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Re: Obama Now President
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2008, 05:30:24 AM »



           seems like it maybe a generational thing. to us older folks i suppose it was an important happening. i agree with much of what is being xpressed on this thread concerning obama not being the answer, still something was going on inside of me that i could not contain; like i said maybe it's juss a generational thing. i know obama is an imperialist like the rest and he promises more war, i'm aware of that yet i'm so glad bush and dick r gone and bombs away mccain didn't get in.

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Re: Obama Now President
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2008, 05:35:02 AM »

Marcus Garvey wasn't a socialist who promoted infanticide so that "My daughters won't be punished with a baby."

I am praying for him.

How can a Ras promote a man who legislates the death of babies?

What am I missing?

OH- maybe he is the antichrist.

I laughed at that, but now there is a mountain in Aruba named for him.

SAY WHAT?

NAME A MOUNTAIN FOR THE BABIES HE REFUSED TO ALLOW TO BE FED.

Bless up.
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Re: Obama Now President
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2008, 12:15:48 PM »

  Greetings I~dren,  I and I can cee that there are feelings bout Obama, funny how these things did not come out before the election and the time chose is after when the dust and rhetoric has subsided.  A few Interesting points have been made.
  Natty, I have been keeping up with the Obama Wave ever since and have never heard the things mentioned of him saying a lateterm birth should be left to starve.  Link us to it if possible. 
  Higginzs point of Democracy is Blasphemous can be seen but, what other system is proposed?.  In the past the very Kings JAH Chose for us were not willing to follow the Covenant and so the people followed the kings.  Democracy, as far as I have been a part of is the exerscise of an Individual's right to be repersent in voice to the election of a leader.  It always seem that ones on the outskirts point fingers at the center and say it is not the way.  From this vantage point there is not much sucess in getting the people moving in a different direction, it must happen from withIn.  If we are to change the direction, we must start where the concentration is greatest and lead in the flow that is Most beneficial to the Many.
  Ras Shawn, There are some KEY words The I use in the posting.   Complacency.   THIS word is the very next word that came to mind after it was learned Obama had Earned the Presidency.  It is NOT time to heap pon the shoulders of the man, but time for WE to Stand up and lead by example.  Hold him and Our office accountable for both policy and practice.

  It is the first time, in a long time, that we feel PART of Democracy, not just Victims of it.  This is what energizes the youth into seeing and ACTING as ONE.  Though the same object may bee seen thru many differing lenses, we are still looking at the same thing.  and so to minimalize the Importance of this time or to demonize this hopeful new direction is just sour grapes.  I can only shutter to think what I man would feel if McCain / Palin would have one.  We have been battered successively for many, many years now with the false conception that our wealth is a personal thing.  There is NO WAY that anytime we divide into "you" and "me"  that we loose the I in I.  Let this stand as the shattering of a strangle grip on WE.  It is a new day and forward is the only direction time will allow.  We must see and Hold the Positive course to the Children we must become for the tomorrow of our dreams.  Hold the Most I close in heart and Mind and let our Bodies come along for the ride.  We are in a time of Sufferation and Sacrifice is the only way through.  It is in the hearts and Minds of many now that this new threshold has been achieved.  Do not let the negativity of Babylon diminish this Blessed Transformation, for it starts right here, behind these eyes looking out at a hopeful world.  Hope that has JAH as Driver and Pure heart as an engine.  Drive Mistah Drivah.
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Re: Obama Now President
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2008, 12:57:41 PM »

Good post Surfmon_I!  I agree we must stand up and lead by example.

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Re: Obama Now President
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2008, 03:53:40 PM »

 Higginzs point of Democracy is Blasphemous can be seen but, what other system is proposed?.  In the past the very Kings JAH Chose for us were not willing to follow the Covenant and so the people followed the kings.  Democracy, as far as I have been a part of is the exerscise of an Individual's right to be repersent in voice to the election of a leader.  It always seem that ones on the outskirts point fingers at the center and say it is not the way.  From this vantage point there is not much sucess in getting the people moving in a different direction, it must happen from withIn.  If we are to change the direction, we must start where the concentration is greatest and lead in the flow that is Most beneficial to the Many.

