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Title: Do Not Get Fooled
Post by: prophet777 on March 18, 2009, 01:44:43 AM
Listen. Listen very carefully.
I Father is in you !! He Is the biggest part of you that you do not accept. No one can tell or teach you who HE is. Everything that you do that is wrong... you will feel it. You Know it !! React !!

The so called "bible" (bribe- all) will not teach you. "God"is not in that book (pieces of paper). Part of your soul is GOD. Make it complete by being HIM. Wanna know how !? You are not gonna do it by so called "Jewish", "Christian", "Catholic" and believe I not even in fake "Rasta" ways !

I Father has only ONE WAY, ONE WAY and it is not about following no body !! It is about finding out who you really are !! Listen...listen... if there really was a Jesus what did he say ? "you will do (if you are intelligent enough ) more than I.

Well do you see any one doing it ? Well, I don't- Rasta been telling you that for a long tme !
Title: Re: Do Not Get Fooled
Post by: ke on March 19, 2009, 11:17:39 PM
right on bro
seen  i feel the same way
Title: Re: Do Not Get Fooled
Post by: OneExodus on March 20, 2009, 02:42:51 AM
That's what I do day to day.  The Christian church I go to kind of commended me because I don't think the way they do.
Title: Re: Do Not Get Fooled
Post by: surfmon_I on March 24, 2009, 09:10:05 AM
Greetings Bredren,
  We must be very careful in Absolutes.  What phrophet say is true inasmuch as we should Know  the I~self.
When we look at our lives, there are rarely many "absolutes" that we deal with.  Ones will try to bend us to their will, in sub-mission, we loose track of what is real.
  Our words are not absolute, they fall short of truly revealing what is in our minds.  Instead, they reveal a moment of mind, and our our attempt to relate this to others.  Still, as Bred Knowledge has recently stated, "we are Iritual beings on a Human journey", and should realize that we are far from perfect.  In fact, it is by seeking we find and BY our works we will be transformed.
  As far as the Ible,  many times we may go round on this one.  Many do, day to day, to....day and so on.  Depends on what one puts in as to what ones get out.  See, Nothing is as it seems for if it were, we would stop seeking.  If ones are looking for the Light, ones MUST go thru the dark to get there.
  I can share this much, Iman have been reading the Ible for 5 years and along on this journey, I have changed.  Many other books have been read along with this one as reference and side interest, but I shall finish it, and it will be another task accomplished in this life time.  Now, I marvel at the many who have said they have read it, for it is NOT an easy read, it is a mystery where knowledge and wisdom are revealed between the lines (again, nothing is easy~in these times or times gone by).  Try and take out a book called the Bible Fraud from the local Library, and check the look ya get from the librarian.  Still again, nothing is absolute.
  What is good for one, is not for another, so we should be careful when we Bun this or Bun that.  There is a fine line between Love and Hate, take care to which side ones stand on.

  JAH, Guide InI
Title: Re: Do Not Get Fooled
Post by: Knowledge on March 24, 2009, 11:27:53 AM
The infinite or a fragment of it resides within us all - Some call it soul, some say spirit, some say consciousness and others attribute it as the mind! Right now we are on a quest for finding the attribute, or overstanding the meaning or purpose of why we are here, how we come to be here, who put us here and so forth.

Some feel that the answer lies in placing their faith into something, some attest to simply having blind faith. Many believers have the origin of their beliefs instilled or enshrined into them from an early age based upon the teachings of their parents or the Sunday school teacher, the Rabbi, the Iman or the priest, pastor, Deacon and/or reverend.  Many blindly accept those teachings and have a blind faith in what they are taught because the (usually) man told them that at church or the synagogue, or the Mosque. Those religious ideals are then supplemented and reinforced by education, to the point where people are taught about god and creation which is supposed to have taken 6 days, he rested on the seventh day and then on the 8th day he made Adam and Eve out of dirt, notwithstanding that they had already created Man and Woman in their own image on the 6th day and had given him/her dominion over the earth and instructed the Man/Woman that they should go forth and multiply. So right now even using this example; one can see that there is pure mix up from the start of the book and it doesn't get any better the further you read.

