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Re: Grand Keys of Rastafari by Baba
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2007, 04:08:15 PM »

Irie I sistren NYA!

Give tanks...  :D ;D

It is always good to follow the I's inner pull towards the acts which brings Excitements ! For thats where the spirit have secrets to share with joy and delightfulness within I in I.

New Age or anything that goes, I as a man never discriminate; the wisdoms of the Ages is where I an I coming from. The emerging new enthusiasm to learn and live profound and exciting Life patterns is what I an I openning up for; And give thanks for all sources that helps I in I see thru.

There is a video online by Drunvalo Melchizedek on Higher self... I hope the I will love it too as it touches a certain curious aspect of new age towards healing of the self thru meeting with the 'Inner Child' within. There is link of it in the thread 'Stars in the Grass...' in Other Chat section. The I can check pon it. And there is another one by Osho of which he speaks how going deep into the roots  is necessary in order to climb the ladder of Higher States of consciousness. This is actually talking of ROOTS and CULTURE in the other context. How to live up INNOCENCE of being, and how the collective unconsciousness (which connects with mother earth and all its inherent evolution memories), and mother Earth hold the key for One to connect to the SUN, the father cosmic consciousness. Living close to nature helps I in I to ground for the Higher... And there are many secrets that as one comes close to nature begins to know them. From being in empathy with animals, the vegetable kingdoms and everything which shares the collective unconsciousness with the I. This helps very much Idren to overstand the importance of Ital and Livity. And how to live in harmony with nature.

There are many other sources of wisdom of the ages including the Originality of Wicca, Paganism, Shamanism, Druid Priesthood etc (which are all; offsprings of secrets of mother nature). I in I hope, JAH willing, sometimes there can be a space to include them to into I an I sight.

Bless Up !
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Re: Grand Keys of Rastafari by Baba
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2007, 10:20:02 PM »

I just want to make something clear to the I's, cuz I dont think I did, but I did not write this.
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Re: Grand Keys of Rastafari by Baba
« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2007, 05:09:22 AM »

I  am aware that the I did not write it, but the I brought it here to share, and for that, I thank you.

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Re: Grand Keys of Rastafari by Baba
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2007, 04:29:51 PM »

it don't mater if the I didn't write it. it is the fact that the I shared it with use that brings me peace.
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Re: Grand Keys of Rastafari by Baba
« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2007, 08:35:44 PM »

Greetings !

This is Take III for the love of bedrin RasNicro...

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PLEASE EXPLAIN WHETHER THE ANAHAT NADA -- SOUNDLESS SOUND -- IS A TYPE OF SOUND OR WHETHER IT IS TOTAL SOUNDLESSNESS. AND ALSO EXPLAIN HOW THE STATE OF TOTAL SOUNDFULNESS CAN BE EQUAL TO TOTAL SOUNDLESSNESS.

ANAHAT NADA is not a type of sound, it is soundlessness, but this soundlessness is heard. To express it is difficult because then the logical question arises of how soundlessness can be heard.

Let me explain it.... I am sitting on this chair. If I go away from this chair, will you not see my absence in the chair? It cannot be seen by one who has not seen me sitting here, he will simply see the chair. But a moment before I was here and you have seen me sitting here. If I move away and you look at the chair, you will see two things: the chair and my absence. But that absence will be seen only if you have seen me and you have not forgotten me, that I was there.

We are hearing sounds; we only know sounds. So when that soundlessness comes, anahat nada, we feel that every sound has disappeared and absence is felt. That is why it is called anahat nada. It is also called nada; 'nada' means sound. But ANAHAT changes the quality of the sound. 'Anahat' means uncreated, so it is uncreated sound.

Every sound is a created sound. Whatsoever sounds you have heard, they are all created. That which is created will die. I can clap my hands -- a sound is created. It was not there before and now it is no more; it was created and it has died. A created sound is known as AHAT NADA. Uncreated sound is known as ANAHAT NADA - the sound that is always. Which is that sound that is always? It is not really a sound. You call it a sound because the absence is heard.

If you live by a railway station and one day the railway union goes on strike, you will hear something no one can hear. You will hear the absence of the trains coming and going and moving.

I was traveling in the past for at least three weeks every month. In the beginning it was very difficult to sleep in the train, and then it became difficult to sleep at home. When I was no longer sleeping only in trains, the sound of the train was missed. Whenever I would reach home it would be difficult, because I would miss and I would feel the absence of the railway sounds.
We are accustomed to sounds.

Every moment is filled with sound. Our heads are constantly filled by sounds and sounds and sounds. When your mind goes away, moves up or down, goes beyond or below, when you are not in the world of sounds, you can hear the absence. That absence is soundlessness.

