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Title: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Rastamik on June 15, 2011, 03:24:09 AM
Greetings Rastafari.
In my opinion it is illogical to refer to H.I.M. as JAH RASTAFARI unless I + I know H.I.M to be the earthly representation of our creator.There is only One God.JEHOVAH (JAH).Jesus came as the sacrificial lamb to bring a new covenant and to spread the ancient teachings among the gentiles.Jesus prayed to his Father ,was born ,lived and was crucified,as the ultimate blood sacrifice.Why would he be (physically)born again and live through the suffering that H.I.M. passed through.Jesus has already made the ultimate sacrifice so why should he pay again.In I opinion it is logical for the Father to establish the Throne for The Son (Jesus) to inherit as is written in scriptures.

In conclusion I am saying when I chant Jah Rastafari I am saying Emperor Haile Selassie I is Jehovah who walked on this earth to bring I + I a new name to prepare for the end of this time of conflict and to re-establish the Throne of David in world consciousness.King of Kings, Lord of Lords Conquering Lion of Judah.As it was in the beginning so shall it be in the end.

Blessings and Love
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: rasmoses on June 17, 2011, 11:05:29 PM
Thank you for stating the obvious.
Ras
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Eleazar on June 30, 2011, 09:37:50 PM
I see King RasTafarI as JAH the Almighty.   Selassie I is the King of Kings, Lord of Lords, Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah, Mighty and Thunderable Igziabeher.

Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: supereuropa on July 02, 2011, 09:24:40 AM
I see HIM as exactly what he said: the king of kings, lord of lords, conquering lion of the tribe of Judah and elect of God, but not as Jah himself.
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: HighSpirit on July 18, 2011, 03:56:17 PM
Greetings Rastafari.
In my opinion it is illogical to refer to H.I.M. as JAH RASTAFARI unless I + I know H.I.M to be the earthly representation of our creator.There is only One God.JEHOVAH (JAH).Jesus came as the sacrificial lamb to bring a new covenant and to spread the ancient teachings among the gentiles.Jesus prayed to his Father ,was born ,lived and was crucified,as the ultimate blood sacrifice.Why would he be (physically)born again and live through the suffering that H.I.M. passed through.Jesus has already made the ultimate sacrifice so why should he pay again.In I opinion it is logical for the Father to establish the Throne for The Son (Jesus) to inherit as is written in scriptures.


Greetings!
You are right Jah is the one and he is everything in life.
I think there are many people who spread much spiritual love and righteousness on earth, like H.I.M.
I have also respect of some teachers like Gandhi, Martin Luther King and some philosophers, but I always hold my faith to Jah.
For the I is his majesty the one who showed me the way to spirituality , because of this I pray everyday to Jah and Rastafari is my faith and my way.


In conclusion I am saying when I chant Jah Rastafari I am saying Emperor Haile Selassie I is Jehovah who walked on this earth to bring I + I a new name to prepare for the end of this time of conflict and to re-establish the Throne of David in world consciousness.King of Kings, Lord of Lords Conquering Lion of Judah.As it was in the beginning so shall it be in the end.


So we need to have open eyes to see Jah to know that we are the ones who have to get together to do Jah works!

Bless
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Knowledge on August 07, 2011, 11:35:16 AM
I have to smile when I read what some people believe to be the truth.

I can't tell a one how to think, but I can give food for thought.

The First Source of all Consciousness ( who I presume they mean is God) is so Enormous (universal) that mere words cannot express the infinite Power of the Infinite Awareness. The Jehovah God you are talking is the Sumerian (Babylonian) spin that they try to put forward, not that One can know the fullness of Infinity, but so that we become restrained and caught up in their material hell.  The real Yashua (Jesus) was an historical Person who denounced Rome, but he was hanged for his condemnation of them, and they then subsequently reworked their ideology, to subsume the truth and remove him from history (their story) and have the people believe in foolishness like Jesus the son of god etc Prophet Mohammad and so forth.

Rather than God creating Man in his Image ( a nonsensical concept) They had created a God in their image and with that doctrine they have enslaved the world.

Of course what I am articulating is only food for thought, but the truth is there, it never changes, the only thing that ever changes is the perception of the truth.  One has to feel in order to know, the truth resonates within the consciousness of the enlightened,

Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Rastamik on August 08, 2011, 01:21:42 AM
Greetings.
The point I was making is that words have power and it is important that I make a conscious decision if I choose to use the words Jah Rastafari.
Knowledge I question if what you have learned is true knowledge if it makes you feel that you are superior to others and I dont appreciate your condescension.Reasoning is the strength of Rastafari and I will discuss with you any points you would like to.

One Love


Rastafari
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Knowledge on August 13, 2011, 02:13:21 PM
Greetings.
The point I was making is that words have power and it is important that I make a conscious decision if I choose to use the words Jah Rastafari.
Knowledge I question if what you have learned is true knowledge if it makes you feel that you are superior to others and I dont appreciate your condescension.Reasoning is the strength of Rastafari and I will discuss with you any points you would like to.

