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How about this!
« on: March 04, 2009, 04:40:31 PM »

This is in response to many months of cyclic arguing on this forum and to Knowledge's point here

"I want people to show me some information/knowledge; which I can take away to consider/research and come up with a viewpoint based on overstanding; whether that viewpoint is a strengthening of the original viewpoint or the relinquishing of the viewpoint."

For a long, long time on this forum it has been mostly reasoning/arguing/bitching/and finger pointing on subjects from the past such as posts about Jesus/bible/torah/Jews/Solomon/Holy Books/Holy writings...etc,etc which none of us can seriously say this or that is the truth in any realistic terms because we were not there physically, the writings have been subject to lots of changes, each person has been raised to see things a particular way, etc, etc, etc. This just creates division amongst us and in some cases hate which spills over in to this forum and gives us ALL a bad name. What im proposing is knowledge/information/writings etc, that touch at the very heart of us all were none of us are immune to it and all of us no matter your color, race, religion or creed need to be aware of such information for our freedom spiritually, mentally and physicaly. Information which is undeniable, proven facts, in your face so that there is no what if's, could be's, or not sure's. Our WORLD whether you care to see it or not is heading down a dangerous and  un-predicatble path controlled by a few with intentions that are the opposite of that which makes us Human...LOVE and UNDERSTANDING. There is a system that has been in place for a long time no which has enslaved everyone of us no matter who you are, if your reading this you are not immune to it and are yourself a serf/slave to this system....im talking about THE LAW. In Roman times the Caesers created a form of control to enslave the masses and in there grand law book called to this day "The Roman Cannon Law" there is a phrase which is actually a law that says this "He who will be decieved, let them be decieved"...in other words if your not willing to understand the law then it is ok for them to decieve you for your unwillingness to know the law. Did you know that each of you no matter were you are from are a slave to the international bankers (Rothchild, JP Morgan,Hapsburg Dynasties etc) and are being used by them to pay off a debt they created, you are there product, you are the real value, the real source of money and you dont know it. The Romans created what is called Mar-itime Admiralty Law or UCC (Uniform Commercial Code), this was when the phoenicians (the original creators actually) would travel on the high seas (MAR=sea or ocean) and do business (commerce) with other nations, when they pulled into the port and the ship was stopped it was called "Birth", the ship is in it's birth, when they arrived they had to show what is called a "Manifest of Goods" which is a paper showing what is on board the ship and how much it is worth, when the port authorities have checked how much the goods/product is worth the products are then brought out of the ship (water) and the boat captain is given gold/silver or a form of currency (current as in a flowing current of water) in exchange to be given to the owners (Rome in the Caesers time). Nothing and i mean nothing has changed since those times, a boat still pulls into it's "Birth", "Manifest of Goods" is still shown and "Currency" is still exchanged and given to it's original owners.....you are a product just like the ones on a ship, when you are born you came out of your mothers "Water" at "Birth" then your parents signed a "Manifest of Goods" ("Birth  Certificate) and sold you (unconciously of course) to the new owners (the Federal Goverment) to repay a national debt...you are a slave working to pay off a debt created by the international bankers (you ALL pay taxes) we all have been enslaved for far too long and we all argue about foolish things which is a disstraction and benefit to the slave masters (religion, sports, t.v. shows, race, color,etc,etc). We all need to be educated on this and then you will understand just how deep we all are in this mess together and how we can get out of this before it is too late. Some on here will quickly say "Im not a slave", "Im free in my mind" etc, etc, but that is not so, you have simply helped those in power to keep enslaving you and everyone else...........if this interest you beyond the cycle of arguing about religion, race, color or anything trivial on here then say so and i will add much much more information to help us all clearly see what is going on and how we can change this before it is too late, One Love.
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Re: How about this!
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2009, 09:24:50 PM »

  Give Thanks Bredrin.
It is true that we arefar removed from what we could be.  Just this weekend , I went road trip solo to a meeting.  It is always good to seperate from routine, and the point is seen as in the endless cycle on the forum.  As reasoning settles to a strong universal truth ones might ask, when all this is done, settled and asked, ...then what?.  What is the root that we struggle to tap.  Rasta is Nature.  Original. 
  We have been far removed for so long.  Some rally to the truth of past injustices, while we look to the near future as the seas mount in a storm that will rend the surface clean.  One thing is sure, the focus of pridefull arrogance will come to account.  Post up , been readin a lot lately, is all good.
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Re: How about this!
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2009, 12:14:27 PM »

