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Title: IS GOD (YAHAWAH) RACIST, DID THE MESSIAH DIE FOR EVERY1???
Post by: Imanvex on April 07, 2008, 05:20:14 PM
All u wannabe jews prove to me from the scriptures that THE MOST HIGH LOVES EVERY1,
that the messiyah (Yahawashi) who the world ignorantly calls jesus christ, came to die for every1.
that all nations are welcome in the Kingdom, pls prove it to me, and i will prove from the bible that it isnt the case. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things,

only the real jews, black west indians, americans, all who are children of the slave trade will be saved
Title: Re: IS GOD (YAHAWAH) RACIST, DID THE MESSIAH DIE FOR EVERY1???
Post by: Human on April 07, 2008, 05:24:20 PM
The worship of the dead-letter in the Bible is but one more form of idolatry, nothing better. Perfect example of it's slow poison.
Title: Re: IS GOD (YAHAWAH) RACIST, DID THE MESSIAH DIE FOR EVERY1???
Post by: I ELIJAH I on April 07, 2008, 09:48:46 PM
As a Jew I know that the messiah did not die for everyone, Just the Jews. Because Israel is unto g-d like the Ethiopians doesn't take Jews chosen status away. It is a distinction among Africans themselves. But all humanity can be grafted into Israel and so be loved by g-d equally.
Posted on: April 07, 2008, 07:02:26 pm
So as we see, The covenant between JAH and man through whom Christ would come and save the world and bring G-ds kingdom does not indicate "black" people or all the "west indian slave decendants" etc as the Chosen of G-d but a small tribe of Afro-Asiatics. To whom all people, black and white look to for divine revelation. This whole "only the blacks will be saved" hype is some propaganda trying to take revenge for slavery.
Title: Re: IS GOD (YAHAWAH) RACIST, DID THE MESSIAH DIE FOR EVERY1???
Post by: natty threads on April 07, 2008, 11:40:34 PM
I disagree that the Bible is a dead letter, BUT I agree with Human that this is slow poison.

ALL are saved by Grace through Faith.

If the discussion doesn't add to Faith or make Grace more apparent, it is not needed.

What is the virtue in convincing people God does not love them?

My understanding, and I will not fight this scripture and verse, was that Jesus came for the lost sheep of Israel, which was the Israelites, not the Jews, who were not lost but were right there in Jerusalem and the surrounding area, but that He DIED for everyone.

"It is paid."

The apostles were admonished to preach to all nations.

"Let it all be as meat to you."

Bless up.
Title: Re: IS GOD (YAHAWAH) RACIST, DID THE MESSIAH DIE FOR EVERY1???
Post by: Human on April 08, 2008, 12:12:59 PM
The bible itself is not DEAD LETTER, it is how ones read it that makes it DEAD LETTER. When you take allegory to be the actual literal interpretation of something it is called Dead Letter, thats all. The entire bible is not allegory either, some history, culture, ritual, geological and other such things preside in the bible, just to clear that up.
Title: Re: IS GOD (YAHAWAH) RACIST, DID THE MESSIAH DIE FOR EVERY1???
Post by: Imanvex on April 08, 2008, 01:07:07 PM
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things,

elijah, u are not a jew, ur an imposter, the bible says proove all things, prove to us on here
that u are an actual bloodline descendat of the isaraelite and that we west inadians are not,
prove it that we are all the Most High children,
the bible says prove all things, u dont know the scriptures, if u do PROVE IT
Title: Re: IS GOD (YAHAWAH) RACIST, DID THE MESSIAH DIE FOR EVERY1???
Post by: I ELIJAH I on April 08, 2008, 05:12:07 PM
My understanding, and I will not fight this scripture and verse, was that Jesus came for the lost sheep of Israel, which was the Israelites, not the Jews, who were not lost but were right there in Jerusalem and the surrounding area, but that He DIED for everyone.