One Love


Rastafari

I am taken aback that you find what I have to say is Condescending, or as you put it "condescension" As I said in my post, I am not telling anyone how to think, I'm just posting food for thought. If one finds what I'm saying to be so out of order  Then so be it, as I have not said anything that I do not believe to be true. Why I am not surprised at the negativity, as the suppression of knowledge is the Modus Operandi of the current system. By the way reasoning is reasoning the sharing of knowledge from an objective view point and not from emotional subjectivity. It is what it is.
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Oskar on April 14, 2013, 05:34:40 PM
give us the teachings of his majesty...

to say 'god creating man in his image is a nonsensical concept' is really to divert from the truth. as i understand it there is an imprint of the almighty within each and every one. it is only through layers of confusion that ones make choices or stray away from the foundational order.
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Knowledge on April 16, 2013, 11:46:48 AM
Yeah well it's not your understanding that I am dealing with. Read what I wrote, not what you assume that I mean. If you need clarification then by all need hghlight the point that a mad you and I will clarify, but don't make up non-sense and seek to attribute that to I. That is the correct way to cite an difference, not resorting to misrepresentation
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Oskar on April 16, 2013, 01:03:29 PM
nothing in the i post mad i. it is an assumption the i made that i did not read what the i did write. i did highlight what the i wrote that i don't agree with and in no way did i try to attribute i point of view to the i.

i for i self humble i self before the most high godheadcreator and don't pretend to be over him or call his place in creation nonsensical.
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Knowledge on April 16, 2013, 05:40:36 PM
You are being deluded as I clearly did not make any of the claims that you are citing. If you think that you are acting in a conscious manner then let me assure you, you are certainly not
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Oskar on April 17, 2013, 01:20:39 AM
yet again the i is in denial. the i said "God creating Man in his Image ( a nonsensical concept)". //reply #5 on: august 07, 2011, 12:35:16//

rather than accepting what the i call a nonsensical concept they had created another doctrine with which they had enslaved the world. the i still deny the original concept by calling it nonsensical so the i is not so much better than the ones the i blame for enslaving the world.
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Knowledge on April 17, 2013, 09:42:53 AM
As I said to you before I am not a biblical man, far far from it, but I seem to recall the following;
Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mk. 4.24
As you are a self professed adherent of this book, maybe you should follow what it preaches (in this instance)



 
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Oskar on April 17, 2013, 12:46:09 PM
i am not retreating from a higher standard. we are all equal before the most high and anyone putting himself above or as more important than the most high already lost the foundation.
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Knowledge on April 21, 2013, 10:02:58 AM
You state that you’re not retreating from a higher standard, but yet still you continue to lower the bar. Insofar as you continue to flout the rules of the very book you profess to adhere to.
I noted (with a wry smile) that you ended your two line comment with yet another subjective barb. Which is fair enough, but in sticking with your opening comment; re higher standard, your reference to the title of "the most high" as you have used it, is in fact rather low down in the pantheon of Creation, so to end your comment as you have, actually indicates you have indeed retreated from the higher standard to which you refer
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Oskar on April 21, 2013, 06:25:08 PM
his majesty already done show the way with respect for faith and people. i do not retreat from this. the most high may be low down in the estimate of the ungodly taking everything for granted. however that don't change the place of the creator, worthy to be praised for the air we breath and the foundation of life.
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Knowledge on April 23, 2013, 08:55:54 AM
You just going round in circles, you're not reasoning here, all you're doing is expressing your subjective opinion, which is fair enough. But just as long you know that it is all it is, then what can I add!!
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Oskar on April 23, 2013, 01:32:20 PM
faith is subjective, which i have explained to the i before in a straight forward manner. on the other hand the words and intent of his majesty is quite clear. it's not a matter of subjective opinion since words have definitions.
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Knowledge on April 24, 2013, 05:44:29 PM
Keep the faith!! ::)
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Oskar on April 25, 2013, 02:02:12 AM
indeed, what matters is how ones treat other people. in that i will do i best to guide people to be love with the same effort as his majesty was struggling against the conservative ruling class of ethiopia.
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Knowledge on May 12, 2013, 01:44:16 PM
indeed, what matters is how ones treat other people. in that i will do i best to guide people to be love with the same effort as his majesty was struggling against the conservative ruling class of ethiopia.
before any human being existed there was his majesty and before any planet earth existed there was his majesty in pure meditation.

