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Title: How EXACTLY do we define babylon
Post by: rootsridge on March 25, 2008, 06:31:19 PM
Bless I

Iman been off the forum for a while becuase of things cropping up, iman now back with I family.


I was meditating and the thought come pon I head, what exactly is babylon

I am thinking, there is lots of good stuff that goes on in the world u no. Its not all Bleak and destruction seen.

SO how do YOU, and i mean YOU, define babylon Exactly


u seen me?

Jah Guide


Jesus Christ

Selassie I

JAH
Title: Re: How EXACTLY do we define babylon
Post by: natty threads on March 25, 2008, 07:02:25 PM
I view Babylon as the forces working against the worship of The One True God.

Babylon also is the central power of the NWO- that group I would call babylon incarnate whereas materialism and powerhunger might be forces of babylon...

That's just splitting hairs though.

I do believe that there is a vast, essentially socialist, conspiracy designed to bring the entire world under the subjugation of the "elite."
There's just too much evidence and too many coincidences to call it rantings of paranoid conspiracy theorists.

Paradoxically, though, violently fighting these forces lowers ourselves and makes us part of babylon.

In any case, you don't need a bus to get there. ;)

Bless up!
Title: Re: How EXACTLY do we define babylon
Post by: ke on March 25, 2008, 07:27:29 PM
Babylon is ANY oppressive force or any corrupt organization. seen
that's my definition
bless
ke
Title: Re: How EXACTLY do we define babylon
Post by: I ELIJAH I on March 25, 2008, 10:58:55 PM
This is a good question cause nuff ones think when Rasta say babylon We mean "society" or government/ modern life seen? But that cant work since I and I know that His Majesty run the world. In the broadest sense Babylon is false conception of mind. This goes from the bottom to the top. There is no "babylon" organization because babylon means the lack of organization. Even the leader of the rat race is still a rat. Babylon the whore that keeps the world Ifused. Babylon means ignorance.
Title: Re: How EXACTLY do we define babylon
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on March 26, 2008, 07:52:27 AM
Babylon=living in falsehood, false CONceptions that keep we from living the Ivine perfection that Jah intends for we
Zion = perfect love, righteous living, freedom, peace, fullfillment, being true to your Essential Self that is always and forIvamore a cherished part and child of the Ivine Fadda and Mudda, being HOME, in the imovable and irrefutable truth and knowledge of Who the I really IS
and the constant, paradoxical change and yet alwaysness of the Self
grounded in reality, I and I have no fear only love and elation for the reality I and I have co-created
 as it is I creation and beloved of I and I
so babylon is as I brudda Elijah states, ignorance of our true nature and therefore ignorant of the true nature of reality
trapped in matta we mistakenly think we are the flesh, bones, concepts, ego identity, wants and desires that we are taught to identify with
fear-based and vulnerable we are easily manipulated by perceived others who are also trapped in their own ignorance,fears and desires
In Zion we recognize and live our oneness with the Son/Spirit/Father/Ascended Ones/Higher civilizations etc and are constantly, sourced, guided by and provided for by our Jahful relationship that is beyond and above and takes precedence over body, mind, ego, time, circumstances, and liberates us Wholly, fully and completely.....
seen?
Title: Re: How EXACTLY do we define babylon
Post by: surfmon_I on March 26, 2008, 07:16:01 PM
Blessings,
  Exactly is a precise term.  When we think of Babylon, the first image is of a city/kingdom of those that do not follow or know Jah.  There is a King of Babylon that ruled/rules.
  In todays collective there are those that know Jah and those that know, but choose willingly the path of the selfish.  The wicked.  Who is to Judge, but Jah?. 
  What, Exactly, Babylon is, is a Place ones choose.  It is in knowing what Jah require, and then  willingly walking the path of  The Self. Desire. Selfishness in the Face of Jah.  It is a faceless city, but known by its inhumanity.  Where there is  only darkness and never day.  It is a place of no denying, for it is a place acessable to All.  Only ones who feel the Light and turn from darkness are the ones to whom Freedom is known. 
  This Freedom is the opposite of Babylon, for sometimes we must look to the opposite of something to truely see its outline.  If ones see a place of freedom, and those that strive for its exsistance, then naturally we have the opposite of such a thing.  That would be Babylon.
Title: Re: How EXACTLY do we define babylon
Post by: paco on March 27, 2008, 05:06:13 AM
babylon is the chains wrapped around our minds convincing us that it is the hand of god.
 