An alternative to democracy is having no ruler, or even dictatorship, seeing how the people don't carry the responsability of the leader in that case. But in truth, a temporary leader is far from necessary, as people are more than capable of leading their own life. And the leaders generally represented by the individuals voice refuse to follow the covenant as well. And so the people follow Satan.

Ask yourself as to where your own place is, the outskirts or the center? Conform with the political correctness that is Satan(modern satanism is in no way related to Satan or the worship thereof, but materialism and the worship thereof.), or the religious correctness that is Jah?

As for the benefit for the many, I see none. America is not the many, the western globe is not many, the people whose lives they fuck(I'm sorry, but seriously.) up are. I am not free to do as I please, I am not free to disobey any law set by man, but am forced to break those of Jah. I don't want the ethical schooling, the privacy conflict, and I don't want voting to effect me when I don't want anything to do with it. And most of all, I don't want to have war on my hands. And I see no reason why every single politician (and the people who voted for him/her) who has ever, in any and/if all case(s), supported any war, shouldn't be in jail for murder, rape, assault, breach of privacy, general disrespect for life and feelings, personal attacks, denial, ignorance. It is every voters responsability as well as the presidents.

One cannot deny the consequences of their action.
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Re: Obama Now President
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2008, 05:07:15 AM »

Marcus Garvey wasn't a socialist who promoted infanticide so that "My daughters won't be punished with a baby."

I am praying for him.

How can a Ras promote a man who legislates the death of babies?

What am I missing?

OH- maybe he is the antichrist.

I laughed at that, but now there is a mountain in Aruba named for him.

SAY WHAT?

NAME A MOUNTAIN FOR THE BABIES HE REFUSED TO ALLOW TO BE FED.

Bless up.


harsh stuff sis, seems to me. it nice u gonna pray for him tho. maybe he turn out good for country after what we all been thru the last 8 years. they named a mountain after him? well he not the first. they carved the faces of four presidents on a mountain in the sacred black hills of the lakota's. and these guys were slave owners and responsible for millions of deaths. maybe obama will do some good. blessings sis.   
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Re: Obama Now President
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2008, 04:40:47 PM »

Greetings

Just a few quick words on this topic.

This issue has been debated in a strong manner every single day over on the Rastafari Speaks message board since July 6th this year.  (I remember the date as it came couple days after Independence Day, after I posted a pro-Obama message as an agitation for July 4th).

I'm going to try and resist saying much else on this topic as I don't want to contribute to vibes to tearing the brother down and I hope he does well.  Just know that critique is not about Obama personally, but more about the structure and motivations of the structure that sees him where he is today.  I hope and pray in all my heart he is the fulfillment of InI dreams.  BUT he could also be the most dangerous instrument used against InI if he is being used to quieten the racism debate to get us all happy clappy in a false sense of security, thinking we've arrived now.  All our hopes pinned on the one man.  A man that can be used as a scapegoated at any time by the structures behind the man, bringing all our hopes down with him twice as hard and fast as the assent. 

Rasta is in the world, but not of it.  That is InI position as taught by InI Elders.  We best to remember that teachment in these heady times.

Blessed Love one and all.

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Re: Obama Now President
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2008, 10:07:47 AM »

The problem with the current Global Power Bases is that they were set up by those who enjoy full and 'unlimited access' to the goods and services on offer in society. Essentially, what we have is a system of State Socialism for the wealthiest people on the planet (the Bank Bail Outs clearly highlights this observation). The people who enjoy such unlimited access to all of the goods and services are, therefore, the people who are really represented by the politicians in our Parliaments (there are no poor sufferers in Westminster or the Senate, etc, in spite of the fact, for example, that the House of Commons was named so because it was introduced as a means for the 'common' people, those without 'unlimited access', to be represented in Westminster). As with any system that operates within the bounds of capitalism, it is self serving and cannot be seen to be charitable to those who oil its wheels, the labour/work force, because that would detract from the competitive nature of a free market economy. The only guarantees we get when one or other of the two parties get elected into office is that the wealthy will remain wealthy, the rest of us will pay taxes, and that wars will be fought.