Thats true. I only said Jew because of this one ranting about wannabe Jews. But I think the term "Lost sheep of Israel " refers to something beyond geography. He died for everyone only in the sense that everyone is Israelite. As far as taking the bible literally. JAH can literally manifest microcosmic representations of allegory so there is no reason to sight any of the bible NOT as literal as well as allegorical.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things,

elijah, u are not a jew, ur an imposter, the bible says proove all things, prove to us on here
that u are an actual bloodline descendat of the isaraelite and that we west inadians are not,
prove it that we are all the Most High children,
the bible says prove all things, u dont know the scriptures, if u do PROVE IT


I do not need your recognition, and that you would think that I was even interested tells me what an egoistic, black privilege(copyright) little rat you are. Your accusations are meaningless to me because even your screen name tells me you are a vexed little boy chanting about yahawah. I don't expect you to prove anything either. My overstanding regarding g-d's children is that anyone with faith in christ is an israelite. I think that you trying to hold it over people and prove that someone is not g-ds child shows if anyone it is you who is not but are involved in racist vain glory revenge seeking propaganda for jealousy. What Iriginal Israelite you may have probably comes from white people you mixed with. LOLOL
Title: Re: IS GOD (YAHAWAH) RACIST, DID THE MESSIAH DIE FOR EVERY1???
Post by: Imanvex on April 08, 2008, 05:15:01 PM
elijah of course im angry and mad u stupid idiot
 Ecclesiastes 7:7 Surely oppression maketh a wise man mad; we are oprressed by ur system, and this
is why we are mad, y r u trying to talk patio for, ur a wannabe, where the hell in scripture does the most high says every1 is an israelite, yuh eedyat bwoy.
psalms 147 vs 19 He has revealed his word to Jacob, his laws and decrees to Israel.  20 He has done this for no other NATION; they do not know his laws. Praise the LORD.

SO IF EVERY1 IS HIS CHILDREN WHY DOES HE SAY THIS????

AMOS 3VS 1 Hear this word the LORD has spoken against you, O people of Israel—against the whole family I brought up out of Egypt:  2 "YOU ONLY have I known of all the families of the earth;

u dont know scripture, im proving to u everything from the bible, and u havent quoted 1 verse YET...
u have nothing to say, dont u know that ur people are the wicked that the bible is speaking  about
u children of satan,

Title: Re: IS GOD (YAHAWAH) RACIST, DID THE MESSIAH DIE FOR EVERY1???
Post by: I ELIJAH I on April 08, 2008, 05:39:22 PM
U dont know me so u cannot implicate me in any system that may be oppressing you, though your assumption tells me that it is YOUR oppressive system. Bun your vexation. My JAH overcome dat with a smile. You come against me for vanity. I dont know scripture but you overstanding the bible like the old testament is separate. Do you know KING SELASSIE SON? Do you know that HIS BLOOD INITE THE WORLD. I don't think you do vex boy. For surely My Lord Haile Selassie say not to call anyone a fool. I do not need to quote the bible to tell you that the covenant between G-d and Man began in UR with Abraham. Iriginal Isrealites truly are a small family that blackness doesnt include you in.
Title: Re: IS GOD (YAHAWAH) RACIST, DID THE MESSIAH DIE FOR EVERY1???
Post by: Imanvex on April 09, 2008, 01:01:16 PM
of course i know the both old and new, ur an idiot, when the bible says israel will be niot be able to be numberd like the sand of the sea, and like the millions of stars, but israel is a small family u say .lolol
show me dat in scrpture, as u know the linage goes by ur FARTHER, not woman, so sillassi is not
a descendant, as his linage has woman up in there, ur a eedyat man,
read zephaniah 3 vs 9, that goes for sillasi also.
Posted on: April 09, 2008, 12:00:18 pm
apologise, not 3vs 9 read zephaniah 2 vs 12, that 1 is for u idiats
about ethiopiah and sillassi
Title: Re: IS GOD (YAHAWAH) RACIST, DID THE MESSIAH DIE FOR EVERY1???
Post by: EmpressCarla on April 12, 2008, 04:34:11 AM
Blessings

Matthew 17:17-18a
17 Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.
18a And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him:


Some of y'all need to be rebuked too!

One Love Still
Posted on: April 11, 2008, 11:32:02 pm
Blessings


show me dat in scrpture, as u know the linage goes by ur FARTHER, not woman, so sillassi is not
a descendant, as his linage has woman up in there, ur a eedyat man,
read zephaniah 3 vs 9, that goes for sillasi also.
Posted on: April 09, 2008, 12:00:18 pm
apologise, not 3vs 9 read zephaniah 2 vs 12, that 1 is for u idiats
about ethiopiah and sillassi

So then, how does Jesus fit, since his Father is not Joseph but God?

One Love Stil
Title: Re: IS GOD (YAHAWAH) RACIST, DID THE MESSIAH DIE FOR EVERY1???
Post by: Joey Reborn on April 12, 2008, 06:41:46 PM
Seen Carla, great to come back and see you still reasoning with such right mind.

