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Tupac Shakur
« on: January 15, 2005, 03:35:10 AM »

some man have no time for hip hop or rap they say its all bout guns hoes n drugs how wrong you could be one of the most hated artists 2pac not only wrote about the above topics he spoke on oppression.police brutality.family life.the system and so much more if you doubt check out such songs as dear mama / trapped/brenda/changes/panther power  along with rapping pac also wrte poems here are 2 of my favorites let me know what you think


please wake me when im free
i cannot bear captivity
where my culture im told holds no significance
ill wither and die in ignorance
but my inner ear can c a race
who reigned as kings in another place
the green of trees were rich and fulll
and every man spoke of beautiful
man and woman together as equals
war was gone becouse all was peaceful
but now like a nightmare i wake to c
that i live like a prisoner of poverty
please wake me when im free
i cannot bare captivity
4 1would rather be stricken blind
than 2 live without expression of mind

where there is a will
there is a way
2 search and discover
a better day

where a positive heart
is all u need
2 rise beyond
and succeed

where young minds grow
and respect each other
based on their deeds
and not their color

when times r dim
say as i say
where there is a will
there is a way




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Re: Tupac Shakur
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2005, 12:01:23 PM »

was it good ive been meaning to see it i never becouse a lot of his other docs
and post human albums arent upto par with what he did himself when with us i think hes getting pimped by thease compaies and record labels in the same way bob marley / john lennon /elvis are there using them as a franchise to get rich
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Re: Tupac Shakur
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2005, 06:03:37 PM »

E . M. Hotep !!!

Tupac   wll take care of that , do not worry.

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Re: Tupac Shakur
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2005, 03:06:55 AM »

Yeah, it was good I thought. I couldnt help feel sorry for Tupac though. His mouth seemed to get him into a lot of trouble, any young black guy can relate, I think. I still Biggie was the better rapper though!

Word, Tupac's greatest asset seemed his most dangerous liability.

Interesting comparing the 2 Brooklyn rap legends.  I think Biggie was the better lyricist....I think his rhymes are unsurpassed to this day.  Which was the better all around performer...hmmmm, still a toss up in my eyes.
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Re: Tupac Shakur
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2005, 04:54:58 PM »

Without Pac there would be no Biggie....

This is what I man say.
And to I, Tupacs lyrics are far much better because Tupac confronted Babylon head on. He spoke out against Babylon so, he was not just making "money music" (commercial), he had something to say. He spoke out on poverty, child abuse, racsism, police brutality, etc.,etc.,.

And, besides, what I man dig a lot about Pac, Tupac praise Jah on most of his songs - did Biggie too ?
Tupac stood up for something, he was not just rapping to make money...
And again I say "This is how I sight it" - righteousness first !

If there were to be a "King of Rap" then, for I, it would be TUPAC AMARU SHAKUR.
Big-up for one of the greatest rappers in I time !

Now let I say, before I man finish - I have nothing against Biggie (I even dig some of his music) but, he was not "The Realest" and his lyrics may have been "good" but, they were not "the best."

Revolutionary music for Revolutionaries and play/party music for those who wanna play/party.

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Re: Tupac Shakur
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2005, 09:12:27 PM »

Hey...i have nothing against no Nigger.Pac was d greatest....who is Biggie?
Man overruled...................Tupac is the Icon of true Rap Music..........

do u know these facts about him?

Tupac's given name was Lesane Crooks. He was the son of Afeni Shakur (government name Alice Fay Walker) who was one of the defendants at the Panther 21 trial.

Tupac studied drama at Baltimore's School For The Arts, where he rapped under the name MC New York.

Tupac Amaru Shakur was named after an Inca Indian chief, "Tupac Amaru" means "Shining serpent" and "Shakur" means "thankful to god" in Arabic.

When Tupac was 12 years old, his mother enrolled him in Harlems 127thSt Ensemble. He played Travis in "A Raisin in The Sun" in his first acting role.

