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EmpressGong

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Ras Ravin I speaks on Internet Rastas
« on: April 03, 2005, 08:38:16 PM »

INTERNET RASTA

How good and pleasant it is for InI to reason in
inity, the real question is” are we really reasoning
in love and inity"? Or are we trying to show each
other how much we think we know? Are we doing this to
boost our egos or are we doing the reasoning to
elevate and upgrade the quality of life for our
people? Are we doing it because we know how to use
computers? cause not everybody in the world have a
computer, so some people are not seeing you or will
never know who you are.

The thing is, most of the time we see that ones who
seemingly think that because they have a college
education makes them more elevated because they can
use  long and large words. That really has no
relevance to life and the existence of InI people.

Let I tell you what we don’t need,( and personally I
don’t really care how you take it)  we don’t need
lengthy rhetoric’s, and  “deep” reasoning that don’t
bear fruit, and in the end are only empty words,
action speaks louder than words,

So keep in mind while you come on the internet and
post your lengthy reasons for why you think the world
is as it is, people are dying and suffering and in
need of support and help, what are you doing to help?

Everywhere, everyday a new Rasta organization takes
birth, a new line of reasoning, another one jump on
the bandwagon, a new reggae musician is born, a new
song is sung, a new fashion is created, everyone wants
to create their “own” little Rasta house, they all
have reasons why we should eat this and not eat that,
and how and why we should join this or that house of
Rases and which one is right and which one is wrong
and who is black and who is white, meanwhile, all we
doing is actually boosting our egos, “new” Rasta
philosophies are rising on a daily basis, now we have
the “fulfilled” Rastas, the original concept and
tenets of Rastafari is being silently and skillfully
diverted away from its Afrocentric spiritual base to
satisfy the slave master’s need to remain in control
of our labor, these posers who are still colonized and
indoctrinated with European Christianity and religious
beliefs, they want nothing more than to retain control
of the way they have educated us to “see” God.

Now, the other thing is, the language, this one kills
me, for some reason or the other, ones believe that
they must speak patois, (preferably Jamaican) so they
post on the internet boards in pure “patois” or at
best try to, and I sit and wonder, perhaps I may have
missed something, why is it that we think we have to
“sound” like a Caribbean person to be considered
Rasta? Does this give us authenticity or do you think
that you will be easier accepted? In all my life on
this trod I have never seen where it says that we have
to do that. Listen people, stop doing that, if you are
not from the Caribbean, leave the patois alone,
because when you write it, it “sounds” like when you
put your foot in dog poop. It would be more
productive, if you learnt the concept and phonics of
“I-n-I” Rasta word sound. Hear is some information for
you, Caribbean people DO NOT write in patois, simply,
because it is not a language, although it is spoken,
it varies from island to island, so it cannot be
“pinned” down to one phonical sound, that is why the
Rasta language is more universal, as it was designed
by Jah to serve I-n-I in different parts of the world,
the concept of “I” is easier to bend into our communal
word sound.

So while you sit and argue and not come to any
conclusion, and ask for source proof of reasonings,
keep in mind that all you are doing is being
contentious, funny how the educated dunces always ask
for proof and they say “produce your sources” and I
get this from mostly European people and colonized
Blacks. It’s as though us “uneducated” people can’t
think for ourselves.

While you loudmouths write your pretty words and
lengthy reasons, and act as though you know, and tell
me that you “identify” with my pain, let me tell you
something, you don’t have a clue as to what pain is,
let me tell you another thing, when a people has been
dehumanized, victimized, and robbed of cultural
identity from name change to the very core of their
spiritual livity, that is pain, can you “identify
“with that? Or do you believe that by dressing in our
cultural clothing qualifies you to be “in pain” do you
believe that dress codes is all you need to “become”
like I n I ? While we accept the teachings and lessons
of HIM Haile Selassie, let me remind you, as HIM
treated the Italians with love and mercy and
forgiveness, likewise we do the same for you, so do
not come and ask me to “produce my sources”. JAH IS MY
SOURCE.

The Rastafari nation needs its adherents to organize
and centralize its economic and spiritual base, so as
to better approach I-n-I problems, the word is “come
out of her my children”

We all want the same thing, when I sit in my hammock
and listen to the pain of my people, and smell the
blood that has been shed, I can still smell the blood
of the 60's and 70's of the good friends who have
fallen in battle so that you can come on the internet
and ask me for sources,
Know this, we are runaway slaves! We are building a
nation from the scraps of humanity; there are those of
us who still nurse the wounds left on our bodies and
minds inflicted on us by this dirty and corrupted
shitstem.


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EmpressGong

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Re: Ras Ravin I speaks on Internet Rastas
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2005, 08:44:18 PM »

CONTD

While we welcome u, and the strength that I know you
posses, bear in mind that this real and not some "new"
fashion, and while you chant JAH RASTAFARI know that
you are taking the name of the Lord thy god into your
mouth. Do not take it in vain....
Ras ravin -I


I came across this on a Rasta Wombman forum I go to, and I thought it would be good to share his MESSAGE with everyone. It is important everyone just take in what he is saying, this may help us get along better in our reasonings.

