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Title: The Real JEWS
Post by: prophet777 on January 03, 2008, 03:44:13 AM
The real title to this thread is "The Real JEWS and those who think they are" or rather "those who call themselves Jews and are not." If so called "Judaism" is about enslaving people and denying it when facts speak for them selves then it is about enslavement and lies. Both of those are sins unto I FATHER. Real JEWS do not deal inna that.

Let this thread speak for itself.



prophet7
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 03, 2008, 03:55:43 AM
Certainly Does Laughat, Speaks real clearly how ANTI-SEMITISM is just under the surface of all you SO CALLED RASTA"S. You know the people who think their Rasta just cause their black, then when they learn the royal lineage in just a handful of people on the planet want to pout about how they're being enslaved as an excuse to kill. To only solution there small violent minds can come up with to the fact that "their not all that". Slander and little kid business, Thanks for the Laughs.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: prophet777 on January 03, 2008, 04:05:22 AM
Who told you that I am black ? I may have said "AFRICAN" or....Why bring color pon here ? What has that got to do with it ? All I see from your reap-lies is more and more confusion so I shall really end it right here de... Go ahead and argue with your self. It is sensless talking to the likes of you that refuse to accept the truth.



prophet7
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 03, 2008, 04:19:22 AM
You told me that. Are you denying that your black? Whatever your color its the same kind of attitude you bring when you try to downstroy the Jews and still think you got some Claim to the throne as people who think they "rasta" just cause their black.  That all some people on Rasta nicks can come up with is that they "finished talking" because for the most part your all OUT OF YOUR LEAGUE. I mean by a long shot, Really no competition is so typical. I come to Rasta nicks as a matter of Charity. Little did I know I was going to get schooled on the essence of idiocy by the masters. When it turn out at the heart of the matter alot of you are just a bunch of black supremacist anti-semites, trying to use Israel's g-d without giving Israel His share, When We was fine to share to begin with, But people want to just take it for themselves, I and I just cut them off all together. Dont bother responding by pretending you dont understand me, I actually dont expect it.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: prophet777 on January 03, 2008, 04:27:27 AM
What color is Selassie then ? "Jewish-white??"

Who KING ? Why is it that Selassie came "black" and not "Jewish-white" seeing that you believe that you and your people are the s**t !? Why is it that you follow a BLACK way of life, a BLACK tradition and still refuse to hear that it is a BLACK Istory ? You are more confused than the word confusion. You follow it and at the same time deny it...?

Like I said on the other thread you're just a waste of I time. You bring insults and expect people not to reply to them ? For I say that you are a devil is just stating a real fact. I never called you out on this thread or the other. If devil is your name then so be it. That is what you responded to and are still responding to so I indeed have the right to call you so seeing that you are the one that jumped to claim this title. Simple.

Show I where I said at the beginning of I threads that you are the devil !!!??? What I said is that devils/fools will reply to I threads in negative ways and that is what you did. You put that title on yourself and now you wanna blame I for calling you out ? LOL. Does not that show how confused you really are ?

prophet7
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 03, 2008, 05:01:30 AM
Selassie I was of mixed heritage. And Jews aren't white either. You are so anthropocentric its ridiculous, Seriously I cant believe I'm having this conversation.
Who King? Why THE JEWS KING OF COURSE, I suppose hmm.. let see.. THE BIBLE isn't something that get around the "prophets: in South Africa. And don't even start trying to use the Lemba to reinforce your lie, Migration from the mid east is PART of the Lembas story. Secondly I don't follow any 'black' way of life or trodition I follow a Jewish Hebrew trodition and way of life, and actually YOU PROBABLY DO TOO, to the extent that you Follow any "way of life" at all. I don't insult people I just don't trod on eggshells around peoples ego's, If I say anything thats not correct then ones can correct me, but you know what, they never do, probably because they cant even understand half of what I say, and not because of my grammar. Oh this sh*t is really too much "For I to say you devil is just a real fact" what real fact is that punk? What have I EVER DONE OR SAID that means I'm the F*cking devil, And any of you Rasta who reading this and are not defending me like you never do, and like I always do for you, I hope you really feel it on this one, Some of you even have an idea who I am and still let little fools like this treat me this way.  SHAME ON DAT.

One problem is that your not intellegent enough to even talk to me. I said in the begining you implied that I was the devil. Who do you think your talking to laughat, Rastafari is the MASTER OF VIBES you think your going to post up your big silly rant and think that I dont know I ELIJAH I is that front of your mind the whole time, Get Real Child!!!!
I can see through your games since yesterday.


Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on January 03, 2008, 11:28:20 AM
Well I would like to help sort out dis disInity of Rasta people...
Since when did RastaFarI stand for disInity?
I won't take sides as now I see Rasta shouldn't fight Rasta or take sides Rasta gainst Rasta other than the side of righteousness
RastaFarI always stand on the side of righteousness
Can't the I's accept that Yah two sides of the same coin?
Mek peace Breds if not for the sake of living the livity then for the sake of setting the example we want the youth to follow..which is the same thing really
Yah both make crucial points and have a right to express these tings
but why not fight down the real devil (ignorance, arrogance, separative creed-al racial hatred and disraspect) not each other?
The I I witness is not separate from Iself
I and I are RastafarI
the stone that the builder refuse is always gonna be the head cornerstone
I and I not separate from that
disraspect the problem more than anything
so living the livity should be the solution
I don't want to be around this dissing and cussing vibe so if yah want to fear and badmind everyone away yah doing a good job
Why do I have to be the one to say these things?
cos there are no elders , I mean the real wise elders to guide the yooth so get used to it, the I's are it, start delivering and stop fighting
The RastafarI I know is intelligent enuff to sort thru this mess and both of Yah are not separate from THAT
so yah shouldn't need a upstarty likkle wanna-be empress like I to rebuke yah....
Humble thyself, Thy fadda is listening and thy Mudda loves yah too.....

Posted on: January 03, 2008, 09:47:13 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tww5K9m1uGk&feature=related

Brudda Prophet, rastafarI Bredren and Sistren I know this will clear the air some, Muta; Him da man!
your sistah with love and raspect for All
Nyah I
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Peace_Loving on January 03, 2008, 11:43:48 AM
I agree, NyaInIJahLove.  It is hard to come in a try to learn when this happens between Ras'.  Bless Up everyone!!
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 04, 2008, 01:47:02 AM
Ever think that it hurts me most of all? But what am I supposed to do? Let people pretend like Israel is a fairy tale, talk down the JEWS constantly, tell me Im not what I am, and try to make me look like a fool, all at the expense of people who might read it and take it as Rastafari truth?
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on January 04, 2008, 02:35:54 AM
Look brudda, I know i've been guilty of not giving the I due raspect at times and I'm sorry
I have come to really see where the I is coming from and will stand beside yah all the way
we need our warriors to keep it real and ye are dat fe real!
I sight up FULL raspect for the Jewish people and will take the hardline approach, anyone trying to diss or chant down the Jewish people and their Faith are, in practise, undermining HIS Majesty and they should take a good hard look at demselves and what they SAY they reprasent
All this Afrocentrisism is all good and well but not at the expense of HIStory as both a believer in the Truth of the Ible and the Truth that He was reared with by Jesuits...
Like I brother Elijah say, STOP with the trowing the baby out with the bathwater and dat baby I speak of is the one known as the Nazarene of the Jewish people
Ital livity -lovely, but one can be an ital livitist without living the livity of a Rastaman, I am familiar with that coz I background is that
One can be Afrocentric without living the livity of a Rastaman too
Like I said dis the Jews and yah dis His Majesty
DIs Yeshua and yah dis His Majesty
thats I stance for what its worth
love and raspect
Sistah Nyah
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: prophet777 on January 06, 2008, 01:47:49 PM
@Nyah

Thanks for that link - nice one.

Here are some links fe check out too :

http://www.jewishaz.com/jewishnews/020705/army.shtml

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/righit.html

There are many more links like those above.
As for I mentioning Jews being envolved in the enslavement of I peoples...Well you do not have to check far to find that out. Just read the Jewish Encyclopedia. They mention that in there themselves.
I am just presenting you facts and anyone that denies that is denying the truth.

So for all I care "He lie Jah" can keep on lying and ranting for all him want. I will choose to ignore all his comments for their is no sense for I to "cast pearls to the swines."

I will however continue reasoning about this with those that overstand what reasoning is all about. That is why I made the other thread "Kids on the Forum" to expose his childish behavior but, I am sure many here are already familiar with that.....

prophet7
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 06, 2008, 03:03:28 PM
U made this thread to spread propaganda about Jews and defame them. So all of a sudden this is the time and place for you to teach people how there were a few Jews fighting for the Nazi's or that some Jews worked in the salve trade? Lie.  Blacks worked in the slave trade but your focusing on the Jews to spread Hate and ostracize them, and because all this "black" claim to the Ible depends on modern Jews being false. Your a coward no better than a Nazi. Nya posts up a Mutabaraka link to help "clear the air" so you post up some links about the bad sh*t Jews have done in history, Your so transparent Hate-monger.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Ras Adam on January 07, 2008, 10:55:09 PM
Ites Up
In this discussion Iman must stand up for I bredda, Elijah I, I People and Iself.
It is an old, old tradition amongst non-jews to fight - so well.. Were used to it..
Jews today is of many colors.
I know that some people -protestant Christians- fight us because of Martin Luther and Paul in the new testament - who condemn us because we did not and will not accept their Messiah.
We have been haunted by babylonians, haters of all types, nazis, (bad) muslims and (bad) christians almost as long as we have known each other...
I would like to say ONE thing to the christian Ras, the Ras who believe in Jesus from Nazareth as the son of JAH and the saviour of humanity:
JESUS WAS A JEW. JUST LIKE I and ELIJAH I. End of the story.
JAH choose the JEWS to be His people, JAH choose us to keep the 613 laws of the Torah, JAH choose us to set the example for the world. But we are not better humans, so don't be scared.

Can't the I see that the I are maybe a little wrong, when you agree with Adolf Hitler?
That we are not the jews of the Old Testament, but just some evil doers... Hitler was also a "christian" - and when I use """ I mean, not real christian...

I would think that so many years of history, and the Internet and so on would help the world realize that we are not evil, and that we are JAH people.

This is a very important reasoning, let it be a mature righteous reasoning, not stone throwing.
And forIver remember - JAH is the judge
ONENESS - SHEMA ISRAEL!
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: habashani on January 08, 2008, 12:56:59 AM
I agree that there has been far to much "real jew/fake jew" talk running as a thread of discussion within ones and ones reasoning for long. it goes into undignified banter and insult. I needn't remind any of the knowlegable posters here of the character quality displayed by H.I.M.QHS within open discussion with opposition. I see stong emotion which comes natural but I equally long for the day when reasoning intesity is brought not to blows but to heartfelt appeals and beseeching in fire-love

on the other hand I have been troubled by the willful ignorance and deflection from the subject of Jewish involvement in the slavetrade by many jewish ones. I am proponent of resourcefully repairing AFRIKA and her blakk people (reparations) It seems appropriate to the issue of reparations, if ones are so inclined, to mention it in this forum which aside from it's biblical proportions, is BLAKK in proportion

why would the man Ras Adam mention  "JAH choose the JEWS to be His people, JAH choose us to keep the 613 laws of the Torah, JAH choose us to set the example for the world. But we are not better humans, so don't be scared."

the general idea is that the Jew is supposed to administer the "example for the world" by living up.
the world may observe many fine examples of Jews who live up, on the other hand many diverse peoples live up EQUALLY within their varieties also, so, If jews alone were chosen to set these examples, it seems peculiar to me that they have not more or less done so beyond that of their human non-Jew counterparts, really.  it is moreover somewhat grotesque to me to see reasoning about "example" and not push hard against willful ignorance by those who should know all well,as having been victimized themselves, over the need for redress in the issues of their own involvement in the slave trade of Africans at home and abroad, who so clearly have been wronged by the multi-millions throughout many long centuries. What is the fear?

Do not jewish ones see that to ignore or deflect the facts shows the opposite "example"
Are these absolutions not seen by all to be hypocritical addendums by a people for whom which Germany has already addressed the truth of her historical crime by having at least paid a certain amount of monetary reparation to various Jewish families who were once wronged?

It becomes important to grasp the vivid effect that such a collective energy against systemized rascism would have on the global psyche; THAT is the only example I see worthy of mention in such a forum- from jews together with other nations.

Here is an important film
lets watch and discuss in the spirit of truth

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1966135525893447110&q=judaic+role+slave&total=6&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0



Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 08, 2008, 03:28:47 AM
Nice Post Habashani Well spoken and informative.

The two issue I will engage with you are this:

First-

Quote
If jews alone were chosen to set these examples, it seems peculiar to me that they have not more or less done so beyond that of their human non-Jew counterparts, really. 

In all humblestanding I would question this statement to the utmost. When looking at the relation of Jewish people to accomplishment factoring population, the numbers speak for themselves. Many distinguished people have been or are also hidden Jews, Jews who chose to hide their Jewishness to avoid oppression. Also recent neurological testing has demonstrated the Ashkenazim to be significantly more intelligent than any other ethnic group. Then factor in a constant worldwide downpression on top of all that.

Second is the implication that Jews seek to remove themselves from possible Jewish Involvement in the slave trade out of Guilty Conscience. That Jews would want such information kept as quiet as possible to avoid further oppression I am sure of. But from my overstanding as a Jew, Only the Whites and Blacks are to blame for slavery, Since Jews only participated in a secondary sense as a means of income. If you pay me to take your slave across an ocean, but slavery is a sin, thats between you and JAH since you decided to slave this person, I'm just running a ship, and this goes for who ever sold that person into slavery as well. A Jew transporting someones slave or building someone a ship does no wrong. Don't blame the middle men.


Posted on: January 08, 2008, 01:27:26 am
I'm getting ready to watch your video, but I got to wonder how much of it is really an attempt to focus on the Jews out of anti-semitism, I and I certainly an easier target for any black agressive revenge for slavery than the white man. lets see...
Posted on: January 08, 2008, 01:32:06 am
Just finished the video. It basically suggests that the whole slave trade was the Jews fault, its really a slippery slope from what he's saying to...Jews are responsible for all the problems in the world(ala Mel Gibson).

I'll make two points,

First is that there were no Jewish colonies, All colonies were the dominion of Christian Gentile crowns, so again this fact suggest to me that slavery is not the responsibility of Jews. Jews were in exile at that point, basically hustling and playing both sides, not running the show. I find the video exaggerates the authority Jews at that time had in terms of who's responsible for whats happening in the world. I question whether a Jew could really even own land under a Christian crown. Which begs the question, At what point does one relinquish their Judaism in terms of 'covert Jewish' involvement since it is suggested that converted Jews were huge players in the trade, and Whether it makes a difference in authenticity and ones existence as a Jew if one converts in fear of oppression or out of greed?

The second point which I think is highly exaggerated is that the curse of Ham is as responsible as the video portrays for slavery. I think what people stood to gain from slavery and one line from the bible in terms of responsiblity are really incomparable. Furthermore as the introduction reveals, to me at least, is that the curse of Ham in itself is more or less a gentile invention. Given authority by gentilized rabbi's in hellenistic vanity. I feel that an effort to portray Jews as hiding a huge consipiricy that would reveal them as being responsible for all the worlds ill's is a theme that runs through the movie. And that the question of "jewish" as opposed to all other types of involvement in the slave trade in its self has anti-semetic motivations. Put it on paper and the nations of Portugal, Spain, England, France, the US and all the Individual African Tribal merchants are rasponsible for slavery, Not the Jews.
Posted on: January 08, 2008, 03:08:25 am
Just a follow up. I find a lack of recognition in the reality's of self preservation involved in the disproportionate numbers of Jews in the abolitionist movement than the amount he claims were involved in the slave trade. In other words I'm sure that the Jews would have been at the front of abolitionist movements as they were for civil rights if their very life's had not depended on their silence, and even that is not really defensable.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on January 08, 2008, 03:49:09 AM
Just a little something.

from my overstanding as a Jew, Only the Whites and Blacks are to blame for slavery, Since Jews only participated in a secondary sense as a means of income. If you pay me to take your slave across an ocean, but slavery is a sin, thats between you and JAH since you decided to slave this person, I'm just running a ship, and this goes for who ever sold that person into slavery as well. A Jew transporting someones slave or building someone a ship does no wrong. Don't blame the middle men.

Without the middle man how could it be possible? they play their part and should accept their part of the responsibility.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 08, 2008, 04:07:21 AM
Who ever decides to own or sell people is responsible. Not the person who facilitates the transfer.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on January 08, 2008, 04:11:37 AM
Come on Elijah, please think a little.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 08, 2008, 04:20:19 AM
If its so obvious why don't you explain it for me?
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on January 08, 2008, 04:32:46 AM
What is there to say? Your lack of compassion for what's in the cargo speaks volumes.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: habashani on January 08, 2008, 04:33:53 AM
I LOST MY REPONSE TO YOU - SESSION TIMED OUT

THAT MAKES ME ANGRY

AND AS FOR YOUR LAST POST TO I

HOW LOATHSOME, DISAPPOINTING, AUDACIOUS, AND DISCUSSTINGLY FALSE
EVERYONE SHOULD READ YOU
YES
ALL READERS - PLEASE EXAMINE CLOSELY THE RESPONSE OF ELIJAH I AFTER I POSTED THE VIDEO LINK - DO WATCH THE VIDEO AND CHECK HIS RESPONSE

IGNORANCE LIKE THIS MUST BE DEALT WITH OR SHUNNED ENTIRELY
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 09, 2008, 04:31:32 PM
The phrase "say but not prove" comes to mind. Those some heavy words to throw without backing them up with ANY explanation. Seems like an admission of defeat on its own. I overs your rapsonse got erased, its happened to me, But really....Just tell me I "must be dealt with" call me "loathsome" and "disgustingly false", Tell people to ignore me and then bounce? What happened to the habashani from a few post ago, what is it that I said your so sure is "Ignorant"?
Posted on: January 09, 2008, 04:27:32 pm
I mean what is it? Because I don't just Iccept Iverything this one says at face value I'm disappointing? Seems the other way around to me. I cant ignore that people ALWAYS want to persecute the Jews and will say anything to do it.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: RHEDDA J on January 09, 2008, 05:43:02 PM
your original response was foolish and your last one was a gratuitous attempt to try to save face.

I would say that you did'nt EXAMINE the video, you just barely viewed it at "face" to not accept it at that "value".  there is no face value when it comes to a video such as this, It is a definitively scholarly work, very comprehensive and detailed and I certainly never told anyone to accept it at a glance.
You tried to twist the message and major points of it by scathing remarks meant to fool the casual observer, but that can't work

your failure is well apparent and pathetic

Again, let all readers just watch the video and cross examine the history then read your response to the video presentation,
it speaks for itself

If you are part of the example which we nations should learn from as ADAM alluded to
it is darkest and craziest example I've come across in a while - esp from a so-called rasta
I will copy it and display your words to as many as I can to point out the warped idiocy of them
CHILDREN READ IT GOOD - learn how NOT to be!
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 09, 2008, 10:26:49 PM
Right your going to go around telling people how I'm wrong but you cant give ONE EXAMPLE. I'm unconcerned with people who take counsel such as yours. When I say face value I meant the video. Its true, I didn't look further into documented evidence of Jews and Slavery, But I didn't see that in the video either. Just some name dropping and generalizations. Its like claiming something is so obvious that they don't need to give one example of concrete evidence. Its like if it so obvious what I said is ignorant give one example. Where is the evidence that Jews initiated, and overwhelmingly perpetrated slavery? Because that is the video's claim. I hear the video and like I said the curse of Ham is a gentile invention and People who convert from Judaism to enslave people AREN'T STILL JEWS.
Slavery happened under the authority of European nations. Colonies were Gentile dominion. Therefore THEY are responsible for whatever its citizens may have been engaging in. If your looking for some money or an apology or an acknowledgement of rasponsiblity, Don't come to "the Jews", Go to Israel, Go to England, Go to the US, Go to Portugal GOVERNMENT Its dem governements and dem systems that responsible, Not Jews. I and I Just a convenient scape goat. When they want to take it out of the hands of nations and put it on a religion, ethnic group, and sub-race of people, suprise suprise ..the jews...thats when holocausts happen. I mean what you want "white people" to say yeah we sorry? White people? What is "white people"? I'm not saying that a Jew has never made a mistake in all of history, Just that the desire to focus on them and not nations is bigoted in itself. If you can prove that Israel have direct rasponsiblity for slavery and think you deserve recompense then go for it. But its not Jews you after its the Nation of Israel, the Nation of Brazil, the US nation. Go get it by all means, I'll help you.
Posted on: January 09, 2008, 06:35:01 pm
Here's a few thoughts read at your own risk its sloppy.


Beyond that it gets pretty hairy. If your not going to go through the avenue of nations, you'll have to go to families I guess. One idea is go to nations and ask them to investigate their citizens who profited from slavery. But alot of that is undocumented. So you have for example the Rockefeller's, if you can demonstrate that this family was directly responsible for the enslavement of millions and millions more subsequent displacement and poverty then I suppose you could bring a monetary compensatory claim against them, But the statute of limitations is well expired for that so you'd have to work out a special deal, see this is why I think nations is the best bet. Jews have been kicked around for awhile and the consensus pretty much is that you got to dust yourself off and put your nose back on the grind stone, Babylon don't pay. But I never see black people do that. No leadership, No organization. Maybe its a mistake to even talk about "black people" as a unified people to begin with. .Things happen, but Iveryone equal, Iveryone can grow dem corn, and make babies or what? Blacks want other people to take care of them?  I know my people highly self motivated and we don't expect anything from anybody and don't have time to wonder whose rasponsible for the bad shit that happen to us, who to blame, we just move foward giving Ises. If someone enslaved us even the thought of asking for compensation might be beneath us, We don't need anything but our freedom, Self determination is the key and welfare is its enemy.  Racism does not equal slavery. I suppose you could say that Africa is not free, but maybe nowhere is free. In Economic warfare what does it mean to be free? Is only the absolute richest man free since everyone else is subject to the power of the dollar? Or for land to be free? Seems a little late for that. Selassie worked with nations. If blacks want to repatriate and free Africa they can do that with democracy, but blaming other people and expecting a handout just makes thing worse.




Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: fallen angel on January 10, 2008, 03:36:38 AM
Quote from: ELIJAH I link=topic=4845. msg66890#msg66890 date=1199411222
. . .   Let people pretend like Israel is a fairy tale, talk down the JEWS constantly, tell me Im not what I am, and try to make me look like a fool, all at the expense of people who might read it and take it as Rastafari truth?

Im an archaeologist.  I can say with certainty that the exodus never occurred.  Further, there is no documentation of a "Israel" layover in Kmt/Egypt.  The only exodus, which did actual happen is the expulsion of the Hyksos whom took with them many of the mysteries of Kmt to the Near East where they settled.  This is the unadulterated truth my friend.  You're entitled to your belief, but on the other hand factual information exist for the student of truth. 

Also, the Rases should wise-up and face the facts about the bible, its origins and how to properly use the text.  It is time to stop the foolishness and teach the succeeding generations the metaphysics of the d@#n thing. 
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Human on January 10, 2008, 03:50:12 AM
Clap, Clap, Clap...bravo.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 10, 2008, 03:47:32 PM
Im an archaeologist.  I can say with certainty that the exodus never occurred.  Further, there is no documentation of a "Israel" layover in Kmt/Egypt.  The only exodus, which did actual happen is the expulsion of the Hyksos whom took with them many of the mysteries of Kmt to the Near East where they settled.  This is the unadulterated truth my friend.  You're entitled to your belief, but on the other hand factual information exist for the student of truth. 

Also, the Rases should wise-up and face the facts about the bible, its origins and how to properly use the text.  It is time to stop the foolishness and teach the succeeding generations the metaphysics of the d@#n thing. 

That's preposterous. All you can say with certainty is that you have no evidence indicating such an exodus. "Factual information" and the "student of truth" rarely converse. I'm not sure which "foolishness" your referring to or why you believe that the unadulterated metaphysical truth of the bible is not taught but in general people want to claim some factual knowledge regarding the bible to discredit religious beliefs, defame people, and spread propaganda against the state of Israel. Foolishness indeed. You asking "Rases to wise up to the 'facts' of the bible" is hilarious.   
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: fallen angel on January 10, 2008, 04:46:24 PM
That's preposterous. All you can say with certainty is that you have no evidence indicating such an exodus. "Factual information" and the "student of truth" rarely converse. I'm not sure which "foolishness" your referring to or why you believe that the unadulterated metaphysical truth of the bible is not taught but in general people want to claim some factual knowledge regarding the bible to discredit religious beliefs, defame people, and spread propaganda against the state of Israel. Foolishness indeed. You asking "Rases to wise up to the 'facts' of the bible" is hilarious.   

Dude, Your comments are baseless. Provide evidence the [Biblical Israel] existed before the Council of Nicea. Moreover, that such a group of people were enslaved & built the so-called pyramids within the past 6 kyr bp (uncalibrated) using mud-straw composition is delusional at best. Teams of Geologists have dated the so-called pyramids > 15 kyr BP (calibrated) as well as carbon dated Heru-em-akhet to a much earlier period than 6 kyr bp. Furthermore, there is no archaeological facts i.e., pyramidal, coffin, tomb and base relief substantiating a people during Ramesu User maat Sentepen ra’s reign.  Let’s deal with scholarship … I caution you to cease spinning and distorting my text with loose accusations.  Resist running behind a veil of deceit then crying anti-this or anti-that, brother. Deal with the facts and scholarship.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 10, 2008, 05:03:48 PM
My names not Dude and your in no position to ask me for evidence. I'm not interested in proving anything to you. Claiming as matter of fact that there is zero literal veracity to much of the Bible is disingenuous. Like I said all that may be able to be claimed is that little historical data has so far been discovered. Details could have been lost in translation, much could be metaphor, one does not know for certain. Its in the insecurity of faithlessness that one needs to tell them self they "know" this or that based on "facts and "scholarship", Science cannot consider the unfathomable. Rastafari is a mystical trod, Based on the "knowing of the heart". Rases do not need to "look for facts of the bible" becasue Rases are the facts of the bible. Talking about calibration and the nicea coucil just makes me chuckle.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Nepsis on January 10, 2008, 05:16:30 PM
Selassie is the proof of the biblical Israel.  Israel is a flesh and blood line first and foremost.  For those of us who accept the tradition of our fathers (which is a line open to all humans through the new Eve), we do so for family reasons and faithfulness which was given to us and that we take on with responsibility.  If you prefer scholastics over family then whatever you had before, you now start from a position of blindness.  You say you have certainty that an event never occured because you have accepted blindness in the first place by virtue of your self-imposed scholarly limitation.  We are an unbroken line of people who carry our tradition forward.  We do not rely on the scholastic approach to Truth.  We are not against scholarly pursuit and research, we just don't see it as our foundation for knowledge.  Scholasticism was a germanic movement at the turn of the last millenium that tied to many western institutions such as the Holy Roman Empire, massive war, the western university system, western enlightenment, colonialism, fascism, modernism etc.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: fallen angel on January 10, 2008, 05:32:35 PM
My names not Dude and your in no position to ask me for evidence. I'm not interested in proving anything to you. Claiming as matter of fact that there is zero literal veracity to much of the Bible is disingenuous. Like I said all that may be able to be claimed is that little historical data has so far been discovered. Details could have been lost in translation, much could be metaphor, one does not know for certain. Its in the insecurity of faithlessness that one needs to tell them self they "know" this or that based on "facts and "scholarship", Science cannot consider the unfathomable. Rastafari is a mystical trod, Based on the "knowing of the heart". Rases do not need to "look for facts of the bible" becasue Rases are the facts of the bible. Talking about calibration and the nicea coucil just makes me chuckle.