My bredrin Surf always a pleasure, i just feel it's time we all started to reason on real subjects not subjects which only entertain us as individuals in our search but ones we can all look outside and see, i will post tomorrow more info on this which is very interesting to say the least and can help all of us see what is taking place from a different perspective, one love.
Posted on: March 05, 2009, 02:07:40 AM
Surf read this, you will get a much deeper understanding of what is taking place by all this Loaning of Money that you see on the news every night, the Federal reserve loaning money to jump start the economy etc, etc. This is valuable information for those searching for an understanding of what is really taking place.

http://www.usavsus.info/UCC-applied.htm
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Re: How about this!
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2009, 03:10:44 PM »

  Give Thanks !  for the presentation of such information. 
  Dear Ones, we have too long lingered and sought our place of of comfort, not knowing the true underpinnings that hold we down.  It has become evident that we must stand up for ourselves and for the good that is withIn All humankind.
  I am not proposing we stand and shout, but rather bring about this revolution of freedom through the power of JAH as worked through our ecah own ability.  Far too long Ones linger in the narrow mindedness of singular thought.  The scope of this problem is many forld and we need each other to see as well as Inner sight.

  That being said, I man see that it is overwhelming sometimes as we grow and watch the world change.  Ones may ask what it is that one person can do?, and I have asked this as well.  Still do.  But is is coming to share these types of thoughts and knowledge that we spread this light of freedom.  "Without Prejudice U.C.C 1-207" is a interesting point to attach to ones name in these times and I shall look into this further with a Lawer friend.
  Many Thanks Bredrin for this and let us forward with Humble strength.

"Let us be like sheep among wolves" dose not mean powerless.  It means that we trod with Humbleness and are Strengthed by The Most I, and are in Mighty company.

  Let JAH be Praised.
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Re: How about this!
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2009, 08:45:59 PM »

Okay, Human, I'm not saying that this isn't happening  but you start out with the idea of sticking to indisputable writings then move on to NWO conspiracy theories.

How do you think the current move toward socialism in the US fits in to the overarching theme of world enslavement?

What do you propose we do, and is a public forum the best place to discuss?

It occurred to me this blasted time change happening tonight is part of the subconscious training to unquestioned obedience.

My 15 yo came home asking "What is freedom?"
I say it is like verse 50 of Lao Tsu's Tao te Ching.

One man in ten walks with no fear and nothing can harm him because he has no place for death to enter.

Bless up,
Shalom shabbat.


Check this out, just for fun:

berth 
1622, "convenient sea room" (both for ships and sailors), of uncertain origin, probably related to bear (v). Original sense is preserved in phrase to give (something or someone) wide berth. Meaning "place on a ship to stow chests, room for sailors" is from 1706; extended to non-nautical situations 1778.

birth 
c.1230, from O.N. *byrđr, which replaced O.E. gebyrd "birth," from P.Gmc. *gaburthis (cf. Ger. geburt, Goth. gabaurţs), from PIE *bhrto pp. of base *bher- "to bear" (cf. Skt. bhrtih "a bringing, maintenance," L. fors, gen. fortis "chance;" see bear (v.)). Suffix -th is for "process" (as in bath, death). Meaning "parentage, lineage, extraction" is from c.1240. Birthday is c.1000; birthnight is 1628; birthplace is from 1607; birthright is 1535. Birth control first attested 1914. Birthday suit first attested 1730s, but probably much older.
Posted on: March 07, 2009, 12:33:55 PM
Being self-sufficient food-wise, even to a small degree- changes a person enough to keep them moving in a self-sufficient direction.

Control of the food supply is a major step in domination.

How many of us are able to produce our own food?

I know I'm redoubling efforts this year.
I haven't had a really successful Alaska garden yet.

This year...

I have quite a few seeds I could share.

One of my special favorites is Tah Tsai.
I also have a wild lettuce and wild kale variety.