But we have call it anahat nada. Because it is heard we call it nada -- sound; and because it is not really a sound we call it anahat -- uncreated. "Uncreated sound" is contradictory. Sound is created -- "uncreated" contradicts. So all deep experiences of life have to be expressed in contradictory terms.
If you go and ask a master like Eckhart or Jacob Boehme, or Zen masters like Hui Hai or Huang Po or Bodhidharma or Nagarjuna, or Vedanta and the Upanishads, everywhere you will find two contradictory terms whenever a deeper experience is talked about. The Vedas say, "he is and He is not" -- about God.
You cannot find a more atheistic expression: "He is and he is not." he is far away and He is near. He is far away and he is also near. Why contradictory statements? The Upanishads say, "You cannot see him, but unless you see him you have not seen anything." What type of language is this?
Lao Tsu says that "Truth cannot be said" -- and he is saying it! This too is a saying. He says that "Truth cannot be said, if it is said it cannot be true," and then he writes a book and says something about the truth.

It is contradictory.
One student came to a great old sage. The student said, "If you can forgive me master, I want to relate to you something about myself. I have become an atheist; now I do not believe in God."
So the old sage asked, "For how many days have you been studying scriptures? For how many days?" So the man, the seeker, the student said, "Nearabout twenty years I have been studying the Vedas - the scriptures." So the old man sighed and said, "Just twenty years and you have the nerve to say that you have become an atheist?"

The student was puzzled. What was this old man saying? So he said, "I am puzzled. What are you saying? You make me more confused than when I came here." The old man said, "Go on studying the Vedas. In the beginning one says God is. Only in the end does one say God is not. To become an atheist you will have to travel much into theism. God is at the beginning; God is not at the end. Do not be in a hurry." The student was even more puzzled.

"God is and God is not" has been uttered by those who know. "God is" is uttered by those who do not know and "God is not" is also uttered by those who do not know. Those who know, they utter both simultaneously: God is and God is not.
"Anahat nada" is a contradictory term, but used with much consideration -- with deep consideration. It is meaningful. It says that the phenomenon is felt as a sound and it is not a sound.

It is felt as a sound because you have only felt sounds, you do not know any other language. You know only the language of sounds; that is why it is felt as sound. But it is silence, not sound.
And the question further says: EXPLAIN IN WHICH WAY THE STATE OF SOUNDFULNESS CAN BE EQUAL TO TOTAL SOUNDLESSNESS. It is always so. The zero and the absolute both mean the same!
For example, if I have a jar which is completely empty and I have another jar which is completely filled, both are complete. One is completely empty, another is completely filled. But both are complete, both are perfect. If the jar is half-filled, it is half-filled and half-empty. You can call it half-empty, you can call it half-filled. But whether it is completely empty or completely filled, one thing is common to both: completeness!

Soundlessness is complete. You cannot do anything more to make it more soundless. Understand this: it is complete, nothing can be done. You have come to a point beyond which there is no movement possible. And if a sound is total you cannot add anything to it. You have come to another limit; you cannot go beyond it. This is common and this is what is meant.

One can say it is soundlessness because no sound is heard, everything has become absent. You cannot take anything further from it; it is complete. Or you can say it is a complete sound, a full sound, absolute sound; nothing can be added to it.

But in both the cases the indication is for perfection, absoluteness, wholeness.
It depends on the mind. There are two types of minds and two types of expressions. For example, if you ask Buddha, "What will happen in deep meditation? When one achieves SAMADHI what will happen?" he will say, "There will be no DUKKHA -- there will be no pain." He will never say there will be bliss, he will simply say there will be no pain -- just painlessness. If you ask Shankara, he will never talk about pain. He will simply say, "There will be bliss -- absolute bliss."

And both are expressing the same experience. Buddha saying "no pain" refers to the world. He says, "All the pains I have known are not there. And whatsoever is there, I cannot relate it in your language."
Shankara says, "There is bliss, absolute bliss." He never talks about the world and its pain. He is not referring to your world; he is referring to the experience itself. He is positive; Buddha is negative. But their indications are toward the same moon.

Their fingers are different, but what their fingers indicate is the same.

THE END.


            O S H O
            Commentaries on Vigyan Bhairav Tantra Vol I
            Chapter 32: The Path Of Surrender
            29th January 1973, Woodsland Bombay.

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Everything that mankind does on the earthly is a reaction!

If I sit and watch the empty sky; am I reacting? and if there is anything to substiantiate what the I implies by the word ''REACTION'' then may save the above statement to be valid. Otherwise it is plainly not valid. And what is that 'earthly'?

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As long as one is in the earthly there are limitations. Knowing oneself-seeing beyond color etc. is not ignoring ones physical make up. Self defense is not a choices it is a duty. Freedom is not antonymous to limitation. One could be behind bars or be handicapped and still be free. Hence your statement "Freedom is transcendence of limitation is a self opinion on something" only proves ones own conceptual limitation.
 

As long as one is in the earthly there are limitations.