If you refrain from facts, then you're rejecting real discourse. You're absolutely right, you need not prove anything, equally neither is it within your fortitude to disprove my claims  nor marginalize my assertions. 13, 666, 375
Posted on: January 10, 2008, 05:27:09 pm
Selassie is the proof of the biblical Israel.  Israel is a flesh and blood line first and foremost.  For those of us who accept the tradition of our fathers (which is a line open to all humans through the new Eve), we do so for family reasons and faithfulness which was given to us and that we take on with responsibility.  If you prefer scholastics over family then whatever you had before, you now start from a position of blindness.  You say you have certainty that an event never occured because you have accepted blindness in the first place by virtue of your self-imposed scholarly limitation.  We are an unbroken line of people who carry our tradition forward.  We do not rely on the scholastic approach to Truth.  We are not against scholarly pursuit and research, we just don't see it as our foundation for knowledge.  Scholasticism was a germanic movement at the turn of the last millenium that tied to many western institutions such as the Holy Roman Empire, massive war, the western university system, western enlightenment, colonialism, fascism, modernism etc.


Before InI can engage you, I require the following answered

1] which fathers
2] which line of "huemans"
3] when did the unbroken line commence
4] what tradition
5] who is we & what is "we" foundational knowledge

answer them and then we can build. You feel me?
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 10, 2008, 05:51:34 PM
If you refrain from facts, then you're rejecting real discourse. You're absolutely right, you need not prove anything, equally neither is it within your fortitude to disprove my claims  nor marginalize my assertions. 13, 666, 375
Posted on: January 10, 2008, 05:27:09 pm

I am rejecting no such thing.  Asserting to know with certainty the specifics of human live thousands of years ago is not something that needs external marginalization. You are not interested in building but downstroying, Because all parties here recognize that NO impasse will be reached in the context you portend as this discussion with certainty does not have the possibility of transcending speculation.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: fallen angel on January 10, 2008, 06:05:12 PM
I am rejecting no such thing.  Asserting to know with certainty the specifics of human live thousands of years ago is not something that needs external marginalization. You are not interested in building but downstroying, Because all parties here recognize that NO impasse will be reached in the context you portend as this discussion with certainty does not have the possibility of transcending speculation.

So you're rejecting my oral tradition that predate "man-kind." This is profound, don't deny it ... I'll sign-off and give you the last words, not before writing: I encompass the circumference of your diameter 13, 666, 375
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 10, 2008, 06:11:56 PM
I'm not rejecting "your oral tradition", I'm claiming preeminence to it. ;)
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Ras Adam on January 10, 2008, 08:33:22 PM
Well, "Fallen Angel"
Mankind is nothing and JAH is all - so whatever a big guy with a great education say, it doesn't mean it's right. Therefore the fact that you are an archaeologist has no authority for I&I when righteous faith in JAH the Almighty One has all authority.
We can all say this and that, but the truth will still last and be.
If Iman had a lab, where I investigated color science, and then thought that blue what red, and I said to the outer world "Blue is Red!" - it would not make it a truth.

I&I forefathers write down the scriptures with the inspiration of JAH Adonai I God. For some hundred years ago, non-believing people said that Sodom & Gomorrah was just two mythical cities, which had never existed besides in the scriptures. Many still does...
But then archaeologists find them, bun down to the ground - good example that the pagan ones was not ready for the truth, but when they search with an open heart, they find. And JAH know the truth and JAH is the truth forIver.

And one more thing - are you even a believer in JAH?
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: NegusNegustiality on January 10, 2008, 08:53:03 PM
Ises,
From the Rases around Ini, they are very intelligent.  I was taught not to discount any information but to ingest , then cross reference it against previously learned information.  Example, when I first trod Ras Nick's I used the anology of 2+2=4 refering to knowledge or knowing something.  I was later taught that 2+2=1, simply a higher principle but both are true, except that I just hadn't learned it yet.
  I just don't overstand why so many are hesitant to look into the history of the Ible and the various stories within.  These stories are not exclusive to the bible and the bible has plagerized many sources.  It doesn't change the meaning but sure puts it inna different light.

Rastafari
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 10, 2008, 09:33:51 PM
I don't think plagiarized is the word your looking for. Like 2+2= 4 and apparently 1, Because stories are similar doesn't mean they cant both be true. Its often assumed that the most antiquated is supreme. Yet the utterance of HIM Haile Selassie I in whom I place trust, defends Yeshua. Who the scriptures which HIM also defend teach is the greatest Christ and of the true lineage.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Rasdave21 on January 11, 2008, 01:09:11 AM
I dont overstand why the i's argue over such a ridiculous subject. Jews are made up to divert the I's from the real truth. All the original jews were simply the 18th dynasty of egypt and their pupils. Akhenaton lead them out of egypt and to what we now call israel. Akhenaton is the biblical "moses" and the ras must overstand that the correlation between the two is unmistakable. Yes, Yeshua was a Jew or so called Jew. He was of the same ancestry as Akhenaton and King David I. I say ancestry and I mean that by the genetic makeup of them. The bible IS an objective source of truth but there are many coverups in the Bibles that us Rastas and Jews read. I dont know many jews who read many scriptures outside the Torah or many Christians that read outside of the King james. We need to integrate every scripture and take truths from them all and reason together to find the real truth. This is our duty as active Rastas. For even Yeshua said that if you look hard enough for the truth you will find it. Bless up Rasta and Israel Love
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: fallen angel on January 11, 2008, 05:03:12 AM
Well, "Fallen Angel"

...

And one more thing - are you even a believer in JAH?

Does the I mean JAH, YAH or YHVH? Ah, yes I, many points of divergence- you see. 

To answer you simply, within the hierarchy of my Royal African tradition where my King is my God, then Yes. This declaration doesn’t absolve me of working-out my personal redemptive journey of self-illumination. You dig?

Blessed
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on January 11, 2008, 06:29:31 AM
I agree with cross-referencing scriptures and sacred stories and books from diverse cultures, however I take offence at the wild assertion that "the Jews are frauds", honestly some people read something and jump to the wildest CONclusions.
Although the Delta-Nile is an incredibly significant location that pre-dates Christianity, care should be taken in trying to make it the beginning of everything...their is much of historical value that we know little of yet, like the off-planet influences of a myriad of civilizations. the Hebrew people are from one such stock and have a unique relationship with the Father of the Multiverses, according to my sources.
I take the bible at face value, with the guidance of H.I.M. and look for evidence to prove HIM right, not wrong.
Higher Heights
Sistah Nyah I 
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: fallen angel on January 11, 2008, 03:31:51 PM
I agree with cross-referencing scriptures and sacred stories and books from diverse cultures, however I take offence at the wild assertion that "the Jews are frauds", honestly some people read something and jump to the wildest CONclusions.
Although the Delta-Nile is an incredibly significant location that pre-dates Christianity, care should be taken in trying to make it the beginning of everything...their is much of historical value that we know little of yet, like the off-planet influences of a myriad of civilizations. the Hebrew people are from one such stock and have a unique relationship with the Father of the Multiverses, according to my sources.
I take the bible at face value, with the guidance of H.I.M. and look for evidence to prove HIM right, not wrong.
Higher Heights
Sistah Nyah I 

One text is not more sacred than the next. In the Nile Valley, there were countless text, which served different purposes.

Off the planet? Such as? Hebrew? Do you mean Haribu? ... The people who crossed-over into the Near East were of the Royal House of Dynastic Kmtians who wanted venerate the life giving force of Ra or the one G-d. Amen. These Haribu people were more special than those whom they left behind in the Nile Valley. Neither were the Nile Valley inhabitants more special than those whom they left in the High Lands of Abyssinia when they decided to follow the flow of the Hopi River and erect both Upper and Lower Abyssinia.

Blessed
Posted on: January 11, 2008, 01:06:29 pm
One text is not more sacred than the next. In the Nile Valley, there were countless text, which served different purposes.

Off the planet? Such as? Hebrew? Do you mean Haribu? ... The people who crossed-over into the Near East were of the Royal House of Dynastic Kmtians who wanted venerate the life giving force of Ra or the one G-d. Amen. These Haribu people were more special than those whom they left behind in the Nile Valley. Neither were the Nile Valley inhabitants more special than those whom they left in the High Lands of Abyssinia when they decided to follow the flow of the Hopi River and erect both Upper and Lower Abyssinia.

Blessed

An amendment:

These Haribu people were not more special than those whom they left behind in the Nile Valley.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Human on January 11, 2008, 03:54:26 PM
The shift from poly-theism to mono-theism had begun, very interesting times for sure.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: fallen angel on January 11, 2008, 04:16:11 PM
The shift from poly-theism to mono-theism had begun, very interesting times for sure.

My impressions are that Nile Valley inhabitants were, from the beginning, mono-theistic in the purest form. The many attributes of the one G-d were embodied in the various Neterus. One can argue the following: "if we all derived from one source, then each of us are parcels of that one." No? Your thoughts?

Blessed
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: RHEDDA J on January 11, 2008, 05:22:32 PM
I would like to call into question the ideas of ADAM towards his heritage people
and bring up a sort of round table disscussion to see if I am the only one who sees his suppositions as being biased and self gratifying.  Frankly, my purpose is to test spirits, to find willingness towards objective reasoning and to see if such spirits will further challenge the boundaries  of intellectual honesty, and finally and most importantly to seek out and expose LIARS

ADAM, you said:
“…JAH choose us to set the example for the world.  But we are not better humans, so don't be scared…. ”

I have already challenged this statement to which I did not see you try to rebut.  Is there not even a hint of this being an oxymoronic statement to you? Again I ask, relative to the entire recorded history of nations, does this not seem presumptuous and lacking empirical evidence to assert  as fact “an example” over and above that of other peoples; what about I and I black trodition of livity which you have gravitated towards in your life as I and many others have? This is the higher heights example which is not displayed by the Jews on any cultural level that I have seen.  Am I being clear about the comparison?

One thing that I observe in your reasoning style, ADAM, is that you use incredulous innuendos which passive aggressively draw attention.  Some will also, from time to time, use loaded language for various situations, but it is in what context that we use it that reveals our defence mechanism to be that of bold assertive striving for truth or covering of truth; I submit that the latter is your unconscious choice and I humbly ask you to check the evidence of this by your past statements – (the pattern becomes  more apparent to me after review of a early discource of yours was recorded and examined by ROOTSIE back in 2004, in which she first pointed this out.  The article is archived at
hxxp: www. rootsie. com/articles/2004/1906. html ).  I am not nitpicking here.  This goes to the heart of reasoning and critical analysis which is the purported basis for forums such as this one in the first place.

Also, I ask you to take a stand as you were willing to do to defend your ideas concerning your heritage, to use equal weight and measure when it comes to also being boldly critical of your brethren when they display ideas which are arguable and deserving of critical analysis, as in the case of this follow up comment posted by Elijah:

“…recent neurological testing has demonstrated the Ashkenazim to be significantly more intelligent than any other ethnic group….

… But from my overstanding as a Jew, Only the Whites and Blacks are to blame for slavery, Since Jews only participated in a secondary sense as a means of income.  If you pay me to take your slave across an ocean, but slavery is a sin, thats between you and JAH since you decided to slave this person, I'm just running a ship, and this goes for who ever sold that person into slavery as well.  A Jew transporting someones slave or building someone a ship does no wrong.  Don't blame the middle men. ”

Do YOU, ADAM agree with these assertions made by ELIJAH I ?
Personally speaking, since I became aware of Rastafari in 1981, I have never heard any Rastaman take such a presumptuous, arrogant and warped position.  Have you, ADAM???

By the way Adam and others, a casual look here at the following passage shows the disrespectful arrogance and deceit on behalf of Elijah I

START
“Posted on: January 08, 2008, 01:27:26 am

I'm getting ready to watch your video, but I got to wonder how much of it is really an attempt to focus on the Jews out of anti-semitism, I and I certainly an easier target for any black agressive revenge for slavery than the white man.  lets see. . .

Posted on: January 08, 2008, 01:32:06 am

Just finished the video.  It basically suggests that the whole slave trade was the Jews fault, its really a slippery slope from what he's saying to. . . Jews are responsible for all the problems in the world (ala Mel Gibson). ”


END


In one of my previous responses, I told readers to examine the statements made by ELIJAH I, to see for themselves whether they hold up under the level of integrity ones would identify as coming from a Rastaman.  It is intuitively obvious that in these particular statements made by him, have crushed an eligible reply in HONEST OBJECTIVE ANALYSIS of the material on the video, and more pathetically to the point of him contrarily making a dishonest reply – how do I know this? The video is about an hour in length – look at the time signatures of his replies.  They are 5 minutes apart.  Elijah I did not “Just finished the video”

ADAM, See what we're dealing with here?!?  I am interested to here your insites on this impotant matter

words of HIM Qdamawi Haile Selassie; " We must speak in bold terms of write and wrong"

May you be strengthened

Posted on: January 11, 2008, 05:18:45 pm
correcton: ". . . RIGHT and wrong"
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Human on January 11, 2008, 05:41:37 PM
"if we all derived from one source, then each of us are parcels of that one." No? Your thoughts?

I agree totally, I wonder why there was such opposition to Akhenaton and monotheism and the real purpose of his expulsion from Egypt along with his temples being destroyed or defaced as they were. Could it possibly be from the manner in which he went about his view on the one God or his bloodline ties or is there more to it, any thoughts?
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 11, 2008, 05:45:56 PM
ADAM I trust you'll check the time differences on my post to know who your dealing with.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: fallen angel on January 11, 2008, 06:00:15 PM
"if we all derived from one source, then each of us are parcels of that one." No? Your thoughts?

I agree totally, I wonder why there was such opposition to Akhenaton and monotheism and the real purpose of his expulsion from Egypt along with his temples being destroyed or defaced as they were. Could it possibly be from the manner in which he went about his view on the one God or his bloodline ties or is there more to it, any thoughts?

Well, there are several swirling theories that have credence, but InI reviewed the record of formation of Kmt predynastic and dynastic states searching for trends. Similar to succeeding civilizations, there seems to have been a struggle among temple ideologies and their respective priesthoods in relationship to treasury.  Wealth, or at least the control of it, seems to have been the driving force. For instance, during the early formation of Kmt state, regional groups rallied and supported specific emerging leaders who used this allegiance so secure resource i.e., land, Nebu (gold) and precious mining sites, which ultimately translated into wealth.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Ras Adam on January 11, 2008, 06:24:50 PM
Blessings Bredda Rhedda J
Wow, the I sound upset. Listen to I, please, just try to overstand Iman.
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Is there not even a hint of this being an oxymoronic statement to you?
No, it is not. Iman head clear and awake when Iman wrote it in here.
JAH choose one people, the jews, to give the world the true faith, the true way, the true belief, the true "religion"(I know some in here don't like that word because of babylonian religion..)
And it was the faith in JAH almighty I - Adonai I Elohim I.
And JAH choose the jew Moses, to the lead the jewish people out of Egypt, and JAH started the jewish king lineage from which Haile Selassie I come down from King David I.
But humans are not perfect - therefore the jews sinned, and was conquered by Nebudkanezar, the king of Babylon, who took the jews to live in exile.
He did not choose another family than Moses, Jacob & Isaacs family - the jews. JAH is not racist, but He choose one people, and yes, we are all one, but He choose in the family HUMANS - JEWS.
If one cannot deal with this - one cannot read the Tanakh (the old Testament) .       And if one cannot accept this - they cannot read the new - Jesus, Yahsua, or what anyone call him, the christian Messiah, he was a JEW. Only a JEW will the Messiah, because the Messiah will come down from the line of King David, which was a jew. JAH love all people equally, but He choose Israel to be His people.

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what about I and I black trodition of livity which you have gravitated towards in your life as I and many others have? This is the higher heights example which is not displayed by the Jews on any cultural level that I have seen.
The Rastaman Ital Livity Righteousness trod is blessed.
But the jews live up the righteous law of 613 laws that JAH gave Moses. I don't know many rastas who do that, but Iman give raspect and accept. And I don't know if you know any jews or the culture around Judaism, but jews are the Iriginal Keepers of Faith, The Iriginal Righteous Men/Women, the Iriginal JAH people, before others knew Him Adonai I JAH.

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I submit that the latter is your unconscious choice and I humbly ask you to check the evidence of this by your past statements – (the pattern becomes  more apparent to me after review of a early discource of yours was recorded and examined by ROOTSIE back in 2004, in which she first pointed this out.  The article is archived at
hxxp: www. rootsie. com/articles/2004/1906. html ).
LISTEN UP, RHEDDDA J - THIS WAS NOT I! SERIOUS THING. The I must overstand..
Iman start I trod in early 2006, so I was not in any position to write that in 2004... Seen? I have nothing to do with that.
And.. If Iman should be honest, I would say that it is I who hold the banner high, and reason humble and raspectful without calling anyone names and this and that - arrogant and so on.. Not I, I let JAH almighty do the judging, that is not for I.

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Do YOU, ADAM agree with these assertions made by ELIJAH I ?
Well... First I would like to give raspect to Elijah I - I know we have had some DIScussions, but we must hold the banner, that jews are not nazis, evil, "satan people" or any of these things...
 I would say that many people did the sin working with or accepting slave trade - but we must also look at the time. The time was different. Whites (jews and many others) didn't know better. They actually didn't believe that it was equal humans. It is a big sin, crime and it is crazy that anyone could do that, but we could say so with so many things in history. Just as I said before, jews are not better or higher persons, especially not when they are not observant. But I would like to say one thing more - jews was Iriginally blacks - so it is ironic, you are mad at us for slave trading us self - also when they was not observant jews.  But it is a big question. It is just so easy to judge - but not easy to really spiritually fight. We are the students, JAH the teacher, JAH are the judge, we are the ones being judged, not judging.

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ADAM, See what we're dealing with here?!?  I am interested to here your insites on this impotant matter
At many points in time, Iman have disagreed with Elijah I - but He is a serious rasta on a trod. We all try to best. I don't believe in Satan (as in the christian doctrine), and I do not sight anyone "EVIL" - we all have our place. Maybe Elijah I change stand, maybe the I - you - change stand, maybe Iman change stand. JAH choose our ways and place. Well, again, JAH choose Nebudkanezar to put the jews in exile - for I&I sight it was evil, but it was JAH will and therefore not evil.

I would appreciate if the really read what Iman write in this thread, and read it with thought and open heart, instead of stating Iman as arrogant, evil, dumb, not a real rasta or so on. We should all be careful with the judging, serious time. I hope that you find some truth in I word, I brother J.

ONENESS - ITES - SELAH - ISRAEL LIVE ON - JAH LIVE US UP - GIVE ISES
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: RHEDDA J on January 11, 2008, 07:57:56 PM
ADAM,
I would like to apologize about the mistaken Identity of the I
I was making the wrong assumption that the man was Ras Adam SImeon
My apology, my bad -

You speak of commandment keeping - ok
I see where you are coming from
however
There is the letter of law - that is different to I than EXAMPLE
and I am not confusing "Iriginal" righteousness or unrighteousness with contemporary righteousness or unrighteousness (which as told in the torah/tanak does NOT defend the overall righteousness of the nation of Israel at all points in time anyhow) in terms of the example of livity that we can all observe within CONTEMPORARY Humanity

also your answer to whether you agreed with Elijah's assertion was tharted in your response -
a yes or no would not alone suffice perhaps, but without including a yes or no, your response is ambiguous to I therefore, I say, you did not answer the question
I SAY :  the things you did say, notwithstanding the ambiguity, are clear about your thoughts

forward
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 11, 2008, 10:45:14 PM
What does the I even know about the Ixample set by Jews in contemporary Imanity, really? How many time I and I turn the other cheek, how many time I and I work harder, study longer, support Iself fe less, keep we culture, and hold the seal with Iverything stacked against We, with Iveryone out for we neck?  Nah but you don wan fe mention that do ya, Too busy trying to STEAL we legacy....
Posted on: January 11, 2008, 08:39:11 pm
You know now that you mention it, lets talk about Israel, where I and I have turn a dust bowl full of goat herders into a prosperous garden, with some of the best science labs, technology, and Iniversity in the world in 50 years with 700 million guns pointed at us.
Posted on: January 11, 2008, 09:10:46 pm
Hows that for a contemporary example? Sounds alot like what the Africans should be doing instead of wasting time trying to fight Jews and claim whats not theirs.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: NegusNegustiality on January 12, 2008, 02:28:52 AM
Ises,
 
The irony of the balance of life. 
"Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel? saith the LORD."  Amos 9:7

Hail the Iverliving
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 12, 2008, 09:06:38 PM
Irony: Use of words to express the opposite of the literal meaning, Incongruity between the actual and expected result of events.

I sight no irony. I sight concrete fulfillment. Its timely the I brings up why Israel is like onto JAH as the Ithiopians. *notice the distinction. All the more reason for there to be no quarrels between us. But ones want to judge on the color of skin. Think they know more than they do. No skin off Rastafari back.

Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Ras_Nevoe on January 12, 2008, 11:21:18 PM
"Oh what a tangled web we weave."

InI come with the fiyah!

soon come, but first mek them finish this tangled weave, so we can pick it apart.

Until then, know your history Non-White people, or else you will always be a victim to those who conspire to keep you in captive physically, but mostly, mentally.

KNOW WHO YOU ARE! NOT WHO THEY TELL YOU, YOU ARE.



- "We MADE EVERYTHING, but don't OWN ANYTHING"


Blessed Love to all the righteous Idrens and FIYAH pon di imposters!


Ras_Nevoe Da FIYAH MAN


::Signing In::

Posted on: January 12, 2008, 10:57:52 pm
InI forgot to add......

Nuff raspect to the I "Fallen Angel"!


JAH GUIDANCE!


Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: fallen angel on January 12, 2008, 11:51:49 PM
A brave soul who championed the truth.

Gary Greenberg
The Bible Myth: African Origins of the Jewish People
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Ras Adam on January 13, 2008, 12:24:03 AM
Ites Rhedda J
A real man say that "I apologize" when he is wrong!  :)
Not all that "NO APOLOGIZE"-talk. Just a compliment.

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you did not answer the question
Iman is of the basis belief that there is not many things in life that we as humans can answer yes or no to.
But if that is what the I want in a answer then I will do my best.
I don't agree totally with anyone in here. In I sight you point I people out to be sinners (JAH people - whites & blacks of Israel - JAH chosen)  and brother Elijah I say that the slave trade was not their "fault".
I say yes, Israel is sinners, all people are, ALSO Africans...
And then I say about the slave trade.. Well.. To say "JEWS was evil slave traders" is to generalize... In Africa there is still witch-burning - but therefore Iman don't say "Africans are crazy, they kill innocent women!". Seen. As I say again and again - jews are not perfect, they are just chosen, still human people.
 I would say yes, maybe some of I (big) people did slave trade at that time and that is not okay. But all people in the world has done evil or wrong things. And Iman have also another definition of what is wrong, especially for people believing in Israel & All's God Adonai Elohim JAH I the ONE, fx. not to try to follow the commandments, the law. Therefore observant jews as I self are many times "bigger" sinners than other jews or other people. Some jews has done wrong, yes, some jews might have done slave trade. So has Africans.       It is important for I  to state and make sure that no people is glorified more than another.
 So NO, I am not agreeing 100% with the I or Elijah I.

RASpect brothers - we might not agree in all ways but our destination is the same.
JAH blessings
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 13, 2008, 12:53:08 AM
WHAT A WONDER TO THE PEOPLE!!!!

That the trap they have laid has ensnared their own ankle- REJOICE ISRAEL!!!!

Vanity upon Vanity, To even think they would move the Most High who has sworn and Shall not repent, Judah is HIS CHOSEN, His remnant, Great shall he make their name above the nations.

Thinking they could quiver Judah with their never ending foundationless FRONT of cheap scholarship and slander. Theives and Liars all who would pretend to the Lords inheritence.  Trying to bring shame to G-ds people for lust and malice. Forever Fallen and Forsaken are the Ungodly.

Ignore and Stay in Ignorance!!! Hear and be at peace with the only living G-d.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Ras_Nevoe on January 13, 2008, 02:10:34 AM
WHAT A WONDER TO THE PEOPLE!!!!

That the trap they have laid has ensnared their own ankle- REJOICE ISRAEL!!!!

Vanity upon Vanity, To even think they would move the Most High who has sworn and Shall not repent, Judah is HIS CHOSEN, His remnant, Great shall he make their name above the nations.

Thinking they could quiver Judah with their never ending foundationless FRONT of cheap scholarship and slander. Theives and Liars all who would pretend to the Lords inheritence.  Trying to bring shame to G-ds people for lust and malice. Forever Fallen and Forsaken are the Ungodly.

Ignore and Stay in Ignorance!!! Hear and be at peace with the only living G-d.


BLAH! BLAH! BLah!

Face the facts and deal with the issue at hand! When you are dealing with the ignorant you have much to say, and they swallow it, but when confronnted with the truth, you shy away and start talking to yourself, watch the videos in the next thread Judaism vs. Zionism, and realize that you and others like you (Zionists) are the true enemy of the Jews.

I ask this question, but I don't expect an answer:  Why is it that 5 million pelestinians are displaced, why are they losing thousands of loved ones, why have they suffered for over  sixty years in their homeland. How did the so-called Jews (Zionists) gain israel after WW2............I don't expect you to give a truthful response, but I know you know the truth.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: fallen angel on January 13, 2008, 02:45:31 AM
Ah, now we're getting closer to the TRUTH people.


http://www.israel-mfa.gov.il/MFA/Peace+Process/Guide+to+the+Peace+Process/The+Balfour+Declaration.htm
Posted on: January 13, 2008, 02:24:12 am
A brave soul who championed the truth.

Gary Greenberg
The Bible Myth: African Origins of the Jewish People

Just a mild follow-up to my entry.

I submitt the prototype side lock of Shemsu Heru (see link below). The followers of "Horus" were metallurgist from central and east Africa who were responsible for erecting the monuments with high sciences not chattel labor as many would have other believe. More evidence to follow.

We're getting ever so closer to the TRUTH.

http://tribes.tribe.net/shemsuheru/photos/08ff9dfe-e87d-4be3-9e49-462189c0a443
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 13, 2008, 03:03:14 AM
Why? Because HIS MAJESTY CONQUER. JUDAH CONQUER. OUR G-D came and Redeemed Us, Israel is our homeland, and this world will explode before that changes, so get used to it or suffer the consequences. Now some Jamaicans think they Remnant all of a sudden. AHA HA HA HA HA. Singers and Players Maybe. You face the facts sucker. ISRAEL IS REAL, Not some little bullshit fantasy in your mind smoking your rag weed Belize spliff.   The truth is this forum is full of violent idiots who fear intelligence and think being Rasta means just being "black" so they FRONT little games like they know something all the time. Little do they know there are CONSEQUNCES for leading people astray. You think 5% is something try .01%, The word Elite come from the name Eli, So welcome to my world New Low.
Yeah I'm sure your real concerned about the Palestinians New Low, Lie, You just hate Jews, and you know your whole claim is OUR CLAIM, You want to be JEWS, But your just West African slave decendants, So go back to Mali and help your people and leave mine alone.

HIM Haile Selassie! The conquering Lion of Judah, From the root of King Solomon and King David, Jesus Christ in his Kingly Character, A Jew, and the ruler of the world!!!

I see you got your Black Nationalist Propaganda legion coming out to support you, NAH That wont work Cause Rastafari Stands alone!!!!
You just some Jew Hating Frustrated little wannabe Kids, So soak in this time while you got it, Cause I wont waste much more on some 75 IQ kill the Jew mob, Just send in the air strike.
Posted on: January 13, 2008, 02:55:58 am
OH MY JAH, A picture of some Egyptian statue!!! THE TRUTH IS REVEALED. Duppy suckers!!!
Posted on: January 13, 2008, 02:57:49 am
Maybe you can convince some aryan fools or some black nationalist paranoid anti-semites that posting a copy of the Balfour declaration and a picture of an Egyptian statue is "evidence" that there some "big Jewish conspiracy" since I'm sure that's what your little lusty butt is implying, but real people do real things and they don't just believe some little washed up hood rats racist conspiracy theories. See where this attitude gets you, the longer you keep with it, the sooner it wont be at all.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Ras_Nevoe on January 13, 2008, 03:05:22 AM
LOL.....don't back down now, and resort to name calling, let's talk about this thing. You had so much to say before, you had many fooled, now i'm here and all you can do is curl up in your shell and throw mud on the truth out of desperation. Throw pathetic little insults as if it budges me, but what you won't do is confront the truth.

