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Title: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: The Fruitarian One on December 27, 2007, 08:56:04 PM
I wanna pose a question to you guys...

Do you think that more people desire to be Rasta because they are more concerned with the Rasta culture than the religion?

When I say Rasta culture I'm talking about the betterment of black people, one love and a closeness to nature.

It seems to me that Rasta is a higher form of christianity and relies on a strong belief in Jah...

I would honestly say that as a blackman with Jamaican parents the Rasta culture is and has always been in my heart but as far as the religion part, I have to question that side of it, maybe I'm just an activist at heart and the Rasta culture is the closest lifestyle I can relate to.....

What's your opinion on this!

peace and love

F1

Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: moses on December 27, 2007, 09:53:51 PM
Greetings !

Avoid stepping into a place and allow others to tell something about the I (u as a person). Opinions alike. It is not of real use truely, much of it may switch into unnecessary wishful thinking. The platform like these can do much better if can be used to trigger some change among inI. Not really substuting beliefs for beliefs. Thats garbage... Wheather u find it in here or elsewhere. It is trash... And for sure it hurts idren when they hear something that challenges what they have been clinging into is being discredited in certain way. But sometimes it happens that what is being said is more vivid to what one have been clinging to... What to do? Someone better call 911 hahaha... but where? Let that friction cleanse the I. And if love for the living wisdome is there, it will soften InI parts that which are hard... And completely dissolve them if the I wont take it personal too much.

And also what others believe or tend to think is not significant for ur personal transformation. Least it is information, but what for? Food for thought or what? What also u tend perceive as a person is not of any use for I an I. This way is how the I cant attract many unnecessary arguments upon nonetheless, unvital issues.

Be observant to personal perspectives or judgement upon religious issues like talking about rasta seemingly 'a higher form of christianity'. It could be something of ur personal bias... So dont let the self be the key of ur search. It will create barriers to practical wisdom. A self may serve its own selfish ends by harnessing the fruit of conflict to the like. And there is no need for self + other self made of rubbish of dusty knowledge. It could be more pleasant and beatifual if these apparently separate selves should move toward the same center. It is possible, and it is beatiful when we move together toward our home, Zion. Thats where inI literrally say Jah sits at mount Zion; and from there rules all the creation. Now Zion is what InI could be longing for; to have the glimpe of Rasta trod... Exodus: Movement of Jah People. Leaving babylon yard... Going to our father's land, and shim is one of the same, now what is color had to do with? The breath is all and the same that lives in InI. Outer color is a just a color like any color can be. Nations and boundaries are human boundaries and the characteristic of being away from recognition of InI home. That home is the very center; The seat of the Most I... And All.

Therefore Rasta has fundamental characteristic flow of self Emancipation, Freedom and Love. And it is dynamic. If u tend to fixate it; then u may pin it to history... Now that is a wrong way, will take one into the dead end. Yet u can perceive it as a certain quality of living and relating, now this is religiousness. It is no longer fixed thing and it goes deep into the common soul attributes; for InI. And universally the same to the core essence of all religious aspiration, freedom from the boundage.

Now InI found ourselves together in this place because; deep within, we feel the same beat to share the depth of light and feeling that reverberate within. And its easier to get astray with mind tricks wanting to feed on its own world of vain pursuit of knowledge and vanity. Bun It ! DOnt get vexed on them things like. Bob sang something like this in his song 'Stiff Naked Fool'. Contemplate... And loose urself... Let Love and light lead the way. Thats the way of a rasta. We feel Jah, live up... Giving Thanks and Praise, Itinually.

Jah Guide


Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: The Fruitarian One on December 27, 2007, 10:02:54 PM
Sorry if I offended anybody or if the question was meaningless as that was not the intention, I'm new and being the way I am I'm gonna ask questions and at the same time question myself which is what one of the intentions of this post was.

Peace an love

F1
Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on December 27, 2007, 10:16:05 PM
I think sighting Rasta as a "higher form of Chistianity" is true, and I couldn't have said it better myself. There's many people claiming "rasta" based on some of the upfull things you were mentioning but when it comes to the more orthodox scriptural and Iritual sights them back away, but still want to claim rasta. I think its probably jealousy or the need to belong or them just haven't reach the place where they dont need to speculate. Ill tell you this, As a Jew maybe no one was more adverse to Christianity. I risked losing my family and a culture we had resisted for 2000 years, But based on His Majesties word I checked it and it turns out to be true. Its one of the hardest things but if you love and trust JAH then you know he's never going to let you down. What I dont understand is why some people want to go on is if His Majesty wasn't churchical. And in light of the facts cant hold the order. So I sight much truth in Bredrin Moses reasoning but to me its just scattered and orderless, Feel no way F.O If we look to JAH as an example He make things real simple and clear, Murphys Law seen.


Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: moses on December 27, 2007, 10:17:46 PM
Yes I .....


           More and More Conscious livity is a way of rasta.