Further to the two quotes above, both attributable to you I'm not even going to ask anyone to spot the difference, I just want to know how could a One who existed before any human and (in your own words), actually existed before planet earth, come to be struggling against the very people he created? 
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Oskar on May 12, 2013, 04:47:46 PM
people have a will of their own. his majesty represent the most high and at the same time a human being and the struggle to stay with a true understanding. his majesty being the pinnacle of foundations don't bypass the need to reach the people.
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Knowledge on May 19, 2013, 12:51:57 PM
people have a will of their own. his majesty represent the most highand at the same time a human being and the struggle to stay with a true understanding. his majesty being the pinnacle of foundations don't bypass the need to reach the people.

Really?? Aw come on, You're just stringing words together! It’s either that or somewhere between your cranium and the PC, an extreme malfunction of translation has occurred.
Anyway moving on; As you're aware, in answer to your previous assertion that "His Majesty existed before any human being and before any planet earth." I asked you to explain "how could he end up struggling against the very people he created?"

In answer to your reply, notwithstanding the nonsensical elements of your garbled response, I would just like you to explain to I who exactly then is the "most high"that you now claim (within your reply) to be "represented by his majesty"?
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Oskar on May 19, 2013, 07:48:12 PM
the most high is the creator who created the earth and the universe and made human beings to have free will. that people choose to exercise their free will against his majesty don't disprove the most high. it is through a limited perspective that they think they have something to gain by disregarding the foundation and guidance of the most high.
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Knowledge on May 26, 2013, 09:07:41 AM
Your garbled response is cause for concern, on the one hand you claim that Selassie existed before humans and also before planet earth, indeed you also state that it is hailie selassie that you praise. However, you then come back with a narrative (albeit extremely sparse) proclaiming that his majesty (whom we assume is hailie selassie) is merely representative of the most high. WTF!!

I think you ought to take the time to clearly articulate your assertions and not just write down thoughts that come to you and may appear to be coherent (whilst in your head), but lose any clarity or sense once you commit them to writing. 
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Oskar on May 26, 2013, 05:45:05 PM
faith rarely comes across as coherent and logical, especially when ones try to explain it to others. the i can't ask i about i faith and expect i answer to be in such a way.

haile selassie is the most high and a manifestation of the most high at the same time. the most high is not limited to flesh and blood yet his majesty is a manifestation to the fullest. i for iself don't have any doubt in haile selassie the first.
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Knowledge on May 28, 2013, 05:46:27 PM
faith rarely comes across as coherent and logical, especially when ones try to explain it to others. the i can't ask i about i faith and expect i answer to be in such a way.
haile selassie is the most high and a manifestation of the most high at the same time. the most high is not limited to flesh and blood yet his majesty is a manifestation to the fullest. i for iself don't have any doubt in haile selassie the first.

So what you are saying; is that the faith you expound, is basically known only to you? If you are asked to reason about your take on things, i.e. Rastafari, you readily admit that you cannot be expected to participate within a conscious reasoning/discussion in a coherent and logical manner that would bring clarity.
That is scary!!

In light of your proclamation regarding His Majesty, I would just reiterate what I’ve said before, “It’s the easiest thing for a zealot or equally disturbed person to make claims that they cannot explain or clarify.”  

But yet again, I would end by saying; you cling to what you believe.

Whilst we stick with what we know!!
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Oskar on May 28, 2013, 05:58:34 PM
selassie the first is know to have said something to the effect of 'don't question the faith of others because who can know the ways of the most high?'. faith is something between a one and the most high. of course we can reason about it but it must be with the understanding that the most high can show himself in a different way to another.

the foundation is set with love however and reality respond with established cause and effect that we certainly can reason about.
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Knowledge on May 29, 2013, 08:02:53 AM
Like I said previously, cling on to your" thing"and good luck with that.
I note the way you seek to wriggle your way out of the incoherent and illogical scenario you've set -for yourself, by seeking yet again to involve Selassie I.
Have you no shame? Thou should NOT take your Lord's name in vain

Instead of seeking to make up nonsense regarding HIM, I would suggest that you re-read what I wrote regarding your shallow references to Selassie I, which is as follows; “It’s the easiest thing for a zealot or equally disturbed person to make claims that they cannot explain or clarify.”  

Indeed I could venture to ask how does Selassie I show himself to you, which differs from how he reveals himself to the rest of us? But that would be a futile exercise, for what you demonstrate is synonymous with a person who is exhibiting paranoid delusion or who really is suffering from a major lack of overstanding!
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Oskar on May 29, 2013, 01:02:07 PM
i am not trying to wriggle my way out of anything. i am quite comfortable reasoning about faith as well as objective truth. at least i am not fool enough to try to define and measure that which can not be defined or measured objectively, such as the most high. a zealot or a disturbed person would try to present their faith as objective truth while i recognize each in their valid place.

it would indeed be invalid for the i to assume that everyone except i would have the same revelation of the most high as the most high reveal himself in a personal way to each and everyone, and misleading as different don't equal wrong in matters of faith simply because a complete understanding of the most high is well above and beyond the limited capabilities of the human mind. the best i and i can do about it is to recognize this and humbly accept i and i position in regard to the most high.

