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Title: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 04, 2009, 04:40:31 PM
This is in response to many months of cyclic arguing on this forum and to Knowledge's point here

"I want people to show me some information/knowledge; which I can take away to consider/research and come up with a viewpoint based on overstanding; whether that viewpoint is a strengthening of the original viewpoint or the relinquishing of the viewpoint."

For a long, long time on this forum it has been mostly reasoning/arguing/bitching/and finger pointing on subjects from the past such as posts about Jesus/bible/torah/Jews/Solomon/Holy Books/Holy writings...etc,etc which none of us can seriously say this or that is the truth in any realistic terms because we were not there physically, the writings have been subject to lots of changes, each person has been raised to see things a particular way, etc, etc, etc. This just creates division amongst us and in some cases hate which spills over in to this forum and gives us ALL a bad name. What im proposing is knowledge/information/writings etc, that touch at the very heart of us all were none of us are immune to it and all of us no matter your color, race, religion or creed need to be aware of such information for our freedom spiritually, mentally and physicaly. Information which is undeniable, proven facts, in your face so that there is no what if's, could be's, or not sure's. Our WORLD whether you care to see it or not is heading down a dangerous and  un-predicatble path controlled by a few with intentions that are the opposite of that which makes us Human...LOVE and UNDERSTANDING. There is a system that has been in place for a long time no which has enslaved everyone of us no matter who you are, if your reading this you are not immune to it and are yourself a serf/slave to this system....im talking about THE LAW. In Roman times the Caesers created a form of control to enslave the masses and in there grand law book called to this day "The Roman Cannon Law" there is a phrase which is actually a law that says this "He who will be decieved, let them be decieved"...in other words if your not willing to understand the law then it is ok for them to decieve you for your unwillingness to know the law. Did you know that each of you no matter were you are from are a slave to the international bankers (Rothchild, JP Morgan,Hapsburg Dynasties etc) and are being used by them to pay off a debt they created, you are there product, you are the real value, the real source of money and you dont know it. The Romans created what is called Mar-itime Admiralty Law or UCC (Uniform Commercial Code), this was when the phoenicians (the original creators actually) would travel on the high seas (MAR=sea or ocean) and do business (commerce) with other nations, when they pulled into the port and the ship was stopped it was called "Birth", the ship is in it's birth, when they arrived they had to show what is called a "Manifest of Goods" which is a paper showing what is on board the ship and how much it is worth, when the port authorities have checked how much the goods/product is worth the products are then brought out of the ship (water) and the boat captain is given gold/silver or a form of currency (current as in a flowing current of water) in exchange to be given to the owners (Rome in the Caesers time). Nothing and i mean nothing has changed since those times, a boat still pulls into it's "Birth", "Manifest of Goods" is still shown and "Currency" is still exchanged and given to it's original owners.....you are a product just like the ones on a ship, when you are born you came out of your mothers "Water" at "Birth" then your parents signed a "Manifest of Goods" ("Birth  Certificate) and sold you (unconciously of course) to the new owners (the Federal Goverment) to repay a national debt...you are a slave working to pay off a debt created by the international bankers (you ALL pay taxes) we all have been enslaved for far too long and we all argue about foolish things which is a disstraction and benefit to the slave masters (religion, sports, t.v. shows, race, color,etc,etc). We all need to be educated on this and then you will understand just how deep we all are in this mess together and how we can get out of this before it is too late. Some on here will quickly say "Im not a slave", "Im free in my mind" etc, etc, but that is not so, you have simply helped those in power to keep enslaving you and everyone else...........if this interest you beyond the cycle of arguing about religion, race, color or anything trivial on here then say so and i will add much much more information to help us all clearly see what is going on and how we can change this before it is too late, One Love.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: surfmon_I on March 04, 2009, 09:24:50 PM
  Give Thanks Bredrin.
It is true that we arefar removed from what we could be.  Just this weekend , I went road trip solo to a meeting.  It is always good to seperate from routine, and the point is seen as in the endless cycle on the forum.  As reasoning settles to a strong universal truth ones might ask, when all this is done, settled and asked, ...then what?.  What is the root that we struggle to tap.  Rasta is Nature.  Original. 
  We have been far removed for so long.  Some rally to the truth of past injustices, while we look to the near future as the seas mount in a storm that will rend the surface clean.  One thing is sure, the focus of pridefull arrogance will come to account.  Post up , been readin a lot lately, is all good.
JAHLove.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 06, 2009, 12:14:27 PM
My bredrin Surf always a pleasure, i just feel it's time we all started to reason on real subjects not subjects which only entertain us as individuals in our search but ones we can all look outside and see, i will post tomorrow more info on this which is very interesting to say the least and can help all of us see what is taking place from a different perspective, one love.
Posted on: March 05, 2009, 02:07:40 AM
Surf read this, you will get a much deeper understanding of what is taking place by all this Loaning of Money that you see on the news every night, the Federal reserve loaning money to jump start the economy etc, etc. This is valuable information for those searching for an understanding of what is really taking place.

http://www.usavsus.info/UCC-applied.htm
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: surfmon_I on March 07, 2009, 03:10:44 PM
  Give Thanks !  for the presentation of such information. 
  Dear Ones, we have too long lingered and sought our place of of comfort, not knowing the true underpinnings that hold we down.  It has become evident that we must stand up for ourselves and for the good that is withIn All humankind.
  I am not proposing we stand and shout, but rather bring about this revolution of freedom through the power of JAH as worked through our ecah own ability.  Far too long Ones linger in the narrow mindedness of singular thought.  The scope of this problem is many forld and we need each other to see as well as Inner sight.

  That being said, I man see that it is overwhelming sometimes as we grow and watch the world change.  Ones may ask what it is that one person can do?, and I have asked this as well.  Still do.  But is is coming to share these types of thoughts and knowledge that we spread this light of freedom.  "Without Prejudice U.C.C 1-207" is a interesting point to attach to ones name in these times and I shall look into this further with a Lawer friend.
  Many Thanks Bredrin for this and let us forward with Humble strength.

"Let us be like sheep among wolves" dose not mean powerless.  It means that we trod with Humbleness and are Strengthed by The Most I, and are in Mighty company.

  Let JAH be Praised.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: natty threads on March 07, 2009, 08:45:59 PM
Okay, Human, I'm not saying that this isn't happening  but you start out with the idea of sticking to indisputable writings then move on to NWO conspiracy theories.

How do you think the current move toward socialism in the US fits in to the overarching theme of world enslavement?

What do you propose we do, and is a public forum the best place to discuss?

It occurred to me this blasted time change happening tonight is part of the subconscious training to unquestioned obedience.

My 15 yo came home asking "What is freedom?"
I say it is like verse 50 of Lao Tsu's Tao te Ching.

One man in ten walks with no fear and nothing can harm him because he has no place for death to enter.

Bless up,
Shalom shabbat.


Check this out, just for fun:

berth 
1622, "convenient sea room" (both for ships and sailors), of uncertain origin, probably related to bear (v). Original sense is preserved in phrase to give (something or someone) wide berth. Meaning "place on a ship to stow chests, room for sailors" is from 1706; extended to non-nautical situations 1778.

birth 
c.1230, from O.N. *byrđr, which replaced O.E. gebyrd "birth," from P.Gmc. *gaburthis (cf. Ger. geburt, Goth. gabaurţs), from PIE *bhrto pp. of base *bher- "to bear" (cf. Skt. bhrtih "a bringing, maintenance," L. fors, gen. fortis "chance;" see bear (v.)). Suffix -th is for "process" (as in bath, death). Meaning "parentage, lineage, extraction" is from c.1240. Birthday is c.1000; birthnight is 1628; birthplace is from 1607; birthright is 1535. Birth control first attested 1914. Birthday suit first attested 1730s, but probably much older.
Posted on: March 07, 2009, 12:33:55 PM
Being self-sufficient food-wise, even to a small degree- changes a person enough to keep them moving in a self-sufficient direction.

Control of the food supply is a major step in domination.

How many of us are able to produce our own food?

I know I'm redoubling efforts this year.
I haven't had a really successful Alaska garden yet.

This year...

I have quite a few seeds I could share.

One of my special favorites is Tah Tsai.
I also have a wild lettuce and wild kale variety.

PM if you want some!
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 07, 2009, 11:57:13 PM
Conspiracy theories?????? everything i stated is FACT not one bit of it is conspiracy theory, please go look up anything i said and learn for yourself, claiming the sun is hot is not conspiracy theory it is fact, same goes for everything i said if you take a moment to research.
Posted on: March 08, 2009, 12:49:48 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk9iW_WQWVs&feature=related

This is John Harris speaking about British policies, the same is exactly true for American Policies, no difference except in names we use like congress, Federal, etc, etc. Go to dunn and bradstreet website and see for yourself.

http://www.dnb.com/us/                  on the right hand side it says find a company, type in United States Congress, any police station, any court it's all there, there corporations...guess who owns them...now guess who makes them money...you do, you are a product. No conspiracy just facts.

Natty stop using dictionaries or wikipedia, use Blacks Law Dictionary, this is the official "Legalese" language lawyers use, it's english but not your type of english.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: natty threads on March 08, 2009, 01:22:22 AM
Chill!

The bible, ot, is absolute fact, as written, and the evidence is out there too.

Torah is uncorrupted for nearly 4000 years, and all of the archeology supports it.


I am not arguing that what you are saying is untrue.

I am merely stating that it is not accepted universally.

I was not saying we are commodities is the conspiracy.
That is obviously the PURPOSE of the public education, esp in the US.

My point is simply that the Bildeburger group is considered on par with Reptilons living in the moon.
(And I'm not saying they don't.)

It is obvious to anyone with eyes who can see and ears who can hear
that our world is heading toward socialism
the ultimate commodisation of ourselves
with a cold dry VENGEANCE.

Human, I don't load vids at home- too slow too slow.

I don't think I am disagreeing with you on your points.

Also, the reminder of how ancient our business terminology is is apt.

It's baffling to me the contradiction and low-grade hostility.

I had initially read the "bear" for birth as a bear, the animal.
Etymology is never not fun.
It certainly doesn't warrant censure.

Aren't you yourself calling for unity in the face of real danger?

I am offering unity and you reprove me for how I respond.

This glorifies Yah how, exactly?

I do not pretend to be a perfect example but my effort at least is manifest, I would hope.
Please, more love and acceptance and less judgment and denial of my beliefs.

Bless up.

Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 08, 2009, 03:21:18 AM
Natty i have no clue as to why you think im reproving you, whatever that means, im not arguing with you, pointing my finger at you or lashing out at you, were you see this in my post is beyond me. I did not mention bilderburg or reptilians on the moon so please refrain from using that in consideration of the original post please, those things have no purpose here. No one especially me is yelling or getting upset at your post so no need for the "Chill" in your writings.

"The bible, ot, is absolute fact, as written, and the evidence is out there too.

Torah is uncorrupted for nearly 4000 years, and all of the archeology supports it."

Again i dont care what you think about the torah or bible, it has nothing to do with my post so please refrain from throwing that in to the mix and of course what i said is not "accepted universally", if it was we would be much closer to a real sense of freedom by now if it was, this is the whole trick we have been under, get it.

"I do not pretend to be a perfect example but my effort at least is manifest, I would hope.
Please, more love and acceptance and less judgment and denial of my beliefs."                    what are you talking about????? who's denieing you or judging you???

Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: surfmon_I on March 08, 2009, 03:15:32 PM
What is Itinually  puzzling is that On line personalities reflect ones presumption of conflict rather than cut to the root of what we have in common.  Oh well, so much for the desire to unite.  Still we a come.
JahLive.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 08, 2009, 03:35:18 PM
It's fear Surfmon, fear that yes this "might" be occuring to them but not willing to face it, i understand this and how some can be fearful, but, this is why this information should be spread so that it can slowly eliminate the fear and people can start to face it and make changes. Im simply letting people know what is happening and has happened to ALL OF US, not regurgitating the same old stuff on here about bible stories and religion and white/black rasta posts. Maybe its above some people heads at this moment or maybe not interested at all in it and would rather think that other posts are more useful. I will keep posting more if people want, if not i will stop.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: moses on March 09, 2009, 09:16:43 AM
Aye Bedrin Human and All...

Maximum raspect for the link, and info.

I real appreciate the I 's concern about matters at the dial of time. Sure things are happening and some of us differ the capacity to comprehend the matter.

I had loved so much Sean Conrad's paper... And I have saved it into I library for further study. I as a man strive so much now to understand law even considering to join American Law School. Not because American Judiciary is most effective, nope; evidence are bound that it is the worst! Strange enough its kernel of order, the constitution of United States Of America is erected in soundly principles of universe.

Where I man live the challenge is not such hard to repair, as it is in America. But America is in state of emergence... Just as Sean Conrad has presented, it prompt all of us to think about it and see what we can choose and do. Like old saying, when people know better they will choose better. A point of one presenting his serious study in a certain real issue in a common ground to facilitate people making better decisions based on facts revealed and share... In fact i as a man, real honor all the people who gather courage to present what the had come to know in broader sense amidst a strangling danger... It real helps us to see thru.

And when we share further what has been passed to us, it is in actual sense honoring what someone else had done, marking his/her dignity and right. This is what I see that forums can do so much, and for sure this is its rightful place. Dignity and honor always go together with integrity and choice. And it is immediate.

On the other hand, when people come into groups... A necessity of culture of dialogue ensures. Some of us, have individual inclination to learn long and steadly and then decide. But when we come into groups this attitude will have to be counterbalanced to the level of common overstanding of other preceding in the group, and hence dialogue... Of course this usually means things to turn slow; yet it is inevitable... What is a golden attitude is tolerance. And this also means mastering what Jesus taught Be Ye Wise as Serpent, gentle as doves, a 3 3 degree. For many people, even of individual best intentions; this is basic precept of synergy... It requires us to have a sense of balance of Intellect and feeling...

Intellect is quick, yet it is half it takes. The feelings are subjected to stirring and so patience is also a tactical stance. But any person who want to be a master to steer any course of direction, s/he has got to master himself first... And this is an art. Learning to laugh and not taking things serious can help one, not to overstep the border and hence leading to other outcomes s/he wouldn't like to see them happening. And the way of avoiding pitifull is a very thin line... Chances are, each one of us must slip here and there every now and then. The point is, just be Alert... And even if u strike, know well it make rash back unto you quick, so learn to take responsibility as well. Of course it is not that I as a man mean we should be perfectionist... No no. Yet don't worry too about making mistakes. Learn to laugh then; at ur own folly. Every thing you do even if be tough, do it with love. Then learn to weep with your heart for any error that might have caused trouble to your bedrins and sistrens. Learn to sympathize and making it up to someone u might have disgraced; and with this, one 's spirit sours with dignity and righteousness, the light of the soul.

Sister Natty, it is alright that the I's heart may need warm up or something. And Iman appreciate you for speaking up ur mind too. Still, it is to paint a wider picture; we all need canvas to reveal. Whether alternatively or within the same lines. I looking foward the theme of the thread can return into its core essence yet u r concerns are as valuable as it speaks ur heart; bless up.

Still reading some books; Ricardo Semler's Maverick! and Michael Hammer and James Champy's Reengineering The Corporation... A lot to reveal about the old and falling capitalist infer mental, Bureaucracies and all nasty world of the rule of few robbing many people's share of true happiness.

JAH Love Guide & Protect InI
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 09, 2009, 12:22:57 PM
Give thanks Moses for the nice post, here is some more info for the masses, this is about BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

Bubble #2 - Child Registration

It is a miracle of a time, and when you are all excited about having your baby, the government social worker that works at the hospital will approach you with some registration forms, telling you 'you have to register your baby'. She will hand you a form and on the cover it says in bold language, 'Every Parent must register' and 'After a baby is born every parent must register the birth and legal name of their child'.

 

Inside it says:
This brochure contains an IMPORTANT form which parents must complete for every baby born in America/British Columbia. The Registration of Live Birth form is the official Provincial record of the birth and the registration of the child's legal name. Everything you need to complete the form is provided including detailed instructions and a pre-addressed envelope.'
(It is designed to make you believe you have an obligation to register and if you don't the law will get involved and you will be in big trouble.)


Next paragraph reads:
By law, you must register the birth and legal name of your child within 30 days of the birth. Naming a child and registering the birth are your important responsibilities because registration is the only way of creating a permanent legal record of a person's birth. There is no fee to register a baby's birth so long as it is registered within 30 days. Simply fill in the registration form and mail it in the envelope provided, or bring it to any BC Vital Statistics Agency office. See back cover of this brochure for our office locations and telephone numbers.

 

It then states:
At the same time as you complete the mandatory Registration of Live Birth form, you have the option of ordering a birth certificate for your newborn.



 

Now lets take a very close look at what they are actually saying.

This brochure contains an IMPORTANT form which parents must complete for every baby born in America/British Columbia. – this tells us ONLY the parents can complete it. The government cannot do it on your behalf. They use the word 'must'. Notice they do not use the word 'obligated' or 'obliged'. Must is a very tricky legal word, and when you find out its true meaning in a later bubble is burst, you will see what I mean. Here they use the word 'baby'. They are referring to the human being; blood, flesh and bone vessel of the spirit.


The Registration of Live Birth form is the official Provincial record of the birth and the registration of the child's legal name. - Here they tell you the form is the Provincial record. Not yours. Theirs. They have also now slipped in the word 'child' instead of 'baby'. The reason is, there is no doubt in law what a baby is; there is ambiguity when you start using words like 'child'. The 'child', legally is the 'person'. Notice how also they tell you that you will be creating a 'legal name'. Not a lawful name, but a legal one. There is a big difference between the two, and it is one bubble that will be burst in following chapters.

