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Title: Anyone?
Post by: Humble_yet_strong on June 10, 2008, 11:40:32 PM
Greetings and Blessings

I man have been needing to ask the I's This;

Does AnyI know of person who has spoke with
Or has anyI spoke or corresponded with the Illuminati at any time? 
For any reason?

Love and Inity

JAHGuide and Itect Itiunally

RASTAFARI
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: surfmon_I on June 11, 2008, 01:55:00 AM
yes Bredren , Posted bout 2 months ago, check back to see posts.  Nothing of late though.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Humble_yet_strong on June 11, 2008, 12:19:33 PM
Greetings

Please can the I elaborate

I have searched illuminati and a few posts come up, but nothing specifically what I was looking for.

I am not looking for a referance but a direct answer to:

Has anyone spoke directly with the Illuminati?

Not have we reasoned about them.

Blessings
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: surfmon_I on June 11, 2008, 12:26:47 PM
AHH, Sorry Bredren, Thought the I was speaking of the member a few months back.  Came pon the site, and has not been back.
  I man overs what the I seek now, But do not think this organization will some out of the shadows here.
Blessings and Light Mi Bredren.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Humble_yet_strong on June 11, 2008, 12:38:18 PM
Greetings

Can the I tell, who is this member that is spoken of?  Was it an agent who tried to infiltrate Rasta Nicks?

I have spoken with the Illuminati, they have contacted me.

That is why I man asked

Blessed Rastafari
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: ke on June 11, 2008, 05:32:55 PM
sorry but what or who is Illuminati?
my bad i don't mean to interrupt
bless
ke
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: George on June 11, 2008, 06:42:38 PM
Peaace Idren

InI also interested as to what this "illuminati" is.

anyone shed some light?

I google search came up with some stuff about conspiricy theories

Bless up :)
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Humble_yet_strong on June 12, 2008, 06:46:16 PM
Greetings I & I

I man suggest that the Is who are curious about them do some proper research before asking who they are.

The information is within everyones reach, simply asking questions is good.  But when the answers lie within I & I, and the truth isnt hidden, it isnt productive to just explain and pass this knowledge on in the form of an opinion.

Opinions and truths must be formed within the Iself, not from others.

I man think as Ras it is a must to recognize and see the true conscious reality we are living in. 

Research and find out Idrens

This isnt a post to explain what and who dem are.

I man hope I & I can find the answers I & I are looking for, internally, before we seek externally for something.

Blessings and Love

JAH RASTAFARI
Posted on: June 12, 2008, 07:43:30 pm
Greetings

An afterthought to help I & I

The Illuminati are Rasta's worse enemy,

Them deal wid Satan

Read up

Bless
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 13, 2008, 12:51:17 AM
Who are you to say who "Rasta's worst enemy" is? Seeing as you wouldn't be Rasta to open communications about Our "worst enemy" by insinuating that I and I would be corresponding with them.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Molliebaz on June 13, 2008, 02:06:34 PM
Greetings
I have spoken with the Illuminati, they have contacted me.

That is why I man asked

Blessed Rastafari

Are you sure?   Put "Illuminati" in Google and you will see that the Illuminati consists of very powerful world leaders, political, commercial etc and some very old established families that are the powers behind thrones, governments etc.  Google will show links with the Iluminati and conspiracy theories.

I  very surprised if they took the time to contact you , and if they did, how did they introduce themselves ?
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Humble_yet_strong on June 14, 2008, 03:33:02 PM
Greetings and Blessings

Firstly Elijah,  I havent openly tried to communicate with them, they have communicated and corresponded with me for speaking out against them, and rascist organizations, this is because JAH tell I to.  (Not that I need to justify anything about I man trod and livity to you or anyone else except JAH JAH)

Truth and rights

The reason I ask this question, is because enemies are kept close.    Not that I am insinuating I & I would willfully be in contact with wickedness complacently and for no reason. 

Who am I to say who OUR worst enemy is, well I am me, I am I.  I am Rasta.  I say it because it is true, they are the cause of all suffering, and they are Rasta's enemy.  Wether you sight it or not isnt important not at least to I.  Through research I & I will see the truth, them behind war, slavery, rascism, and everything evil.

In fact Elijah, as I am here I will say this.  Most of the Is posts get overlooked because of the negativity and judgement the I feels he can project without consequence.  YOU are not JAH, and in I & I eyes are far from humbling and righteousness.  You fling fiyah at every oppurtunity and dont relate or show proper love and overstanding to your brothers and sisters.  You flingin all this fiyah not realising your the one getting burnt.  Judge not lest Ye be judged.  That is not I mans judgement but observation of months of your posts and the majority of negativite progression that comes from the I's reasoning.

If the I is to deny that the Illuminati are the enemy, then that just shows I man you are either void of knowledge on the subject, or you are serving an opposite Master to which you portray.

You will probably try to come back with something smart or witty in contradiction and contrast to what I say.  Just to oppose it.  I man will say now that if it is similar to the usual confrontationary response, dont expect I man to reply.  I am here for conscious spiritual development and upliftment, not to listen to a judgemental mans perception and religion.

Its a shame I & I feel this way about the I at the present, as there is alot the I can teach and learn if only the I would dash his ego and humble himself.  Get off the self-righteous high horse, and humbly sit with the rest of us. 

Instead of asking why I man feel this way, and reasoning pon it.  You challenge I.  "Who are you to say who Rastas worst enemy is"

You are critisizing me for my knowledge on this particular subject, which isnt just an opinion but reality.  Whereas your opinions are your truths which you force on every I else.

Anyway, Illuminati, read up then tell I man they arnt humanities worse enemy. 

It takes a weak heart to judge constantly, because they are dwelling in constant negativity. 


And MollieBaz


Yes I man am sure.

I dont need to google Illuminati and then find out about them.  In fact I say this with Love and Peace in I mans heart, but I am slightley offended that the I assumes I am unlearned and unknowing of what I speak.

I know who they are, who they consist of and from whence they came, and where they wish to go.  I also know how they plan to achieve what it is they desire.

Here is a link:    http://www.illuminati-news.com/shadow-gov.htm

Idrens the Is are probably surprised that dem have contacted I.  Not as surprised as I, I can assure the I's.  It may come as news to I & I that the Illuminati own myspace and bebo, but it is true.  Through these networks they have contacted I man, using mediators and administrators.

They didnt introduce themselves, anyone that knows how they work will agree.  They dont make themselves known, and if they do they leave every answer and response very open to interpretation so that no real proof can be gained that there is genuinity in the message.

They wouldnt risk exposure so stupidly.

They warned I man from activley opposing them on BNP sites, and other sites.  They told me to stop and advised me that it was best to do so. 

I asked them why it was of concern to them who opposed them, they responded with this:
"If someone was talking about how they wanted to kill you, it would be of concern to you, wouldnt it?  If someone was talking about ending us, it would be of concern to us."

They revealed themselves as the enlightened order.  Or as we know them them, the illuminati.

Theres is no if, I know its them.  Evil cannot hide behind a smile.  There actions and words and works reveal their hearts intentions.  The wickedness I felt from them was as much as the Love I feel from Idrens.  In equal measure.

They took the time to contact I because of the amount of responses that were coming back from I profile and comments/posts.  It seems many mirrored what I man was saying, and as a result there has been a slight impact.  This impact however slight, has been enough to get them worried about I man.  I do not hide I love fi JAH, or I heart as Rasta, so obviously this Peace and Love consciousness is of concern to dem agenda.  As I am not the only Rasta, or conscious person out there, and I & I will only expand.  As Bob said Rasta is the Future.  This they also know, and are concerned of.  Merley the political opposition isnt enough to warrent response and attention from dem, but that combined with the spritual is what worries them most.  They know JAHWorks and do anything to shake the instrument JAH is playing, to make him/her play another tune, or out of tune.


I man just wanted to share I experience, and see if any I has ever heard or experienced anything similar?  Just wanted to reason pon the whole thing.

Much Love and Blessings to ALL

I come and go in Peace

Selassie I JAH RASTAFARI

Celestial Powers Manifest.









Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 14, 2008, 06:14:20 PM
Yet you fall into "their" trap most of all. To speak against the enlightened order are if His Majesty HIMself isn't it's head. My post are overlooked because the people who do, weren't meant to read them. i.e Unu's.  People doing so, i.e Unu's, just reveal their own ignorance, the exposition of which, to those with eyes, masquerading as "Rasta", gives much cause to my postings in themselves, not to mention the fact that they were not written for or because of "you" to begin with and have purpose beyond your petty denouncements and childish feel-a-wayism's.
     Its actually you who perpetuates the Racism though by calling something you know not of Racist. All those websites "exposing the illuminati" are themselves white supremacist anti-semeitc propagandist's,  Something especially fond of calling its self "Rasta" to play on peoples sympathy's by superficially aligning with the movements of oppressed people. The I insinuated that Rasta would be corresponding with "Our enemy". Rasta knows that Rasta does not "correspond" with HIM worst enemy, He slews them. (though the former you yourself claim to be doing). Your Declarations of "the Illuminati" as "Rasta's worst enemy" show that Not only are you not Rasta, But that any such "Illuminati" are not Rasta's worst enemy but rather people such as yourself who try to concoct a racist enemy out of the very order His Majesty founded are. But you know nothing of the King, so how could you know the beneficence of a light giving (illumination) order and its Irthly governance?  Thanks for the lesson.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: George on June 14, 2008, 06:38:19 PM
They warned I man from activley opposing them on BNP sites, and other sites.  They told me to stop and advised me that it was best to do so.

bro humble yet strong, just wondering how were you activly opposing them, just curious is all

:)

peace and Bless up
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Humble_yet_strong on June 14, 2008, 07:24:30 PM
Greetings and Blessings I & I

Ok Iyah, well I come across the BNP site and posted something about: "It nah matter what skin yuh are or where yuh come from".  Dem so focused on Individuality and segregation, discrimination and hatred.  I man felt compelled to write something, shed some truth on the matter.  In my post I mentioned the NWO and how all leaders are leading them into a dictatorship and police state. 

This combined with the NWO blog I man wrote on my profile exposing some truths on the Illuminati was enough to get some minor attention and threats.  They tried to reason across goodness, and I man nah listen because I know dem spitting lies.  So they just warn me stay away and figet about dem.

In their warning they said they monitering I man and they come to beleive I been activley opposing them.  By speaking the truth, they see opposition as enemy.  Although I am not activley opposing them as such, just I was compelled to speak on something they didnt wish to be spoke about. But by being merley spiritual/conscious/ or non-conforming, I & I are opposing them.  To speak too loud, therefore contradicting and expressing/exposing what is/isnt told, they may see that as activley opposing them.

I have opened this post in order to see if any I has knowledge/experience of this sort of thing. 

Blessings

JAHGuide
Posted on: June 14, 2008, 08:07:50 pm
Oh and Elijah, thanks for proving who the I really serves.

Guidance
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 14, 2008, 07:34:04 PM
And thank you for proving the ignorance of to whom ever that's was even a question. Your the one who came "instructing" I and I about We "worst enemies". So let I tell you about Rasta "worst enemies". Rasta "worst enemies" are the deniers of JAH. Thank JAH that you are one of them, Since then how bad could it really be?
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Humble_yet_strong on June 14, 2008, 07:49:36 PM
Elijah brother

I didnt come instructing thanks.  I came asking about something and stating about something.  If the I wished to object and reason then you could have done so, instead you went about your usual attack, and negative projection.  Then back to the age old "your not Rasta".  Its pretty pathetic you have to do this, but I still have love and raspect for you as creation of JAH.  I really do wish the I could reason instead of what you always do.

I dont deny JAH how dare you say so, I am not Rasta enemy.  When did I ever deny The Father, Creation, or Selassie I, or anything divine?

If I was a denier, which I am not.  You shouldnt take pleasure in anothers confusion, "which man can save his brothers soul".  You should be thinking along these lines rather than condemning anyone and taking any satisfaction out of anothers judgement.  Yours will come also.

Blessings
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 14, 2008, 08:31:15 PM
You denied I Elijah I. I don't give thanks your my enemy but that your so insignificant. But even my daring is not so great as you calling me brother.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Daniel on June 14, 2008, 08:43:25 PM
I ELIJAH I clear something up for me so I don't cast fire with confusion, are you saying that the leaders of banks, corporate business and george bush are in the order of enlightenment which Jah is the head of?
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 14, 2008, 08:51:35 PM
I ELIJAH I clear something up for me so I don't cast fire with confusion, are you saying that the leaders of banks, corporate business and george bush are in the order of enlightenment which Jah is the head of?

Yes, In the sense that Barack Obama becoming Isident, would be an earthly manifestation of the larger order Jah Heads. 
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Daniel on June 14, 2008, 08:55:56 PM
please educate me on this further.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 14, 2008, 09:13:39 PM
It is true that His Majesty 'Denounced' the League of Nations, But He Iopperated with the UN. And seeing that His is the Highest Authority, the world system is redeemed to and on some level subservient with His kingdom. Now before Paul had said submit I and I to the Ithorities was an Exile move, Now Revelations put We on the Throne Globessence!
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Daniel on June 14, 2008, 09:47:39 PM
i see what your saying. i would argue that the UN has changed alot since that time, george bush even went against the UN for the purpose or war. and as far as 'united nation(s)' that idea only seems to suit money and not spirit, i disagree with you on the 'system' of today representing Jah (what i mean by that is the elitists of the world who control the money, land and whats shown on television) however you are not the first person to tell me Obama is here to shake shit up so maybe there is truth to that, only time will tell, i have come to the conclusion that i don not know enough about the Illuminati,Annunaki,builder-berg etc to base a solid opinion and to honest i dont think i ever will, some people say they are good some say they are bad,who represents what i do not know either, one thing i do know tho is that in this current stage of consciousness there is alot of confusion and division going on and i think now more then ever we need to keep our minds open for each other.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 14, 2008, 11:10:24 PM
i would argue that the UN has changed alot since that time,

I wouldn't argue with that, but remind that the foundation and Iciples for which the organization stands no matter how it may be currently operating were found true by the Lord.

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george bush even went against the UN for the purpose or war.

Well this seems to prove my point...

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and as far as 'united nation(s)' that idea only seems to suit money and not spirit,

That "Idea" that His Majesty was apart of? "Only to suit money and not spirit"? Your saying that is nothing but the anti-spirit, anti-christ sentiment you claim to oppose.

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however you are not the first person to tell me Obama is here to shake shit up so maybe there is truth to that,


Here we go. Here's the first words you try to put in my mouth. Firstly, I never said any such inflammatory things about "Obama". Next....
 
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i disagree with you on the 'system' of today representing Jah (what i mean by that is the elitists of the world who control the money, land and whats shown on television)

I said the "system represents Jah"? I know that World governments are a part of the operating of His kingdom. Jah is represented within them but his rulings are superior. What system are you recognizing though? Because corruptions aren't a part of any system, They are defined by chaos.
Your just looking at the devil and calling it the system, but sight the Kings works to build that very system into a true and glorious future.








 
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on June 15, 2008, 10:54:47 AM
I do't see the point in demonizing anyone and will acknowledge Jahs rightful rulership, however I think everyone has the right to make up their own mind based on as much information as possible.....so i'm posting this about some present day heads of worldly power, as they seem to think they rapresent the good (god) people of the world.this likkle bit of info seems to throw some doubt on that
how about we trust the integrity and intelligence of Jahs children and deepen compassion AND suspicion for whos ruling, after all, didn't satan try to tempt Yesus with worldly power because he himself is running such tings?
I cannot put I faith in ones who blatantly sacrifice others children for moneyand power, butI remain open to the possibiliy that i am wrong....
it is confusing, this patriarchal approach to I, for i am a wild child who only his majesty seems able to tame and I will not allow my mothering instincts to be tampered with by any who appear disraspectful of my right to nurture, nourish and heal, as a Lioness, protection of the innocent children is my agenda
One Love and guidance Sistah Nyah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1U-Z-8mvJY&feature=related
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Daniel on June 15, 2008, 11:08:52 AM
i never claim to oppose anything? i asked you is george bush apart of Jahs order,which you replied yes, and he went against the UN which YOUR claiming is His Majesty righteousness in spirit.  so your basically saying everything is Jahs order and i must see the good inside it? i think i already covered that towards my last post. your not stating anything clearly. what are you actually trying to say?
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Fanamos on June 15, 2008, 03:08:32 PM
Greetings in the name of The Most I.