Then a single limitation for example is something OBSERVABLE... If that is the case, then what is the faculty of observing and what is the faculty of INTERPRETATION?

If it is mind, then overstand... mind is something which cast the boundaries. Is there anything beyond mind? Then that is the solution for limitations.

Can mind exist when the higher consciousness is lived? YES, but it remains to be a utility within a limited capability... Then Higher Consciousness is beyond duality and reveals the Truth. Mind is not everything...

Knowing oneself-seeing beyond color etc. is not ignoring ones physical make up

Sure :)

Self defense is not a choices it is a duty.

Self defense against what really !? If u cast the shadow, do the I need to fight against it? Duty !? Such an uggly word... If I n I psyche is cleared of all subconscious dedris then aint no muddy to taint the pure light of Self Awareness. What follows is ransponding do whattever the situations required, and not reacting... Remember, man of muddiness, subconsciously uncleared psyche; reacts... Yet, man of Overstanding simply Ransponds... And Livity implies doing the right thing at the right time. Thats nuff Love.

Freedom is not antonymous to limitation. One could be behind bars or be handicapped and still be free.
 Freedom is not antonymous to limitation... Then sure it is all within the EYES of the subjected beholder.
It is a subjective phenomena, therefore this is no philosophical juggling... It has a religiousness dimension.

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Hence your statement "Freedom is transcendence of limitation is a self opinion on something" only proves ones own conceptual limitation.
 

Yes and No !

As long as it is the applicable fact, then thats always turns the same. so true...

No as if that is taken as an opinion...

However, it depends from A mental perspective by which one enters the above statement.


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Re: Grand Keys of Rastafari by Baba
« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2007, 12:58:18 AM »

Bless Up...

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The I like the word Rasponse( or as you put it Ransponse) Ones Duty/duties are ones Rasponsibilities!

I in I apology for mispelling... Rasponse is the word indeed.

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That is really just semantics. For Rasponse and Reaction are synonymous


There is a distinction; But no worry... If the I is not yet perceiving a certain deep reality, the I better wait... If that is true, then just consider; there is difference between the two, and if the I is real really after gettings things right, then Trust Jah; the I will see it thru at the right time, doing the right thing.

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It is the mind that made you aware of  a "Higher Consciousness"! Yet Did the Higher Consciousness make you aware that it is devoid of Mind?


It is a subjective reality that has got nothing to do with ur ( as a person ) intellectual questioning.

''Higher Consciousness'' is the term. A kind of I-didation that Iman live up is totally being an observer. This way, YES, I in I had corroded much of prejudices and fallacies that goes on during awake Mind.
All that I as a man have dispelled out of I psyche had turned to become an Overstanding of which I as a man had undergone transformation. This as well, is an ongoing process by which I man keep on evolving.

Dont take the term so literally, unless the I is after something...

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Self defense is Self preservation, protection of self. When you said AGAINST the I implies Antagonism. One who defends themselves are not necessarily Rasponding out of aggression. 


is defense=preservation really? Aint it that there is some common similarities yet separate implications?

Protecting a self?

Lo ! Man, with a mind u can self reimpose a certain character then go on feeding it some reality... That is a self identity, but a separate reality from the WHOLE... Yes, this way u can even go on defending it ! Just to maintain its place, within the scheme of life. But this is creating ur own reality... Whattever u create the I will be responsible of it. This is why once u think u r somebody x, then all hankering for all else to perceive the I as x... even if the I is not really... Then x is nothing but ur own dellusion; and life allows all sorts of game. I as a man aint doin that, period !

In fact the is no need for any aggression against anybody if the I choose to ride with the river of inner nature...Anger may remain a resdue biological trait that the may need for survival tactics and not being antagonistic upon that in which the others perceive of dem selves. It really doesnt matter at all. People may love to live in dreams rather than getting real. But Jah knows, in the abundance of water, the fool is thirst... Every I got right to decide. But there is no escaping the consequence of what u bring to life, one way or the other.

Okay bedrin, the rest of inquiries, the I can find the answers somewhere...

JAH Bless



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Re: Grand Keys of Rastafari by Baba
« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2007, 08:11:56 AM »

Bredren Fyah
So lovely to see the I reasoning pon the board again! Praises unto the Most I for Jah Blessed Presence!
Here.....I and I perspectives pon de reasoning at hand.....