 

By law, you must register the birth and legal name of your child within 30 days of the birth. Again the word 'must'. And why must you do it within 30 days? What exactly is the penalty for registering late? Notice also the use of the words 'child' and 'legal name'. Naming a child and registering the birth are your important responsibilities because
registration is the only way of creating a permanent legal record of a person's birth. - Now the trap is almost shut.
'Responsibility' refers not to what one is obliged to do, but who is to blame after the fact. Notice here also how they are using not the word 'baby' nor 'child' to describe your offspring, they are using the word 'person' and they may not be describing your offspring at all. They tell you straight out, by using the word 'person', that you will be creating a permanent one. There is no fee to register a baby's birth so long as it is registered within 30 days. – Ah-Ha! Here is why you have to do it within 30 days! To avoid paying a filling fee! Wow so scary! That is why they can get away with using the word must when there are no actual obligations.

 

Next paragraph, we find this:
At the same time as you complete the mandatory Registration of Live Birth form, you have the option of ordering a birth certificate for your newborn. –They also use the term 'mandatory'. Notice what it is referring to; it is referring to the noun not the verb. The action is not mandatory; the form is, if you choose to register. Now we also apparently have some sort of option about ordering a Birth Certificate. Ask yourself this, if you have an option now, what makes you think you didn't have one to begin with? Do you think they have an obligation to tell you what all your options are?

 

Here is the biggest question of all: If what they are selling is such a good thing, why do they use so much obvious deception to get us to buy it?

So this is essentially what is happening. When you register your offspring, you are creating a legal entity, or person, you are associating that person with your offspring and then you are abandoning that entity to the government, who appears to be seizing it under the laws of maritime commerce. This 'person' is in fact chattel property and can and is used for collateral on loans. Your registered baby is in fact a form of pledge and is worth a lot of money. Also, if they ever come for your baby acting under some legislation, it is that chattel property they are acting upon, not your offspring. But because it was all done apparently lawfully and legally, and you maintain the association between that entity and your baby, they have the right to affect your offspring. The Birth Certificate is not just evidence of the birth; it is evidence that you have abandoned the king of documents: the Record of Live Birth. They will not accept a certified and notarized true copy of the original. Nope, they need the original itself.

 

Imagine creating a raincoat for your offspring, the record of creating that raincoat and evidence of ownership you give to your neighbour. He then comes over and claims the right to remove the coat, with your child still in it. That is exactly the legal mechanism they use to remove our offspring.


BIRTH. The act of being born or wholly brought into separate existence. Black's 1st. See Note, and Note at birth record.

 

Note: A man or a woman is "born," straw men are "wholly brought into separate existence." Each event qualifies as a "birth." The birth certificate documents a muddied mixture of the two events that allows the system to both claim that it is "your" birth certificate yet also claim to hold title to (not ownership of) the corporately colored straw man.

 

BIRTH CERTIFICATE. A formal document which certifies as to the date and place of one's birth and a recitation of his or her parentage, as issued by an official in charge of such records. Furnishing of such is often required to prove one's age. Black's 6th. See Note, birth, birth record, document of title, field warehouse receipt, bond.

 

Note: A birth certificate is a negotiable instrument, a registered security, a stock certificate evidencing, or representing, the preferred stock of the corporation and against which you are the surety; it is a pedigree chattel document establishing the existence of your straw man, a distinct artificial person with a fictitious name; it is a document of title to a straw man; it is a warehouse receipt for your body; delivery receipt; industrial bond between you (flesh-and-blood
man or woman) and the industrial society and corporate US Government (artificial person).

 

In Canada, the original birth certificate is generally created at the PROVINCIAL level (in rare instances city level) via birth documents from the hospital (for which the hospital receives $$$ from the PROVINCE for causing the registration of the birth) and passed to the Provincial and Federal levels, and likely elsewhere. Per the definition of "birth" above, the document references both the newborn and the straw man. Certified copies of the birth certificate may be obtained at the Vital Statistics Office. Your birth certificate is one of the kinds of security instruments used by the Government to obtain loans from its creditor, under which it is bankrupt.

 

According to a researcher who worked on a research project for one of the world's largest brokerage houses he discovered that in the year 1936 each American birth certificate was assigned a value of $630,000.00. The investigative journalist's report beginning on page xxiii confirms that (new) birth certificates today carry a value of $1,000,000.00 and that upon notification of the receipt of a new birth certificate at the Ministry of Finance, it takes out a loan for $1-million and purchases a bond, then invests the funds in either the stock market or bond market. The collateral for the loan for the bond issued against the birth certificate is you; i.e. your body, labor, and property. A man in Santa Barbara, California who obtained his original birth certificate from the Department of Commerce some years ago via a Freedom of Information Act request reported the endorsements of 17 different foreign countries thereon. There may also be other types of birth documents used by the Government, or others, to obtain loans/credit.

 

BIRTH RECORD. Official statistical data concerning dates and places of persons' birth, as well as parentage, kept by local government officials. Black's 1st. See Note, birth certificate.

 

Note: Under "birth certificate" the definition refers to "one's birth," and under "birth record" the definition refers to "persons' birth." "One" means flesh-and-blood man or woman; "person" means artificial or juristic person. See individual.


Posted on: March 09, 2009, 11:21:20 AM
http://www.thinkfree.ca/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1&Itemid=32

For those interested go here and register, dont worry it's free, then you can go to the library and learn all kinds of useful and very interesting things, also go to the videos section and watch some videos to get a better understanding of what is going on, well worth your time.
Posted on: March 09, 2009, 11:29:00 AM
Read this letter then pull out your drivers license, phone bill, parking tickets or anything else sent by the Government and you will see your name in CAPITAL LETTERS....this is the created PERSON in which they created to enslave you under...you are not A person...you HAVE a person and this person is the carbon copy you in which they created without your consent and it is how they tax you, force your compliance, arrest you on there statutory rules, etc, etc. You are 2 people, 1st is the real HUMAN you, born from God and having a soul....2nd you is a fake person created when you were born to be a subject (slave) to pay off a DEBT created by the international banking families, made to comply with there rules (statutes) under penalty of jail time, forced by the trick of CONSENT to pay back there falsely created debt by there bankrupt corporation (United States/Britain). These Banking families control the people through 3 different nations within nations..these are actual nations controlled by them...Vatican City, City of London and District of Columbia (D.C.)



Edward Mandell House was instrumental in getting Woodrow Wilson elected as President.  Edward had the support of William Jennings Bryan and the financial backing of the House of Rockefeller's National City Bank.  Edward became Wilson's closest unofficial advisor.

 Edward Mandell House and some of his schoolmates were also members of Cecil Rhodes Round Table group.  The Round Table Group, the back bone of the Secret Society, had four pet projects, a graduated income tax, a central bank, creation of a Central Intelligence Agency, and the League of Nations.

 Between 1901 and 1913 the House of Morgan and the House of Rockefeller formed close alliances with the Dukes and the Mellons. This group consolidated their power and came to dominate other Wall Street powers including: Carnegie, Whitney, Vanderbilt, Brown-Harriman, and Dillon-Reed. The Round Table Group wanted to control the people by having the government tax people and deposit the peoples money in a central bank. The Group would take control of the bank and therefore have control of the money. The Group would take control of the State Department and formulate government policy, which would determine how the money was spent. The Group would control the CIA which would gather information about people, and script and produce psycho-political operations focused at the people to influence them to act in accord with Round Table Group State Department policy decisions. The Group would work to consolidate all the nations of the world into a single nation, with a single central bank under their control, and a single International Security System.  Some of the first legislation of the Wilson Administration was the institution of the graduated income tax (1913) and the creation of a central bank called the Federal Reserve.  An inheritance tax was also instituted. These tax laws were used to rationalize the need for legislation that allowed the establishment of tax-exempt foundations.  The tax-exempt foundations became the link between the Groupmember's private corporations and the University system. The Group would control the Universities by controlling the sources of their funding. The funding was money sheltered from taxes being channeled in ways which would help achieve Round Table Group aims.

 

Edward Mandell House had this to say in a private meeting with President Woodrow Wilson:

 

“[Very] soon, every American will be required to register their biological property in a national system designed to keep track of the people and that will operate under the ancient system of pledging.  By such methodology, we can compel people to submit to our agenda, which will effect our security as a chargeback for our fiat paper currency. Every American will be forced to register or suffer being unable to work and earn a living. They will be our chattel, and we will hold the security interest over them forever, by operation of the law merchant under the scheme of secured transactions. 

Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of lading to us will be rendered bankrupt and insolvent,   forever to remain economic slaves through taxation, secured by their pledges. They will be stripped of their rights and given a commercial value designed to make us a profit and they will be none the wiser, for not one man in a million could ever figure our plans and, if by accident one or two should figure it out, we have in our arsenal plausible deniability. After all, this is the only logical way to fund government, by floating liens and debt to the registrants in the form of benefits and privileges. This will inevitably reap to us huge profits beyond our wildest expectations and leave every American a contributor to this fraud which we will call  “Social Insurance.” Without realizing it, every American will insure us for any loss we may incur and in this manner, every American will unknowingly be our servant, however begrudgingly. The people will become helpless and without any hope for their redemption and, we will employ the high office of the President of our dummy corporation to foment this plot against America.”
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Knowledge on March 10, 2009, 02:00:20 PM
Yes Human,

I respect your response, it this kind of submission which is conducive to reasoning! Even though I might not share the fullness of your viewpoint. I respect the way you have submitted them! You certainly have given plenty of food for thought -Keep raining them down!

I would like to clarify one thing - I am not inna the bitching for the sake of argument or to cover/distort another's view point. But when you read some of the views that have been submitted that have no substance or reasoning other than to just chant people down. Then I have to touch on the points that the posters have either omitted or distorted!

I agree (and have posted elsewhere) that no one really knows (even though I feel there is a group who have access to knowledge, that is not open to the rest of us)! Which neatly fits into what I feel that you are saying when you talk about control! I can certainly relate to the reasoning about how they manipulate us from birth - with the illusion of debt (true sound). Instead of the earth being a ideal place to manifest on one aspect (or stage of the journey) and experience a physical ideal. We are caged in a prison where the ideals of materialism have been developed to  into the sophisticated and at the same time brutal prison where we live!

The doctrine of them who control (or seek to control) is so ingrained that to free your mind - To stand up and say No to the system makes on a an insurgent! So when I say burn Rome I do not have an individual in mind rather I am referring to the system!

The main problem with the indoctrination is that right now, nobody knows god!! 

Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 10, 2009, 03:20:57 PM
Thanks for the response Knowledge, i will post more real soon.

"I would like to clarify one thing - I am not inna the bitching for the sake of argument or to cover/distort another's view point. But when you read some of the views that have been submitted that have no substance or reasoning other than to just chant people down. Then I have to touch on the points that the posters have either omitted or distorted! "

No need for clarification Knowledge, i understand and was the same way for awhile on here, you just go round and round and post after post, you know what you know and that is all that is needed on a public forum, some like the one you go back and forth enjoy the merry go round business, it is all they know and nothing more and it takes only a post or two to figure it out. I agree as well there are a few who have access to certain info not readily available to others, but, after going back and forth on here on subjects which for me i have passed up a long time ago i decided to see if people would like to reason about things that affect us all and they can come away with a better understanding of what is taking place in the world instead of what ? took place supposedly thousands of years ago. Some such as those who have repsonded are interested and others not which is fine, i just feel this forum could be more than what it currently is or has become is more like it, thanks bredrin and have a great day.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Knowledge on March 11, 2009, 01:00:20 PM
Greetings Human,

Just want to say respect for the reasoning -It's good when one can bring food (for thought) to the table, and we can all eat,
bearing in mind that the poverty of the poor is indeed the rich mans feast!

Keep up the vibes

knowledge.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 11, 2009, 01:52:49 PM
Respect back to you Knowledge, always a pleasure. Here are a few words from Robert Menard, Freeman on the Land talking about SOCIETY.

"We are told that we live in a free society. There is no greater test of freedom then being able to leave. In order to understand this idea better, we need to know some words and their definitions. First off, a society is a group of people joined together by mutual consent to deliberate, determine and act for a common goal. Notice how there is no mention of geographical area? Being in a certain geographical area might give you’re the right to join a society; however it cannot create an obligation to join. See that mutual consent part? Pay attention to it, it will become very important.
Now what is a statute? Is a statute law? The answer is yes and no. It is not the law, but it is a rule which has the force of law, within a society. Statutes are the laws of a society. Outside of society, they have no effect at all.

I look at society as a house party, not a prison. At this party, there is food and music. We have a system set up which is supposed to determine what music is played and what food is served. This system is supposed to be democratic in nature, where the majority decides. Now if you don’t like the food, music, rules  of the house, or the system designed to determine those things, you are perfectly free to leave.  Maybe in the house (in society) you can’t smoke or own a gun. Does this mean you can’t do those things once you leave? Of course not! If you are no longer in the house, its rules no longer apply to you. These statutes which governments call laws, are all the laws of the society, or the house. Leave society, and these rules are no longer your laws. Those remaining behind will still have to obey them, you will not. Of course, you won’t
be able to eat the food or listen to the music (collect benefits), either.

The simple fact is if this is a free society, we have the right to leave. If we do not have that right, it is neither free, nor a society.
If our society was a house party, this is what we would see. At the food table, they are serving scraps and crumbs, while we hear them in the back kitchen whooping it up with their supplier friends (bankers). The music is either a Military March or a Polka. The waiters (government workers) are acting more and more like prison guards. There are mirrors everywhere, not enough seats and more than enough smoke. The door leading out of this party has been well hidden and hasn’t been opened for a long time. They might have even welded it shut. If we are to have a free society, then every once in a while, someone must leave. This will ensure that people know they are free to do so; someone must guard that door and ensure it opens easily. This will also allow those remaining in the house, to see what its like outside, without venturing forth themselves. If they decide its better outside, then they too are free to leave.

Remember that Liberty is not Freedom, when a ship pulls into port the sailors "have to ask for Liberty" in order to freely leave the ship and explore, this is the reason why the "Statute of Liberty" is in the WATER out in the bay, it is because were dealing with maritime admiralty law = the law of the sea and currency (Money).

Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: natty threads on March 11, 2009, 11:46:36 PM
Allow me first to address this- that you said nothing about Bilderbergs or Reptilons-

I never said you mentioned Reptilons, just that the Bilderberg group to which you refer, though not by name, is ON PAR with Reptilons in the public’s conception.

When you START with “The Torah is a pack of lies”, which is how I perceive this-

“For a long, long time on this forum it has been mostly reasoning/arguing/bitching/and finger pointing on subjects from the past such as posts about Jesus/bible/torah/Jews/Solomon/Holy Books/Holy writings...etc,etc which none of us can seriously say this or that is the truth in any realistic terms because we were not there physically, the writings have been subject to lots of changes, each person has been raised to see things a particular way, etc, etc, etc.”

you’ll have to excuse me for taking umbrage.

“please go look up anything i said and learn for yourself”
“is not conspiracy theory it is fact, same goes for everything i said if you take a moment to research”

How is this not reproving me?
“Whatever that means.”

Seriously.

You are implying that I am uneducated on the matter of which you speak and that I have not taken so much as a moment to research the matter, yet somehow I know the alternate names for the principals.

Riddle me that.

Seriously- look how off-put you were by my pointing out your internet gleaned philosophy is a well-known conspiracy theory and then consider to yourself how a person reading your dismissal of Torah, an actual unadulterated sacred book, might feel.

“Did you know that each of you no matter were you are from are a slave to the international bankers (Rothschild, JP Morgan, Hapsburg Dynasties etc) and are being used by them to pay off a debt they created, you are there product, you are the real value, the real source of money and you dont know it.”

Isn’t this the Bildeberger group?
I thought that’s who the international banking conspiracy behind the NWO is. This is exactly what you are describing.


There is supposed to be, in the US Constitution, checks and balances that prevent majority rule on the federal level.

Essential to removing oneself from a system of enslavement is the ability to feed and shelter ones self withOUT relying on "the man", the grid, the government. When people are unable to tell someone to just go away, "Take this job...", or "...when you make me" because that person is AFRAID of not being able to pay bills or feed his or her family, that person is in a position of "shuck and jive" to survive.

Any time a person must be dishonest- not considerate, not forgiving, not humble, but DISHONEST- to survive, that person is diminished and loses just a bit more of his or her- liberty? freedom?- SELF, and makes his or her self that much more of a commodity.

One of the primary tools of enslavement is public education, which is enslavement of the worst kind- mental and intellectual enslavement. Through public education worst of all, imo, children learn that NOTHING they do is important enough to continue once a bell rings, that no matter what flow they have attained, no matter how immersed in a project, thought, or conversation that child is, it must be DROPPED NOW and the child must go to a different room, start a different project, embrace a different idea, because a GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE SAID SO.

Schools are also tools for creating consumers.

That is pretty much their STATED objective, if one reads between the lines.

A sense of humor, as well as an ability to see ones own faults and even to apologize, whether in the wrong or not, are essential tools in Christian living.

I would think they'd be helpful in avoiding slavery as well.

BTW, Human, you think I am off-base in my links that I sent you-

READ THE COMMENTS for the video you linked.

Obviously we are on the same page-

YOU are in denial of brotherhood with me.

Quit judging and grow up.

I’m not kidding.


Bless up,
Jennifer
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 12, 2009, 01:16:25 AM
'A sense of humor, as well as an ability to see ones own faults and even to apologize, whether in the wrong or not, are essential tools in Christian living."

Sun worship doesnt appeal to me but thanks anyways. I will grow up when you use your mind and not your Christian ego.

IM NOT KIDDING......lol...now thats funny. Next.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: natty threads on March 12, 2009, 01:48:33 AM
'A sense of humor, as well as an ability to see ones own faults and even to apologize, whether in the wrong or not, are essential tools in Christian living."

Sun worship doesnt appeal to me but thanks anyways. I will grow up when you use your mind and not your Christian ego.

IM NOT KIDDING......lol...now thats funny. Next.


Human,
your head is directly up where it ought not be.

I have been SCREAMING for unity and brotherhood, pm and on this question.