Let me jus check I'm readin this right. Humble left BNP a message speaking against their racist views and then the Illuminati contacted him telling him to stop speaking out against the order. Elijah says that His Majesty founded the order? If Rasta are Illuminati then are Rasta  racist too??? Selassie a racist? Are you sure?

Blessings
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 15, 2008, 05:43:11 PM
The real question is if racist members of the BNP are truly from the Illuminati. The rest is just spiritually blind confusion trying to exalt its depravity and undeserving of further response.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Humble_yet_strong on June 15, 2008, 07:33:44 PM
Greetings

When did I say memebers of the BNP where members of the Illuminati?

The only spiritual blind confusion I & I see on this forum come from people such as yourselves who seek to only critisize and judge iverything that is posted, and Ivery I that posts them.

Elijah is not the spokesperson for Rasta as a movement.

And Elijah if its not deserving of another post, stop posting.  Your opinions, and posts are ignored and unwanted anyway. :)

Whose path do we walk Elijahs?

In my experience people who defend the Illuminati are either ignorant of them, and/or confused about them.  Or they serve them.

Many Blessings to all who have posted

OneLove and Prosperity

RASTAFARI

Iverything else I & I can figure out, jus
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 16, 2008, 01:10:14 AM
You tell me. I said it was a question.  And yes you are walking on my personal path. Accusing a group of people of being "indefensable" in the way you do and then not giving shit for evidence is some old racist harebrained "witch hunt" but nuff a that is played.
Posted on: June 15, 2008, 10:45:19 pm
I cannot put I faith in ones who blatantly sacrifice others children for moneyand power, butI remain open to the possibiliy that i am wrong....

Just to be clear I wasn't saying that we should have faith in "the system" but that to speak against the system is to speak against faith. And again I disagree with all of you who look at those on "top" of the system as more responsible than themselves so as to "point fingers" as it were, Only Jah Jah the Judge. This nah building, its weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Posted on: June 15, 2008, 11:05:24 pm
The only spiritual blind confusion I & I see on this forum come from people such as yourselves who seek to only critisize and judge iverything that is posted, and Ivery I that posts them.

Right, perhaps Illusory was a better word.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Oskar on June 16, 2008, 12:26:13 PM
to speak against the system is to speak against faith.

Not if those speaking against it has a different faith... If we all had respect for each others faith this world would be a peaceful place. It's sad that some people are bent on being on "top" using any and all means necessary to stay there.

I was watching the clip about John Trudell posted by paco in the other thread and I give thanks for that. It is true what he's saying - the biggest lie is that the western world is civilized.

If USA in particular would have any respect for peoples faith they would respect the native peoples who they stole "their" land from.

***

Why do you get stuck on the matter if members of BNP are members of the Illuminati? What I find offensive is that people are being pressured to not speak against racism.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 16, 2008, 02:52:34 PM
Not if those speaking against it has a different faith...

Yes Thank You exactly. I figured in the context it would be obvious that I was tallking about the "Rasta" faith, Which begs the question what faith to all these anti-systemites really hold while they dishonor our name?

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Why do you get stuck on the matter if members of BNP are members of the Illuminati?

I am not stuck on any matter duppy. The reason it relates to this topic is that Racist members of the BNP would likely not be considered to become Illuminati.

Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Oskar on June 17, 2008, 08:42:14 AM
Who is dishonoring what name? I wonder.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Human on June 17, 2008, 11:17:30 AM
 ;)
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: natty threads on June 17, 2008, 11:48:38 AM
Dear Humble, I am sorry that the Illuminati have contacted you and I am praying for your strength.
I have never, to my knowledge, been contacted by the Illuminati, but I have had some very strange and interesting experiences with what I now perceive to have been potential recruitings.

The whole "New Age Movement" is Illuminati inspired attempt to "empower" individuals and separate us from our Creator.
There are many ways that this has infiltrated Rastafari. In fact, many (I hope not Rastas) view Rasta as a branch of Freemasonry, that internationally infamous Illuminati farm team.

ALL you can do about it is pray, Humble.
Pray pray pray.

I am curious as to why you want to know if anyone is in contact with them. Are you supposed to be finding out more about this?
I would be SO afraid.

Elijah, just because God has put a ruler into place doesn't sanctify that leadership.

Was Alexander the Great sanctified?
He was put in place and aided by God, spoken of in prophesy, received prophesy directly from God, which he of course fulfilled, and all of this latter was documented by a disinterested third party source, mainly temple scribes and then Jewish historians have passed it on to us.

I know you hold that this is all God's Kingdom and we don't need to struggle or fight, but that has to be put in the context of being constantly under attack by an organization that perceives itself as the enemy of God.

Bless up,
Jennifer
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Human on June 17, 2008, 03:40:32 PM
Just 2 things to say about this.

1)  Selassie was very familiar with freemasonry and more than likely an apprentice himself, he was the most awarded man in his time and nearly all of his medals were masonic in origin and given to him by high masonic members, this is clearly visible in his photos and history books that say who he was friends with, many of them came to his coronation or welcomed him to there countries. Freemasonry was and is not all bad, there was a time in history when it was very educational and beneficial to humanity, since then it has become corrupt or a better term is hijacked by dubious orginizations fo self serving purposes but many members still do great works for people and orginizations.

2)  I respectfully dis-agree with you Natty in that all we can do is pray, we can educate ourselves and others about certain organizations which are run by those called the Illuminati and about the Illuminati themselves. The Illuminati or Enlightened ones as they are really called are members of generational bloodline families along with high ranking members of Masonic and luciferian lodges which have been in existence for hundreds of years and beyond. There are members of every nationality, color and faith, they hide behind such faiths such as muslim, christian, jewish and catholic and create there plans for domination at such places as bohemian grove, bilderburg, council of foreign relations and vatican. What humanity can do in my opinion is educate themselves on these people and orginizations, understand there speech through symbolism and open your eyes to there plans through movies, television shows and educational teachings, many times it's hard to see if art is imitating life or life imitating art when you see certain movies and television shows, this is there subtle and not so subtle way of telling you or someone else who is pirvy to the agenda what they are or are about to do. There is no need to be fearful or afraid to research or understand these people, when you understand there ways they become less of a threat and loose there power over you, so praying can be good for personal comfort but it wont stop there agenda anytime soon.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 17, 2008, 04:41:19 PM
Ignorant people who know nothing of substance regarding these subjects, Using Rasta space to wallow in their confusion, dishonor Rastafari's name. This is good because as many are called few are chosen, so having plenty of blinds to fall back on is helpful. I'm never at a want for idiocy and viciousness in my dealings with these people. I&I Give Thanks for the formidable cannon fodder.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Oskar on June 17, 2008, 08:12:43 PM
People really have a lot to learn.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 17, 2008, 08:24:23 PM
Nah, Just remember. People need to stop doing many things more than they need to do anything in particular. If thats what you call learning I agree, But its really who we already are so who is learning. We are just deconstructing the lies of babylon into itself,  And being Rastafari since before creation.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: surfmon_I on June 17, 2008, 08:30:07 PM
In any Light, I would love the I to Light up our minds with what the I knows Elijah.  There are views to be seen, it will take those that know to lead the way.  We look , sometimes all our lives for overstanding, but along the way there are those that I~luminate, and those that ILL~uminate.
  Each view adds to the overall better overstanding.  Therefore the light comes closer.  sometimes we get the light, sometimes we get burned.  Which shall it be Brethren?.
  Bruddah Human, Sistah Natty, Many Thanks for the views.
BlessUP
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 17, 2008, 08:53:36 PM
I know that the Devil is real, and manifests as the Hatred and Denial of G-d on earth.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: surfmon_I on June 17, 2008, 09:29:43 PM
I do not think among the Brethren and Sistren here at Nicks, that lies are what most are trying to spread.  I do NOT feel the Devil here, other that the temptation s/he tries to cause confusion and a wandering.  To persistently classify ones here as evil, pagan, devils,,, rather that see what we seek and guide, well, I wish we were shown more love and compassion.  Knowing all along that we may be led astray.  Those seeking to share views on whatever should be allowed to do so with freedom and trust in ones self ability to have JAH in our eyes to seek out the future path unto our own selves.  I do not view hatred or denial by ones here, just sharing views that are ever growing and can~necting.
 