But the issue here is not about what is taught or what one is told to accept, it is about ones finding themselves in the maze of false doctrine.  There is so much untruth, mis-truth, and anything but the truth in circulation which people are expected to swallow and believe with out question. Indeed They represent the illusions that are there to be pursued but never attained! As Garvey said; "look at God through your spectacles"..., now that is perceived as Marcus talking to the massive, but the term can also be taken on an individual basis.

At the risk of sounding blasphemous to the religious; I don't fear god! The reason I do not fear god, is because I believe that the creator is not a vengeful and jealous deity. I don't fear god because I feel that I have to fear the Creator based upon the teachings of the system. I love the creator and I look forward to meeting the creator so that I can be enlightened. I don't live in fear of what others tell me GOD is going to do to me. I am a part of creation, a creation that originated with the First Source of Consciousness and has continued ever since. I  don't accept nonsense about original sin and that Humanity should live in a self castigating form of existence based upon the notion of an perceived event that took place well before my time and has nothing to do with me - I have already dispensed with that kind of backward thinking and hypocrisy.

Hail the Creator because the creator loves you and because you share that One Love, you should Love the creator as the creator loves you and everyone else. But to say that because I am a born sinner, I must pray everyday and if not, then hell and damnation is going to reach me I don't really aspire to that notion. Especially as this is hell where we are right now. I just don't believe it can be any worse than this, once we leave this material plane. That is unless your heart is unclean and your flex is not heartical. Then maybe it will get worse, what's worse than being forced to come back to this. Right now I aspire to the notion; that it is by the works one does and performs, is how you will be eventually taken into account. But I also believe that; that judgment (Judgment being the final and arbitrary opinion) is made by the Creator and not by men and other such vain fools masquerading as his emissaries.

As Father Surf states "What is good for one, is not for another, so we should be careful when we Bun this or Bun that.  There is a fine line between Love and Hate, take care to which side ones stand on."

That is a true sound, I don't say to anyone that what I am saying is the gospel they must follow, I am just telling you how I feel and why. Everybody has their programme, their own trod to take in this dispensation and is for each and everyone to find out and know!

Health and Strength
Title: Re: Do Not Get Fooled
Post by: Human on March 24, 2009, 02:47:53 PM
ENQUIRER. Do you believe in God?


THEOSOPHIST. That depends what you mean by the term.


ENQUIRER. I mean the God of the Christians, the Father of Jesus, and the Creator: the Biblical God of Moses, in short.


THEOSOPHIST. In such a God we do not believe. We reject the idea of a personal, or an extra-cosmic and anthropomorphic God, who is but the gigantic shadow of man, and not of man at his best, either. The God of theology, we say — and prove it — is a bundle of contradictions and a logical impossibility. Therefore, we will have nothing to do with him.


ENQUIRER. State your reasons, if you please.


THEOSOPHIST. They are many, and cannot all receive attention. But here are a few. This God is called by his devotees infinite and absolute, is he not?


ENQUIRER. I believe he is.


THEOSOPHIST. Then, if infinite―i. e., limitless― and especially if absolute, how can he have a form, and be a creator of anything? Form implies limitation, and a beginning as well as an end; and, in order to create, a Being must think and plan. How can the ABSOLUTE be supposed to think―i. e., to have any relation whatever to that which is limited, finite, and conditioned? This is a philosophical, and a logical absurdity. Even the Hebrew Kabala rejects such an idea, and therefore, makes of the one and the Absolute Deific Principle an infinite Unity called Ain-Soph.* In order to create, the Creator has to become active; and as this is impossible for ABSOLUTENESS, the infinite principle had to be shown becoming the cause of evolution (not creation) in an indirect way ―i.e., through the emanation from itself (another absurdity, due this time to the translators of the Kabala)† of the Sephiroth.


ENQUIRER. How about those Kabalists, who, while being such, still believe in Jehovah, or the Tetragrammaton?


