for 3 pages of reasoning its just what people do. We don't like something we say its wrong  and then we have an argument, conversation, reasoning what ever you want to call it. What the I is missing is that argument, when its only small words, can be a beautiful thing, it lets us know that we have passion and that we care enough about our opinions and our rights that we want to defend them. Much raspect for everyone here, Jah bless everyone.

The problem is when the argument goes in a circle leading nowhere and gets in the way of meaningful interaction. So don't try to cut my thread short little lion. We haven't even address ONE issue, which is my point, Why do we argue so much that after three pages we haven't even address one point of what are some fundamental issues fit for reasoning? Still arguing about nothing? Sabotage? You tell me. People so busy Jah Bless this Jah Bless that, There's no such thing as Rasta anymore when our people a dying out there. So why is it Iveryone keep trying to say I missing someting, ever through it might be U missing something?
Posted on: December 30, 2007, 01:11:53 am
I think you answered your own question to that, I put your answer in bold text:
we have veered off the true course of RasTafari

the movement has been diluted by people that no longer share or know the history of the Rasta movement as it once was!....that's how I see it and that is your answer.

Peace an love

F1
Posted on: December 30, 2007, 01:00:51 am
Well to be honest with you I think I would be associated with that "Hippy Slackness " you talk about because I believe in love to all things but does that really make me a "slack hippie" that would surely be ashame, I also believe that there is also a time to be strong and to stand up for what is right, I don't believe that Jah would have me spending my whole life being militant as that would not bring much joy!

At this point I feel that this discussion is going elsewhere and is only feeding the doubting side of me as I am starting to see the rasta movement in a negative light because of the reactions displayed.

So I think at this point I will bow out of this thread.

peace an love

F1


Ok. I feel you but I hope you read this. believe it or not YOU, YOU have done for this board what no 'rasta' has been able so far. Why? Because you believe in something and you understand how the world will try to take that away. So feel no way, about Hippy Slackness if that's not who you are its certainly not about Love which is Tafari middle name, But rasta Fiyah Haffe BUN!! U don know, And we not taking rasponsibilty for people who step in the way of a lion.
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: The Fruitarian One on December 30, 2007, 01:50:16 AM
The problem is when the argument goes in a circle leading nowhere and gets in the way of meaningful interaction. So don't try to cut my thread short little lion. We haven't even address ONE issue, which is my point, Why do we argue so much that after three pages we haven't even address one point of what are some fundamental issues fit for reasoning? Still arguing about nothing? Sabotage? You tell me. People so busy Jah Bless this Jah Bless that, There's no such thing as Rasta anymore when our people a dying out there. So why is it Iveryone keep trying to say I missing someting, ever through it might be U missing something?
Posted on: December 30, 2007, 01:11:53 am

Ok. I feel you but I hope you read this. believe it or not YOU, YOU have done for this board what no 'rasta' has been able so far. Why? Because you believe in something and you understand how the world will try to take that away. So feel no way, about Hippy Slackness if that's not who you are its certainly not about Love which is Tafari middle name, But rasta Fiyah Haffe BUN!! U don know, And we not taking rasponsibilty for people who step in the way of a lion.

Greetings Bredren

Like I said to you before I totally agree with you in the sense that your a purist that is standing for what you feel is right, as I see it your standing up for the original philosophies of the Rasta movement, I can see now that there's many, many people in the Rasta movement claiming to be Rasta that really are not in it for the right reasons, in that sense I totally overstand where your coming from and your reactions which is why I don't take offence to what your saying because I understand your dilema, etc and maybe game recognises game, I don't know....but I see you as a man amongst men an more power to you, like I say, I've been through the same thing with Fruitarianism so I can relate 100%.

It's not easy being a warrior/leader/defender and it is often a lonely job!....and like I said before your actions will often be mis-understood!!!...which often leads to arguing and frustration, I don't agree in belittling people for being a certain way because that just distracts from a subject that is already distracted seen.

As for the "hippie slackness" I don't know, that was just me partialy messing with you but what I do know is that it's for more enjoyable being happy and spreading love but that doesn't mean that you still cannot be a warrior at another time that is deemed fit, as I said I feel it's best to save the fight for the real oppressers/babylon when the real situation dictates!

Peace an love

F1


Posted on: December 30, 2007, 01:39:50 am

 Because you believe in something and you understand how the world will try to take that away.

