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Re: God commands we breath psychoactive smoke during temple worship
« Reply #60 on: July 23, 2008, 10:49:16 PM »

Jesus who "is" and "fulfilled" the law, believed it was "the writings of man"? Pure contradiction...
And then I said that I am sorry for seeming faithless and that it is a matter of embracing opposites.

And now I must think back to what the opposites are- because it certainly isn't Jesus and Moses.

I believed Torah long before I gave any credence to NT writings or accepted Jesus as anything other than a faded jaded cliche. (Already forgiven for that. Thank-you God for Jesus.)

AH!

That it can be the Inspired Word of God yet still have human elements...

I would not denigrate Moses and that was NOT my intent.
Nor does Jesus.
In Matthew 23, He says that the seat of Moses has authority. I have been convinced that the correct translation of this is "Therefore do what he(Moses) says and not what they do."

The opposites are that there are specific elements that seem "wrong", like Abram being asked to sacrifice Isaac, that are perfected in Yeshuah's sacrifice.

(Lest anyone reading think this is any way a digression, please keep in mind that the Torah in toto is The Law of Moses. Genesis is included. The Creation, the Garden, the Fall, all part of the Law.)

Of course it is wrong to kill your child for God. How many times does God demand people not sacrifice our children? (Given that is to false gods, but there is no "They passed their children through flames for Moloch and not for YHWH" it is rather "They passed their children through the fire for M.")

Yet then God demands sacrifice of his firstborn of Abram, which he then replaces with a substitute- interestingly, a RAM not a lamb.)

Then God sacrifices His child, the personification of The Law, the Living Word of God~

2000 years of practice and we still aren't perfect.

Oskar, I wasn't offended. Thank-you for having my back.

Elijah I- I love you, Brother.
I'm not fighting Jews.
I have no beef with the Law and the Prophets.

Without Torah Yeshuah is not the Son of God OR the Son of Man.
(Speaking of embracing opposites).

And without the Prophets, how could we know?

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Re: God commands we breath psychoactive smoke during temple worship
« Reply #61 on: July 24, 2008, 01:51:37 AM »

Yes, You don't have beef with it, its just the "opposite" of the truth. Or like I said, those "seemings" are just to you and your people.
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Re: God commands we breath psychoactive smoke during temple worship
« Reply #62 on: July 24, 2008, 02:45:40 AM »

I have no beef with the Law and the Prophets.

Yes, You don't have beef with it, its just the "opposite" of the truth.

What exactly are you calling the opposite of the truth here?
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Re: God commands we breath psychoactive smoke during temple worship
« Reply #63 on: July 24, 2008, 03:34:20 AM »

Like I said. Ask her. i obviously don't share the opinion that the scriptures "seem wrong".
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Re: God commands we breath psychoactive smoke during temple worship
« Reply #64 on: July 24, 2008, 04:19:18 AM »

Elijah I, I keep thinking that you are putting words into my mouth and then I realize that you are reading what I wrote.

See how easy it is to misconstrue another?

How many times can I write that the Ible- THE WHOLE OF IT- is the Living Word of God- and have some people think I am a superstitious fool for believing and others, like you, my brother, who think I don't believe?

Moses is NOT God.

Period.

OBVIOUSLY Abram being asked to sacrifice Isaac is NOT wrong- GOD did the asking.
Sacrificing your children IS wrong.
Period.

That's part of embracing opposites.

I believed in teleological suspension of the ethical before I knew I believed in God.
Now I know if God said or did it, it is ethical- no teleological suspension.

You can argue yourself out of any fellowship at all, or you can suck it up, develop some LOVE, and accept that some people don't express everything exactly as you do, but still love, worship, respect, and have communication with the selfsame diety as you.

LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS I HAVE LOVED YOU.

MOTE IN YOUR BROTHER'S EYE, LOG IN YOUR OWN.

Sufficient for the day are it's own cares.

At this point I believe you, Elijah I, are the only person who doesn't see we're on the same page.
Unless you don't believe Jesus is the Messiah.

In which case, I have nothing to say.
If believing Jesus is the Living Word of God is anti-Jewish in your opinion there's naught I can do or say. If believing Moses, the stuttering murderer, is an imperfect human beloved of and used by God is anti-Jewish, there's naught I can do or say.