...... No confrotation, unless otherwise babylon stumbles upon I an I



^^^^ Feel the base of the subtle impulses within the I; everytime u are to communicate, I-ducate or sharing if it sounds selfish like abort and withdraw from acting.... Wait until the feeling is fine.



It is all well.




Bless Up
Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: Soldier of Jah on December 27, 2007, 10:21:07 PM
Ites! I will tell you my oppinion about why Rasta is not a religion... Here it goes!

In all religions in time, there has been killing in Gods name, killing eachother due to different oppinions. Wars, and much like that, because of religions! What is religions really? Its rules made by man to help the society not to be criminals and bad. Faith is a thing connected with JAH. But just because your in a so called 'religion' your not closer to God, are you? Religion doesnt create faith. Faith is a wonderfull and beautiful thing. But religion is just rules for us to keep us good. Say the 10 commandments... Why do you think people follow those 'rules'? Its not because its connected to a religion. Its because its common sense. Not to kill and cheat and things like that, i knew that before knowing of religion! And thats common sense not to run around killing people, isnt it? So faith is a bond to JAH allmighty. And religion is a group of people who has faith. So we dont really need a religion do we? We only need faith. See what i mean brother? Thats why Rasta is not a religion, because we dont have these rules to follow just because its written. We have our own rules, and why do we follow them? Because we see them as the right thing to do! And we might follow rules written in the Bible and such ofcourse, but why do we follow them? Atleast me, i dont follow them because its written, i follow them because they make sense to me and i think its a good and right thing to follow. And also that is why i see the Bible as a guide and not a book of rules! Seen?
That is my oppinion about all this! Keep di fiyah burnin! Bless!
RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: The Fruitarian One on December 27, 2007, 10:38:41 PM
I think sighting Rasta as a "higher form of Chistianity" is true, and I couldn't have said it better myself. There's many people claiming "rasta" based on some of the upfull things you were mentioning but when it comes to the more orthodox scriptural and Iritual sights them back away, but still want to claim rasta. I think its probably jealousy or the need to belong or them just haven't reach the place where they dont need to speculate. Ill tell you this, As a Jew maybe no one was more adverse to Christianity. I risked losing my family and a culture we had resisted for 2000 years, But based on His Majesties word I checked it and it turns out to be true. Its one of the hardest things but if you love and trust JAH then you know he's never going to let you down. What I dont understand is why some people want to go on is if His Majesty wasn't churchical. And in light of the facts cant hold the order. So I sight much truth in Bredrin Moses reasoning but to me its just scattered and orderless, Feel no way F.O If we look to JAH as an example He make things real simple and clear, Murphys Law seen.




True tings!!

I don't wanna be one of those people claiming to be rasta but running away from what is at it's core..and from everything I read JAH/religion is the essence of Rasta....so I got to ask questions and question myself and my true intentions, I can't call myself Rasta if I'm olny in it for the culture, just like someone cannot call themselves Fruitarian if they eat meat, this post was a way of working things out in my head and I wanted to share it with y'all...I have to ask myself if I'm really for this path and I don't want to force it on myself just to feel like I belong somewhere.

peace an love

F1
Posted on: December 27, 2007, 10:31:03 pm
Yes I .....


           More and More Conscious livity is a way of rasta.


...... No confrotation, unless otherwise babylon stumbles upon I an I



^^^^ Feel the base of the subtle impulses within the I; everytime u are to communicate, I-ducate or sharing if it sounds selfish like abort and withdraw from acting.... Wait until the feeling is fine.



It is all well.




Bless Up

I like you Moses!

peace an love

F1
Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on December 27, 2007, 10:42:59 PM
One Love Bredrin,
I just want to say that if your wondering, Bredrin Like Moses and Fiyah may be even more advanced than me with the mystics and you should hear dem sights, I don't want you to think I'm trying to discredit the mystic, But that in these times, Give an inch and they take a mile.
Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: The Fruitarian One on December 27, 2007, 11:08:55 PM
Ites! I will tell you my oppinion about why Rasta is not a religion... Here it goes!

In all religions in time, there has been killing in Gods name, killing eachother due to different oppinions. Wars, and much like that, because of religions! What is religions really? Its rules made by man to help the society not to be criminals and bad. Faith is a thing connected with JAH. But just because your in a so called 'religion' your not closer to God, are you? Religion doesnt create faith. Faith is a wonderfull and beautiful thing. But religion is just rules for us to keep us good. Say the 10 commandments... Why do you think people follow those 'rules'? Its not because its connected to a religion. Its because its common sense. Not to kill and cheat and things like that, i knew that before knowing of religion! And thats common sense not to run around killing people, isnt it? So faith is a bond to JAH allmighty. And religion is a group of people who has faith. So we dont really need a religion do we? We only need faith. See what i mean brother? Thats why Rasta is not a religion, because we dont have these rules to follow just because its written. We have our own rules, and why do we follow them? Because we see them as the right thing to do! And we might follow rules written in the Bible and such ofcourse, but why do we follow them? Atleast me, i dont follow them because its written, i follow them because they make sense to me and i think its a good and right thing to follow. And also that is why i see the Bible as a guide and not a book of rules! Seen?
That is my oppinion about all this! Keep di fiyah burnin! Bless!
RASTAFARI

Thanks for your input bredren....