Obama promises to bring 'change' to America and, therefore, the World. I am sure that, during his Administrations term of office, he will make changes and I am sure that some of those changes will be positive. However, the 'change' that the people of the world really need is a long way off and will be very difficult to implement. The difficulties arise when one comes to the realisation that the wealthiest people will have to make sacrifices and relinquish some of their free and 'unlimited access' to the goods and services that are being provided by society. The Babylonian system is run by the same people, so, as it stands, these sacrifices will have to be made voluntarily. If an elected leader seriously began to threaten the elites grip on the wealth and power, they would quickly be usurped and replaced with someone who is intent on maintaining the Status-Quo of a 'trickle down' economic system. At the moment, the halls of power the world over are occupied solely by members of that elite. Even the few who hail from humble beginnings and make it through the myriad glass ceilings to elected office are soon catapulted into the 'unlimited access' bracket and thus bribed into representing the elite and preserving the status-quo. The same bribery is used to silence those people who are in the public eye and, therefore, capable of influencing large numbers of people. Because of the power of the media, it is imperative that actors, musicians, authors, newsreaders, journalists etc etc enjoy 'unlimited access' or are at least censored by a member of that elite, ie a newspaper Editor. Successful musicians are a particular danger to the establishment, as we of all people should know only too well. They are rapidly projected into the Elite of the Elite, commanding huge sums of money for public performances that last but an hour or so. Such high paid celebrities throw very little weight when criticising a system which they obviously benefit from so greatly. If they do make noises, like Bono, for example, however noble the intent, it just doesn't have the weight that it would have if they hadn't become so wealthy and elitist in the eyes of the masses. Very few musicians have been capable of shrugging off the Babylonian chains of success. Bob Marley was one of those musicians. His lyrics transcended class, wealth, race... the whole deal. As a result, the system perceived him as a serious threat... the rest is history. Bob Marley stood for the people and wouldn't move! He kept it real.

Barack Obama is a highly intelligent man and is, no doubt, more than aware of the above. I have taken the time to listen to his speeches and have read as much about him and his ideas as I can. He knows the score. He knows a lot more than I do about the Babylon system. I also believe that he is more than capable of rising above his elite status and actually wants to see an end to the appalling inequalities and sufferizations that afflict mankind in todays world. It goes without saying, therefore, that he is also aware of the unequal balance of power and how deeply entrenched this Babylonian system is. He knows damn well that there will be armed conflict on an enormous scale if the resident power base is too gravely threatened in a short time frame. The elite have amassed a Biblical scale arsenal of Weapons Of Mass Destruction and will use them with impunity if they perceive a very real threat to their self-seeking system, that's why they made them in the first place. Obama knows that he must tread carefully and also knows that he can only be the beginning if we are to eventually enjoy living amongst each other equally and peacefully without having the bombs go off first. If he can start us off along the peaceful road to a better world for our children, he will have won my admiration hands down, because we don't even know where that road begins at the moment. His task, if he manages to keep hold of his ideals (I dare not say intent), is indeed one of monumental proportions. At the moment, the majority of economists and politicians simply do not have any other ideas and honestly believe this is the fairest system we can possibly have.