I challenge for the second time to answer the following questions:



I ask this question, but I don't expect an answer:  Why is it that 5 million pelestinians are displaced, why are they losing thousands of loved ones, why have they suffered for over  sixty years in their homeland. How did the so-called Jews (Zionists) gain israel after WW2............I don't expect you to give a truthful response, but I know you know the truth.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 13, 2008, 03:10:25 AM
And I'll for a second time answer.

Because HIS MAJESTY CONQUER. JUDAH CONQUER. OUR G-D came and Redeemed Us, Israel is our homeland,


The Truth? What truth have you presented? And bunch anti-semetic propaganda? Present some truth? And well talk about it, Start with the Coheniem gene.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Ras_Nevoe on January 13, 2008, 03:33:05 AM
And I'll for a second time answer.

Because HIS MAJESTY CONQUER. JUDAH CONQUER. OUR G-D came and Redeemed Us, Israel is our homeland,


The Truth? What truth have you presented? And bunch anti-semetic propaganda? Present some truth? And well talk about it, Start with the Coheniem gene.


So what you are saying is that it was GOD who came down, and displaced 5 million Palestinians, murdered thousands of their loved ones, and cause them to suffer over 60 years of brutality that continues even as we speak this very moment.

God is the one doing all this, not Israeli militants?

is this assessment correct?




Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 13, 2008, 04:23:34 AM
No, GOD enabled the Jews to survive the Holocaust, stay Jewish for 2000 years of Exile, and return to Israel. Peoples displacement was mostly voluntary and a result of them being "unable" to live in peace with the owners of the land. While their present suffering born of an insistence to violently terrorize Israeli's
Posted on: January 13, 2008, 03:39:57 am
Furthermore there was never really a "Palestinian people" till Israel came again, it just another anti Semitic tactic, This is was a few goat herder people in a un-nationalized wasteland surrounded by their Arab brethren,No mans land, really I mans land But when I and I got back to the spot, Jordan or wherever these people came from didnt want to help the squatters out, There is 15 countries they could go to surrounding Israel, But people just want to make an issue of it NOT because they genuinely care about Palestinians but because the HATE JEWS and Dont recognize Israel. Thats not our problem.
Posted on: January 13, 2008, 03:45:17 am
See you just revealing that it YOU who still have European Mind washing , cause you said "GOD Came down" like God some sky thing. But Judah KNOW g-d, Judah IS G-d, You think you gon quiver the King. One foot in the grave a foolish step.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Ras_Nevoe on January 13, 2008, 05:00:15 AM
What you are saying makes absolutely no sense! And shows how you bob and weave around the truth.......

It is a fact that before Zionism which is only approx. 100 years old, Jews lived in peace with Muslims under Muslim Authority, infact they still do today even in places like Iran (I know that blows your mind, do your own research people don't take my word for it).


It is also a fact that when the Zionists arrived on Palestinian land there were Jews already there who had lived peacefully with the Palestinians, for centuries, these Jews strongly opposed the establishment of the State of Israel. They knew that the pre-existing good relationship between Jews and Muslims in the Holy Land was bound to suffer as Zionism advanced.


Infact one Jew(non-zionist) wrote: "The so-called "State of Israel" stands rejected on religious grounds by the Torah. Its monstrous insensitivity to the laws of basic decency and fairness appall all men be they Jewish or not."


So you see the establishment of the State of Israel had nothing to do with God and is infact against God, the Torah, and Judaism which by the way is not a race of people, but a religion, any one can become a Jew.

I will end with some words from the Jews, because they are suffering as well, because the Zionist are provoking Anti-Semetic hatred between them and the muslim world in order to justify their murderous actions. They pretend to be defending the Jews when they are infact defending Zionism.

A real Jew had this to say:

Quote
"There is a vile lie, which stalks the Jewish people across the globe. It is a lie so heinous, so far from the truth, that it can only gain popularity due to the complicity of powerful forces in the "mainstream" media and educational establishment.

It is a lie which has brought many innocent people untold suffering and if unchecked has the potential to create extraordinary tragedy in the future.
It is the lie that declares that Judaism and Zionism are identical.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Judaism is the belief in revelation at Sinai. It is the belief that exile is a punishment for Jewish sins.

Zionism has for over a century denied Sinaitic revelation. It believes that Jewish exile can be ended by military aggression.

Zionism has spent the past century strategically dispossessing the Palestinian people. It has ignored their just claims and subjected them to persecution, torture and death.

Torah Jews the world over are shocked and pained at this short-lived dogma of irreligiosity and cruelty. Thousands of Torah scholars and saints have condemned this movement from its inception. They knew that the pre-existing good relationship between Jews and Muslims in the Holy Land was bound to suffer as Zionism advanced.

The so-called "State of Israel" stands rejected on religious grounds by the Torah. Its monstrous insensitivity to the laws of basic decency and fairness appall all men be they Jewish or not.

We of Neturei Karta have been in the forefront of the battle against Zionism for over a century.

Our presence here is to refute the base lie that the evil, which is Zionism, in some way represents the Jewish people.

The reverse is true.

We are saddened day in and day at the terrible toll of death emanating from the Holy Land. Not one of then would have occurred if Zionism had unleashed its evil energies upon the world.

As Jews we are called upon to live in peace and harmony with all men. We are exhorted to be law abiding and patriotic citizens in all lands.

We condemn the current Zionist atrocities in the Holy Land. We yearn for peace based upon mutual respect. We are convinced that this proposed mutual respect is doomed to fail as long as the Israeli state exists. We welcome its abolition in a peaceful manner.

May we be worthy of true redemption when all men will join in brotherhood in His worship.








Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 13, 2008, 03:47:05 PM
See I would suggest that at that time it was the 'Palestinians' who were living peacefully with the Jews even if that WERE the case which its not. You say I make no sense because you are revealed with your "GOD came down" talk That all you know about G-d, your the "rasta" people who think its foolish to talk about G-d. All most of you probably only know about Rastafari is what someone else told you, and they were probably lying.
So what are you suggesting New Low, That Israel just disintegrate and Jews go scatter themselves around the globe again? You probably havent even thought about it, You too busy talking about the past, You know why? To ENCOURAGE the hatred of Jews. Your an active anti Semitic propagandist. I'll leave this brief, Rastafari Never made any declerations against the state of Israel, And he supported the UN of who Israel is a member, To me this signify's recognition of Israel. Zionism is a catch world that lo and behold CREATES FEAR, becasue Zion means heaven, There a line between heaven and a homeland for jews in palestine. The president of Iran who ones bigging up wants to "wipe israel off the map" and hes building nuclear weapons, What New low's suggestion?  Israel is good for the world, If only arab counties would help absorb there squatting brethren and leave Israel in peace, But the HATE FOR JEWS runs too deep for that. See its not a far leap for a conversation about the jews to progress like this bring up anything and instantly its, Israels a terrorist, the Houlocasut never happened, Jews are responsible for slavery, There not even Jews, Jews are devils, Blacks are the true Jews, Jews are conspiring this or that, Its just right on the surface of the whole thing. You know at the end of the day if you got a better solution then spit it, All your doing now is bigoted and a waste of time. The only reason you care is that Jews are what you claim you are. Jews are direct evidence that your a fraud in claiming Rastafari.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: fallen angel on January 13, 2008, 04:39:13 PM
Otay u lil’ babey, stowp qauin. MiscreanT
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on January 13, 2008, 04:47:20 PM
There is nothing wrong with real jews. Please don't hate, it does no good.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 13, 2008, 04:51:55 PM
NAH, too late for that, You little petty code language doesn't get by Judah, I'm going to show how all you wannabe Rasta jew haters tried to steal our legacy and brush us under the rug, With the overwhelming ASSUMPTION that Rasta is a "black thing" and nah even know the Nazerine. Your speculation about aliens and all this yadda yadda means you really something huh? But how many of you really know the King? Selassie I just a rallying point to try to justify racist attitudes that "black people" are a better species or some shit than other people for unu's, you don't know who he REALLY is, you just want something for yourself in a selfish way. This is why JAH chose the Jews, If it was up to unu's it would get to your head and you'd destroy the world.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Ras_Nevoe on January 13, 2008, 06:29:08 PM
There is nothing wrong with real jews. Please don't hate, it does no good.

Seen, if you view the videos they even state: The problem is not Judaism, or the Jews. The problem is Zionism, and the Zionist. They Hijacked Judaism, they Hijacked Islam (Bin Laden is a CIA tactician(true terrorist), not a freedom fighter), and now they are trying to infiltrate the Rastafari movement, and indoctrinate I and I with this Zionist way of thinking. I live in Brooklyn and I have reasoned with Jews from all walks of life: From Hazidic Jews to Orthodox Jews. From the Hebrew Israelites to the god fearing Anti-Zionists of the Williamsburg section. From Russian Jews, to Jews from Jabuti Afrika, and the only ones THE ONLY ONES who I received any negativity or hostility from are those who support the State of Israel and the suffering of the Palestinian people, i.e. the Zionists.

Everybody is saying it, and the real Jews (those who actually follow the written and oral Torah Laws),  are saying it as well............you mean to tell me everyone is wrong? EXCEPT the ZIONISTS!

You make sense out of that world, cuz i cannot do it for you!


WAKE UP!
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 13, 2008, 07:12:29 PM
Your missing the point. First of all what is your soultion or are you just going to whine about How "Israel shouldn't" be there? Cause it IS.  ISRAEL IS A REAL COUNTRY FULL OF JEWISH PEOPLE. If that's a problem then suggest an alternative. I certainly dont agree with all Israels policy Ispecially towards the Palestinians but I RECOGNIZE its EXISTENCE and its continued RIGHT TO EXIST, Thats really all there is to say on the matter, You either recognize Israel as a country or your a terrorist. Because in this world, In the United Nations, In the panteon of Nations, Israel IS a country. Mostly the only people who don't recognize that are anti-semites and self hating Jews. Whats Zionism? Most people dont even know what Zion is, They dont know the Emperor, The Jews havent even accepted Christ, Dont judge them for their ignorance. But you want to keep pushing them around I promise you it will not end well. Speak to that, Or just keep trying to overlook it like the proud coward you are. There is NO excuse for propaganda, Even if theres truth behind it, It cant be presented in a prejudice manner.
Posted on: January 13, 2008, 06:59:18 pm
See you speak in coded assumption because you say "support the state of Israel and the suffering of Palestinians", but what about people who just support the RIGHT of the STATE of ISRAEL to exist- You meds on that- Do you want to destroy ISRAEL or are you going to come up with a solution? No one like Palestinians suffering but ISRAEL EXIST, That is whats called a REAL FACT. So lets get together and talk about how we can help instead of supporting the president of Iran, who just want to make Israel go away. How can this world move foward with Israel?
Posted on: January 13, 2008, 07:06:40 pm
Typical New Yorker caca, Needs to name drop everything in the 5 boroughs like he's some big diplomat.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on January 13, 2008, 07:21:39 PM
Why you want to talk down on the President of Iran? He didn't even get a chance to express himself in that clip.


Iranian President Ahmadinejad Meeting With Anti-Zionist Jews

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xA1DbBAcOQ&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xA1DbBAcOQ&feature=related)



The truth is out there, go see for yourselves. Know this world you live in or you will forever be a pawn
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Ras_Nevoe on January 13, 2008, 07:26:50 PM
Quote

Bob Marley:


So we know we can't take your slogans no more,
can't take your slogans no more,
can't take your slogans no more,
no more sweet talk from-a cuprit,
no more sweet talk from the pulpit.

No more sweet talk from-a culprit,
no more sweet talk from the hypocrites (oh, no hypocrites!),
no more sweet talk from-a culprit (wo-ah yeah),
no more sweet talk (no-no-no-no sweet talk) from the hypocrites (hey!),
no more sweet talk from-a culprit,
no more sweet talk (no-no-no-no sweet talk) from the hypocrites (no-no-no-no hey!).

Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 13, 2008, 07:44:15 PM
Why you want to talk down on the President of Iran? He didn't even get a chance to express himself in that clip.

Because hes a Holocaust denier, and an enemy of Israel.


Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on January 13, 2008, 08:19:58 PM
What does the holocaust got to do with the state of Israel?
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 13, 2008, 08:25:13 PM
I suppose the fact that the Holocaust was on Jews and that Jews live in Israel. But the fact that your kind of insinuate something more or that I said something more reveals your paranoid anti Semitic tendencies.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on January 13, 2008, 08:38:51 PM
But the fact that your kind of insinuate something more or that I said something more reveals your paranoid anti Semitic tendencies.

The fact that I insinuate? You mean the fact that you think I insinuate.

You playing the blame game.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 13, 2008, 08:51:01 PM
When New Low asked me why I speak against the  Pres of Iran, I said because he Denies the Holocaust and is an enemy of Israel, Then you ask "What does Israel Have to do with the holocaust" Like I Said something like that. That's insinuation and trying to imply that is said that or that Israel is a direct consequence of the holocaust or that people try to make that argument. Again your just Dragging your gentile feet to be the most possible distraction you could possibly be out of a HATE FILLED heart. It brings me nothing but Joy to see that Jews have you so shook that this is how you act. You and your 200 million idiot crew.
Posted on: January 13, 2008, 08:48:00 pm
Your probably just playing dumb to be the most possible distraction, your a divide and conquer agent of babylon.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on January 13, 2008, 09:10:11 PM
Then you ask "What does Israel Have to do with the holocaust" Like I Said something like that.

I can only ask questions that you tell me?
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 13, 2008, 10:27:21 PM
You can carry on with your disingenuous silly lies, And expect people to believe that your question just happened in a vacuum but Your the slanderer and a Jew hater. And its clear for all to see.
Posted on: January 13, 2008, 09:22:04 pm
Maskar you said "*What* does the Holocaust have to do with Israel?" Not "Does the Holocaust have anything to do with Israel?", So as we see your question itself is an insinuation, magnified by your denial.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Ras Adam on January 13, 2008, 10:40:44 PM
Brethrens
One thing is for sure - we should not take any example to reason with, from a holocaust-denier.
To deny something that is for sure, is just as american-babylonian as silicone breast and vodka.

I would also like to point out that there is different kinds of Zionisms:
The political one - the way it happened. The reason that Palestinians suffer. Based on hate, war etc.
and the religious one - of which I&I is. For JAH and for us. Based on love, peace etc.
 If one does not sight the Land of Israel as holy, then he is not a serious believer in JAH and the holy scriptures. If we don't get back, and the Shiloh (yes, I'm one of the "ignorant" ones, who thinks you are "ignorant" because you believe in Jesus) will re-establish the temple in Zion I, Israel I - HalleluJAH.

I will state one thing for all I from all points of view - always be sure that the I's opinion is not for the I self, but for JAH and for betterment for all.  And blessings be upon the I's if you can hold this reasoning on a mature level.

ITES.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on January 13, 2008, 10:45:21 PM
Elijah, it was just a question. I'm not blaming you.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 13, 2008, 10:52:55 PM
So Adam are you calling His Majesty ignorant? But you sport the avatar, I mean whagwaan? How can you reconcile His Majesties Christianity with your stance?

Maskar as far as you go, Just watch your mouth. Just a bullshit question is what it was.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on January 13, 2008, 11:13:35 PM
Bless
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 13, 2008, 11:16:36 PM
Your not "blaming" me huh? What that all about? What would you be "blaming" me for? You just saying that cause you think because I wont let you talk trash means I have a dirty conscience. Your not blaming me LOL, Please like I would care if you were.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on January 13, 2008, 11:29:55 PM
Obviously you care enough to post here.  And me not talking trash is totally my choice which has nothing to do with you.

Bless
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 13, 2008, 11:59:35 PM
My posting here has nothing to do with you "blaming me" for anything. While Your insistence that you not talking trash has "nothing to do with me" reveals an immature conscience.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on January 14, 2008, 12:10:54 AM
My posting here has nothing to do with you "blaming me" for anything. While Your insistence that you not talking trash has "nothing to do with me" reveals an immature conscience.

So your opinion of a mature conscience is one that disrespect and talk trash? Good to have that out in the open.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 14, 2008, 12:19:24 AM
More slander from the dupe crew. My opinion of an immature conscience is someone who needs to assert the reason they doing something "is not because of what someone else said". Doubtful you'll understand that, and I'm sure you write up some more blah just to try and get the last word. Ask yourself if we were face to face how long this conversation would have gone on.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on January 14, 2008, 12:31:02 AM
Ask yourself if we were face to face how long this conversation would have gone on.

Ask yourself what would be the difference.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 14, 2008, 12:44:06 AM
I already knew that when I said it.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on January 14, 2008, 12:50:21 AM
I know you know.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: surfmon_I on January 14, 2008, 02:37:57 AM
I know you know he knows, you know?. cant wait for page 8. what is it that you are all reasoning here?.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Wahine on January 14, 2008, 04:03:13 AM
Yes Surfmon I. I can't recall what the original post was about now. But looking forward to the next page of name calling and bickering.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on January 14, 2008, 06:34:45 AM
I think anti-semetism exists here and I've been angry at the State of Israel in the past for the treatment of Palestinians and yet compassion dictates to I to try see it from a Jewish perspective...seriously of course Jewish people are going to be on the defensive considering the treatment they have recieved by jealous small-minded people the world over who can't cope with the reality that Jews ARE the Chosen ones and do generally have more go-getting and IQ than the rest of us....plus the reality that Jah DID promise Israel to the Jewish people....His Majesty OBVIOUSLY supported the UN and the UN played a huge part in supporting the establishment of the Nation of Israel...I too am not condoning violent solutions or trying to say that Palestine is wrong in wanting to live there too, but we have to look at History realistically and honestly AND the Holy Scriptures if we want people to take us seriously as RastafarI people.....
Otherwise we are discrediting what would otherwise be a sound and VERY positive movement so before ye all go chanting down Elijah coz yah don't like his manner try seriously thinking about the things he Upholds and have a bit of Raspect for the legitimacy of the Jewish side of RastaFarI......
and I still CAN'T fathom how "so-called" "Ras" Adam can call himself a Rasta while chanting down the faith of His Majesty? someone EXPLAIN this inconsisancy for I coz its doing I head in??????
OneLove for ALL
and I have great faith inRastaFarI playing a huge role in implementing positive peaceful unifying solutions for really difficult dillemmas like the Israel/Palestine situation, and yet there are no easy answers and loads of moral dillemmas...Jah is obvously creating a challenging "growth-filled" opportunity for I and I but lets stop with the bullshitty anti-semetism and ideas of the Jews should now all give up and find somewhere else to live....that just won't do, and its not gonna happen.....
Blessings Sistah Nyah I
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Ras Adam on January 14, 2008, 03:46:15 PM
Ites Up & Blessings for I Imaly.
Quote
So Adam are you calling His Majesty ignorant?
Quote
and I still CAN'T fathom how "so-called" "Ras" Adam can call himself a Rasta while chanting down the faith of His Majesty?
Brother Elijah I & Sister Nyah
I think that Iman have tried before to explain I faith, because the I's always have problems with it. But I will try again to try to obtain overstanding amongst brothers.
Iman don't sight Haile Selassie I's spirituality, Coptic Orthodox Christianity (just as I don't think that many other socalled "rastas" are members of...) - I only his position as the 225. king after David and as a great leader against all badmind fascism & babylonism. So as long as it is JAH almighty - Selassie I praise in his churches, and he live after the bible as I & I & I then he is still a righteous king. Especially in the way Haile Selassie I was, freedom fighter, fighter for the people. And about the "Jesus" belief that Selassie I holded as well as many other milions of people around the world - I will say one thing. Even Solomon, the wisest human ever, ended up praising false idols, instead of JAH almighty. Thoghtprovoking.

Elijah I - the I ask if Iman call His Majesty Emperor Haile Selassie I "ignorant." And I answer is no. I only say that "Jesus"-belief is "ignorant" because you used "ignorant" as a word representing ME & MY PEOPLE, the Jews, Israel, JAH chosen. Just go call us all things, we have tried worse.. And you even against the anti-jews in here as I am.

Sister - why does the I call Iman """"""Ras""""""" (not)  when the I don't mean it? Then call I Adam. or Human, but that name is already taken.         Just because Iman sight I-self as a ras (as well as I sight all other believers in & of JAH who is trying their best on the path of righteousness & Ises unto Adonai I) I don't claim it from anybody.  I actually don't call I-self "rasta," because in people's brain it means young, careless hippies who listen to "No woman no cry" and smoke weed for fun and gets stupid, foolish & silly. I am a serious jew, who read up the scriptures, love I God Adonai I from the root of the heart and brain, goes to the synagogue, even though I am young in the country with the highest alcohol intake on the average. Call I jew. JAH soulJAH. JAH youth. Serious Nazirite.  - Does not changes I what the I call I.

One more thing, I would like to say that Iman actually observe it as a positive thing, that there is room for different sights, point, Iditation, directions and so on in here. And Iman represent the "IGNORANT" jews, or jews who sight Haile Selassie I as the Roots of David (not Shiloh) because that brings the largest & best reasoning & Iditation, and Iman actually think that sometimes Iman has given another side of cases, which can in any case be very healthy.

Blessings of Ivine Love - Idren & Sistren - no bad vibes amongst us.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Human on January 14, 2008, 03:49:20 PM
"generally have more go-getting and IQ than the rest of us"........This is obviously your own personal opinion correct?

If this is based on scientific inquiry in a professional manner then you have just opened many doors, I hope this is a personal opinion.

If you accept openly the so called tests done on this type of research then you should be willing to seriously consider the scientific inquiries in the field of archaeological conclusions and DNA tests of the vast majority of jewish peoples origins. Im keeping my opinions to myself on this subject "The real Jews", but when someone says something like this it would be best for all to know from them that it is either based on research or personal opinion, thats all.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 14, 2008, 05:38:26 PM
Ites Up & Blessings for I Imaly.Brother Elijah I & Sister Nyah
I think that Iman have tried before to explain I faith, because the I's always have problems with it. But I will try again to try to obtain overstanding amongst brothers.
Iman don't sight Haile Selassie I's spirituality, Coptic Orthodox Christianity (just as I don't think that many other socalled "rastas" are members of...) - I only his position as the 225. king after David and as a great leader against all badmind fascism & babylonism. So as long as it is JAH almighty - Selassie I praise in his churches, and he live after the bible as I & I & I then he is still a righteous king. Especially in the way Haile Selassie I was, freedom fighter, fighter for the people. And about the "Jesus" belief that Selassie I holded as well as many other milions of people around the world - I will say one thing. Even Solomon, the wisest human ever, ended up praising false idols, instead of JAH almighty. Thoghtprovoking.

Elijah I - the I ask if Iman call His Majesty Emperor Haile Selassie I "ignorant." And I answer is no. I only say that "Jesus"-belief is "ignorant" because you used "ignorant" as a word representing ME & MY PEOPLE, the Jews, Israel, JAH chosen. Just go call us all things, we have tried worse.. And you even against the anti-jews in here as I am.

Sister - why does the I call Iman """"""Ras""""""" (not)  when the I don't mean it? Then call I Adam. or Human, but that name is already taken.         Just because Iman sight I-self as a ras (as well as I sight all other believers in & of JAH who is trying their best on the path of righteousness & Ises unto Adonai I) I don't claim it from anybody.  I actually don't call I-self "rasta," because in people's brain it means young, careless hippies who listen to "No woman no cry" and smoke weed for fun and gets stupid, foolish & silly. I am a serious jew, who read up the scriptures, love I God Adonai I from the root of the heart and brain, goes to the synagogue, even though I am young in the country with the highest alcohol intake on the average. Call I jew. JAH soulJAH. JAH youth. Serious Nazirite.  - Does not changes I what the I call I.

One more thing, I would like to say that Iman actually observe it as a positive thing, that there is room for different sights, point, Iditation, directions and so on in here. And Iman represent the "IGNORANT" jews, or jews who sight Haile Selassie I as the Roots of David (not Shiloh) because that brings the largest & best reasoning & Iditation, and Iman actually think that sometimes Iman has given another side of cases, which can in any case be very healthy.

Blessings of Ivine Love - Idren & Sistren - no bad vibes amongst us.


Adam- I would like hear more about your concept of Shiloh, and why you feel it is that His Majesty Haile Selassie DOES NOT reprasent such instance.  Have you considered that the full ramifications of His Majesties coronation in 1930 have not been fully realized? Just as you hold ones who believe in the coming of a messiah at the passing of the last astrological age as ignorant, So I believe that those who DONT recognize such as ignorant. Don't get jumpy around the word ignorant.  Of course I am still a Jew, In an ancestral sense. But I am a messianic Jew. Though not your typical messianic Jew because I recognize Yeshuas second coming in Haile Selassie. Thats why I am Rastafari. Only Jews can be Rastafari.  But this is something you don't know yet, You think Rastafari is what all these people on the forum make it out to be. Have you ever studied the New Testament? You do realeyes that Yeshua in the sense of literal man 2000 years ago is the G-d of the Jews not Gentiles but they can be grafted, and came specifically to redeem Jews?
I feel that there will be a big confusion in Israel and some people will accept Yeshua and some won't. The ONLY reason I did is because of Rastafari, and if you claim to love the King and be a tribesmen then you should obey his authority and trust his word. You wont be disappointed. But you may have to leave alot of people behind. You know I don't think you really understand how Selassie I believe in Jesus or JAH for that matter. You still looking at it from an unrealized stance, Like Him believe in Jesus but HIM WAS/IS/WILL BE JESUS. Since forever, try to overs that.


As far as You?Man? Yes there are Ientific neurological studies showing Jews are more intelligent that other people if that open doors so be it. The facts on the example they set for the world speaks for itself.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Human on January 14, 2008, 07:47:05 PM
Point us in the right direction to read these scientific studies in comparison to the rest of humanity, preferably studies not organized and financed by jewish institutions please. Also in what calibre are you talking about when you say intelligent? this can mean anything, there are many intelligent military people who create weapons to kill, own munitions factories to supply wars, control large banks to finance genocide and then there are many intelligent people who understand wars are un-necessary, people have a right to live in peace no matter there faith or bloodline or that old stories dont give others the right to control others. So I would like to know how you see the word intelligent. Please dont use bible literature or old Testament stories to answer because that is not sufficient for reasonable people, thanks.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Ras Adam on January 14, 2008, 08:57:31 PM
Yes I Elijah I
Overstand where the I coming from, but Iman still hold I own faith. (Yes, I am the one of them, who Paul hates)
The reason why Iman nah sight Jesus is this:
He should:
1. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
2. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
3. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
4. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).

And if he did not do all this, he did not fulfill the prophesies. And the Messiah is only human. Not God's son, we all are. The messiah should not have supernatural qualities (such as healing of dead, blind, walking on the water)
And the messiah should be born by a king in the line of King David as father - but the christian belief is that Jesus was born by Adonai I and Maria, therefore no jewish kingly blood on his fathers side, as the shiloh should have. (JAH is no earthly king, He is king of all, and created the Line of Kings from King David)
The Torah states that all mitzvot remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. (Deut. 13:1-4) Jesus many times in the new testament (of which I have read almost all of) states some of the mitzvot as not relevant or wrong.
The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods. And one more thing, in the scriptures, there is nothing about the death and ressurection and coming back of the Shiloh. That is only in the new testament.

Iman not here to mission anyone away from their christianity, but Iman just don't want to convert either. The I just ask if Iman read the new testament. And YES. I have done my research and I Iditation on the subject. A true jewish christian would overstand.

ITES - BLESSINGS
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 14, 2008, 10:44:16 PM
You?Man? i read about it online, I'm not sure what the tests were but I think they were neurological and maybe IQ. but you suggesting that they "must not be from Jewish institutions(as if a Non-Jewish institution existed at all! jk) is some petty slanderous shit.