From what I've been reading here and on the internet/videos, etc, I personaly think that we can all interpret Religion, Rules, the bible anyway we want but the facts remain that the essence/core of Rasta has always been a belief in Jah and holy scriptures in whatever form that takes, it might be H.I.M or it might be Jesus Christ, it might be the bible or holy piby the choice is yours depending on where your coming from, but either way religion however you wanna interpret or word that is at the core of Rasta.

I personaly believe that the bible is a book of stories collected to be used as a guildeline for community living, having said that not everything in it is for these times or is practical to act out, I may be right or I may be wrong but that's just my opinion.

peace an love

F1
Posted on: December 27, 2007, 10:53:14 pm
One Love Bredrin,
I just want to say that if your wondering, Bredrin Like Moses and Fiyah may be even more advanced than me with the mystics and you should hear dem sights, I don't want you to think I'm trying to discredit the mystic, But that in these times, Give an inch and they take a mile.

Greetings Bredren

If that was for me, I didn't understand it, maybe you wanna PM me.

Peace an love

F1
Posted on: December 27, 2007, 10:55:13 pm
One Love Bredrin,
I just want to say that if your wondering, Bredrin Like Moses and Fiyah may be even more advanced than me with the mystics and you should hear dem sights, I don't want you to think I'm trying to discredit the mystic, But that in these times, Give an inch and they take a mile.

Oh btw...what's a mystic?

peace an love

F1
Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: moses on December 27, 2007, 11:28:51 PM
I think sighting Rasta as a "higher form of Chistianity" is true, and I couldn't have said it better myself. There's many people claiming "rasta" based on some of the upfull things you were mentioning but when it comes to the more orthodox scriptural and Iritual sights them back away, but still want to claim rasta. I think its probably jealousy or the need to belong or them just haven't reach the place where they dont need to speculate. Ill tell you this, As a Jew maybe no one was more adverse to Christianity. I risked losing my family and a culture we had resisted for 2000 years, But based on His Majesties word I checked it and it turns out to be true. Its one of the hardest things but if you love and trust JAH then you know he's never going to let you down. What I dont understand is why some people want to go on is if His Majesty wasn't churchical. And in light of the facts cant hold the order. So I sight much truth in Bredrin Moses reasoning but to me its just scattered and orderless, Feel no way F.O If we look to JAH as an example He make things real simple and clear, Murphys Law seen.




Bedrin,

Love

Sometimes time heals issues. Not necessarily everi each one of them.

If the I feel such uneaseness towards the others who the I perceiving to 'think and sight' in a different way then only time may reveal to the I the truth. But the truth to let go... I like to boldly say, even if the I had struggled in a certain way for the certain cause. It doesnt necessary mean the the source itself is flawless. These matters of searching for meaning are not to be taken as a piece of cake and juice. For many people it may mean going into serious trouble, with people, family and even friends. But have going thru a clash of disagreement and secure a personal stronghold of belief or faith is not the last valid and immutable state of truth.

There r many troublesome things people may die for and but the actual fact of all them is partiality... For example... what u have gone thru this life could be a very mini episode in comparison to what u mighty have  undergone tragicly in ur previous lives... It could have been useful for u to broaden ur overstanding of the cumbersome phenomena of life. If the I does not seize sufficient lifeforce(love) to solve and heal the consequences of such a small episode in this life in comparison to many hidden behind the curtain. Do the I think that the I have sufficient faith and love and to let go and hence heal all the I's uneasiness towards the self, others and casted beliefs of the ages? Life had not began when ur were born nor will it end when the I dies. But the secrets can be grasped well if at least u show to be worthy of profound love, courage and a will to let go. Now Iman dont take into consideration if the I is capable of going thru metaphysics of soul on personal base or the scriptures come first. But least I can tell the I is, life may involve many struggles some of them could very ancient recurrence and can not be full grasped if only one life is to be the casestudy. Search for more meaning, and beyond the scriptures...

The spiritual demise of man lies in his despairing to keep on finding the immense healing posibilities that he hold inside of himself. Not even belief of god or g-d is of practical help. For the most part of it. They may retard someone of finding the hidden keys to the inner self which would have directly instill the living scriptures on the temple of man, the temple of god within. And one may easier forsaken this key for the rigid outer system of thought. To Iman, this not a very difficulty thing... Most people who think they are religious tend create boundaries according to how they subscribe to a certain outer religion way. They tend to instill/impose the same system of thought to others, if they succed... They tend to live within the illusion of being correct. And if they fail, it hurts them. Now this is sick part of it... If u tend to feel unease because someone disagree with ur views, then it ur ego which is the cause, and not ur deeper self. And having a separate ego is certainly a dis-easedly case.