Moreover, his thoughts on patois I agree with in the sense that to be Rasta you do not have to speak in Jamaican Creole, and should rather stick to Dread talk and Iyaric (I and I, fyah bun, chalice, overstand etc). It does seem weird to hear other people outside of the C'bean use it when its not their native tongue. I am from the Cbean and I speak my own dialect called Bajan. You dont need to speak patois to "fit in." Its what u are saying that matters.

However, him saying that jamaicans and other creole speakers dont write patois I wouldnt really agree on that. We write in Bajan in some parts of our newspaper, I wouldnt be surprised if Jamaicans etc did too.

anyways, Its a good message I hope you all like it as I did. if you want to read more about this thread, there are other articles posted on Jamaican language:

http://groups.msn.com/HaileSistersInternational/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=11753

EmpressGong


« Last Edit: April 03, 2005, 08:51:48 PM by EmpressGong »
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Re: Ras Ravin I speaks on Internet Rastas
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2005, 09:30:21 PM »

Ii wy em hotep!

Interesting article, many good reasonings here.

I and I agree with the parts about raspectful reasonings and not letting the ego infiltrate one's message, however I dissapointedly find some negative vibes in the work.

The lot concerning portraying Europeans as courrupted colonists is, although perhaps historically accurate, useless nowadays.  I really don't see how the Afrocentric views of RasTafarI serve a greater purpose than recognizing one's heritage, which in itself is a noble aim, but I fear that some may be emphasize the more militant and separationalist side of this Afrocentricity.

Ras Ravin I speaks of the  "...slave master’s need to remain in control
of our labor, these posers who are still colonized and
indoctrinated with European Christianity and religious
beliefs, they want nothing more than to retain control
of the way they have educated us to “see” God"  

I and I find this horribly paranoid and just plain inaccurate and racist.  It is this contradictory and hypocritical mindset that, by my reasoning, has no place in true RasTafarI, for RasTafarI is RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Ankh udja sneb.
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Re: Ras Ravin I speaks on Internet Rastas
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2005, 09:56:41 PM »

         love and fire! for me, that article is pure truth!  [smiley=smiley.gif]

             EmpressGong thank you, i feel uplifted by that article. i have a place in my heart that burns for Rasta.


                                 blessings all/ways



                           
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Re: Ras Ravin I speaks on Internet Rastas
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2005, 10:18:21 PM »

Thank you for posting that article, EmpressGong. It was enlightening and reaffirming.
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Re: Ras Ravin I speaks on Internet Rastas
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2005, 11:48:38 PM »

Thats some truth right there...

Jah_Bless: Are you saying this man isn't true Rasta...?
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Re: Ras Ravin I speaks on Internet Rastas
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2005, 12:25:01 AM »

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Thats some truth right there...

Jah_Bless: Are you saying this man isn't true Rasta...?


Bless up,

Bredren Speed, I and I pass no judgement on Ras Ravin I, I was commenting on his words.

Most of his message was beautiful, but some was not indicative of the love I associate with RasTafarI.

Of course, I doubt there exists any individual whose ideas and reasonings are completely in agreement with any faith, so again, I was not commenting on Ras's "Rastaness" rather I was disagreeing with his fallacies and inaccuracies.

Selassie I bless up.
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Re: Ras Ravin I speaks on Internet Rastas
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2005, 12:39:04 AM »

I think there is something important embedded in those words you focused on...

But I overstand your view...
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Re: Ras Ravin I speaks on Internet Rastas
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2005, 12:47:58 AM »

Blessed Love
I am glad most of you have Sighted the message.

Jah_Bless, Non-Rastaman, I will tell u this:

this statement you made:

"I really don't see how the Afrocentric views of RasTafarI serve a greater purpose than recognizing one's heritage, which in itself is a noble aim, but I fear that some may be emphasize the more militant and separationalist side of this Afrocentricity."

Once again, you want to subject your Non and Anti Rasta views of what IS. Rasta is what it is whether or not you like it. Do not confuse others here who are trying to understand Rastafari. You have this view of Rasta that downplays the importance that is militancy and working towards bringing back the African Identity to the Black man and whoever else that wants to follow, and this statement u made shows that clearly that u really do not understand it !

I say anti rasta becuz everything that defines the Rasta identity u talk about oh its not love and oh its not oneness. what is love and oneness in Rastafari? its not what u think it is i can tell u that...the words I and I should explain what it is to u!

U sight up Selassie and wanna say Rasta dis n dat, but u r not seeing at all! Ravin I's fallacies and inaccuracies are Rasta views!

I really trying to understand where you coming from, and I respect ur views becuz they are not wrong and stupid, but u use them to dictate what shud n shudnt be Rasta and its not something I can tolerate.

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Re: Ras Ravin I speaks on Internet Rastas
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2005, 02:15:11 AM »

Ii wy em hotep!

Bless up Sistren Empress,

I did not intend to bring in confusion to this discussion, but now I overstand what the discrepancy boils down to.

I never meant to dictate what is and is not RasTafarI, rather I, out of great raspect, challenge and question this beautiful faith.

I shall provisionally accept the general opinion here that a very strong Afrocentric view is part of RasTafarI.  