Reaction....can be seen in a negative light, as an unconscious "conditioned" rasponse, where one is unaware that one has a number of choices in how one responds...and then not, as reactions are a natural ting and can simply be observed, without judgement, simply feeling what arises and assessing if desired outcome or fullfillment comes about.....without expectations or attachment, simply awareness

Freedom ~ externally we can assert our right to live free, a Jah Given Right, freedom to raspond with love, freedom to accept with serenity or resist, freedom to be who we really or, or simply to seek overstanding of our true nature, freedom to cherish the small self and all other small selves, while knowing we are part of something far Greater, freedom to allow detachment to outcomes and to Trust in Jahs Eternal Plan, freedom to see patterns as something that serves we until we are ready to step into the unknown....
Freedom to use all experiences to fuel our growth and development of true wisdom....
Freedom to see that Jah allows we complete freedom, ironically, once we realize this, we are free to give the power to the most High and free ourselves from the burden of egoic responsibility and embrace the Jahful Rasponsibility of I and I....
Freedom to no longer struggle against but to flow with...in eva deepening Love and Oneness and yet individuality of Knowing Deep and complete Self.....
Freedom to put Jah first and thereby surrender to what Is, empowered by the Most High to do Right, effortlessly and with Joy and serenity and knowing the not perfect is still Jahs perfection of movement and room to grow and spiral Upward with the Universe.....
Blessings and Irational Love for All
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Re: Grand Keys of Rastafari by Baba
« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2007, 08:45:35 PM »

I don't get the point of this "diss"-cussion between Fiyah and Moses. Now I am not the smartest person, so it may be beyond InI comprehension.

The one thing I did overstand is that the I Moses claims that to respond and to react is two different things. I disagree.

For one to respond to something, there must be some initial, speech, and/or action, which one is responding TO. This is a reaction to the initial speech, and/or action, therefore I agree that "reaction and rasponse are synanymous.

This is logical thinking, and one might argue that "higher consciousness" does not raspect any laws of logic, but there is logic to everything in the known universe. Somethings we may not overstand, but still there is some type of logic to it.

P.S. I am just stating my opinion, so please don't crucify InI.


Blessings!!!

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Re: Grand Keys of Rastafari by Baba
« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2007, 08:00:26 AM »

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It is with the Utmost Love I and I say that we must look to the truth that reveals itself to we each at these different points on our trod.  Without holding another in Judgment, for this is not our Job.  Our Job is to learn from each other and take it outside to make a difference.  Each of we have a difference we can make, but first we must come to some sort of peace within our self as to who we are
Brudda surfmon says it so well........
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Re: Grand Keys of Rastafari by Baba
« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2007, 09:48:49 AM »

Blessed & Divine Love,


Seen Sistren!


This was a PM sent to I by Moses! I am posting it here because of this comment: I may post this in the thread as well.


Yes I man,

this is to let u know that all that i see in u is playing game and mental cunningness.

I as a man is rather not interested i filling pages with nonsensical rampanting... Therefore u better get more sensible.

It is obvious the dont do meditation; or the I may think of u are doing meditation but I as a man tell that it is highly likes the kinds of meditation that u r doing aint taking u anywhere better. Take it as an offense or not, I SEE IT ! Now dont try to play clever here saying u can see something also blah blah blah... Just keep the right focus that helps to take divisions outa this.

I respect what u have been doing in this forums for so long; but this i see is subtle play that the i as a person is trying... Now i wont waste no much effort/time on this, if the i looks whimsical.

So I again say, WATCH ur underlying motives before u interact!!!

I may post this in the thread as well.

Bless Up



I and I do not feel that any of I Rasponses to your post Idren, garnered such a Reaction!


Guidance!


Rastafari
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Good bedrin Fiyah...

So this enable Iman to reasonably bring this INSIGHT for the love of YOU: Take I

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OH LOTUS-EYED ONE, SWEET OF TOUCH, WHEN SINGING, SEEING, TASTING, BE AWARE YOU ARE AND DISCOVER THE EVER-LIVING.
WHEREVER SATISFACTION IS FOUND, IN WHATEVER ACT, ACTUALIZE THIS.
AT THE POINT OF SLEEP, WHEN THE SLEEP HAS NOT YET COME AND THE EXTERNAL WAKEFULNESS VANISHES, AT THIS POINT BEING IS REVEALED.
ILLUSIONS DECEIVE, COLORS CIRCUMSCRIBE, EVEN DIVISIBLES ARE INDIVISIBLE.

Civilization is a training in how to become unreal. Tantra is the reverse process -- how to prevent yourself from becoming unreal, and if you have already become unreal, how to touch the reality which is hidden within you, how to contact it again, how to be again real. The first thing to be understood is how we go on becoming unreal, and once this process is understood many things change immediately. The very understanding becomes mutation.

Man is born undivided. He is neither a body nor a mind. He is born undivided, as one individual. He is both body and mind. Even to say that he is both is wrong. He is body-mind. Body and mind are two aspects of his being, not two divisions -- two polarities of something which we may call life, energy or anything -- X,Y,Z -- but body and mind are not two things.

The very process of civilization, education, culture, conditioning, starts with the division. Everyone is taught that he is two, not one, and then, of course, one begins to be identified with the mind and not with the body.