Just to add: if Israelite bloodline is descended solely from the father then any disruption of this would alter the identity of all future offspring, i.e. black woman has a child with a white man, even if that mixed race child has sex with a black person, their child will still be mixed and therefore not an Israelite. (if this is not the case, please correct us). If this is the case, then black activists like Malcolm X and anyone else who comes from the produce of slave-master rape must also be classed as 'Babylonian' and come under the judgment of God?

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Joey
Title: Re: IS GOD (YAHAWAH) RACIST, DID THE MESSIAH DIE FOR EVERY1???
Post by: I ELIJAH I on April 12, 2008, 07:47:08 PM
So then, how does Jesus fit, since his Father is not Joseph but God?

Because Jesus is the Father. HIM Istablish the bloodline in the first place. So Jesus is not "from" the root of David. Jesus IS the root of David.  One must overstand the backwards nature of prophetic fulfillment. You cant look linearly. But talking about "Black people" as Israelites is highly ignorant.
Title: Re: IS GOD (YAHAWAH) RACIST, DID THE MESSIAH DIE FOR EVERY1???
Post by: natty threads on April 12, 2008, 08:11:46 PM
Blessings

Matthew 17:17-18a
17 Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.
18a And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him:


Some of y'all need to be rebuked too!

One Love Still   

Hit hard with a Jesus stick. ;)

Bless up.
Title: Re: IS GOD (YAHAWAH) RACIST, DID THE MESSIAH DIE FOR EVERY1???
Post by: EmpressCarla on April 12, 2008, 11:43:14 PM
Blessings

Because Jesus is the Father.

People make Jesus out to be whomever and whatever they want. Is Jesus Love? Christians say so, but someone here said no to that. That Love (which is All Things) is only an action. What a limiting view of Love.

Is Jesus the Father? God the Father says different (Matthew 3:17, Matthew 17:5).

Jesus is One with the Father, as I am One with the Father (if I choose to be). But Jesus is NOT the Father.


HIM Istablish the bloodline in the first place.
Question: how can a male "Istablish" a BLOOD line when it is the woman's blood that nurtures and grows human life? It seems to me it is arbitrary to decide that any Jewish bloodline flows through the father as that is not scientifically accurate.

Don't get me wrong, I dont really care one way or another. Only want to point out that most of what people beLIEve is just that: a belief...like the one about Jews being God's Chosen.


But talking about "Black people" as Israelites is highly ignorant.
While I don't know much about (and thusly cannot agree with) black israelites, I must say it is about as ignorant as your assumption that you are one of God's chosen.

One Love Still
Title: Re: IS GOD (YAHAWAH) RACIST, DID THE MESSIAH DIE FOR EVERY1???
Post by: I ELIJAH I on April 13, 2008, 07:46:37 AM
People make Jesus out to be whomever and whatever they want.
 

That doesn't say anything about who He really is.

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Is Jesus the Father?
 

Yes.

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Jesus is One with the Father,

Like I said.
 

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as I am One with the Father
  Wrong.


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Question: how can a male "Istablish" a BLOOD line when it is the woman's blood that nurtures and grows human life?
 

Fundamentally Jesus Christ is both male and female.

Title: Re: IS GOD (YAHAWAH) RACIST, DID THE MESSIAH DIE FOR EVERY1???
Post by: TREE-NATTY on April 13, 2008, 05:55:03 PM
Did the Messiah die for everyone? NO

He didn't die on no cross or pole. He died in KEMET at 120 years old!


Gen. 6:3

3] And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

John19:38-39

[38] And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.
[39] And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound weight.


Him didn't die he was healed by his Secret KEMETIC Brotherhood, (aka Ausarian Brotherhood) Joseph & Nicodemus, who was watching all the events of his crucifixion. And waited for the right time to heal him and take him back to KEMET. If you know what Aloe is for you can understand you don't bring it to dead man, especially a 100 pounds of it. His disciples saw Him with the marks on his hands & feet but the marks were healed. When the bible speaks of Him ascending, He was going back to finish his learning in KEMET.