To drop that ego is the key to sanity.

There is a subtle door for healing the ego complexition that is Love. Contemplate on 1 Corinthians 13 chapter. if anything thing comes thru; of clarity and help, give thanks. If not wait until the I will learn the mysterious ways of LOVE.

Drop words and divisions and embrace the ways of the heart.

The blissfull people in the rasta movement are those who follows the ways of the heart. But those who live for the head? IT IS HELL... No wonder they turn around and fight one of their own. But there are so many things in between.


Jah Love

Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: The Fruitarian One on December 27, 2007, 11:48:10 PM
Bedrin,


The blissfull people in the rasta movement are those who follows the ways of the heart. But those who live for the head? IT IS HELL... No wonder they turn around and fight one of their own. But there are so many things in between.


Jah Love



May I please ask you to share...

What is your interpretation of following the ways of the heart?....and in what context do you mean that?

I could follow my heart and call myself a Rasta because in my heart the culture is in my heart but would that be right?

peace an love

F1
Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on December 28, 2007, 12:01:36 AM
Not to interupt but i just a go tack my praise,


Moses Idren Bless Beloved, I read tru your ting, and you really coming up lion, the I gonna be osha next year...moses and elijah.....I apricilove your insight and its all true, But see how you say most people, many people....That true too, But If its not every people its not true to me, and when the I starts talking about 'casted beliefs of the ages' I'm ready to speak, u think i dont know people are tired of the BS, But still Iyah, I and I through Haile Selassie are the living true embodiment and testiment to the Ible. So we Defend the Faith Everytime Dread. Come what may. All your saying is fiyah, but you must learn to teach in a way that doesn't dishonor the scriptures and trodition that the emperor represented. Im not saying that you have to believe it, the fact is no one knows, its all debatable, but if you writing about how its *definantly* not literal, or *definantly a myth, then you breaking line with the tribe. Can you not say what your saying while still being open to Orthodox Interpretation? Because if you cant, I would reconsider the whole thing if I was I.  

Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: The Fruitarian One on December 28, 2007, 12:34:30 AM
Ites! I will tell you my oppinion about why Rasta is not a religion... Here it goes!

In all religions in time, there has been killing in Gods name, killing eachother due to different oppinions. Wars, and much like that, because of religions! What is religions really? Its rules made by man to help the society not to be criminals and bad. Faith is a thing connected with JAH. But just because your in a so called 'religion' your not closer to God, are you? Religion doesnt create faith. Faith is a wonderfull and beautiful thing. But religion is just rules for us to keep us good. Say the 10 commandments... Why do you think people follow those 'rules'? Its not because its connected to a religion. Its because its common sense. Not to kill and cheat and things like that, i knew that before knowing of religion! And thats common sense not to run around killing people, isnt it? So faith is a bond to JAH allmighty. And religion is a group of people who has faith. So we dont really need a religion do we? We only need faith. See what i mean brother? Thats why Rasta is not a religion, because we dont have these rules to follow just because its written. We have our own rules, and why do we follow them? Because we see them as the right thing to do! And we might follow rules written in the Bible and such ofcourse, but why do we follow them? Atleast me, i dont follow them because its written, i follow them because they make sense to me and i think its a good and right thing to follow. And also that is why i see the Bible as a guide and not a book of rules! Seen?
That is my oppinion about all this! Keep di fiyah burnin! Bless!
RASTAFARI

Greetings Bredren

Truss me I've read your post twice now and I understand where your coming from and I agree with what your saying but from what I've read and everything I've seen on other websites you cannot call yourself Rasta based on a random desire to belong or good intentions, which is why I cannot call myself or become a Rasta because I have doubts about the Jah/scriptures/bible/religion and probably always will even though I do believe there is an unexplainable higher power, but even that isn't grounds to be  Ras Tafari as it is known, but I do know that the Rasta culture is and has always been in my heart strong.

If I'm wrong then I'm open to reasoning....but like I say from all I have read and seen a strong foundation belief in the scripture and in Jah is the essence of the Rasta movement, I think Elijah said it best for me, he said in one post..."You can't call yourself a Christian and not belive in God" and from all I've read that's exactly how I see it, I've not seen anywhere that says otherwise either.

peace an love

F1
Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: Soldier of Jah on December 28, 2007, 12:39:52 AM
Read the long long personal message i sent to you brother. You will overstand what im talking about then. Who can judge me if im rasta or not? Noone can. Only God. And noone here is God, so noone here can judge me either, seen? I believe in the scriptures in the way i want to believe them, the way i see is right. I believe in God the way i believe in. I follow the scriptures the way i see i should. So noone can tell me im not a rasta... Because i know i am. Bless.
Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: The Fruitarian One on December 28, 2007, 12:54:41 AM
Read the long long personal message i sent to you brother. You will overstand what im talking about then. Who can judge me if im rasta or not? Noone can. Only God. And noone here is God, so noone here can judge me either, seen? I believe in the scriptures in the way i want to believe them, the way i see is right. I believe in God the way i believe in. I follow the scriptures the way i see i should. So noone can tell me im not a rasta... Because i know i am. Bless.