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 17, 2008, 10:28:12 PM
It is the kind of lies that one does not know is a lie or even thinks it is true and is justified in exacting some type of consequence, In this case the attempted defamation of my name, Even that is a tiny itsy bittsy refelction of the whole Sufferation, Why Berhane Selassie used to say "little trouble"? Thats why Babylon fall in a day.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on June 18, 2008, 12:40:49 AM
Bless up loves,
hey what do ones tink of dat saying 'keep ones friends close and ones enemies closer'?
oh and btw Elijah, I know its da wrong thread but I just wanted to explain.....sorry for I smear on hiphop, we listen and see  referring within it, only thing I was referring to the particular style of hiphip that seems to be influenced by Babylon where fellow rapper and freestylers use the medium in an unconscious way to defame, denounce and threaten each other.......
really, if we wise up and learn, we find out that this so-called "Illuminati" are a tiny group of people who are actually "in the know' of their sinister agenda, the rest are simply 'sucked in', they are not aware of how they are being manipulated, they are simply gullible and blinded by their own desires, whether the desires are for fortune, prestige, sex,drugs or a combination of ......
yes they use all these things to entangle people in their web....so, I feel, living a life Ivoted to Jah and not sensual pleasures and status seeking will surely be like a powerful deterrent for their entaglement......
 still,I have a friend who is involved with the 'Golden Dawn' crew who, I think, are affiliated  so even being spiritually minded can be used by these soul vultures.....also, it seems Yesus was actually a Stonemason as he and his step-dad Joseph were house builders and not carpenters and in that time, in Galileee, houses were made out of stone.....so was/is His Majesty a Stone-Mason or a Freemason?
like I say, i'm not here to demonize, still I have seem the Demon duppies at play, and even felt them trying to take hold of I life and destroy it, so I know the threats are real.....
so I take the threat seriously and constantly reach out for Jah protection and guidance wid I soul and mind and heart and body......
one thing people need to be aware of is their implemented plan to poison  and starve huge populations so growing food and consciously detoxing are important things to focus on in this time....
onelove as always
Nyah I

Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Human on June 18, 2008, 12:46:05 AM
Ignorant people who know nothing of substance regarding these subjects, Using Rasta space to wallow in their confusion, dishonor Rastafari's name.

Feel free to prove me wrong on what i have said. Use real proof not your assumptions if you can. Just because you dislike me you simply have to say something without ever educating people any different, maybe you simply can't or maybe you feel you dont need to, either way it's very telling.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 18, 2008, 01:04:19 AM
My point was that you said nothing, not that you said something wrong. I'm glad you feel "told" by me tho. In truth talking about the Kings close associations seems an enemy tactic given the scent.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on June 18, 2008, 02:48:03 AM
sorry, I meant to say see RastafarI within in, Hip Hop that is
Raspect to all seekers of truth, and those that find, those that ask and those that live in the awareness of Ivine Grace
Oneness people
Jahlove is the truth at the back of all, one way or another, in Iyah sight
even death is an ally to life
and a lie makes truth even more powerful when it is inevitably revealed for those that seek it
mistakes are brilliant teachers
and the wild untamable spirit must be Raspecte for I and I, If I nah wanna get burned.....
Bun I in a purifying, transformative way, but please, do not seek to annihilate I soul or leave I out in the cold
for the light that animates I soul wishes to warm yah heart
and yes I thats a start
Love Nyah
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 18, 2008, 05:08:24 AM
The soul annihilation been done already. Some tings just a wipe from creation full out.
 Give thanks for JAH Fiyah!
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Oskar on June 18, 2008, 06:47:36 AM
There is nothing wrong with learning from reality. No use hiding from it. God know. God bless the honest ones and god bless the upright ones. In righteousness and truth the wicked will be conquered. The wicked don't know the time. When judgment come - it will come quickly. The heathen on their weak ass patchwork foundation will sink like if in quicksand. What a joy to know the truth.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 18, 2008, 02:47:36 PM
Indeed, Unless of course I said something like that, Then it would by fundamentalist Racist crazy talk. The point is that learning is much less important than unlearning. I appreciate the education on just how far fools will take the way they feel out on anything but themselves though. How what makes people uncomfortable is denounced even before it is understood. How even when something is clearly over the heads of people they will attack it as nonsense to protect their fools pride no matter the cost. How men, authority, and even religion itself have become taboo topics in a secular progressive babylon political/cultural climate. How Rastafari online communications has been sabotaged, and the order attacked by pagan enemies. How me in particular has been alienated from the whole Rastafari massive for ignorant fear and jealousy. How on some levels the whole world is in a war with the Rastaman. Hell is a nice place for duppies to burn. Yes these are good things to know. So go on and "overlook" that you sheeple non-rasta enemy commoners. Vengeance is JAH's.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Human on June 18, 2008, 03:38:26 PM
The topic is Illuminati, anyone been contacted or heard from them? me personally no.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 18, 2008, 04:04:17 PM
Yes that much is clear. The question is ridiculous because Rasta are the Illuminati. And that is what Rasta need to know. People who reject it are not Rasta's. Its mostly sheeple type people that feel-a-way, sometimes with also for Racist reasons, that need to concoct some Kabal of "evil people" manipulating the fate of human life because they can't accept JAH.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: surfmon_I on June 18, 2008, 07:07:15 PM
If Rastafari is I~lluminati, then rasta sine the light on truth.  If this truth shows people the way to JAH, we walk in the light.  If this fiyah bun, it is JAH will because we bow to no other Principal but righteousness and upful living through and with JAH Irit.. 
If the root of ilumintiati is to shed light, those that shed light, what light?, their light, none I~ther than JAH light. 
  It would be nice if we could expand on this topic further without getting personal and thinking superior.
I see  the possibility of two sides, One is that the Illuminati are protecting a secret truth.  or is it proof?.  A reality know of the better self we could all be?.
  The other is that they are trying to trick and destroy .  Causing Division and a onesidedness that is strictly for the few while the rest suffer.
  If it is the job to illuminte, then the timing of this is gradual or very pin point precise.  Certian events which influence our future.  Googeling them may only be one side of the coin.  In this world of struggles, getting worse quicker, which would serve to the demise or upliftment in the name of JAH?
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Human on June 18, 2008, 07:34:31 PM
Remember Light can blind you as well as Illuminate something. I believe the "Illuminati" as most know the term meaning a group orginizing events to destroy freedoms and rights with wars and other such ways preach a form of false "Light" if you will, many of there writings and such talk of brothers of light, the light versus the dark, light meaning good etc, etc, but the opposite is true behind closed doors, there light is meant to blind people, meant to hide in the bright light there evil works and agendas, this is why they venerate Lucifer the "Light Bearer". Are rastas enlightened, yes i would say many are, are they the "Illuminati" as many understand the term no i believe.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 18, 2008, 08:19:01 PM
Yes the light that could never be closed behind doors is the Rasta of the Illuminati. Did this I want to know "how many understand the term" or the truth?
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: surfmon_I on June 18, 2008, 08:48:43 PM
Mostly the term Brethren, as depicted in the way the message is presented to the public.  As shown the way Bruddah Human is referring to is , I think, like in the Davinci code.  Am loath to use the media as example, but is a good one to show the perversion of what the I mean, or so I overstand it thus far.  Thus an organization which is meant to preserve and illuminate, enlighten, is shown to be devious and scheming.
  A side note, this is not the organization which was/is known as the priory of Sion, with the branch of the knights of Christ, or is it?.  Many Thanks for the clearification.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 19, 2008, 04:11:32 AM
A true. So then notice how he does not come asking what is the hype,  Because the hype is found easily enough, He comes asking for Rastafari correspondence with them. Not for contact them, but to set up Rasta with his imaginary enemies.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Oskar on June 19, 2008, 08:46:02 AM
Rasta is under attack from everyone. I have not seen one thing from the Illuminati to indicate they are friend of rasta.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Humble_yet_strong on June 19, 2008, 11:56:12 AM
Elijah

You speak nonsense.