PM if you want some!
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Re: How about this!
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2009, 11:57:13 PM »

Conspiracy theories?????? everything i stated is FACT not one bit of it is conspiracy theory, please go look up anything i said and learn for yourself, claiming the sun is hot is not conspiracy theory it is fact, same goes for everything i said if you take a moment to research.
Posted on: March 08, 2009, 12:49:48 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk9iW_WQWVs&feature=related

This is John Harris speaking about British policies, the same is exactly true for American Policies, no difference except in names we use like congress, Federal, etc, etc. Go to dunn and bradstreet website and see for yourself.

http://www.dnb.com/us/                  on the right hand side it says find a company, type in United States Congress, any police station, any court it's all there, there corporations...guess who owns them...now guess who makes them money...you do, you are a product. No conspiracy just facts.

Natty stop using dictionaries or wikipedia, use Blacks Law Dictionary, this is the official "Legalese" language lawyers use, it's english but not your type of english.
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Re: How about this!
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2009, 01:22:22 AM »

Chill!

The bible, ot, is absolute fact, as written, and the evidence is out there too.

Torah is uncorrupted for nearly 4000 years, and all of the archeology supports it.


I am not arguing that what you are saying is untrue.

I am merely stating that it is not accepted universally.

I was not saying we are commodities is the conspiracy.
That is obviously the PURPOSE of the public education, esp in the US.

My point is simply that the Bildeburger group is considered on par with Reptilons living in the moon.
(And I'm not saying they don't.)

It is obvious to anyone with eyes who can see and ears who can hear
that our world is heading toward socialism
the ultimate commodisation of ourselves
with a cold dry VENGEANCE.

Human, I don't load vids at home- too slow too slow.

I don't think I am disagreeing with you on your points.

Also, the reminder of how ancient our business terminology is is apt.

It's baffling to me the contradiction and low-grade hostility.

I had initially read the "bear" for birth as a bear, the animal.
Etymology is never not fun.
It certainly doesn't warrant censure.

Aren't you yourself calling for unity in the face of real danger?

I am offering unity and you reprove me for how I respond.

This glorifies Yah how, exactly?

I do not pretend to be a perfect example but my effort at least is manifest, I would hope.
Please, more love and acceptance and less judgment and denial of my beliefs.

Bless up.

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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2009, 03:21:18 AM »

Natty i have no clue as to why you think im reproving you, whatever that means, im not arguing with you, pointing my finger at you or lashing out at you, were you see this in my post is beyond me. I did not mention bilderburg or reptilians on the moon so please refrain from using that in consideration of the original post please, those things have no purpose here. No one especially me is yelling or getting upset at your post so no need for the "Chill" in your writings.

"The bible, ot, is absolute fact, as written, and the evidence is out there too.

Torah is uncorrupted for nearly 4000 years, and all of the archeology supports it."

Again i dont care what you think about the torah or bible, it has nothing to do with my post so please refrain from throwing that in to the mix and of course what i said is not "accepted universally", if it was we would be much closer to a real sense of freedom by now if it was, this is the whole trick we have been under, get it.

"I do not pretend to be a perfect example but my effort at least is manifest, I would hope.
Please, more love and acceptance and less judgment and denial of my beliefs."                    what are you talking about????? who's denieing you or judging you???

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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2009, 03:15:32 PM »

What is Itinually  puzzling is that On line personalities reflect ones presumption of conflict rather than cut to the root of what we have in common.  Oh well, so much for the desire to unite.  Still we a come.
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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2009, 03:35:18 PM »

It's fear Surfmon, fear that yes this "might" be occuring to them but not willing to face it, i understand this and how some can be fearful, but, this is why this information should be spread so that it can slowly eliminate the fear and people can start to face it and make changes. Im simply letting people know what is happening and has happened to ALL OF US, not regurgitating the same old stuff on here about bible stories and religion and white/black rasta posts. Maybe its above some people heads at this moment or maybe not interested at all in it and would rather think that other posts are more useful. I will keep posting more if people want, if not i will stop.
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Re: How about this!
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2009, 09:16:43 AM »

Aye Bedrin Human and All...

Maximum raspect for the link, and info.

I real appreciate the I 's concern about matters at the dial of time. Sure things are happening and some of us differ the capacity to comprehend the matter.

I had loved so much Sean Conrad's paper... And I have saved it into I library for further study. I as a man strive so much now to understand law even considering to join American Law School. Not because American Judiciary is most effective, nope; evidence are bound that it is the worst! Strange enough its kernel of order, the constitution of United States Of America is erected in soundly principles of universe.