HRU-CHA
Posted on: April 13, 2008, 06:21:56 pm
more info. in these videos. Think what you want about this man speaking. But try to listen and learn cause no one has yet to refute his knowledge on the subjects he speaks about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbHeWSnScao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAWgzK4UuAE&feature=related

He speaks about the KEMET Brotherhood of Christ also the word Yahweh vs. Elohim


HRU-CHA
Title: Re: IS GOD (YAHAWAH) RACIST, DID THE MESSIAH DIE FOR EVERY1???
Post by: EmpressCarla on April 13, 2008, 09:37:19 PM
Blessings

Elijah, if you have nothing to add to this reasoning to edify or educate, then you really should learn to control yourself. Your one-liner's have gotten quote old and only prove to show your own reasoning limitations.

Next time I post scripture from the bible that you and others love so much, you should deal with them rather than simply ignoring them. That only goes to show that you don't really know what you're talking about cuz as I previously said, you can make Jesus out to be whoever you want (or whatever someone has taught you), yet the Bible (a reference/resource I use because of YOUR love and reverence for it) does not agree with you.

One Love Still
Title: Re: IS GOD (YAHAWAH) RACIST, DID THE MESSIAH DIE FOR EVERY1???
Post by: Emerge2008 on April 27, 2008, 02:52:28 AM
Here is the so called  white mans  true biblical fore father :

Genesis :Chapter 25 verse 21-25

Here is proof through Gods  word that Esau = Edom = Edomites = So called
white people's of today that they can not call upon God and they can not
repent :

The Book of Hebrews :Chapter 12 verse 16-17
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Now I want to talk about these so called Jews these imposter's ,You know the ones with the goofy looking hats and by the way they are Homo's  that is living in our (mother land = ISRAEL) today,These are the tribes of 
the (Khazars Empire) .  Just Google (Khazars Empire) .  =  Revelation : Chapter 3 verse 9 
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To all Israelites
If you and study guides just email me
Danovispoolerjr@yahoo. com
Title: Re: IS GOD (YAHAWAH) RACIST, DID THE MESSIAH DIE FOR EVERY1???
Post by: Human on April 27, 2008, 03:00:25 PM
Your 1 post was PROOF your an IDIOT, congrats.
Title: Re: IS GOD (YAHAWAH) RACIST, DID THE MESSIAH DIE FOR EVERY1???
Post by: Brudda B on April 28, 2008, 02:23:54 PM
Yes emerge

you seem to have gotten lost,this is rasta nicks not bigot.com!!!
Title: Re: IS GOD (YAHAWAH) RACIST, DID THE MESSIAH DIE FOR EVERY1???
Post by: Leon on April 28, 2008, 10:02:16 PM
who cares about naming? rasta? speak 4 urself!
Title: Re: IS GOD (YAHAWAH) RACIST, DID THE MESSIAH DIE FOR EVERY1???
Post by: Brudda B on April 28, 2008, 10:28:01 PM
Irie brother Leon,

Have I said something to offend you?

Bless
B
Title: Re: IS GOD (YAHAWAH) RACIST, DID THE MESSIAH DIE FOR EVERY1???
Post by: RastaDean on October 12, 2008, 11:59:58 PM
No, he is not a racist.  He died for all and loved all.  It is a common misinterpretation that Rastafari beliefs are racist as well.
Title: Re: IS GOD (YAHAWAH) RACIST, DID THE MESSIAH DIE FOR EVERY1???
Post by: kaaria on October 26, 2008, 08:23:06 PM
Quote from: Imanvex link=topic=5059. msg69832#msg69832 date=1207588814
only the real jews, black west indians, americans, all who are children of the slave trade will be saved

Go to Africa 11,500 years ago-Today and the saying is, "I am We"

Africans would disagree with you, at least the ones who i came across in my travels threw Sudan, Egypt, Rwanda, Cameroon, and South Africa.  Africans started science, and they know that our skin, build, and hair are all simply the products of our environment over time.  The Nubains knew this, The KMTains knew this, the Kush knew this.   I dont mean to bash your beliefs or anyones here, im simply telling you what i have learned threw my travels and readings.

If you are a rasta, i strongly suggest you read some speeches my Haile Selassie I.   If you are a Jew, then i strongly suggest you some day travel to Ethiopia, and speak with the Ethiopian Jews there.   You flag is Jamaica, so im assuming you live there, I suggest you start by going to an Ethiopian Ortho church, it is one of the oldest traditions of faith that there is on earth dating back to the time on solomon.  Speak with the people there, im sure you will find the right questions, and later, answers.   
Title: Re: IS GOD (YAHAWAH) RACIST, DID THE MESSIAH DIE FOR EVERY1???
Post by: Knowledge on March 02, 2009, 02:33:06 PM
I don't think that the First Source and Creator is racist!!