Well, Elijah I, I don't see it as Babylon being against me or the world trying to take what I believe in away, it's just that people in general are lazy, a lot of people want the glory but don't want to put the work in to get it and that's why movements get diluted and principles get lost, there's very few people that have the drive, intensity, dicipline and dedication to consistanly put the work in especially when it comes to the more serious movements, I think a lot of people are in claiming to be rasta for the wrong reasons maybe because they like music/bob marley or the smoking of ganja or maybe they don't feel accepted elsewhere, I don't know but either way the real work/meaning gets cast to one side....anyway I'm rambling now!!!

Peace an love

F1
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on December 30, 2007, 02:54:00 AM
As to belittlement 'tough love' is my only defense. I hear what your saying and I agree. I suppose its just my perspective that babylon is something that can live within all of us so when I burn bredrin its just the wickedness leaching off dem soul I'm fighting. I know Iveryone is fundamentally perfect, But that serious fiyah is the only way to ever realize it.

Ites Senor Fruita its been real
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: Human on December 30, 2007, 03:16:55 AM
One Love to you ElijahI, this is what Selassie taught I, and all I need is I to give it back. I feel no way for what you said, it is simply a sign to me which I will keep to myself.
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on December 30, 2007, 04:24:20 AM
Well I think we ARE getting somewhere...and when we critize the youth for seeking and finding some community and answers to their personal dilemmas...we discredit Jahs PERFECT plan...but there is perfection in that too......no t I will NEVA condone complacency...their is too much serious stuff going on for that....and EliJAh......I DO know what yah mean by "hippy slackness" and its a problem...I live in Hippy capital so I do know Hippy slackness and altho there are elements of true Rasta Spirit within it...the elements of selfishness, personal greed, hedonism, and individualism, as well as arrogance and irreverence are grevious to my soul...and I grew up in it so I do know what i'm talking about...and yet hippy culture has at its roots the same spirit as Rasta - a resistance to the white -supremacy colonialism, a feeling of indignation for the powers of greed and arrogant destruction of time-honoured meaningful culture and land ....a faith in the natural world of healing thru herbs, vegetarianism, Ital life and living in nature, a deep raspect and reverence for the natural world and a willingness to step away from the dominator-culture and examine Self in an attempt to bring about a conscious and just world for self and others....where hippy culture still stumbles in I view is the Babylon ones are loath to rid demselves of.....and the overly individualistic immature selfishness that undermines community and the true coming together thru selfless service...still we aren't doing too badly, we continue to fight the good fight for human and equal rights despite little support and much opposition....too many people making money off things the way they are and the poor struggle on.......We keep working and talking and we are sure to get it together - I trust Jah, against all odds Jah prevails, NOTHING can undermine I trust in JahJAh and really He already won the battle for we and the works we continue to do in His name secure the future, but we mustn't give up!!!!!!!!!!I need you all for I am lonely here with soooo much to do and a lot to give and when I cup is full it naturally overflows, no need to get discouraged or force tings...just do what feels natural and right and Jah will take care of the rest....In I sight
Blessings Jah does ITINUALLY bestow upon those open enuff to recieve
Your Sistah Nyah I
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: MaoriLion on December 30, 2007, 04:32:54 AM
I wasnt trying to cut the I short Elijah but the I is right where going in circles, thats because as I said its HUMAN NATURE. We will argue and complain and be mad because we are human so it will go in circles. We won't accept the other opinion unless we think its right so we get a circle. But I did adress the issue and infact it was the main subject of I point, human nature bredren! the point is that human nature is the answer and the only answer to that is well.. the end of humans.
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: The Fruitarian One on December 30, 2007, 04:40:48 AM
As to belittlement 'tough love' is my only defense. I hear what your saying and I agree. I suppose its just my perspective that babylon is something that can live within all of us so when I burn bredrin its just the wickedness leaching off dem soul I'm fighting. I know Iveryone is fundamentally perfect, But that serious fiyah is the only way to ever realize it.

Ites Senor Fruita its been real

Ha,ha your talking like me gawn!!!...I'm juss leaving dis thread, I'm still gonna be around because this ting is in my heart, I've just got to see the wood for the trees....many are called but few are chosen as somebody here stated and I must question so I know who knows right from wrong.

Peace an love

F1
Title: Re: Why Do Rasta Aurgue So Much?
Post by: msgal on January 04, 2008, 03:50:16 AM
Yah know, I can't think of any place I've been where there wasn't arguing.
I seems like when people get together and share ideas there are always those
who feel they know the "true" answer and everyone needs to know what they know.
It's hard for most people to realize that there could be more than one "true" answer.
They are probably well meaning but short sighted.
And then of course there are those who just like to argue.
I don't think that's most tho.

Bless