The very thinking process becomes your center and the thinking process is just a periphery. It is not the center because you can exist without thinking. Once you existed without thinking: thinking is not a necessity to exist. If you go deep in meditation YOU will be, and there will be no thinking. If you become unconscious YOU will be, but there will be no thinking. Moving into deep sleep YOU will be, but there will be no thinking. Thinking is just on the periphery; your being is somewhere else -- deeper than thinking. But you are being taught continuously that you are two, body and mind, and that, really, you are the mind and you possess the body. The mind becomes the master and body becomes the slave, and you go on struggling against the body. This creates a rift, a gap, and that gap is the problem. All neurosis is born out of that gap; all anxiety is born out of that gap.

Your being is rooted in your body, and your body is not just something separate from existence. It is part of it. Your body is the whole universe. It is not something limited, finite. You may not have observed it, but try to observe where your body really ends -- where! Do you think that your body ends where your skin ends?
If the sun which is so far away just goes dead, instantly you will be dead here. If the sun rays stop coming, you will be no more here. Your body cannot exist without the sun being there so far away.

The sun and you are somehow deeply related. The sun must be included in your body; otherwise you cannot exist. You are part of its rays.

In the morning you see flowers open: their opening is really the rising of the sun. In the night they will close: their closing is the setting of the sun. They are just rays that are spread out. You exist here because there, so far away, the sun exists. Your skin is not really your skin. Your skin goes on spreading; even the sun is included. You are breathing: you can breathe because the air is there, the atmosphere is there. Each moment you exhale and inhale the atmosphere in and out.

If for a single moment there were no air, you would be dead. Your breath is your life. If your breath is your life, then the whole atmosphere is part of you. You cannot exist without it. So where does your body really end? Where is the limit? There is no limit! If you observe, if you go deep, you will find there is no limit. Or, the limit of the universe is your body limit. The whole universe is involved in you, so your body is not just your body; it is your universe and you are grounded in it. Your mind too cannot exist without the body. It is part of it, a process of it.
Division is destructive, and with the division you are bound to become identified with the mind. You think, and without thinking there is no division. You think, and you become identified with your thinking.

Then you feel as if you possess the body. This is a complete reversal of the truth. You do not possess the body; neither is the body possessing you. They are not two things. Your existence is one, a deep harmony of opposite poles. But opposite poles are not divided, they are joined together. Only then can they become opposite poles. And the opposition is good. It gives challenge, it gives stamina, it creates energy. It is dialectical.

If you were really one, without opposite poles within, you would be dull and dead. These two opposite poles, body and mind, give you life. They are opposite and at the same time complementary -- and basically and ultimately one. One current of energy runs in both. But once we get identified with the thinking process, we think that we are centered in the head. If your legs are cut, you will not feel that YOU are cut. You will say, "My legs are cut." But if your head is cut, YOU are cut. You are murdered.

If you close your eyes to feel where you are, immediately you will feel you are in your head. You are not there -- because when for the first moment you entered life in your mother's womb, when the male and female atoms met, there was no head. But life was started. You were there, and there was no head. In that first meeting of two alive cells, you were created. The head came later on, but your being was there. Where is that being? It is not in your head.

Really, it is nowhere -- or everywhere in your body. It is nowhere; you cannot pinpoint where it is. And the moment you pinpoint it you miss the whole thing. It is everywhere. Your life is everywhere, it is spread out all over you. And not only all over you; if you follow it, you will have to go to the very ends of the universe. It is everywhere!
With the identification that "I am my mind," everything becomes false. You become unreal because this identity is false. This has to be broken. Tantra techniques are to break down this identity. The effort of tantra is to make you headless, uncentered, everywhere or nowhere. And why does humanity, why do human beings become false and unreal with the mind? Because mind is an epiphenomenon -- a process which is necessary, useful, but secondary; a process which consists of words, not of realities. The word `love' is not love, the word `god' is not God. But mind consists of words, of a verbal process, and then love itself becomes less significant than the word `love'. For the mind, the word is more significant. God becomes less significant than the word `God'. For the mind it is so. Words become more meaningful, significant. They become primary, and we start living in words. And the more you live in words the more shallow you become, and you will go on missing the reality which is not words. Reality is existence.
Living in the mind is as if someone is living in a mirror.

In the night, if you go to a lake and the lake is silent and there are no ripples, the lake becomes a mirror. You can look at the moon in the lake, but that moon is false -- just a reflection. The reflection comes from the real, but the reflection is not real. Mind is just a reflecting phenomenon. The reality is reflected in it, but reflections are not real. And if you get caught in reflections, you will miss reality completely. That is why, with the mind, with mind reflections, everything wavers. A slight wave, a slight wind, will disturb your mind. Reality is not disturbed, but the mind is disturbed by anything. Mind is a reflecting phenomenon, and we are living in mind.