THEOSOPHIST. They are at liberty to believe in what they please, as their belief or disbelief can hardly affect a self-evident fact. The Jesuits tell us that two and two are not always four to a

certainty, since it depends on the will of God to make 2 X 2 = 5. Shall we accept their sophistry for all that?


ENQUIRER. Then you are Atheists?


THEOSOPHIST. Not that we know of, and not unless the epithet of "Atheist" is to be applied to those who disbelieve in an anthropomorphic God. We believe in a Universal Divine Principle, the root of ALL, from which all proceeds, and within which all shall be absorbed at the end of the great cycle of Being.


ENQUIRER. This is the old, old claim of Pantheism. If you are Pantheists, you cannot be Deists; and if you are not Deists, then you have to answer to the name of Atheists.


THEOSOPHIST. Not necessarily so. The term "Pantheism" is again one of the many abused terms, whose real and primitive meaning has been distorted by blind prejudice and a one-sided view of it. If you accept the Christian etymology of this compound word, and form it of pan, "all," and qeod, "god," and then imagine and teach that this means that every stone and every tree in Nature is a God or the ONE God, then, of course, you will be right, and make of Pantheists fetish-worshippers, in addition to their legitimate name. But you will hardly be as successful if you etymologise the word Pantheism esoterically, and as we do.


ENQUIRER. What is, then, your definition of it?


THEOSOPHIST. Let me ask you a question in my turn. What do you understand by Pan, or Nature?

ENQUIRER. Nature is, I suppose, the sum total of things existing around us; the aggregate of causes and effects in the world of matter, the creation or universe.


THEOSOPHIST. Hence the personified sum and order of known causes and effects; the total of all finite agencies and forces, as utterly disconnected from an intelligent Creator or Creators, and perhaps "conceived of as a single and separate force"―as in your cyclopζdias?


ENQUIRER. Yes, I believe so.


THEOSOPHIST. Well, we neither take into consideration this objective and material nature, which we call an evanescent illusion, nor do we mean by pan Nature, in the sense of its accepted derivation from the Latin Natura (becoming, from nasci, to be born). When we speak of the Deity and make it identical, hence coeval, with Nature, the eternal and uncreate nature is meant, and not your aggregate of flitting shadows and finite unrealities. We leave it to the hymn-makers to call the visible sky or heaven, God's Throne, and our earth of mud His footstool. Our DEITY is neither in a paradise, nor in a particular tree, building, or mountain: it is everywhere, in every atom of the visible as of the invisible Cosmos, in, over, and around every invisible atom and divisible molecule; for IT is the mysterious power of evolution and involution, the omnipresent, omnipotent, and even omniscient creative potentiality.


ENQUIRER. Stop! Omniscience is the prerogative of something that thinks, and you deny to your Absoluteness the power of thought.


THEOSOPHIST. We deny it to the ABSOLUTE, since thought is something limited and conditioned. But you evidently forget that in


philosophy absolute unconsciousness is also absolute consciousness, as otherwise it would not be absolute.


ENQUIRER. Then your Absolute thinks?


THEOSOPHIST. No, IT does not; for the simple reason that it is Absolute Thought itself. Nor does it exist, for the same reason, as it is absolute existence, and Be-ness, not a Being. Read the superb Kabalistic poem by Solomon Ben Jehudah Gabirol, in the Kether-Malchut, and you will understand:―"Thou art one, the root of all numbers, but not as an element of numeration; for unity admits not of multiplication, change, or form. Thou art one, and in the secret of thy unity the wisest of men are lost, because they know it not. Thou art one, and Thy unity is never diminished, never extended, and cannot be changed. Thou art one, and no thought of mine can fix for Thee a limit, or define Thee. Thou ART, but not as one existent, for the understanding and vision of mortals cannot attain to Thy existence, nor determine for Thee the where, the how and the why," etc., etc. In short, our Deity is the eternal, incessantly evolving, not creating, builder of the universe; that universe itself unfolding out of its own essence, not being made. It is a sphere, without circumference, in its symbolism, which has but one ever-acting attribute embracing all other existing or thinkable attributes―ITSELF. It is the one law, giving the impulse to manifested, eternal, and immutable laws, within that never-manifesting, because absolute LAW, which in its manifesting periods is The ever-Becoming.