YOU are shouting down that we are all slaves, yet you MOCK my further insight as to what is happening.

You are a living testimonial to what the denial of Yah wreaks.

Deal with your own bad self.

I have what I need, including the fellowship of neighbors WITH WHOM I INCIDENTALLY disagree.

YOU continue to REVILE all who do not share your world view while at the same time  FALSELY calling for brotherhood.

What you nreally mean is this:

"I will tell you enough truth to convince you to support my demonic lies."

Prove me wrong.

Bless up.
Deny Yah and see what life wreaks.

You are it.
Posted on: March 11, 2009, 05:33:56 PM
Human,

I have TRIED and tried and tried

for over a year now

to find a CIVIL COMMON ground with you

and you have talked around and reviled me

BECAUSE I am a Christian, and I cannot help but believe also because I am WHITE and a WOMAN.

You are NOTHING LIKE the Ras' I knew who drew me into God.

You are a reviler and despiser of scripture, which I can circumvent, GIVEN THE CHANCE, which you refuse me.

I have been willing FOR OVER A YEAR to lay aside my fundamental disagreement with your disparagement of scripture, which you also do on the initial post on this thread, for the sake of unity on FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES OF SURVIVAL.

This AVOIDING SLAVERY-  HEY I AM HOMESCHOOLING THREE KIDS< RAISING MY OWN MEAT< AND TRYING TO GARDEN IN A HOSTILE ALASKAN CLIMATE- Is this REALLY experience you want to write-off?-

It is the PRIMARY CONCERN OF EVERY FREE PERSON.

IF your real concern were REALLY avoiding slavery you MIGHT be more respectful of people who are actually CARRYING IT OUT IN PRACTICE as much as possible.



HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU KNOW who are actually off the grid?

Who have NOT registered their children?

Mine are and we're on, but... that is my husband's doing, not mine.

WISE UP.

Open your heart and free your mind.

Bless.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 12, 2009, 10:24:20 AM
"I will tell you enough truth to convince you to support my demonic lies."


Demonic lies......ok i hear you thanks.

I love how you say "bless up" and then "deny God and see what life wreaks", "you are it"...tisk tisk i see you threw out the message early on to simply rest on the messenger, how very predictable.

Interesting that your the only one who has posted that took what i said the wrong way, then got paranoid and thought i was insulting you, thanks for your post and for sharing just how "Far off the grid you really are".
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Knowledge on March 12, 2009, 10:42:19 AM
Greetings to Human,

Just to say, based upon your submissions within this thread, I find it hard to see why Natty T is flinging such negative vibes after you.
But then again -I know ;D

Anyway, moving on, how about this.
I think that sometime ago in the past, when we use to live as one, with the ability of communicating without speech and language (telepathy ESP -whatever) That someone, something, some group, introduced a doctrine, which was designed specifically to break that link, that oneness which we all shared!

The doctrines are the differing schools of thought, some of which are reality based and others which are not, the upshot being a puzzle that cannot be fathomed but as more and more people were introduced to the programme, the more widespread it became, until the "spiritual" communication/connection was severed and now we are all in effect scrabbling around in the dark.

This a very simplified view of a concept which I am sure will generate reasoning or maybe condemnation!

Anyway keep flinging up the vibes,
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 12, 2009, 12:25:48 PM
"All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted
as self-evident."
-- Arthur Schopenhauer

Its the self evident part that is painful to some so they lash out.

Yes moving on.

"I think that sometime ago in the past, when we use to live as one, with the ability of communicating without speech and language (telepathy ESP -whatever) That someone, something, some group, introduced a doctrine, which was designed specifically to break that link, that oneness which we all shared!"

Agreed, every ancient book talks of such things, every peoples ancient stories in there culture talk of it as well. At one time in humanity's infancy there was a world wide knowledge based upon nature and how it works, the heavens and how it works and the origins of Man and Mind and how they became, then at sometime in the past something, some group or race changed all that by some way. Im sure we can reason quite realistically the two of us, but, it is better by p.m. then on here, as you can see and have learned very quickly threads get hijacked and off topic fast, that how it is on a public forum.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Knowledge on March 12, 2009, 03:34:11 PM
Respect Human,

True Sound ;)

It's a funny thing I because I never read that concept in a book, it was sparked by something I saw whilst watching Star Trek TNG, ha hah cheesy but true, But if newton discovered the laws of gravity by watching an apple fall, then why not!

But moving on regarding Human infancy. I have to agree with what you allude to about how they changed up the programme.
Personally I would not be surprised if this is not one vast "computer programme". I say computer programme because I'm  constrained by language to really explain what I mean. But the nearest principles that come the closest to what I am trying to say are those found in computer programmes.

Contrary to popular belief the individual and inherent programmes of nature run like clockwork, (pardon the pun) actually they run even more regular than that, unless interfered with! For instance take a black hole in space, it's primary purpose being to hold that part of the universe in perfect sync, that is actually more realistic to me and more relevant than the nonsense about a burning bush which started talking! Funny how so called rational (and sensible) people can believe nonsense when they want to or more to the point are required to!

Anyway more Power to the Source
 
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 12, 2009, 04:04:19 PM
"Contrary to popular belief the individual and inherent programmes of nature run like clockwork, (pardon the pun) actually they run even more regular than that, unless interfered with"

Yep, this is why the ancient writers wrote there stories to explain just that which you said, then people who used simply there ego and had control and power on there mind hijacked that knowledge, put a twist on it, re-worked it and sold it off to people and now thousands of years later people call you a pagan or heathen or conspiracy nut for saying such obvious truths...it's the power of fear based trauma indoctrination and blind faith. Reading bible accounts have taught me me a few things...burning bush for example....1) that there is a profound deeper truth hidden in the story and most assuredley is about me (nature/life)..2) that such a story was understood by a select few who used there higher faculties to discern and understand it's meaning and the most important for me is 3) that it is NOT about some real, physical, old man, talking to a dam bush on fire and hearing real voices from it claiming it is the creator of the universe and then spreading a message, if you believe that the you are capable of believing anything and that is not rational nor using the very thing which you were created with...intelligence... but then again most who think like that have been taught that they are worthless sinners BEFORE BIRTH and only through constant fear and alms can they maybe be restored..which they will never actaully find out until death. I dont have a fear of an eternal hell or cruel judgment day when i stare into a beautiful sunset or watch beautiful children playing which are 2 of the most natural things one can see....so why should i place a blind ignorant faith in words on paper written thousands of years ago when most were illiterate and could not understand them then...people live in the 21st century with bronze age beliefs...very dangerous and ignorant in my book.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Knowledge on March 12, 2009, 04:30:38 PM
Human

I have to say that you have a remarkable ability to convert conscious thought into writing!
Indeed other than this salute I don't really have anything to add - because you echo my thoughts entirely,
Which is dangerous because it presents a further example of those of us who do not accept the programme
and therefore present a escalating probability of system failure! :)

The only thing I would add - for the benefit of others, is that there are indeed those who know something
about I (us) that they don't want I (us) to know! 
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 12, 2009, 05:55:32 PM
Respect to the I.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: I ELIJAH I on March 14, 2009, 02:22:13 PM
Though it is an interesting question why such escapist iniquitous commonry insists on forcing itself upon Rastafarians, the fact remains that despite what anyone may want the conversations on this board to consist of, it is established to be those based on faith. Thus "Researched" "Information" is not really of the same realm. Its of course understandable why those incapable of the contemplation of such a realm would resent those to whom it is primary yet the true knowledge of an individuals "freedom" and similar questions are unapproachable with out clear spiritual directives, most specifically from HIM Haile Selassie I, Which ironically most of the participants of this and most other "Rastafari" boards appear devoid of and hostile to.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 14, 2009, 04:14:37 PM
"Thus "Researched" "Information" is not really of the same realm"  your right Ras stink eye, it takes using your brain and intelligence, were faith you need neither.  Faith = Ruled by ideas for which you have no evidence.

Jesus Christ who was born of a virgin, cheated death, and rose bodily in to heaven - can now be eaten in the form of a cracker..........laughable to the extreme.

Your an idiot Elijah plain and simple, and by you saying "Which ironically most of the participants of this and most other "Rastafari" boards appear devoid of and hostile to" clearly proves others on other Rasta boards feel the same, time to start looking in the mirror you clown. It shows your a wannabe internet Rasta who doesnt have the balls like others here to get out and actually live Rastafari, instead you "type' Rastafari only.

Look what you wrote  "why such escapist iniquitous commonry insists on forcing itself upon Rastafarians"  then in the same paragraph you write "most of the participants of this and most other "Rastafari" boards appear devoid of and hostile to"  first you pretend that your people here are Rastafarians and then at the same time claim there not and ridicule them, which you do constantly,  you would be laughed at in Rasta circles, concert or any other gathering of conscious Rasta minds.....

I even found a video about you...A who Dem..it's Elijah I straight from Jah cold stone creamery...ding dong duck...lol....clown.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/40968/saturday-night-live-digital-short-ras-trent
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: I ELIJAH I on March 14, 2009, 05:18:11 PM
It is by titles alone that the duppy massive attempts its pretenderation.

First, it is ridiculed...
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 14, 2009, 06:02:58 PM
http://www.hulu.com/watch/40968/saturday-night-live-digital-short-ras-trent
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: I ELIJAH I on March 14, 2009, 06:29:42 PM
First it is ridiculed....
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 14, 2009, 07:07:24 PM
http://www.hulu.com/watch/40968/saturday-night-live-digital-short-ras-trent

The best part is when you walk quietly by the real Rases.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: I ELIJAH I on March 14, 2009, 07:23:31 PM
I personally can't wait for the violent opposition part.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Knowledge on March 15, 2009, 12:32:27 PM
After reading the post of a who dem.

I have to respond to certain issues.

Who Dem writes that "it's of course understandable why those incapable of the contemplation of such a realm would resent those
to whom it is primary yet the true knowledge of an individuals "freedom" and similar questions are unapproachable with out clear spiritual directives, most specifically from HIM Haile Selassie I, Which ironically most of the participants of this and most other "Rastafari" boards appear devoid of and hostile to". !!!

However the truth is; the most faith based contributor is him. All he seems to be able to do is construct gibberish into pseudo-intelligent sentences that are designed to stifle real reasoning and insight. He is indeed the staunch defender of the staus quo. He claims to hail H.I.M -yeah right!! However instead of showing conscious reasoning to support his outlandish claim,The only reasoning you get from him, is some jewish/babylonian sentimentality and foolishness. The rhetoric one would expect to hear from those opposed to any examination of the real truth! Human hit the nail on the head with his comment -"It shows your a wannabe internet Rasta who doesnt have the balls like others here to get out and actually live Rastafari, instead you "type' Rastafari only". That is a true sound!I notice that him and crew dont even come back to me over previous points I raised against their folly, but what do you expect.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: surfmon_I on March 15, 2009, 02:07:04 PM
There are so many ways this current board lacks the dignity that I have always associated with Rastafari.
There is not any attempt to treat each other with raspect or even the acknowledgment of differing views.

I have always enjoyed what Bredren Human brings, knowing there is respect between our views, both similar and differing.
Natty is a strong woman, intelligent and independent~ Raspect.  Though I have yet to see why ones with such a strong Christian faith mingle with Rastas and not seek the link that IS His Majesty.
Knowledge, the first impression I have in the name is Vanity or pride.  Though the I writes clearly, there is a mocking tone in the very nature of the Ible, Jesus and the followers of such Icent texts (same for bredren Human)~ Rasta never mock the faith of others, just seem to see that the fullness is not observed.  This fullness is beyond words.
Elijah, well bredren, whatever wisdom the I share is covered over by sheer willingness to confront and pull away from a unity amongst InI~ evreytime.  Last thing I remembah is Codex Allimentarius~ of which I man remain linked to and aware of.

Life is a progression in which we are striving to get back to Nature.  We have come so far from the reality of our oneness that we exult our separation.  Ever seeing vanity of words and forcing of Ideas all the while never really DOING anything.  I say this because so often we fight on these Ideas and "reasonings"  instead of finding a way to relate lifes experience~ which is REALLY what we must SHOW the youth.

Many that come are youth, and what do they see?, what do they read of our words?, do we invite others views truly?.  Fear and intimidation are the slavers tactics and we strive to be free.

Guidance, Love an Peace.  Unity.  Naturally. 
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: I ELIJAH I on March 15, 2009, 03:16:39 PM
Rastafari is Rastafari and will always be Rastafari and those who are not Rastafari will never be Rastafari or overstand Rastafari or even control themselves enough to refrain from harassing, slandering, causing confusion for, and pretending to be Rastafari. This is about the only concretized truth thats resulted from the "Rastafari" internet forum phenomenon. It is against the absolute dejection of what masquerades as and associates with Rastafari these days that our true greatness is reflected, so give thanks pitifully transparent tag-along massive! Such a supremely malevolent reaction is truly the only suitable indicator of the revelations purity.

Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 15, 2009, 08:06:20 PM
"Rastafari is Rastafari and will always be Rastafari and those who are not Rastafari will never be Rastafari or overstand Rastafari or even control themselves enough to refrain from harassing, slandering, causing confusion for, and pretending to be Rastafari."

You just described yourself perfectly in your own words, interesting how inner feelings come out so easily. Rastafari is a man, a particular man and you are not he, besides it is you who mock "Rastafari Community" or as you say "Rastafari".

This is my last post on this subject, thought it was going to be a beneficial subject to all of us, but, again as usual it falls apart.

"Though the I writes clearly, there is a mocking tone in the very nature of the Ible, Jesus and the followers of such Icent texts (same for bredren Human)"

 yes Surfmon there is a mocking tone "IN" the ancient texts and when one talks about it they are mocked themselves therefore those mocked who no longer are fooled anymore mock the others, not a pretty cycle but a cycle none the less.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: I ELIJAH I on March 15, 2009, 08:22:15 PM
Absolutely. I mock the so called "Rastafari community". I'm glad you recognize that. They don't hold a candle to the "stars" of ignorance, but what are you going to do...
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Knowledge on March 16, 2009, 12:18:26 PM

Response to Surfmon

I have read and duly noted the contents of your post. To be honest, you kind of caught me on the unawares, because I had received your invitation to chat on the private messenger before I read this posting.

However, in response, to your first impression; I am not a person of vanity, and I pride myself  in knowing that pride becomes before a fall! I am surprised that you have assumed those impressions about I. Whereas you are indeed entitled to your opinion, I would (for what it's worth) assure you that I am not a egotist wrapped up in self deluded vanity.

You then go onto to highlight what you perceive to my mocking tone! Well what can I say, other than I am not inna - the going around the bush tactics-, I prefer to get to the point, rather than be tied down in semantics! However to address the point you make, I do write clearly because the points I make, I want them to be clear and transparent, as oppose to the gibberish that others string together and claim is some deep mystical reasoning! Get me right, the bongo congo hail de Haillie I, way of saying things is okay,but more time, to get the point across I prefer to use straight English. Sorry if that offends you. But if de I want I to Imunicate wid de I wid use of the Irrect phraseology in order that de I can more overstand Iman, then I can do that fe de I! But de I have haffi overs is not de I one alone I ah deal wid seen!!

In terms of the Bible, (B.asic I.nstruction B.efore L.eaving E.arth), the Ible, The Good Book, - whatever term you you use when you refer tothat book, Right now you should overstand that we are trying to free our minds, (well I am, and even though I don't Human personally, other than what I read on here, I feel that Human a deal wid de same ting as I,- Freeing our minds and trying to make sense out of nonsense) I am not going to go over the points I have made -as they are there for all to see. What I would say however is any point I have made, has been open and transparent, and the points have been made usually with the reason as to why I am making the point! You might feel that the bible is your guide, I don't! But I nah fight you over it! Because regardless of our own views, there is indeed only one judge, (The Head Creator and First Source) so in the end if judgment is to take place. I would not feel anyway to stand in front of the judge and state my case in respect of me and my earthly flex. No problems at all!

Indeed I have to smile when I note your defence of Natty Threads, All now she hasn't come back to me about any of the issues I have made in respect of her posts, but respect same way! One question however you (appear to) chant down Human and I, but you seem very reticent (or is that reluctant) to the same chanting when it comes to A Who Dem!! One thing, you don't hear me diss the King, but him a diss the King, and all a Bun the Rastafari but you don't appear to have nothing to say to him (unless I missed it) So how does that work??

If you are telling me the words of Jesus mean something then yes we can discuss that, but when I hear nonsense about his immaculate conception, how he is suppose to walk pon water, and all the other tings that are not real, then I have something to say about that! In short if the I is alluding to a livity then I can listen to de I, but if you are talking to me about the divine personality of Jesus then unless you can prove that in an objective manner then forget it!

Finally going back to the issue of A who dem;
If I wasn't conscious person, then I would be wrapped up with the obvious question of asking in light of his derogatory and racist comments; What is he dealing with? What is he defending? I notice he is dissing black people over their views re the babylonian/jewish conspiracy - according to him they're  all racist/supremacist. Then in a complete U turn, he then calls the British white supremacist's when he is defending Robert Mugabe!! ???  You should advise him to start know himself, cos we already know what he is dealing in!
As I suspected from the first time I noticed his gibberish, He is defending nothing, Every time him mention Rastafari; It's really Pope Paul (or should I say Benedict) the face/head of the system he actually hailing. That it is who him a defend! Him a say Rastafari all de while, but as he has shown and recently admitted/confessed, him really a fight Rasta. Him a praise the system and those that run it! Every time him say Rastafari, it's like listening to a grunting pig trying to roar like a lion.

That person is not clean, he can't be, he is just like the swine who love to wallow in filth, it's the exactly the same way for this individual.  But what do you expect, just as you cant chastise a pig for wallowing in filth because that is its nature, Is indeed the same way we have to accept A Who Dem, for at the end of the day, this is his work, indeed it is his purpose, to protect the system by pouring scorn and derision upon those who are opposed to it! If you don't see that, I suggest go back and re-check his racist and ridiculous reasonings!!