Tantra says come down. Descend from your thrones, come down from your heads. Forget the reflections and move towards the reality. All the techniques which we are discussing are concerned with this: how to be away from the mind so that you can move into reality. Now we will discuss the techniques.



Posted on: September 01, 2007, 09:46:15 am
The first technique:
"OH LOTUS-EYED ONE, SWEET OF TOUCH, WHEN SINGING, SEEING, TASTING, BE AWARE YOU ARE AND DISCOVER THE EVERLIVING."
 
We are living, but we are not aware that we are or that we are living. There is no self-remembering. You are eating or you are taking a bath or you are taking a walk: you are not aware that you are while walking. Everything is, only you are not.

The trees, the houses, the traffic, everything is. You are aware of everything around you, but you are not aware of your own being -- that you are. You may be aware of the whole world, but if you are not aware of yourself that awareness is false. Why? Because your mind can reflect everything, but your mind cannot reflect you. If you are aware of yourself, then you have transcended the mind.

Your self-remembering cannot be reflected in your mind because you are behind the mind. It can reflect only things which are in front of it. You can just see others, but you cannot see yourself. Your eyes can see everyone, but your eyes cannot see themselves. If you want to see yourself you will need a mirror. Only in the mirror can you see yourself, but then you will have to stand in front of the mirror. If your mind is a mirror, it can reflect the whole world. It cannot reflect you because you cannot stand before it. You are always behind, hidden behind the mirror.
This technique says while doing anything -- singing, seeing, tasting -- be aware that you are and discover the ever-living, and discover within yourself the current, the energy, the life, the ever-living. But we are not aware of ourselves.

Gurdjieff used self-remembering as a basic technique in the West. The self-remembering is derived from this sutra. The whole Gurdjieffian system is based on this one sutra.

Remember yourself, whatsoever you are doing. It is very difficult. It looks very easy, but you will go on forgetting. Even for three or four seconds you cannot remember yourself. You will have a feeling that you are remembering, and suddenly you will have moved to some other thought. Even with this thought that "Okay, I am remembering myself," you will have missed, because this thought is not self-remembering. In self-remembering there will be no thought; you will be completely empty. And self-remembering is not a mental process. It is not that you say, "Yes, I am." Saying "Yes, I am," you have missed. This is a mind thing, this is a mental process: "I am."

Feel "I am," not the words "I am." Don't verbalize, just feel that you are. Don't think, FEEL! Try it. It is difficult, but if you go on insisting it happens. While walking, remember you are, and have the feeling of your being, not of any thought, not of any idea. Just feel. I touch your hand or I put my hand on your head: don't verbalize. Just feel the touch, and in that feeling feel not only the touch, but feel also the touched one. Then your consciousness becomes double-arrowed.

You are walking under trees: the trees are there, the breeze is there, the sun is rising. This is the world all around you; you are aware of it. Stand for a moment and suddenly remember that you are, but don't verbalize. Just feel that you are.

This nonverbal feeling, even if for only a single moment, will give you a glimpse -- a glimpse which no LSD can give you, a glimpse which is of the real. For a single moment you are thrown back to the center of your being. You are behind the mirror; you have transcended the world of reflections; you are existential. And you can do it at any time. It doesn't need any special place or any special time. And you cannot say, "I have no time." When eating you can do it, when taking a bath you can do it, when moving or sitting you can do it -- anytime. No matter what you are doing, you can suddenly remember yourself, and then try to continue that glimpse of your being.

It will be difficult. One moment you will feel it is there, the next moment you will have moved away. Some thought will have entered, some reflection will have come to you, and you will have become involved in the reflection. But don't be sad and don't be disappointed. This is so because for lives together we have been concerned with the reflections. This has become a robot-like mechanism. Instantly, automatically, we are thrown to the reflection. But if even for a single moment you have the glimpse, it is enough for the beginning. And why is it enough? Because you will never get two moments together. Only one moment is with you always. And if you can have the glimpse for a single moment, you can remain in it. Only effort is needed -- a continuous effort is needed.

A single moment is given to you. You cannot have two moments together, so don't worry about two moments. You will always get only one moment. And if you can be aware in one moment, you can be aware for your whole life. Now only effort is needed, and this can be done the whole day. Whenever you remember, remember yourself.

"OH LOTUS-EYED ONE, SWEET OF TOUCH, WHEN SINGING, SEEING, TASTING, BE AWARE YOU ARE, AND DISCOVER THE EVER-LIVING:" When the sutra says "Be aware you are", what will you do? Will you remember that, "My name is Ram" or "Jesus" or something else? Will you remember that you belong to such and such a family, to such and such a religion and tradition? To such and such a country and caste and creed? Will you remember that you are a communist or a Hindu or a Christian? What will you remember?

The sutra says be aware you are; it simply says "You are". No name is needed, no country is needed. Let there be simple existence: you are! So don't say to yourself who you are. Don't answer that, "I am this and that." Let there be simple existence, that you are.