Of course I do not come asking about them, as I have done much research and study into them.  I know what is publicly known, and I also know what is hidden from public knowledge.  The truth lies not far from the reality of the situation NOW, I & I look around and the agendas and plans are coming into place, step by step they are gaining footholds within society, and steer the government powers to where they have total control.  Some say they gaurd and protect truths and secrets from mankind, others say for mankind.  Whatever the truth we can look at what they do to accomplish things, and we see money is the driving factor for all their ventures, as in that is the main agenda.  More money, more control, more authority, more power.

Now Elijah you can say Selassie was Illuminati, I & I know that is nonesense, he was part of the Masons.  Which we know are different or where different to the Illuminati, the Illuminati have infiltrated many areas and societies of today.  Its like a parasite the more they infect the more chance of continuation and success.  You can dress it up with confusion and say that we are illuminati and that so was Selassie I but that is just rubbish.  None of us are or wish to be, neither was Selassie a worshipper of Mammon/Lucifer. 

If Illuminati are freinds with Rasta I & I would like you to fully explain how you come to this conclusion without avoiding the answer.  You say many fancy things yet just like the Illuminati you say things without evidence or futher explanation.

I do not ask to set up correspondance with "imaginary" enemies.  If you read properly, and stopped for less than 10 seconds to listen to someone else instead of yourself you may have established that.

I asked if any have spoke with them for any reason.  I asked has anyone been contacted by them for any reason. Because they have contacted and threatened me.  This is the actions of a group allied with Rasta is it?  Threats and insults against myself for speaking out against comments on a bnp page? Comments such as: "Go home Muslims" & "Shoot dirty Afgans"???  It wasnt my anti rascist comments alone, but my obvious dislike for the NWO and my outspoken knowledge of the truth that got the attention and the threats.  So again this is Rasta freind and ally? You twist up what I said and say by my question I am asking to set up communications with them, and you insinuate that they are in fact imaginary.  You also insinuate that if they were real they are allies.

What kind of propaganda is this? 

Either your confused or your one of dem.

Oh Generation of Vipers, how can Ye, being Evil speak good things?  For out of the Abundance of the Heart the mouth Speaketh.

Know a tree by the fruit it bears.

JAHGuidance

Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: natty threads on June 19, 2008, 01:49:25 PM
Just 2 things to say about this.

1)  Selassie was very familiar with freemasonry and more than likely an apprentice himself, he was the most awarded man in his time and nearly all of his medals were masonic in origin and given to him by high masonic members, this is clearly visible in his photos and history books that say who he was friends with, many of them came to his coronation or welcomed him to there countries. Freemasonry was and is not all bad, there was a time in history when it was very educational and beneficial to humanity, since then it has become corrupt or a better term is hijacked by dubious orginizations fo self serving purposes but many members still do great works for people and orginizations.

I can work with this paradigm sometimes.
Effectively all of the founding fathers of the US were Freemasons.
I don't necessarily believe this speaks well for Freemasonry.
That Selassie was a Freemason doesn't sanctify it, in my opinion.


2)  I respectfully dis-agree with you Natty in that all we can do is pray, we can educate ourselves and others about certain organizations which are run by those called the Illuminati and about the Illuminati themselves. The Illuminati or Enlightened ones as they are really called are members of generational bloodline families along with high ranking members of Masonic and luciferian lodges which have been in existence for hundreds of years and beyond. There are members of every nationality, color and faith, they hide behind such faiths such as muslim, christian, jewish and catholic and create there plans for domination at such places as bohemian grove, bilderburg, council of foreign relations and vatican. What humanity can do in my opinion is educate themselves on these people and orginizations, understand there speech through symbolism and open your eyes to there plans through movies, television shows and educational teachings, many times it's hard to see if art is imitating life or life imitating art when you see certain movies and television shows, this is there subtle and not so subtle way of telling you or someone else who is pirvy to the agenda what they are or are about to do. There is no need to be fearful or afraid to research or understand these people, when you understand there ways they become less of a threat and loose there power over you, so praying can be good for personal comfort but it wont stop there agenda anytime soon.

I meant on a personal level.

Once one has been contacted by demonic or evil forces there's no help coming from anywhere but God.
Of course you have to be educated or you won't recognize the enemy.

Sorry for the misunderstandings, and if it comes up, I can suspend disagreement for the sake of reasoning.

Bless up!
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Human on June 19, 2008, 02:37:26 PM
That Selassie was a Freemason doesn't sanctify it, in my opinion.
Yes i agree Natty, hope it didn't come across like that.

I meant on a personal level.Of course you have to be educated or you won't recognize the enemy...absolutely.
Yes absolutely Natty, on a bigger level we can educate ourselves and a personal seek guidance from God.

Humble Yet Strong Elijah is wrong in that these people and organizations are imaginary, the history of there agendas and present dangers to mankind is real as can get. Until more people realize and understand this the process of positive change will be a slow one and maybe even too late in the near future. To say people have concocted an "Evil Kabal" because they cant accept Jah is ridicoulus to say the least, there are millions who accept God who have come to a very real conclusion as well, so what about them? the fact is there are members of certain "Evil" self serving organizations who sit in high powerful places of rule throughout the world implementing an agenda of world domination through war, credit,taxes,religiona dn other dubious ways. There network is like a spiderweb that is connected to such organizations as Knights of Malta, Masonry Lodges, Golden Dawn, United Nations, Vatican,Jesuit institutions, Colleges and many many more places such as movie industry, n.a.s.a., educational institutions and news agencys. There language is symbolism from the old religions and can be seen everywere from space shuttle and NASA names to movie industry logos and large corporate logos. They use ritualistic dates and times for such things as wars, assasinations, space flights, movie premiers, elections and other such things. These people and there organizations are huge, much bigger than most realize but hiding all this time in plain sight, nothing has changed since the days of old talked about in ancient books including the bible, the only thing that has changed is there covert instead of there overt actions of the past. Things to look into to find out about there ways are Bohemian Grove, Albert Pike letters to Mannzini, Knight of Malta connection to Blackwater security, etc, etc, check for yourselves. Is there a way to stop them, to eradicate there ways, yes i believe so, first is educating yourself about them and there ways and symbolism to recognize them, then a deep look into yourself to eradicate things within that they push for such as self serving interests instead of brotherly all human love and respect, no matter the religion or faith, the color, the financial status the credd etc, etc. By understanding them and there language along with there ways they become less and less of a threat.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 19, 2008, 03:36:45 PM
Hype is just distraction. It's harmful and hateful speculation by people trying to avoid their own responsibilities in the world. Its attempt to associate with Rasta in this light, is a malicious aggression on Rastafari for misunderstanding, jealousy, and racism.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Oskar on June 19, 2008, 04:04:39 PM
Yes, make sure to vent that.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 19, 2008, 04:44:33 PM
I almost don't need to, as well as you embody it, But I may from time to time. Just to keep the paths straight. Big Up U-self!
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: surfmon_I on June 19, 2008, 05:48:11 PM
Blessings All, 
  Am very impressed with the way things on this topic are going, but it would be greatly helpful If Bredren Elijah would elaborate his points.  not need to cast stones mate, just would like to hear the I's side and in a story type form with things we can look into.  How it is Rasta is Illuminati.  By definition, it would seem to bring/shed light, but has been shown in a negative sense with the effect of being sinister
  Bredren Humble and Human, Thanks for the posts that put the I's views in a manner for all to read and ponder, is not an easy thing to do.  Bredren Osker, expand on the I's views as well, am interested to hear more of what the I think.
 Big up to Sistah Natty as well.

Guidance
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 19, 2008, 06:11:47 PM
Maybe, But lets clear this first. The Illuminati has not been "shown" to be sinister and negative. People bring up mountains of indiscernible babylon sometimes making false accusations and sometimes designed in a propagandistic fashion just to cast irrational suspicion. The automatic and ignorant response to anyone pointing out the obvious HOLES in all this foundation-less hype is to accuse them of "serving the evil", Not clear evidence as to who, why, and how something is evil. The world is run by governments and systems, Some people can play on naiveté by casting this fact as if it were evidence of a conspiracy. But they come with no better solutions and they live and sometimes benefit and prosper under the same system. They cast the system as fundamentally evil  but as the KING HIMSELF has shown us, its through the system alone that positive change will come. What's of note here it that it is actually those "exposing the illuminati" who are the conspiratorial racists.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Human on June 19, 2008, 07:28:01 PM
There is not much clear evidence for most religions either but people believe it all happened, they have faith that these stories took place sometime and how they are written do they not, but clear evidence is very hard to come by, not saying none of it happened but im not looking for clear evidence all the time as well.