ENQUIRER. I once heard one of your members remarking that Universal Deity, being everywhere, was in vessels of dishonour, as in those of

honour, and, therefore, was present in every atom of my cigar ash! Is this not rank blasphemy?


THEOSOPHIST. I do not think so, as simple logic can hardly be regarded as blasphemy. Were we to exclude the Omnipresent Principle from one single mathematical point of the universe, or from a particle of matter occupying any conceivable space, could we still regard it as infinite?

Posted on: March 24, 2009, 02:53:23 PM

ENQUIRER. Do you believe in prayer, and do you ever pray?


THEOSOPHIST. We do not. We act, instead of talking.


ENQUIRER. You do not offer prayers even to the Absolute Principle?


THEOSOPHIST. Why should we? Being well-occupied people, we can hardly afford to lose time in addressing verbal prayers to a pure abstraction. The Unknowable is capable of relations only in its parts to each other, but is non-existent as regards any finite relations. The visible universe depends for its existence and phenomena on its mutually acting forms and their laws, not on prayer or prayers.


ENQUIRER. Do you not believe at all in the efficacy of prayer?


THEOSOPHIST. Not in prayer taught in so many words and repeated externally, if by prayer you mean the outward petition to an unknown God as the addressee, which was inaugurated by the Jews and popularised by the Pharisees.


ENQUIRER. Is there any other kind of prayer?


THEOSOPHIST. Most decidedly; we call it WILL-PRAYER, and it is rather an internal command than a petition.


ENQUIRER. To whom, then, do you pray when you do so?


THEOSOPHIST. To "our Father in heaven" — in its esoteric meaning.


ENQUIRER. Is that different from the one given to it in theology?


THEOSOPHIST. Entirely so. An Occultist or a Theosophist addresses his prayer to his Father which is in secret (read, and try to understand, ch. vi. v. 6, Matthew), not to an extra-cosmic and therefore finite God; and that "Father" is in man himself.


ENQUIRER. Then you make of man a God?


THEOSOPHIST. Please say "God" and not a God. In our sense, the inner man is the only God we can have cognizance of. And how can this be otherwise? Grant us our postulate that God is a universally diffused, infinite principle, and how can man alone escape from being soaked through by, and in, the Deity? We call our "Father in heaven" that deific essence of which we are cognizant within us, in our heart and spiritual consciousness, and which has nothing to do with the anthropomorphic conception we may form of it in our physical brain or its fancy: "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the spirit of (the absolute) God dwelleth in you?"* Yet,


*  One often finds in Theosophical writings conflicting statements about the Christos principle in man. Some call it the sixth principle (Buddhi), others the seventh (Atman). If Christian Theosophists wish to make use of such expressions, let them be made philosophically correct by following the analogy of the old Wisdom-religion symbols. We say that Christos is not only one of the three higher principles, but all the three regarded as a Trinity. This Trinity represents the Holy Ghost, the Father, and the Son, as it answers to abstract spirit,
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let no man anthropomorphise that essence in us. Let no Theosophist, if he would hold to divine, not human truth, say that this "God in secret" listens to, or is distinct from, either finite man or the infinite essence — for all are one. Nor, as just remarked, that a prayer is a petition. It is a mystery rather; an occult process by which finite and conditioned thoughts and desires, unable to be assimilated by the absolute spirit which is unconditioned, are translated into spiritual wills and the will; such process being called "spiritual transmutation." The intensity of our ardent aspirations changes prayer into the "philosopher's stone," or that which transmutes lead into pure gold. The only homogeneous essence, our "will-prayer" becomes the active or creative force, producing effects according to our desire.


ENQUIRER. Do you mean to say that prayer is an occult process bringing about physical results?


THEOSOPHIST. I do. Will-Power becomes a living power. But woe unto those Occultists and Theosophists, who, instead of crushing out the desires of the lower personal ego or physical man, and saying, addressing their Higher Spiritual EGO immersed in Atma-Buddhic light, "Thy will be done, not mine," etc., send up waves of will-power for selfish or unholy purposes! For this is black magic, abomination, and spiritual sorcery.