I seem to recall someone singing "That men and people will fight you down (why) when you see the (JAH) light" it seems like him wasn't wrong!
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on March 16, 2009, 01:29:15 PM
Wow, when really we all want the same basic things right?
Isonally see validity in all sides
that which the I speaks in regards to our slavery status in SUS-I-ET I am aware of Human
and avoided birth suffer-tickets for mi youth for yrs, then them wanted to go overseas, get money from  the Gov etc and they became a necessary evil
same natty, homeschooled for yrs, living in the bush, organic food and homegrown medicine, keep working on the self sufficient permaculture garden lifestyle
keep being activist, standing up for our rights, Usury is not right and it does mention that in the bible
I friend Rock has taught us alot about the "Law"
I am a living (wo)man and not a contracted title on a piece of paper and I claim sovereignty and hold that no man or woman may come between I and I living source/creator/Self
"thou may worship no other Gods"
I have the right to use Herbs, given by my Creator
I will not take control oriented drugs or trust "the system"
the system is a tool, far I n I, to be used by we not to rule ova we
I will find the brilliant sovereignty documents that Bredren Rock gave we
His basic philosophy and approach when harrassed by Babylon is to deny that He is the contracted "name" on the birth sufferticket, to refuse to sign any documents with the courts, prisons, shrinks...etc to refuse to contract with anyone who is dodgy, by agreeing to their "lies and deception" one buys into the bullshit and becomes "slave" He tells them, he is a living man, not the name on their piece of paper, the man has had court officials walk out of courtrooms as they often get intimidated by his bible backed truth
and believe I, the man is harassed alot for his Herbal medicine use, but He refuses to bow to the shitstem
youtube "Rocks court appearance", I think that might find it ...I lost the link, when my PC died, recently...but the mans an inspiration, as are all the livicated activists in my home village Nimbin....Rebeltown
Love yahs
I-Sis Nyah I

Posted on: March 16, 2009, 02:14:48 PM
sorry "Rocks court appearance" wont work...but I'll ask him whats the vids called next time I see him
its true, we need to free ourselves now, while we can, or our children will be in an even worse positon than we are now and we certainly ain't living in a democratic or enlightened or freedom raspecting society yet...still a moral and just and aware soceity would be a nice start, too much freedom without awareness and rasponsibility wont be much good
oh and "Knowledge" heard of quantum mechanics? check it out, those miracles of Jesus's just may have happened, one simply needs to expand ones Iception of reality
and check "autobigraphy of a Yogi:" by Yogananda, for some modern day miracle mind ova matter men and woman, it backs up the Jesus story too
there is so much we don't know we don't know
thats what I know
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Knowledge on March 16, 2009, 03:08:53 PM
NyaInIJahLove 

you write the following excerpt;
"Knowledge" heard of quantum mechanics? check it out, those miracles of Jesus's just may have happened, one simply needs to expand ones Iception of reality and check "autobigraphy of a Yogi:" by Yogananda, for some modern day miracle mind ova matter men and woman, it backs up the Jesus story too there is so much we don't know we don't know that's what I know"[/quote]

In answer to your question, Yes I have heard of Quantum Mechanics. 
So are you saying that the immaculate conception of Jesus is Quantum Mechanics or Quantum Conception?
But given that every Human Being since creation, as been born via the womb, from a mixing of sperm and egg -(whether directly injected = Sex or by scientific means  = Test Tube) then pending your explanation as to how Quantum Conception works, then I will stick with what I know!

I note with a degree of disappointment, I hasten to add, that H.I.M. also had a mother and father; so how is it Jesus (the son of Man) doesn't have no earthly father, but every other character whether they be biblical or historical, have one?? Yeah I know faith can move mountains, and the mind can make it real and if I hold up four fingers (whilst torturing you) you will swear sooner or later when pressure started to hold you that I am holding up five.

But the truth is the truth! But as I am not an egotist, so I wont lean on so called misunderstanding; So therefore please explain to me why Jesus siblings were all recorded as stemming from the Mary and Joseph, but yet Jesus don't have a earthly father? I am not foolish or naive enough to accept that story without someone first revealing to me, how that really works! So here is your chance to show me.

In a time like all now, when we can get reasoning's about a lot of things including Quantum Mechanics and how the Omniniverse was formed, etc, even explanations about the history of the formation of the Earth over the last 4 billion years, then how is it no one can explain this thing, this fantastic event to which lot's of people blindly believe to be the truth, but to which no one can explain!

If a woman suddenly claimed an angel told her she was pregnant, with the child of the Lord! Then I will tell you that any person chatting that kind a ting nowadays; would be put away as a Mad Person! But that is not the issue. The issue (or the joke -depending on one's level of cynicism) is that the Mad Person who claimed that they received such wonders and signs, would be put away for a very very long time, by the very same people who claim that it is precisely under the same set of circumstances in which Jesus was conceived!

I look forward to hearing from you with your detailed explanation

Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 16, 2009, 04:55:16 PM
 Sam Harris

"The only reason anyone is a moderate in matters of faith these days is that he has assimilated some of the fruits of the last two thousand years of human thought (democratic politics, scientific advancement on every front, concern for human rights, an end to cultural and geographic isolation, etc.). The doors leading out of scriptural literalism do not open from the inside. The moderation we see among nonfundamentalists is not some sign that faith itself has evolved; it is, rather, the product of the many hammer blows of modernity that have exposed certain tenets of faith to doubt. Not the least among these developments has been the emergence of our tendency to value evidence and to be convinced by a proposition to the degree that there is evidence for it. Even most fundamentalists live by the lights of reason in this regard; it is just that their minds seem to have been partitioned to accommodate the profligate truth claims of their faith. Tell a devout Christian that his wife is cheating on him, or that frozen yogurt can make a man invisible, and he is likely to require as much evidence as anyone else, and to be persuaded only to the extent that you give it. Tell him that the book he keeps by his bed was written by an invisible deity who will punish him with fire for eternity if he fails to accept its every incredible claim about the universe, and he seems to require no evidence whatsoever."





Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Knowledge on March 16, 2009, 05:06:45 PM
Greetings Human

You dangerous you know!! ;D

But joking aside, again I have to give de I - A one bag of respect - salute!!

One of the things that I rate about de I, is that unlike me who can be cynical (or at least appear to be so to the less discerning reader), and a little forthright. You have a way of saying that which is important in an objective and factual manner.
Stay Conscious

Knowledge.


 
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 16, 2009, 05:21:16 PM
Oh i can be cynical my friend, I struggle not to be but it gets the best of me for sure, so it go bredrin. Im not sure of any other way besides objective and factual along with common sense reasoning, anything else is ???

More:

"While moderation in religion may seem a reasonable position to stake out, in light of all that we have (and have not) learned about the universe, it offers no bulwark against religious extremism and religious violence. From the perspective of those seeking to live by the letter of the texts, the religious moderate is nothing more than a failed fundamentalist. He is, in all likelihood, going to wind up in hell with the rest of the unbelievers. The problem that religious moderation poses for all of us is that it does not permit anything very critical to be said about religious literalism. We cannot say that fundamentalists are crazy, because they are merely practicing their freedom of belief; we cannot even say that they are mistaken in religious terms, because their knowledge of scripture is generally unrivaled. All we can say, as religious moderates, is that we don’t like the personal and social costs that a full embrace of scripture imposes on us. This is not a new form of faith, or even a new species of scriptural exegesis; it is simply a capitulation to a variety of all-too-human interests that have nothing, in principle, to do with God. Religious moderation is the product of secular knowledge and scriptural ignorance—and it has no bona fides, in religious terms, to put it on a par with fundamentalism. The texts themselves are unequivocal: they are perfect in all their parts. By their light, religious moderation appears to be nothing more than an unwillingness to fully submit to God’s law. By failing to live by the letter of the texts, while tolerating the irrationality of those who do, religious moderates betray faith and reason equally. Unless the core dogmas of faith are called into question—i.e., that we know there is a God, and that we know what he wants from us—religious moderation will do nothing to lead us out of the wilderness."

Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on March 17, 2009, 09:22:15 AM
Look I don't appreciate the insinuations calling I n I religious fanatics
and I am proud to be a little bit crazy
yes Mystics of all ages have been called "crazy" by mainstream
and most of the stories of the prophets in the bible and other scriptures would have been deemed grandiouse and schizo for having visions, talking to angels and "God"
from what I have read, the immaculate conception was an implant by off-planet advanced beings from "Hoova", the planet that Yesus and the Jahoova Hebrew people came from...howeva, I have no personal Isonal experience of the reality of this, so I can't verify it
I do , however have a deep Inection with His and Her Majesty and they assure I, there is a basis of truth in the Ible
and it wasn't just the conception the I mentioned, walking on water and such, well the Yogis of India have been defying the "laws" of the solidness of matter, for eva since, lkike I
Posted on: March 17, 2009, 10:13:21 AM
Like i say, the book mentioned is a great eye/I opener and I think, clarifies the bible hugely
Many of the Indian Holy people have a better overstanding of Spirituality than most western men and women, that is why the gestation of the Rastas was in the reasoning of the Indians and African Diaspora folks ova the chalwa and chalice, smokin up the lambs bread n Kali Shiva Herb in JA
Indian culture values meditation, and studies the experiential spiritual writings of saints, yogis n Sadus of millenia, it becomes more real when it ceases to be an intellectual exercise and becomes a living relationship, is all I know
Jah Bless
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: surfmon_I on March 17, 2009, 09:29:27 AM
Greetings,  I would like to humbly address the last post I made and respond to Bredren Knowledge.  
  Bredren, chat is usually where I have found the best place to meet and get to know what is behind the person that post.  It is a place we get to think on our fingers, in the moment, and this can be a beautiful thing as we get to know one another.  On this site, the chat room is a lonely place of late.  It leaves us with the words and Ideas and icons that represent we as a member/person.
  Knowledge, I must say that the persentation and follow through of method of resoning is something to give the I respect for.  I apologize for the rudeness of flavor of my post.  It is probably frustration with the flow always being combative rather than collective.
Recently, due to the lack of this very quality, I have been visiting another board and the difference between the two is quite astonishing.  It resulted in attendance of a Rastafari Rising meeting where I met some elders and was able to spend some time and get to know them as I was invited to stay the night instead of sleeping in the car.  Spending the night with these two Bredren, reasoning face to face was/is a very valuable experience of which I can only hope there will be more.  
  Straight English is fine as the point is more important than  the confusing I~speak.  It is alright for fun, and flavor, but more times then not it sound foolish coming from ones that do not live in the Islands where Rastafari culture formed up.
  As far as the Bible, well, it has been 4 years now and I am still not at the New Testament.  I am sure that we would be in agreement on many things from the words the I has written, but the mocking tone I refer to is AnyOne that feels the desire to put down the faith of others.
"There is no greater day of gratitude and joy for Christians than celebrating the birthday of Our Savior Jesus Christ." ~ words of HIM.  Now, if we were chatting in the room and showing our views as to the implications of such a statement, it would be fine.  But, on a rasta forum, I think that Ones should respect the teachings of His Majesty.  I know of alternate stories of Rabbi Jesus which go against the passed down teachings of the Roman church, yet there is a time and place and audience for such things.  I see it as a sticky topic, for how could Rastafari people whom sight His Majesty as The Power of the Trinity, have to use the Roman "trinity" to validate themselves?.  Unless we see the power of the Bible as Esoteric in which case it becomes illusory.  There are many Rasta that use the Bible and Ones should not be belittle the faith of others.  Immaculate conception or not.

  Who a dem?,  As long as I have been here, so has he.  On other boards, it is all the same.  Rastas are not rasta, Rastafari or anything but false pretenders.  So it go.  One thing I have learned is that it is NOT about unity and Love to all people.  To many Rasta it is about Equal Rights and Justice.  Still to others, it is about Revolution and still others it is about the nature of violence as a means to an end.
  I have no need to defend Elijah, for he needs NO ONE.  I on the other hand feel that we are connected and there is a purpose to our meetings.  If we look with our hearts and our eyes, we can see that we really are speaking of the same things unless we choose to see the differences and bring them to the forefront of our rhetoric or even use them as the driving force as a wedge.
I think it fruitless to try and water a dead plant.  I have often wondered how many of the 2,377 posts are positive and serve others.  I have a feeling not many,  but we each learn and grow, so I have hope...
  Dear Bredren, I have been at a loss of words lately.  Although I had a Blessed Meeting with the two Elders,  I am in a period of self reflection and I had no right to step out and write those words not having the power, at the moment, to clearly outline reasoning in such a way as the I.  It has been a lesson in reasoning and humility, and for that I give Thanks !.  I am not above admitting wrong, and strive to learn from such shared wisdom.
 ~S~
  

  
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Knowledge on March 17, 2009, 11:41:14 AM
Hail Surfmon

I give nuff respect to the response from de I and it certainly clarifies some of the issues I addressed.
I would also like to take the opportunity to state, that no one knows the fullness of the mysteries that encompass us.
But we try to gain an overstanding! I would not profess to be the all knowing and all seeing one far from it.
But I have seen enough and I know enough to know that things are not right! The system would have us adopt as gospel - pardon the pun,
things that no sensible person would accept without objective proof or intelligent reasoning!

I accept that my fault (if it is a fault) is that I don't accept things without swirling it around first and seeing if it really stands up to objective scrutiny! I have learned that although individuals are important, the most crucial thing (that which matters most) is the livity that they express/demonstrate. For too long Men have placed an unnatural preeminence upon personalities (anthropomorphic-ism) which is fair enough -all's fair in love and war. But the down-slide is that Sheeople (people) are just too afraid to even ask the most relevant questions for fear of been ridiculed, chastised or even worse!

Personally I am a seeker, I am trying to find out certain things whilst I am passing through this dimension/dispensation. I think it's important to try and obtain at least a little overstanding about the world we live in (as oppose to the Earth we live on). I note your remarks re the Bible and I would say that if one wants to read the book -then why not? But also bear in mind that it is not necessarily the source of information they may think it is! I always find that Biblical and Historical issues are like a zip, both sides have to be aligned for it to work properly. But history and the bible are two entirely different things in terms of what they record. I am fully aware that History has been manipulated in as much the same way as the bible, and for that reason, amongst many, I don't accept the bible in the same way as others do!

However, the real issue is about focus, inside each of us resides divine attributes which have been purposefully made to lay dormant!
These attributes can be experienced when a person meditates or prays to whomsoever they believe they should pray to. The system; in my humble opinion, uses it's many influences to harness this focus to reinforce the mental slavery and maintain our prisoner/serf status.
The best (or worse) prison is one without walls, the most effective kind of incarceration is when you don't even realise that your are
an incarcerated prisoner!

There are many roads to salvation, emancipation or redemption I am trying to to get there, if I can show a one food for thought whilst on my trod. Then that is good enough for me!  However, although I may regularly highlight those issues that matter I don't believe in dictating to ones how they must find themselves.


One Love
Health and Strength to de I
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 17, 2009, 01:29:27 PM
"but the mocking tone I refer to is AnyOne that feels the desire to put down the faith of others."

It's interesting that many feel it is wrong for others to "mock" someones faith which if it is the faith they are mocking than i would agree because faith is a personal understanding. If it is the written dogma that someone is mocking than that is different, it is perfectly acceptable to question and scrutinize written dogma and if it turns out to be against all things known to the natural order of life so far as we know it in this "modern" time then to mock it is understandable. I think the word "Mock" may not be the correct word, but, to an individual with certain deep attachments to such written dogma it would seem mocking, but in the bigger picture of the subject it would be a natural example of something ludicrous and therefore whenever there is discussion of it would come a tone of "are you for real".

Bredrin Surfmon you know I and you also know by my posts that i don't disrespect the teaching or the man himself we know as Rastafari, the personal faith of His Majesty means little to me because that is his personal journey and not mine, the importance of the man to me is his very distant bloodline and political and moral attributes which he expressed during a variety of emotional times for him and the world at large. To me there are 2 types of followers of Rastafari, there are the ones who see a deep connection of this man to an ancient bloodline going far far back into Nubian ancestry and beyond to a time when humanity was in it's infancy and bloodlines were created by the Gods to rule man, this ancestry is unique and filled with many interesting (to the I) "what if's", his strength and character are examples to these Rastas on how to live and walk through life and form the nucleous within them, every example of human behaviour can be recognized by knowing him and his life and can be a used for support and guidance in ones own. The 2nd type of Rasta is the ones who see a connection to the writings in the bible (not necessarily the Koran, Rig Vedas, Purans etc, etc) like revelations, and other areas, this is there only tangible connection to say this man is God or he is divine or a reborn again Jesus etc, etc. These constantly need the bible to hold claim to such things, usually by cherry picking only certain writings while discarding or consciously avoiding other outlandish passages. I am of the former type and so my clarity of biblical writings and other such writings is not construed by faith or fear or by my personal like of His Majesty, it is in this regard that im able to honestly approach such writings and objectively scrutinize them which to some it seems mocking on my part. The problem i have with the followers of religion is not there personal journey with "faith" for who am i to interfere with that, but, with the words written down in these so called Holy books themselves. Many say unconsciously "to each there own, believe whatever you wish" and that is fine, to an extent and can help mature people to get along and live peacefully side by side, but, there is the other extreme that says "I can kill you, hurt you, destroy you because God says so" and guess what....there right...God or the "words" do say it is acceptable and that is the danger, it is the "words" themselves which i mock, they are written and there is no changing that, it is the moral and ethical maturity that seperates wether i accept that there just words by fallible man or words by the creator of all and un challingable, and living in these times is the same as back then when Muslims extremist believing in martyrdom and Christian extremist believing in the rapture create a very bad recipe for humanities future. This is my beef with the Holy books when taken in the litteral sense, i see in these books esoteric truths about man and nature but unfortunately when you try to discuss such observations they are taken by many to be a mockery, pagan, heathen, satanic or what have you and so your left to deal with the exoteric value, and when you examine the exoteric value you quickly see (if you are being honest) there is no value only misguided teachings on morality and ethics...this is why we are today the dangerous religious world we live in. Science in my understanding of things does not have all the truths and in many ways is quite far from those they claim are true, but i propose a question to all:

"Think of a question in which we once had a scientific answer, but, for which now we have a religious one of better understanding for humanity."???