Where I man live the challenge is not such hard to repair, as it is in America. But America is in state of emergence... Just as Sean Conrad has presented, it prompt all of us to think about it and see what we can choose and do. Like old saying, when people know better they will choose better. A point of one presenting his serious study in a certain real issue in a common ground to facilitate people making better decisions based on facts revealed and share... In fact i as a man, real honor all the people who gather courage to present what the had come to know in broader sense amidst a strangling danger... It real helps us to see thru.

And when we share further what has been passed to us, it is in actual sense honoring what someone else had done, marking his/her dignity and right. This is what I see that forums can do so much, and for sure this is its rightful place. Dignity and honor always go together with integrity and choice. And it is immediate.

On the other hand, when people come into groups... A necessity of culture of dialogue ensures. Some of us, have individual inclination to learn long and steadly and then decide. But when we come into groups this attitude will have to be counterbalanced to the level of common overstanding of other preceding in the group, and hence dialogue... Of course this usually means things to turn slow; yet it is inevitable... What is a golden attitude is tolerance. And this also means mastering what Jesus taught Be Ye Wise as Serpent, gentle as doves, a 3 3 degree. For many people, even of individual best intentions; this is basic precept of synergy... It requires us to have a sense of balance of Intellect and feeling...

Intellect is quick, yet it is half it takes. The feelings are subjected to stirring and so patience is also a tactical stance. But any person who want to be a master to steer any course of direction, s/he has got to master himself first... And this is an art. Learning to laugh and not taking things serious can help one, not to overstep the border and hence leading to other outcomes s/he wouldn't like to see them happening. And the way of avoiding pitifull is a very thin line... Chances are, each one of us must slip here and there every now and then. The point is, just be Alert... And even if u strike, know well it make rash back unto you quick, so learn to take responsibility as well. Of course it is not that I as a man mean we should be perfectionist... No no. Yet don't worry too about making mistakes. Learn to laugh then; at ur own folly. Every thing you do even if be tough, do it with love. Then learn to weep with your heart for any error that might have caused trouble to your bedrins and sistrens. Learn to sympathize and making it up to someone u might have disgraced; and with this, one 's spirit sours with dignity and righteousness, the light of the soul.

Sister Natty, it is alright that the I's heart may need warm up or something. And Iman appreciate you for speaking up ur mind too. Still, it is to paint a wider picture; we all need canvas to reveal. Whether alternatively or within the same lines. I looking foward the theme of the thread can return into its core essence yet u r concerns are as valuable as it speaks ur heart; bless up.

Still reading some books; Ricardo Semler's Maverick! and Michael Hammer and James Champy's Reengineering The Corporation... A lot to reveal about the old and falling capitalist infer mental, Bureaucracies and all nasty world of the rule of few robbing many people's share of true happiness.

JAH Love Guide & Protect InI
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Re: How about this!
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2009, 12:22:57 PM »

Give thanks Moses for the nice post, here is some more info for the masses, this is about BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

Bubble #2 - Child Registration

It is a miracle of a time, and when you are all excited about having your baby, the government social worker that works at the hospital will approach you with some registration forms, telling you 'you have to register your baby'. She will hand you a form and on the cover it says in bold language, 'Every Parent must register' and 'After a baby is born every parent must register the birth and legal name of their child'.

 

Inside it says:
This brochure contains an IMPORTANT form which parents must complete for every baby born in America/British Columbia. The Registration of Live Birth form is the official Provincial record of the birth and the registration of the child's legal name. Everything you need to complete the form is provided including detailed instructions and a pre-addressed envelope.'
(It is designed to make you believe you have an obligation to register and if you don't the law will get involved and you will be in big trouble.)


Next paragraph reads:
By law, you must register the birth and legal name of your child within 30 days of the birth. Naming a child and registering the birth are your important responsibilities because registration is the only way of creating a permanent legal record of a person's birth. There is no fee to register a baby's birth so long as it is registered within 30 days. Simply fill in the registration form and mail it in the envelope provided, or bring it to any BC Vital Statistics Agency office. See back cover of this brochure for our office locations and telephone numbers.

 

It then states:
At the same time as you complete the mandatory Registration of Live Birth form, you have the option of ordering a birth certificate for your newborn.



 

Now lets take a very close look at what they are actually saying.