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differentiated spirit, and embodied spirit. Krishna and Christ are philosophically the same principle under its triple aspect of manifestation. In the Bhagavatgita we find Krishna calling himself indifferently Atman, the abstract Spirit, Kshetragna, the Higher or reincarnating Ego, and the Universal SELF, all names which, when transferred from the Universe to man, answer to Atma, Buddhi and Manas. The Anugita is full of the same doctrine.


Unfortunately, all this is the favourite occupation of our Christian statesmen and generals, especially when the latter are sending two armies to murder each other. Both indulge before action in a bit of such sorcery, by offering respectively prayers to the same God of Hosts, each entreating his help to cut its enemies' throats.


ENQUIRER. David prayed to the Lord of Hosts to help him smite the Philistines and slay the Syrians and the Moabites, and "the Lord preserved David whithersoever he went." In that we only follow what we find in the Bible.


THEOSOPHIST. Of course you do. But since you delight in calling yourselves Christians, not Israelites or Jews, as far as we know, why do you not rather follow that which Christ says? And he distinctly commands you not to follow "them of old times," or the Mosaic law, but bids you do as he tells you, and warns those who would kill by the sword, that they, too, will perish by the sword. Christ has given you one prayer of which you have made a lip prayer and a boast, and which none but the true  Occultist understands, In it you say, in your dead-sense meaning: "Forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors," which you never do. Again, he told you to love your enemies and do good to them that hate you. It is surely not the "meek prophet of Nazareth" who taught you to pray to your "Father" to slay, and give you victory over your enemies! This is why we reject what you call "prayers."


ENQUIRER. But how do you explain the universal fact that all nations and peoples have prayed to, and worshipped a God or Gods? Some have adored and propitiated devils and harmful spirits, but this only proves the universality of the belief in the efficacy of prayer.


THEOSOPHIST. It is explained by that other fact that prayer has several other meanings besides that given it by the Christians. It means not only a pleading or petition, but meant, in days of old, far more an invocation and incantation. The mantra, or the rhythmically chanted prayer of the Hindus, has precisely such a meaning, as the Brahmins hold themselves higher than the common devas or "Gods." A prayer may be an appeal or an incantation for malediction, and a curse (as in the case of two armies praying simultaneously for mutual destruction) as much as for blessing. And as the great majority of people are intensely selfish, and pray only for themselves, asking to be given their "daily bread" instead of working for it, and begging God not to lead them "into temptation" but to deliver them (the memorialists only) from evil, the result is, that prayer, as now understood, is doubly pernicious: (a) It kills in man self-reliance; (b) It develops in him a still more ferocious selfishness and egotism than he is already endowed with by nature. I repeat, that we believe in "communion" and simultaneous action in unison with our "Father in secret"; and in rare moments of ecstatic bliss, in the mingling of our higher soul with the universal essence, attracted as it is towards its origin and centre, a state, called during life Samadhi, and after death, Nirvana. We refuse to pray to created finite beings―i. e., gods, saints, angels, etc., because we regard it as idolatry. We cannot pray to the ABSOLUTE for reasons explained before; therefore, we try to replace fruitless and useless prayer by meritorious and good-producing actions.



ENQUIRER. Christians would call it pride and blasphemy. Are they wrong?


THEOSOPHIST. Entirely so. It is they, on the contrary, who show Satanic pride in their belief that the Absolute or the Infinite, even if there was such a thing as the possibility of any relation between the unconditioned and the conditioned―will stoop to listen to every foolish or egotistical prayer. And it is they again, who virtually blaspheme, in teaching that an Omniscient and Omnipotent God needs uttered prayers to know what he has to do! This―understood esoterically―is corroborated by both Buddha and Jesus. The one says "seek nought from the helpless Gods―pray not! but rather act; for darkness will not brighten. Ask nought from silence, for it can neither speak nor hear." And the other―Jesus―recommends: "Whatsoever ye shall ask in my name (that of Christos) that will I do." Of course, this quotation, if taken in its literal sense, goes against our argument. But if we accept it esoterically, with the full knowledge of the meaning of the term, "Christos," which to us represents Atma-Buddhi-Manas, the "SELF," it comes to this: the only God we must recognise and pray to, or rather act in unison with, is that spirit of God of which our body is the temple, and in which it dwelleth.
Title: Re: Do Not Get Fooled
Post by: Knowledge on March 24, 2009, 02:59:34 PM
Greetings Human,