Greetings bredren soj

I think that this would be my approach too because this is what is in my heart too as well as the rasta culture but I still have to question myself to be sure of my intentions plus I know for a fact that that approach would be frowned upon harshly by others and I don't know if that approach would be acceptable in the Rasta movement, maybe others can guide/reason with me on this so as to put me in the right direction, like I say I also view the bible as a book of guidelines for living but I don't know if this approach would be acceptable becauce I know that if someone told me they were fruitarian yet went out and got a burger I'd have suppum to say about it....ha,ha

peace an love

F1
Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: Soldier of Jah on December 28, 2007, 01:00:38 AM
Yes brother, i will give you an example... Im a vegetarian, and we know vegetarians dont eat meat right? And if you eat meat, your not a vegetarian, yes? But its not like that with Rasta... Because there's always different beliefs, thoughts and oppinions about everything. Everything is acceptable, because nothing is wrong. Everyone have different oppinions, and for the person, thats the right thing to think, yes? So for each person, his or hers oppinion is the right one. In that way, there's nuttin that should be rejected, and everything should be accepted because its our own interpretation. See what i mean?
Bless
Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: The Fruitarian One on December 28, 2007, 01:11:27 AM
Yes brother, i will give you an example... Im a vegetarian, and we know vegetarians dont eat meat right? And if you eat meat, your not a vegetarian, yes? But its not like that with Rasta... Because there's always different beliefs, thoughts and oppinions about everything. Everything is acceptable, because nothing is wrong. Everyone have different oppinions, and for the person, thats the right thing to think, yes? So for each person, his of hers oppinion is the right one. In that way, there's nuttin that should be rejected, and everything should be accepted because its our own interpretation. See what i mean?
Bless

Greetings Bredren

I can totally see where your coming from, I've not seen it explained like that anywhere so that's why I gotta question, so I can get things right in my head, I know what my heart says but i want to also run it by my head too, every rasta website I go to, every rasta info I read I see rasta based religion, I don't see it anywhere that you can make of it what you wish and this is where my confusion stems from because I want to know what I'm getting into.

Plus if everything is accepted because of different opinions why is there so much fussing an arguing/fighting among different Rasta houses and on forums?...I'm not trying to be clever or confrontational, juss questioning.

peace an love

F1

Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: Soldier of Jah on December 28, 2007, 01:16:08 AM
Hmm... One thing you maybe missunderstood me... You cannot change Rasta how you want it... Every oppinion is accepted, but Rasta cannot be changed. Only your oppinion about Rasta, seen? You cant make Rasta and change it how you wish. Because your not changing Rasta, your changing your oppinion. And why is there so much arguing if everything is accepted? Mainly because people think their oppinion is the best and they want to convince others that, and the others think their oppinion is better. So thats why the 'convincing' / arguing takes part. We should respect and listen to eachother, but not try to convince eachother if the other person has a different view. We can explain what we think, and give good points, but not try to recruit or convince. What i mean with "everything is accepted" is that i mean everything should be respected and not rejected. We cannot reject other oppinions just like that, because then there would only be arguments in Rasta movement, seen? Blessings!
Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: moses on December 28, 2007, 07:46:28 AM
Not to interupt but i just a go tack my praise,


Moses Idren Bless Beloved, I read tru your ting, and you really coming up lion, the I gonna be osha next year...moses and elijah.....I apricilove your insight and its all true, But see how you say most people, many people....That true too, But If its not every people its not true to me, and when the I starts talking about 'casted beliefs of the ages' I'm ready to speak, u think i dont know people are tired of the BS, But still Iyah, I and I through Haile Selassie are the living true embodiment and testiment to the Ible. So we Defend the Faith Everytime Dread. Come what may. All your saying is fiyah, but you must learn to teach in a way that doesn't dishonor the scriptures and trodition that the emperor represented. Im not saying that you have to believe it, the fact is no one knows, its all debatable, but if you writing about how its *definantly* not literal, or *definantly a myth, then you breaking line with the tribe. Can you not say what your saying while still being open to Orthodox Interpretation? Because if you cant, I would reconsider the whole thing if I was I.  



Ha ha ha Iyah... It is well and okay my bedrin... I can respect what the I represents. Eloquently said, bless mon. Defend ur nation and it ago make the the I Tough tho ;) cheers. :D After a while, it something more calls... I pray the I would keep whichever that comes real. The I would be soured more than ever and that will be multiplication of talents. Sela

Changing tones is the way of a game and Iman give Thanks that the I dont take it personal, it shows the I's  overstanding. Ises !