I only have a minute but check this Adam, What if the process of the messiahs coming took 2000 years. So that it was Jesus when him come the first time but his plan wasn't complete till he come as Selassie. Once the temple is built ones will see its was Haile all along.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on January 15, 2008, 12:40:10 AM
Asking for evidence?
dang I just posted an explaination in a PM but I'll reiterate...
And before people separate themselves from the Jewish people, it is possible that ones, attracted to RastafarI and Spirituality actually carry Jewish blood, have a look at it from that angle and then see if you feel the same way.....
My Dad is fascinated with Russia and Eastern Europe so this info comes from him.....by the way, when I first introduced the idea of Jews being IQ rich(er), generally speaking, He refuted the Idea and still furnished I with this evidence...
we are talking Gorbachev reign here but there was a quota system in Russian Unis, whereby ethnic minorities where awarded a certain percentage of the scholarships and placements in the Unis...now Jewish people actually had to work much harder to obtain scholarships and placements as , in general their Scholastic scores where much higher than the rest, so personal marks would have to way way above the rest to receive scholarships and placements, still the number of Jewish students in Russian Unis outnumbered the rest...this way 30 yrs or so ago and we have no idea how things are now...but that is some cunclusive evidence I have at my fingertips right now.....
And Adam...thanks for the explanation and I offer full raspect to you and your people
Blessings and Onelove
Sistah Nyah I
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Human on January 15, 2008, 01:18:25 AM
Elijah i was not being slanderous in the least, i simply asked for the info and think it would be fair as not to come from jewish orginizations, the same i would not want to see info on the genome project of whites coming from white supremacist funded or aryan funded projects. I meant in no way any slander or anti-semetic form when i asked you. No need to read into it in that way bredrin. Thats fine if you read it online, but remember I have read alot of my things online as well, it doesn't mean im right though, true. Nya thanks for posting the info albeit it does not really prove your conclusion but none the less. There has also been lots of research that a vast majority, not all, but a vast majority of jews come from the cacaus region of russia and are of german descent and european descent and not from the middle east, again not all. Your story has weight most definitely and can be read about in major scientific journals. I still wont buy into the theory that one race is superior by blood, this is my thoughts. One Love to both of you.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 15, 2008, 02:27:13 AM
Heathen back dey pon the wall. Now the best he can come up with is comparing a "Jewish Organization" to a White supremacist Aryan nation group, That to me is just more slander. See he's just trying to introduce the Idea that Jews are Aryans- His motives are no mystery this You?Man?,   And Jews aren't a race either like he suggest. They are a sub-group of the Asiatic race.  And I didn't say that the only factor was blood either. Perhaps its also something about the Jewish religion that motivates people to work harder. I bet he never considered that. Yes much of the Jews blood comes from "whites" but NOT ALL like he said, the root carry deep, and like they say, it just takes a drop. Cheers
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Human on January 15, 2008, 03:18:53 AM
Nevermind, your paranoia runs deep. You completely read into things and come up with foolish ideas, how you get all that from what and how i said it is nuts. You are like talking to a broken record ( no...im not comparing Jews to broken records...ok).
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 15, 2008, 03:21:25 AM
it would be fair as not to come from jewish orginizations, the same i would not want to see info on the genome project of whites coming from white supremacist

One need not read too far into such derogatory idiocy as this.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on January 15, 2008, 04:04:27 AM
I didn't say it was altogether a blood thing either....maybe its a cultural study ethic...anyway I'm not suggesting we all feel insecure and start treating all jewish people like Higher gods than the rest of us.......both His Majesty and Yeshua are purported to have said such things as "Ye shall do greater things than I" and "I will be proceeded by the next generation " (was that the word proceeded?) so they were not placing themselves higher than the next person... anyway lets not get hung up on this thing...things seem to be souring here and its losing its appeal for me to be around " I have tried to be fair and report the truth as I see it...truth should not be threatening to the "spiritually sound" and error will be disproved given time and comittment to truth.. and of course, being human we all all open to error....people are appearing reationary and sound dialogue is being rended near impossibe..so I for one will take my leave and keep my peace...
Nuff raspect to one and all
Sistah Nyah I 
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Human on January 15, 2008, 01:10:44 PM
Nuff respect Nya, like i said as well i was not pushing anything only trying to find the information that was talked about, others look at it in a very different view.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Nepsis on January 18, 2008, 06:18:20 PM
Before InI can engage you, I require the following answered

1] which fathers
2] which line of "huemans"
3] when did the unbroken line commence
4] what tradition
5] who is we & what is "we" foundational knowledge

answer them and then we can build. You feel me?
Dear Fallen Angel,
In order to maintain respect, I wish to only speak forth the principle of organic living tradition and not advertise a single application of it.  In that Light I am expressing unity with others here such as Mr. Elijah I and Mr. Ras Adam and sister Nyah.  You can find more about me personally in other threads, such as the second part of this post (http://forums.rasta-man.co.uk/smf/index.php/topic,4514.msg63884.html#msg63884).

The commencement is from creation, and the fathers are the righteous who call on the Holy Name even under the sting of death.  The foundation of knowlege is the spirit given us by our common Father. 

I would like to build, but don't see if it's possible if I must limit dialogue to digging up the dead and telling sons and daughters of zion that their parents don't exist.  This to me is a path to genocide.  But Israel is manifest as light unto the world.  This requires careful discernment which must be approached with virtue.  Conscious people of the world proclaim the Holy Nation unto the Lord.  This cross all characteristics of our human nature.  We are one.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Ras_Nevoe on January 22, 2008, 01:29:28 PM
Dear Fallen Angel,
In order to maintain respect, I wish to only speak forth the principle of organic living tradition and not advertise a single application of it.  In that Light I am expressing unity with others here such as Mr. Elijah I and Mr. Ras Adam and sister Nyah.  You can find more about me personally in other threads, such as the second part of this post (http://forums.rasta-man.co.uk/smf/index.php/topic,4514.msg63884.html#msg63884).

The commencement is from creation, and the fathers are the righteous who call on the Holy Name even under the sting of death.  The foundation of knowlege is the spirit given us by our common Father. 

I would like to build, but don't see if it's possible if I must limit dialogue to digging up the dead and telling sons and daughters of zion that their parents don't exist.  This to me is a path to genocide.  But Israel is manifest as light unto the world.  This requires careful discernment which must be approached with virtue.  Conscious people of the world proclaim the Holy Nation unto the Lord.  This cross all characteristics of our human nature.  We are one.

Greetings Nepsis,

InI don't think you've answered the I's question, just answers the question str8 forward, all that dodging, and dancing around the question only causes unnecessary confusion.

P.S. stay on the side of truth, because that deceitful ship you are riding is bound to hit a truth-iceberg, seen. For now I will just observe and add my two cents.

Ras Nevoe
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 22, 2008, 06:59:18 PM
No, I and I do think Ras Nepsis has answered.  Your accusations that he is dodging and dancing just reveals your destructive intentions.  They have fallen into the pit they dug for the Jews. Let JAH arise now that the heathen are scattered. False accusations and childish slander from a frustrated know it all. Just my "two cents" as it were.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Human on January 22, 2008, 07:37:19 PM
2 cents is more than your opinions worth!
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Ras Wigga on January 22, 2008, 10:01:43 PM
No, I and I do think Ras Nepsis has answered.  Your accusations that he is dodging and dancing just reveals your destructive intentions.  They have fallen into the pit they dug for the Jews. Let JAH arise now that the heathen are scattered. False accusations and childish slander from a frustrated know it all. Just my "two cents" as it were.


Why is it that everytime you speak it's as if you are scolding yourself. I mean seriously, if you would just repeat these things in the mirror, you would learn to let go of YOUR frustrations, because if you notice you are the only one on this forum promoting negativity, while trying to pretend to be humble.

Tek It Easy!


Hotep!
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 22, 2008, 10:26:18 PM
What kind of name is "Wigga" anyway. Its ignorant itself. And it suits you well. I'm the "only one being negative" huh? Like saying someones opinion is worth less than two cents? No, I'm just telling you the truth and you hold your illusions so dear that you want to make it personal. Its a juvenille, un-intelligent way of being. But HEY I'm patient, You got to give me that, and I man nah come fe "take it easy" truss that.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Ras Wigga on January 23, 2008, 03:12:23 PM
What kind of name is "Wigga" anyway. Its ignorant itself. And it suits you well.

Don't worry about I man username, that have nuff meaning behind it, but that is irrelevant right now.


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I'm the "only one being negative" huh? Like saying someones opinion is worth less than two cents?

It's the truth! and I think the I was actually being polite. I would have just told you how ignorant and hypocritical everything you say really is

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No, I'm just telling you the truth and you hold your illusions so dear that you want to make it personal. Its a juvenille, un-intelligent way of being.

^^^Now repeat that in the mirror to yourself 100 times, maybe then you will accept the truth about yourself if it comes from your own mouth


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But HEY I'm patient, You got to give me that, and I man nah come fe "take it easy" truss that.


Stay hardened in ya ignorance, it no matter me, seen. "The harder they come..............."


HOTEP!
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 23, 2008, 03:41:56 PM
Worry about it? Yeah Ill be sure not to worry about it. What kind of meanings does it have though? Like "I'm a bitch for black people", or "I'm so hood even though I'm light skinned?" -Ras Wigga- You should get it tattooed maybe.  That'd be real "Ras" hey wait AND jewish of you!!!!
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Human on January 23, 2008, 03:47:15 PM
Projecting, projecting. Y
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Soldier of Jah on January 23, 2008, 03:48:29 PM
Where are you two going with this? Why not just drop it.. This whole thing is just going on with both insulting eachother and calling eachother things. We all have our oppinions and views on things so we all have to have raspect for the counter part. This forum has turned into a huge battlefield. And everyone is responsible. Dont comment on this post, im not gonna go into this thread arguing with any of you anyway. Bless.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 23, 2008, 04:01:19 PM
Right I'm projecting on this "rasta" who calls himself wigga which is a "white nigga" and is commonly used in a demeaning manner to signify white people who try to be black and is just totally the wrong vibes to mix up with Rasta, But it looks like he'll let himself be called whatever as long as hes "accepted" by the blacks, JAH forbid he stop hating on his own people, maybe even move to Israel, imagine that!!! No he'd rather be the "wigga", and join in the Jew bashing to feel accepted and try to hide his true self. Is this about right?
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Soldier of Jah on January 23, 2008, 04:04:40 PM
I wont involve with this so i wont tell my oppinion. But the least we can do is to raspect eachother. Even if we really dislike eachother, lets not call eachother nicknames and such, it will just make everything worse and worse. Bless.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 23, 2008, 04:07:29 PM
Like "Viking of Jah"?
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Soldier of Jah on January 23, 2008, 04:10:47 PM
Haha funny name. Yes I, a viking yuh stand infront off !
No i dont mean like "Viking of Jah". Just dont call eachother things and assume things about eachother because on this forum most doesnt even know eachother in real so why assume things. Bless.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 23, 2008, 04:12:28 PM
Babes and sucklings everytime.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Soldier of Jah on January 23, 2008, 04:17:37 PM
Nevermind, its impossible to make a blind man see.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 23, 2008, 04:20:10 PM
Babes and sucklings everytime.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Nepsis on January 23, 2008, 04:26:05 PM
Greetings Nepsis,

InI don't think you've answered the I's question, just answers the question str8 forward, all that dodging, and dancing around the question only causes unnecessary confusion.

P.S. stay on the side of truth, because that deceitful ship you are riding is bound to hit a truth-iceberg, seen. For now I will just observe and add my two cents.

Ras Nevoe
Greetings Ras Nevoe,
I am open to correction, however after searching my heart over this reply, I can't comprehend why you accuse me of deception.  Could you please clarify where I was deceitful and what I said or omitted that caused confusion?  Did you read my post in the context of my original entry into this thread?
Thanks and blessings
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: natty threads on January 24, 2008, 04:46:32 AM
The only exodus, which did actual happen is the expulsion of the Hyksos whom took with them many of the mysteries of Kmt to the Near East where they settled.   

My opinion is that that is typical Egyptian revisionist history. (Refering to the ancient Egyptians consistantly placing propaganda that they "won." I am not an archeologist, but I play one- not on TV. ;))

Instead of saying "We enslaved the Jews then God kicked our butts for it so we had to let them leave" they say "The evil Hyksos INVADED us, but we kicked their butts and drove them out."

Have you not seen the video of the coral encrusted chariots under the Red Sea?

From whence came they?

Don't curse my book, brother, and please don't let Babylonian archeology sway you from the truth.

Love.



 infact they still do today even in places like Iran (I know that blows your mind, do your own research people don't take my word for it).

What I have learned is that this is not actually the case- that right now Jews are leaving Iran, in secret, because the Iranian government will not let them leave openly.

Haven't you heard Ahkmedinijad saying there are no homosexuals in Iran?
He may be right- they kill them there.

Also, there are no unhappy Jews.
Why not?
Is a dead Jew and unhappy Jew?

If they live in peace it is the Roman peace.



Infact one Jew(non-zionist) wrote: "The so-called "State of Israel" stands rejected on religious grounds by the Torah. Its monstrous insensitivity to the laws of basic decency and fairness appall all men be they Jewish or not."


So you see the establishment of the State of Israel had nothing to do with God and is infact against God, the Torah, and Judaism which by the way is not a race of people, but a religion, any one can become a Jew.


Israel will be returned to the Jews when the Messiah returns.
They do not believe He has come even once.

Until God gives Israel back to the Jews they will not possess it.
There will always be fighting.

My heart bleeds for all who suffer there.

I don't pretend to see a way out of the nightmare.

I would think if God wanted the Jews to have the land He would give it to them, not let that monster of Babylon, the UN, in on making it happen.

ALL WE CAN DO is to love one another and pray for forgiveness and peace.

No?

I stand with the brothers and sisters who say that the One World Government is inevitable.

Please show me a way around it.



Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: fallen angel on January 24, 2008, 04:52:45 AM
Okay, you're right I'm wrong. You happy? and I'll give you the last word.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: natty threads on January 24, 2008, 07:18:52 AM
I don't know fallen angel. Are you happy?

Have you not seen the video of the coral encrusted chariots under the Red Sea?

I haven't seen the chariots- just the video.

How do I know it was really the Red Sea?
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Ras_Nevoe on January 24, 2008, 12:37:13 PM
Okay, you're right I'm wrong. You happy? and I'll give you the last word.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: fallen angel on January 24, 2008, 10:19:09 PM
I don't know fallen angel. Are you happy?

...

How do I know it was really the Red Sea?

Perhaps, elements of the documentary skillfully appealed to your sensibilities and so you feel is real. Your indelible rights.


However, there are times to feel and times to know.  I know the difference between things spiritual and the saturated, stifling energies of religion.  I don’t react on emotions, faith or hope particularly when the world before me is but an illusion for nothing that I see is real it’s all a reflection of my internal imprints.  Following this line of reason, I will not attempt to discredit your claims if you’re convinced by a hologram image that’s embedded your psyche.  It’s a reflection of your beliefs and convictions … an object of your existence.

So “feel” free to believe, but do not mix the screens. 

No offense intended.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on January 25, 2008, 06:35:07 AM
[quoteFollowing this line of reason, I will not attempt to discredit your claims if you’re convinced by a hologram image that’s embedded your psyche.  It’s a reflection of your beliefs and convictions … an object of your existence.
][/quote]
I hope the I applies this line upon yourself....then we might see the benefit of a REAL open mind....
I was brought up  unindoctrinated by Christianity as I mother who raised I was/is a hippy rebel who preferred eastern approach to western
and yet had a profound experience of Christ at age 25
so this theory does not ring true to I....

yes people have beliefs that colour their perception...in fact beliefs create our experience of reality
however there IS reality beyond belief, regardless of whether the I believes it or not
an open mind will get you there
a preconceived notion of how things are will not
 
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: fallen angel on January 25, 2008, 02:41:13 PM
I just got one ques. for you: what color is "Christ" and the "angels" in "heaven?"
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: RHEDDA J on January 25, 2008, 08:29:28 PM
THESE ARE QUOTES EARLIER IN THIS THREAD BY ELIJAH I in response to I

"...recent neurological testing has demonstrated the Ashkenazim to be significantly more intelligent than any other ethnic group...

but the EMPEROR says: "HUMAN BEINGS ARE PRECISELY THE SAME WHATEVER COLOR, RACE OR CREED OR NATIONAL ORIGIN THEY MAY BE".

yes, He said PRECISELY!
so... who's WRONG???  the neurologist or the EMPEROR?

and the following truely audacious presupposition

...from my overstanding as a Jew, Only the Whites and Blacks are to blame for slavery, Since Jews only participated in a secondary sense as a means of income. If you pay me to take your slave across an ocean, but slavery is a sin, thats between you and JAH since you decided to slave this person, I'm just running a ship, and this goes for who ever sold that person into slavery as well. A Jew transporting someones slave or building someone a ship does no wrong. Don't blame the middle men."


Posted on: January 08, 2008, 01:27:26 am
"I'm getting ready to watch your video, but I got to wonder how much of it is really an attempt to focus on the Jews out of anti-semitism, I and I certainly an easier target for any black agressive revenge for slavery than the white man. lets see..."
Posted on: January 08, 2008, 01:32:06 am
"Just finished the video. It basically suggests that the whole slave trade was the Jews fault, its really a slippery slope from what he's saying to...Jews are responsible for all the problems in the world(ala Mel Gibson)."




   
   01:32:06
 - 01:27:26
= 00:04:80

that's 4 minutes and 80 seconds (5 minutes:20sec)

yet this person said "just finished the video..." - the vid is about 50 minutes long

painful, boring, and worthless as it may be, can the posters on this thread redress the apparent dishonest, audacious statements/inconsistencies of this portion???

or am I just bashing here?

be honest
stand in truth, the integrety of the Emperor
(let's see what happens)

Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 25, 2008, 10:06:05 PM
Your just bashing in case that was unclear to anyone.

so... who's WRONG???  the neurologist or the EMPEROR?

Neither, Since just because neurological test show Jews to be smart doesn't mean that they aren't "the same" as other people, Just that they may have studied more.

As far as your confused accusations from before: Here is my full post. Check the times. 1:32 to 3:08 see its right there Let the Itegrity of the emperor be seen against a bunch paranoid black nationalist racist fools PRETENDING to be Rasta!!!!


Nice Post Habashani Well spoken and informative.

The two issue I will engage with you are this:

First-

In all humblestanding I would question this statement to the utmost. When looking at the relation of Jewish people to accomplishment factoring population, the numbers speak for themselves. Many distinguished people have been or are also hidden Jews, Jews who chose to hide their Jewishness to avoid oppression. Also recent neurological testing has demonstrated the Ashkenazim to be significantly more intelligent than any other ethnic group. Then factor in a constant worldwide downpression on top of all that.

Second is the implication that Jews seek to remove themselves from possible Jewish Involvement in the slave trade out of Guilty Conscience. That Jews would want such information kept as quiet as possible to avoid further oppression I am sure of. But from my overstanding as a Jew, Only the Whites and Blacks are to blame for slavery, Since Jews only participated in a secondary sense as a means of income. If you pay me to take your slave across an ocean, but slavery is a sin, thats between you and JAH since you decided to slave this person, I'm just running a ship, and this goes for who ever sold that person into slavery as well. A Jew transporting someones slave or building someone a ship does no wrong. Don't blame the middle men.


Posted on: January 08, 2008, 01:27:26 am
I'm getting ready to watch your video, but I got to wonder how much of it is really an attempt to focus on the Jews out of anti-semitism, I and I certainly an easier target for any black agressive revenge for slavery than the white man. lets see...
Posted on: January 08, 2008, 01:32:06 am

[/b]Just finished the video. It basically suggests that the whole slave trade was the Jews fault, its really a slippery slope from what he's saying to...Jews are responsible for all the problems in the world(ala Mel Gibson).

I'll make two points,

First is that there were no Jewish colonies, All colonies were the dominion of Christian Gentile crowns, so again this fact suggest to me that slavery is not the responsibility of Jews. Jews were in exile at that point, basically hustling and playing both sides, not running the show. I find the video exaggerates the authority Jews at that time had in terms of who's responsible for whats happening in the world. I question whether a Jew could really even own land under a Christian crown. Which begs the question, At what point does one relinquish their Judaism in terms of 'covert Jewish' involvement since it is suggested that converted Jews were huge players in the trade, and Whether it makes a difference in authenticity and ones existence as a Jew if one converts in fear of oppression or out of greed?

The second point which I think is highly exaggerated is that the curse of Ham is as responsible as the video portrays for slavery. I think what people stood to gain from slavery and one line from the bible in terms of responsiblity are really incomparable. Furthermore as the introduction reveals, to me at least, is that the curse of Ham in itself is more or less a gentile invention. Given authority by gentilized rabbi's in hellenistic vanity. I feel that an effort to portray Jews as hiding a huge consipiricy that would reveal them as being responsible for all the worlds ill's is a theme that runs through the movie. And that the question of "jewish" as opposed to all other types of involvement in the slave trade in its self has anti-semetic motivations. Put it on paper and the nations of Portugal, Spain, England, France, the US and all the Individual African Tribal merchants are rasponsible for slavery, Not the Jews.
Posted on: January 08, 2008, 03:08:25 am

[/b]Just a follow up. I find a lack of recognition in the reality's of self preservation involved in the disproportionate numbers of Jews in the abolitionist movement than the amount he claims were involved in the slave trade. In other words I'm sure that the Jews would have been at the front of abolitionist movements as they were for civil rights if their very life's had not depended on their silence, and even that is not really defensable.

Posted on: January 25, 2008, 08:43:57 pm
but the EMPEROR says: "HUMAN BEINGS ARE PRECISELY THE SAME WHATEVER COLOR, RACE OR CREED OR NATIONAL ORIGIN THEY MAY BE".

You know and seeing as the emperor said this its SOO hypocritical the way some so called "rasta" people carry on about white people or other "races", or this or that black superiority... Black people are from space....white people are Neanderthals....yadda yadda I know you've heard it. Who are these people? DEFINITELY NOT RASTAS. Melanin blah blah blah.....
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: prophet777 on January 25, 2008, 11:26:27 PM
 :D .
Funny to see how many reply to what is the truth and try, at the same time, to "twist" it. U (those that try) can never twist it !

As soon as some one speak out against the injustice that (so called Jews) Jews themselves even recorded in their own history then it is "anti-semitism"....LOL. Who are these that call themselves Jews and are not ?

Well let I tell u.... (if u nah have enough sense...figure it out yourself).

First..do these people come from that land that they were "FORCIBLY" given ? NO ! They do not. The "Arabs" were there before.

Do these so called Jews have a land, country or state where they originally come from ? No ! This land was given to them by ...who ?? Their own type.

Who are these so called Jews ?

They are not Arab, African, Chinese, Indian, etc., etc., or any race that really does exist. They have no origin. That is why they are in a land that does not belong to them. Fact.

This is what they use to try and fool the rest...by saying "we are Gods people". They do not even know who the real GOD is ! Look how they behave in Israel !

Now to I bredrens who belong to that race (you know yourselves) I do not mean u. You all know I...therefor you all know what I speak.

I speak just like I speak to so called "Americans" or whoever claim to be what they are not.

At least you all know your history and see it as it was and is. I give raspect to those type of people. People that know where they come from !

So for I to see dumb-folded, blind following, arrogant peoples here who try fe praise the so called Jews......LOL

Fact is....most of you do not even know your own history.The proof is in your misconceptions of reality.

PROPHET7
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 25, 2008, 11:47:04 PM
They are not Arab, African, Chinese, Indian, etc., etc., or any race that really does exist. They have no origin.

Do you mean that they are g-d? If they have no origin, where did they come from?
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: prophet777 on January 25, 2008, 11:52:32 PM
And then I see some fools pon here trying fe praise these so called Jews and at the same time blaming Africans for being envolved in slavery...What choice did those who did so have ??? It was either you accept it or die...Is that a §$&%&() choice !!!

You all like fe run your mouths about things you know nothing of...that is why I said "miss-conceptions" You have missed the conception behind that. What would you do if I had the power to say "enslave some of your own or your immediate family and you would be put to death ?"

You were never in that situation so be silent !!!

You all like fe run your mouths but when it really have to come down to it you all would be running to the rocks.....and they will melt too. You all try fe act like you are capable of being in such situations but, the truth is, you all can never exist when such falls upon you. We were forced to do what we had to do = no choice. Forced by who ?
Did you all not learn it from Red Indian Istory ? What is it that you dumb do not overstand ?

PROPHET7
Posted on: January 25, 2008, 11:50:05 pm
@He who lies about Jah

Forget it ! I see that you are posting but, I ain't reading your bull. You have nothing to say. So I would not even bother replying to nothing. You are on I "ignore list." So go ahead and argue with yourself. Even if I wanted to read your nothing all i can c is....nothing. LOL. SOL.

PROPHET7
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 26, 2008, 12:04:54 AM
Are you saying that all the Africans who sold people into slavery were told that if they didn't do it they would be killed? I don't think this is true for the most part. I think many Africans saw it as a way to make money, just like the Jews, and just like the Whites. But that is the past. Why are you still focused on the past? I think you just hate Jewish people and are inciting violence against them. Black people had slaves and black people actively sold others as slaves and not because they would have been killed otherwise. Your post before this one is a disgusting piece of anti Semitic rhetoric.  People should be ashamed that they use the Jews as a scapegoat for their own insufficiency's.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: prophet777 on January 26, 2008, 12:22:02 AM
Now let I go on...

Jews (the so-called Jews) have a portrait of I  as being "likkle black mambo" likkle black sambo."

They wrote books about it. They even made films about it ! Paramount pictures = Jews. The curriculum in American and mostly African schools wrote books about it...books we were forced to read in school that depicted us as clowns and buffoons = Jews. Books and movies that degraded us (years after slavery) = Jews - wanna be Jews. LOL.

And you all have the nerve to tell I that what I say is anti Semite ! You are not even a Semite !!!!! Semites are those people that u are not i.e., Arabs. You do not belong to that land. You are not Semites. You do not exist in such a way to be called such. That is fact. Israel does not belong to you. Never did. Fact.

For I you are all just like I Idren Michael J - wanna b but, u ain't.
The problem is - you all do not like the truth. Even when Iesus walked this earth he had the same thing to say about you. You did not like to hear it then and you still nah wanna hear it now but, I will say it again and again and let the whole world know who u really are....nothing but, wolves in sheep's clothing.

I can open books that you all wrote and prove it. Books like your Jewish Encyclopedia..for example.

You can never ever win against the TRUTH of the ONE and ONLY REAL and TRUE GOD. I and I do not worship no idols as you would expect I to do.

PROPHET7
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: fallen angel on January 26, 2008, 12:32:05 AM
Revelation 2:9 & Revelation 3:9

Nuff said
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: prophet777 on January 26, 2008, 12:53:09 AM
I do not worship no silver or gold chain crosses, no images, no books, no man/spirit/power other than I FATHER. Get that straight. Go ahead and fool the fools by fooling yourselves.

PROPHET7
Posted on: January 26, 2008, 12:36:16 am
@fallen angel

Seen. You know what I am talking about.

Prophet7
Posted on: January 26, 2008, 12:42:17 am
The only thing that this certain individual that loves to bring nothing but strife and arguments pon this forum can do is turn his name around and repent ! All he got to do is turn the words in him name and say "I Lie Jah" (e-l-i-j-a-h-i) and apologize for doing so - seen. Nuff said.

Prophet7
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 26, 2008, 12:54:47 AM
Jews (the so-called Jews) have a portrait of I  as being "likkle black mambo" likkle black sambo."
They wrote books about it. They even made films about it ! Paramount pictures = Jews. The curriculum in American and mostly African schools wrote books about it...books we were forced to read in school that depicted us as clowns and buffoons = Jews. Books and movies that degraded us (years after slavery) = Jews - wanna be Jews. LOL.

Your obviously angry. Just know that I as a Jew don't think any of that bullshit. I respect you as an African. But you must recognize the situation for what it is. All that your doing is promoting hate against Jews.  What is your point? That people calling themselves Jews did alot of bad shit in history? Whats the point of bringing that up? What solutions are you offering? What are you doing for the future? Or are you just going to rant angrily about the "so called" Jews? Cant you see that it was exactly this attitude that caused a genocide of Jews, that you'll probably try to deny? Selassie claimed to be descended from Jews, and many Jews today can prove to be from the same people, so why as a Rasta do you have such a problem with this part of the Istory?
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: prophet777 on January 26, 2008, 12:59:40 AM
I will repeat...

The only thing that this certain individual that loves to bring nothing but strife and arguments pon this forum can do is turn his name around and repent ! All he got to do is turn the words in him name and say "I Lie Jah" (e-l-i-j-a-h-i) and apologize for doing so - seen. Nuff said.

I do not think he did so in the post he sent before, knowing how ignorant and simple he is, but, since I can't read his posts - I really do not care. His name already says all I got to know about him.

PROPHET7
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 26, 2008, 01:03:34 AM
His name already says all I got to know about him.