the i calling i paranoid and delusional only show the i lack of sensible grasp of what we are talking about.
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Knowledge on May 29, 2013, 09:20:32 PM
Well I guess it’s pretty hard for you to say anything else, is it? You state that "you are quite comfortable reasoning about faith", well if being illogical and incoherent is your definition of reasoning then I guess you would feel quite comfortable. I note that as you have nothing constructive to say you readily resort to your default setting, i.e. the straw-man argument. To which my response would be to query how can something that cannot be defined or measured, be measured? Why would you seek to allude to impossible feats to try and illustrate a futile point? Isn’t that the actions of a fool?
You mention the most high (yet again) but to be honest that particular title doesn’t resonate with me as I do not see the First Source, i.e. The Divine Awareness in such a way. Does the position of Most High even qualify for a mention when one considers the Higher ranks of creation?
Your statement that "a zealot, etc  ...would try to present their faith as objective truth"is more nonsense, as faith cannot be equated with objective truth.
I asked you "how Selassie I revealed himself to you in a way that differs from the rest of us?" Again you fail to answer what most would consider to be a straight  forward question, instead choosing to bamboozle yourself with gibberish.

One last thing, we aspire to know and overstand, we never seek to merely understand and rely on faith because that is indeed grasping  -  at straws!
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Oskar on May 30, 2013, 08:34:16 AM
reasoning about faith is more of a sharing thing and explaining ones position. as i have said before faith is a personal thing between a one and the most high, it is not for forcing others to follow ones own faith. the i may perceive i faith as illogical and incoherent simply because the i don't have the same experience as i have. experiencing what i experience make i faith perfectly logical and coherent and applicable at a personal level. it is the i that is out of bounds thinking the i know i experience better than i.

i am not arguing with the i about names or titles of the creator. first source, most high or his majesty is all fine by i and i accept that people name this entity in many ways.

the i is contradicting the i self in several ways, not living up to the logical standard the i expect of others, again being a hypocrite. first the i call nonsense when i defining a disturbed person as presenting their faith as objective truth, only to go on and agree that faith is not objective.

the i further ask how selassie reveal himself to i in a way that differs from others. i can not know how selassie reveal himself to others so i can not tell how it differs. the i should try to exercise the logic that the i is asking for.

faith is not something flimsy or grasping. faith is complete trust or confidence. solid as a rock.
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Knowledge on June 02, 2013, 11:57:59 AM
Well, well, well!! Why am I not surprised with your latest riposte?

I find your response to be more of the same, nonsense interspersed with “untrue accounts” or to put it more bluntly, your low level tactic, i.e. where you accuse I of something that I have not written, then seek to strengthen your false accusation with a deliberately misleading embellishment, speaks volumes.     For at no time whatsoever have I ended up (as you put it), agreeing with you that faith is not objective, simply because I have never proclaimed faith to be objective!
In fact the assertion that faith and objectivity are related issues has been your stance. I would remind you that I have always been consistent with my view concerning faith as any objective reader would grasp if they have read my postings.  Meanwhile it is you who makes (and continues to make) the assertions about my perception regarding your illogical and incoherent proclamations and how they are perfectly logical and coherent to you!
Really? Well let us just have a look at some of your statements and let the readers decide for themselves, shall we? These are some of the quotes you attributed to you regarding faith, and maybe it’s just me, but I for one find it hard to see how they demonstrate a lucid and coherent explanation of the topic, do you?
reasoning about faith is more of a sharing thing and explaining ones position                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   i am quite comfortable reasoning about faith as well as objective truth                                        
at least i am not fool enough to try to define and measure that which can not be defined or measured objectively, such as the most high.
faith rarely comes across as coherent and logical, especially when ones try to explain it to others.  the i can't ask i about i faith and expect i answer to be in such a way.

faith is subjective, which i have explained to the i before in a straight forward manner. on the other hand the words and intent of his majesty is quite clear. it's not a matter of subjective opinion since words have definitions.

Bearing in mind that I wrote the following;
Indeed the term faith stems from 12th Century English word feith, which itself comes from contemporary 12th Century Latin fides ="duty of fulfilling one's TRUST (agreement) with the Church (Roman Cult)". The term is deliberately corrupted from the earlier - non legal meaning of the word, which included the following "confidence, reliance, belief, word of honor".

The word only acquired its spiritual association i.e. "An obligation of loyalty or fidelity to the Doctrine of the Church (Roman Cult)" in the 14th Century. But
by the 18th Century, the word faith finally acquired its generic meaning "A BELIEF that something is TRUE and/or REAL".
Then for you to write “it’s not a matter of subjective opinion since words have definitions,” makes you out to be rather illogical, as you are now seeking to use the very point I have been consistently making, against me?? Yeah right! Good luck with that...