What you just said can easily be said about religion whether it be christian stories, muslim, buddhist, and jewish. There is no CLEAR evidence any more than what one can bring here about the "Evil" organizations. Yes people live and prosper under this system and some dont, the point is not the entire system is wrong but certainly certain aspects of it are. Hospitals are good for people, they save lives and are a part of the system, someone not getting dire medical attention at one because they are not on there medical insurance is wrong and inhumane. Positive change can come throughth the system as long as those running the system do so for the benefit of all not just those who are wealthy, who have good insurance, who can afford high morgage rates, who run big businesses, etc,etc. The best slave is one who doesn't know it.

The Illuminati has not been "shown" to be sinister and negative........yes it has, on here with page after page of info, no, is that what is needed? no there is plenty out there to see this. What is peoples definition of Evil? im sure theres different opinions as to what is considered Evil, mine is not some fairy tale devil with red horns and fiery breath, it is the black arts, the manipulation of energy for wrong purposes, this can be hypnotism/mind control, self service for power, greed, money, knowingly hurting fellow human beings and animals for pleasure or power, destruction of natural resources on purpose, etc, etc. These things that are done consciously with a full knowing of the harm and after affects. The creation of wars for power and land, genocide of people through ethnic cleansing, deadly vaccinations. These things are evil because they are below the divine mind capable of reasoning for a human and are less than human ways. This is my thoughts.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: surfmon_I on June 19, 2008, 07:35:25 PM
Bredren Elijah, I see what the I is saying and saw this in the posts past, that the I  puts forth the proposition that not Iverthing is what it seems.  That what some have come to expose as negative is also positive and sometimes visa~ versa.  It is the definiton and exposure of some such corruption which serves the will of Goodness.
  To cast irrational suspicion is one thing that would serve the purpose of evil.  Clouding what was set to be simple and clear.  But lets face it, not much in this life is clear until we find JAH and ultimately, we are our own vehicles that we do our own works in.  I do not feel that one person can cause a change or conquer evil.  The light must be shone pon a being which leads the way and thus speards this light.
 As an example, we have seen governments play on the will of the people all the while serving a different goal which is to fuel it's own engine of power, plowing over lofty goals that would benefit the many.  When we look into the Illuminati, we see power, and knowledge.  Wether these two things are used to uplift or cast down shall be seen.  I and I Knows Jah will save the Pure of Heart.  Mind and bodies clean and free.
  These ones of power, I man know nothing of, for I have no knowledge of power.  The only power I know and see is the willingness of so many to expose corruption and wickedness, not with a narrow definition, but an overwhelming broadstroke .  It is a combination which I feel is JAH, putting pieces of us together, to solve this puzzle .

None but our selves can free our minds.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 19, 2008, 08:31:11 PM
To speak against the Illuminati is to speak against "the whole system". And when someone like myself tells you this truth you call it non-sense. This is what is meant by secret society. Its not really secret because here I am telling you, Its "secret" because most people don't have the capacity to know it. People speaking against Religion  and incessantly promoting them untroditional and faithless ways to discredit the bible and religious people day after day on a Rasta board are practicing Evil black arts, and the people who tolerate it are just young evil apprentices. Duppies bound for hell! LOL Let all Rastafari, all Illuminists, all Ruler, Arise to crush out these orderless pagans into the dust where they belong.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Oskar on June 19, 2008, 11:27:22 PM
Love is the only solution. Do unto others as you want them do unto you. His Majesty never use religion to incite war. Your duppy evil philosophy is far too easy to spot, it has infested almost all of "the whole system", remember?
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 20, 2008, 12:01:48 AM
Very aware thank you. Just a few more base idiots to Bun away and JAH can reign free from filth.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Oskar on June 20, 2008, 08:48:39 AM
You must have confused the direction of that straight path. You're supposed to come out of babylon.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Humble_yet_strong on June 20, 2008, 11:54:01 AM
Greetings

What kind of backward confusion is that Elijah?

You beleive JAH has set up this system?  Selassie set up the Governments?

Your self righteous rants answer no real questions, they merley make wild statements which further cause confusion to anyone without knowledge.

Explain for once properly and clearly how Rasta are the Illuminati?

You do not make yourself clear at all, either because you cant, or your witholding your GREAT knowledge.

Either way you are the only one who thinks this way, or is expressing such views on this matter.  I suggest proper explanation and reasoning.

Blessings
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 20, 2008, 05:15:49 PM
What you think are the Illuminati are not the Illuminati, and What you think are the Illuminati does not even exist!
Like I said What system are you recognizing? Because I and I do not recognize Babylon as Power. Iditate on this statement.  The future is reality. And JAH did not come seat on the throne of David diplomatically to promote anarchy but to promote YES the system. Government, Hospital, Imocracy, University, Banks, and Works.  Maybe I could share more if you did not make my only way to relate with you, defending myself from your baseless accusations or being disrespected. These are not the ways of a Rasta people but the aliens who now come to try to steal Rasta name and attach it to their babylon "understandings".
Fiyah on the foolish pride and Shame to the disobedient youth.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: surfmon_I on June 20, 2008, 05:28:47 PM
Dear Bredren, please do not assume, again I man is against you.  Much raspect I and I have for you.  Illumainati, are a two edge sword.  I do NOT sight it as the evil as a whole.  the definition of the root word, such as religion has been perverted and is the tool of Babylon.
  The I would see that many here have much LOVE for the I, as do I, only if you would open your heart.  Jah is Almighty, and we each have a personal relationship with HIM.  It is truely hurtful the way your tounge split us up, many choose to distance themselves from the truth they seek.
  Aleways LOve to the I.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Humble_yet_strong on June 20, 2008, 06:50:58 PM
Greetings

Elijah can you elaborate upon what you mean by saying:

"Who I think are the Illuminati are not, and what I think they are do not exist"

Explain please.

I recognize that the system set out for I & I, is not what is currently being run.   The government HIS Majesty set out for and supported and was part of still exists, yet is being directed at the highest level towards the wrong objectives because of the lack of wisdom in authority at present.  The structure is still there, yet has been corrupted and mismanaged. 

You are right, I do also not recognize babylon as real power, because babylon is Satan.  Yet as I & I know of the deciever, he decieves.  So is it so hard to see that the corruption of man is due to his ego?  And Satan tempting that ego?  You feel George Bush is being guided by JAH in his plans for America?  I dont think so.

Babylon is not a power, thats why it hides and infiltrates and corrupts.  It has no power or leverage if revealed to the people, because the people will see it for what it truly is.  Hiding within this government is the only way for babylon to gain a foothold and alter any proceedures and plans that are in place.

I & I know that nothing is bad in the eyes of the Almighty for he created all.  That doesnt mean to say everything is "good" does it?

The system may have been established with good intentions but nowadays money is the driving factor, money, resources, power, control.  I observe the same systems worldwide, what good is coming from them?  Their scientists still deny God, and fruitlessly chase after dreams in space looking for answers to questions that arnt even relevant.  Wasting billions on projects for childish ambitions.  In the meantime children die of starvation, thirst, disease.  They should learn more about this World before adventuring off to the next, fix this Earth before landing on another.

The future is reality, but more importantly the reality is the present as time has no meaning in true reality.  So really the present is Reality, as its real-now.