Tupac said the individual letters in his THUG LIFE tattoo stood for "The Hate U Give Little Infants F-ck Everybody"

Tupac said that because of his moms ties with the Black Panthers, the FBI was always after him and his family

Tupac has a huge cross on his back that says Exodus 18:11 a reference to where the bible says "Now I know That the Lord is Greater Than All Gods because he delivered the people from the hands of the Egyptians when they dealt with them arrogantly."

Tupac was first inspired to rap when a friend of his was killed while he was playing with a gun. His first rap was about gun control.

All good niggers, all the niggers who change the world, die in violence. They don't die in regular ways." Tupac Shakur in Details magazine interview, spring 1996.

Do u guys know dat Biggie and Pac were real Pals ever2b but what changed the Palship?....................Listen////////

This all began in 1994 when Pac was shot in New York. He blamed Biggie and Bad Boy for setting him up. Before this happened 2Pac and Biggie were tight. Before Biggie was famous 2Pac used to let Biggie rap with him at concerts and gave Biggie the start that he needed in the rap game. About a week before Pac was shot Biggie said that the company he was hangin' with aren't cool. These guys were King Tut and Jacques Agnant who were members of the Black Mafia which supposedly financed Bad Boy. Even Mike Tyson phoned up Pac and said they were bad news. Biggie and Pac were meant to talk later but this never happened and the next time 2Pac saw Biggie it was when he got shot. When 2Pac was in jail people were sayin' to him how it was Biggie's home boy who got him shot and Pac also released this. By this time he was very pissed off and also why he was in jail Biggie copied came out wit' an album which was completely like Pac's so he had to change his. 2Pac never actually said Biggie was responsible for the shooting. He was also pissed off how Biggie was rapping about him money, jewelry and the parties while Biggie didn't have any of this. 2Pac said that Biggie was rapping about his life which in my opinion he was he was also pisses because Biggie was his best friend and he turned on him. 2Pac also claimed to have had sex with Biggie's wife Faith Evans. Faith has denied this.

After Tupac's death there were rumors that Biggie wanted to do a song called "Dig Him Up" dissing Pac by saying that if people really thought Tupac was alive they should dig him up.

Pals....................without Pac...none like Biggie.


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Re: Tupac Shakur
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2005, 02:55:18 AM »

Me and 2pac have common ancestors. His father mr. crooks was born in the same county(westmoreland) and town( sav-la-mar )  as my father  in jamaica. And they have the same last name! Crooks , Which i will add is not a very common name in jamaica. So if you go back far enough we are distantly blood relatives (great grandfathers ) or we had the same slave owners. I consider 2pac as the best rapper ever.
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Re: Tupac Shakur
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2005, 03:49:20 AM »

imo u-roy is the best rapper !, then i like i-roy and dennis alcapone and the rest of the gang.

dont forget the origin of rapping aka toasting.


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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2005, 05:20:17 PM »

Yeah I like Pac, but do you think overall he was sending out a good message? The majority of his songs were not positive.

HEYYYY!  Got some static for some niggaz on the other side of
Let my little cousin K roll, he's a rider now
What they want from us motherf**kin thug niggaz?
Used to love niggaz now I plug niggaz, and slug niggaz
Am I wrong?  Niggaz makin songs, tryin to get with us
Must be gone on stress weed, in the West we trust
To the chest I BUST!  Then we ride 'til the sun come
shinin back to brighten up the sky, many die
Heard the Fugees was tryin to do me - look bitch!
I cut yo' face, this ain't no motherf**kin movie
THEN!  We watch the other two die slow
Castrated entertainin at my motherf**kin sideshow
BAM!  Set my plan in mo', time to exterminate my foes
I can't stand you hoes, uhh
Now label this my f**kin trick shot
My lyrics runnin all you cowards out of hip-hop
When we RIDE - on our enemies

When we ride on our enemies
I bet you motherf**kers die, when we ride, on our enemies
When we ride on our enemies
Bet all you motherf**kers die, when we ride, on our enemies