This brochure contains an IMPORTANT form which parents must complete for every baby born in America/British Columbia. – this tells us ONLY the parents can complete it. The government cannot do it on your behalf. They use the word 'must'. Notice they do not use the word 'obligated' or 'obliged'. Must is a very tricky legal word, and when you find out its true meaning in a later bubble is burst, you will see what I mean. Here they use the word 'baby'. They are referring to the human being; blood, flesh and bone vessel of the spirit.


The Registration of Live Birth form is the official Provincial record of the birth and the registration of the child's legal name. - Here they tell you the form is the Provincial record. Not yours. Theirs. They have also now slipped in the word 'child' instead of 'baby'. The reason is, there is no doubt in law what a baby is; there is ambiguity when you start using words like 'child'. The 'child', legally is the 'person'. Notice how also they tell you that you will be creating a 'legal name'. Not a lawful name, but a legal one. There is a big difference between the two, and it is one bubble that will be burst in following chapters.

 

By law, you must register the birth and legal name of your child within 30 days of the birth. Again the word 'must'. And why must you do it within 30 days? What exactly is the penalty for registering late? Notice also the use of the words 'child' and 'legal name'. Naming a child and registering the birth are your important responsibilities because
registration is the only way of creating a permanent legal record of a person's birth. - Now the trap is almost shut.
'Responsibility' refers not to what one is obliged to do, but who is to blame after the fact. Notice here also how they are using not the word 'baby' nor 'child' to describe your offspring, they are using the word 'person' and they may not be describing your offspring at all. They tell you straight out, by using the word 'person', that you will be creating a permanent one. There is no fee to register a baby's birth so long as it is registered within 30 days. – Ah-Ha! Here is why you have to do it within 30 days! To avoid paying a filling fee! Wow so scary! That is why they can get away with using the word must when there are no actual obligations.

 

Next paragraph, we find this:
At the same time as you complete the mandatory Registration of Live Birth form, you have the option of ordering a birth certificate for your newborn. –They also use the term 'mandatory'. Notice what it is referring to; it is referring to the noun not the verb. The action is not mandatory; the form is, if you choose to register. Now we also apparently have some sort of option about ordering a Birth Certificate. Ask yourself this, if you have an option now, what makes you think you didn't have one to begin with? Do you think they have an obligation to tell you what all your options are?

 

Here is the biggest question of all: If what they are selling is such a good thing, why do they use so much obvious deception to get us to buy it?

So this is essentially what is happening. When you register your offspring, you are creating a legal entity, or person, you are associating that person with your offspring and then you are abandoning that entity to the government, who appears to be seizing it under the laws of maritime commerce. This 'person' is in fact chattel property and can and is used for collateral on loans. Your registered baby is in fact a form of pledge and is worth a lot of money. Also, if they ever come for your baby acting under some legislation, it is that chattel property they are acting upon, not your offspring. But because it was all done apparently lawfully and legally, and you maintain the association between that entity and your baby, they have the right to affect your offspring. The Birth Certificate is not just evidence of the birth; it is evidence that you have abandoned the king of documents: the Record of Live Birth. They will not accept a certified and notarized true copy of the original. Nope, they need the original itself.

 

Imagine creating a raincoat for your offspring, the record of creating that raincoat and evidence of ownership you give to your neighbour. He then comes over and claims the right to remove the coat, with your child still in it. That is exactly the legal mechanism they use to remove our offspring.


BIRTH. The act of being born or wholly brought into separate existence. Black's 1st. See Note, and Note at birth record.

 

Note: A man or a woman is "born," straw men are "wholly brought into separate existence." Each event qualifies as a "birth." The birth certificate documents a muddied mixture of the two events that allows the system to both claim that it is "your" birth certificate yet also claim to hold title to (not ownership of) the corporately colored straw man.

 

BIRTH CERTIFICATE. A formal document which certifies as to the date and place of one's birth and a recitation of his or her parentage, as issued by an official in charge of such records. Furnishing of such is often required to prove one's age. Black's 6th. See Note, birth, birth record, document of title, field warehouse receipt, bond.

 

Note: A birth certificate is a negotiable instrument, a registered security, a stock certificate evidencing, or representing, the preferred stock of the corporation and against which you are the surety; it is a pedigree chattel document establishing the existence of your straw man, a distinct artificial person with a fictitious name; it is a document of title to a straw man; it is a warehouse receipt for your body; delivery receipt; industrial bond between you (flesh-and-blood
man or woman) and the industrial society and corporate US Government (artificial person).