Indeed you seem to be somewhat delusional with you outpourings regarding your faith and your own special connection to His Majesty, which you seem to feel is something unique to you, but of which you cannot explain in a coherent or logical manner.  The last character I heard of with that problem went and got himself someone who could articulate to the masses the vibes that he felt that he got from the almighty/most high – so to speak!
In light of your own monumental failure to submit a coherent explanation it might well be advisable (and also be of help to you) if you went and did the same!
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Oskar on June 02, 2013, 03:35:06 PM
i mentioned before i don't care about what meaning the catholic church did assign to the word faith. for anyone interested in the meaning of the word faith in context of this forum and his majesty haile selassie the first i would suggest studying what his majesty himself has written about it on various occasions.

words have definitions indeed that the meaning of the very words themselves depend on. when the i explain the i have been referring to the catholic definition, good luck with that. i for iself have been referring to what i use.
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Knowledge on June 03, 2013, 07:21:40 AM
You are obviously a very close minded and subjective person....Keep your faith!!
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Oskar on June 03, 2013, 12:07:10 PM
i own faith is very subjective yet in science i try to be objective. this is not something that is in conflict with each other. more love and more life. selassie first.
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Knowledge on June 05, 2013, 03:23:47 PM
Yes but your faith and the overstanding of Rastafari is two entirely different ting, hence I say keep your faith! But don't confuse that faith with Rastafari, cos it ain't the same ting! Seen!!
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Oskar on June 06, 2013, 09:23:04 AM
what i been saying is don't get confused by opinions of faith and go straight to rastafari him haile selassie the first and see what him say about the worth and value of faith. halie selassie the first continually.
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Knowledge on June 09, 2013, 09:24:26 AM
what i been saying is don't get confused by opinions of faith and go straight to rastafari him haile selassie the first and see what him say about the worth and value of faith. halie selassie the first continually.

I for one don't get confused with "opinions of faith " as you put it!
As I said to you before; I don't deal with faith, it is only truth that interest I, seen!! Faith is just when someone tells you how they feels it goes without actually having a clue as to the truth. What I know, I know and  What I don't know, I don't know, but what I don't do, is to substitute what I don't know with falsehood and fakery, and then have the audacity, to claim that my lack of information/truth, is my 'subjective' faith!

I go and find the truth As the adage goes; "Knock and the door shall be opened, seek and you will find, ask and it shall be answered"
Ah so conscious people flex, that is how heartical Rasta stay!
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Oskar on June 09, 2013, 04:14:32 PM
to substitute the truth with falsehood and fakery and calling it faith is not adhering to the definition of the word. what the i is talking about is trickery and deceit where one person fools another. real faith is between a one and the most high and don't carry any bad intentions.
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Knowledge on June 16, 2013, 11:51:05 AM
You are  talking absolute nonsense. As you said previously, your faith is a subjective thing that you cannot discuss in a rational or objective manner, so anything you write or refer to, regarding your subjective and irrational thinking, simply cannot be taken seriously as you've already conceded that its merely your own misinformed/misguided perspective, which any conscious man/woman ought to avoid
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Oskar on June 16, 2013, 03:12:29 PM
i faith is something between the most high and iself and not for anyone to meddle in. the reason i said something about it is because the i was asking about it. and as i have said, reasoning about faith we must accept that it is impossible to transfer the knowledge of personal experience without it being subjective expression.
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Knowledge on June 22, 2013, 10:30:13 AM
i faith is something between the most high and iself and not for anyone to meddle in. the reason i said something about it is because the i was asking about it. and as i have said, reasoning about faith we must accept that it is impossible to transfer the knowledge of personal experience without it being subjective expression.


You not making no sense whatsoever, it come in like you are stuck in a loop.
As I wrote earlier and will reiterate for the last time,
"your faith is a subjective thing that you cannot discuss in a rational or objective manner, so anything you write or refer to, regarding your subjective and irrational thinking, simply cannot be taken seriously as you've already conceded that its merely your own misinformed/misguided perspective, which any conscious man/woman ought to avoid"

I am certainly not meddling in your faith actually quite the opposite, I would welcome it if you left your faith out of it and just dealt with truth and rights, seen!
 



Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Oskar on June 22, 2013, 07:25:35 PM
i am simply repeating iself because the i don't get what i am saying. what the i think about it is not how i see it. it is easy for i to see that the i don't get what i am saying. i know i own point of view.

i faith is i experience and the truth. i can't blame the i for not seeing it. relax and stop pointing fingers in a judgmental way about i experience because it is not yours to comment on.
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Knowledge on July 02, 2013, 11:29:51 AM
I feel that if you actually went and sought after the truth rather than merely shouting very loudly about your own unique faith then you might actually become a better person for doing so. The easiest thing is to simply sit there and shout out that you believe and that you have faith, faith in what?? Something that apparently makes complete sense to you (and you alone) inside your head, but then transforms into subjective non-sense as soon as it leaves your cranium!