[Verse Two]
Come take a journey through my mind's eye
You crossed the game, don't explain, nigga time to die, say
Watch my eyes when I pull the trigger
So right before you die you bow before a bigga nigga, now dry
yo' eyes
You was HEARTLESS on yo' hits
Niggaz love to scream peace after they start some shit - pay
Here's a word to those that robbed me
I murder you then I, run a train on Mobb Deep! Don't f**k with
Nigga you're barely livin, don't you got sickle cell?
See me have a seizure on stage, you ain't feelin well, hell
How many niggaz wanna be involved?
See I was only talkin to Biggie, but I'll kill allay'all, then
Then tell Da Brat to keep her mouth closed
F**k around and get tossed up, by the f**kin Outlawz
Before I leave, make sure everybody HEARD
When we ride on our enemies

When we ride on our enemies
Make sure everybody die, when we ride, on our enemies
When we ride on our enemies, hehe
I make sure everybody die, when we ride, on our enemies

Lots of negativity. Pac never killed anyone, why rap about killing people?


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Re: Tupac Shakur
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2005, 08:27:03 PM »

Dear M-Dub

I think those lyrics could make me cry. That dude is lost, & in dire need of salvation. That dude sounds like he needs somebody to love him, as we all do.

It's too sad for me to continue - because now the youth are digging this lifestyle, & pac was promoting it through music & rapping (urban poetry). Now he's dead!




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Re: Tupac Shakur
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2005, 10:04:18 PM »

What about artistic freedom? Tupac wrote about the way of life he knew. Think the words give ya the same feeling that he must have had his whole life, surrounded by hatred in a though world.
I worked in Sri Lanka post Tsunami & brought back a lot of drawings of children that suffer(ed) from Tsunami.
The drawings are many time very dark, only about dead & destruction. But that not mean that these children no laugh or play anymore. They expressed their feelings towards the memory of 26-12, hopefully maybe even deal with it a little.
So, give the man some credit, he was a great artist, that could touch your soul with his music.


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Re: Tupac Shakur
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2005, 01:33:40 PM »

Dear Leopardwoman

My eyes have filled up having read what you have written about the experiences that you've shared with those children who were involved in this immense disaster. I cannot comprehend the depth of pain & loss that they have suffered. Not just them, as there are many who have suffered the effects of this. I thank God that people like yourself are willing to voluntarily share in this pain.

I would like you to understand that I do not judge Tupac, I have no right to do such a thing. I empathise with him, for we live in a bitter world.

Of course, I am aware of the profound complexities that contribute to the way humans react to their environment & their experience of that environment. Being an artist myself, I also understand that the outpouring of these experiences is mostly genuine & justified. Art is the expression of human emotion, it’s a manifestation of the heart & mind of man – surely nobody can put a price on this & selling it is an insult to oneself – that’s the way I see it anyhow, maybe I look at it too deeply?

Those children’s drawings are true reflections of their feelings & manifestations of their nightmares – to draw or write about that is indeed therapeutic, & justified without a doubt in my mind.

The problem that I have with many 'Gangsta rap' artists is that their lyrics breed & extend the violence that they speak of. I have also heard very disrespectful sexual lyrics from rap artists. These are highly negative & the audience which these artists target & attract are mainly young boys with lots to prove & much testosterone. They cling to these rap icons & aspire to their lifestyle. They laugh at sexual abuse & killing, & believe it to be an image of respect. They know it sells, & so it becomes more explicit & gratuitous. If they produce them for sales, or as a direct message or threat to other gangs then this is surely exploiting art. The circulation & escalation is endless. It penetrates the minds of the vulnerable with negative vibes.

What this amounts to, pretty much, is exploitation! Its basis is often money, power & fame. All involved could claim exploitation, it’s true – the artists & the buyers. Knowing the impact of art & the fact that it emanates from deep feelings, one should be aware that it will arouse others, & should be responsible for that, because this stuff goes out over the airwaves reaching vast areas. Music is an extremely (if not the most)  powerful medium. If positive solutions were offered, instead of the escalation of violence, & descriptions of how one can kill a brother or rape a sister, then yes, I would bear the darkness for hope of the light.