But it becomes difficult because we never remember simple existence. We always remember something which is just a label, not existence itself. Whenever you think about yourself, you think about your name, religion, country, many things, but never the simple existence that you are.

You can practice this: relaxing in a chair or just sitting under a tree, forget everything and feel this "you-areness."

No Christian, no Hindu, no Buddhist, no Indian, no Englishman, no German -- simply, you are. Have the feeling of it, and then it will be easy for you to remember what this sutra says: "BE AWARE YOU ARE, AND DISCOVER THE EVER-LIVING." And the moment you are aware that you are, you are thrown into the current of the ever-living. The false is going to die; only the real will remain.

That is why we are so much afraid of death: because the unreal is going to die. The unreal cannot be forever, and we are attached to the unreal, identified with the unreal. You as a Hindu will have to die; you as Ram or Krishna will have to die; you as a communist, as an atheist, as a theist, will have to die; you as a name and form will have to die. And if you are attached to name and form, obviously the fear of death will come to you, but the real, the existential, the basic in you, is deathless. Once the forms and names are forgotten, once you have a look within to the nameless and the formless, you have moved into the eternal.

"BE AWARE YOU ARE AND DISCOVER THE EVER-LIVING": This technique is one of the most helpful, and it has been used for millennia by many teachers, masters. Buddha used it, Mahavira used it, Jesus used it, and in modern times Gurdjieff used it. Among all the techniques, this is one of the most potential. Try it. It will take time; months will pass.

When Ouspensky was learning with Gurdjieff, for three months he had to make much effort, arduous effort, in order to have a glimpse of what self-remembering is.

So continuously, for three months, Ouspensky lived in a secluded house just doing only one thing -- self-remembering. Thirty persons started that experiment, and by the end of the first week twenty-seven had escaped; only three remained. The whole day they were trying to remember -- not doing anything else, just remembering that "I am." Twenty-seven felt they were going crazy. They felt that now madness was just near, so they escaped. They never turned back; they never met Gurdjieff again.

Why? As we are, really, we are mad. Not remembering who we are, what we are, we are mad, but this madness is taken as sanity. Once you try to go back, once you try to contact the real, it will look like craziness, it will look like madness. Compared to what we are, it is just the reverse, the opposite. If you feel that this is sanity, that will look like madness.

But three persisted. One of the three was P. D. Ouspensky. For three months they persisted. Only after the first month did they start having glimpses of simply being -- of "I am." After the second month, even the "I" dropped, and they started having the glimpses of "am-ness" -- of just being, not even of "I", because "I" is also a label. The pure being is not "I" and "thou"; it just is.

And by the third month even the feeling of "am-ness" dissolved because that feeling of am-ness is still a word. Even that word dissolves.

Then you are, and then you know what you are. Before that point comes you cannot ask, "Who am I?" Or you can go on asking continuously, "Who am I?", just continuously inquiring, "Who am I ? Who am I?", and all the answers that will be provided by the mind will be found false, irrelevant. You go on asking, "Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?" and a point comes where you can no more ask the question. All the answers fall down, and then the question itself falls down and disappears. And when even the question, "Who am I?" disappears, you know who you are.

Gurdjieff tried from one corner: just try to remember you are. Raman Maharshi tried from another corner. He made it a meditation to ask, to inquire, "Who am I?" And don't believe in any answers that the mind can supply. The mind will say, "What nonsense are you asking? You are this, you are that, you are a man, you are a woman, you are educated or uneducated, rich or poor." The mind will supply answers, but go on asking. Don't accept any answer because all the answers given by the mind are false. They are from the unreal part of you. They are coming from words, they are coming from scriptures, they are coming from conditioning, they are coming from society, they are coming from others. Go on asking. Let this arrow of "Who am I?" penetrate deeper and deeper. A moment will come when no answer will come.

That is the right moment.

Now you are nearing the answer. When no answer comes, you are near the answer because mind is becoming silent -- or you have gone far away from the mind. When there will be no answer and a vacuum will be created all around you, your questioning will look absurd. Whom are you questioning? There is no one to answer you. Suddenly, even your questioning will stop. With the questioning, the last part of the mind has dissolved because this question was also of the mind. Those answers were of the mind and this question was also of the mind. Both have dissolved, so now YOU ARE.

Try this. There is every possibility, if you persist, that this technique can give you a glimpse of the real -- and the real is ever-living.

      O S H O
      Commentaries on Vigyan Bhairav Tantra Vol I
      Chapter : 35:Turning inward toward the real
      24 February 1973 pm in Woodlands, Bombay

^^^^^

And this connects with all that has been taken place in this thread + the attitude like exhibited by bedrin Fiyah... It is not real reasoning... but a kind of MIND that the I lives. It does not real looks foward for integration, rather trying to instill doubt, where it is not necessary.