One love bredrin, the I knows my deep respect for the Surfmon.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Knowledge on March 17, 2009, 02:15:57 PM
Greetings to Human and Father Surfmon cah de I dem a 5 star General inna dis ya ting yah and Iman just a come (ha hah)

I rate de I them for the same reason but different aspects still.

Surfmon is a veteran and I know him know nuff tings, But I respect him more so, because him will take time to consider a point of view, and respond accordingly. If the reply to his views are vexing, him will take it away and ponder it before giving a considered and measured response - That is a quality that has to get a massive forward from me.

As for the bredrin Human, him done know already, but same way Iman a salute that bredrin deh , cah when him start fling down reasoning, then almighty god know if you don't have an (proverbial) umbrella or even a boat too; you will drown under fi him reasoning, when him ready fe rain down common sense, it all wash away people, like Ivan and Katrina wash away people house! Whereas with Iman, is just rinse, me rinse dem ;D 

So I just a hail up dem ites yah and all the other Ites like them who a seek positiveness.

Just for those at the back of the class, Get me right, I nah follow dem but I ah hail them same way.... :D

Health and Strength 
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: I ELIJAH I on March 17, 2009, 10:12:48 PM
How about this, You half wit jealous wannabe commoners keep burning in hell while I and I laugh? :)
You know after two thousand posts of offending the natural order by even breathing in your pitiful directions, whats a follow up? Thanks for the service in promoting your half truth idiocy and leading this whole "rastafari movement" into the perdition you call "home". Goyish Bloodclots swooning over their own psuedo-sophisticated hype. Blessed Love! I could not have lead the sheep away from the truth better myself, and that's saying something! In short, Burn as your ancestors Burn. You are eternally rejected mistakes. Rastafari savors the day you wail in vain for mercy.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Knowledge on March 18, 2009, 01:10:07 PM
Yet more foolish from dem a who!
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 18, 2009, 01:44:19 PM
More youtube comment mentality.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: I ELIJAH I on March 18, 2009, 02:12:44 PM
None of this has to do with the Rastafarian Faith because none of you know anything about the Rastafarian faith, you just come to leech off the name and rally with fellow rejects.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Knowledge on March 18, 2009, 03:16:53 PM
None of this has to do with the Rastafarian Faith because none of you know anything about the Rastafarian faith, you just come to leech off the name and rally with fellow rejects.

Again more low-ites nonsense from dem a who!!

Listen and try to understand me; I don't defend faith as a concept, because to put it as simply as possible; faith is is essentially putting your trust into things that you don't know. Yes, granted that these might be the things which you believe to be sound; but then doesn't belief in itself leave room for doubt? That must be why de enlightened ones always tell a one to KNOW THEMSELVES. As a further point of clarification; The things I talk about when I refer to Rastafari Livity are those things that I know (or seek to know) about. They are not merely things which I am led to 'simply' believe that I must have faith in.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: I ELIJAH I on March 18, 2009, 05:01:56 PM
That's fine, all the more reason for you and your poodle crew to find waddling grounds that aren't faith based.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Knowledge on March 19, 2009, 11:30:33 AM

That's fine, all the more reason for you and your poodle crew to find waddling grounds that aren't faith based.

I see what Human is getting at regarding your You Tube mentality!!

I accept that it is indeed your purpose to defend the system by -posting distorting and convoluted gibberish.
I know your primary purpose is to cloud vision and stile clarity. We all have roles to play. However notwithstanding the above,
The most notable thing I know about you; is that you don't know anything about that which matters most.

You have the temerity to quote your foolishness and expect people to take it as reasoning. It just to goes to show the contempt
which reinforces your thinking. You take Zionist nonsense (or more to the point your version of it) and seek to blend it with the little
it's and bits of Rastafari which you have picked up from of the internet and other places, then under the supervision of your controllers, you blend it up into some fantasy/delusional concept, then you start submitting this gobbledygook and expect us to accept that this a serious reasoning. More the fool you.

Indeed that is why you are just forced to adopt the sniper tactics of the little fool. It's the fact that you have been exposed for what you are and not just because you cannot come back with any sustainable points which has forced you to retreat and settle, somewhat forcing you to just submit nonsense, which is designed to prevent the truth being revealed.

Maybe some little youts who have just found about  Rasta -wha day (the other day), might take in your cock and bull, maybe even some long time ites who have been taught the systematical interpretation of livity might listen to what you say. Which is the purpose of your seemingly mindless waffle.

But there are those of us who done know about Rastafari or/and other enlightening concepts/livity's, who are, because of that knowledge, now seeking to transcend the horizon. We already know you.  We know your limitations, which coincidentally you have just demonstrated.

Yeah judging by your latest post, your brain might be strong, but your mind is feeble   
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: I ELIJAH I on March 19, 2009, 11:47:33 AM
You cannot transcend a horizon without first standing on a point that causes one. You didn't at all address the fact that this board is declared to be a discussion of faith which as you said you can't defend in the first place. Meaning, as if i need to tell anyone, you have no business here, transcendence or otherwise, you are just another infiltrating disruptor sucking blood. Thats the way its supposed to, part of being righteous is dealing with people who resent the truth because they are forced to stand in its exposing light and ...achem... crucify you for it.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 19, 2009, 01:05:51 PM
Ras Tafari Hailie Selassie is a man, not faith. Discussing Hailie Selassie does not need faith in anything only a desire to learn more about him and his teachings. You on the other hand need "faith" to accept his Majesty, you need "Faith" to overide your inner voice which tells you certain things don't add up, you need "Faith" to obscure clear as day passages in the "Holy" books which contradict each other, sometimes on the same page. This is a public forum to discuss many things "including" faith as one of them, if you feel this is not acceptable then you can go and start your own "faith" based forum on Rastafari.

You cannot have a "faith" based forum on Rastafari and then spit on his community and followers for having a difference in there views from yours.

If people really wish to see how not to become in light of Rastafari they need only to go back a few short years and read your posts, there they will see a young boy who admittedly knew very little himself of Rastafari or the holy books and was understanding of others journey's and who in a few short years grew not into a man knowledgeable of his Majesty or love for his people, but, a disgruntled, confused, angry, arrogant, vainful asshole of a youth, determined to undermine the greatness of Rastafari by slandering his fellow humans who long to learn more about him, instead of the illusion of race and color and religious background falling away with each internal truth coming into the light by experience and understanding of self and the universe you fell deeper and deeper into the illusion, you became all that Rastafari struggled to conquer in his life and tried to show the world we need to do without, you became BABYLON itself, this poison that you have let control you you now need to express to the world hiding behind words like "faith" and "rastafari" and at the same time promoting the poison and showing it inside you with such desires as "burning in hell" for people, "blood to the wolves", "death and eternal damnation" and other indoctrinated Roman slave mentality thoughts, you are Babaylon in all it's glory, a perfect human example and product of the envoirment we know as BABYLON, congratulations little boy.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: I ELIJAH I on March 19, 2009, 01:38:19 PM
Apparently you haven't been informed that Rastafari, HIM Haile Selassie I is more that just a man, He is the Almighty Creator of the Heavens and Earth which is why Nick made a place to discuss as it says on the front the Rastafarian Faith, There is an "other" section for lets say..."other" people, and "other" discussions. Yet not only do you need to consistently bring discussions that have nothing to do with faith much less the Rastafarian one you bring ones that are openly hostile to it and all faiths. This is a common violent schism of those incapable of truly approaching the divine. I don't know who or what a "follower" of Rastafari is, but if they act as appears often the case in a way that according to OUR faith is derisive then I will indeed proverbially spit on them. I believe you've actually personally experienced this as a matter of fact. Further more if those at risk of losing their psuedo-community and livelihood of propagating vampiristic hype weren't so intent on protecting their counter culture cult identity, an actually discussion about the Rastafarian Faith could be had where in the confusion so often demonstrated in those regards could eliminated which I had thought was the purpose of this forum and  indeed for those cabable of reading in between the lines one that has been accomplished albeit indirectly.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Knowledge on March 19, 2009, 02:05:42 PM
When I hail H.I.M. Selassie I, I hail him, not worship him, it is the livity which I am following, the livity which is symbolized by his manifestation. It is the fresh perspective that has been allowed to develop in the wake of his material trod on earth. It is because I note that from his coronation in 1930, the colonial empire as it stood then has crumbled. The British up to the time of the ascension of H.I.M, used to control a vast empire, which since the coronation, has crumbled and vanished in terms of what it once was. So I can see with my own eyes that the coronation of H.I.M. was a catalyst for the breaking of the seven seals ...as they put it!

It was a wake up call for those who were lost, to go and find themselves and seek for the truth. But it also allowed I to really take a hard look at God and the nature of God!  Indeed there are many gods, and many faiths, but there is only one true and unqualified absolute.
If you believe god is a man, then you believe that. If you believe that god is a force a spirit, then believe that, I am a searcher, a seeker,
I know that the the Anthropomorphic spin that is put on god is based upon the nature of men and the need to conceptually define god through their own perceptions.

 In terms of the spiritual aspect, that is from my viewpoint, something that is within each and everyone of us, It is the consciousness that uses our bodies to transport it through the material prison we live within.  It is dormant and trapped within us because we are trapped and totally dependent upon the system, so we do not use those senses which are to all intents and purposes, essentially not designed to function in the material world, particularly in one which has been purposefully built to inhibit spirituality or for want of a better term deny consciousness.

I don't inhibit or seek to inhibit anyone from discussing their faith good for them! I am just stating that I don't don't defend faith in itself as a concept. Faith alone cannot move mountains - you have to put a work into it. Faith without works = Death. That is what I am saying.
I was not aware that asking questions and seeking answers is a sin, to use churlish terms.

You can't read anywhere in any of my posts where I am dissing the King or burning Rastafari, which is what you do regularly. Hypocrite!

Posted on: March 19, 2009, 02:52:36 PM
Apparently you haven't been informed that Rastafari, HIM Haile Selassie I is more that just a man, He is the Almighty Creator of the Heavens and Earth

How you work that out? How did H.I.M. (who by the way done tell you him is not god, but art of Judah) create heaven and earth?
Don't H.I.M. born in 1892?  I thought the earth was about 4billion years old and the heavens older than that, so I just want you to show us 
what exactly you a chat bout!

I want you explain to me in language which we can all understand what you (and I mean you) mean when you say that. 
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: I ELIJAH I on March 19, 2009, 02:27:12 PM
Actually "A faith with out works is dead" But if you do not defend faith as a "concept" itself in the first place then there is no chance for it to be live or dead. And works without a living faith are just as dead.
Posted on: March 19, 2009, 03:06:27 PM
HIM "done tell Us" he is G-d. I and I theology regarding the Lion of Judah is that He is G-d who created the Universe basically with His Imagination. This is not really for everyone to overstand. But I figured since it seemed like ones were interested in discussing with those of us who see this that I would open myself to the dialog.
Posted on: March 19, 2009, 03:19:34 PM
But instead you all just front. So ashamed by your ignorance you refuse to acknowledge it, and thus perpetuate it while taking your frustrations out on anyone who tries to help. Trying in vain to profane the holy, you thus affirm it.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Knowledge on March 19, 2009, 04:30:52 PM
Apparently you haven't been informed that Rastafari, HIM Haile Selassie I is more that just a man, He is the Almighty Creator of the Heavens and Earth .

But you are not answering my question. I asked you to give me an answer to what you claim above and this is the kind of foolishness you come back with. Where did you get that from? from within your imagination I suppose! I would have expected you to come with something based in fact some thing we could at least go away meditate upon and discern the merits thereof. But all you have done is come out with your faith. Like I said faith in itself is putting your trust into what you don't know. But rather than accept the truth of that fact you are just babbling.

It is better for a one to say "I don't know but I am putting my faith into it", rather than hanging on to blind faith in itself as a concept. seen.  Whether the King made the Omniverse, Universe, or Multiverse is a concept of its own. But just so the discerning reader is aware. I hope to find that answer out whilst on my search for the truth. But I am not afraid to say that, and I would prefer to say that rather than make an outlandish claim which I cant back up, as is the case here, lesson being that in those circumstances when you can't back up your assertions learn that sometimes silence is golden. Or it makes far more sense than your little piece of childish gibberish.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: I ELIJAH I on March 19, 2009, 06:31:31 PM
That's an excellent supposition. I cannot imagine the agony of one who separates such from fact. No one can simultaneously "Hail His Majesty" and Define Faith as Unknown. And the point remains that I and I should not have to constantly defend faith from attack on a board meant to discuss its intricacies. The ignorance of its enemies does however provide great insight into its nature as I mentioned. So give thanks for that, the time for celebration away from the accuser a soon come. Many people simply do not have "the eyes" and are not "of the spirit" to consider the supernatural. Fortunately I and I are not one of them and enjoy the never ending fountain of immortality that is knowledge of His Majesties omnipotence. Babylon would want we to keep quiet about this but the sound only about to get louder. No explanations necessary or possible, but its still fun to watch the duppy come expect it as if his understanding was a consideration.
Posted on: March 19, 2009, 06:26:34 PM
If your going to suck it up and be of the world at least be more than a two bit hype clot flexing some wannabe professor gutter folly.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Knowledge on March 20, 2009, 11:13:53 AM
Again you go 'around the houses' with your answers.

You state  :-
That's an excellent supposition. I cannot imagine the agony of one who separates such from fact. No one can simultaneously "Hail His Majesty" and Define Faith as Unknown.

I suppose you may have a point there, but then again that is your opinion isn't it? However, within the context of what I have written and what I am pursuing, that is  irrelevant.

Contrary to your argument I choose to differ and assert the fact that ; of course a one can hail his H.I.M. and define faith as putting one's trust into the unknown! Just for clarification sakes (for you and the readers who are reading this) I said I hail (but not worship) H.I.M. I have explained about some of things which lead I to acknowledge H.I.M. for instance,the fact that his elevation to the throne (coronation) has been the catalyst for the crumbling of the Babylonian/British empire. So I fail to see the point you are making here.

As I stated before, every one has a point of view which they feel leads them towards accepting H.I.M.! The acceptance I refer to is according to their individual perception, (freedom of choice-not indoctrination) You may not be aware, hidden in your little corner, but if you travel and meet with Ras, and others, you would find some say H.I.M. is a living God, some say H.I.M. is the Lion of Judah. Some say that H.I.M. is a great King/Statesmen who has signalled the revival of Nubian thinking in context to history and also biblically, and so on, one ting with Rasta is that each and everyone feel the Dreator in their own way -Is not about writs and rites, it's about a fufilment of consciousness
and overstanding.  So as you can see (but won't accept) there is many who see and acknowledge H.I.M. but the way they perceive him is vastly different, depending upon the teachings and knowledge they pick up on the way.

Many people simply do not have "the eyes" and are not "of the spirit" to consider the supernatural. Fortunately I and I are not one of them and enjoy the never ending fountain of immortality that is knowledge of His Majesties omnipotence. Babylon would want we to keep quiet about this but the sound only about to get louder.

Again your reasoning sums up the total of your thinking and overstanding!
I personally accept that H.I.M. is the catalyst for a major phase of livity in terms of the earth. However, when a someone starts telling me that H.I.M. created the the Earth and the Heavens, then I would expect them to, at the very least to show me how they arrive at that conclusion. I am not saying "because I don't take that on board that the person is automatically crazy", I just want the person to show me something! Which is definitely not the case here!

If we accept H.I.M created the earth, never mind the universe, then the issue for me is that flesh has a finite time before it decays, although not beyond the realms of impossibility, I am not convinced that H.I.M. Emperor Hallie Selassie I as we knew him in the 20th Century, is the same person/entity (to the fullness thereof) who created the Earth and all that is found therein. Not when H.I.M. manifested in 1892. But as I said it is the truth I am searching for, and whereas I may put faith into something, the placing of faith is not something I choose to do based on superstitious nonsense and manipulation of facts and probably and more importantly, the suppression of the truth.

I don't mind anybody hailing the King, why should I? I just have issues with people who quote and fling their own notions without any supportable evidence and then go on to claim that they are the authority on the issues that they decline to clarify.

One last thing; unlike you, I don't set out to stand-under anything. It is overstanding I am searching for.




Posted on: March 20, 2009, 11:52:32 AM
Again you go 'around the houses' with your answers.

You state  :-
Quote from: A WHO DEM?! on March 19, 2009, 07:31:31 PM
That's an excellent supposition. I cannot imagine the agony of one who separates such from fact. No one can simultaneously "Hail His Majesty" and Define Faith as Unknown.

I suppose you may have a point there, but then again that is your opinion isn't it? However, within the context of what I have written and what I am pursuing, that is  irrelevant.

Contrary to your argument I choose to differ and assert the fact that ; of course a one can hail his H.I.M. and define faith as putting one's trust into the unknown! Just for clarification sakes (for you and the readers who are reading this) I said I hail (but not worship) H.I.M. I have explained about some of things which lead I to acknowledge H.I.M. for instance,the fact that his elevation to the throne (coronation) has been the catalyst for the crumbling of the Babylonian/British empire. So I fail to see the point you are making here.

As I stated before, every one has a point of view which they feel leads them towards accepting H.I.M.! The acceptance I refer to is according to their individual perception, (freedom of choice-not indoctrination) You may not be aware, hidden in your little corner, but if you travel and meet with Ras, and others, you would find some say H.I.M. is a living God, some say H.I.M. is the Lion of Judah. Some say that H.I.M. is a great King/Statesmen who has signalled the revival of Nubian thinking in context to history and also biblically, and so on, one ting with Rasta is that each and everyone feel the Creator in their own way -Is not about writs and rites, it's about a fulfillment of consciousness
and fulfillment.  So as you can see (but won't accept) there is many who see and acknowledge H.I.M. but the way they perceive him is vastly different, depending upon the teachings and knowledge they pick up on the way.