The deliberate move to dismay scriptures and some of orthodox concept is to shaken other people so that they began to consider some other issues. Sure it is the bomb... But have some boldness as the I have done so to speak for the I's position. Needless to dread; overstand it is being done purposely, thats why the I can see; sometimes InI use them or discard. They are utilitarian... Not rigid substution for consciousness. It is the way InI trigger changes, but only for the ones who have the heart and courage. Religiousness is for the LIONS... And may be, soon to come it ago be more vivid to the people of the authentic path to live up...

InI ago be around for somemore... So InI can still share the beat. Bless it.

Blessed Love,
Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on December 28, 2007, 03:44:50 PM
Don trow the baby with the bathwater. I sight U wan make deliberate moves to shake people, but at the expense of the truth?
Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: moses on December 29, 2007, 05:58:35 AM
which truth for instance bedrin?
Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on December 29, 2007, 04:45:32 PM
In this instance the truth that Jesus Christ literally existed, Which is something one excludes from possibility when teaching that the Bible is corrupted allegory. "casted beliefs of the ages" and so on. In their zeal for reform, people have overlooked the most vital overstanding of all. Which is how JAH designed it. How did dem say? No hoppers can survive this ride? Without an orthodox overstanding the true power of Rastafari's significance is lost. Not that Iveryone got to sight it this way, but they cyaant contradict it, which is how most people carry on, Commoner business.
Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: Empress AliJah on December 29, 2007, 05:58:19 PM
Greetings in the Name of the Most High Jah RasTafari
Blessed Love Ites, firstly let InI say that there is still the Livity to uphold that cannot be questioned and must be accepted by all I's who claim to be Rasta, We cannot say that all things are open to interpretation and acceptance becca thats not right, certain things need to be raspected and upheld

RasTafari Haimant
[Creed and Foundation Principles of RasTafari]
I and I know and affirm that the Almighty Jah!......RasTafari
i     IS HAILE SELASSIE I King of kins, and the Lord of lords, Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah,Ilect
      of I-self and the Light of this world Almighty Almighty without apology. Jah!
ii    RASTAFARI is our incient Livity, regenerating Life immortality, IAHBINGHI is the Law for the I'ncient
     Livity, Truth and Right and Peace and Love, Ital Justice and Prosperity.
iii    MARRAIGE is the carraige for the Family life- The Hola Trinity in the Husband and the children and
     the Mothering Wife.
iv   CLEANLINESS is Ivineliness, To your gender you must dress, Wear clean clothes on a groomed
     clean body, wear them well with majesty.
v    Natuarlness is righteousness; the dread on your head to the food upon your plate.
vi    Ital food is natural food, Eat of the earth leave the animals to birth,
vii    SIX DAYS WORK and the seventh day for rest, work and rest to fulljoy the best.
viii   ZION is on earth-say is AFRIKA the I Birth
ix    SPIRITUAL AND CULTURAL education is Inity for self and also the Nation.
x    MARCUS, Marcus Mosiah Garvey. The Prophet who came with the great prophecy; RasTafari Haile Selassie I,God of Ithiopia will save InI One RasTafari, One Righteous Aim and One Destination to prosper our Nation; Repatriation for Regeneration. 
  From InI and all I's  raspect the groundation and foundations of RasTafari we are aiming to achieve the same things One Love with One Aim One Inity, It is quite simple to look for the planks in each others eyes and it proves some what more difficult to ramove the Splinter from we own, No one just becomes Rasta we are Born Rasta, thats why we say AFRIKA THE PLACE OF I BIRTH, with out reasoning and sharing we become stagnant, it is a joy to see so much overstanding shared and racieved on this post,
May the All Mighty Jah Itinue to Watch Over Guide and Itect
RasTafari Liveth!!!!
Love and Raspect
Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: The Fruitarian One on December 29, 2007, 06:24:34 PM
Greetings in the Name of the Most High Jah RasTafari
Blessed Love Ites, firstly let InI say that there is still the Livity to uphold that cannot be questioned and must be accepted by all I's who claim to be Rasta, We cannot say that all things are open to interpretation and acceptance becca thats not right, certain things need to be raspected and upheld