That's wise.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: prophet777 on January 26, 2008, 01:13:15 AM
When will this %&/$ finally overstand that I can not even read his postings ? All I sight is him name "I Lie Jah" and nothing...Like I said earlier, it is cause him have..........to say. You can not sight anything when there is nothing but, emptiness fe sight and that is all I c i.e., nothing but the title him truly deserve.

Jah mek him give himself the right name.

Prophet7
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 26, 2008, 01:22:44 AM
As soon as some one speak out against the injustice that (so called Jews) Jews themselves even recorded in their own history then it is "anti-semitism".

"Speaking out" against "an injustice" implies that it is still happening. He's just bringing up the so called past to promote hate.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: RHEDDA J on January 26, 2008, 03:08:20 AM
OK

makes sense that I misread the time signature on the format of the replies, for only someone who DIDN'T WATCH THE VIDEO (which I guess you did, with cotton stuffed in your ears) or who didn't want to face the factual points made in the presentation  would come away saying that the video blames the jews entirely for slavery. It didn't say that at all. It DID say, among other things, (paraphrasing) that it is a mystery why every other group can identify their own complicity in the slave trade, but for some reason this Jewish group (generally speaking, in a few respected scholarly realms [and jewish scholarly realms being respected and being assumedly influential] ) has much trouble facing this reality.

"...just because neurological test show Jews to be smart doesn't mean that they aren't "the same" as other people, Just that they may have studied more."

you left out my Emperors emphatic word "PRECISELY"  ie. "precisely the same"

and that's a flip flop from:

"Also recent neurological testing has demonstrated the Ashkenazim to be significantly more intelligent than any other ethnic group."

an OBJECTIVE neurological test will not reveal "significantly more intelligence" from subject who just "studied more"

so again I submit, from the viewpoint of human history, it seems peculiar to me that they (THE JEWS, ASKANAZ & SEPHARDIC) have not more or less done so (been an example to the world) beyond that of their human non-Jew counterparts, There are other religions, inventors, creative beings, of noteworthyness in numerous other nations.really. and truely The point about intelligence is moot. That's all I'm saying (BTW habashani is RHEDDA J, apologies for the dual citizenship :))


but all of my obvious ranting aside -

I think you have been very defensive, sometimes sloppily, but, as a Jew, you do have a natural reason to be defensive. Just as Africans do, just as any who have been wrongfully persecuted.
Jews have been persecuted. period.

I would just ask for the sake of justice that you recheck a few historical and principled facts, namely
reparations are not a "handout". Reparations are not charity; it is not giving people anything; it is paying people back the wages that were withheld from their ancestors when they were forced to work for free. This is the money Black persons living now should have inherited, but couldn't. There's no essential difference from when a friend of mine loaned another man money, to be repaid in three months; yet, five years later he still couldn't get his money back. So he took this man to Small Claims Court, and the court ordered the man to pay him back immediately. In fact they froze his bank account until he did.

You would never say my friend was looking for a handout or that it lessened his dignity to demand he be given back what was rightfully his.

Also, if I may, your example of the Jewish "middleman" who just captained the ships of human cargo.

It's saying the ship captain need not have a conscience. Just stay in the business cause the $$$ advantage justifies it. - driving a ship, holding a whip, it's all part of the slavery experience. Need I discuss the conditions on those vessels?!? Who would captain a sailing torture chamber for $$$!? That, my friend, is someone WOEFULLY involved in the slave trade/slavery.

 It reminds me of the same basic logic that says "If it hadn't been for the African people themselves selling each other into slavery, there wouldn't have been any slavery, so why should they get reparations?"

Now, I usually find that the people who have no compunction about saying this would however think it extremely crass to bring up the fact that many Jews ended up in concentration camps because other Jews turned them in, and that while in the death camps, some Jews, in the effort to save themselves, collaborated with the Nazis, carrying out atrocities against other Jews. Yet, would anyone, even for a moment, think that these facts in some way lessen or excuse what the Germans did?   

No.

LET I & I STAND TOGETHER FOR TRUTH





Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: fallen angel on January 26, 2008, 03:37:48 AM
Yes Honorable Prophet.

All Majesty, word sound and Divine Power.

May the meditation the I’s heart of heart permeate Universally, Internationally.

Lead with your left leg, trample vermin adversaries and protect the I’s heart.


Blessed
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: rootsridge on January 26, 2008, 11:35:45 AM
unity
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 26, 2008, 02:41:38 PM
Blessed Sabbath,

Precisely is a very exact word, obviously the emperor meant we are precisely the same on the level of our souls. Human beings look different, have different cultures, different genders, languages, etc... As far as studying goes, I believe that the brain can be trained to react more quickly on a neurological level. Perhaps neurological was not the word I was looking for. Still I believe that the example set by the Jews in terms of holding to family and culture against the tide of a vicious world is an example that could benefit the world. I believe that the number of successful jews and the general level of accomplishment they achieve is proportionally significantly higher to other populations. Again this does not mean they are "better people". Finally I believe that what the Jews have accomplished with the state of Israel in terms of bridging the ancient with the modern, and the sheer brilliance of much of what goes on there in terms of science and other disciplines DOES distinguish the Jews in many many ways. Is my point about intelligence moot? I don't think so. Of course I'm not out to prove it to anyone. I just thought I'd mention some things to think about since you said you didn't see anything. On some level being chosen, and choosing are indistinguishable.
         I don't think that reparations to blacks for slavery are a handout per say, But I think that some black people see them as such, and promote them in that vein. I'd be interested in building sights on reparations but it seems like the conversation cant get off the ground from peoples resentments and past angers. Many times, Much in the way it has here, It just ends up with people blaming and hating on the Jews because we are an easy target. Black and white people, normal divided, with come together to hate Jews.
       I didn't say that middlemen weren't involved but that they didn't bear ultimate responsibility. And I don't think the situations of the Africans who sold others into slavery is comparable to the Jews in Germany. I don't think that those Africans were alot of times under pressure of death to deliver slaves. Either way brethren it doesn't excuse anything and I was never saying that. This is not an Us vs.Them thing to me.
                               Ilahful sabbath one and all.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on January 27, 2008, 04:33:05 AM
Really I see the judgemental, demonizing that has perpetuated upon this site as a direct result of the pain of genocide, of which the emotional wounding and scars are still very apparent...
was it 6 or 8 million Jews murdered just last century? and some still under fire today?
and I don't doubt that the number of black people murdered this and last century comes close or even supercedes that, and is happening this very day also....unfortunately Babylon has done such a good job of divide and conquer that black people are killing their own...due no doubt to the desperation brought on by the squeezing, strangulational and demoralizing  tactics of the Babylon rulers still holding the money/power strings today.....
The Moral, spiritual and upliftment offered by the TRUE Christian Faith, shown in the example of His Majesty, thru the teachments of Jah Word are incomparable, in offering guidance, solace and hope, out of this tragic shituation....
why would people, in the name of RastaFarI, seek to undermine this?
Romans 2;29
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Blessings and Raspect
Sistah Nyah I
Posted on: January 26, 2008, 11:30:43 pm
"On this question of "Election"
and those whom are chosen by a "Call"
there are points to make clear;
all who emerge from the Logos
either from "Jedgement of Evil Ones"
or "Divine Anger" which opposes them,
and then leads to the return to the Honoured Ones,
from worship and recollection of their Pre-Existent Self,
or great faith and hope in their eventual salvation
are beings who emerge from the good side,
since their reason for being
came from the One that truly exists."

The Cosmic Drama, The Essential Gnostic Gospels

Initual Love and ongoing Light of true Self
Sistah Nyah I
 
Posted on: January 27, 2008, 04:30:37 am
by mention of 'genocide' I mean attempted genocide
neva will evil rule
good overcomes without fail
your sistah, with love for all
Nyah I
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: surfmon_I on January 27, 2008, 11:49:32 AM
Greetings Idren,
Please forgive the intrusion into whatever multiple lines of thoughts this topic has generated for 11 pages, but I man would like to share a thought.
This topic has many facets and some interesting points have been made .
I am not one to say this is this and that is that,  for it has been revealed that there are many sides to any issue/topic and there is a reason to any view.
It is Interesting so much Dis~cussion has come about on the topic of Jews, but with the apparent friction of all these religions, it seems to be never ending.  I suppose in some way I may add to it by asking, When did the Israelites become Jews?.  If Jah said we are to become a new race of people, then how is it that the Jews of today are "the chosen people".  Israel was a people not a place. the land that was give them was lost by Josiah when he met the Egyptians in battle rather than let them pass Megideon on their way to battle Babylon,  and thus Jersalem fell.  That would make the promised land a state of mind which is to be received by those whose eyes, ears, nostrils and mouths were opened by the coming of Jah Rastafari.  A new race of people to forward this vision of togetherness from the Love of the Most I, which is available to All if they wish to see and feel it.
  It is in our every day lives and one thing is for sure, what has been achieved to this point is not helping Humanity.  The things we are required of the Most I are not beyond our scope of achievement, It has always been shown us, we HAVE the tools.
How are we to build, if we are not able to gather the materials and put them TOGETHER?
  It is not intention to offend, rather to pose these thoughts that light might be shed on something that has passed in the mind.  words can hurt and it is with caution I posed this view,so please do receive it with the Love and positivity Intended.

 
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: natty threads on January 28, 2008, 03:56:06 PM
God bless.

Are you saying surf_mon that we can avoid the Judgement?

Some people believe that this IS the Judgement- we ARE in the "end times" and have been for nearly two thousand years.

That this is the Tribulation.

Jesus said the Kingdom of Heaven is all around.

Are we really able to join in love and create peace?

WithOUT the NWO?

I am not looking for a debate.

I am looking for reasoned reason to hope.

Clearly regardless of hope we must work for love, peace, and brotherhood.

But we must not allow Babylon to impose a One World Roman Peace.

Do you have a plan?

Again, God bless.

Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: surfmon_I on January 28, 2008, 07:01:58 PM
I do feel we are near and end to what we have become.  Now we are to become closer to what we are Intended to be. One with Jah and In Jah.
None can escape the Judgement of Jah.
We should be the Best we can be, and in that we are acess the Light of another world.
Do I have a Plan?, lol, working on that.  But never before have I been so close as Now with all that share their Loving Knowledge and therefore Light.
Stay Blessed.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Ras_Nevoe on January 29, 2008, 05:16:42 PM
unfortunately Babylon has done such a good job of divide and conquer that black people are killing their own...due no doubt to the desperation brought on by the squeezing, strangulational and demoralizing  tactics of the Babylon rulers still holding the money/power strings today.....
Sistah Nyah I
Posted on: January 26, 2008, 11:30:43 pm


You mention Babylon using money and power as a control tactic, but that poses a question:


Who are these International Bankers who control all the money, and in turn OWNS most countries, by putting them in debt? Who are these people, and what religion do they CLAIM to represent. Please just give I man a simple and direct answer.


Ras Nevoe
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 29, 2008, 07:08:34 PM

You mention Babylon using money and power as a control tactic, but that poses a question:


Who are these International Bankers who control all the money, and in turn OWNS most countries, by putting them in debt? Who are these people, and what religion do they CLAIM to represent. Please just give I man a simple and direct answer.


Ras Nevoe

Beside inciting hatred and small minded prejudice I do not see any point in this post. This is not Rasta, coming from someone who IS NOT Rasta. It is violent and ignorant.  These people don't want you to learn what Rasta really is because they are Black Nationalist Supremacists who feed of the psychic energy of the assumption that Rasta is just a "black thing".
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Ras_Nevoe on January 31, 2008, 08:04:30 PM
Beside inciting hatred and small minded prejudice I do not see any point in this post. This is not Rasta, coming from someone who IS NOT Rasta. It is violent and ignorant.  These people don't want you to learn what Rasta really is because they are Black Nationalist Supremacists who feed of the psychic energy of the assumption that Rasta is just a "black thing".

You can't answer the question, that is not surprising! In the first place the question was not posed to you, it was posed to Nya, as I have nothing more to say to you because you are promoting Zionism. You call I man a Black Supremacist, when the word itself contradicts itself. I do however consider Iself a Pan-Africanist, and that is all that matters, not you or your small minded bigotry you spew on this site. As far as I not being Rasta, again it is I call not yours and I say that I man been Rasta since b4 I born, and again that is all that matters. Another assumption you made is that we Africans are nothing but singers. I beg to differ as we have built the civilization that the world enjoys today, but I must admit that we are very talented singers. The only problem with that is that the Zionist and White Supremacists don't expose the singers who tell the truth about the system, so I will give you a sample of real revolutionary lyrics.




Quote
[Talking]
The new age is upon us
And yet the past refuses to rest in its shallow grave
For those who hide behind the false image of the son of man
shall stand before God!!!  It has begun
The beginning of the end
Yeah..
Yeah... yeah, yeah

[Verse 1]
The voice of racism preaching the gospel is devilish
A fake church called the prophet Muhammad a terrorist
Forgetting God is not a religion, but a spiritual bond
And Jesus is the most quoted prophet in the Qu'ran
They bombed innocent people, tryin' to murder Saddam
When you gave him those chemical weapons to go to war with Iran
This is the information that they hold back from Peter Jennings
Cause Condoleeza Rice is just a new age Sally Hemmings
I break it down with critical language and spiritual anguish
The Judas I hang with, the guilt of betraying Christ
You murdered and stole his religion, and painting him white
Translated in psychologically tainted philosophy
Conservative political right wing, ideology
Glued together sloppily, the blasphemy of a nation
Got my back to the wall, cause I'm facin' assassination
Guantanamo Bay, federal incarceration
How could this be, the land of the free, home of the brave?
Indigenous holocaust, and the home of the slaves
Corporate America, dancin' offbeat to the rhythm
You really think this country, never sponsored terrorism?
Human rights violations, we continue the saga
El Savador and the contras in Nicaragua
And on top of that, you still wanna take me to prison
Just cause I won't trade humanity for patriotism

[Hook]
It's like MK-ULTRA, controlling your brain
Suggestive thinking, causing your perspective to change
They wanna rearrange the whole point of view of the ghetto
The fourth branch of the government, want us to settle
A bandana full of glittering, generality
Fighting for freedom and fighting terror, but what's reality?
Read about the history of the place that we live in
And stop letting corporate news tell lies to your children

[Verse 2]
Flow like the blood of Abraham through the Jews and the Arabs
Broken apart like a woman's heart, abused in a marriage
The brink of holy war, bottled up, like a miscarriage
Embedded correspondents don't tell the source of the tension
And they refuse to even mention, European intervention
Or the massacres in Jenin, the innocent screams
U.S. manufactured missles, and M-16's
Weapon contracts and corrupted American dreams
Media censorship, blocking out the video screens
A continent of oil kingdoms, bought for a bargain
Democracy is just a word, when the people are starvin'
The average citizen, made to be, blind to the reason
A desert full of genocide, where the bodies are freezin'
And the world doesn't believe that you fightin' for freedom
Cause you fucked the Middle East, and gave birth to a demon
It's open season with the CIA, bugging my crib
Trapped in a ghetto region like a Palestinian kid
Where nobody gives a fuck whether you die or you live
I'm tryin' to give the truth, and I know the price is my life
But when I'm gone they'll sing a song about Immortal Technique
Who beheaded the President, and the princes and sheiks
You don't give a fuck about us, I can see through your facade
Like a fallen angel standing in the presence of God
Bitch niggaz scared of the truth, when it looks at you hard

[Hook]
It's like MK-ULTRA, controlling your brain
Suggestive thinking, causing your perspective to change
They wanna rearrange the whole point of view in the ghetto
The fourth branch of the government, want us to settle
A bandana full of glittering, generality
Fighting for freedom and fighting terror, but what's reality?
Martial law is coming soon to the hood, to kill you
While you hanging your flag out your project window

[Talking]
Yeah..
The fourth branch of the government AKA the media
Seems to now have a retirement plan for ex-military officials
As if their opinion was at all unbiased
A machine shouldn't speak for men
So shut the fuck up you mindless drone!
And you know it's serious
When these same media outfits are spending millions of dollars on a PR campaign
To try to convince you they're fair and balanced
When they're some of the most ignorant, and racist people
Giving that type of mentality a safe haven
We act like we share in the spoils of war that they do
We die in wars, we don't get the contracts to make money off 'em afterwards!
We don't get weapons contracts, nigga!
We don't get cheap labor for our companies, nigga!
We are cheap labor, nigga!
Turn off the news and read, nigga!
Read... read... read...

^^^^ you won't hear that on MTV nor BET.............your welcome!



Ras Nevoe Nmimibi



P.S. Notice I speak the facts, while you just rant on with your ignorant opinions of people. GET A LIFE!
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 31, 2008, 08:21:10 PM
Ok Dread. If you want to try to ostracize me and make an issue of the fact that I, like His Majesty, recognize Israel as a sovereign nation you just reveal your own short comings as a Rasta and I feel no way.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Ras_Nevoe on January 31, 2008, 08:40:06 PM
LOL................ sorry this Diss-Cussion is over!


If the sistren Nya would like to answer I man question, feel free......


Ras Nevoe Nmimbi
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 31, 2008, 09:16:08 PM
sorry this Diss-Cussion is over!

Why are you sorry? This so called "discussion" aside, Racist attitudes which Rasta's are called to confront, Like ones that underhandedly insinuate that "all international bankers have the same religion" unfortunately persist.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Ras_Nevoe on January 31, 2008, 10:21:06 PM
RASTA NO TEK BAIT! ;)


@Everyone @ Ras Nick's

Wake Up!

These are serious times and yet no one is dealing with the issues. Ya know, instead you all just argue and fight down, but even when unu fight me down, I hit unu wit real life issues. I don't care for personal opinions on here, cuz that just leads to conflict lets just deal with the real life issues.

I know someone is going to respond and say that I am the problem, but if you think back when I left for a bout 4 months your problem was still here.

I man doing I man best to help the people become self-sufficient. This is productive, yet I see a fight against this, on this forum, by people who claim to care about the people.
So to anyone who want to judge I, I ask: What have you done for the people?

I man personally network with Bredrens and Sistrens from DIFFERENT: Religion, Race, Nationality, Ethnicity, etc. etc. etc. and Rasta get nuff raspect world wide, but when I come on here, I don't see the same Rasta I see out there in the struggle, instead it is like a "Rasta Twilight Zone". This is why I urge those who really want to make this trod to try to find a real life rasta or read some books written by Ital Rasta, If the I's have the resources visit the Bobo Hill in Jamaica and reason with the Bobo Dreads, I promise you it is an experience way closer to Love, Nature, Jah, Light and Fiyah, than you will ever experience! There is a book called, "RASTAFARI  From Outcasts to Culture Bearers" This is a very good book for those who wish to learn about The Rastafari Movement. There are alot of info on Leonard P. Howell in there and how he started the Pinnacle which was a Rastafari Commune. Also there is a pamphlet titled "The Real Facts About Ethiopia" by J.A. Rogers, this is very good if you want to learn about the European Expansion into Afrika and the Ethiopians(the only Afrikan nation not to be conquered) Resistance.

Let's deal with the issues!

Until then here are some more revolutionary lyrics...................................



 
Posted on: January 31, 2008, 10:15:56 pm

[Verse 1]
Yeah.... Harlem streets stay flooded in white powder
Like those ^&%$#@ (#^#$^ runnin' away from the twin towers
Gun shots rock the earth like a meteor shower
Bowling For Columbine, fair, giving the media power
Innocence devoured like a chicken spot snack box
Government cocain cooked into ghetto crack rock
Corrupt cops false testimony at your arraignment
Check to check, constant struggle to make the payments
Working your whole life wondering where the day went
The subway stays pakced like a multi-cultural slave ship
It's rush hour, 2:30 to 8, non stoppin'
And people coming home after corporate share croppin
And fuck flossin, mothers are trying to feed children
But gentrification is kicking them out of their building
A generation of babies born without health care
Families homeless, thrown the fuck off of the welfare

[Hook]
Homicide Harldem, BLAOW!, what's the problem?
Homicide Harldem, BLAOW!, what's the problem?
Homicide Harldem, BLAOW!, what's the problem?
Homicide Harldem, BLAOW!, what's the problem?

[Verse 2]
It's like Cambodia the killing fields uptown
We live in distress and hang the flag upside down
The sound of conservative politicians on television
People in the hood are blind so they tell us to listen
They vote for us to go to war instantly
But none of their kids serving the infantry
The odds are stacked against us like a casino
Think about it, most of the army is black and latino
And if you can't acknowledge the reality of my words
You just another stupid ^%$#&^ #@$%^& out on the curb
Trying to escape from the ghetto with your ignorant ways
But you can't read history at an illiterate stage
And you can't raise a family on minimum wage
Why the fuck you think most of us are locked in a cage
I give niggaz the truth, cause they pride is indigent
You better off rich and guilty than poor and innocent
But I'm sick of feeling impotent watching the world burn
In the era of apocalypse waiting my turn
I'm a Harlem nigga that's concerned with the future
And if your in my way it'd be an honor to shoot ya
Up root ya with the evil that grows in my people
Making them deceitful, cannibalistic and lethal
But I see through the mentality implanted in us
And I educate my fam about who we should trust

[Hook]
Homicide Harldem, BLAOW!, what's the problem?
Homicide Harldem, BLAOW!, what's the problem?
Homicide Harldem, BLAOW!, what's the problem?
Homicide Harldem, BLAOW!, what's the problem?
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 31, 2008, 10:27:08 PM
I know someone is going to respond and say that I am the problem, but if you think back when I left for a bout 4 months your problem was still here.

Yes. That's because "my problem" is much bigger than just "you".
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Ras_Nevoe on January 31, 2008, 10:33:57 PM
RASTA NO TEK BAIT! ;)


@Everyone @ Ras Nick's

Wake Up!

These are serious times and yet no one is dealing with the issues. Ya know, instead you all just argue and fight down, but even when unu fight me down, I hit unu wit real life issues. I don't care for personal opinions on here, cuz that just leads to conflict lets just deal with the real life issues.

I know someone is going to respond and say that I am the problem, but if you think back when I left for a bout 4 months your problem was still here.

I man doing I man best to help the people become self-sufficient. This is productive, yet I see a fight against this, on this forum, by people who claim to care about the people.
So to anyone who want to judge I, I ask: What have you done for the people?

I man personally network with Bredrens and Sistrens from DIFFERENT: Religion, Race, Nationality, Ethnicity, etc. etc. etc. and Rasta get nuff raspect world wide, but when I come on here, I don't see the same Rasta I see out there in the struggle, instead it is like a "Rasta Twilight Zone". This is why I urge those who really want to make this trod to try to find a real life rasta or read some books written by Ital Rasta, If the I's have the resources visit the Bobo Hill in Jamaica and reason with the Bobo Dreads, I promise you it is an experience way closer to Love, Nature, Jah, Light and Fiyah, than you will ever experience! There is a book called, "RASTAFARI  From Outcasts to Culture Bearers" This is a very good book for those who wish to learn about The Rastafari Movement. There are alot of info on Leonard P. Howell in there and how he started the Pinnacle which was a Rastafari Commune. Also there is a pamphlet titled "The Real Facts About Ethiopia" by J.A. Rogers, this is very good if you want to learn about the European Expansion into Afrika and the Ethiopians(the only Afrikan nation not to be conquered) Resistance.

Let's deal with the issues!

Until then here are some more revolutionary lyrics...................................



 
Posted on: January 31, 2008, 10:15:56 pm

[Verse 1]
Yeah.... Harlem streets stay flooded in white powder
Like those ^&%$#@ (#^#$^ runnin' away from the twin towers
Gun shots rock the earth like a meteor shower
Bowling For Columbine, fair, giving the media power
Innocence devoured like a chicken spot snack box
Government cocain cooked into ghetto crack rock
Corrupt cops false testimony at your arraignment
Check to check, constant struggle to make the payments
Working your whole life wondering where the day went
The subway stays pakced like a multi-cultural slave ship
It's rush hour, 2:30 to 8, non stoppin'
And people coming home after corporate share croppin
And fuck flossin, mothers are trying to feed children
But gentrification is kicking them out of their building
A generation of babies born without health care
Families homeless, thrown the fuck off of the welfare

[Hook]
Homicide Harldem, BLAOW!, what's the problem?
Homicide Harldem, BLAOW!, what's the problem?
Homicide Harldem, BLAOW!, what's the problem?
Homicide Harldem, BLAOW!, what's the problem?

[Verse 2]
It's like Cambodia the killing fields uptown
We live in distress and hang the flag upside down
The sound of conservative politicians on television
People in the hood are blind so they tell us to listen
They vote for us to go to war instantly
But none of their kids serving the infantry
The odds are stacked against us like a casino
Think about it, most of the army is black and latino
And if you can't acknowledge the reality of my words
You just another stupid ^%$#&^ #@$%^& out on the curb
Trying to escape from the ghetto with your ignorant ways
But you can't read history at an illiterate stage
And you can't raise a family on minimum wage
Why the fuck you think most of us are locked in a cage
I give niggaz the truth, cause they pride is indigent
You better off rich and guilty than poor and innocent
But I'm sick of feeling impotent watching the world burn
In the era of apocalypse waiting my turn
I'm a Harlem nigga that's concerned with the future
And if your in my way it'd be an honor to shoot ya
Up root ya with the evil that grows in my people
Making them deceitful, cannibalistic and lethal
But I see through the mentality implanted in us
And I educate my fam about who we should trust

[Hook]
Homicide Harldem, BLAOW!, what's the problem?
Homicide Harldem, BLAOW!, what's the problem?
Homicide Harldem, BLAOW!, what's the problem?
Homicide Harldem, BLAOW!, what's the problem?

Posted on: January 31, 2008, 10:29:22 pm





^^^^ you won't hear that on MTV nor BET.............your welcome!



Ras Nevoe Nmimibi



P.S. Notice I speak the facts, while you just rant on with your ignorant opinions of people. GET A LIFE!
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 31, 2008, 11:04:05 PM
Yes. That's because "my problem" is much bigger than just "you".
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on February 01, 2008, 11:10:23 PM
Bless Brudda Nevoe,
pardon I ignorance, I thought i did answer the question, in fact both of them.....
shall we go over it again for clarity's sake?
sorry to make the I repeat yahself but can you repeat the question, I am a bit confused
raspect
Sistah Nyah I
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: prophet777 on February 15, 2008, 09:31:22 PM
Seeen ! My "seen" is to those who have overstood it !

So many discussions pon this site but, most (not all) are against the truth !

I mean just look at the questions them ask ! LOL. Foolish.

I.E., "Is God Black, Was Iesus Black ?, Were the :::: Black ? Was HIM black ? Black this, black that - is what them ask.! "

Why not ask if they where white ?

Why !!? Because they were not !! His (Babylons) - story just repeat itself...some of them will never learn...some of them do not want to. Simple minds.

Original Jews are AFRICAN = BLACK. Everyone else is just a follower, copy, reflect, of what really is. Simple as that !

prphet7
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on February 15, 2008, 11:48:46 PM
I actually don't think its so simple. I think the original Jews were more Semitic or Afro-Asian than whats generally thought of as "black". Plus we're talking about a small tribe of people, not ALL the "black" people on the planet. It seems like people will do anything to keep from recognizing the modern Jews and their relation to the Incient Israelites because so many others want to claim the legacy for themselves but this is false. People have created a black nationalistic idea that Rastafari is a "black thing" and bring much anti-Semitism to avoid their lack of knowledge becoming exposed. Generally they are not able to control their tempers long enough for a full conversation to be had. Selassie I called distinctions based on the color of someones skin "petty" so that's pretty much my opinion of the topic on either end. Though "Black" and "White" may having meanings independent of ones skin which should be defined and Ideally renamed to avoid misuderstanding created by the false impression of racism.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Julian on February 17, 2008, 02:24:19 PM
Esau (spelling may not be right:P) and Isaac were brothers yes? Esau as the father of the Arabic race and Isaac the Hebrew. How could the Hebrews be all the black people if the Arabs are not black. Usually brothers look alike. We see this in Modern Israel. Don't be brain washed by the propaganda saying all black people are Israelites we must crush down the white Oppressor. Its all wrong.

Jah Bless
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: prophet777 on February 20, 2008, 10:03:26 PM
Well... first you got to be able to b in a position to ask such. Hehehe... I laugh when I read such non-sense.