Quote from: A WHO DEM?! on March 19, 2009, 07:31:31 PM
Many people simply do not have "the eyes" and are not "of the spirit" to consider the supernatural. Fortunately I and I are not one of them and enjoy the never ending fountain of immortality that is knowledge of His Majesties omnipotence. Babylon would want we to keep quiet about this but the sound only about to get louder.

Again your reasoning sums up the total of your thinking and overstanding!
I personally accept that H.I.M. is the catalyst for a major phase of livity in terms of the earth. However, when a someone starts telling me that H.I.M. created the the Earth and the Heavens, then I would expect them to, at the very least to show me how they arrive at that conclusion. I am not saying "because I don't take that on board that the person is automatically crazy", I just want the person to show me something! Which is definitely not the case here!

If we accept H.I.M created the earth, never mind the universe, then the issue for me is that flesh has a finite time before it decays, although not beyond the realms of impossibility, I am not convinced that H.I.M. Emperor Hallie Selassie I as we knew him in the 20th Century, is the same person/entity (to the fullness thereof) who created the Earth and all that is found therein. Not when H.I.M. manifested in 1892. But as I said it is the truth I am searching for, and whereas I may put faith into something, the placing of faith is not something I choose to do based on superstitious nonsense and manipulation of facts and probably and more importantly, the suppression of the truth.

I don't mind anybody hailing the King, why should I? I just have issues with people who quote and fling their own notions without any supportable evidence and then go on to claim that they are the authority on the issues that they decline to clarify.

One last thing; unlike you, I don't set out to stand-under anything. It is overstanding I am searching for.

Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: I ELIJAH I on March 20, 2009, 11:39:31 AM
Expecting a methodology to explain how G-d created the Universe is to have the nature of such an assertion go over your head to begin with. It is an inner knowing learned through experience and is beyond the realm of mundane communication. It is not something that one can "show" another, each must see for themselves.  This much can even go unsaid for anyone actually seeking such knowledge instead of stroking their third grader ego over the internet to make themselves feel smart and cause doubt. No one actually believes you want to be shown this or are even interested in this, your just taunting Rastafari with your worldyness as if we should care. Rally the devils. Only a fool would feign to ask a question about something in which he did not even believe. Its just evil spirit vexation, harassment.  Thank JAH that we have a difference of opinion. Over who is to be recognized as Rastafari among other things. You can travel the world and find all manner of opinion but let me tell you from experience, 99.9% is vanity. The path is narrow and G-ds servants few. I and I will Itinue to Praise Loudly JAH RASTAFARI by his terrible name and speak of his wonders, let them come, fight, and fall.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: surfmon_I on March 20, 2009, 11:54:49 AM
Ises,
  If We respect the culture we rally to and as tribe forward, there are bound to be differences in opinion.  WithIn the house of Rastafari there are many rooms and some Hail while others worship, still one roof.

  I am not into trying to be what I am not.  Internet falseness and cloaking a Babylon folly, all the while the children go hungry for food ( of both types).

  faith is not an unfounded and blind.  It IS defined as  "alligence to duty or a person"  ~  this is not random.  It is a specific charge due to ones being led to a livity driven on a inner frequency/level

  Who a Dem ~  Please try to come and see that no one is forcing  you to change anything other than this violent and degrading wordage used.  It is a distraction, and I feel that if the I has no ability to reflect pon the love this is intended with, then you are only ripping this site appart.  It has been this way for as long as I have been on here, AND other sites.  Usually the end game is members going negative, and you getting Banned (as has happened on World of JAH) ~ a site I have started to frequent, and have found to be a center for elders to Blaze (not the I am one of them).  What is interesting is that I respectfully read and engage with an open heart, and am always willing to be shown sides I do not see Iself, but you are the only one that directly attacks with derision.  Please, know that I see the I as a fountian~ I wish for JAH to show you the power of love that would refresh rather than smother.

 Bredren Human and Knowledge, I would like to say Thanks for the reasoning in a manner that at least tries to hold to some sense of decorum.  It is here, though we have not many elders on site any more, that the I should stay as far as showing and teaching the ways of Reason with a LoveFull heart.  Humble and secure.  (even though I wish that devil Icon Bredren Knowledge has would disappear, lol)

  OneLove. Still.
    Haile I.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 20, 2009, 12:06:45 PM
Respect Surfmon, here's a tune jus for you Iya.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eU4TpKwHd8&feature=related
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: I ELIJAH I on March 20, 2009, 12:27:40 PM
Why would you flatter yourself to assume I thought anyone much less unu's had the power to force on me anything?  LOLOL Seriously that is hilarious! Like I said, the falseness of the whole Rastafari Internet Evolution serves indirectly as the best educational tool We could have asked for. Only those who know better than to believe a word will learn a thing! And that's just the entrance exam. The last thing I would want is to refresh supremely positioned cannon fodder before they serve out their "term". All the better if the "generals" keep calling the trench's "under the roof of the mansion" too. Big up Urself
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Knowledge on March 20, 2009, 03:56:25 PM
Expecting a methodology to explain how G-d created the Universe is to have the nature of such an assertion go over your head to begin with. It is an inner knowing learned through experience and is beyond the realm of mundane communication. It is not something that one can "show" another, each must see for themselves. 

You really make me laugh. I come to and try enter into a discourse with you, to see, based upon your assertions what you really know when you are saying certain tings; and again, albeit in a cloud/flurry of words, you flee from me yet again.

But anyway I will just brush some of  your points, before I answer Maas Surfmon.

You talk about inner learning, but you don't show any of it. All you appear to want (on top of the other isms I have already highlighted) is to come across as the person who burns the reddest fire and cuss the most bad word, words which I have to assume you have picked up from records, tapes and maybe some Jamaican patios dictionary! Your problem is that you are listening to too much Capleton, Sizzla and the like.   

You talk about Hallie Selassie I, but yet, I don't read one thing factual or heartical for that matter that you have actually about his majesty.
Granted you submit your imagined points about H.I.M. but I don't get one reasoning from yo, which would even to remotely begin to suggest that you understand (within your own self) what you are submitting about TAFARI.  I would contrast that would the view I gave about H.I.M. and how that signify to me a phase change, to the discerning reader, even that brief view point is tangible insofar as they can see that what I feel is backed up by History which we all can see and know. Instead when you are loss for words you come out with gibberish and cuss words to try and mask your short comings or should I say fun-da-man-telly (fundamentally) flawed arguments.
As I said you brain might be big but you mind feeble.

Only a fool would feign to ask a question about something in which he did not even believe.
The quote above just goes show to show how conceited you are. Just focusing on the term feign, it doesn't make any sense, because if you are referring to myself -which I assume you are- then I am not I am pretending! I am asking the question. But moving on further,
There are lots of people and many of them the so called wisest, who asked asked about things, even the things they did not believe in.
How else you going to know about things? Even H.I.M. sent his people out to the west to learn things about technology and other functions to bring back in order to improve Ethiopia. 

I would not mind but the level of awareness you show about Rastafari is minimal. But at the end of the day I am not going to chant you down over that, I would rather show you correction. A so Selassie I, stay! H.I.M. always advocated obtaining knowledge and to reason in order to obtain higher Overstanding. But that is not what you are saying or more to the point manifesting. Rather you are just a hater!
JAH Rastafari - Godhead, First Source and Creator, is the final arbiter -not you, or have you lost site of that? JUDGE NOT LESS YE BE JUDGED.

Greetings Father Surfmon.

Again I have to hail up de I, because de I totally overs what I am dealing with; when I use the term hail as oppose to worship, you also know what I am talking about when I explain what I am dealing with in terms of belief and faith. But for them at the back of the class, I am not saying faith is bad, what I am saying is the faith must be put into something/someone and be supported by works. Faith alone is ultimately death! A some serious reasoning I am dealing with, not too dissimilar to all Mutabaruka and some of dem elders, who deh weh me deh and a head to where I am trying to reach. As you say it is a inner frequency which propels I.

As for the devil tag; Don't read too much into that father. That little cute cartoon character is just that, a cute little cartoon character.  ;)





Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 20, 2009, 05:59:13 PM
Respect due Knowledge, i find myself writing long posts, then listen to my intuition and erase them and wait, and what i get in return is lyrics straight from de Lions mouth, bredrin the I has a great way with words and a smooth discourse under fire, I respect your writings and im happy to have the I here, it is nice to have bredrin like Surfmon and the I, welcome Ras.


Yes Elijah I foreshadow your response already and it's comical, but by all means fire away.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: paco on March 21, 2009, 04:40:03 AM
   i really injoy reading what  u all write. forme that includes prophet 7 too. of coarse i miss Fiyah, tree, negus etc..  juss a suggestion, don't take dem serious. keep the board alive ! i wish the rasta youth would post up more, i could use they input.

 i livicate this vid to ALL of u's. long live Rasta !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp6ykdjFGkk&feature=PlayList&p=2A74405E3EE05D14&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=30

if that don't work try this juan/one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LnR0YkPFk8&feature=PlayList&p=2A74405E3EE05D14&index=31
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: I ELIJAH I on March 21, 2009, 08:46:39 AM
"JAH Rastafari - Godhead, First Source and Creator, is the final arbiter -not you..."

Tell yourselves whatever you need to. Ignorance only strengthens the truth making judgment more sure. ETERNAL FIRE ON A DUPPY COWARD SOUL. FIRE TO PROUD FOOLS. FIRE TO VAIN PAGAN BABYLON.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Knowledge on March 21, 2009, 10:51:15 AM
"JAH Rastafari - Godhead, First Source and Creator, is the final arbiter -not you..."

Tell yourselves whatever you need to. Ignorance only strengthens the truth making judgment more sure. ETERNAL FIRE ON A DUPPY COWARD SOUL. FIRE TO PROUD FOOLS. FIRE TO VAIN PAGAN BABYLON.

Again the quote above shows what you really are about. I am actually worried that you have become delusional and have lost grip on reality. I believe (room for doubt included) that from the viewpoint of the neutral observer, I had given sufficient explanation, or at the very least, enough reason to evoke a meaningful, but more to the point, an intelligent response from you. But what we get is more nonsense of the blood-fire variety!

As I have done stated already, When you a bun, you should not have an individual in your mind. It's the works that they do and perform and also the system they represent that is the focus for a word-sound burn. But you cannot accept that can you! The way you flex, is the way of MEN and by that I do mean specific and certain men! i.e Religious Zealots, which I suppose is inevitable if that is the way you have been indoctrinated.

Most religions (and certainly the big three) have developed and become what they are today not through freewill and the choice of the massive, rather they have become established and dominant through a history of extreme violence, brutality and brainwashing. Not free will!
They advocated and still do, the destroying of people who do not adhere to their way of thinking. They have agents who seek to ostracise and downpress those who do not accept that type of mentality.

Rastafari on the other hand is about choice and free will. It's about One Love and Overstanding. it's about being free, both mentally as well as physically. It's about acknowledging the works of the Creator and living in peace and One Love. That is the perspective I referred to when I say Rasta bring a fresh perspective. But that is not what you are hoping to achieve. You want to jsut lead people into disunity and bad vibes.

As I stated before, you cannot offer one wise word, not one real reasoning, not iota of transparency to the thinking behind your rants that presume to say Rastafari, but in reality is complete the opposite. For instance; I stated that "JAH Rastafari - Godhead, First Source and Creator, is the final arbiter -not you...". Now most Ras that I am aware of would agree with that statement, if not fully, then at least in principle. However, your response is  - "Tell yourselves whatever you need to. Ignorance only strengthens the truth making judgment more sure".   There is nothing there about acknowledging the veracity of the statement, neither is there an intelligent reasoning as to why my statement should be considered rubbish. Instead there is just the ravings of a delusional person, who has got so wrapped up within their jaundiced and misinformed view, that they cannot even begin to answer with any semblance of a sensible and factually sound reasoning or counter argument.

I just want readers to be aware that I do not seek to convert -dem a who-, or to score points over him. This exercise is purely there to show those who are new to this concept or are not sure of their trod, are made aware that there are individuals who pose as Ras, or other enlightened people and scream the loudest nonsense, but when they are asked to explain themselves, they descend into the type of hate filled gibberish that this individual so readily resorts to when placed under objective scrutiny. Indeed their works/words and deeds show them for what they really are.

Just to underline the point I am making, if we accepted that- A Who Dem- was on a higher Ites, then how is it that these things he claims to know, feel and imagine about Rastafari,  he cannot explain or reason? Indeed he gives (or should I say wants to give) the impression that him is too criss (self important) to be able to disseminate his reasoning to the rest of us, cos we are either too stupid or we are not worthy!!

His actions in direct contrast to the livity of H.I.M. Selassie I,  Selassie I was a man of overstanding, compassion and mercy. His teaching and examples were about seeking knowledge and disseminating information and insight to one another - EACH One Teach One. That was the underlying vibe. As Father Surfmon quite rightly states, "In my Father House there are many Mansions"... and in the Mansions there are many rooms".

It is noticeable that the way that you flex and the way you rant, is extremely rabbinical and that is putting it lightly. I don't judge you, but a piece of advice, go check back inside your self because the real Creator don't want us to flex like you. By the Real Creator I talking about The Creator who deals with One Love and compassion, not the god who you a praise who just a deal with bloodshed misery and materialism all the things that inspire religious zealots.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: I ELIJAH I on March 21, 2009, 11:47:22 AM
Its only a false entitlement mentality that assumes when something is not given it, it is because he who would give it is unable as opposed to unwilling. None of you are receptive to an explanation because you deny the existence of the entire realm of knowledge where it lies. You know this but are too ashamed to admit it, YOU ARE NOT OF THE SPIRIT! You look for some worldly intelligence to verify yourselves in the mind of the atheistic because your too proud for faith, so eager to please some authority of the earth so they can praise your "gumption", clearly you were neglected children, now waiting on everyone to give you a grand entrance for the little hour of work you put in, see mommy I can talk smart too, you were wrong to call me dumb. Your too cowardly to face the reality of your insignificant, iniquitous nature and so exist blind to real knowledge, smugly satisfied with your crumb as if it were a banquet.  As if your possession spites the creator of all. Quite a cry for help, but the response will always be the same, ingratitude, shamelessness, disqualifies all reason and logic, and your breach remains beyond repair. Until you accept correction, acknowledge your ignorance, it will oushine whatever else it is you think defines you.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: NegusNegustiality on March 21, 2009, 03:16:21 PM
Ises,
and this is why all of the I dem lef and gone to deal with next vibes.  This is bare foolishness, the King has already told Ini if there are 99 points we dont agree on and 1 we do, let Ini deal with that 1.  But yet the forum has become a festering breeding ground for the 99.  Then wonder why snl makes "ras trent" parodies using real terms in a mockery.

Elijah - nuff talk, you need to come off of the net and do some works and then come back and report the runnings. The amount of time and Inergy spent here is preposterous. Life is for the living not just for typing. Use your strength, internal fire, passion and Idurance for something more concrete than slaying cyberduppies, seen.  More life we say Elijah. Bless

Human - the faith that was spoken about is the "natural mystic", the force that has King Selassie I standing on an undetonated Italian warhead on the front page of almost every newspaper at that time.  Faith is what keeps poor people living, the innate knowledge that the Almighty has not left dem no time no day.  Give thanks still for the very relevant information

Natty - longtime nuh link, your works are seen.  Sometimes you should go and check the claims that ones make about the Torah and the Bible because most of them are correct.  Yes they may go against your theological position but are true nonetheless.  Just because there may be innaccuracies within scripture does not change Jah or the message, seen.  All I am saying is that when the thirdeye is opened to the realistic side of the scriptures, everything falls into place.  More strength, for the I will need it homeschooling 3 youths, lol.  Bless

Bring the civility forward to the site and ones may return. More honor, more joy, more life.

Rastafari
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 21, 2009, 04:24:10 PM
"Human - the faith that was spoken about is the "natural mystic", the force that has King Selassie I standing on an undetonated Italian warhead on the front page of almost every newspaper at that time.  Faith is what keeps poor people living, the innate knowledge that the Almighty has not left dem no time no day.  Give thanks still for the very relevant information"

Yes I, I agree to the fullest, the faith i was questioning is the one with talking snakes, burning bushes that literally talk, man walking on water, virgin women giving birth, the faith that goes against Nature and the natural order, one love to the I everytime, still love ya sameway.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: I ELIJAH I on March 21, 2009, 09:56:34 PM
Having a forum based on Rastafari faith isn't about fellowship with any which I about the 1 thing we might have in common. Its about teaching that I and I don't question any I's faith much less some mean spirited self aggrandizing mockery. Ones and Ones have or I should say had because the time is way gone when it could have made a difference to not let such foolery go on in the kings name. Instead the so called community left Judah hanging while they rallied their own folly into a dead end.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: prophet777 on March 22, 2009, 12:51:58 AM
I do not mean to go off the topic here but, I have some questions. Directed to one person and, is no way an attack or such, just some questions.

@natty threads

you say that the bible and Torah are facts/truth but, were they not written by man ? Now you may say yes but, through GODS will but, who can proove that ? What if these guys were just writing about things that already happened.

The reason I ask is because every scripture talks about the beginning of creation but, i.e., I do not see no dinosaurs mentioned there or any other ancient animals that are now being discovered. That would mean to I that there is  a lot - years and millions of years missing in both books. Now this is just an example. You may now say well there are many life forms that are here today that are not mentioned but, something as big as T-Rex !? I mean lions and camels and donkeys, etc.,etc., get mentioned but, something that big and even something else bigger is avoided ?