RasTafari Haimant
[Creed and Foundation Principles of RasTafari]
I and I know and affirm that the Almighty Jah!......RasTafari
i     IS HAILE SELASSIE I King of kins, and the Lord of lords, Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah,Ilect
      of I-self and the Light of this world Almighty Almighty without apology. Jah!
ii    RASTAFARI is our incient Livity, regenerating Life immortality, IAHBINGHI is the Law for the I'ncient
     Livity, Truth and Right and Peace and Love, Ital Justice and Prosperity.
iii    MARRAIGE is the carraige for the Family life- The Hola Trinity in the Husband and the children and
     the Mothering Wife.
iv   CLEANLINESS is Ivineliness, To your gender you must dress, Wear clean clothes on a groomed
     clean body, wear them well with majesty.
v    Natuarlness is righteousness; the dread on your head to the food upon your plate.
vi    Ital food is natural food, Eat of the earth leave the animals to birth,
vii    SIX DAYS WORK and the seventh day for rest, work and rest to fulljoy the best.
viii   ZION is on earth-say is AFRIKA the I Birth
ix    SPIRITUAL AND CULTURAL education is Inity for self and also the Nation.
x    MARCUS, Marcus Mosiah Garvey. The Prophet who came with the great prophecy; RasTafari Haile Selassie I,God of Ithiopia will save InI One RasTafari, One Righteous Aim and One Destination to prosper our Nation; Repatriation for Regeneration. 
  From InI and all I's  raspect the groundation and foundations of RasTafari we are aiming to achieve the same things One Love with One Aim One Inity, It is quite simple to look for the planks in each others eyes and it proves some what more difficult to ramove the Splinter from we own, No one just becomes Rasta we are Born Rasta, thats why we say AFRIKA THE PLACE OF I BIRTH, with out reasoning and sharing we become stagnant, it is a joy to see so much overstanding shared and racieved on this post,
May the All Mighty Jah Itinue to Watch Over Guide and Itect
RasTafari Liveth!!!!
Love and Raspect

Hi Empress AliJah

It would help me greatly if I could reason with you on what you have posted....I hope you can share your insights with me...

Are these guidelines universally known by all rastas or is it just accepted by those that choose to see these guildlines as fact?

You also say that you are born a rasta...I've heard this said many times...

Does that really mean that if you are Black you are born a rasta?...if so what if you are black yet don't believe that H.I.M is God in human form, doeas that mean you are no longer a Rasta all of a sudden?

As I've said before as a blackman I've always felt in my heart I'm a rasta but by rasta rules/religion I'm not....every guideline but one that you just posted is what I've known to be in my heart from birth and that one guildline that I question is believing that H.I.M is God in human form, apart from that my livity and compassion for all creations is probably as good as any rasta I could possibly imagine but religion prevents me from being accepted by my peers, can you shed light on this for me as this is a huge stumbling block for me.

peace an love

F1

Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: Empress AliJah on December 30, 2007, 12:29:46 AM
Greetings in The Name Of The Most High Jah RasTafari
Blesed and Ivine Love
It is said that in the Last Days we will have to seperate Our selves from our closest Loved ones turn from our sons and our daughters, Rasta is not a religion but a Ivine conception of the HEART.Some times that means the I must stand alone and accept the calling of the Most High.Yet InI overstand that many are called but few are chosen, Rastafari is not a competition of who can say the most perfect sweet things and show love and affection to all, We are Rebels/SoulJah's/Warriors, InI ilief is it is our duty in Rastafari to erradicate Babylon and its false teachings, Speak up when somethings not right, Be Raspectful yet Righteous, and ramain Conscious Putting Jah above Iverything, He is the begining and the end The Alpha and The Omega, With out Jah we become nothing ramaining stagnant and unpurposeful, We were Irated to suceed in Life, to work hard and overcome In His Name,So that all I's will racieve Iternal Life in Zion, where there is no night a whole new world, so we haffie ramain strong in these times and Keep fighting the Righteous Fight, with out apology7
Peace and Love
Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: moses on January 03, 2008, 02:44:17 PM
May I please ask you to share...

What is your interpretation of following the ways of the heart?....and in what context do you mean that?

I could follow my heart and call myself a Rasta because in my heart the culture is in my heart but would that be right?

peace an love

F1

After a while, have the I noticed anything which practically answers the I?

-Rewind into post #1 & 2. Conteplate how it had all happen around the area concerning opinions and arguing. Will have to post something to clarify how arguements dont lead to a conclusion. Thus the way of the head is a deadlock.

Jah Bless

Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 04, 2008, 01:56:48 AM
Moses, In the first sentence or your rasponse you implied that this bredrin was "stepping into the place so that people can tell him about Himself" like him have no Internal Authority, You scared of what I have to say isn't it though? Because an open minded seeker with little ego asking straight questions is right up my alley, but you did want it to be revealed that after all the disraspect and dishonor people show me on this site, they should all be studying under me, My mouth too white to know so much about rasta for most people.
Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: Leon on January 04, 2008, 02:30:38 AM
As if moses RUSHED to write the first reply, so that ELIJAH could not get the opportunity? I smell jealousy
Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 04, 2008, 02:42:06 AM
Moses Idren I hope you overstand what I said more than this one seems to.
Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: Nepsis on January 04, 2008, 07:57:32 AM
We are brothers and sisters, good culture supports life as such.

Ras Tafari said "Haimanot yegle now hagar gin yegara now," which means "Religion is private, but country is for all."(source:The Ethiopian Tewahado Church, an Integrally African Church, Archbishop Yesehaq, pg).  Ras Tafari's orthodox church teaches we are a Holy Nation.  This is in distinction to religion.  We render what belongs to caesar to caesar, but these are just things.  We ourselves are citizens of a Holy Nation, the Kingdom.  Ras Tafari law is a reflection of the Kingdom where the image of God is respected in all. 