Your own so-called "Arabian History", oh yes I STORY tells you that Muhammeds grandfather was so black that he was almost blue - does it not ? How blacker can you get than that. We still have some people in Africa that are so black that they indeed reflect that color !

So...now (even if his grandfather was not sooo black) he indeed have a color different to the rest (followers). Why else would your history books/writings mention it ? How then would he be like the now-a-day so called Arab ? Explain please....

You see... you have to know (its about time) that you are dealing with someone that knows  - not your history - but, I Istory as well. It is not you that created EGYPT and anything else that came out of it. The now - a - day so called Arabs were alien to this continent till they violently took over it...centuries after it was already built ! Fact ! Your beliefs and culture was created and developed by us, Africans. Fact. Look at the Sudanese/Nubian pyramids. You created them too !? Are u Nubian ? They are built the same way and have the same identical writings. You are behaving just like the same people that destroyed the Indian culture in Amerikkka.

Can't fool I man no more. Go ask your Iman (hope I spelled it right) 'bout that - he will tell you (if him wise enough).

prophet7


Posted on: February 20, 2008, 09:19:04 pm
Now let I get back to these so called "jews."

It seems you all (at least one of you pon here) can complain about what Hitler or whoever else has done unto them but, but, as soon as blacks talk about what you did to them it is racist/anti-Semitic.

And when we get to the point of the TRUTH then you start calling out "it is history" "it is past, why bring it up ?" LOL.
So you all can run your mouth (big mouths with nothing behind) about what is past but, as soon as we do the same then you call us names..then, then you put us in the boat that Hitler rocked..Hehehe. How foolish are you all ?

Who in the hell gives you the right to do such ? God ? Maybe the one you follow but I Father is greater and much older and much mature than any other.

That bible you hold (if you really do), those rules, that Istory, yes Istory belongs to I and no-one else. And yet you still find I here, accepting all peoples of all kinds and colors and even encouraging them to seek it (the TRUTH), by telling the truth.

You are all behaving the same way that you fakes did when Jesus walked this land. That is why HE said what HE had to i.e., the TRUTH - and we still see that none of you like it.

Well let I tell u something - we do not give a s**t ! Do what it take to make you feel happy. Go ahead and spread your lies all-though you yourselves know the truth. You still hold the same hypocritical mind that Iesus talked about and, unlike some other punks upon here I am not afraid to say it. I ain't an ass kisser ! You do not like the truth well then......you know.

prophet7
Posted on: February 20, 2008, 09:44:10 pm
For I it is really sad to see any one, especially I people (those that do so are even more lost than those who create such misery) that support such IGNORANCE ! You are even more lost than them. Coconuts.

prophet7
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on February 20, 2008, 11:52:56 PM
I'll raspond because I know how many people think this way. First of all that many of the people who helped start civilization and religions etc. had black skin says nothing per say about people who have black skin today because alot of those people interbred "themselves" into whiteness. I bet if, were it possible, you did a genetic study you'd find some "white" or "brown" people that were much more closely related to "imhotep" than any "black" people. So what are you going to say about that? You think Black skin gives you the right to start screaming about how everyone in the world follows you? You have been brainwashed to believe that your black skin means anything about your intelligence, your charchter, or the advancement of your ancestors.  Because it doesn't. People used black skin in part as a mean to discriminate against people and that's why you've become defensive and gotten this idea in your head(against his majesties wishes) that the world owes you something cause of your skin color.
Secondly your points about Hitler are almost too petty and disgusting to address. But I'll say this. I and I Jewish people hold no grudge against Germans. I and I hold no resentment or malice against any of the people that have oppressed us. Were Jews involved in slavery? Yes. Does the desire to focus on Jewish involvement in slavery have anti-semetic motivations? More often than not. Is it exaggerated for that reason? Yes. Would it be wise just to move on from this whole campaign against Jews and Israel? Most Definitely.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: paco on February 21, 2008, 06:24:36 AM
many moons ago there was a white man saying inna book he wrote that the people who built the pyramids in so-called central america were from outer-space and not the mayans. recently i read somewhere, can't remember, non-indian pyramid specialists saying that the mayans of today are not the mayans of yesteryear that built tha pyramids.

when i was a little kid in our school books, here intha states, the black and brown man were never mentioned ecept maybe that the black people were slaves. and that it was widely accepted by society cuz thas what was going on at that time. except there were millions of people who knew it was wrong-- they were called slaves. in these books when i was a kid they said stuff like george washington never told a lie.

all dem years growing up in the church with them pictures of jesus on the walls with blond hair and blue eyes it was never questioned and no body said anything where i lived. then someone in the states said black is beautiful and jesus was black too......... man the shit hit the fan then. then all of a sudden they started saying, son it don't matter what color he was.

i give all respect and credit to the blackman! all over the world people wanna/are Rastas now. marcus garvey, black (i know he not rasta) mr howell black and HIM black.

and what can i say about reggae music. i know it juss a small part of rasta. and i could never repay all the joy and upliftment that black music reggae has brought me.


                                       blessings all/ways

Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Human on February 21, 2008, 07:50:25 PM
Flavious Josephus said in his History of the Jews:

“These Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers; they are named by the Indians Calani.”

Megasthenes, sent to India by Seleucus Nicator, also said that the Jews were called “Kalani” and that they were an Indian tribe.

Clearchus of Soli said:

“The Jews descend from the philosophers of India. The philosophers are called in India Calanians and in Syria Jews. The name of their capital is very difficult to pronounce. It is called Jerusalem.”

If Abraham as the father of the Jewish race is therefore a legendary figure of India, then who is he? And did he exist at all?.

The obvious person for an Indian Abraham is Brahma (A-Brahma) who just happens to have a consort and sister named Saraisvati [1]­ which is amazingly similar to the name of the Biblical Abraham’s wife - Sarai. Indeed Abraham is said to have learned his trade in Ur (the ‘Ur of the Chaldees’ in the Bible ­ said to be in ancient Sumer), which is very close to the Persian border ­ being en-route to India.

It is also a fact that the name of Brahma spread throughout this entire area ­ so much so, that the Persians even adopted him as one of their deities. So, the very area where Abraham is said to have learned his priestly trade is the very area that the Indian Brahma was being spread and worshipped. What more can we find within this area of the Chaldees?

The Chaldeans were called Kaul-Deva, and they were a priestly caste living in among other places, Afghanistan, Kashmir and Pakistan. (Kaul-Deva meaning the Shining Calani, hence these were enlightened Shining Ones, a group going back to ancient Sumeria, The Shining Ones). Judah means Shining Ones as well, conquering Lion of the tribe of the Shining Ones is Selassie's original title and he knew this well.

So Abraham/Brahma learned his trade among the Chaldees, who were a priestly caste related to the Indian sub-continent and were the Shining priesthood or enlightened souls. In this respect then Abraham was simply a title given to the high priest or Lord of the sect of Brahma. But if, like in ancient Egypt, he needed to duplicate the life of the gods, then he too would have needed a wife/sister. The fact that Saraisvati was both Brahma’s consort and sister, also relates to the Biblical account of Abraham.

“But indeed she is truly my sister. She is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.” (Genesis 20:12.)

This same pattern of hidden Gnosis would later become part of the Mary/Jesus myth. The complex twists and turns that modern writers such as Dan Brown in the Da Vinci Code seem to have to create to explain the seemingly peculiar nature of Jesus’ relationship with Mary the Mother and Mary Magdalene are really quite remarkable. In fact it is simple.

Like Sarai is Saraisvati, she is also Isis, the greatest of Egyptian goddesses. Mary too is a duplicate of Isis. You see Isis was the consort of Osiris, hence the wife part. She was therefore the mother of Horus the Saviour - hence the mother of god. But Horus was Osiris reincarnated and so Isis was also his sister. Mary the Mother, Mary Magdalene the lover/consort and Mary of Bethany the sister are really and truly the hidden aspects of a much older Gnostic tradition that has no literal element at all! The three Mary’s are in reality three aspects of the one feminine principle - the feminine trinity.

For those who say Jesus is not Horus or modeled after Horus,, here is some food for thought for those that have an opened mind. You see, in Egyptian mythology it was the role of the son of God and saviour, Horus, to raise his father, Osiris, from the dead and in a sense resurrect himself, as Horus was Osiris resurrected.

However, Lazarus and Osiris are distinctly different names and so cannot be related. How wrong this is, although there is still much debate on the exact etymology, many believe that there is a proven link. How?

The ancient Egyptian designation for Osiris was Asar or Azar. Now, when the Egyptians spoke of their Gods they indicated them with “the” and so we would have had “the Azar.” This term “the” also meant Lord or God, like the Greek word for God The-os or Theos. One of the Hebrew terms for Lord was El and was applied to their many deities, such as El-Shaddai or El-hoim. So when the Hebraic writers included Osiris in their myths they put him in as El-Azar ­ The Lord Osiris. This in the later Latin translation was changed to El-Azar-us. This use of the “us” was the way that masculine names ended under the Roman language. In fact, in Arabic Lazarus is still spelt El-Azir, hence missing the “us”. So we now have El-Azar-us, which reduced further into Lazarus. In this way the Egyptian, or should we say much older mythos, became the literal truth of the Biblical record.

Horus therefore raised “El-Azar-us” or “El-Osiris” from the dead, just as Christ was to raise “Lazarus.” This story in itself is an allegory of the sun god Osiris being reborn but never the less gives us the remarkable fact that Mary of Bethany, as the sister of Lazarus, was in literary and esoteric reality, the sister of Jesus.

And so, as we find that Jesus and Mary were in reality based upon a much older Egyptian mythology, which itself stretches back even further in time to ancient Sumeria, we also find that the story of Abraham and Sarai are no different. In the Koran (6:75) we find that Abraham’s father was called Azar (Osiris), and so Abraham was Horus, just as Jesus was Horus. Lo and behold, we also discover (Luke 16: 22-25) that Lazarus himself rested in the bosom of Abraham, just as Osiris as the crippled god, rested in his resurrecting son’s arms.

And it was this Abraham, this Brahma or Osiris, that is said to have spawned the very Children of Israel. Let’s take a look at Abraham’s sons and see if we can reveal the hidden serpent lineage or serpent secrets that we found elsewhere in The Serpent Grail.

Abraham’s son Ishmael, by Hagar, his maidservant, also had children who lived in India, or Havilah (land of serpents), as it is in Genesis. Both famous sons of Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac have names that revert back to the worship of that serpent Hindu deity Siva.

Ishmael is Ish-Maal in Hebrew, and in Sanskrit, Ish-Mahal means ‘Great Siva.’ Isaac is Ishaak in Hebrew, and Ishakhu in Sanskrit ­ which means ‘Friend of Siva.’ Most startling of all is the very name of Abraham himself, which could mean that Abraham was nothing other than a Naga King - Ab Ram - actually means ‘exalted snake.’

Abraham and Hi-ram of the Freemasons are one and the same.

People argue about which religion is right or who came first or which story is the correct one, this is foolishness, there has always been ONE story with certain characters, but these characters have been using different MASKS because of languages and locations.

So who are the real Jews? look at the foundation (Abraham) and you will learn the real Jews. Ancient history says he came from India, if he is a real person to begin with and not a esoteric mystery.

Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on February 22, 2008, 12:10:24 AM
zzzzzzz

Did you write all that yourself you?man? and if not how come you never sight any of your sources.  Whats the title "Aryan brotherhood and the Jew rats"? lol
I just want to point out that there is no such distinction as "real jews". One is either Jewish or not. So as we see the whole desire to create a category like "real jews" is an effort to defame Jews by implying that there are "fake jews".  You can always tell when something is propaganda when it speculates the similarity of a name and then makes huge jumps of bullshit like "in reality Jesus and Mary were based on egyptian myth". Where they going to run when they find out that Jesus and Mary are based in reality?
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: natty threads on February 22, 2008, 01:47:54 AM
Where they going to run when they find out that Jesus and Mary are based in reality?

I don't know where they'll run, but they'll be eating the bread of sorrow.

;)

God bless.
Posted on: February 22, 2008, 01:27:58 am
It's been clear to me for some time that Brahma is a deification of Abraham.
There are so many cases of this happening throughout history there's no reason to believe it didn't happen here.
Abraham is not an allegory. He was a real man with a real history and real descendants. These genealogies were  a matter of written public record until Titus sacked Jerusalem in 70 ce and had them all destroyed.

I have studied mediaeval art. Something that came up over and over again, that I have only recently rediscovered since developing "belief" is that so many different peoples from so many different places, throughout Europe (and even some Native Americans and some Asians) trace their history to one of Noah's three sons, primarily Japheth.

THIS IS INDEPENDENT OF BELIEF.
Many of these people who trace their genealogies thus are pagans who had no desire for Christ and no belief in the One God.

Was this allegorical?

Sarai is not Isis.
Mary is not Isis, neither Mary Magdalene nor Mary the mother of Jesus.

ISIS is Isis, Ishtar is Isis, Easter is Isis, Vesta may be Isis, Aphrodite may be Isis.

The Freemasons and Templars have tried to make Mary into Isis and have co-opted not only Mary but Jesus as well to fit into their plan and lead people from the truth.

All myth is true myth, but all true myth isn't the same myth.
You can call Jesus Horus, but He isn't.
You can call Mary Isis, but she isn't.

Jesus was an actual historical person of whom there is an independent record.

Any similarities are not "copying" but supernatural foreshadowing, "prefiguring" in the parlance.

The similarities are to make you sit up and take notice, not to make you lazy and say "Oh they're the same."

You might think you're hungry, but the bread of sorrow doesn't taste so good once you eat it.

Better off drinking the water of life.

;)

God bless.

Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: paco on February 22, 2008, 02:14:13 AM
 'even some Native Americans  trace their history to one of Noah's three sons, primarily Japheth.'

greetings bro/sis, did you read this in a book? or have you actually sat down with some indigenous elders and were told this? juss asking.

                            blessings all/ways
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Human on February 22, 2008, 03:11:38 AM
Lol, of course, your both right. I just prayed to jesus and now im a believer, forgive me. Im now a christian.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on February 22, 2008, 03:33:34 AM
I suppose now you'll want to learn about Rastafari and all that, but I got to say, I'd be more open to teaching you if you hadn't been such a know-it-all baal worshiper for the last year. Maybe rootsridge could help you out.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on February 22, 2008, 03:52:41 AM
So as we see the whole desire to create a category like "real jews" is an effort to defame Jews by implying that there are "fake jews".

Checking Revelation 2:9 I see that the bible already done saying there are fake jews.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on February 22, 2008, 03:57:06 AM
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Lol, of course, your both right. I just prayed to jesus and now im a believer, forgive me. Im now a christian
cool!!!!! well yah'll be experiencing true unconditional love and know that yah're already forgiven then....
Jesus is Yeshua,Yesus, Yashua (Ben-Joseph) Emmanuel, The Nazarene, those are some of the titles I Know him by
as the Istorical figure
He is real
symbology is cool, yah can learn things from it, but reality is much juicier
taste His fruit and you'll get a taste for it, its sweeter than any other
The more grounded in RastafarI I become, the more I see no separation between Yesus n His Imperial Majesty Selassie I Ras TafarI
The story is huge and not limited to our under or overstanding
He is back of all so it is not surprising other Istorical figures have similarities to Him
His flavour permeates all....
His mercy is the grace we know Gods love for us by
He is the perfect first child of the Infinite flawless Father and Mother Creator
aspects of Him could and probably did incarnate in those earlier times.......but the fullness resided in that One from Nazareth about 2000 years ago as the perfect Son and we RastafarI see that same Spirit of the Most High as the King of Kings, residing in HIM, as the embodiment of the Father, Son and whole-I Spirit in One Ivine personage, which we, as Realized RastafarI are not separate from.....
as for Jews...There may be Indian and Egyptian connections but I know they originate from another world and are The Ones who carry the rasponsibility for communicating the grace and power and wisdom and relationship with the Most High God of all the Worlds.....
Africa is the birth place of Imanity, we all come from there originally
yet the Hebrew story is the Hebrew story, the ones who have the covenant know who they are, regardless of how we argue and blaspheme, discuss and distort, speculating endlessly......
Faith is faith and one cannot be shamed or discredited out of it
OneLove and raspect
Nyah I
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on February 22, 2008, 04:50:17 AM
Checking Revelation 2:9 I see that the bible already done saying there are fake jews.

No...It speaks of people who say they are Jews but are not. Not "fake Jews". And the one who's position it is to judge whether someone is a Jew or not is JAH, So that "fake Jew" would even come out of your mouth proves your ignorance in itself.

Posted on: February 22, 2008, 04:17:29 am
the ones who have the covenant know who they are,

Seen fIyah Nyah, that's what I've been trying to tell these backbiters. How they going to tell me I'm not something His Majesty HIMself told me I was. WHO DEM???  Jews Know who they are because we been trodding this way with the same thousand people nipping at our heels eva since. Let dem rage. JAH have a suprise fe dem. Like u say the proof is in the pudding, heathen can get bun.
Posted on: February 22, 2008, 04:25:39 am
I mean dem musta forgot that Rastafari is the defender of the orthodox Christian faith. So what does that make them who come here day after day to spread their anti-christ propaganda? Agents of Lucifer. Oh but I know you'll tell me Lucifer is just some planet or whatever. But what happens when your wrong? JAH doesn't take kindly to leading his sheep astray. Can I proof that Jesus existed? Of course not, that's why it called a Christian Faith. I and I give no importance to proving things in some mudane babylone sense. That's duppy atheist business, so why don't all you pseudo history closet racist speculators go find one of those kind of web boards?
Posted on: February 22, 2008, 04:45:24 am
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Human on February 22, 2008, 05:02:02 AM
Jesus told me to forgive you Elijah, even though your a clown i forgive you, jesus told me so. Happy christian to you my brother in Christ. This jesus stuff is great.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on February 22, 2008, 05:34:52 AM
Being a clown is not a sin. Blaspheming the holy spirit however is an unforgivable one. So I can overstand why you would remain unrepentant since it would be in vain.
Posted on: February 22, 2008, 05:12:46 am
I mean to me its just so telling that really no matter what gets talked about here it always come back to a bunch of people whining about how "Jesus is a fraud and the Jews are fakes". Or if its not that it's "Blacks are better than whites" or some other such totally un-rasta nonsense.  Seriously I wonder how many of these same conversations are happening at this very moment. It seems like the atheist party line. The new antisemitism is to deny that the Jews are Jews at all. Its obviously a bunch of built up resentment and false pride, It like the fiyah nyah was saying every armchair historian wants to think they got some inside line on the bombshell that going to "proof" the bible's fake, When Selassie I just be stepping on dem heads to drink from the fountain of life.
You can leave the women though.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on February 22, 2008, 09:51:15 AM
No...It speaks of people who say they are Jews but are not. Not "fake Jews". And the one who's position it is to judge whether someone is a Jew or not is JAH, So that "fake Jew" would even come out of your mouth proves your ignorance in itself.

My dictionary defines fake as someone who is not genuine or "a person who appears or claims to be something that they are not". (Oxford American)

I'm not pointing fingers at anyone just responding to your statement quote "is an effort to defame Jews by implying that there are "fake jews"."

Saying there are fake jews is not really implying and even if it is the source is in the bible Revelation 2:9.

Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Human on February 22, 2008, 03:45:36 PM
No the sad truth is this forum is a simple tow the line forum, dont step outside of the what the preachers have taught you, dont search for any truth just beleive blindly what the bible says literaly, dont ask questions, dont give the people here information that upsets the status quo and irational mindset. That is what this forum is now, that is what Rasta to a few on here is, stagnant, no movement, simply dont look toward the future by learning the past just keep on repeating the same thing over and over, refute anything and everything that upsets the way the collective concious has been indoctrinated by years of lies and storytellings. Shootdown the old historians of ancient literature and build up the modern lie machine, castrate anyone who gives information on ancient history straight from the source and praise the ones who tell you the same shit day in and day out that you can read in any happy christian book. Dont read between the lines of the ancient parables or analogies and use your intuition and mind simply beleive the exoteric unconventional irrational stories. Welcome to the Rasta forum were everything that doesn't say exactly the way it says in the new re-written books of the winners of wars is paganism or heathenism, no need to look forward and brighten the mind here, it's better to close the eyes and walk past. No wonder the real Rastas like Mutabaruka are fed up with the so called movement, because the people dont want to hear and accept anything different from what they learned back in the 1930's. At least Muta has the balls to say it like it is along with Mortimer Planno who actually met his majesty, but hey, to the rasta elder on here they must not be a real rasta because of there different thinking. One will give there interpretation and say Selassie is God and he is instantly Rasta, the other will say no they beleive he is not but divine and they are called weakheart or pagan, one gives history straight from the new books anyone can purchase at any bookstore and another will give references from ancient sources and be called an armchair historian, how pathetic this sight has become, take care to the real Rasses on here, you know who you are bredrin and sistren, good luck learning anything on here with the new world Rasta ideologies that say carrying guns is in order with the kings way to protect the path "Jah Jah city Jah Jah town dem whan to turn it into a cowboy town dem".

"Theosophy is the quest for wisdom, not merely knowledge. You may read any book, but the book itself doesn't bring any wisdom. But you can pick up a question from the book and what you do with it and how you relate with the question and how deeply you explore it determines how much you will learn from it. To have this capacity to learn is more essential than to have books. Otherwise you just acquire a lot of knowledge and not wisdom".

"The quest for truth is not divided"



Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on February 22, 2008, 07:40:32 PM
My dictionary defines fake as someone who is not genuine or "a person who appears or claims to be something that they are not". (Oxford American)

I'm not pointing fingers at anyone just responding to your statement quote "is an effort to defame Jews by implying that there are "fake jews"."

Saying there are fake jews is not really implying and even if it is the source is in the bible Revelation 2:9.



Saying there are "fake jews" implies that one is a Jew but not a "real" Jews.  When in reality the fakes are not Jews at all. Like I said, My issue is more with the term "the real jews". There is no designation "real Jew" there is only Jews and non-Jews. I suppose one could be "A Jew who's real" but that's a nother story. A reason why it makes a difference is because often one is considered a Jew because of their ancestry but this even is not the full truth. So the term "Fake Jews" when used generally can make implications about the Character of a people based on ancestry.

The truth is that yes this maybe a toe the line forum, because its a Rastafari forum, We toe Rastafari's line if that's a problem with you then GO AWAY!! First of all whether its MutaBaraka or Mortimer Planno(rip), anyone who claims to be a Rastaman but cant hold His Majesties seal in public discourse(at the least) is not worthy of the title.  Rastafari has laid down specific orders within a specific trodition. If you don't like it.... Join the rest of the world in frustrated vanity. That Rastafari is a trod of believers was never in question. So all a one who comes here to try to move people out of faith does is reveal themselves as a hater. With all their boasted free thinking they still cant seem to grasp something most simple of all. That just because there is alot of evidence pointing to the coincidence of Religious History etc. does not mean that they cant ALL be true, and in fact this fact is accounted for in the bible when Yeshua tells us that he is greater than all the other Christs, acknowledging their existence. Do not forget that we are dealing with the supernatural. To me, It all comes down to the fundamental difference of someone who believes in G-d and someone who doesn't believe in G-d. G-d made it so that you had to believe and once you did he let you know, You'll have to ask HIM why. I generally have no issue with someone who doesn't believe in G-d. But when they need forcibly insert themselves into a Immunity of believers and even claim that their unbelief is somehow belief that they cross the line into Iritual Violence and ones should know by now how I handle dat.
Posted on: February 22, 2008, 07:22:45 pm
I want to explain why ones like you?Man? and Mutabaraka are atheistic. Dem say JAH is a human created Principle. But Man has a Creator, Who is Within, Above, Before, After, and Beyond His Creation. If that's too much for you to swallow then choke.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Human on February 22, 2008, 09:19:52 PM
I want to explain why ones like you?Man? and Mutabaraka are atheistic. Dem say JAH is a human created Principle. But Man has a Creator, Who is Within, Above, Before, After, and Beyond His Creation. If that's too much for you to swallow then choke.

Wrong , i never said "human" created principle, love how you turn things around for the people to fit your uneducated stance.

 Rastafari has laid down specific orders within a specific trodition. Wrong again!
you?Man? and Mutabaraka are atheistic  wrong again!



Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on February 22, 2008, 10:53:59 PM
You may have not said that exactly but that's the vein I gather from most of your posts. Do you believe in a G-d beyond creation? I don't think you do. Which is what I call a materialistic atheist. Of course you bring up my "education" because a person like yourself uses the credentials and recognition of the "world" or external forms of authority as the basis of his knowledge and value system. You know nothing about and actually hold contempt for the mystical knowing of the heart. A faithless one indeed. You think Rastafari wouldn't see your secular scholastic pride for what it is and call out your attempted destruction of the Irit. Because that is what you are doing. You think you can know what happened three thousand years ago cause of some book or a stone. Bullshit. No one knows. I and I hold a faith in those regards if you have a problem with it take it up with I father. Casue HIM a sworn and shall not repent. Unu's the ones who need to fit your fear of the unfathomable into you anthropocentric Iniverse where man created G-d, to try and justify your arrogance. You already said you going so go. Maybe we can look foward to Rasta building with out a bunch of fence riding hangers on telling we to read some book thats already written on our soul. "History" Vampires trying to "explain" JAH what a vanity!
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on February 22, 2008, 11:24:50 PM
Saying there are "fake jews" implies that one is a Jew but not a "real" Jews.
The bible is saying (paraphrased) that there are fake jews and that would imply that ONE is a Jew. One who? The book? I know the bible is not the book of the jews, well, part of it is but the christians add unto it.

When in reality the fakes are not Jews at all. Like I said, My issue is more with the term "the real jews". There is no designation "real Jew" there is only Jews and non-Jews. I suppose one could be "A Jew who's real" but that's a nother story.
When you try to reduce the issue from real jews and fake jews to jew and non-jew you steer the attention away from the group of people who are claiming to be jews even though they are not, who in fact are a third group of people separate from the honest jews and the honest non-jews.

often one is considered a Jew because of their ancestry but this even is not the full truth.
I recognize your point here and I agree that ancestry don't take precedence over how one choose to live ones life. Actually I think how one choose to live ones life is the only thing that matters, but then again I don't consider myself to be a jew so it's just my personal opinion.

I give thanks for life and praises unto god, always.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Human on February 23, 2008, 01:59:07 AM
More dribble from the fake.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on February 23, 2008, 03:28:01 AM
The bible is saying (paraphrased) that there are fake jews and that would imply that ONE is a Jew.


No its not. Its saying that there are people who call themselves Jews but aren't. You may not be intelligent enough to overstand the distinction in wording.

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One who? The book? I know the bible is not the book of the jews, well, part of it is but the christians add unto it.


That's a common misunderstanding. The bible is an entirely Jewish book, But some Jews haven't accepted the full of it. The bible teaches how Jesus is the Jewish Messiah who came for the lost sheep of Israel. That the world is saved through him is just a secondary consequence. All the Gospels according to the faith were written by and about Jews.


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When you try to reduce the issue from real jews and fake jews to jew and non-jew you steer the attention away from the group of people who are claiming to be jews even though they are not, who in fact are a third group of people separate from the honest jews and the honest non-jews.

I'm not trying to reduce anything. I'm just telling you how not to speak ignorantly. There is no such distinction as "a Real Jew". Someone is either a Jew or Not. There is already enough hate and slander surrounding the Jews so speaking about "real Jews" just creates more hate and fear. That there may be people who call themselves Jews but are not really any of my business but JAH's, Too bad you can't mind your own. Revelations 2:9 as the word of G-d, JAH is speaking in the first person when He says "I know the slander of those who say they are Jews but are the Synagogue of Satan". I bet you thought you knew that, but your just an anti-semite paranoid commoner.

More dribble from the fake.

