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Title: ViVa
Post by: paco on January 16, 2009, 02:15:24 AM


     Que viva Evo Morales:
Bolivia cuts Israel ties over Gaza 

                   Que viva Hugo Chavez:
Venezuela expels Israel envoy
Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: Julian on January 18, 2009, 04:10:23 PM
These Southern American countries can do what they want. They obviously side with terrorism which doesn't surprise me.  I do not fully understand the point of this thread, maybe it is to aggravate those who support Israel on this forum? If so you need to really grow up. Causing trouble over a issue that you know nothing of doesn't make you right.
Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: Oskar on January 19, 2009, 02:58:40 PM
It's simply a piece of information. I didn't know this before I read it here. Maybe I'm a bit slow but this was news for me. Thanks Paco.

Julian,
I didn't know every palestinian was a terrorist. Did you meet them all and count them?
Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: Julian on January 19, 2009, 04:04:53 PM
I never said they was? In a hope of not turning this into a argument on a issue that many peoples opinions vary i will not respond. You have your view. I have my view. Lets keep it that way? I was merely stating Paco was obviously trying to draw out a argument which is very immature.
Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: Oskar on January 19, 2009, 05:36:14 PM
No argument. It's just that my mind is on this area a lot and I feel for all the people there. Both sides, no side. People are people.
Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: natty threads on January 20, 2009, 06:18:59 PM
Israel has been measured in her response.

No-one argues that even Palestinians in general are terrorists (I would hope) but hamas is certainly a terrorist organization.

Do you not believe that Israel was sending warnings as to where they would bomb next?

I do.

Do you not believe that Hamas deliberately put women and children in danger in order to increase the Palestinian death toll to garner international sympathy?

I do.

Look up "Al Takiyah."
As far as I know Islam is the only religion that has this concept.

Bless up.

Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: Oskar on January 20, 2009, 09:09:17 PM
Israel was sending warnings as to where they would bomb next?

Did they do this when they attacked the UN facilities as well?
Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 21, 2009, 08:12:38 PM
As opposed to the foolhardy anti Israel sentiment itself, whats of note is their desire to claim of associate with Rasta.
Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: Oskar on January 22, 2009, 03:49:48 AM
The human rights were designed to be indiscriminately against any kind of abuse or persecution. Until Israel realizes they are included in that proclamation as well as responsible not to go against it I guess things will continue as before.
Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: paco on January 22, 2009, 04:07:46 AM


  immature, yes i admit to that. to draw out a argument, as far as i know that wasn't my intention. sometimes i get alittle emotional and when i read that evo morales and hugo chavez expelled israel i felt like finally someone showed some huevos. juss wanted to express my view that i and maybe others feel what israel is doing is a disgrace and barbaric. and the usa is right there with them.
Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 22, 2009, 07:56:45 AM
The human rights were designed to be indiscriminately against any kind of abuse or persecution. Until Israel realizes they are included in that proclamation as well as responsible not to go against it I guess things will continue as before.

Rather until the world realizes that Israel is again included in nationhood, any defense she makes will be a matter of survival. Most people, blinded by thier own deep prejudice towards Israel are simply incapable of seeing that its Hamas violating human rights by using thier population as a sheild.
Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: Oskar on January 22, 2009, 09:34:24 AM
Ok, so both sides are violating human rights. This is exactly why UN should take charge of the situation. Bombing them don't make things better.

I wonder though are the palestinian people more upset about Hamas standing up to fight for their right to exist or are they more upset with Israel for harassing them with checkpoints etc?

Well, right now there is a cease-fire AFAIK so that is good. Let's work from there and try to respect one another.
Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 22, 2009, 09:49:36 AM
Wrong, But I'm sure in your waiting for jesus to come back universe thats how you'd like to twist it. I reckon the "palestinian people" are most upset with themselves in electing terrorists who would inevitably use them for their own fanaticism. I'll never respect people who scapegoat Israel for their own vain imaginations.
Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: Oskar on January 22, 2009, 12:24:34 PM
I was talking about respect to keep the cease-fire. You are obviously to hot-headed to even listen.

If you would be defending human rights for all people (including Israel) with the same intensity you are defending Israel I would be impressed.
Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 22, 2009, 03:19:25 PM
If you were talking about an agreement then you would have said "it" and not "one another", Just further evidence in accusing me of being "hot headed" that people like you will say and do anything to not take responsibility for their own ignorance and pass it on to the Jews, Just the behavior of those I will never respect. Funny you mention it because like the black supremacists stole from us and then attribute to imaginary speech of His Majesty, when Israel is at peace so will be the world, but just the thought of you being "impressed" has me nauseous.
Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: Oskar on January 22, 2009, 04:23:12 PM
I don't need you to tell me how to say things. A cease-fire is an it yet people are holding it so during it we respect one another.