Ras Tafari offered this culture to all africans through all nations when he visited them, and to all the people in the world through multi-national representational organizations.  No nation that violates this clear governing principle can expect peace in her borders or where she extends herself.

As King, Ras Tafari orthodoxy informs his culture on earth.

Thanks and Respect
Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: moses on January 04, 2008, 08:39:27 PM
Greetings!

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Moses, In the first sentence or your rasponse you implied that this bredrin was "stepping into the place so that people can tell him about Himself" like him have no Internal Authority, You scared of what I have to say isn't it though? Because an open minded seeker with little ego asking straight questions is right up my alley, but you did want it to be revealed that after all the disraspect and dishonor people show me on this site, they should all be studying under me, My mouth too white to know so much about rasta for most people.

I as a man had gone thru the first reply... It is sufficient to itself.

Saying: "like him have no authority" is like a personal intepretation of the scenario. The question if (and as the I takes it personal) I as a man is scared of something... Well, can say nothing about it, least it is the I who says it. I got no problem with you as a person. Just rem. if the I see that there is a problem, then ask or say something; and if it is appropriate and time is right, some one will do something... For common good.

If the I experience tension with the others, then I man can do nothing about it as well.

There are things which people can go arguing for time after time until they realise thats no way to go. But until that time. Otherwise one will always suffer the consequences of their own making.Turning towards the heart is gonna ease the pain. And will cleanse InI. Find any key within the I which will pave a way into Oneness and Harmony... It is possible, but one have to make a choice.

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Moses Idren I hope you overstand what I said more than this one seems to.

Idren said from one of the possibility (in implication) to the I 's concern for the prior post. It is valid as well. A point of intelligence is taking this into InI mind as well... That will broaden the overstanding certainly; illuminating the nature of InI ways. And this place, since one choose to co exist with one another. InI got to share some responsibility which comes with common overstanding and harmonising. And this calls for tolerence and self displine; even ur sense of righeousness is not necessarily to be other's scale for judgement. Someone have the right to perceive differently and InI gotta learn not to self impose InI standards unto others. Only the hearts can meet with the same language, if InI allows...

To Be or Not to Be is the case here... If things should continue to be taken personal or rather; the self will should have to let go. The way to make peace is to dissolve oneself, the finite self, and look foward towards the abounded... the infinite. From the head into the heart... Where InI will see the extension of each other and all life. This should be the choice. Move from personal context into impersonal reality... That is to Be. Embrace Love and Make peace.

Bless





Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 04, 2008, 09:02:55 PM
Bless,

I suppose that the possible implications of your post is that People are really Hens as well. The first thing you said to this Idren
Avoid stepping into a place and allow others to tell something about the I (u as a person).
As if he was allowing people to tell him something about himself and that he didn't already know, which I think he does, that only I can tell I about I. I thought the "possible implications" here was that you were worried the selfish way some people carry on around Rasta would be revealed and that you are treating him like you his daddy.
Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: moses on January 04, 2008, 09:33:47 PM
Oh certainly bedrin...

I as a man sight that words carries ambiguity and that most of the problems are due to the language itself. Therefore Iman can tolerate its possible misoverstanding... That being the case, InI should be alert when InI use dem words. If words can make peace, same words can make war. Words can cut like a knife for sure. But a real religious man is impervious of words... They are fashinable reality but not the truth of life itself. So what InI say should not be taken as infallible. Cant help it... But I can remind InI is not scrutinizing the lines themselves and give them a twist of choice(in intepretation of possible implication). But try to read 'between the lines'. The point of expression is to trigger the same center within the Iself to be felt and helped to function in the direction which restores harmony even in seemingly word contradictions. Discernment is the word... Discernment guided by the intuition of heart not pre conceived notions. Feeling anything worthy of love and light as it reverberate from the within.

So people by themselves are not the crucial concern. But the light they can share IS. Light which means anything which can enable one to move beyond a separate self. To help One realise the core essense of I an I or I in I. Not me, you and them... It all begin with this conscious choice to live up... Iman sighting the other I as part of I. Words shouldnt divide the essence InI live to feel and live up. Will have to go even against InI words if there is no Love beckoning. Love comes first, else without it; is a pursuit of vanity and vexation of the spirit.

Love is all, love is Jah, wisdom is light thus JAH IS.

Blessed Love

Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 04, 2008, 09:44:19 PM
Yes I, I not really worried about the words but the effect, in this case that maybe you was trying to push this Idren away from my instruction or portray Iyah as someone who tells people about them self, not that I blame you or anything, Just saying it was something you could look at.  Love, Love
Title: Re: Rasta culture or Religion?
Post by: ke on January 05, 2008, 08:15:02 PM
I can definitely relate to you F1, I am quite the activist so I have the Righteous part and then I get my faith in Jah because before I was a Rasta I was a Christian..

but I cant really say why some one else would be a Rasta because it comes from the heart so every one has a slightly different reason than the other for why they are Rasta.. seen?
bless up.
ke.