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Re: Stanley "Tookie" Williams
« Reply #75 on: December 24, 2005, 04:27:05 AM »

The diversity of the crowd showed how much Stan means to people--and how his case has come to represent everything that is wrong with the death penalty. As seventh-grader Zachary Williams from Richmond, Calif., put it, "Stan stands up for me."

Nation of Islam Western Regional Minister Tony Muhammad pointed out that "Stan isn't the only one who needs clemency. America needs clemency, George Bush needs clemency. If God can forgive America for her negative beginnings, for her crimes against Black people, then America can forgive Stanley Tookie Williams for his negative beginnings."

The high point of the event came in the form of a written statement of support from Linda Owens, the wife of one of the 1979 victims Stan was accused of killing. "I, Linda Owens, want to build upon Mr. Williams' peace initiative," her statement read. "I invite Mr. Williams to join me in sending a message to all communities that we should all unite in peace. This position of peace would honor my husband's memory and Mr. Williams' work."

The movement to save Stan stretched far and wide. In Watsonville, Calif., south of the Bay Area, 40 high school students walked out of classes a few days before the execution date to hold a protest calling for clemency.

The students had planned a speakout on campus during a morning break in classes, but when administrators called one of the leaders of the protest to the office to delay its start, the students left campus and marched through Watsonville's downtown, chanting "No more blood"--with school officials trailing them.

"I'll probably get suspended for this," 17-year-old senior Zeltzin Sanchez told a local newspaper. "But it's worth it, of course. Every life is worth it." "I lost two cousins to gang violence, but that doesn't mean I'm going to kill," she said. "We shouldn't kill. No more blood for blood."

Everywhere, activists recognized that the struggle to save Stan has created new alliances and strengthened the fight against the racist execution machine in the U.S. "Even if this goes badly, I think it's the beginning of a movement against the death penalty," a Sacramento grandmother, Sherri Johnson, said as the "People's Clemency Hearing" took place behind her.

Later, as the execution loomed, Bonnie Williams, Stan's ex-wife and the main spokesperson for his family, said she wanted to thank "everyone who has been supporting us from the bottom of my heart." "Tell everyone that I'm getting on board with the movement," she said. "I don't want this to happen to anyone else. I will not stop now--this is only the beginning. We're going to speak out against this death penalty, and everything else the system does."

Alan Maass is the editor of Socialist Worker. He can be reached at: alanmaass@sbcglobal.net

Petrino DiLeo, Phil Gasper, Sarah Knopp, David McCarthy, Jessie Muldoon, Elizabeth Schulte, Karl Swinehart and David Thurston contributed to this article.















































































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Re: Stanley "Tookie" Williams
« Reply #76 on: December 28, 2005, 05:02:12 PM »

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whether the law of california is righteous or a joke doesnt matter, the bottomline is the people of california enacted that law into the books. hence the state of california is absolutely within its right to carry out the law, the man was convicted and sentence to death. the state was within its right to put him to death.


The people made the law? Do you have any knowledge of the creation of the laws of the United States? Do you truly believe the US is a democracy? I suggest you do some research on this as the US is not a democracy and the people really don't have a say.

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if the marijuana laws are outrageous the people have the power to change it, as long as it is on the books it is the law, if you dont like the laws dont sit around and complain, do something about it.


Again, do your research. People did try to change the laws. In fact, they recently legalized cannabis for medical use. Did that stop the US Federal Government from stepping in and throwing innocent sick people in prison? No. The majority of the population in California is pro medicinal marijuana. This did not stop the Supreme Court from ruling that federal law overrides state law, even though the majority in that state do not agree with the federal law. This is a perfect example of how the US is a dictatorship and is nothing close to a democracy.

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Re: Stanley "Tookie" Williams
« Reply #77 on: December 28, 2005, 07:04:08 PM »

I am not interested in senseless reasonin, the law of the land is carried out through the states and the federal government, if you cant change it through state legislation there is always the option of the federal legislator, whether the usa is a democracy or not doesnt matter to me, the bottomline is that, whatever government or system currently existing in the usa is agreed to by the majority of the people.

whether i like the us government or not is not important, when the people dont like whats happening they can change it....

the law is the law, if the people agree or accept a wicked system that is what they will get in return, if they accept a free and fair system that is what they will get,

like the saying goes you reap what you sow.