Didn't you say you were leaving. Of course I and I knew your word was all but meaningless already. But really, You claim to be a grown man and look at what you've reduced yourself to. You? Man? NAH. You can't bring a single logical reasoning to justify your constantly presenting propaganda against the Faith Rastafari Defends on a Rastafari board because its simply indefensible. But you cant help your self. You obviously have a complex, because faith in Christ makes you feel a way.  So you resort to calling people "zionist's" and "Funny little Jew Boys" to avoid taking responsibility for your ignorance, And to mask your low class white supremacist ways. Don't you have some more self exalting reading to imagine away your goyishness to do?
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on February 23, 2008, 06:58:39 AM
No its not. Its saying that there are people who call themselves Jews but aren't. You may not be intelligent enough to overstand the distinction in wording.
Maybe it's those who call themselves jews but aren't who isn't intelligent enough. As you say already, Jah know anyway.
 

That's a common misunderstanding. The bible is an entirely Jewish book, But some Jews haven't accepted the full of it. The bible teaches how Jesus is the Jewish Messiah who came for the lost sheep of Israel. That the world is saved through him is just a secondary consequence. All the Gospels according to the faith were written by and about Jews.
If it's an entirely jewish book then what are the people called that don't accept it? Correct me if I'm wrong, the jews in Israel don't accept Jesus but live according to the Torah. I think you got it backwards, Jesus came for everyone and that happen to include the jews. There are no first class second class people, except those who insist on living like that.

I'm not trying to reduce anything. I'm just telling you how not to speak ignorantly. There is no such distinction as "a Real Jew". Someone is either a Jew or Not. There is already enough hate and slander surrounding the Jews so speaking about "real Jews" just creates more hate and fear. That there may be people who call themselves Jews but are not really any of my business but JAH's, Too bad you can't mind your own. Revelations 2:9 as the word of G-d, JAH is speaking in the first person when He says "I know the slander of those who say they are Jews but are the Synagogue of Satan". I bet you thought you knew that, but your just an anti-semite paranoid commoner.
According to what you just said in the second paragraph the real jews are those that accept Jesus and the others who haven't accepted him yet are but lost. Hate and fear comes from ignorance so indeed, lets clear the confusion away. You are saying that the fake jews is JAH's business only? Is that specifically only for jews or does that regard the fake of any dominion?
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Human on February 23, 2008, 03:37:14 PM
And you stoop to calling woman names like bitches, like you called my wife because you couldnt get to me, you wimp little boy.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on February 23, 2008, 04:40:21 PM
Maybe it's those who call themselves jews but aren't who isn't intelligent enough.

Maybe their both stupid.

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If it's an entirely jewish book then what are the people called that don't accept it?

They could be called many things Pagans, Heathens, or Jews who haven't accepted Christ.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, the jews in Israel don't accept Jesus but live according to the Torah.


Some accept Jesus some don't. Some live according to the Torah some don't.

 
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I think you got it backwards, Jesus came for everyone and that happen to include the jews.

Then why would Jesus tell us "I was sent only for the lost sheep of Israel?"

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According to what you just said in the second paragraph the real jews are those that accept Jesus and the others who haven't accepted him yet are but lost.

Oskar what is wrong with you? I've already told you that there is no such thing as "real Jew". I think the term for Jews that have accepted Christ may be completed Jew but that doesn't make those who haven't not Jewish, Just still trodding towards the truth.

And you stoop to calling woman names like bitches, like you called my wife because you couldnt get to me, you wimp little boy.

I called your wife a bitch because she's married to a racist ras clot, Not "woman" in general. You should ask yourself if I called your wife a bitch because "I couldn't get to you" or because there wasn't much of "you" left to get to. Someone spouting racist slurs and ignoring questions doesn't need much help in being discredited. But "getting to you" wouldn't be a problem sameway. Sounds like your looking for beef but just Imember you lick me first.

Blessed Sabbath of JAH LOVE.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on February 23, 2008, 06:42:04 PM
Then why would Jesus tell us "I was sent only for the lost sheep of Israel?"

Yes, that is what he said, yet he did help her.

Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on February 23, 2008, 07:09:29 PM
Talk about backwards. You make no sense. "Yet he did help her" Of course he helped her That's why he came. You can run but you can't hide. Your the one who said "Jesus came for everyone but happened to include the Jews". But He said "I came only for the lost sheep of Israel". Not "I came for only the lost sheep of Israel". Again your intelligence may limit your overstanding here. He fulfilled  Jewish prophecy and is the Lion of Judah. So who are you? And why do you insist on being in the way all the time? Seriously you have no ears and no eyes. But you do a good job being your typical gentile centrist with zero true overstanding. So thanks for playing your part. Perfect hatred on a weakheart.

So answer for your self and stop trying to avoid the issue like a punk. How can you say Jesus came for everyone when he told us he came only for Jews?
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on February 23, 2008, 07:28:15 PM
[...]Perfect hatred on a weakheart.

I know I love my creator. I also know that hatred is not love.

"Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;"
 -Matthew 5:43-44

Posted on: February 23, 2008, 07:24:22 pm
So answer for your self and stop trying to avoid the issue like a punk. How can you say Jesus came for everyone when he told us he came only for Jews?

Why did he help the woman if he only came for Jews? It don't make sense.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on February 23, 2008, 08:31:34 PM
The perfect hatred of wickedness is the same as the love of g-d.  As far as your question, He did a small favor for a lady and mentioned that he was making an exception because she was a Samaritan. I thought you were talking about Israel as "her". If him doing one little favor one time for a Samaritan lady doesn't make sense because his larger mission as he said was for Israel then I don't know what to tell you, but repeat that your blind and deaf.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: natty threads on February 23, 2008, 08:33:06 PM
Because of her Faith.

God bless
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on February 23, 2008, 10:04:56 PM
The perfect hatred of wickedness is the same as the love of g-d.
Exactly the teaching that Jesus spoke against. He said love your enemy.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on February 23, 2008, 10:43:58 PM
One need not hate the sinner to hate the sin. If you think that Jesus taught to love wickedness then your one sick puppy.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: paco on February 23, 2008, 11:27:13 PM

  juss a thot--even sick puppies need love. this sounds like some serious stuff being disCUSSed here. i wonder who's right and wrong? i wonder if this is the kinda stuff people kill each other over or massacre each other? thots, perceptions, ideas.........

Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on February 23, 2008, 11:47:25 PM
One need not hate the sinner to hate the sin. If you think that Jesus taught to love wickedness then your one sick puppy.

I agree.
Posted on: February 23, 2008, 11:45:54 pm
  juss a thot--even sick puppies need love. this sounds like some serious stuff being disCUSSed here. i wonder who's right and wrong? i wonder if this is the kinda stuff people kill each other over or massacre each other? thots, perceptions, ideas.........

True true.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on February 24, 2008, 12:45:07 AM
I want to big up Oskar who has demonstrated that he is a verified master of wasting time.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Human on February 24, 2008, 03:13:08 AM
There always tuff over the internet but in person...well different story.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on February 24, 2008, 03:46:47 AM
Of course, Though a duppy you can spot from a thousand miles either way.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on February 24, 2008, 05:23:50 AM
Got nothing intelligent to say so you resort to insults. I'm sorry if you loose your focus. To get back on track try to address the topic.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on February 24, 2008, 04:57:05 PM
No. That you misunderstand things and make false implications against me obstructs reasoning and delays the dissemination of knowledge is just a fact that needs to be address. How can the train move with a log on the track? As far as this thread. What topic? The "topic" of this thread is a confusion itself. Ones are angry at Jews for being involved in slavery? Do they know that "Blacks" were involved in slavery? Are they "angry" at blacks? Slavery was a human institution since biblical times that was participated in on some level by all peoples, of all religions...etc. Slavery is now illegal. Laughat7 still in Africa, maybe his ancestors were some of the people that sold others into slavery? He's probably just angry cause people dont worship him like the g-d he thinks he is cause of his black skin.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: natty threads on February 24, 2008, 05:52:10 PM
I read the thread topic "The real YEWS."

I thought it was about trees.

;)

There are still slave markets in Liberia.
Going rate for an ag slave ten years ago was $20 American.

Naggles at my mind trying to figure out how to make that work...buying and freeing people.

Can't blame the Jews for slavery- OR the yews for that matter. Maybe the baobabs. They may be in Liberia.

India- there is still an indentured servant trade in India- that's like slavery. Those women (it's usually the women there) can buy their freedom for just a few dollars American. Maybe there are yews in India to blame.

God bless.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on February 24, 2008, 07:22:30 PM
I thought the topic was about jews. It appears to be about slavery now though.

I still think name calling is inappropriate and uncalled for.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on February 24, 2008, 08:06:27 PM
Here is a copy of the Iriginal post. Let it speak to what "you thought" this topic was about.


The real title to this thread is "The Real JEWS and those who think they are" or rather "those who call themselves Jews and are not." If so called "Judaism" is about enslaving people and denying it when facts speak for them selves then it is about enslavement and lies. Both of those are sins unto I FATHER. Real JEWS do not deal inna that.

Let this thread speak for itself.



prophet7

Posted on: February 24, 2008, 08:01:22 pm
Yeah and you must have missed this link and whole discussion  in this thread too

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1966135525893447110&q=judaic+role+slave&total=6&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

So why don't you stay on topic, focused, and on track and move away from racist paranoia.



Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: natty threads on February 24, 2008, 11:02:56 PM
If I knew how to make people stop calling each other names I'd be all up on it.

People are still enslaving people. I don't think the trees have a thing to do with it.

The slavery I know about is in India and Africa, specifically Liberia.
As far as I know, there isn't a big Jewish influence in either country, but I'm no expert.

God will deal with the downpressors.
They'll eat the bread of sorrow.

Jesus said to call no man a fool.

God bless.

Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on February 25, 2008, 01:24:43 AM
Come on now, I was only a little bit confused about this and because of that I have "racist paranoia"?

Thank you all for resolving that.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on February 25, 2008, 01:42:34 AM
Feel no way. I said "move away from it".
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: paco on February 25, 2008, 02:12:38 AM

short clips:

wounds:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-574729925115343293&q=you+can+heal+your+life&total=597&start=60&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=5


another view: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6571339670615446379&q=john+trudell+being+human&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0


                                      something holy moves, paco
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on February 25, 2008, 04:39:09 AM
Feel no way. I said "move away from it".
I'm not afraid of it so I won't let it control my moves.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Peace_Loving on February 25, 2008, 11:35:21 AM
Love the "wounds" video, Paco.  Beautiful!
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on February 25, 2008, 04:18:39 PM
I'm not afraid of it so I won't let it control my moves.

I didn't say to be afraid of it, or to let it control you moves. You should move away from it to set an example. 
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on February 25, 2008, 06:29:18 PM
I didn't bring it here and I don't move because you say so.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on February 25, 2008, 11:38:18 PM
Nah, You don't move because your selfish.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on February 26, 2008, 01:16:17 AM
Thank you. My conscience is within myself anyhow so that's where I have to look.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: paco on February 26, 2008, 01:57:05 AM


no disrespect to anyone. thot someone might enjoy this.

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s187/paco7777/pileofgod.jpg)
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: natty threads on February 26, 2008, 03:04:06 AM

Oh Paco that is so funny-

And here I thought it was the yews.

;)

God bless.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: prophet777 on March 03, 2008, 09:28:24 PM
I would like to get back to reasoning.

They are some true things said since I last post (by the direct answerer) but, he himself has to realize that those same people who preached it were Africans and in India they still are !

They are the ones that they (some Indians) call the "underclass" because they are much darker/blacker than any one there !
They are a big part of the original people that came from Africa.

Take a look at the original "blacks" from Ithiopia ! Same features, same hair, and even same beliefs ! The same type that built the pyramids ! Africans....SIMPLE.
What more do I have to say ?

Man, know yourself.

prophet7

Africans are the originators of everything that exists and evertyhing that developed out of what existed in this world. Many people abused this knowledge to get them silver and gold but, in the end, truth shall conquer for I and I Father is TRUTH. Why else would everyone be here following an AFRICAN TRADITION ?

But fools, at the same time, try fe twist it them way and by doing so do not recognize that they are denying themselves by denying what is true. In reality, they are just denying what is, what was, and what forever shall be. But, as it was in the beginning so shall it be in the end.

prophet7

 
Posted on: March 03, 2008, 09:11:35 pm
As for those "other" Indians...I think that is the "mixed race" you are really talking about ? The ones that have a problem with what is ? Why else would they deny they "own" if they are the same ?

I guess it is the mixed blood that is in them that makes them think they are better ? Why ? Because it makes them "lighter" in complexion so now they are better through it ?

Just like Malcolm said House .... and Field ....

You have been duped.

prophet7

Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Jah-Sonic on March 07, 2008, 12:54:26 AM
You are more confused than the word confusion.

Excuse me be respectful to the person. People deserve respect, not mockery.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: prophet777 on April 10, 2008, 09:35:17 PM
Excuse me be respectful to the person. People deserve respect, not mockery.
Well if you are in a state where you can not further define confusion then you are indeed in a state that goes beyond confusion. Why should I then show RASPECT for a lie ??? R U asking I to lie in order to accept liars opinions ? LOL. Not I.

P7
Posted on: April 10, 2008, 09:46:59 pm
What is your aim and purpose upon this forum seeing that it is an African thing that you all deny ? (I do not mean all upon here, I am addressing those that do so) ?? Selassie is a black man....Rasta FORMULATED ON THAT TRUTH !! Why you all wanna come with a Jesus talk ? I and I deal with Selassie i.e., the return of I Messiah !! So, now, that I perceive the TRUTH through your lies and realize that the truth is from I (what you do not want to accept) then I really have to ask what it is what you seek ? What is your purpose upon this forum ? To cause disruptions ? Why else would you be here ? I am talking to all colors of all nations, all. No names. All I see is foolishnes. I and I deal with truth - if you do not know it by now. I will expose your all foolishness. I will expose you.

This is not a game for I : This is THE truth. And this ain't no threat - it is a promise !

P7
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on April 10, 2008, 11:16:02 PM
Are yah trying to tell we Selassie nah deal wid CHRIST and di Ible????????
wah foolishness di I speak of?
How can the I try tell I all Jews are black?
Tell I WHY den, are Ithiopians milky coffee coloured?
they are not blue black like Kenyans or Sudanese
Can you proove to we that pale skinned Hebrew people didn't move into Itheopia and interbred with darker Africans to make the present day paler brown Ithiopians we have today...?????
I have an Ithiopian friend and she is coffee coloured with a hint of milk, explain that to I if Selassie I, His Glorious Majesty is pure African, why dis paler shade of black we see???????
You chant down we pales and try deny the euro influence THAT HIS MAJESTY embraced as a part of HIM, yet many of we know better.....
Hebrew people are black, brown all the way to pale-skinned
I and I RASTAFARI and LOVE YESUS CHRIST just as His Majesty Obviously does
so deal wid it
and I love Africans and Mother Africa too
yes you are Iriginals, but his Majesty is mixed, so too Bob Marley and a million more Ras
Not everything is about pure blackness
so all you blacker than black bredren, nuff raspect but have some consideration for the other combinations of Jah glorious colours and shades
Chant down pale skins and you are chanting down the truth of His Majesty
for remember His paler black and you will see, we are part of HIM too
Blessings ina Onelove style
Nyah I
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Nepsis on April 15, 2008, 07:35:29 PM
Well if you are in a state where you can not further define confusion then you are indeed in a state that goes beyond confusion. Why should I then show RASPECT for a lie ??? R U asking I to lie in order to accept liars opinions ? LOL. Not I.

P7
Posted on: April 10, 2008, 09:46:59 pm
What is your aim and purpose upon this forum seeing that it is an African thing that you all deny ? (I do not mean all upon here, I am addressing those that do so) ?? Selassie is a black man....Rasta FORMULATED ON THAT TRUTH !! Why you all wanna come with a Jesus talk ? I and I deal with Selassie i.e., the return of I Messiah !! So, now, that I perceive the TRUTH through your lies and realize that the truth is from I (what you do not want to accept) then I really have to ask what it is what you seek ? What is your purpose upon this forum ? To cause disruptions ? Why else would you be here ? I am talking to all colors of all nations, all. No names. All I see is foolishnes. I and I deal with truth - if you do not know it by now. I will expose your all foolishness. I will expose you.

This is not a game for I : This is THE truth. And this ain't no threat - it is a promise !

P7
After much consideration, I have decided its best for me to leave Rasta Nicks forum, I suppose this is as good a place as any to post this.  I apologize for disruptions I have caused to those on the Rasta trod.  I came here originally because I had taken a vow in hopes of becoming a stronger person who can support the cause of justice in this world.  I have learned how much of a failure I am as a human being and just how powerless I am to effect change, and I thank God and you all for this.  I believe that the true orthodox christian faith reveals God's purpose in this world and provides the tools to get there.  I do not expect anyone to accept this, but it is my belief.  I have foolishly come here trying to rep it and honor the emperor who truly DOES rep it.  For me, the emperor is proof of the faith in that he reveals the holiness of God and is the fruit of orthodoxy.  As are all the saints.

The problem is me.  In reality if I don't live it, and should learn to just keep my mouth shut.   I need to travel a million miles but I've only moved an inch in 10 years.  Rather than being activated through virtue, I am slave to passion.   I eat too much, drink too much, sleep too much, entertain myself to much, idle too much, bullshit too much - fulfill all kinds of unimportant desires.  All with full knowledge that there are others who do not have the means and are within my reach.  So I am the source of downpression and the furtherment of inequity between people, how can I deny?    So who am I to enter into any discussion of body, soul, spirit?  As much as I wish to the contrary, I am no better than my earthly forefathers who objectively acted upon this sick weakness of soul and exploited, enslaved, tortured, killed, and stole.  Please forgive me, and may God bless you.  If I ever shared anything helpful, it would have been an accident on my part and all Glory to God.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on April 16, 2008, 07:44:17 AM
I would be sad if I neva talked to you again My Brudda Nepsis,
I have learnt from and loved from the I has contributed...but hey...I do empathize
I am feeling the vibe too
and am shamed and humbled
still, knowing that the ALmightys love is unconditional and merciful, I will let Him be the one to move
I where and when
I too had an agenda is spread unity vibes and a Spiritual Love that moves I and I
and although I feel the hate and distrust that exists, I know a deeper bond unites us
Faith is what I feel
but can't deny I unworthiness to lay claim to any "Truth"
I am sorry if I have contributed to further pain and ailenation to any here
your Sistah from down Under
Nyah I
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Nepsis on April 16, 2008, 04:23:24 PM
I thank thee also.  Yes, there is certainly much we share, I am aware of this.  Please pray for I and I for thee.  Feel free to send private messages here, they get forwarded to email.  I will continue to come back here but only as one of the idiotes.  Read-only.  until I am a faithful one.  i only condemn myself if I speak
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on April 23, 2008, 11:47:01 PM
Why you all wanna come with a Jesus talk ? I and I deal with Selassie i.e., the return of I Messiah !! So, now, that I perceive the TRUTH through your lies and realize that the truth is from I (what you do not want to accept) then I really have to ask what it is what you seek?

The Prophet has come.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: natty threads on April 24, 2008, 03:25:05 AM
What Nepsis said.

How is Selassie HIM if the bible is false?
It makes no sense.

Also, what about the archeological evidence for the Exodus?
What about the coral encrusted chariots strewn across the land bridge under the Red Sea?

If one starts with the ass-umption that a lie is the truth all of the evidence will support the lie.

People ignore data to spare their models.

ROCK YOUR MODELS and open your eyes.

I am about to go on a model-rocking adventure.
How else to open minds and learn?

http://www.bereanpublishers.com/Apologetics/parting_of_the_red_sea.htm

Bless up!
Jennifer
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Human on April 24, 2008, 12:40:56 PM
Confirmation of the actual Exodus route has come from divers finding coral-encrusted bones and chariot remains in the Gulf of Aqaba ...sorry but that's not confirmation or proof of divine intervention. Many many top researchers with decorated backgrounds highly refute this. Here's just a little reason why.

Coral-encrusted BONES!!!!!!!  LOL, coral -encrusted BONES?   Think about that for a moment people. Encrusted

Do you know how long it takes in salt water for bones to disintegrate?
Not picking on you sistren at all, just observing this "incredible research" that's sponsored by large Christian organizations to bring us the "Truth"..

Ronald Eldon Wyatt (1933 - August 4, 1999) was an amateur archaeologist (he had no training in the discipline and held no professional position) and author who claimed to have discovered many significant biblical sites and artifacts. His claims are dismissed by scientists, historians, biblical scholars and most Christian leaders even in his own Seventh-day Adventist Church, but he continues to be quoted (especially on the Internet).
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: natty threads on April 24, 2008, 01:33:23 PM
Oh I know- I don't believe because of the archaeological importance of the find. The find is important because I believe.

Which demonstrates exactly what I said in my previous post.

;)

But if you don't believe the Exodus occurred, then who is David?
No-one. Just some bad-ass Jewish king.

Then who is Selassie?

I would like to gently point out that it was "proven" that the Iliad was pure fairy tale, that none of those people were supposed to have existed, and now it is accepted as fact and the only argument is WHEN the Trojan War occurred and which Mycenaean death-mask is really Agamemnon's.

If I were struggling with faith, I would consider the fact that the pagan Greeks were vindicated.

Bones wash up on various beaches. There's not a lot of coral up here, but I've found an occasional bone at the beach.

Bless up!
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Human on April 24, 2008, 02:26:38 PM
I understand the find re-assures your belief that it happened and that is great on a personal level no doubt, respect.

But if you don't believe the Exodus occurred, then who is David?
No-one. Just some bad-ass Jewish king............yeah..apparently he was as his story goes.

Then who is Selassie? a man with a title in my eyes. Titles mean nothing to I. I can only go on the character of a person and I never met Selassie only read about him, like what i read though mostly but not all.

I would like to gently point out that it was "proven" that the Iliad was pure fairy tale, that none of those people were supposed to have existed, and now it is accepted as fact and the only argument is WHEN the Trojan War occurred and which Mycenaean death-mask is really Agamemnon's. I believe it was "proven" for some not all, yes same can be said of certain stories in the bible. I would like to say i for one don't think the entire bible is false or fairy tale or anything like that, I understand it to be read in two ways, exoteric and esoteric that's all.

If I were struggling with faith, I would consider the fact that the pagan Greeks were vindicated.
I hope i didn't offend you are make it sound that you were in any way struggling sistren, I know you are strong in your faith and I dont question or try to call you out on that, respect to you and love.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: natty threads on April 24, 2008, 07:16:35 PM
Love to you too, Human.

No, I didn't think you were saying I was struggling.

If we all agree there's not much to discuss.

I read a few of Selassie's speeches to the UN/League of Nations.
Pretty amazing. Measured and reasoned in the face of chaos.

Bless up!
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on April 24, 2008, 07:36:58 PM
Then who is Selassie?

Davids greater son, But the pagans have their myths too, But wait.... Selassie is REAL! And we chat blood or faith again?
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: natty threads on April 24, 2008, 07:52:29 PM
Indeed!

I am just not getting how someone can be Rasta and not "believe in" Selassie and not know the bible is true.

I am not calling people "not Ras."
That certainly isn't my place.
I'm not Rasta.
I don't know what I believe about Selassie.

I DO believe he is of the lineage of David.

I thought belief that Selassie is divine is central to Rasta.
I am not ready to go there and may never be.

***shrugs***

Sometimes you, Elijah I, have me convinced.

If Melchizedek says he is, who am I to argue? ;)

Bless up.

Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: NegusNegustiality on April 25, 2008, 11:54:22 PM
Ises unto the Most Haile I,

Israelites a trod, want a king, Yeshua a forward, dem reject HIM.  Dem catch the vibes some 60+ years later, ie the first of the authorless godspells.  Yeshua dealt with Ini's individual rasponsibility to the Almighty.  Ini am just here to say the passing of information is like playing the game telephone, by the time a next vibe reach, the message sometimes misconstrued from the source.  Does that mean the Iriginal or Iniversal truth is wrong?  Of course not.
 Next old style, Israelites a trod new world style, same 400 years in sojourn waan see dem king, HIM crown.  This time around it nuh take nuh time fi di flame catch as independant Black pastors, theologians and Italists sighted the King of Kings as the bible states "with a vesture dipped in blood" ie Coronation.  The Emperor dealt with salvation on an independant level and on the statetical level, dealing with the nations of the Earth.

  Just as Christians felt and some still do feel their trod is better than that of a present day Jew, Rastafari is here to proclaim that Rastafari livity is the highest pon Iration, higher than any form of Christianity straight.  This is why we do not emmulate the Emperor in that regard because that would force Christians to practice Judaism and screw everything up! ;)  Ital livity is the most rootical of all livities known to man, no apology. Just as Muta say "Why do we need Leviticus, when we have Livity?"

"With faith, courage and a just cause, even in the 20th century David will still beat Goliath!"  King of Kings HIM Haile Selassie I Light of the World   
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on April 26, 2008, 12:54:27 AM
>>>> Just as Christians felt and some still do feel their trod is better than that of a present day Jew, Rastafari is here to proclaim that Rastafari livity is the highest pon Iration, higher than any form of Christianity straight. <<<<<<<


Is it not more correct to say "Any other form of Christianity"? Your already supposing that the term livity and religion are interchangeable, So is the I's livity higher than the king's who calls himself a Christian?


 >>>>>>This is why we do not emmulate the Emperor in that regard because that would force Christians to practice Judaism and screw everything up!<<<<<

I'm cant figure out what your trying to say here. I and I not emanated from a deity?;)
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: natty threads on April 26, 2008, 02:20:57 AM
Quote from: NegusNegustiality

Israelites a trod, want a king, Yeshua a forward, dem reject HIM.  Dem catch the vibes some 60+ years later, ie the first of the authorless godspells.

The Israelites HAD a king when Jesus was born.
Yeshuah was NOT sent as a king. He will return as a king, but He was sent as a Messiah.

It did not take sixty years for them to "catch the vibe."
They were persecuted immediately, they were hunted and punished immediately.
The "vibe" was "caught" before the Messiah was killed and it and He still have not died.

The "godspells" as you call them obviously are not authorless.
If they were, then that alone would be proof of their divinity, no?
Or at least that they were supernatural.

The gospels had authors.
Because the earliest manuscripts can be dated to about 100 CE does not mean that was as soon as they were composed.
It means that is the latest possible date of their composition.

The fact that ALL of the writings of the Jews were destroyed, ALL of their temple records, ALL of the recent, not-yet-proven prophets' speakings were destroyed  when Titus leveled Jerusalem prevents out-of-hand there being any official contemporary accounts of Jesus and His teachings.

I cannot just take Saturday off, circumcise my sons, spurn pork, call myself a Jew and be one.
I am trying to figure out what it is that makes Ras.

Apparently one CAN just grow dreads, avoid meat and strong drink, preach non-interference, deny Christ and be Ras'?

May it never be.

To not believe is one thing.
To preach denial another altogether.

I'm still not picking up what you're putting down.
I think there is just a level on which we are not actually understanding each other.

I know I have some block up.
I'm working on that log in my eye.


 
Quote from: NegusNegustiality

Just as Christians felt and some still do feel their trod is better than that of a present day Jew, Rastafari is here to proclaim that Rastafari livity is the highest pon Iration, higher than any form of Christianity straight. 


I'm not trying to pick nits, but there has never been a time when ALL Christians felt superior to Jews.
There have always been Nazarenes, which are rightly Jews, as Christians rightly are Jews, though you are right- many DO deny and many DO feel they are superior, much to their own detriment.

It is a serious fault to claim superiority for ones self, is it not?
Rasta is only the highest livity if it perfects what it encompasses- Judaism and Christianity- otherwise it is a different road altogether and Selassie is either a liar or a fool.

MAY IT NEVER BE.

Quote from: I ELIJAH I

Is it not more correct to say "Any other form of Christianity"?

That's my question too, Negus.
How is it Rasta if it isn't Christianity? If it isn't Selassie?

Without the Bible and without David and without Jesus and without Selassie what you have is some other New Age "earthy" life style when you are talking about "livity." I've lived in large groups of hippies before, and I've known small communities of Rastas, but the Rastas I knew were all Christian and the hippies I knew were not AND THAT WAS THE FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE.

Without the Bible and without Selassie it's "hippy."
Not that there's anything wrong with that, but hippy isn't Ras, is it?

Are you going to call every vegetarian who doesn't interfere with another's trod a Ras?
Is that all it takes?

Quote from: I ELIJAH I

Your already supposing that the term livity and religion are interchangeable, So is the I's livity higher than the king's who calls himself a Christian?


This is my question too.
Being a Christian is bad?
Being an Torah practicing Christian is worse?