That is also a fact. There is proof out there. There is a tribe in Africa called the Dogon who knew more about the solar system, universe before any telescopes or any other modern technologies were created. Where did they get their information from ? It is not in the Bible or Torah but, they knew it ! They have a very different story/aspect/view on creation - you can now find it on the net if you wanna check it out.

There are many things on this earth that no Bible or Torah can ever explain and that to I is missing information. Missing information, missing facts, missing truth makes those books to I incomplete/lacking.
There are many things written in them that also can not be proven/have not been proved to be facts.

I opinion.

P7
Posted on: March 22, 2009, 12:35:00 AM
Just wanted to add....


According to the bible man is only 6000 years old. According to it, the first "man," Adam, appeared on this planet 6000 years ago. But man has been here much, much, very much longer. And there is proof of that. So this is fact and not some conspiracy. Something is wrong there.....very, very wrong.

Now I do not know what the Torah say about that but, I guess it is the same story. So I do not see how we can trust in half stories, stories that do not hold the real truth of I and I origins, in order to get to the full truth.

There are monuments, remains of buildings, man made things, etc.,etc., that are much older than Adam. How does that work if he was the first ? That right there is a lie and is written in a book that is supposed to hold truth and facts ?

Now like I said - I really do not want to start an argument . Just want you to ask yourself these questions and if you choose to, to answer to them.

P7
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Knowledge on March 23, 2009, 11:51:07 AM
Its only a false entitlement mentality that assumes when something is not given it, it is because he who would give it is unable as opposed to unwilling. None of you are receptive to an explanation because you deny the existence of the entire realm of knowledge where it lies. You know this but are too ashamed to admit it, YOU ARE NOT OF THE SPIRIT! You look for some worldly intelligence to verify yourselves in the mind of the atheistic because your too proud for faith, so eager to please some authority of the earth so they can praise your "gumption", clearly you were neglected children, now waiting on everyone to give you a grand entrance for the little hour of work you put in, see mommy I can talk smart too, you were wrong to call me dumb. Your too cowardly to face the reality of your insignificant, iniquitous nature and so exist blind to real knowledge, smugly satisfied with your crumb as if it were a banquet.  As if your possession spites the creator of all. Quite a cry for help, but the response will always be the same, ingratitude, shamelessness, disqualifies all reason and logic, and your breach remains beyond repair. Until you accept correction, acknowledge your ignorance, it will oushine whatever else it is you think defines you.


Yet again on reading the above I can see that you are lost. Totally Lost!! I had to laugh to see that you have gone back to the I elijah I moniker.

But anyway. Lets address you latest round of misinformation-come delusional chant!

The more you type, is the more apparent that is not JAH Rastafari you a hail/worship or defend. That is the most apparent thing. 
You write "that we are not receptive to an explanation". Well I for one; certainly knows that we could never expect to get a explanation from you (because you don't comprehend what it is you are ranting about). But in the absence of an explanation, a vex-planation would suffice, as opposed to the moronic and delusional tirade we get from you. If you don't know how to express your knowledge, then get a latter day Aaron to speak for you, just as Moses was supposed to have done. Even he had the foresight to understand that his tongue tied gabble would not be readily understood and therefore he got Aaron to speak for him.

Even if those events as written in the bible are not facts, the point that is being made here is, that it was apparent that the Higher Ites who Moses was -allegedly- communicating with, had a demonstrable wish that their message was disseminated out to the wider massive. So if as you claim, you do know about this 'higher reasoning' to which we are not aware?  Why keep it to yourself?

If Enoch went up to the higher level, as explained within the book of Enoch, and your namesake Elijah was supposed to have ascended, rather than endured the mortal call (death). Then why is it that these things are -(whether they transpired or not, and if they did happened, was it actually as per the documented account or merely a symbolic representation of actual events,)- publicly recorded?
That denotes someone, somewhere, deemed it necessary to make these events public knowledge, (or put another way), open these events to scrutiny.  So why is it you do the opposite and choose not disseminate this so called higher knowledge of yours!! Would it not be in sync with the teachings of the Most High for you to spread that knowledge? But then we already know the answer to that don't we??
Contrary to your assertion; I am always on the search for knowledge and certainly do not feel smug or satisfied with my crumb -as you so adequately phrase it.

You then go on to to dribble some foolish accusation about me ("You know this but are too ashamed to admit it, YOU ARE NOT OF THE SPIRIT! You look for some worldly intelligence to verify yourselves in the mind of the atheistic because your too proud for faith,
I find it laughable for you to express the preceding sentiment; especially when I have said on previous occasions that one of the fundamental issues which I have with the system; is that they would have us believe that, we are Humans on a Spiritual Journey when in fact we are indeed Spiritual Beings who are on Human Journey! Maybe you were not aware of that, but as you have taken the opportunity at every turn to chant me down, I find it hard to accept that you did not know I had expressed this thought. 

The pressure suit called flesh that we are all required to wear whilst being in this dimension does not diminish the fact that we are all just passing through this worldly experience on the way to the infinity that lies belong this material existence.  But just so that we are clear, the flesh cannot function without consciousness (or spirit as you put it), not in this realm. Just as the body which we live within whilst on earth, cannot function beyond the material plain. So when you fling silly little comments like that, you really should try to be more specific as to what you mean. So that others (not necessarily myself) can overstand what you are actually dealing with.

H.I.M Selassie I, whilst trodding this earthly plain didn't resort to the Magic you seem to allude to, he flexed in an earthly manner. His examples were earthly insofar as they are designed to facilitate One Love on Earth. Selassie I didn't walk on water. or feed five thousand with two loaves and five fish -or is that the other way around? H.I.M issued word-sound, and used Earthly ways to function.  You talk about use of imagination. Which maybe valid or not. But in any event you don't even answer the poignant issues that were put to you regarding your assertion about imagination! Once again the request is; Just explain to me and others, from your point of view; if Selassie I created the Earth and the Heavens by his imagination, which is what you stated previously, then giving that flesh has a finite shelf life, and Selassie I only manifested in this personality in 1892, how do you arrive that conclusion?  But it is already known that you won't be able to do that. What is even more self evident is that rather than admit that you cannot give a coherent answer, you will seek to hide behind more gibberish! You would get more respect (form me anyway) if you were able to say I can't, as opposed to the same old that you won't, which appears solely based upon some self aggrandizing notion that you and you alone are speaking for God!

 


 
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: I ELIJAH I on March 25, 2009, 10:56:52 AM
The premise of your request is self negating as Rastafari is an Identification not subject to conceptions of linearly constituted flesh. I and I couldn't care less who knows it.

Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Knowledge on March 25, 2009, 12:14:14 PM
The premise of your request is self negating as Rastafari is an Identification not subject to conceptions of linearly constituted flesh. I and I couldn't care less who knows it.

Again your response only serves to magnify the depths of your conceit.  Putting it as simply as possible, You don't know what you are talking about. I asked you to explain/clarify yourself, and this is what you bring to me as your statement of clarification or reasoning. hn....!
You will no doubt be minded to write some more of the same as a further response - which you are entitled to- But I won't be responding to you.
Using a material analogy to make the point; I know that any further response from me to more of your foolish nonsense such as the above; would be like throwing away my herb down a drain or even ripping up $20 bills to line the bottom of my parrots cage -meanwhile -the next day I cannot afford to buy food! In other words a complete waste of time.

Whereas we find our selves attending the University of Life and Experience. You are still stuck in pre Kindergarten. Kept behind because you cannot develop.  As I pointed out to you previously; your Brain might be Big (insofar as you can follow orders and carry out the systems nasty work). But your mind is feeble....insofar as you could never come up with any real and transparent reasoning, or explanations that are tangible, objective and requires a semblance of intelligence. Work on it.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: I ELIJAH I on March 25, 2009, 01:24:22 PM
No thanks. I'm satisfied with the misunderstanding that exists.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: natty threads on March 25, 2009, 03:50:33 PM
"Now like I said - I really do not want to start an argument . Just want you to ask yourself these questions and if you choose to, to answer to them.

P7"

I have asked them.

That is why I am where I am and not an evolutionist/atheist, as I was raised.

The science that supports man being ~6000 years young is available to anyone who cares to examine it.

The evidence that pushes me there the hardest is the consistancy among the genealogies from around the world, that ALL trace to Adam. There are tribal genealogies from secluded mountains in China as well as spread throughout virtually every mediaeval monastary and church. "Barbarian" tribes from northern Europe as well as British and French kings, all trace their genealogies to Adam, many just as far as one of Noah's three sons, but the effect is exactly the same if not more compelling.

Prophet, if you were truly interested you'd have already looked it up, and if you have already looked it up, then your asking me is an argument or a test.

That is all the answer I have. It is what convinced me.
It is in the genealogies.

As to the dating of monuments and artifacts-

I don't know.

I don't know if there was something here before Adam, if he was a subsequent round of creation and not the first.
I DO know that archeologists, biologists, paleontologists, all look through a clouded lense and skew data to fit their world views.

And I know through long study, questioning many authorities on the subject, and carefully examining the evidence for myself, that evolution is a bald-faced lie designed to conceal the truth of YHWH's love from us, enabling the adversary to convince us of the wisdom of wholesale wrong action in ultimate denial of our service to YHWH.

You can stay mad at YHWH forever, but it won't serve well in the long run.

In the end every knee will bow and every mouth will confess His Name, YHWH.
DOn't make him break your knees.
Bend them yourself.

Bless up.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 25, 2009, 05:13:01 PM
"The science that supports man being ~6000 years young is available to anyone who cares to examine it."

"I DO know that archeologists, biologists, paleontologists, all look through a clouded lense and skew data to fit their world views."

"that evolution is a bald-faced lie"

You say there is a SCIENCE that supports this, then you discredit the SCIENTISTS of different fields, so my question to you is what "what scientists and there field of science DOES support this"????

Just so God doesn't BREAK my knees, could you help us bend them by explaining the SCIENCE involved in determining such a grand statement, thanks.









Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: natty threads on March 25, 2009, 11:07:57 PM
Human, if you study evolution with a truly open inquiring mind I don't see how you could fail to see that it is  a lie.

The premises have changed so drastically, even in the twenty-some years that I have been seriously studying it, that there's no way to view it as a cogent theory.

The only way to believe in evolution is to disregard, oh I don't know- conservation of energy, conservation of matter, and tendency toward entropy- all INCONTROVERTIBLE PHYSICAL LAWS.

It is also to accept, out of hand, that life was either seeded by aliens- as allowed by Dawkins and adamantly supported by Crick- or that it spontaneously erupted from non-life, yet another violation of INCONTROVERTIBLE PHYSICAL LAWS.

Yes, "micro"evolution occurs- that's a Homer Simpson quality "Doh."

If all the pinto horses are captured from Mustang herds because they're cowboys' favorites, eventually all of the wild Mustangs will be solid color.
But they will still be Mustangs.

What I find more interesting with regards to micro-evolution is this-

SUPPOSING spontaneous broad-scale mutations occur in nature- oh wait, they do- they won't change the species (hasn't happened yet) AND they are spontaneously reversible, even in organisms homozygous for the mutation.  http://www.s8int.com/dna6.html

So even in the event that a mutation occurs, survives, and is able to reproduce, it will spontaneously revert to original type even when vigorously rogued to eliminate the original parent type.

I know you don't know me, my IQ, my education, or my experience and you have no reason to believe me.

I would STRONGLY suggest that ANYONE who believes that evolution has ANY BASIS AT ALL outside of the imaginings of fallible men dedicated to their despisement of Yah watch Ben Stein's "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed."

The simple fact that ID is censored wholesale in the scientific community-

IE- THAT IT IS NOT ALLOWED TO EVEN BE CONSIDERED AS AN ALTERNATIVE, that ALL scientists suggesting an ID alternative are BLACKBALLED, that ALL editors publishing ID articles submitted by others are FIRED, That suggesting ID (outside of PanSpermia- Look it up- a full THIRD of all scientists credit aliens as the originators of life on earth) as a possible explanation for the beginning of life will make you a laughingstock-

The simple fact that ANY idea is blackballed-

SHOULD ONLY LEND CREDENCE TO THAT IDEA.

Look- NOT FIFTY YEARS AGO the prevailing wisdom was that babies don't REALLY feel circumcism.

How asinine is that?


Not even DARWIN was a Darwinist.

It's just crazy.

READ the evidence against evolution.

IT IS ALL OVER THE PLACE.

As to educating you so that Yah doesn't break your knees to bend them...


If you will not believe One who rose from the dead, why believe me?

Read Yeremiah 7:16ff.

As to science...




WHEN I RAISED QUESTIONS ABOUT PARTICULAR MECHANISMS- TWENTY-FIVE YEARS AGO- I WAS TOLD BY MY PROFESSORS AT AN ACCREDITED UNIVERSITY-

"What are you going to do if you don't believe this? Believe in God?"

Interestingly enough, THOSE mechanisms are now considered outdated rather quaint notions of inheritance, and still the alternative is "Be smart or believe in God."

Evolution has never spoken to me.

YHWH has.

When YHWH speaks to you, which He will if you seek knowledge and understanding and NOT to be "right" to the detriment of your fellows, you will KNOW.

What I find INCOMPREHENSIBLE is this- SELASSIE believed Yahushua to be the Living Word, The Son of YHWH the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE.

YOU claim to be a follower of Selassie, a "Ras", yet you DENY the FOUNDATION of Selassie's life and beliefs.

And YOU challenge ME in MY beliefs because YOU are Ras and I am not- yet my beliefs align with those of Selassie and yours call him an ignorant fool.

I am baffled

and pretty fed up with not reading the dice as they fall.

BLESS UP- non-believer.

I love you.
YHWH loves you.
I am certain Selassie loves you.

Come home to Ras'.






Posted on: March 25, 2009, 01:06:10 PM
Its about teaching that I and I don't question any I's faith much less some mean spirited self aggrandizing mockery.


EXACTLY.

Mean-spirited self-aggrandizing mockery is EXACTLY what evolution is all about.

For a Ras' to belittle ANYONE for believing scripture is to deny Yahushua, to deny YHWH, and for sure to deny Selassie

which makes the denier incontrovertibly NOT RAS'.

How can this not be true?

 
I had a Jewish friend many years ago who was PROUD because he was a Jew.

"We are God's chosen people. That's special."

He lived with his kosher observant grandfather, considered that having two sets of dishes was "quaint", and still considered that he himself was special though he didn't believe in YHWH per se.

"I believe there's SOMEthing...it just isn't GOD."

WHAT EVER.

"I'm special because I'm God's chosen people but I don't believe in God."

"I'm Ras', but Selassie's foundation beliefs are superstitious primitive myths."


SOMEones need to get over their bad selves.

I'd be hard-pressed to say Elijah I, abrasive though he may be, is in the rolls of the non-Ras'.

Non-believers are non-believers.

I'm a fair bit put out that on a RASTA board I am expected to defend MYself because

I BELIEVE IN YHWH?
I believe scripture?
I believe that what Selassie believed is true?

I AM arguing.
I AM questioning (I am not Ras) the beliefs of another

and I AM saying that many self-proclaimed Ras on this board have VERY brown eyes and it isn't genetic.

HOW can one profess to be Ras' yet DISbelieve the Bible and deny EVERYTHING Selassie lived and died by?

WHERE IS THE RAS?

I for DAMNED sure, Human, I have NEVER FELT THE LOVE coming from your direction- just bait, switch, denial, and lies.

I LOVE YOU, BROTHER.

COME HOME.

Prophet, I don't have as clear of as grasp on you, and Moses- much of what you say is true but...


Hmph.

It's not half as much fun being called out by a white girl, is it?


SELASSIE is the FOUNDATION of Ras.

DENY SELASSIE= DENY RAS

You who deny, your knees will bend in the end.

WHY PROFESS JESUS WITH YOUR LIPS (Claim "Ras") YET DENY HIM WITH YOUR THEOLOGY (new age claptrap)?



Selassie would have said the same to you:

YHWH is REAL.
Yahushua is REAL.
CREATION is REAL.


Why claim Selassie yet profess Babylonian lies?


BLESS UP, UP, UP!



Posted on: March 25, 2009, 02:19:20 PM
And just for the easily put-off- trust me- nothing I wrote is one tenth as offensive as denying the power of YHWH, which you do and Selassie would have reviled, of denying the truth of scripture, which you do and Selassie would have reviled, nor of denying the divinity of Yahushua Messiah, which you do and Selassie would have reviled.

"I'm Ras, but everything Selassie believed and lived and died for was a superstitious myth."

Get OVER your bad selves.
He's either right- and you should believe what he believed- or his head is all wrong and you don't believe a word of it- IN WHICH CASE YOU ARE NOT RAS'.


It isn't rocket science.

It is FAITH.

You have it or you are lost trying to drag the susceptible into the abyss with you.


BLESS UP.
Posted on: March 25, 2009, 02:34:41 PM
PROPHET- There are dinosaurs throughout the Bible.


As to T-Rex, T-Rex with extant flesh have been found. Mary Schweitzer, who works with Horner, has been subsequently reviled for her discovery (surprise surprise), and the official denial/backpeddling has taken over as status quo.

"That is also a fact. There is proof out there. There is a tribe in Africa called the Dogon who knew more about the solar system, universe before any telescopes or any other modern technologies were created. Where did they get their information from ? It is not in the Bible or Torah but, they knew it ! They have a very different story/aspect/view on creation - you can now find it on the net if you wanna check it out.

I read the book. Get over your bad self. I have a clue.

Why believe them over the Jews?

Are you NUTS?

Go ahead and believe in Dagon the Fish god, who YHWH repeatedly defeated and humiliated, over the truth.

That is the upshot of the Dogon's belief.

IT DOESN'T MATTER.

In the end, every knee will bend to YHWH.

We are not, in case you haven't noticed, equipped with water-resistant scales and gills for breathing.
There is more truth in scripture. Why believe Dagon myth over YHWH?

That lies of the adversary have been preserved in the polluted mythology of primitive cultures has never been a secret.