If you could figure what respect for human beings means maybe you wouldn't be so nauseated by the thought.
Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: paco on January 22, 2009, 04:57:14 PM
the world will be at peace when the us stops it warring ways and stops arming israel to the teeth. those are us planes,bullets, missels,bombs, white phospherous etc... killing and maiming innocent women and children now over a 1000 murdered in 2 weeks. i'm not so sure it's all about hamas shooting missels into israel. and people saying palestinians r using children and women as shields is so offensive to me. here intha usa whenever the police blow an unarmed hispanic/black man and baby away 'they' usually say the same type of things-- 'the man blown away held up his own baby as a shield and the baby was shot also'. sounds familiar to yo y yo. palestinians are human beings and they are being murdered and tortured by the 'predator energy' that been killing us people at will. 
Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 22, 2009, 05:31:06 PM
Nonsensical blather and blame brigade rallying.
Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: Oskar on January 22, 2009, 07:44:30 PM
The 'predator energy' is definitely killing people. When will humanity learn to deal with it and stop blaming each other?
Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 22, 2009, 08:03:15 PM
Imanity will be in a process of learning this as long as JAH grants thier existence.
Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: surfmon_I on January 22, 2009, 10:09:18 PM
True it is Endless as long as we ignore the fundamental and Primary Commandment  of most Faiths which is Thou Shall NOT KILL.  How can Peace be achieved through Murder?. 
Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 23, 2009, 10:43:12 AM
Given the context such a question is vitrolic baseless accusation.
Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: paco on January 23, 2009, 09:43:15 PM
Given the context such a question is vitrolic baseless accusation.

   say, would u b willing to rephrase this again in 'street language'? so someone like me may understand?
Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 24, 2009, 01:52:26 PM
Because of the topic of this thread, asking how "peace can be achieved through murder?" is an indirect way to accuse Israel of murder since its actions in Gaza are said to be for peace.
Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: surfmon_I on January 24, 2009, 02:24:41 PM
It is a TWO way street with many side roads.  I am asking, how can it possibly be achieved , on EITHER side if the violence and aggression is not given up for a HIGHER purpose.
  To imply that we must accept responsibility for actions and Murder (again, on both sides)  is to align and support these MEN~talities.  I do not and have never accepted the warring of Nations due to the fact that we are capeable of so much more, and Shall become more interdependent rather than divisive.
Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 24, 2009, 03:43:43 PM
You were not asking about either side since only one of them actually seeks peace, the element that distinguishes self-defense from "violence".     
Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: Human on January 24, 2009, 05:16:31 PM
 did the germans have a right to "Defend themselves"  from the Warsaw ghetto uprising in 1942 ???

History repeats itself with amazing accuracy, as the victims of holocaust ‘deal’ with their trauma by becoming the perpetrators.

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=2510





Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 24, 2009, 08:20:52 PM
No, but concocting such an ill-informed and inflammatory comparison does serve to demonstrate in the words of Finkelstein, the inability of the argument against Israel to "stand on it own", and the inherent jealous hatred of those so base as to employ it.
Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: paco on January 24, 2009, 08:22:38 PM
   i fail to see how israel wants peace. not to mention they so closely aligned with an imperialist country like the usa, who in it's 200 year plus existance has never been at peace. hamas shoots rockets not the palestinian people. i have no love for hamas, believe me. they shoot rockets that usually miss their mark and kill an israeli here and there which is wrong and i believe murder. thing is israel responds by killing babies,children and women by the hundreds, allowing injured people to die on purpose by delaying ambulances, by using snipers that blow innocent folks away so quick that they don't know what hit them;also the way the israeli military/police treat the palestinians with such disdain and disrespect like they lower than whale shit is so ugly to me. i have nothing against the people of the usa or the people of china or the people of russia or the people of iraq or the people of germany or the people of israel or the palestinians. what i object to is this 'predator energy' that feeds off us ALL so it can maintain its power at all cost. i believe, IF this was seen by ALL folks thru-out mother Earth, we'd have peace in a matter of hours, juss my (naive) opinion.  
Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: I ELIJAH I on January 24, 2009, 08:37:31 PM
Naivety never did lack for fantasy.
Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: paco on January 25, 2009, 04:25:04 AM


  little change of pace.  another dreamer, different body-same soul:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0xoMhCT-7A&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWkKAQxe2mc&feature=related
Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: surfmon_I on January 25, 2009, 02:48:27 PM
MAHALO BRUDDAH~~~*~~~
i ho'omaopopo na mea a pau i ke 'ano o keia anuenue
 'over'stood  the  persons All~the Nature of this rainbow
~S~
Title: Re: ViVa
Post by: Human on January 25, 2009, 08:29:49 PM
Mahalo as well, peaceful Israel Kamakawiwoʻole.