holy war-- thas babylon. babylon is a system that exploits mother earth and mines our spirits and call it progress. respect mother earth-- only for profit-- thas babylon.
 
babylon is a deathculture and religion is the bed we sleep on with ignorance pumped into us night and day.
 
babylon like this-- they build fences to separate us and then we walk around carrying the fence in our minds-- thas how they mine our spirits. we are they drones.
 
you see a beautiful mountain, babylon will blow it up if it has to for profit. someone come along and paint that same mountain on a canvas and babylon goes crazy over the talent and pure beauty of the painting, they pay millions of dollars for the drawing-- thas babylon
 
babylon is a vampire(empire) system someone once said.[juss how i see it]
 
Title: Re: How EXACTLY do we define babylon
Post by: rootsridge on March 27, 2008, 08:54:53 AM
Blessings all that posted.

Iman think of this because some Ras just generalize anything that is 'bad' as babylon.

There is some fantastic answers here, give thanks.


Iman see it as natty threads said, as a large 'conspiricy' A 'higher' government seeking and craveing control over everything, and this is very real. We look at the medical profession. All doctors wish to happen is for their patients to get better, but who is in control of the medical profession? Politiction? and whats after that?? They dont know god, so what they seeking??? all comes down to human greed. Babylon=greed power hungry

And MIND CONTROL! this is the thing we got to break free of the mental slavery of this. Becuase we are all dipping in it. We have to find our voice and REBEL. U see many Green, anti government protestors fighting for mother earth. This is a good thing, We as RAS men and womban, must rise up, Freedom fighters are here, revolutionaries are HERE!

Bless up

Selassie I!


roots
Title: Re: How EXACTLY do we define babylon
Post by: I ELIJAH I on March 27, 2008, 05:53:24 PM
Tell We who's Government not higher but the highest? Who have all Ithority? The rest dem ting just illusions and vanity. That whole "conspiracy" business is usually racist and paranoid. Even still if you cant prove anything why even open your mouth. Just hype fear mongers. Ifusion, dog eat dog, chaos. There is no order, organization, or power outside g-d. Rastafari rules all creation. Babylon just a puff of mist.
Title: Re: How EXACTLY do we define babylon
Post by: rootsridge on March 27, 2008, 06:00:27 PM
loving it elijah,

your words come from the heart of the fire



Bless i


Rastafari
Title: Re: How EXACTLY do we define babylon
Post by: natty threads on March 28, 2008, 03:07:55 AM
The Kingdom of Heaven is all around?

Pondering, Elijah and Rootsridge.

The reasoning holds virtue.

Bless up.
Title: Re: How EXACTLY do we define babylon
Post by: I ELIJAH I on March 28, 2008, 03:21:49 AM
The Kingdom of Heaven is all around?

For who? Rastafari yes. I and I conquer since before there was a problem.
Title: Re: How EXACTLY do we define babylon
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on March 29, 2008, 09:37:32 AM
What and who is it that I and I conquor?
I and I conquor I illusions,fears n ego trappings
I rule I internal now and forIva more
Ijah rule Iself
as soveign
seen?
Title: Re: How EXACTLY do we define babylon
Post by: surfmon_I on March 29, 2008, 12:25:19 PM
Blessings,
The Kingdom of Heaven is all around?

For who? Rastafari yes. I and I conquer since before there was a problem.