JAH never came promoting anarchy, but you really follow that everything is (excuse the pun) Black & White?  This is a very colourful world with many shades between.  Jesus never came telling people to worship him, yet millions still do.  Just because Selassie supported the government doesnt make the current government Rastas ally and freind.  Given, some in politics may have decent genuine and honest agendas, they are the ones needing support man.  Not these professional liars and frontmen, who just smile and wave, and make promises.  JAH supported the system because it was a mark of progression into true civilisation and a time of proposed advancement and peace.  It was showing us in essence what our countries should be working towards, and what we have to do to Unite and excel as One Race and Earth.  That does not mean that, it is being done.  Like Christs crucification  its an example a message, a blueprint not to be taken literally, but to be interpreted and applied.  He died for our sins so we are told, yet christians still sin, even with the cross hanging pon their neck!!! So people still nah learn from that!  Anyway these ideas were to be implemented collectivley, and Iniversally.  Alas however infiltration has occured by unsavoury groups with obverse intent to the divine plan set out by HIS Majesty, yet because of the lack of spirituality and consciousness not enough have made the connection to compare the original idea with the current operating version.  Those that have cannot make a major difference to the collective, if they try they are stopped.  Hence what has happened to I man.


You could share more, and should have to begin with instead of approaching with this attitude.  If you had asked me why I feel they are Rasta's enemy, and explained what your thoughts were we could have progressed quicker.  Instead you preferred to take the high and mighty road, by denouncing me as Rasta and proceeding to insult me with words conjoured from negative thoughts dwelling within your heart and spirit.  I love you nevertheless brother and I dare to call you so.  As you disagreeing would in fact place you in the non Rasta category, please go ahead and label yourself as much as you like to others, by saying I am not your brother.

You never defended yourself from my accusations, merley went around them by avoidance.  The last post you made was the first that answered properly what it is you are saying, and why you feel this way.  It is the first time out of how many posts on this topic?  Explanation and reasoning, it pains me so much time has been wasted on this topic, not because I started it, but because its apparent this is the same proceedure on many other topics.  What progession we could have here if we all just dash ya ego and learn to love instead of judge and contrast with confrontation and aggression!!!


If I have not the ways of a Rasta and you are what a Rasta is then by all means.  I am NOT Rasta, nor would I wish to be.  The disraspect you feel is warrented, in fact you should feel ashamed at the way you approach most people on here. 

You are a hypocrite  aswell brother as most of the things you accuse me of, and call me by name, are in fact what you yourself are and do.  Cast out the beam from ya own eye before you point out mine bredren.

Keep burning yourself man, its not pleasant to watch but maybe you will learn.

Blessings and Guidance

OneLove

Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: natty threads on June 20, 2008, 07:50:19 PM
Isn't it an odd thing the many ways intensity manifests itself.

Bless up.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on June 21, 2008, 12:34:08 PM
Bless up Idren,
I agree with Elijahs sentiment about the system, and will elaborate by a definition of system and why it works.....if it is a system it must work, and work for all the people and it does, except where it doesn't, a system by definition works, so where their is chaos, war, hunger, violence, is, a breakdown of the system....the infrastructure is flawed tho, the elite that run tings, monetarily, are showing themselves to be enemies of "the system", the biosphere......we are warned about such powers in Jah book, so I fail to see how we can deny their existance.....anoda ting....His majesty spoke against colonialization, he spoke about empowering the people of Africa to run their own countries and resources, his is not a "boys club' that allows pedophiles and racists to run rampant like the bohemian grove crew...the illuminati, I do not know of, only rumours, but I am aware that "the satanic forces" are very much at play within the material structures that enforces "the dominant paradigm".....follow the stench of money and you will smell blood and hear children crying...and yet it is not the money that is evil, it is the love of power as apposed to the faith in the power of Love.....nothing new am I saying I know........
to me it is the over masculinity, too far into testosterone, really to survive....the people of this planet need to convert the armies to earth repairers and natural disaster saviour crews...we have already gone too far down this militaristic mentality.....try embrace the feminine, the wild feminine, in which nurturing and creativity take presedent
just a thought
Nyah
Posted on: June 21, 2008, 10:06:53 am
now I apologize for so many words.....but if we continue down this accusational path, really a war cry....
i and I will answer with the creative soul of Truth....
i wrote this some time ago after watching a doco about the Bush administrations role in the Iraq war
It seems apropriate to illustrate Ispective

When yah lying in I face
coz yah won't to be the first in the race
I won't be party to it
when yah say it's ok for dem to die
coz i want my piece of the pie
i won't be party to it
when ya covering up coz ya know ya done wrong
but its really that ya just can't be strong
I won't be party to it
when ya forget decency, morality and love
and ya neva give credence to On High Above
I won't be party to it
when ya give in to fear
coz ya neva listened to Dear Fadda, its clear
I won't be party to it
when ya position means so much more
than the lives of ten million or more
I won't be party to it
when ya profit from from humanities suffering
and when we ask ya for answers ya give mere blustering
I won't be party to it
when yah just can't fathom Fadda's plan for earth heaven
instead ya wanna live like 007
I won't be party to it

oh o
baby awake
I will finish it another time
byeeee
Nyah

Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: natty threads on June 21, 2008, 02:11:21 PM
"a system by definition works, so where their is chaos, war, hunger, violence, is, a breakdown of the system...."

Not if the system is designed to cause these things, which is the point I would make.

Welfare isn't to help people; it's not to give them a "leg up."
It is to make them dependent, manipulable, and slothful, (hence amoral).

Chaos, war, hunger, violence- they're all making somebody rich as well as keeping the "unwashed masses" occupied and on-edge.

Bless up!
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 21, 2008, 05:28:58 PM
I recognize that the system set out for I & I, is not what is currently being run. 

Then you do not Recognize His Majesty and are not Rasta. 
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Humble_yet_strong on June 21, 2008, 08:22:57 PM
If you say so. :)

Thanks for every I's contribution on this topic, has been some good points

Blessings and Guidance

Peace in the name of HIS Majesty

Most I Selassie I JAH
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 21, 2008, 08:35:53 PM
No it is not because I say so. It is because you say so.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Humble_yet_strong on June 21, 2008, 08:47:12 PM
Your opinion, not fact bredren.

You dont know me, and have spoke with me for a small amount of time.  In that time you have judged and insulted because of a difference in opinion.

Not once have I denied HIS Majesty, not once have I said I dont recognize HIM.  I never even said I was Rasta, just an assumption you made like usual.

" I am not Rasta" - Have you finished bredren?  Can we move on to peacably existing and allowing differences and interpretations?  I do hope so, because you are seriously bringing this forum down man.

Think about others not just yourself.

Inity not Seperation

JAHGuide
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 21, 2008, 08:53:57 PM
If you do not recognize how g-d runs the world then you do not recognize g-d.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Humble_yet_strong on June 21, 2008, 08:57:47 PM
Explain how you come to the conclusion I dont recognize God in the World and his powers manifesting in Iverything?

Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 21, 2008, 09:00:17 PM
I recognize that the system set out for I & I, is not what is currently being run. 
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Humble_yet_strong on June 21, 2008, 09:29:28 PM
That is your idea of an explanation?

The system IS set out, and WAS set out. But now it isnt running to the specifications and the internal driving force has changed.

Really, explain what it is you mean.  Because you cannot tell me the system at present is working to the best of man?  Even if JAH is in control of Iverthing good and bad and that is your point, then still the people are the problem not the system.  But the driving force running inside the system is corrupt, and its up to the people to recognize and move for change.

Yes the system is set out, yes it would work, and JAHWill everything will pan out as HIM say.   Babylon or not.

Please explain what you mean and how you come to these conclusions about my spirituality and person.

Blessings
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 21, 2008, 09:41:46 PM
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But the driving force running inside the system is corrupt,

Again there is no "force" but HIM Haile Selassie I. So what force could be running the system but He? Oh ye of little faith. Pretending to "speak against the system" is just your way of trying to avoid being called lazy because your accomplishments within it and thus anywhere are naught.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Daniel on June 21, 2008, 09:50:49 PM
Quote
So what force could be running the system but He?
the answer to that is satan
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 21, 2008, 09:53:37 PM
His Majesty slew satan but this is something that the gentile christians don't know yet. There may be a few chicken's with their heads cut off still running around but I and I got no time fe concern fa dem.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Daniel on June 21, 2008, 09:58:39 PM
yeh and theres even more bulls with no balls tryna impregnate peoples minds with crap
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 21, 2008, 10:00:31 PM
Some choose life, Some choose hell. I and I feel no way.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Humble_yet_strong on June 21, 2008, 10:04:19 PM
Elijah


How did Selassie I Slew Satan?


Are you saying there is no evil in the world?