Well I won't be rude with my response, I will simply reiterate what I've said to you before, on many occasions you hang on to that faith.

But I will say one thing; your experience and the truth are two vastly different things, you would be wise not to confuse the two, that is how delusion begins...
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Oskar on July 02, 2013, 04:05:22 PM
faith indeed is personal and the business of no one else. for people to get along what matters is if we treat each other with respect. no one person is exactly the same as another so to live in peace we must acknowledge that there will be differences. that in itself is no reason for quarrel and conflict, not even disagreement.
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: S Garvey13 on July 03, 2013, 11:34:08 PM
Far be it for me to interfere, and do tell me to mind my own business if you like, but Knowledge, wouldn't you be better focussing your energy in practicing your faith, getting on with your life and just letting Oskar do his thing instead of constantly picking him up on pretty much every post he makes?
 I don't wanna start a row as I hate conflict, but I see a situation that is quite hostile here on what should be a peaceful forum.
 Again, tell me to mind my own business if you like and I will. I'm not picking sides with anyone either, I just want the arguing to stop. Please.  :)
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Rasta Nick on July 04, 2013, 10:28:09 AM
Far be it for me to interfere, and do tell me to mind my own business if you like, but Knowledge, wouldn't you be better focussing your energy in practicing your faith, getting on with your life and just letting Oskar do his thing instead of constantly picking him up on pretty much every post he makes?
 I don't wanna start a row as I hate conflict, but I see a situation that is quite hostile here on what should be a peaceful forum.
 Again, tell me to mind my own business if you like and I will. I'm not picking sides with anyone either, I just want the arguing to stop. Please.  :)
I thoroughly agree!!!
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Knowledge on July 06, 2013, 08:56:17 AM
Far be it for me to interfere, and do tell me to mind my own business if you like, but Knowledge, wouldn't you be better focussing your energy in practicing your faith, getting on with your life and just letting Oskar do his thing instead of constantly picking him up on pretty much every post he makes?
 I don't wanna start a row as I hate conflict, but I see a situation that is quite hostile here on what should be a peaceful forum.
 Again, tell me to mind my own business if you like and I will. I'm not picking sides with anyone either, I just want the arguing to stop. Please.  :)


I note that in coming to the aid of your friend (Oskar) that you conveniently ignore facts but fair enough... You are entitled to that! Although it seems extremely strange that you have not pointed one thing that I have written that is wrong, muchless explain why you feel that I am being wrong (or negative as you insinuate), inspite of the fact that I have consistently explained to your friend Oskar why he is wrong with his post, I find it strange given the ratio of post submitted by your Idrin compared to posts submitted by I, that you readily target me for your attention!! But as I said I previously,you are entitled to do that!  

As for Nick, well we already done know from long time that you have your own bias against I, but I suppose that happens when someone comes with objective truth and not subjective belief. As a man once sang, "men will fight you down when you see the light" ah so de system stay still.

One last thing (S Garvey 13) as I already explain to your friends them, I don't practice faith, i.e. theory based around fiction, seen! I live a real life
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Rasta Nick on July 06, 2013, 09:52:00 AM
You are welcome and free (obviously) to think, do, eat and behave etc however you like. To assume I have a bias against anyone would be to assume that I have a vested interest in what they type here.

This is one page out of millions on the internet and recently it's content is knowledge and oskar disagreeing about everything. It is not uplifting or enlightening for many I am sure, but if that is what you wish to do with your day and you believe that it is beneficial in anyway to anything other than your on ego then who I am to judge.

Obviously you may, and probably will post a reply, but I shall refrain from further comment since like sgarvey13 I have voiced my opinion and have nothing further to say on the matter. Nor do I feel any need to bolster or justify my opinion. Should something of interest be posted I read it, but personally I find no interest in the pair of you both saying "I am right, you are wrong". Many words are used to say this, and many topics are covered. Yet every topic comes back to the same thing. The pair of you disagree and it seems neither of you wish to simply accept that fact, move on, or look for some common ground. So be it. It is your choice how you spend your time. Infact it would appear from a cursory observation of your posts that you are both trying to ram your personal truths down each others throat until the other bends to your superior will. In my humble opinion that is tiresome and pointless, and probably how slavery began, but it is only my opinion and mostly I really have no opinion on your interaction since like many I lost interested months ago :)

Anyways, have a brilliant day and continue to do whatever it is you enjoy,

One Love.
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: S Garvey13 on July 06, 2013, 12:01:30 PM


I note that in coming to the aid of your friend (Oskar) that you conveniently ignore facts but fair enough... You are entitled to that! Although it seems extremely strange that you have not pointed one thing that I have written that is wrong, muchless explain why you feel that I am being wrong (or negative as you insinuate), inspite of the fact that I have consistently explained to your friend Oskar why he is wrong with his post, I find it strange given the ratio of post submitted by your Idrin compared to posts submitted by I, that you readily target me for your attention!! But as I said I previously,you are entitled to do that!  