On the risk of judging another, I think you need to soften your heart and let some scales fall from your eyes.
No-one will be as complete as you in overstanding. We all get crucified. We're all Christ in our own minds...until we carry the cross and learn to love.

Bless up.
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Re: God commands we breath psychoactive smoke during temple worship
« Reply #65 on: July 24, 2008, 12:43:11 PM »

I simply do not see the "human elements" of the law as being "opposed".
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Re: God commands we breath psychoactive smoke during temple worship
« Reply #66 on: July 24, 2008, 01:02:50 PM »

I simply do not see the "human elements" of the law as being "opposed".

No.
Of course not.
They aren't.
That's what embracing opposites is all about.

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Re: God commands we breath psychoactive smoke during temple worship
« Reply #67 on: July 24, 2008, 05:28:27 PM »

Again that you see it this way is not surprising. While I and I know that the Ible is not the Ispired word of G-d "inspite of the fact" it has "human elements", it is because of it, and so would not describe any elements of the bible as opposing one another.



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Re: God commands we breath psychoactive smoke during temple worship
« Reply #68 on: July 24, 2008, 05:34:31 PM »

Of course.

What am I saying?
Aren't we agreeing?

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Re: God commands we breath psychoactive smoke during temple worship
« Reply #69 on: July 24, 2008, 06:13:46 PM »

You said that the bible is the word of g-d yet has human elements, and spoke of embracing opposites as if human nature and divinity are opposed though exist in unity. This may be an idea expounded within parts of the bible. My point is that a holistic understanding says otherwise, that human nature is divinity itself and that there is only "one side" to g-d. That it is incorrect to speak of "opposites" existing within JAH.
Posted on: July 24, 2008, 06:44:40 pm
Just because opposites may be embracing does not make them not still opposites. And that is my point. That gentiles see many aspects of the bible as opposites or embracing opposites but it is not really so. People use Jesus to cut off the Jews. But it is not really g-d they worship. Just a collection of insecurities they posit as "christianity" held together by a "church".
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Re: God commands we breath psychoactive smoke during temple worship
« Reply #70 on: July 24, 2008, 06:34:39 PM »

I avoid those churches.

The Ible doesn't embrace opposites.
People need to learn to embrace opposites.

Once the opposites are embraced, isn't their "not oppositeness" apparent?

I'm in a non-standard area, here in Alaska.
I forget what christianity is like to most people.
In general, people aren't treated well in what is called christianity and in general it is a simple extension of Dagon worship with a little Mithraism and new names for the same old ceremonies.

Which is probably what brought me to Rasta Nick's and back to rastafarianism.
It would be nice to have an accurate label, but then that creates more divisions.

Like I just did calling christians pagans.

And that helps no-one.

God doesn't break His covenants.
I don't believe that Judaism is thrown by the wayside in favor of the "new" covenant.

His love for us will never change.
That is huge.
He loved us before we were born He'll love us long after we're dead and He loved us after we were dead before we were even born.

One Love, Elijah I.
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Re: God commands we breath psychoactive smoke during temple worship
« Reply #71 on: July 24, 2008, 08:36:53 PM »

The Ible doesn't embrace opposites.

Seen. That's why I don't agree that Yesus sees the law as unauthorized.
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Re: God commands we breath psychoactive smoke during temple worship
« Reply #72 on: July 25, 2008, 08:59:36 AM »

I don't agree that Yesus sees the law as unauthorized.

He does?
Posted on: July 25, 2008, 03:55:46 am
Sorry, I was in a rush going to work. I mean who does?
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Re: God commands we breath psychoactive smoke during temple worship
« Reply #73 on: July 25, 2008, 05:06:47 PM »

Jesus never said the Law of Moses was "unauthorized."
Quite the opposite.

Now I see.
Thank-you.

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Re: God commands we breath psychoactive smoke during temple worship
« Reply #74 on: July 26, 2008, 06:52:01 AM »

Jesus never said the Law of Moses was "unauthorized."
Quite the opposite.

At the time it was, but it was different from what was from the beginning. As it was in the beginning so shall it be in the end.
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