After reading your post all I can say is; the way De I big already, you must be frighten to grow (any larger) :).
In other words;  A big Salute I send to de I. Because ya done know the route!

With Nuff thanx and kind regards

Health and Strength. stay conscious 
Title: Re: Do Not Get Fooled
Post by: Human on March 24, 2009, 03:51:36 PM
Respect Knowledge, give thanks.

An Omnipresent, Eternal, Boundless, and Immutable PRINCIPLE on which all speculation is impossible, since it transcends the power of human conception and could only be dwarfed by any human expression or similitude. It is beyond the range and reach of thought - "unthinkable and unspeakable."

William Q. Judge gives another explanation of this Absolute - refering to it as "the unknown":

Theosophy postulates an eternal principle called the unknown, which can never be cognized except through its manifestations. This eternal principle is in and is every thing and being; it periodically and eternally manifests itself and recedes again from manifestation. In this ebb and flow evolution proceeds and itself is the progress of the manifestation. The perceived universe is the manifestation of this unknown, including spirit and matter, for Theosophy holds that those are but the two opposite poles of the one unknown principle.
Title: Re: Do Not Get Fooled
Post by: natty threads on March 25, 2009, 11:44:20 PM
For any idiots not cognizant regarding theosophy, it is Babylonian sex-magick.

A theosophist is one who practices such abominations.

It is the anti-thesis of Ras'.

Bless up Human.
Thank-you for clarifying your true colors.

Your beliefs are the antithesis of Ras and are an abomination in the eyes of YHWH.

Selassie would NOT support your philosophy but rather would recognize it for the corrupt pollution it is.

Babylonian sex magick.

Which theosophy is, by definition.
Title: Re: Do Not Get Fooled
Post by: Human on March 26, 2009, 11:00:37 AM
Just another example of one who has never researched Theosophy or much of anything outside of church indoctrination, yet tries to define what they have never researched, always the same. Feel free to show me the definition of Theosophy and were you get it from.
Posted on: March 26, 2009, 01:28:36 AM
Your ranting in your posts towards me is perfectly fine and hardly surprising knowing your upbringing, but, it still and never will change the facts of what i posted and the wisdom of what was said in the THEOSOPHIST/ENQUIRER discussion. Please try and discuss rationally and with a sense of dignity your discrepancies with what i posted, don't post parables and psalms and bible quotes i would like you to tell me rationally how the ABSOLUTE and INFINITE creates and takes part in human affairs and has human traits such as jealousy, anger, spite, etc, etc. Dont just run away from the post shouting God hater and Babylonian and so forth, lets hear all that inspired wisdom you have from your studies, lets have some rational talks not hearsay, fantasy, illusory, superhero type discussion, lets talk in ways we all know and understand...natural order, nature, laws of nature...if you can do this than great but if your going to give me cop out mentality like "God can do anything" "you just gotta believe" "it's just faith" rant then please save that for the youth who wish to use there brain and intelligence no further.

Title: Re: Do Not Get Fooled
Post by: Knowledge on March 26, 2009, 01:06:30 PM
I find it strange bordering on the extremely funny how Natty Threads refers to the Theosophy as Babylonian Sex Magic. (BSM)
I have never heard of the term of Babylonian Sex Magic - why don't you enlighten us further as to what you are referring to.
In the absence of her explanation/clarification. I have profess to not knowing about BSM,  but given that I aspire to the notion
Make Love - Not War. Then maybe it' might not be a bad thing.

But before forming to an opinion, lets wait to hear her reasoning!