As for Nick, well we already done know from long time that you have your own bias against I, but I suppose that happens when someone comes with objective truth and not subjective belief. As a man once sang, "men will fight you down when you see the light" ah so de system stay still.

One last thing (S Garvey 13) as I already explain to your friends them, I don't practice faith, i.e. theory based around fiction, seen! I live a real life

Hi Knowledge. I'm not coming to the aid of Oskar, and though he is not a friend of mine per se, I consider everyone a friend lest the try to make an enemy of me and then I will try to reason with them to the best of my ability. Failing that I wll just avoid them.
With regards to facts, I'm not overly interested in who is right or wrong with their information. I just see aggression and hostility in the posts made, and from what I have seen your posts do seem to be the more aggressive ones. Like I said I'm not picking sides, I just hate conflict, even if it is just words.
 If you can't agree on your views or philosophies or what you consider facts then wouldn't it be better just to agree to disagree and leave it at that? That goes for anyone on the forum, yourself, Oskar and myself included. I have many friends all with different views on aspects of the world in which we live, some we agree on and some we don't but we never argue about it.
 I can imagine people who view this forum as guests being put off from joining if they see constant sniping at eachother from two of it's longest subscribers. If someone comes on and reads your posts and then Oskars and sees there is a difference of opinion on a particular aspect, then they can ask questions or go away and study further to find out more for themselves.
 All I'm asking is that the pair of you just end the bitterness and set aside your differences for the good of the forum if not for your own selves.
 I won't make further comment on this, but if either of you want to ask me anything then I will oblige with a reply.
 Om mani padme hum.  :)
Title: !
Post by: Knowledge on July 06, 2013, 04:19:35 PM
@Nick

The truth is ridiculed
Then it is violently opposed
before it is accepted as obviously so,

Whereas you seek to justify your biased venting of opinion against I. I am not going to sink, to your level of argument! I think you should go back and read what I have written (and to which you so patently object) with objectivity and truth as your benchmark and then come back with a meaningful response.
Posted on: July 06, 2013, 04:51:52 PM
@SGarvey 13; Amongst other things; you state the following "If someone comes on and reads your posts and then Oskars and sees there is a difference of opinion on a particular aspect, then they can ask questions or go away and study further to find out more for themselves. "
I find your intervention in this matter to be somewhat strange, although I note that you've modified your bias in terms of directing your opinion at the both of us - this time. However, I find your reasoning to be flawed insofar as if you read my tings properly, you would see that I make it clear that in respect of my posts, that others can go and check it out, that is indeed a constant feature of mine, and which is in complete contrast with Oskar, who makes it clear that his submissions are in the main based upon his own subjective opinion. Indeed the issue I have with him is that he constantly provides misfinformation and frequently submits things that are not an accurate account of what has transpired particuarly when it comes to Church History and notwithstanding African (Black) Hstory and it's part in the formulation of the system. Seen!!

But to be clear, (cos it seem like you and Nick, et al , think I have a fixation on Oskar), I do not go round on a tit for tat ting wid him, as I said to you previously him post nuff tings on a more frequent ratio than I, indeed there are somethings that him post that I agree wid , and somethings that I certainly don't, but I don't respond to them all! However, there are some tings/opinions that he posts that I fundamentally disagree with and I feel that (just as you and the rest of them can rail up against I so,), I can make a valid point! But all said and done! I nah fight Oskar like say him is I personal enemy, you never see that I write anything like 'fire bun' or anything like that against him. Cos all said and done is One Love I ah deal wid, not hate, and I'm conscious enough to know there is but one Judge seen!
Ps this is a clarification and not justification, as I certainly don't have anything I need to justify. Seen!!!
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Oskar on July 06, 2013, 09:12:17 PM
@knowledge
in regard to faith there is no objective truth simply because the relationship with the most high is a personal one. it seem the i call it fiction simply because the i can't overstand the mechanics of this. the i should know the i boundaries and stop scorning others only because they have a different experience.

@rasta nick
many a time i have shared i view only to get a response from knowledge that it is nonsense or gibberish. there is no need to belittle it like that and instead simply acknowledge that it is i view. i am not the one disrespecting differences.
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Jesuslife on November 08, 2013, 06:49:48 PM
For some a name is not enough therefore there will be prophets in his image and name
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Incense on December 03, 2013, 07:13:05 AM
Quote from: Rastamik link=topic=8236. msg77981#msg77981 date=1308108249
Greetings Rastafari.
In my opinion it is illogical to refer to H. I. M.  as JAH RASTAFARI unless I + I know H. I. M to be the earthly representation of our creator. There is only One God. JEHOVAH (JAH). Jesus came as the sacrificial lamb to bring a new covenant and to spread the ancient teachings among the gentiles. Jesus prayed to his Father ,was born ,lived and was crucified,as the ultimate blood sacrifice. Why would he be (physically)born again and live through the suffering that H. I. M.  passed through. Jesus has already made the ultimate sacrifice so why should he pay again. In I opinion it is logical for the Father to establish the Throne for The Son (Jesus) to inherit as is written in scriptures.