  Please ,could ones explain the flow of these thoughts?,  They way I man read this is; The kingdom of heaven is all around us.  Each of us, All of we.  There are , of course, those that do not see it.  But, Bredren Elijah's rasponce states Rastafari are the only ones.  what of people that do not culture to Rastafari?.  What of Hindu, Muslim, others?.
  Next," I and I conquer since before there was a problem",  Is this because of a true heart with Jah and oneness?, before Adam and Eve, or, what problem is Bredren speaking on?.

Natty, we do not need a bus to get there, ;D
  Many humble thanks~ 
Title: Re: How EXACTLY do we define babylon
Post by: I ELIJAH I on March 29, 2008, 08:15:26 PM

  >>>>> what of people that do not culture to Rastafari?.  What of Hindu, Muslim, others?.<<<<<

Rastafari Always did hold to a Ierarchy of teachment, thats why we say "Most High". One being "surrounded by the kingdom of heaven" depends pon dem realization. Who alone have grasp the fullness?

 >>>>>> Next," I and I conquer since before there was a problem",  Is this because of a true heart with Jah and oneness?, before Adam and Eve, or, what problem is Bredren speaking on?.<<<<<

Ah u know the little trouble, was dis sufferation everyday?  But who suffer? Know JAH and know yourself. Sufferation is illusion that I and I never bite. Before Adam, before Earth, We laugh at our own greatness.

 
Title: Re: How EXACTLY do we define babylon
Post by: natty threads on April 01, 2008, 03:10:09 AM
Surfmon, yes it is all around...we have but to look, seen?

But I still don't always feel it.
I still get scared when I look at the world.

But that is the brainwashing Babylon wants us to see.

Reasoning runs into obstacles every direction we can take it, but in the sense that we see what we believe, it is a matter of choice.

Choose to believe the brainwashing or choose to see Heaven.

Bless up and keep on blessing up.
Title: Re: How EXACTLY do we define babylon
Post by: I ELIJAH I on April 01, 2008, 03:34:32 AM
The Kingdom of Heaven is all around?

So this was less of a question, and more of a...?
Title: Re: How EXACTLY do we define babylon
Post by: surfmon_I on April 01, 2008, 03:52:58 AM
Seen Natty, " CHOOSE to see heaven " withIN  oneself and do all we can to fight for Goodness sake.  Always.  See Heaven within another, and aid oneanother, as Jah would want.
 
Bless~UP, Ivery Time !, Jah LIVE ~~~
Title: Re: How EXACTLY do we define babylon
Post by: ke on April 01, 2008, 07:20:30 PM
seen!
bless
ke
Title: Re: How EXACTLY do we define babylon
Post by: I ELIJAH I on April 02, 2008, 12:26:40 AM
Just cause one "choose to see heaven" doesn't mean that's what they looking at. U don know!
Title: Re: How EXACTLY do we define babylon
Post by: natty threads on April 05, 2008, 05:22:21 AM
I was asking if that was what you were saying, Elijah I.
I was hoping you would expound.

The Kingdom of Heaven is all around.
I believe it but I really don't know what it means.

I have to make it make sense somehow.

Or is it not "all around"?
Is it something else?

I KNOW you are right about seeing the good in things, not sucking into the garbage that churns through our daily lives.
That is EXACTLY what Jesus said.

BUT the other side still exists on some level, or there wouldn't be the need to vanquish it, seen?

I know a LOT of people who think they are listening to "good spirits" who are being led directly down a path of destruction.
I have been hounded by spirits and I didn't appreciate it one little bit.
Usually when people are "spiritual" it is this type of spirit that is bending their ear.

The end is near.
Don't you think people are fooled when they are seeking seduction and not truth?

Is it that hard to discern?