True poetry is an outlet, it's an observation, sharing something of one's soul, this is often the case with 'Gangsta Rap', but unfortunately & increasingly - it's not!

It’s a deep problem, & I will concede that violence is, unfortunately a part of humanity’s existence. It’s not just rappers, but in the context of this post, I respond to this particular group. To condone it, however is a road to the destruction of trust, & all that is righteous.

I hope you can see my point of view.

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Re: Tupac Shakur
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2005, 03:27:02 PM »

Dear Oo.oO,
U are right about the way u look at it. Only to me all this violent crap that is rapped is so exxagerated, i cannot comprehend anyone wanting to live up to this. So, I see it as an expression of all the violence that many have encountered themselves and also I find it ridiculized by rap.
I am sorry if some youth is too stupid to understand this & take everything serious.
U see I know myself that if u come from agressive surroundings (also parents) u feel at home with an agressive person. Crazy feeling that u have to understand & then immedialtely get rid of. But, since our experience partly makes our personality, I still need agression in my life one way or another.
Scream with Busta Rhymes while driving in my car is my favorite.
Make jokes about coyoto-ugly biatchs does not at all give away how I think about these things.
Maybe, u will say I need to find a different way to get loose of these feelings.
Then in Sri Lanka, everybody was so numb, let some of these ethno-centric, neocolonists boss them around so I sang Bob Marley to them :until the philosophy that oll men race superior than another inferior ............WAR.
Ofcourse in that time we all needed our shakti (sinhalese for energy) for the people at the southcoast, suffering very badly.
Then while my mangofriends & me were only helping, some people were just working against us, spoiling fooddeliveries, being jealous cause we were succesfull in our task.
It's a very long & intensive story, but people are indeed very bad. In situations like this when u should put the people central there are people thinking it is their last claim fo fame, put themself central & therefor make wrong decisions.
Anyway, back to agression, if u are so emotional, like I was after tsunami, meeting people that tell u about their babys taken by the water, u cry every night. And when someone want to hold u back when u are helping, u just feel like killing him. Only 1 added to 40.000, i was thinking.
Best thing then, was to scream & sing my agression away. Rap can work in a positive way here.
One of the projects I did with money my sister send me is Tsunami relief musicproject. Just a ghettoblaster, cd's, some lights, a microphone for teenagers that live in a school with their family.
This will be real rap, not the overcommercialised crap some sing.
These are my personal experience with it in a positive way.
I have two teenage daughters (15 & 16) & work with youngsters in social work.
Until now, only the ones that were allready agressive use the rapculture as an excuse to do whatever they like. All the others (boys & girls from 10 to 18) like the rapstyle-clothing & music, but still have normal behaviour & also have  conscience.
Ofcourse I talk about children that have a reasonable good live in Holland (they come from Africa, mostly), being provided with housing, food, clothes, pocketmoney & their own mentor. In different circumstances, I think u are probably right, this rap fucks up the head of some youngsters.
Anyway, thanx for ur reply on the tsunamivictims. My eyes still fill up & people in Holland seem to be allready bored by Tsunami. Such a cold world, even my daughters whom I raised differently are only about themselves.




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Re: Tupac Shakur
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2005, 04:15:11 AM »

The only thing is Biggy didnt write his own rhymes,but Pac did.


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Re: Tupac Shakur
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2005, 03:53:15 PM »

ii wy em Hotep !!!

member RasRossi =  Nice   thread ,  great words......Idren did not speak of Tupacs  faith.....look at pix  of Tupac.....Idrens will see what faith  he  has....I say has  cause  da word been on da street dat  Tupac  with InI  still.....back to his faith...look at jewelry  hangin on him in pix....does any  Idren have dis know ledge ?

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