The is more to help expose the attitude, but this much... Meditate.

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Re: Grand Keys of Rastafari by Baba
« Reply #25 on: September 01, 2007, 12:07:23 PM »

Greetings bredren, Moses

I enjoyed that last post. It put many things in perspective.

I'll admit I didn't truly meditate on it yet, so i'm not sure I agree with everything, but most of it, I agree.

I can remember as a child, when all the other kids were playing with their toys, or in the park, I was sitting at the top of a tree, watching and listening to the birds. As a youth I would relax and meditate in a cave. My family couldn't overstand what makes me do things like that. Some called me crazy, and some prayed for me. But I knew from childhood, I FELT that everything is connected, I didn't overstand how or why, but I FELT IT. I still don't fully overstand, which is why I enjoyed your last post.

If there is something more in-depth on that subject, can the I share?

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Re: Grand Keys of Rastafari by Baba
« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2007, 09:30:50 PM »

.Africa is not in the situation it is because of a lack of meditation! Africans been meditating on everything but their true self!

Is a Blackman Redemption, no need to get jumpy!
Bob Marley

Good Point!!

But too much "EGO Trippin'" mi bredrens. I say this with love to two a unu (both of you), put the B#!!$h*T aside and just reason with one another.

Who can tell me, in one sentence, what this discussion is exactly about?


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Re: Grand Keys of Rastafari by Baba
« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2007, 07:57:02 AM »

Although I grew up with the liberating radical teachings of Osho as a enlightening influence on I subculture and family......I feel he was directing the vein of wisdom he channeled to mostly middle class white people....not trying to be colourist at all, its just the "social-status" and ecomonic ease of these ones who were dealing with more spoilt brat kind of issues than the reality of finding adequate employment, and dealing with the extreme shituations that arise in a economically destitute social climate...Rasta deals with these in a way that Rajgneeshes orange people do not seem to in my observations...the ones I have observed are wonderful healers (if you can afford that sort of thing) and run health food shops and are brilliant musicians and international travelers and due to their already privileged social standing have affluent jobs and beautiful homes in gorgeous surrounds.....lovely and liberated.....
I will not deny I personally adore Osho and have heard that he was killed in the same way as Bob Marley....poisoned at the airport upon entering America...so there is definitely room for Osho in Rasta in I sight, but Rasta is so much more....and I too would like to see more personal from Bredda Moses, as, at some stage, we all must put aside the books and external teachings and stand upon our own feet and speak our own wisdom and truths.....give others the benefit of our own experiences, our pains, loves, causes, passions, insights, mystical realities and hearts longings....
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Re: Grand Keys of Rastafari by Baba
« Reply #28 on: September 02, 2007, 03:08:20 PM »

Give thanks Bredren!!!!


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The ego is a very necessary part of ones mind/consciousness. It really is ones I-dentity. The idea is not to deny ego only to keep things in a balanced perspective.

so true!!!
Raspect!!!
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Re: Grand Keys of Rastafari by Baba
« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2007, 03:33:45 AM »

Blessed and Divine Love Idren.
This Night I and I come to ask, Given the built up tension,  Is the Ego/self/ME a very necessary part of ones mind/consciousness?.  Ones I~dentity??
If Rasta go back to the very beginning, and embrace the Innection between we in this world, and Jah which surround I and I,  Where is there room for "me" ?.  It is the very basic root of Higher self to shed the "me", hence I and I.

Bredren Fiyah, from Jamaica.  Bredren Moses from Tanzania,  Sistren Nya in Australia, and ras Nevoe from U.S.  I man am in the mountians of Vermont.  Are we all to serve the same purpose?., Have the same view of what it is to be a Rasta?.

Or are we to come and see that ones view of Rasta has another side to this Beauty.  Another front to touch pon?. 

As SistahNya put it, the step from "talk to walk".  We each have this Love and Vision within us, and for some it is in the battle of the physicalness of this World we live in.  Yet, for others it is the Very Physicalness we sight as the "me", and something that does not belong to I and I.  In some very real ways we are part of a Collective consciousness, so I man am left wondering ,as is Ras Nevoe, what is it that has happened in this thread?.  Surely it is not a smacking back and forth.  Rather, it is a vision of Rastafari and the depths that it touch us in diffrent ways.

This is a beautiful post.  Grand Keys of Rastafari.  go back to page one and begin again, and lets see if we can find our way back to the reality of oneness.  Thatit touch we all whom come here to share in the wonder of Jah Light.  Not so much in the mind of the physical, but within the Irit that drive us each day to touch pon that name that is the cornerstone of our each and every Day~~~Rastafari!.

Many Thanks to Ras Nicro for such an In~spiaring thread
With thoughts of oneness to all who come here and those whom know not yet of this Love.
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