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Re: Stanley "Tookie" Williams
« Reply #78 on: December 28, 2005, 08:09:27 PM »

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whether the usa is a democracy or not doesnt matter to me, the bottomline is that, whatever government or system currently existing in the usa is agreed to by the majority of the people.


No it isn't. This is why I said you should do your research, learn how the US was formed and you will learn that it is not a democracy and the majority are not represented.

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whether i like the us government or not is not important, when the people dont like whats happening they can change it....


I just proved that this is not true in my post above this one.

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Re: Stanley "Tookie" Williams
« Reply #79 on: December 28, 2005, 09:45:02 PM »

where exactly is the proof? you claiming that the usa is a dictatorship is quite laughable........

is the government perfect absolutely not, but my point is it is not up to you or anyone else, if the people of the usa are willing and accept whatever government they have that is there choice you have no standing or say whether their government is good or not... if the people of the usa dont like there government they can change it.

ps... it's petty and childish that you keep changing my karma, do i really care if my karma is -1000 ummmmmmm not.

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Re: Stanley "Tookie" Williams
« Reply #80 on: December 29, 2005, 07:41:15 PM »

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where exactly is the proof? you claiming that the usa is a dictatorship is quite laughable........


Here's the proof: People did try to change the laws. In fact, they recently legalized cannabis for medical use. Did that stop the US Federal Government from stepping in and throwing innocent sick people in prison? No. The majority of the population in California is pro medicinal marijuana. This did not stop the Supreme Court from ruling that federal law overrides state law, even though the majority in that state do not agree with the federal law. This is a perfect example of how the US is a dictatorship and is nothing close to a democracy. So in fact, it isn't laughable, it's actually true. You obviously have either never lived in the US or simply have limited knowledge about the country.

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is the government perfect absolutely not, but my point is it is not up to you or anyone else, if the people of the usa are willing and accept whatever government they have that is there choice you have no standing or say whether their government is good or not...


Hold on, so I can't comment on US law or government but you can? Isn't that a little hypocritical?

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Re: Stanley "Tookie" Williams
« Reply #81 on: December 29, 2005, 10:50:57 PM »

My point is that isnt up to you, me or anyone, it is up to the people of the usa to decide, you and anyone else can decide its not a good law or government all you want, but that's not important, what is important is for the people of the country to choose there kind of government and laws.

the marijuana laws, that is your proof ? so that shows that the american government is a dictatorship? be real.... i suggest you lookup the meaning of dictatorship.

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Re: Stanley "Tookie" Williams
« Reply #82 on: December 29, 2005, 11:31:06 PM »

Stan Tookie Williams memorial service


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ps---- at the memorial one of the persons who was at the execution mentioned that as they left the death chamber they sang a Bob Marley song as this person and Tookie had talked about BM also.
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Re: Stanley "Tookie" Williams
« Reply #83 on: December 30, 2005, 01:52:55 AM »

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the marijuana laws, that is your proof ? so that shows that the american government is a dictatorship? be real.... i suggest you lookup the meaning of dictatorship.


No, the marijuana laws were not my proof. You completely missed the point of my post. I do know the meaning of a dictatorship. The US is a dictatorship.

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Re: Stanley "Tookie" Williams
« Reply #84 on: December 30, 2005, 03:07:27 AM »

   Dictatorship (dictionary.com)


1. The office or tenure of a dictator.
  2. A state or government under dictatorial rule.
  3. Absolute or despotic control or power.

While one can safely say that the united states is no democracy it would be incorrect to say that it is a dictatorship since the president does not wield absolute power. Like most dictators he can get away with practically anything, but he can also be forced to resign (the watergate thingy). The united states is a sort of semi-dictatorship.

One thing that will be interesting to see is the first woman president OR the first black president OR the first black woman president. That'll take a looooong time.
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Re: Stanley "Tookie" Williams
« Reply #85 on: December 30, 2005, 10:05:41 PM »

Greetings and peace.

The president isn't the dictator, the government itself is.

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Re: Stanley "Tookie" Williams
« Reply #86 on: April 12, 2007, 02:46:54 AM »

respect!

for InI We are di government,
dictator is those who lead the dictatorship...

protection and guidance!
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