 

In Canada, the original birth certificate is generally created at the PROVINCIAL level (in rare instances city level) via birth documents from the hospital (for which the hospital receives $$$ from the PROVINCE for causing the registration of the birth) and passed to the Provincial and Federal levels, and likely elsewhere. Per the definition of "birth" above, the document references both the newborn and the straw man. Certified copies of the birth certificate may be obtained at the Vital Statistics Office. Your birth certificate is one of the kinds of security instruments used by the Government to obtain loans from its creditor, under which it is bankrupt.

 

According to a researcher who worked on a research project for one of the world's largest brokerage houses he discovered that in the year 1936 each American birth certificate was assigned a value of $630,000.00. The investigative journalist's report beginning on page xxiii confirms that (new) birth certificates today carry a value of $1,000,000.00 and that upon notification of the receipt of a new birth certificate at the Ministry of Finance, it takes out a loan for $1-million and purchases a bond, then invests the funds in either the stock market or bond market. The collateral for the loan for the bond issued against the birth certificate is you; i.e. your body, labor, and property. A man in Santa Barbara, California who obtained his original birth certificate from the Department of Commerce some years ago via a Freedom of Information Act request reported the endorsements of 17 different foreign countries thereon. There may also be other types of birth documents used by the Government, or others, to obtain loans/credit.

 

BIRTH RECORD. Official statistical data concerning dates and places of persons' birth, as well as parentage, kept by local government officials. Black's 1st. See Note, birth certificate.

 

Note: Under "birth certificate" the definition refers to "one's birth," and under "birth record" the definition refers to "persons' birth." "One" means flesh-and-blood man or woman; "person" means artificial or juristic person. See individual.


Posted on: March 09, 2009, 11:21:20 AM
http://www.thinkfree.ca/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1&Itemid=32

For those interested go here and register, dont worry it's free, then you can go to the library and learn all kinds of useful and very interesting things, also go to the videos section and watch some videos to get a better understanding of what is going on, well worth your time.
Posted on: March 09, 2009, 11:29:00 AM
Read this letter then pull out your drivers license, phone bill, parking tickets or anything else sent by the Government and you will see your name in CAPITAL LETTERS....this is the created PERSON in which they created to enslave you under...you are not A person...you HAVE a person and this person is the carbon copy you in which they created without your consent and it is how they tax you, force your compliance, arrest you on there statutory rules, etc, etc. You are 2 people, 1st is the real HUMAN you, born from God and having a soul....2nd you is a fake person created when you were born to be a subject (slave) to pay off a DEBT created by the international banking families, made to comply with there rules (statutes) under penalty of jail time, forced by the trick of CONSENT to pay back there falsely created debt by there bankrupt corporation (United States/Britain). These Banking families control the people through 3 different nations within nations..these are actual nations controlled by them...Vatican City, City of London and District of Columbia (D.C.)



Edward Mandell House was instrumental in getting Woodrow Wilson elected as President.  Edward had the support of William Jennings Bryan and the financial backing of the House of Rockefeller's National City Bank.  Edward became Wilson's closest unofficial advisor.

 Edward Mandell House and some of his schoolmates were also members of Cecil Rhodes Round Table group.  The Round Table Group, the back bone of the Secret Society, had four pet projects, a graduated income tax, a central bank, creation of a Central Intelligence Agency, and the League of Nations.

 Between 1901 and 1913 the House of Morgan and the House of Rockefeller formed close alliances with the Dukes and the Mellons. This group consolidated their power and came to dominate other Wall Street powers including: Carnegie, Whitney, Vanderbilt, Brown-Harriman, and Dillon-Reed. The Round Table Group wanted to control the people by having the government tax people and deposit the peoples money in a central bank. The Group would take control of the bank and therefore have control of the money. The Group would take control of the State Department and formulate government policy, which would determine how the money was spent. The Group would control the CIA which would gather information about people, and script and produce psycho-political operations focused at the people to influence them to act in accord with Round Table Group State Department policy decisions. The Group would work to consolidate all the nations of the world into a single nation, with a single central bank under their control, and a single International Security System.  Some of the first legislation of the Wilson Administration was the institution of the graduated income tax (1913) and the creation of a central bank called the Federal Reserve.  An inheritance tax was also instituted. These tax laws were used to rationalize the need for legislation that allowed the establishment of tax-exempt foundations.  The tax-exempt foundations became the link between the Groupmember's private corporations and the University system. The Group would control the Universities by controlling the sources of their funding. The funding was money sheltered from taxes being channeled in ways which would help achieve Round Table Group aims.