In conclusion I am saying when I chant Jah Rastafari I am saying Emperor Haile Selassie I is Jehovah who walked on this earth to bring I + I a new name to prepare for the end of this time of conflict and to re-establish the Throne of David in world consciousness. King of Kings, Lord of Lords Conquering Lion of Judah. As it was in the beginning so shall it be in the end.

Blessings and Love

Posted on: December 03, 2013, 01:44:41 AM
Quote from: Incense link=topic=8236. msg80471#msg80471 date=1386031481

I and I am not so good with computers butt even I can see.  There is some hole in the reasonings here.  I have not read 2000 or 20,000 posts.  Here I try to quote "why would he come again?" Thin about it.  Of all these Reasonings. .  stuck right in the middle of one, ignored.  So I and I say Why would he come again? (with indignant rage )
Posted on: December 03, 2013, 01:50:11 AM
Quote from: Incense link=topic=8236. msg80472#msg80472 date=1386031811

Posted on: December 03, 2013, 01:44:41 AM
These are Men? These are normal Men? No these are not normal Men.  Anymore than you are a King.  Can we admit we are less a man than another Man. ? Yes, yes we are far less.  Alot of talk that there are many Kings, Martin Luther, Yourself.  But you lie even to yourself.  Nieter Martin, youeself, nor Bob nor NOT Moses . . .  Etc.  When we speak of Jesus it is not a Man nor King, not God nor Angel.  The King of Kings whos father is in Heaven. 

Posted on: December 03, 2013, 07:11:06 AM
Quote from: Incense link=topic=8236. msg80475#msg80475 date=1386051066

Posted

Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Oskar on December 07, 2013, 08:27:18 PM
satan is not gone so the livity is still needed. live and love. be one with him. selassie first.
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Incense on December 15, 2013, 08:09:55 PM
Let us not make the mistake of 50% of Christianity by sating he is God. .   nor we are Kings.  This is a temptaion put there by competition with Christians who are wrongminded. 
The King of Kings who's father is in heaven.
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Oskar on December 18, 2013, 03:41:13 PM
the i may believe thinking the i will die and go to heaven. i will tell the i that life is here and now. also that selassie the first is the almighty. don't concern the i with the faith of others. live and let live, selassie first.
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Incense on December 24, 2013, 03:58:11 AM
BUT I DO CONCERN WITH THE KING AND SO MUST YOU.  THERE IS BUT ONE TRUITH AND THERE IS BUT ONE FAITH. 
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Oskar on December 24, 2013, 08:05:37 AM
the i is free to rule the i self so in a sense there are many different faith because faith is a personal thing and only the almighty can judge in that arena, as per his majesty's instruction. anyone would be truly arrogant to think themselves would know everything of how the almighty deal with all people within themselves. still, the one truth the i is touching upon is that love is the only truth that is above them all. it is the furtherance of all things except conflict. selassie first, always.
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Incense on January 08, 2014, 02:21:47 AM
Jah Bless
Posted on: December 25, 2013, 03:00:57 AM
Jah Bless
I and I. Find it funny how often we say Jah bless and Jah bless that. I just can not argue with love. But honestly yes we have been Judged and we continue to be Judged not because of our merit but by our foolishness that we continue to add on to. Not jah bless and Not Jah Bless. Jah has judged you yet you do not listen. JAH SAID FIRST FOR YOU TO GO TO JESUS YET YE DEAD. I WILL NOT CONTINUE.
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Oskar on January 13, 2014, 02:17:05 PM
as i look upon the world there is a lot of foolishness that does not get punishment and a lot of good that does not get merit. ' yet for a little time the foolish will go on'. time is a variable and what is today may not be tomorrow. as i see it the creator don't really intervene all by himself. him give strength to human beings to intervene if they so choose. human beings can not judge without being judged themselves so live and let live and don't deal wickedness towards one another.
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Incense on January 13, 2014, 02:39:10 PM
Yes, it does my heart well to hear this, I and I. Tough I and I believe there is more to the story. There
Was
love
love for these people and love in these people.
There was a plan and education. Its not those peoples fault to believe in love. If there is fault it is on us all. but we must not say all we need is love. Because our time is not yet. Looking back it is easy to see.
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Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Oskar on January 13, 2014, 04:53:32 PM
if we have everything else except love we are lacking the most important thing. if we first have love, everything else falls into place.
Title: Re: H.I.M. = Jesus
Post by: Incense on January 15, 2014, 12:53:46 AM
if we have everything else except love we are lacking the most important thing. if we first have love, everything else falls into place.
Jah Bless