My challenge is this:

How can you call yourself Ras and deny Selassie?

Did Selassie believe the Dagon myths?

Yet you call them as evidence against his truth?

And that is somehow Ras?

Get real.

EVERY primitive culture has SOME arcane "unknowable" knowledge about the world.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE THEM DIVINE.

Bless up.

Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 26, 2009, 10:28:31 AM
How good and how pleasant it is to share our wonderful beliefs, give thanks Natty for your understandings, I simply agree to disagree, love all the same.

"YOU claim to be a follower of Selassie, a "Ras", yet you DENY the FOUNDATION of Selassie's life and beliefs."

Please sistren you know better than to make things such as this up, I and I is no "Ras" nor do i profess to be anywere on this sight not now or ever have. I and I do not go by titles dealing with monarchy, but if I were i would be a King not a "Ras"...which in case you didnt know means Prince. I dont deny anything about Selassie, I deny for myself those that claim him to be more than what he was, this even by his own admission even though some chose to hear it differently. Anger and spite is not becoming of you Natty, slow down and hear what i wrote, I dont challenge you or anyone, I ask questions and look for a rational answer, so far i have not received one, so it go.

Again I ask, what is the SCIENCE that was used as you claim to justify and prove humanity is 6000 years old based on genealogies, simple question. The ball is in your court as they say, feel free to slam dunk it.
Posted on: March 26, 2009, 02:36:45 AM
"There are dinosaurs throughout the Bible."

Feel free to post the scriptures word for word talking about dinosaurs...dinosaurs..not large beast but dinosaurs...

Im curious how you arrive at me being an evolutionist...do you always assume such things about a person before asking them...
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Knowledge on March 26, 2009, 12:50:39 PM
Natty Threads

I notice that although you answer P7, but you run away from I.  You really do take the biscuit. I seem to recall you throwing some nonsensical remarks about Miriam mother of jesus at me the last time our posts crossed, after giving you the answer to your nonsense and posing you with a question to answer or clarify- you declined to answer me. or should I say couldn't! Now here we are again.

I have just read your posts and feel that I have to respond to some of the churlish nonsense you make in order to support your views (and also to defend the impostor and fake Elijah). The first thing I could say is why don't you find a zionist site that caters for your brainwashed views. But that would be dropping down to the level of you and your friend.

So I will just get to the point. 

It seems a fury has been sparked within you because people are saying (or asking whether) that creation as per the bible (or is that torah) is incorrect.  Well I have to say; that if the the bible does cover the history of humanity from it's beginning, which is supposed to be 5000/6000 years according to common knowledge. Then it's patently obvious that the information contained within the book is flawed both factually and fundamentally. 

How can humanity have originated a mere 6000 years ago when the Mayan Calendar (which by all accounts is supposed to reset in 2012), is supposed to be anything between 25,000 and 50,000 years old? Why are there Aboriginal cave drawings that have been dated back to 40, 000 years ago in existence? Just to name but two examples.

The plain and simple truth is you don't know how the Creator made creation! You don't know what mechanics were used to create consciousness or the rest of the universe, much less earth!  Nobody knows; but we can all speculate, we can run tests, we can all ask questions  to try and find out.
You give us the theories about Mustangs being selectively breeded and what the outcome would be, yeah right! So what does that prove  in terms of the original point about creation?  Indeed your reference to "particular mechanisms" is just irrelevant - you don't even inform us of the questions you posed to your teacher!

As I have said we are indeed constrained by language and the meaning of various terms. But at the end of the day, it is a fact that the Creator used 'mechanics' to create the physical aspects of creation called them quantum or whatever but the point is regardless of what term maybe used there was higher science used., But if you wish to believe that God created the Earth in 6 Earth days. Then it's indeed you who have been brainwashed (although I would concede that you wouldn't know it, because the brainwashed never do).

You cuss down ones who ask the questions that matter, but at the time you would want us to believe that the Creator of the whole of creation, who created the universe and the earth and all the things therein with powers we don't even begin to comprehend,  suddenly came down to earth and was subsequently hung to tree or nailed to a cross, killed by mere mortals who had been created from the dust!!! ::) Well regardless of what you may believe, I don't accept that mere mortals could have slew the Creator and First Source of creation. Maybe in your little corner (of ism) that is what you genuinely believe or have been brainwashed into accepting. But you should also be aware that there is enough free minds out there who know better.

Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: I ELIJAH I on March 26, 2009, 01:25:57 PM
""You don't know what mechanics were used to create consciousness or the rest of the universe, much less earth!  Nobody knows;"""

 Certainly the One who Created it Knows!
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 26, 2009, 01:49:49 PM
You just have to laugh.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: I ELIJAH I on March 26, 2009, 01:52:08 PM
In other words you just have to mock and belittle because the truth of it exposes the magnitude of your ignorance.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Knowledge on March 26, 2009, 01:55:07 PM
Yeah but that is not you.

It obviously goes without saying that the Creator/Originator/Programmer is going to know about the methods used to originate, formulate and
ultimately create creation and consciousness. Don't be such a numpty ::) You numpty.  ;)

Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 26, 2009, 02:06:30 PM
"truth of it exposes the magnitude of your ignorance"

First there needs to be a truth in order to expose, so far all I ever get is some happy clappy Christian born again rhetoric and an angry likkle youth with a bible name throwing dog shit at people and calling it "fire".
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: I ELIJAH I on March 26, 2009, 02:11:58 PM
""Yeah but that is not you. ""

""all I ever get is some happy clappy Christian born again rhetoric and an angry likkle youth""

All that's good to hear, JAH forbid a pearl actually landed in the pig pin.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Knowledge on March 26, 2009, 02:32:06 PM
Yes becuase you
""Yeah but that is not you. "" ""all I ever get is some happy clappy Christian born again rhetoric and an angry likkle youth""
All that's good to hear, JAH forbid a pearl actually landed in the pig pin.

Again just little snide remarks, nothing edifying, but then again expecting a cultured measured response from you is rather like expecting that after  cleaning up a filthy pig fresh from the hog pen and then it returning therein and expecting to remain cleansed. Can't work, can it!!!
Indeed If a pearl fell in to the pig pen - then you'd be stinking rich, wouldn't you?  :)

God forbid :o!

Stay filthy.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: I ELIJAH I on March 26, 2009, 02:38:38 PM
Expectations are of wicked design in the first place. Heard that the market for parrots is up though so...
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 26, 2009, 04:36:55 PM
"Expectations are of wicked design in the first place."

LOL, this gets better all the time...LOL. It must be hard being a virgin boy (no pun intended).
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on March 27, 2009, 07:32:42 AM
Human mi bro, talk to the individual, not the "person"  back to the "word",re original topic SLAVERY (quote from mi friend Rock)
 He asks "do you know about the "person"? this is the CONtracted identity. This name is tied to the "family name" and is the entity governments use for the loans of the "person" and all their lifes labour to the Bankers eg Rothchilds...If you have no "name" that is to say that you do NOT agree that the "family name" on the birth certificate is who you are...they cannot contract with you because there is no business.....you are an individual....and can't be bought and sold. If you don't "toe the line" and agree that the name on the birth(sufferticket)/certificate is who you, My friend Rock says remember you are not a piece of paper and can establish this truth in court if you are being bullied and having rights denied you be the establishment...this is what my friend Rock is persuing in his ongoing quest for individual human rights
The youtube vid I will provide link, its called "Cannabis in court"
Blessed Love Nyah I
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 27, 2009, 11:07:04 AM
Yes Nya thanks for bringing me back to the post, I apologize that sometimes we stray on here when distracted so often, anyways. Yes your friend is correct, it is the "person" on your birth cert, driver liscense, etc, that they can only do ""contract" with and only by consent, but, they can easily trick you in to this consent so it is there that one needs to be aware of how they can do this, it can be as simple as say "are you Mr xxxxxxx" and you say yes unaware that they just contracted you the "person", but, you ae not Mr or Mrs...this is the key. It is a very interesting field of study when you start to learn the ways in which they can contract you and put statutes against you. It's not necessarily a "family name" but can be your full name with a Mr/Mrs/Ms in front of it or if it is in full capital letters such as on your i.d. card as well. I will look for the video to watch, thanks Nya, lets keep this post going shall we.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on March 27, 2009, 01:51:46 PM
Yes Bro!
That is exactly what mi bro Rock says!
He has been in court numerable times now
They have tried to trick him into admiting that he is the name on the birth sufferticket but He will not
He says I am representing Peter Till, but I am NOT that piece of paper I am a living man
He has been fighting them for many months now, or is it years?
They have jailed him
He would not sign anything
He says I am a sovereign being and as such I am answerable to my creator only
Thou shall have no other gods
To bow down to the court system would be placing their authority above the Creative force of the universe
the questions He ask them has them leaving court on occasions
I can go into this in depth with you as it is very important and liberating info
people get aouta Babylon!!!!!!
DONT play the game, if it denies you your rights!!!!!!
at the moment, after sending him to a shrink and then ordering him NOT to return to court, he was again called back to court,but after appearing He told them, "you told me I'm NOt supposed to be here, whats going on? or something like that and he left, He did not appear before a magistrate, however He wants to take this case to the highest court......
The whole thing is that he was busted with some herb and he has fought it the whole way
even turning up in court with a ganga plant, to illustrate the fact that it is a natural plant NOT a drug
the man has glucouma and as such he will go blind without his medicine and probably because he is a dreadlock man from Nimbin....he has no support to obtain a medicinal licence to use cannabis
they have tried to break him but the man is very determined, smart and courageous and is becoming an icon and hero here in the Australian cannabis law reform movement
I have lots more info regarding this sort of thing and am happy to Itinue reasoning pon the matter
lets keep talking this movement up
I have some crucial info to add later
I look forward to your and others input ON TOPIC!!!!!!!!
Blessed Love
I-Sis Nyah I
Posted on: March 27, 2009, 02:48:47 PM
Here's mi bro Rock talking up our rights and how to free yourself from serfdom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLW1zWxbAcc
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on March 27, 2009, 02:26:03 PM
Greeting Nya

Im watching the video and responding as i pause it so i can elaborate on certain things, the first one is that he stopped himself from saying "understand" and instead used to word "comprehend", that is crucial because all courts use the BLACKS LAW DICTIONARY, this is there bible so to speak when it comes to "Legalese" law talk, to "understand" means to "stand under" an authority and be subject to them, in other words you have just consented to them (tricked again). He says law alot but in reality there are no "laws" simply "Statutes" which the definition (blacks law dictionary) is this: "A legislative RULE of SOCIETY given the FORCE OF LAW through CONSENT of the GOVERNED"......THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND!!!!!. He is right when he says "be careful when you sign a contract", yes it is the world of contracts, BUT, they can and will get you by VERBAL contract, by saying YES to certain tricky questions or even a nodding glance, by handing them your license,  by paying a bill or ticket WITHOUT first writing an important "Article of law" on it or under it. He has to be very careful what words he uses in court because although he speaks english THERE english in court is much different, it may sound like english but the MEANINGS are much different than you and I know them to be...best advice...BUY A BLACKS LAW DICTIONARY AND RESEARCH MANY WORDS USED FOR THERE "LEGALESE" MEANING. These dictionaries are around $60 to $80 but well worth it for fighting the system, matter of fact it is mandatory to win the battle. He must use the system against them, play them at there own game in order to win, otherwise he will eventually slip up and they will arrest him for a long period of time which can be an unpleasant life. When dealing with the shitstem you must be "harmless as doves yet wise as serpents" ....to be wise though you must understand THERE language. I posted a few links to some interesting and helpful areas in this matter, if you need more video links to watch and get a better understanding then say so and i will send them to you to get a better idea of how it works, one love.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Knowledge on March 27, 2009, 09:45:06 PM
Just following on from the point Human has made, I would like to add that in my humble opinion;
That in order to fight the system one's have to be able to overstand the tactics they employ and the methods they use with apparent impunity. Although  there are many sources to gain inspiration to function whilst doing this task, I will draw for this particular reason. As many will be aware I am not biblical as such; but a good example is (Heartical) Joseph who as according to the story, was sold into slavery in Egypt, whilst he was there, he eventually ended up working for the Pharaoh. It is noted that he undertook his work diligently and with distinction and achieved greatness. But for all that, he discharged his duty with equity and never forgot who he represented -because him never turn away from him Jah!

So the lesson for all, whether you study de book or not, is that don't forget who you are and overstand (the workings of) the system in order that ones can discharge good works..For the greater good.

Health and Strength....
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on March 28, 2009, 12:49:42 AM
interesting that the I should speak of the black laws dictionary...Rock has been seeking one for a while now, he asked me about that about six months ago
and we spoke about the truths yah articulated in above post just yesterday
I don't think he has hold of one yet, but he is very clever and hasn't let them put it over him yet
I will add an afidavid Rock wrote for the court in attachment as soon as my Radic helps me locate and add it
I think it is brilliant
and yes Knowledge Rock is not a "christian: as such but he does use biblical "law" and rhetoric to uphold his rights
the bible is the basis for modern law as we know, it but much corrupted and filed by capitalism
It is a book of books designed to free us, in my sight, no matter what people say about it, with their limited knowledge
and yes any words can be twisted and used for dubious means "he who will be deceived let him be deceived" so one really needs their wits about them...really research and soul-search yah stuff as you will need to be prepared to take a stand at some point
intention is all powahful and people intentions are worth questioning
pure and informed intent will hold its own in a sea of confusion, ignorance and ones who use powah for personal gain and cowardice
and freeing ourselves helps other free themselves so we owe it to ourselves and the ALL to make it our lives mission
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on April 01, 2009, 12:27:59 PM
Any news Nya on your friend?
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on April 01, 2009, 01:47:15 PM
I haven't seen him for a few days
its really late and I'm too tired
had a mad gig with the choir I sing with now
irieness extreme
I'll post links to things my Radic has posted about Rock, for some more background in his wrangling with the judicial system, coz its epic battles I'm talking now
tomorrow, too late now
Blessed Be Bro, sistahs too
I'm still a believer of One Perfect body of Love that everyone can be a part of
water is mi nature and mi name means water lilly my "birth" name is Nerida which means Water Lilly in a language of my "birth" home Country and water is what we are all connected thru, it flows thru all of us and never stops flowing, like love
nothing it can't leak into, nothing human anyway
nada
and flowers open for everyone alike, no judgment no prejudice
just like true Ivine Love for humanity
we see how His and Her Majesty display that love, in their words and actions
a lover will neva be slave to anyone but love
a longing for "The Presence"
of Majesty of gentle wisdom and heartfelt compassion
Love's Grace in action
soothing and humble
beauty n dignity 
talk more soon on topic I am rambling post gig delirium now
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: Human on April 01, 2009, 04:24:30 PM
"water is mi nature and mi name means water lilly my "birth" name is Nerida which means Water Lilly in a language of my "birth" home Country and water is what we are all connected thru, it flows thru all of us and never stops flowing, like love"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkbpXRSIUnE&feature=related
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: surfmon_I on April 30, 2009, 11:21:37 AM
By now we should all have come to the reality that we are slaves.  ALL of us, unless we are able to Identify the masked, and not so masked system that has bought and sold the countries that we live in.

Question is: how do we collectively come to free this planet from the yolk of these governments and their minions.  The international bankers and the bankrupt countries with the false currancy we spend every day.  It is one thing to try and plug a dyke, but another thing completely to rebuild after they are exposed and destroyed.

What i would like is to have some views on how it is we are to come together, work together and triumph  to fom a new world.
Posted on: April 26, 2009, 06:37:54 PM
...It's Irie, takes time for the seed to grow.

every year the anticipation of planting and cleaning the yard, we are happy to do the work!.  Once the seeds are sown we must wait for harvest...see there is a whole new crop, going the rounds, while the ones that know we must collect and protect are Active in their methods to teach the children by example....

JAH Guide and I~tect
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: moses on May 01, 2009, 12:43:36 PM
Greetings One and all... I feel irrrrie today :) give thanks and praises to the most I, Jah!

Today I had waken up and got a proper name to give for my proposed piece of work on social entrepreneurship... A 21st Centrury Organum on The Third Way.

I had sent it to some individuals today for review before i consider it to be finished and complete.

A promise, faith and destiny to the new world and economy.

Soon I would love it to be available in this forum and else where.

Blessed Love, Never give up some hope.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: surfmon_I on May 13, 2009, 01:01:34 AM
AHHHH, Yes I !.
  Water.  Covers most of Iration.  It is the fluid of LIFE.  It is the Majority of what our bodies are made of.  It is peaceful, placid and serene while also having the possibility of violence, power and turbulence.
  Much the way we are.  Much the way space is. 
Always seeks its own level.  When something gets in its way, it goes around.  It cannot be stopped.  This medium has much to teach us if we approach with respect and awareness.  The pressure of the depths holds secrets we can only imagine and explore with the aide of science.  As with space, it is the final frontier.  Let us go to the waters edge and know that it touches many shores and many lives.
  In it we are One.
  Without it we are none.
Give Thanks Sistren and Bredren,
For the beauty that we are Blessed to be Part of as it flows through us and all Iration.
Title: Re: How about this!
Post by: NyaInIJahLove on May 28, 2009, 10:37:30 AM
Blessed Love
I really love how this thread has grown
we have touched pon the filth, the scum, the stinky mud and dross of I-manity and the water that contains and carries so much the amazing multi-dimentional nature of it and the fact that it communicates and we are delving into the fine qualities that free us and make us strong and powahful in our truth, like the beautiful lotus, water flower that symbolizes enlightenment that grows out of the filth as the lotus grows out of stinky mud like our Higher/Iyah Self grows from the pain and sufferation of living in material consciousness before we are born into our Light body/Enlightened Self/Whole-I Self Awareness
Here is a hyperlink to I Bredren Rocks Affidavid
Read%20this%20affidavit%20that%20a%20retired%20high%20court%20judge%20wrote.doc