The reason that there is, at last, a glimmer of hope on its way to the White House is simply because enough people the world over wanted Obama elected. The American people got up and voted for hope, the world influenced them. The internet became a vehicle for the truth during the Presidential campaign. At long last the lies being spread around by the Old School power mongers were exposed on the internet and the journalists thus had to start telling the truth. The GOP reaction was there for all to see. The elite cannot operate fully within the bounds of the truth. The internet really began to flex its muscles and it will always speak for and represent the common people because, as it stands, it belongs to us. Already, however, the internet is under threat. The big service providers in the USA want to create a two tiered internet so that people will have to pay more to surf less commercial sites, like this one. It will destroy the internet as we know it. Sites like this will disappear. It will no longer belong to us (Google 'net neutrality' to get a better picture). We have to stop them. If enough of us want the same thing and voice it, we will get it. That's how it works. Really, the power rests with us. Obama being elected President clearly proves that. What worries me is all of the expectation. We have to be patient and wait for change. It will come if we are patient.

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Re: Obama Now President
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2008, 01:26:31 PM »

Greetings UKBlaza,

Powerful post my Idrin.  Give thanks for the teachment! 

Bless up, RASpect.


I would only differ on your very last point.  I don't believe we should be patient and wait for change.  I believe each of us needs to get off our backsides and affect change in any ways we can.  Absolutely there is far too much expectation on Obama, and he will only succeed in to goals if we all have our own goals that we are also working towards.  If we sit and wait for him then that raises the expectations on the brother even more.

If there is anything Obama Day has taught, it is that anybody is possible of making change, and we must take that opportunity to see the world around us, to look at the community outside InI gates, and think, how can I change something here for the better?  Waiting for change was the mantra the Christians used on us to keep us passive.  An Iducated people don't wait for change, they influence change.

Each one of us have a role to play in life and a positive contribution to make for the betterment of the people.  That is the Works. That is not waiting for change to happen.

Anyway, big up RASpect for the rest of your post.  I just had to say a few words on the final sentance.  Each One Teach One and thanks for your teachment.  Iron Sharpens Iron.

Blessed Love,

Ras Shawn




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Re: Obama Now President
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2008, 01:52:08 PM »

No problem Rasta. I stand corrected. I could have said it better but you just said it for me. We still need to be patient while striving for the changes we need because it will keep the expectation in check, was what I was getting at, I think!

Give thanks for taking time to read that post yeah, I know it was a bit of a long one. I just get a burning desire to say what I feel when it comes to all the politics and that, so I really appreciate your words. Honest appraisal is good teaching.

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Re: Obama Now President
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2008, 03:13:48 PM »

JAH Guidance and Itection also Idrin.

Your co-worker.

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Re: Obama Now President
« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2008, 01:37:54 PM »

Well I (yes I personally) do not deal with or step in no politricks. It is like Marley said - politricks = devilism so we nah dip into that.

OK so he is the first black president and so what ? Does that make anything better ? Will it change the situation of many black people in Amerikkka or in Africa or the rest of the world ? Will it bring anything positive in this world ? Will that be a solution to rascism in Amerikkka ? Will he solve our Global problems ? Many more question I could ask.....
 
But, since we have no answers to those questions yet, I guess we will just have to wait and see what Obama brings - right ?

Just remember, Obama is not "Superhuman" (or something like that) so do not expect too much from him. Like I said, we will just have to wait and see what happens...Maybe he will do some good, maybe not - time will tell.

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Re: Obama Now President
« Reply #27 on: January 01, 2009, 04:23:30 PM »

  "The white hegemony, of which Obama is a part, is afraid of losing control and is using any means possible to maintain their position at the top of the pyramid. "

http://www.counterpunch.org/secor12262008.html
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Re: Obama Now President
« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2009, 02:30:06 AM »

Please check out Africom:The Obama Agenda-Covered by Alex Jones on YouTube (sorry don't know how to put the link in :-[)
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Re: Obama Now President
« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2009, 11:27:56 AM »

Barack Obama is a cousin to Dick cheney, a bloodline from france leading to around 10 of the US presdients,
so yeh, the supposed opposition is the same family  >:D.
we are all individual Presidents/kings and we must rein over those close to us,


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