With this being true, how does the Afrocentric view coexist with principles of Inity, raspect, and universal love?  Empress, you said something very interesting: "what is love and oneness in Rastafari? its not what u think it is i can tell u that"  Please, do tell me so I can perhaps reconcile this apparent contradiction in RasTafarI.

As with any religion I learn of, there are teachings I agree with and other teachings with which I disagree.  Pertaining to RasTafarI, I choose to disregard the strict Afrocentric view.  Insofar as it goes beyond an appreciation of our African heritage, I find it paranoid, racist, divisive, and fruitless.  For the sake of others here, I and I want to clarify that I do not say this out of anti-Rasta sentiment, but I do so out of raspectful criticism and hope to seek mutual enlightenment.

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Re: Ras Ravin I speaks on Internet Rastas
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2005, 02:52:09 AM »

Blessed Love
Jah_Bless

I completely understand what u are saying. You said its paranoid, racist, divisive and fruitless..but Afrocentricity means so much to Black rastas like me becuz noone lets me/us forget the colour of my/our skin.

In Canada the country u live in, I been called nigger 3 times within a year of being here. it is when you are confronted with things like this that are TRULY racist that enforces the need for u to dig deeper and go back to your ROOTS. you need to know where you are from, who you come from and what this means to guide you.

Rastafari know this, so Yes Africentricity causes conflict in Rasta but I believe it is because people do not embrace or understand what it is. Rastafari is about creating an African identity to the displaced black man who is a victim of oppression and segregation. these things started rastafari and these things still exist today though in different, hidden and suttle forms.

Oneness and Love in Rastafari comes from this. It comes from Afrocentricity. It is about Love of the  Black Self, through realising the Black Messiah adn his divine example of oneness with self  and with the Creator Jah. It is about Black people coming together in this as One. One in self, one with one another and one with Jah, 3 in 1. this is one aspect of it.

please understand this then spreads to different races and cultures uniting as one for peace as how it should be. I will just post pieces of an essay I did on Rastafari and its identity:

"It was long overdue for the Black Man to see God and Christ as Black, causing Rastafari to reason that if God manifested himself 2000 years ago as Man in Christ, why should he not manifest Himself again as a Black King from the oldest Christian Kingdom on earth, the anthropologically-established cradle of civilization, and the seat of the throne of Solomon – the builder of His Temple" [taken from a book rastafari the new creation]

"First as introduced before, Emperor Selassie I of Ethiopia is the Black living God of our time. ‘Living’ refers to the fact that His Majesty came in the time of the first Rastas (20th century) to bring the teachings of salvation for the oppressed Black race. Moreover, “underlying the belief in the Emperor’s divinity is the conclusion that Black people were destined to return to their native Africa, after centuries of injustice at the hands of the Whites” (Chevannes 1998: 26). Rastas have likened themselves in reality to the ancient Israelites who were rescued out of captivity by Moses through God’s intervention. “The Babylon of old is none other than the White colonial and neo-colonial world” (Chevannes 1998: 27). The promised land becomes Ethiopia referred to as Zion, and His Majesty is seen as the deliverer (of a higher position than Garvey) showing Rastas and Blacks the way back home through the teachings of the Scriptures."

"Secondly is the conclusion within the movement/faith that God is Black, as shown through the racial attributes of Haile Selassie, and ancient Ethiopia as the birthplace of mankind. This “gives to Black people a sense of being one with, of sharing in an attribute of God. Black man is therefore elevated in status” (Chevannes 1998: 28). Following this it becomes clearer the rejection of European hegemonic value systems where “if you are White, that’s right; if you are Black, you stay back” (Chevannes 1998: 28). There is no longer the need for a chasm between God and man to exist “because there is a profound way in which God shares a part of his being with those who were once poor…Black Man, is also divine” (Chevannes 1998: 28)."


I hope you get the idea of what I am saying, I and I is what I told u should explain love and oneness

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Re: Ras Ravin I speaks on Internet Rastas
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2005, 03:03:17 AM »

Just another note,
I am trying to explain the Root of Oneness and Love within Rastafari from the 1930s, so as to to explain the importance of Afrocentric beliefs and actions in Rastafari, which allow the movement to spread to other things.

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Re: Ras Ravin I speaks on Internet Rastas
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2005, 05:44:25 PM »

jah-bless,,,

what specifically is it about black self determination and the desire to control the resources in our communities that you find divisive, racist, etc...?
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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2005, 03:40:31 AM »

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jah-bless,,,

what specifically is it about black self determination and the desire to control the resources in our communities that you find divisive, racist, etc...?


Bless up,

What I find racist about that is the demonization of whites.  It is the "us" vs. "them" mentality that I dislike.

EmpressGong, thank you very much for your explanation.  Although I still have some issues with accepting this particular aspect of RasTafarI, I do have a much better overstanding now thanks to you.  You helped the I see things in a more historical context and although that may not justify some attitudes, it does well to explain them.  Big ups.

Selassie I bless.
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« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2005, 08:04:48 AM »

keep  the  fire  burning  jah  bless, love  the  i  reasoning. one  love  rastafari.
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