Bless up!
Title: Re: How EXACTLY do we define babylon
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on April 05, 2008, 08:08:32 AM
The Kingdom of heaven is Within
it is the reality of Gods perfection
Jahs perfect plan
ones can choose not to participate in Jahs perfection and their right to choose is Jahovia demonstating perfect love that allows ones to choose and learn from their own experience
The Love is still given
even the absorbing of ones back into the oneness of Jah fadda is perfect mercy and not annihilation
only the un-truth will disappear
leaving only truth
and the truth of Gods unconditional love for all His/Her children/creations
seeing the majesty and beauty of it all is part of seeing the reality of the Kingdom
do you worship the reality of love? or your own constructs/ideas/concepts?
careful, do not put anything before the creator, who is everywhere present, and therefore our judgements and limited perceptions are graven images
if we do this we are worshipping false gods and graven images
we rip ourselves off with this
ideas about reality are cool to explore but I and I don't get attached to them as truth
I know Jah will show I eva expanding levels of His truth
and His reality is beyond duality
and it is wayyyyyyy beyond words
can only be experienced
ones can feel it tho
seen?
I know the things I say can be confusing, and yes I do find reality confusing frequently....
still, I trust the love that I know rules I
it is unqualified
I know this only from experience
and this moves I to act and say what I say
that is all I know really
and I am no teacher, only wish to be a learner
Blessings

Title: Re: How EXACTLY do we define babylon
Post by: rootsridge on April 05, 2008, 06:49:41 PM
soz we gone abit off topic,


bless


light your life with his majesty



rastafari
Title: Re: How EXACTLY do we define babylon
Post by: yacoozah on April 05, 2008, 07:10:57 PM
I do believe that there is a vast, essentially socialist, conspiracy designed to bring the entire world under the subjugation of the "elite."
There's just too much evidence and too many coincidences to call it rantings of paranoid conspiracy theorists.

I've heard a number of "conspiracy theories", but this is new. Do you mind elaborating and/or providing some type of evidence to support this?

To me, Babylon is just anything that disrupts you from carrying out the will of God, whether it be systematic or not.
Title: Re: How EXACTLY do we define babylon
Post by: natty threads on April 05, 2008, 08:23:28 PM
It's not new. It's the same old conspiracy theory.

BREAD AND CIRCUSES.

Same old New World Order.

All peace is Pax Romana.

TANSTAAFL.

;)

Title: Re: How EXACTLY do we define babylon
Post by: I ELIJAH I on April 05, 2008, 08:56:02 PM
but 'where' art the 'kingdom of heaven' is surely a discussion on what is babylon
because in heaven there is no babylon we can analyze the difference
Title: Re: How EXACTLY do we define babylon
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on April 07, 2008, 12:03:12 PM
no not off topic
babylon can only flourish where lies, deceit and ego dwell
it is important not to worship false idols, even His
Majesty wouldn't want people to get stuck on him, be one with Him, still don't get stuck on Him
for the True God is all encompassing
worshipping form, or concepts is putting graven images before Jah
so it is a prime way for babylon to snare peoples minds
for surely it is all in the mind
matter is an illusion, a construction of mind
mind is reality
We reside in the mind of the true god
and none can equal the power of alignment with the Most High
so I wouldn't be worried about these false ones
for they are just here to teach us not to give our power to anyone outside of Self, still trust the Omni essence of Love and Goodness that is the true nature of the Most High
along with His Laws for governing creation that cannot be broken
if ones attempt to break His laws, they will be the ones to get burned
so don't fear the darkness, just turn on the light!!!!!!
OneLove and gratitude for life
Nyah

Posted on: April 06, 2008, 02:14:55 am
Now we have some tools thanks to youtube to fill us in on whats going on
in the false system of babylon
check dis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6BeQDkgETQ
some truth about the money system, a prime example of babylon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpbvRpqeoc0
this is just a start
Posted on: April 06, 2008, 05:36:24 am
another example of babylonic practises
let this brother enlighten us with his
confessions of an economic hitman
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=yTbdnNgqfs8
onelove
Nyah