Racism stems from the systems adopted by men to hold humanity at large in bondage.
The bible is just a tool of the oppression! This book has been used as the basis to condone
the barbaric enslaving of Humankind, it has served as the justification of the material prison within which we are
bound, the system which produces the crab mentality!  As you will know, If you leave a bucketful of crabs in your backyard for an afternoon,
they will all be there when you come back, for as soon as one tries to break free the others pull it back!

Precisely the same thing which has happened with humanity from time began! A practice which we see all too well in action in many forums!
One should remember that the hypocrisy of the bible and the blindness that people have toward it, was not brought about by freedom of choice. Rather it has been instilled and indoctrinated into the consciousness by brutality and violent coercion!

The bible has grown at the same rate as the system in terms of how it has affected the lives of the whole of humanity! I mean look at the characters

Adam and Eve
The biblical story is just that a story loosely based upon older versions of a legend? The bible makes out that Eve was the villain of the piece,
when if you believe in that sort of thing, then based upon the 'real' story -It was indeed Adam who was at fault!
When according to the story; Cain slew Abel, again the biblical account has been distorted, as the feud between them was not about the offering.  Even the so called mark on Cain forehead is another fallacy that has been hyped up. Read the real meaning behind those stories! 

Noah
The Talmud was the beginning of the story of the curse of HAM. Again anyone with a bit of sense can check up on this racist myth and see where the origins began. However in terms of the bible. If it wasn't the done thing to drink then why was he drunk! Again if you look at this story with objectivity and common sense you can see it for what it is - Nonsense!!
 
Abraham
This is actually the start and the defining of the agenda. Even by the standard of the bible this man was not a heartical person. How can a man tell his wife to pose as his sister because he was afraid that men would kill him if they believed them to be man and wife - That is beneath contempt. Then later to take his son up a mountain because he heard a voice telling him that it was god's will - Isn't that a sign of mental instability? Anyone who does that, is not normal, they are mentally unstable. Nowadays they lock up looney/nutters (so that they can gain a huge amount of weight courtesy of medical drugs) for that kind of behaviour! Anybody who sees that as some affirmation to god is sadly mistaken!

Moses;
Moses got his teachings and special knowledge from Jethro the Ethiopian, doesn't that tell you something.  The so called Israelite having to run to the Ethiopian Mountains to get the knowledge! But again that is not within the biblical story!, Indeed the parting of the Red Sea and other such feats came from far older sources than the bible! The so called Levites, in reality sourced their writings from the Babylonians and Sumerians, who probably sourced their knowledge from a hidden source (or one which they obliterated from history). Moses's  Law wasn't passed to him from a mountain,by god!! That is complete nonsense! If anything, that is the story the authors used!  But coupled with torture and death, it's easy to see how such nonsense has become compelling over the centuries !  (As O' Brien said to Winston whilst torturing him on a wrack, How many fingers do you see! four or five)?  People will; under the right conditioning -which invariably consists of a mixture of brainwashing and brutality- believe anything you want them to!

But back to Moses, the Levites who incidentally wrote the books of Moses (Pentateuch) long after the time he was supposed to have been alive, did so under the guidance of the Babylonians, they further revised and redefined it in collusion with the Greeks Romans and finally the Christians and Muslims, in effect all the recognised religions.

 
David
I could go on about this individual but  the salient point I will make at this time is -Any man who sends a man deliberately into war (and by definition his death) for the sole purpose of impregnating that fallen man's wife is not a man of god !! How could he be! Indeed chck history and you will find that he did not even write the psalms for which he is supposedly famous!

Solomon,
Notwithstanding the fact that they could not find the so called temple, notwithstanding that this man turned away from his god as according to the bible. Notwithstanding that this man through trickery had his way with the Queen of Sheba, notwithstanding the fact that Menelik I was allowed to take the so called Ark from Solomon because of the wickedness within Solomon's kingdom at the time!  It might be worth asking your self if indeed this figure ever existed did he do the good that is attributed to him, For I know that he did not write the songs of Solomon which is attributed to him nor did any of them have a hand in the writing of Proverbs and Ecclesiastes the Preacher! If the truth be known!
But check it out and you will see!!! 

However, arguably the biggest Myth of all, is that the Messiah died for us all! What utter rubbish and superstitious nonsense. But that is the doctrine that fuels the system.

Unbelievable!!!