Bless
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 21, 2008, 10:24:06 PM
You claim to be an Israelite and know not of these things?  "The world" one lives in is only a reflection of their realization and identity. So naturally there would be no evil in g-ds "world". Which is the only one I and I recognize at all.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Humble_yet_strong on June 21, 2008, 10:37:02 PM
As I stated very recently, I never claim to be anything except myself.  So you accusing me of "claiming" to be an Israelite is a load of nonesense-yet again.

"The world" one lives in is only a refection of their realization and identity"

This in many ways is true, the world is what you make it

"So naturally there would be no evil in g-ds "world"

There is no evil or bad to JAH.  He is omnipotent, Iverything.  He is the Lion that eats the Antelope, he is the Antelope being eaten by the Lion.  Is this evil?  No.

Iverything has an opposite, look at creation.  So if there is JAH which is light and Good, then satan by despising his Father would be Iverything his Father isnt.

JAH being of light positivity, gives every I choice, even Satan.  Even if that choice is to corrupt and oppose.

Evil is not bad in the sight of the Most I, for the concept of Good and Evil he is above.  Good is created, so there must be bad to have a difference and an opposite in comparison.  This way there are different spectrums and variations in everything.

Its like pleasure and pain, one is there to apprecilove the other.

So again I ask

How did Selassie I slew satan? 
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: surfmon_I on June 21, 2008, 10:41:08 PM
  "The world" one lives in is only a reflection of their realization and identity.
BIG UP fi dat Bredren.  It is only when we view the teacher for the lessons taught , and not play cat and mouse with personalities and words that we see the truth.   I and I know it is not our persons and pride that rule but the teachings of HIS Majesty.
  sometimes the reflection that we see is not the beautiful one we have prepared for our selves in the mind.  the ugly truth of ourselves is that we are what we fight against.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 21, 2008, 11:25:04 PM
How did Selassie I slew satan? 

I could not venture instruction to He whom the blow was dealt.   
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Humble_yet_strong on June 21, 2008, 11:30:56 PM
So your saying I am satan lol

Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 22, 2008, 12:05:30 AM
I find it funny as well.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: surfmon_I on June 22, 2008, 12:44:28 AM
I man DO NOT find it Funny at ALL.  this has to stop. 
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: Humble_yet_strong on June 22, 2008, 12:51:52 AM
Yes I

Bredda Surfmon is right

I & I haffi agree to disagree Elijah and leave it at that, these cycles of negative posting are nothing but souring this blessed forum.

Let I & I continue to exist as best in harmoney and peace, without disrupting and diminishing the good works and reasonings taking place here.

Nuff Love Elijah and to all I & I

JAHGuide
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 22, 2008, 01:20:32 AM
It will never stop, As I and I will never agree to disagree. The ignorance must be wiped from creation, yet it must also born again for the glory of JAH in conquerance. If your feeling a way I would suggest coming to JAH's side instead of playing for babylon or riding the fence.
Some Imility....I and I give thanks and praise and feel Illah that things have worked out this way for me at Nicks. I came to share love and JAH and was belittled and ridiculded for ones ingrained anti-semetism, false pride, and ignorance. In the process a great demonstration of just what it means to be a wanna be rastafari has been given, plus the whole wigga-nevoe false black people thing as well. Rastafari hates that world, and laughs at its destruction. As absoutley annoying as it all is, its quite flattering as well. I've been meaning to find an exit to this place for years but every time someones slander draws me back in because without me to pick on unu's have no life.  Give Thanks and Ises to the King Of Israel, Jesus Christ in His Kingly charchter, The Lion of Judah, HIM Haile Selassie The First. May Rastafari's Plan rise and fufill and may the false pretender nation movement go to hell where it belongs.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on June 23, 2008, 04:10:52 AM
hmmmmm lotta heat here
I did actually post a post and it obviously didn't make it thanking my brudda Elijah for the sometimes bitter medicine that still enriches me in many ways.....alot of deep ideology here  that will take time to digest, as it is very heavy...however I thought I would continue I party to it poem...that I started earlier, as it lightens up at the end...and I and I like to leave tings on an up note, especially when i own life feels hard-going, like today,
I think its about ourselves tho, so keep in mind, I am aware that everything I sight on the external is something I am dealing with on the internal....Rasta for me...is still about unity and love, mercy and Grace......although the separating the chaff from wheat an unavoidable task, and boundaries do need  establishing and maintaining
Much raspect brudda Humble, it is a brave stance the I takes and Honest too, I can't say i would feel too comfortable being contacted by ones who carry such dubious weight......still, Jah is mightier!!!! as we all know...
hope this rant is useful for someone..........

When ya could protect innocent lives
instead you'de rather listen to their cries
i won't be party to it
when ya seek to exalt yahself
but ya put peace so far up on the shelf
that no one can get it down
and we all walk around with a frown
I won't be party to it
when ya live like money and prestige rule
but really ya just acting like a fool
i won't be party to it
when ya poison this beautiful life
and perpetuate strife
I won't be party to it
when ya just won't set we free
with some Truth and liberty
I won't be party to it
BUT.......If yah find the strength inside
to re-instate ya God-given pride
and do whats honerable and true
then I and I really commend you
and I will be party to it
and if yah decide to let compassion have the day
and let feelings of joy and unity be your pay
I will be party to it
and if like me ya care about the poor
and wanna enter the righteous door
I will be party to it
when yah take the time to align with the Ivine
I will be party to it
and if ya wanna see us all grow and sow seeds of hope and visions of scope
I will be party to it
and if ya continue on yah quest, just to do your very best
I will be party to it
and if yah wanna come dance with we
and dive into this sea
of pure undiluted reality
its not colour, creed or individuality
its just Ivine Majesty
justice, truth and beauty
EQ and feeling free
humanity without poverty-spiritually
strength of love to create harmony
I will be party to it

so there ya have it
I and I invite yah in but I and I have boundaries
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on June 25, 2008, 12:06:26 AM
Those scapegoated, Become superior.
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on June 28, 2008, 07:14:50 AM
So it comes back to the stone dat de builder refuse......

and I and I have no life nor want no life but for the crumbs....
see no wrong but I own tarnished mirror
know His Kingdom IS perfect, just need to polish I self to reflect dat
remove i own log.......
I love your Inified Self to the fullness
Praise Jah
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: natty threads on June 28, 2008, 04:11:03 PM
I'm full on the crumbs.
I still cannot move mountains, so I don't have even a mustard-seed of faith, but what tiny micron of faith I do have is making me strong.

Bless up, Sister.

I hear you loud and clear.

Jennifer
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I ELIJAH I on October 22, 2008, 12:50:49 AM
Of course people who do not fully overstand how Rastafari is the Messiah will not see his governance in the world. Those of I who do, know that the way the world has and will continue to run since His coronation is a manifestation of the kingdom of g-d, including intergovernmental societies such as the Illuminati.

Also to hail Rastafari as the almighty is to claim to be Israelite. I did not say His Majesty was the Illuminati, I said that he founded the Illuminati. Much in the way that His Majesty can't be considered as "belonging" to the Christian Church because he is the Christ HIMself.
Posted on: July 08, 2008, 04:43:22 pm
From Wiki;
In more rare cases, the Illuminati might refer to a gnostic elite who do not cooperate completely with the Bavarian Illuminati's agenda of world domination, but like those who do, they focus upon the belief that they are uniquely empowered by their pseudo-Buddhist-like enlightenment, similar to the intelligentsia classes of today are empowered by their education and intelligence. These are people who consider themselves to have become illuminated and have achieved a far greater mystical understanding of the universe than the vast majority of the ignorant masses of the world. Many secret societies and mystical traditions are concerned with the attainment of this kind of illumination or enlightenment via occult practices (also known as the Left Hand Path), and with keeping its secrets to themselves and their initiates, such as the Rosicrucian Societies and Martinist Societies.[2]

This is more along the lines of the order founded by His Majesty. But even much of the "socialistic" Illuminati's actions are also requisite to Rastafarian Kingship.
Posted on: July 15, 2008, 03:05:35 PM
This is pretty much where its at;
http://www.holysmoke.org/wb/wb0174.htm
Title: Re: Anyone?
Post by: I-sciple. on January 06, 2017, 06:58:10 PM
The I says Robert Anton Wilson and Robert Shea have a lot to answer for 8)