Brother Negus, you are obviously intelligent, thoughtful, and concerned.
I am just not understanding what you are saying.

Bless up!




 
Posted on: April 26, 2008, 03:12:13 am
I SHOULD SAY THAT I am taking a constitutional homeopathic right now- today- that is supposed to help my inner angry core "shed"- so I could be angry. If I express that please know that I am not angry with my fellow posters as individuals. I do truly consider you brethren and sisters. I feel like my mind is parting like a beam of light splitting into colors and wrapping around something that it's going to encompass.

Here.

Bless up!
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Rasdave21 on May 03, 2008, 12:48:24 AM
why is it a question of whether or not the bible is true??? Of course its true. For the most part all of the stories in the bible old testament and new are REAL stories that actually happened. Its the fact of deciphering who those people really were in the bible and finding out what parts of the bible were manipulated by european dictators and the vatican. You can never figure it all out. All you can do is do your research and read every version of every scripture and compare stories. Bless up peeps
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: prophet777 on October 15, 2008, 07:46:58 PM
have not been here for a long time but, it nah mean the reasoning is over. Seen i man overstand it this way ...the Bible come from Eygptian scrolls, Igytian I story. All them stories in the bible are just "man changed" stories of the original Igyptian culture,traditons,etc.,.

All of the books of the "bible" are stolen Igyptian culture. Before you read them then you will go on believing what it is you believe in. These scriptures have been written long before man made a book called "Bible" even existed.  If you knew it you would not question I.

Even recorded history will tell you what Herodotus (one of "your" greatest historians)  saw when he entered Egypt - black people i.e, Africans ! Read his book if u do not believe I. Herodotus did not desribe any of the Igyptians to be anything other than BLACK ! What more proof you want ? This guy was there when it all went down and all him descriptions go back to the AFRICAN. These are just facts that most people can not take - why ? LOL....need is say it ? I am glad that even Herodotus was not "color blind."

Then to go on and talk about the Ithiopians to prove your point is somewhat hillarious because everyone knows that the Ithiopians are a people of mixed races (Arabs, Itlalians,..."white people"). Look at the original ones that are still there ! The ones that were not "touched" by colonialism. Yes....take a good look...What do you see ?

Now since you have these clues follow on and find out for yourselves who the real Jews ARE.

p7
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: jesus on October 15, 2008, 10:22:11 PM
Hello Everyone.

I would like to convert to the Rasta religion & wondered if anyone can put me in touch with a local group in my area. I am in London,UK.

Blessings

Jesus

Quote from: I ELIJAH I link=topic=4845. msg67127#msg67127 date=1199762927
Nice Post Habashani Well spoken and informative.

The two issue I will engage with you are this:

First-

In all humblestanding I would question this statement to the utmost.  When looking at the relation of Jewish people to accomplishment factoring population, the numbers speak for themselves.  Many distinguished people have been or are also hidden Jews, Jews who chose to hide their Jewishness to avoid oppression.  Also recent neurological testing has demonstrated the Ashkenazim to be significantly more intelligent than any other ethnic group.  Then factor in a constant worldwide downpression on top of all that.

Second is the implication that Jews seek to remove themselves from possible Jewish Involvement in the slave trade out of Guilty Conscience.  That Jews would want such information kept as quiet as possible to avoid further oppression I am sure of.  But from my overstanding as a Jew, Only the Whites and Blacks are to blame for slavery, Since Jews only participated in a secondary sense as a means of income.  If you pay me to take your slave across an ocean, but slavery is a sin, thats between you and JAH since you decided to slave this person, I'm just running a ship, and this goes for who ever sold that person into slavery as well.  A Jew transporting someones slave or building someone a ship does no wrong.  Don't blame the middle men.


Posted on: January 08, 2008, 01:27:26 am
I'm getting ready to watch your video, but I got to wonder how much of it is really an attempt to focus on the Jews out of anti-semitism, I and I certainly an easier target for any black agressive revenge for slavery than the white man.  lets see. . .
Posted on: January 08, 2008, 01:32:06 am
Just finished the video.  It basically suggests that the whole slave trade was the Jews fault, its really a slippery slope from what he's saying to. . . Jews are responsible for all the problems in the world(ala Mel Gibson). 

I'll make two points,

First is that there were no Jewish colonies, All colonies were the dominion of Christian Gentile crowns, so again this fact suggest to me that slavery is not the responsibility of Jews.  Jews were in exile at that point, basically hustling and playing both sides, not running the show.  I find the video exaggerates the authority Jews at that time had in terms of who's responsible for whats happening in the world.  I question whether a Jew could really even own land under a Christian crown.  Which begs the question, At what point does one relinquish their Judaism in terms of 'covert Jewish' involvement since it is suggested that converted Jews were huge players in the trade, and Whether it makes a difference in authenticity and ones existence as a Jew if one converts in fear of oppression or out of greed?

The second point which I think is highly exaggerated is that the curse of Ham is as responsible as the video portrays for slavery.  I think what people stood to gain from slavery and one line from the bible in terms of responsiblity are really incomparable.  Furthermore as the introduction reveals, to me at least, is that the curse of Ham in itself is more or less a gentile invention.  Given authority by gentilized rabbi's in hellenistic vanity.  I feel that an effort to portray Jews as hiding a huge consipiricy that would reveal them as being responsible for all the worlds ill's is a theme that runs through the movie.  And that the question of "jewish" as opposed to all other types of involvement in the slave trade in its self has anti-semetic motivations.  Put it on paper and the nations of Portugal, Spain, England, France, the US and all the Individual African Tribal merchants are rasponsible for slavery, Not the Jews.
Posted on: January 08, 2008, 03:08:25 am
Just a follow up.  I find a lack of recognition in the reality's of self preservation involved in the disproportionate numbers of Jews in the abolitionist movement than the amount he claims were involved in the slave trade.  In other words I'm sure that the Jews would have been at the front of abolitionist movements as they were for civil rights if their very life's had not depended on their silence, and even that is not really defensable.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on October 15, 2008, 10:26:18 PM
have not been here for a long time but, it nah mean the reasoning is over. Seen i man overstand it this way ...the Bible come from Eygptian scrolls, Igytian I story. All them stories in the bible are just "man changed" stories of the original Igyptian culture,traditons,etc.,.

All of the books of the "bible" are stolen Igyptian culture. Before you read them then you will go on believing what it is you believe in. These scriptures have been written long before man made a book called "Bible" even existed.  If you knew it you would not question I.

Even recorded history will tell you what Herodotus (one of "your" greatest historians)  saw when he entered Egypt - black people i.e, Africans ! Read his book if u do not believe I. Herodotus did not desribe any of the Igyptians to be anything other than BLACK ! What more proof you want ? This guy was there when it all went down and all him descriptions go back to the AFRICAN. These are just facts that most people can not take - why ? LOL....need is say it ? I am glad that even Herodotus was not "color blind."

Then to go on and talk about the Ithiopians to prove your point is somewhat hillarious because everyone knows that the Ithiopians are a people of mixed races (Arabs, Itlalians,..."white people"). Look at the original ones that are still there ! The ones that were not "touched" by colonialism. Yes....take a good look...What do you see ?

Now since you have these clues follow on and find out for yourselves who the real Jews ARE.

p7
Thats a pack of lies. Black Nationalist NEED for the Jews in Israel to be fake to justify their false historical perspective. That's why His Majesty spoke a Semitic language and had a house in Jerusalem. Fake Rasta's are really just a bunch of virulently anti-semetic oppressors incapable of honest discussion. Their the reason people come talking about "converting to rasta".
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: prophet777 on October 17, 2008, 08:42:24 PM
It is  funny to see this Rasta site controlled by people that do not even know Jah. Jah is not predujice. If Jah made everyone why are then the Jews so special  !?
So  JEWS are the only people Jah give "support" to !? They kill children and women - self defense ? What them defend ? A land that never ever belonged to them ? A land that "Hitlers workers" "Hitlers followers" gave to them   (indirectly - but he did !)? A land KKK gave to them !?

Who was in power when those rules were made ? Ask yourself that ! Who murdered all I and I people ? Who still control this world in a unrighteous way ? Animals a die, world a die but them tell you  that you can change it !! LOL. I an I am the one doing it !!!?=???
What should I and I change !!? Something they have created !!?
How blind can you all (you all that follow and believe this "devil") be !!!!!!

So now... I know you all would rather concentrate on the lies them talk about before you concentrate on being who you really are- before you pay attention about what I speak of. That is what they have taught you !  So keep on being the "modern slave" they have created. BUT, no matter what you say and do... know this !,......there is many of I and I that nah accept no DEVIL !!! BURNNN DEMMM !!!! ALLL OF DEMNMM! I and I are real RASTAMAN and only JAH can Judge I.

See many fools who mention JAH to get them own personal ting - me nah deal with that !
p7
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: I ELIJAH I on October 21, 2008, 08:57:40 PM
Anger like "bun them devils" is why confusion surrounding g-d's covenant remains.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: freedom fIghtah on July 06, 2011, 05:13:36 AM
hey brudda I ELIJAH I, w


hat do you think of the illegal occupation of palestinian land and zionism?

Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Nazarite I on July 06, 2011, 02:16:59 PM
Idren, this topic is over three years old. I Elijah I doesn't post here anymore.

Still though, I and I burn heaps of fire on the illegal state of Isreal and it's downpression of the Palestinian people. Burn their zion-ism that is just colonialism under a different name. No man can establish Zion on a foundation of broken bodies of downpressed people.

Blessed love.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: SuperSmile on December 14, 2011, 06:53:21 PM
As a youth willing to learn i was hoping to see on this thread named "The Real Jews" some real history on the background of the Real Jews Not a hate based argument, where is the love people! nothing can be accomplished without love
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on December 15, 2011, 07:11:43 PM
jews have been living in and around jerusalem for a very long time, so has palestinian people. in my eyes they both have a right to be there. they should learn to respect each other as neighbors and live in peace.

denial of holocaust is foolishness and only serve the wrong means. respect life, is the way of the most high.

Are yah trying to tell we Selassie nah deal wid CHRIST and di Ible????????
wah foolishness di I speak of?
How can the I try tell I all Jews are black?
Tell I WHY den, are Ithiopians milky coffee coloured?
they are not blue black like Kenyans or Sudanese
Can you proove to we that pale skinned Hebrew people didn't move into Itheopia and interbred with darker Africans to make the present day paler brown Ithiopians we have today...?????
I have an Ithiopian friend and she is coffee coloured with a hint of milk, explain that to I if Selassie I, His Glorious Majesty is pure African, why dis paler shade of black we see???????
You chant down we pales and try deny the euro influence THAT HIS MAJESTY embraced as a part of HIM, yet many of we know better.....
Hebrew people are black, brown all the way to pale-skinned
I and I RASTAFARI and LOVE YESUS CHRIST just as His Majesty Obviously does
so deal wid it
and I love Africans and Mother Africa too
yes you are Iriginals, but his Majesty is mixed, so too Bob Marley and a million more Ras
Not everything is about pure blackness
so all you blacker than black bredren, nuff raspect but have some consideration for the other combinations of Jah glorious colours and shades
Chant down pale skins and you are chanting down the truth of His Majesty
for remember His paler black and you will see, we are part of HIM too
Blessings ina Onelove style
Nyah I

this i think is one of the best posts in this thread and the way to escape racism.

bless
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: prophet777 on December 16, 2011, 12:43:48 AM
jews have been living in and around jerusalem for a very long time, so has palestinian people. in my eyes they both have a right to be there. they should learn to respect each other as neighbors and live in peace.

denial of holocaust is foolishness and only serve the wrong means. respect life, is the way of the most high.

this i think is one of the best posts in this thread and the way to escape racism.

bless


Denial of the slave trade (which killed many, many millions more than any man made holocaust) and the Jews involvement in it is indeed utter foolishness and only serves Babylons means. Denial of the fact that it was also Jews involved in/responsible for Jeezus murder (your bible says so) is another thing.....

Stop pointing fingers if you are not better......

Even Jeez. spoke out many times against the Jews sins - you are nothing special.....Not even in Gods eyes...Your bible says so...
What are you Jews really proud of ? Serious question....

Now I bet you gonna call this racist again..right ?
Everything that does not agree with your ways is racist..right ?

The guy/gyal up there in the post up there is calling I and I "coffee colored with a hint of milk" but, that is not racist - right ? It is even amusing for you - right ?
You even call it : "one of the best posts in this thread and the way to escape racism."

That is why you can "flow" with it - right ? You can overstand that speech/that way of talk - right ?

There is no racism in there for you - right ? But, you tend to see a lot of it in I and I who is actively against it...right ?

Nuff said my friend...
LOL.

We have a saying in AFRICA that goes like this : "Smell your won armpits before you try to smell someone else."

And, my friend, you are not correct by claiming that your people have been there for very long time - like the Palestinians (even they were not there that long - LOL ). That is the problem you will confront when you know nothing of history other than what you learn in school...


Now HIM may have talked about "Jews" and "Gods" people but, we have AFRICAN /ORIGINAL JEWS in AFRICA ! All Black - just to mention. Falasha. African. Have you heard about it ? Older than Israel....

P7
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on December 16, 2011, 01:48:57 AM
indeed there are a lot of issues bothering this world. one of them being the effects of slavery. don't think i'm denying it. in my eyes jews are not the main guilty ones even though they may have played their part. europeans were the ones first stealing the land in the west, then organizing the biggest slavery business in recent history as far as i know and further persecuting the jews, all in europe by europeans. (many europeans/people from the west helped to stop the madness though so it's not like they are all evil.) i don't have any hate as that only further more hate. to break the cycle selassie i have the only real solution that is LOVE.

i'm not arguing about the color of ethiopians, they have a big heart for sure.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Knowledge on January 15, 2012, 02:09:05 PM
Oskar

I don't know where you get your information or reasoning from, but I can assure you, they are in the main (well at least 99% of the time) completely nonsense and farcical. It's plain to see from your assertions that you know nothing about the things you write about.
Blind person at a Library or a Deaf person at a concert springs to mind. But by all means continue, as we love a chuckle every now and again.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on January 15, 2012, 02:21:53 PM
then show how it is nonsense and provide something more constructive.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Knowledge on January 22, 2012, 02:20:54 PM
I agree with the last piece of your reasoning,i.e. that Selassie I Perception does indeed inspire/aspire One Love, no issue with that.
But your information regarding Slavery is lets say misguided at the very least. Without going into any long reasoning, I will just enlighten you with some truth. To a conscious person, Slavery is a but just a symptom of the main thing that is the bothering the world. But sticking to the point you made, Slavery was very evident in the biblical times, I don't recall the Biblical Jesus saying much against it although Y'shua The African upon whom the biblical Jesus is based was extremely vocal in speaking out against Slavery. Indeed it's funny how you an ardent Bible quoter as declined to mention that all the biblical patriarchs like Abraham, David and Solomon et al, had slaves (incidentally, Selassie I, outlawed Slavery in Ethiopia). 

The truth is that Europeans, were not able to transport so many slaves without the very able assistance of the Jewish, The Arabs and the Black African Tribes that assisted them in the transportation of Africans.

I hope that this constructive enough for you.

Ps I have left my explanation fairly vague so that you can go and do your own research...
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on January 22, 2012, 03:31:01 PM
i'm sorry if i stated some dubious information. slavery is wrong. others may have been doing their part but europeans was the main organizing force behind slavery.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Knowledge on January 22, 2012, 05:32:40 PM
Temet Nosce
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on January 23, 2012, 02:57:02 AM
indeed it is a lifelong task.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Knowledge on January 23, 2012, 03:57:28 PM
Before you make your spurious assertions, you really should do some research and search for the truth (and right) rather than being just LAZY and spurting nonsense,and miss-truth.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on January 23, 2012, 08:22:06 PM
i would be thankful for education from those that know better. throwing accusations around don't do any good. i can't really see who would be in a position to judge who is a jew or not. it's a covenant between man and god. let it be.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Knowledge on February 05, 2012, 12:37:22 PM
In-spite of what I advised you; i.e. do some research and search for the truth (and right) rather than being just LAZY and spurting nonsense,and miss-truth.  Here you are keeping up the same nonsense.

As Bob Marley once sang, "if you knew your history, then you' know when I am coming from, then you wouldn't have to ask me..." Yet lo and behold, you come out with the nonsense below.
"i can't really see who would be in a position to judge who is a jew or not. it's a covenant between man and god. let it be."

You just don't get it do you?
Mind you, it has been said that it's those that are the most enslaved who truly believe that they are not. I think that the speaker definitely had you in mind.

WAKE UP ::)
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on February 05, 2012, 08:19:13 PM
being locked in chains is quite severe and i don't think belief makes any difference in that position. if the mind is enslaved it is really a matter of belief and about recognizing that you have been captured and taking action to bring liberation.

life carries certain necessities. being aware of this fact don't necessarily make it easy. it is something i accept.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Knowledge on May 20, 2012, 02:10:35 PM
The term 'Jew' refers to those from the Caucasian Land of Khazaria, who have formulated a religon based upon an idea, these jews trace their ancestry to Japeth via Ashkenaz and are referred to as Ashkenazi. Their culture is one that is very much based upon the system of money and the lending thereof, they are also skilled in the art of words and word-sound, they have a intimate knowledge of both those systems and are adept in the most effective way to men-i-pulate both of  them for thier benefit. They should not to be confused with the original, original African Man (Woman/Man) of Creation. The term Jew (F)-actually sprang into being with the advent of their literary writings and became enshrined into the common vocabulary in the 1600's, with the advent of the KJV.          In the mean time coin-ciding with spreading of the "word" by the "Deceptors", there was also a concerted and largely successful operation of eradication, of all knowledge that run contrary to their dog-ma, especially the destruction from common usage of the "Nubian/Kushite" African information along with Aboriginal, South American wisdom which formed the basis of the hidden and mystic revelation. This de-instruction was necessary, indeed vital on many levels, in order that they could push the 'current' system, which has man-y-infested into the Babylon which we know today.

The doctrine of one above the other, (divide to conquer) along with the Anthoromorphication of the Universal Awareness/I-AM and the personification of Deity as all been part of the plan. Brainwash Head-U-Cation to turn the masses into fools as being the order of the centuries, Hatred instead of Love. As they know full well, it all starts with an idea, an infection of the head (mind) as oppose to I and I, who forward with Ideals a function of the heart. Seen!!! 

     
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on May 20, 2012, 02:34:52 PM
i wonder how much of these operations were actually carried out by jews or by people seeking to blame the jews.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Knowledge on May 21, 2012, 08:13:38 AM
You really do have your head up your ass, don't you.
 
I just ah show de massive, how it go, the unspoken account, as opposed to his-story, which is readily accepted (in-docked-tri-nation) because most of the massive don't know any better. I am not aportioning blame, I prefer leave that to the Judge-of-man(t). If you want to reason about it, by all means do so.
The (f)actual events are their for all to see, if they open their eye (I) and look at what it is -for what it is.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on May 21, 2012, 02:42:20 PM
one really don't have to apportion any blame or give any sane reasoning when one can use expressions like 'you have your head up your ass', don't it? feel free to take that story elsewhere as it certainly is not rastafari telling it. the real jews is who haile selassie i claim to be a direct descendant of not some back a yard conspiracy theory.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Knowledge on May 22, 2012, 09:38:03 PM
one really don't have to apportion any blame or give any sane reasoning when one can use expressions like 'you have your head up your ass', don't it? feel free to take that story elsewhere as it certainly is not rastafari telling it. the real jews is who haile selassie i claim to be a direct descendant of not some back a yard conspiracy theory.

A weh you get that from? Selassie I never said he was descended from Jews, I see that you making a next set of blatantly untrue assumptions, as you said "it certainly not Rastafari telling it."

Yo, you shouldn't use "dubious information" to make untrue claims, we called that kinda ting 'LIES' over where I and I reside.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on May 23, 2012, 12:06:32 AM
in your humble opinion, king solomon was not a jew?
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Knowledge on May 23, 2012, 01:17:18 PM
A weh you get that from? Selassie I never said he was descended from Jews, I see that you making a next set of blatantly untrue assumptions, as you said "it certainly not Rastafari telling it."

Yo, you shouldn't use "dubious information" to make untrue claims, we called that kinda ting 'LIES' over where I and I reside. hat

I asked you a weh you get that from. re Selassie I and de claim that you make. and your answer is to ask me about Solomon!! I will answer that after you answer me a which part you get that from???
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on May 23, 2012, 06:42:40 PM
to be honest with you i am not too sure. i know i have read the kebra nagast about the union of solomon and queen (of ethiopia) makeda producing the offspring that is menelik i. menelik ii was the father of haile selassie i. they ought to have their family tree sorted though i don't have this exact document.

i have some vague memory of something mentioned about haile selassie i claiming to be a solomonic king at his coronation however this is, as you say, dubious information on my part as i have no quoted reference.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Knowledge on May 24, 2012, 08:11:05 AM
to be honest with you i am not too sure. i know i have read the kebra nagast about the union of solomon and queen (of ethiopia) makeda producing the offspring that is menelik i. menelik ii was the father of haile selassie i. they ought to have their family tree sorted though i don't have this exact document.

i have some vague memory of something mentioned about haile selassie i claiming to be a solomonic king at his coronation however this is, as you say, dubious information on my part as i have no quoted reference.

Yo!  where do you get the delusional idea that Menelik II  is Selassie I father from?                                                                                                                       
 That is a down right lie!! Like I keep telling you, Heartical Rasta don’t use lies and dubious information to tell the truth. Seen, For the benefit of the massive who may read this   Ras  Mäkonnen Wäldä-Mika'él Guddisa, also Makonnen Wolde Mikael Gudessa (May 8, 1852 – March 21, 1906) is his father
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on May 24, 2012, 02:03:19 PM
indeed, it seem i got it a bit mixed up. still ones can reason about it to get it straight. menelik ii was a precursor to haile selassie i on the throne of ethiopia. i think menelik ii was succeeded by lidj iyasu with a guardian as regent and later zawditu before haile selassie i became emperor.

menelik ii and haile sealssie i is related though through the same forefather.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Knowledge on May 26, 2012, 10:47:03 AM
When Garvey did make his prophecy "look to Africa when a black king is crowned, for the day of deliverance is at hand" I don't think he was referring to Menelik
A Black King infers a specific One. H.I.M!!
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on May 27, 2012, 07:35:13 AM
the prophecies regarding haile selassie i don't make menelik any less of a relative.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Knowledge on May 27, 2012, 09:40:01 AM
Every one have their own perspective still, it's the kind of world we  Live/'exist' in, one that is based upon perspective.
However, the thing is;that prior to Garvey's pronouncement, I personally didn't hear anyone a big up any of Selassie I's, ancestors in a specific sense, yes I hear many who hail Menelik II for the the battle of Adowa, but out of a unbroken lineage of over 3000 years, how many of them are actually revered in the same way as Selassie I?  I know the elder Ras from around Iman area will make mention of Menelik I -the first, in addition to the said Menelik, and some will mention Gudit, but in my experience I don't hear many still.

Further on, I feel that the specificity of Garvey's pronouncement is relevant insofar as the advent of Selassie I, has heralded a phase shift in thinking and awakened a new awareness in I and I still, so I and I can see the system for what it is. 
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on June 01, 2012, 12:40:21 AM
although this may be true, it is not on topic in the reasoning.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Knowledge on June 01, 2012, 06:48:33 AM
although this may be true, it is not on topic in the reasoning.


As I said it's the perspective that I was referring to, as you concede, I am telling lies, in a the reasoning all aspects of the truth need to to be aired, or else we have a "closed" society. Where some are in the know, and most aint. Which is the blue print for inequality.
Posted on: June 01, 2012, 07:47:04 AM
As I said it's the perspective that I was referring to, as you concede, I am Not telling lies, in a the reasoning all aspects of the truth need to to be aired, or else we have a "closed" society. Where some are in the know, and most aint. Which is the blue print for inequality.

Sorry this what I meant to write.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on June 01, 2012, 04:01:02 PM
well, it is true that haile selassie i have a father ras makonnen and a mother yashimabet. it is also true that there have been a lot of bad things told about jews as an excuse for persecution -- something ones should be aware of when listening to people claiming to tell the 'truth'.

a first sign of unbalanced reasoning is when people seek blame instead of pursuing constructive work on how to get along.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Knowledge on June 07, 2012, 10:12:52 AM
well, it is true that haile selassie i have a father ras makonnen and a mother yashimabet. it is also true that there have been a lot of bad things told about jews as an excuse for persecution -- something ones should be aware of when listening to people claiming to tell the 'truth'.

a first sign of unbalanced reasoning is when people seek blame instead of pursuing constructive work on how to get along.

There is a general misconception that the term Jew somehow means Chosen People (persons) of God. However this is a complete misnomer.   The term Jew refers to persons of a particular faith, this faith is Babylonian in origin and is a faith that encompasses many persons from different walks of life. However, the underlying objective of the faith is not what many people believe it to be.  Which is fair enough, my only objection with it, is the deception that it thrives upon.
Let me be clear here, in this respect, it is similar to the other institutionalised religions which are based upon it, and also thrive on the fact that the secrecy of their operation, (doctrine) shrouds the real purpose of their purpose, and the real purpose is only known by the chosen few, who have indoctrinated and manipulated the mis-conception from the very beginning.
 As the truth reveals they are the murderers and idolaters of old who continue their work of ages, via the greatest story ever told, bewitching the unwary with their god-spells (gospels). Man (m/f) need to wake up to truth.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on June 07, 2012, 01:34:06 PM
i am not sure that everyone would agree to your definition of what a jew is. neither does it sound probable that the actions the i blame the jews for would be anything specifically jewish.

the only reason the i mention this specific faith in this context is to blame them for any wrongs perceived. as i mentioned earlier, this casting of blame is a sure sign of the lack of will to try and get along.

relax and bring some positive works.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Knowledge on June 07, 2012, 04:59:26 PM
Again I have to correct a misassumption, I am not blaming, I am not a judge, I am just submitting the facts as I am aware of them still.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on June 07, 2012, 10:05:41 PM
a theory is not a fact in a straight forward manner other than that it is your opinion. the level of science here is minuscule.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Knowledge on June 08, 2012, 06:26:21 AM
Your response is noted, however, what I have written is not a lie either, Indeed I feel that the massive should check the facts/truth for themselves..
As the adage goes, the truth may be an offence, but it's not a sin...
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on June 08, 2012, 04:07:09 PM
it would be an offense if ones commit crimes and then blame the jews for it, even a sin as 'thou shalt not do any misdeed unto thy brethren(male or female as we are all brothers and sisters)'.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Knowledge on June 10, 2012, 09:17:59 AM
it would be an offense if ones commit crimes and then blame the jews for it, even a sin as 'thou shalt not do any misdeed unto thy brethren(male or female as we are all brothers and sisters)'.

Sorry you've lost me? the statement above doesn't make any sense - please elaborate. As this doesn't sound anything like "Rastafari Consciousness" to I n I.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on June 10, 2012, 02:51:09 PM
don't confuse rumors with truth. rastafari love righteousness.
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Knowledge on June 10, 2012, 04:13:54 PM
I am still confused by your coded response, I told you that ain't making sense with the comment below,
it would be an offense if ones commit crimes and then blame the jews for it, even a sin as 'thou shalt not do any misdeed unto thy brethren(male or female as we are all brothers and sisters)'.

Your resposne is reply with a line of no-sense.
don't confuse rumors with truth. rastafari love righteousness.
 
 
As I said, your utterance is not that of a Rasta. A weh you a deal wid? Step up from them low ites... >:(
Posted on: June 10, 2012, 05:12:10 PM
I am still confused by your coded response, I told you that ain't making sense with the comment below,
Your response is to reply with a line of no-sense. 
 
As I said, your utterance is not that of a Rasta. A weh you a deal wid? Step up from them low ites... >:(

You fraid of reasoning?
Title: Re: The Real JEWS
Post by: Oskar on June 11, 2012, 02:09:42 PM
there is nothing coded in it. it is a straight forward response to the utterance of the adage 'truth may be an offense, but not a sin'. if the truth is that there is a crime committed and the crime is a sin also, as i explained in that one sentence, then the truth is both an offense and a sin.

talking about it to set it straight however is not a sin, neither is it an offense.