 

Edward Mandell House had this to say in a private meeting with President Woodrow Wilson:

 

“[Very] soon, every American will be required to register their biological property in a national system designed to keep track of the people and that will operate under the ancient system of pledging.  By such methodology, we can compel people to submit to our agenda, which will effect our security as a chargeback for our fiat paper currency. Every American will be forced to register or suffer being unable to work and earn a living. They will be our chattel, and we will hold the security interest over them forever, by operation of the law merchant under the scheme of secured transactions. 

Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of lading to us will be rendered bankrupt and insolvent,   forever to remain economic slaves through taxation, secured by their pledges. They will be stripped of their rights and given a commercial value designed to make us a profit and they will be none the wiser, for not one man in a million could ever figure our plans and, if by accident one or two should figure it out, we have in our arsenal plausible deniability. After all, this is the only logical way to fund government, by floating liens and debt to the registrants in the form of benefits and privileges. This will inevitably reap to us huge profits beyond our wildest expectations and leave every American a contributor to this fraud which we will call  “Social Insurance.” Without realizing it, every American will insure us for any loss we may incur and in this manner, every American will unknowingly be our servant, however begrudgingly. The people will become helpless and without any hope for their redemption and, we will employ the high office of the President of our dummy corporation to foment this plot against America.”
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Re: How about this!
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2009, 02:00:20 PM »

Yes Human,

I respect your response, it this kind of submission which is conducive to reasoning! Even though I might not share the fullness of your viewpoint. I respect the way you have submitted them! You certainly have given plenty of food for thought -Keep raining them down!

I would like to clarify one thing - I am not inna the bitching for the sake of argument or to cover/distort another's view point. But when you read some of the views that have been submitted that have no substance or reasoning other than to just chant people down. Then I have to touch on the points that the posters have either omitted or distorted!

I agree (and have posted elsewhere) that no one really knows (even though I feel there is a group who have access to knowledge, that is not open to the rest of us)! Which neatly fits into what I feel that you are saying when you talk about control! I can certainly relate to the reasoning about how they manipulate us from birth - with the illusion of debt (true sound). Instead of the earth being a ideal place to manifest on one aspect (or stage of the journey) and experience a physical ideal. We are caged in a prison where the ideals of materialism have been developed to  into the sophisticated and at the same time brutal prison where we live!

The doctrine of them who control (or seek to control) is so ingrained that to free your mind - To stand up and say No to the system makes on a an insurgent! So when I say burn Rome I do not have an individual in mind rather I am referring to the system!

The main problem with the indoctrination is that right now, nobody knows god!! 

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Re: How about this!
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2009, 03:20:57 PM »

Thanks for the response Knowledge, i will post more real soon.

"I would like to clarify one thing - I am not inna the bitching for the sake of argument or to cover/distort another's view point. But when you read some of the views that have been submitted that have no substance or reasoning other than to just chant people down. Then I have to touch on the points that the posters have either omitted or distorted! "

No need for clarification Knowledge, i understand and was the same way for awhile on here, you just go round and round and post after post, you know what you know and that is all that is needed on a public forum, some like the one you go back and forth enjoy the merry go round business, it is all they know and nothing more and it takes only a post or two to figure it out. I agree as well there are a few who have access to certain info not readily available to others, but, after going back and forth on here on subjects which for me i have passed up a long time ago i decided to see if people would like to reason about things that affect us all and they can come away with a better understanding of what is taking place in the world instead of what ? took place supposedly thousands of years ago. Some such as those who have repsonded are interested and others not which is fine, i just feel this forum could be more than what it currently is or has become is more like it, thanks bredrin and have a great day.
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« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2009, 01:00:20 PM »

Greetings Human,

Just want to say respect for the reasoning -It's good when one can bring food (for thought) to the table, and we can all eat,
bearing in mind that the poverty of the poor is indeed the rich mans feast!

Keep up the vibes

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